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dark crag
lethal heart
meh idk
spice surge
That's not true lol
dark crag
Best cd ingame is shadowblades 
spice surge
I mean... Its up there if you're running ds
cerulean junco
There is talk about food buffs being released that will give ability to debuff
lethal heart
outlaw is pretty potent on forti weeks
because on high forti weeks you get 2x uses of ar
whereas you dont get 2 uses of vendetta usually
stuck knoll
Yeah but that's more cuz Vendetta is a cd while AR is more like a hybrid of rotation and cd
lethal heart
true
spice surge
Ar is a consolation cd
lethal heart
but then vendetta is purely ST cd
stuck knoll
Yeah
lethal heart
idk assa doesnt make sense to me
literally most broken and most underwhelming spec
at the same time
smh
stuck knoll
My RL at the start of the tier but our dh in last group for mother over our sin rogue
So he just had to sit there and never got a chance to use vendetta ever
dark crag
So the assa was supposed to do adds?
I joined a new guild and they did mother with crossing in small grps
stuck knoll
Yeah assa on adds
It was funny at first but then I told him to put the poor guy in last over the dh
stuck knoll
Kidney > chaos nova ez
prime stirrup
Im getting flash backs to mother prog and being in first group over as sin rogue
lost sentinel
Its easy as sin since u can vanish and silence
I never did small groups on mythic tho
prime stirrup
no one said anything about it being easy or hard. Just that its a massive waste of resources to put a sin rogue on adds. We take a large number of GCD's to ramp up dmg and actually be effective. In that time the adds should be dead. So while yes you can waste vanish to apply garrote/iron wire to a couple adds its not the optimal play
stuck knoll
Also we for some reason did 15 ppl at once and then 30 seconds later the rest came through
Sin vs 15 adds isn't great
In burst aoe anyway
fresh coyote
Worth going double double dose on high tyrannical kings rest? 16+ keys
rose perch
It's not bad in there but given the option I'd prefer SS to DD for the extra utility in all the 3-pulls in that place
prime stirrup
dratnos. linking your routes is cancer, chill on all the text boxes hahaha
rose perch
Just clear all drawings before sharing in game if you need them to share faster!
hearty oriole
Can someone explain why shrouded suffocation is showing such low sims on bloodmallet and other sites, like literally bottom of the list, but all the top rogues seem to be using one trait of it?
vestal wren
most fights are not patchwork
brisk frost
its not the best trink for 100% single but if you can stealth garrote 2 enemies for even once it becomes the best
trait***
spice surge
Because bloodmallet uses master assassin and not subterfuge for st
As that Sims higher on st
hearty oriole
I see, thanks for the info.
elder gulch
does anyone know if we shoudl wait to kill the darkshor world boss on tuesday?
rose perch
No the ilvl in darkshore will go up with the next cycle so it's safe to kill now
dark crag
Thats the reason it will update with the next cycle
rigid sonnet
do I get increased energy regen from enemies with crimson tempest and deadly poison on them or does it have to be rupture/garrote
rose perch
Rupture, Garrote, and actually Internal Bleeding as well, but not CT unfortunately
distant halo
Can you imagine if CT did? Drop all haste, stack as much crit as possible, go into a pack, CT, get infinite haste, win in overall all the time
safe matrix
I mean you dont get haste, you get infinite energy regen
infinite haste would mean your bleeds tick faster too
zenith gust
guys, has it ever happened to you like... mutilate and envenom miss ?
because sometimes i mutilate, but it doesnt generate CPs, but i even hear the game sound of the ability... its so wierd. same with envenom, sometimes i envenom and hear the sound the ability makes, but no CPs are spent.
its freaking me out
i just rerrolled from sub and that had never happened to me on any other char/spec
maybe just boralus lag?
quick ice
Parried?
runic oyster
Hey guys I have forgotten how to sim M+ could someone help me out?
quick ice
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
runic oyster
Thank you
zenith gust
@quick ice parried by the trainning dummy? didn't know that
quick ice
I think if you're in front of it it still parries? I'd check your DPS meter.
zenith gust
mmm i dunnno how to check for parried attacks on details
yeah, in the the combat registry doesnt say it was parried, but it says it missed
shit, didnt know that
i though my UI or lag was fking with me
thx mate, this was really freaking me out
sure it didnt happen in subtetly, since shadowstrike teleports em to the dummy's back...
thx!
pastel vault
is there any min maxing with the envenom buff ? or only elaborate planning
I feel like I could play a lot better on asa even though I know the basics, not sure why my damage seems a bit low
rose perch
The main way to get more globals in with EP and in the envenom window is to avoid envenoming at low energy except in vendetta/TB - if you just focus on doing that you'll naturally do almost all of the work to optimize it
glad ferry
Does anyone have the poison bomb rick and morty meme
spare flame
Does anyone know how/if well benefit from the new raid trinket that inflicts the bleed?
lost horizon
Trinket sims are up on herodamage
ripe nimbus
so basically the raid trinkets are all kinda doo doo
upsetting
least the razorclaw is good for outlaw.
ripe nimbus
rip.
guess having raid trinkets be good is a thing of the past.
gotta farm those M+ over and over
for same gear
spice surge
Or arena yeah
ripe nimbus
Also whats with them not making AoE trinkets anymore.
spice surge
PTSD from glaives probably
nimble tartan
glaives was so cool
ripe nimbus
they already gutted trinkets from not being able to benefit from any ability.....
they dont need to have PTSD.
im pretty sure they dont want raid trinkets to be good, so people do M+ over and over to TF = More playtime.
lost horizon
Moonglaives were sick
silver quiver
I'm assuming because the rotation in ravenholt says vendetta after the rupture, that spell doesn't snapshot, how does the DOT'ing work with this spec? Trying it out.
ripe nimbus
it just increases the damage during vendetta
rose perch
Yeah the only things that "snapshot" are Subterfuge, Shrouded Suffocation, and Exsanguinate, so don't refresh those bleeds early
other than that they check damage based on your stats/buffs at the time of the tick
silver quiver
Okay. Thanks, I'll check it out. I think two of those are azerite pieces? Because i'm still @ level 112
traits* I mean.
fringe narwhal
two are talents
rose perch
Subterfuge and Exsanguinate are talents so if you aren't specced those you don't have to worry, and Shrouded Suffocation is azerite yeah
fringe narwhal
SS is a trait
silver quiver
Ah yeah I'm working subterfuge and the poison ability
although I like the concept of exsanguinate, I'm trying to reduce the difficulty until I up my class mastery
rose perch
yeah great idea - exsanguinate is never that much better and often is worse, and it's way harder to play
ok so yeah the only thing you need to worry about with your bleeds is that if you refresh a subterfuge'd garrote early you'll lose some damage from a few ticks
silver quiver
I like the idea of making the bleeds tick real fast by shoving the blade in ๐
Right. But I mean you only really get 1 sub garrote
and then as many times as you can vanish throughout the fight
right?
ripe nimbus
3 sub garrotes read the ability again
rose perch
yeah you can get more on more targets but without Shrouded Suffocation you'll only do one per stealth and one per vanish
on single target
rose perch
good luck!
silver quiver
Can I use Hidden Blades while leveling? Seems good.
ripe nimbus
u can, doesnt matter really.
lone junco
@silver quiver any solo stuff would be best off with garrote trait. you restealth. kill 1-3 at a time. repeat. fok isnt any good until you can pull a ton, and have high crit.
wait is that the fok talent.
meh. zzz
afk a week.
slow mortar
Can you re-stealth before reaping mobs get to you?
rose perch
if you're in the middle of a pack and they spawn before you're done with the pack you'll be in combat with them, but if you trigger the wave and aren't in combat with anything anymore you can I believe
fringe narwhal
well I think it would be a very slight timing. Cause the things you just kill would be included. It depends how long it takes for the closest one to aggro the group
brave gyro
Yo guys. I've been on almost a month holiday break. How are we looking for the raid next week? Anything I should look up / shift around? How are specs looking?
fringe narwhal
Does any spec deal with high level orbs the best? or are they all about as efficient in dealing with them?
rose perch
Explosive orbs? Sin is definitely the worst at it
outlaw is great for it, sub can kill them too but dumps a lot of extra damage into it
jaunty crystal
sin feels like ass on explosive ๐ฆ
outlaw is my favorite because you will generally have blade flurry up so you're still doing dmg elsewhere.
shy escarp
With my group comp I would always end up having to kill orbs anyway, so might as well be Outlaw
jaunty crystal
yea. I don't mind sin if we got another good orb killer (dh, etc) but if I'm pugging you can never really assume people will kill orbs lol
Ifyou're the only one doing it you are just going to be pumping envenoms into orbs each pull
shy escarp
I usually run with a UH DK and a Ret Paladin, because ranged DPS don't exist
and out of those, even as Sin I'd lose the least damage killing orbs, but I'd rather just be Outlaw and abuse blade flurry
hallow walrus
Is it correct that Rupture's dps is the same no matter how many CP i use?
fringe narwhal
ya
hallow walrus
so for leveling/very short living enemies, a 1 CP rupture is totally fine
fringe narwhal
possibly. Idk leveling I did sub
old oak
In general, I'd prefer to get a huge energy refund from such mobs so I'd probably use a 4-5 rupture regardless
winter gale
Guys my guild is currently progressing Ghuun, we are about to kill it tonight, we had 3,4 0% wipes so I guess he is down tonight. I am very low on dps thought and If I can say I am usually much better in dps than in mechs :D. Would some of u with Ghuun kill mind to tell me how to optimise my dps as much as I can. I am not even sure when to use my cds, on 2 lights or on last 20%. I am using 2 gutrippers too to have more dmg on execute phase. I finish pulls mostly like in last 3 spots with 14/15k more or less. Pls help, any tip will mean alot ๐
Im running orbs 3+8 if that means something ๐
manic cairn
Hey guys, ive got some problems with my rog....i have an 368GS...but my damage is so bad i only do 11k on boss...i dont know what i should do better
got Haste: 18%
winter gale
@manic cairn Look up there at pins in right corner. there is a guide for rogues with all openers and things. Its really good.
manic cairn
i looked it already up^^..
winter gale
Guys my guild is currently progressing Ghuun, we are about to kill it tonight, we had 3,4 0% wipes so I guess he is down tonight. I am very low on dps thought and If I can say I am usually much better in dps than in mechs :D. Would some of u with Ghuun kill mind to tell me how to optimise my dps as much as I can. I am not even sure when to use my cds, on 2 lights or on last 20%. I am using 2 gutrippers too to have more dmg on execute phase. I finish pulls mostly like in last 3 spots with 14/15k more or less. Pls help, any tip will mean alot ๐
Im running orbs 3+8 if that means something ๐
rose perch
@winter gale how is your phase 3 damage? That's the most important thing - it's rare that your dps in the earlier phases really matters much. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9qVwLjt3RDnWTzHm#fight=1&type=damage-done This is my progression kill of G'huun - I was also running orbs 3 and 8, which I think are going to lower your overall damage by the most, and my gear was optimized for phase 3 damage,
winter gale
@rose perch Thank you. U save ur Vendetta for those last 20% in phase 3? And one before u use on Light Beam no1 ?
I didnt save it for last 20% all the times, that was my mistake.
rose perch
Yes vendetta is a really annoying cooldown on that fight - I used one on pull, one on the first horror, and then i saved my third and final vendetta for the start of the last phase
your guild might be different but for ours we were never in danger of failing to push the boss to 20% in that light beam
so any extra damage you do to G'huun in phase 2 is wasted
any cooldowns you can save for phase 3 should be saved
winter gale
We dont, we also push it easily. I mean rn everyone is overgeared and its easy to push. I will save everything for it.
Its the only part that matters.
rose perch
yeah that's how i think about it as well
winter gale
Thank you once again for ur help ๐
rose perch
phases 1 and 2 are executing the orb runs and not dying, phase 3 is where all the numbers actually matter
np good luck!
winter gale
Thanks !
dusty wigeon
Anybody know whether we should be using bursting blood or agil pots for BoD?
spice surge
Agi pots as usual
edgy pawn
anyone got any idea on how to fight against the training dummy so that i dont "end" the fight when i use vanish?
spice surge
Set your details to overall and reset before
whole ether
Prob been asked alot, but when am i gonna use toxic blade and when Exsanguinate
near current
When it sims better
whole ether
hmm well then im gonna sim it, thanks
solid nova
!ct
prisma monolithBOT
There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.
carmine valve
OK thank you
ebon pollen
Hey guys. I am relatively new here. Sorry for silly question but where can I find what all those SS, SoD, BoD, TB, CT, PB etc. mean? Are there commands that explain shortcuts?
carmine valve
theres outlaw and sub versions too
not in that link, but just replace assassination in the URL with Outlaw or Subtlety
shadow gyro
Sure this has been asked a lot so feel free to summarize:
As for what spec for BoD (I'm striving for top-level play, so answers based on that are appreciated instead of go for fun gameplay):
I'm doing mythic progression with my guild for the sake of gearing for high keys (would LOVE to hit 18+ this season). I love all three specs, but with reaping, I'm guessing combat will be very, very strong for M+. I currently play Sin and I think it's very strong, but just curious on what you guys would choose for progression even if it's only to do high keys (I.e. I want to try and focus one spec for the best gear traits as possible since gearing two specs may be hard).
vestal wren
play sin for bod, its the savest choice.
shadow gyro
Think it will do a good job keeping up on blasting reaping?
vestal wren
also a tip, keep your questions short. ppl dont like to read a lot
solid nova
If you're striving for top level play, you should expect to be comfortable with all 3 specs as they each have their niche.
vestal wren
yes for m+ you sould def. play all 3
for raid you can easy get away with only playing sin, blizz does a horrible job in balancing and sin is almost always the best spec out of the 3 besides it beeing an obviouse good choice for progression due to design
shadow gyro
I want to play all three for sure, but figured focusing one for the first few weeks would be strong.
vestal wren
(this does not mean you should not know the basics of sub/outlaw in case there is a edge case where 1 of those is needed e.g. zul)
shadow gyro
Awesome, thanks for the answers. I think I have the same amount of time in all specs (haven't been playing a rogue that long, though).
For raid, I'll focus on Sin, but I'll swap if a fight would be a better niche for another.
For keys, I'll figure out what dungeon with what affixes are best for each spec.
Just as a GENERAL idea, would you say these are true:
Assassin: strong single-target, good for fights with breaks off of target, middle of the road AOE with dmg on a strong single target, very high sustained AOE on longer trash pulls (fortified)
Combat: Strongest burst AOE, bit RNG-based, not primarily for single-target
Sub: strong single-target while AOE'ing, great single-target burst, weakest AOE
Just want to get the basics straight.
The was another long post... I prefer one instead of 5 different messages. Wanted to summarize for any readers.
vestal wren
outlaw has the strong burst aoe, sub's aoe is not that good
civic palm
takes notes
vestal wren
subs main strengh is the aoe-> st
@civic palm if you have a diffrent opinion feel free to contribute to the discussion
shadow gyro
I'm going to edit my post above with fixes.
civic palm
Seems fine.
shadow gyro
@vestal wren just to clarify, are -> st means strong single-target while AOE'ING?
AOE* not are
vestal wren
yes sub does a very good job in priority target damage with many targets up
thats why its used for zul
sturdy python
Sin has strong sustained aoe so middle of the road isn't really accurate either
shadow gyro
I want to be top 3 on my realm (Hyjal), CE, and hopefully pushing keys higher than 18.
I set goals for everything, or I get bored.
vestal wren
EB is also nice in aoe ๐
strange python
top 3 in all star points?
sturdy python
Probably io
shadow gyro
Io
carmine valve
I was also looking for "one spec to rule them all" I even consider going Havoc DH cause I frankly dont have time and motivation to keep up with 2 or even 3 specs to do Raids, M+ and PvP. But as far as I see. Sin is safest, easiest and best choice for all content. I can see Outlaw and Sub be good only in very spesific niche ways
shadow gyro
@sturdy python if it's sustained, it would require a longer aoe fight, which isn't that commom, yeah?
sturdy python
It's pretty common if you're pushing high keys
shadow gyro
@gusty kestrel US
sturdy python
Fortified is a thing
civic palm
Yeah high keys are all sustained.
sturdy python
You're not gonna burst down an 8 mob pack in a 20
shadow gyro
@carmine valve thanks! I like that answer! I miss my DH ๐
shadow gyro
@sturdy python ah, forgot to consider non-boss affixes. Will edit my post
carmine valve
I cant play outlaw as long as they got GCD on Blade flurry, I never manage to activate it
civic palm
o _O
shadow gyro
@sturdy python shows my lack of experience, huh ๐
sturdy python
All good, learning is good
civic palm
Sinister Strike GCD is too much to get around, play SIN instead.
carmine valve
Maybe its my setting but spamming Sinister strikes spellques it to a point I cannot squeeze in BF
shadow gyro
I will continue maining SIN, but will be looking for niche reasons to switch to sub/combat.
Thanks everyone! (At gym, so may get spottie)
carmine valve
I rather stop playing outlaw
sturdy python
Outlaw will be even better in the dungeons it's good at with reaping. Might not see it at mdi or anything because people will just bring havoc instead
vestal wren
@carmine valve tbh havoc is bs, blizz gave the spec far to much and balancing is overly strong for them
shadow gyro
I do like not having to play a spec by bringing the right comp.
But, isn't it nice having a havoc DH in your group?
vestal wren
havoc is the ONLY spec that is nessecery for a compatitive m+ group
carmine valve
even if they remove dmg from havoc, they still got 5% magic dmg, aoe stun, purge, single target stun, Darkness they have too many tools they wont be removing them in this expansion
vestal wren
given it has no real weakness and brings far to much to the group
shadow gyro
The utility is overwhelming with DHs
I would love to see more utility in some other classes
gilded arrow
What is looking like the strongest spec going into tier for rogues
sturdy python
!spec
prisma monolithBOT
All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict
spice surge
Unsure, assassin is the safest bet though
civic palm
๐ #wow-general ๐
carmine valve
Im sure blizzard is gonna make some heavy changes on the first week for BoD raid
vestal wren
dh has everything. unlimited mobility, insane burst, strong defensives, strong utility, damage amp, strong aoe....
gilded arrow
I know that some shine on certain encounter we s but I'm talking. Overall based on all encounters speculation
vestal wren
dh is already the most played dps spec in the game ๐
well back to topic, play sin. Its great for progression
civic palm
Yeah but if everyone rerolled DH I could answer fewer questions.
gilded arrow
@prisma monolith
carmine valve
@gilded arrow Assassination is solid single target, stronger on cleave, BiS in m+ for most dungeons. Very strong in 2s/3s for dmg and mortal strike effect. they also apply aoe mortal strike in RBG
spice surge
@gilded arrow http://piclair.com/data/ti18x.jpg
vestal wren
sub is due to TfD trait slightly stronger on high uptime pure st fights
gilded arrow
I see that pin but siming lowest in 8.1 uldir
vestal wren
this does not mean its a good spec to progress with
civic palm
I see barely any SUB for Taloc > _>"
civic palm
More OTL than SUB even...
spice surge
So?
gilded arrow
Sin is lowest for rogues
vestal wren
it does not sim lower, it sims as mentioned slightly higher
spice surge
How do you sim without simcraft then?
civic palm
and why only 90th percentile?
civic palm
Why not 95%?
gilded arrow
Not 9tg
spice surge
Are you looking at overall statistics?
shadow gyro
@gusty kestrel ?
carmine valve
You cant use Uldir numbers to predict BoD, the fights in Uldir are probably shorter since people outgeared it, and any fight where you get to multi dot sin would get advantage
gilded arrow
Yes overall
spice surge
Dont
vestal wren
spice surge
Assa is bad at padding at adds
gilded arrow
K not siming
spice surge
So it will look bad at overall statistic
vestal wren
sub is good in logs due to zul
vestal wren
the statistic is so to say screwed due to zul
spice surge
@gusty kestrel xoxo
vestal wren
well to be honest, the majority of logs esp. in the higher % are about cheesing the fight
carmine valve
isnt outlaw logs reliant on good rng? im not sure how that works?
gilded arrow
That's why I'm at 90
civic palm
90 and above is where the most cheese is > _>
gilded arrow
95 and up are can get more cheese in them
sturdy python
Tisu always hating on us pirates 
solid nova
#wow-general is that way.
sturdy python
Point is, sin will be the safest progression spec. Current parses are not a good indicator of that
gilded arrow
Got it
carmine valve
If you really wanna pick the best spec go Havoc, no one can deny you a spot
shadow gyro
Why you so unhappy?
vestal wren
this is why sin is bad in overall ๐ (zul)
civic palm
The only safer specs are BM and Aff > _>
gilded arrow
And spammy
@vestal wren got it
Didn't think zul penalized it that hard but I guess that makes sense
civic palm
_>
vestal wren
rogue will be one of the melee specs you will see in bod
given the soak potential ๐
civic palm
heh
gilded arrow
Feint?
vestal wren
cos + feint
vestal wren
e.g. you want rogues for jaina for the snow storm thing
carmine valve
2 min netherwalk cd I belive
solid nova
Take the DH talk to #wow-general
strange python
2
vestal wren
2 min
gilded arrow
Yeah rogue and dh good for that
civic palm
Rogue is, yes.
gilded arrow
Can dash not be used with nether
civic palm
Slip into the nether, increasing movement speed by 100% and becoming immune to damage, but unable to attack.
Ok so yeah both are good
shadow gyro
So cloak allows you to attack?
stuck knoll
Yeah
civic palm
Makes things you have to break someone out of doable without removing the aura first.
Made the SUB mage tower a joke, etc.
spare flame
Anyone know if fathoms will have its ilvl increased
shadow gyro
It was good while it lasted ๐
strange python
can only use daggers with assassination?
stoic violet
Are the new trinkets from BdA simmable? Anyone know which ones are most gonna benefit sin rogue?
I'd imagine V.I.G.O.R. is gonna be probably top pick for rogues, Kimbul's Razor claw looks underpowered, just a chance to bleed 3.9k over 6 seconds, unless it has good proc rates.
spice surge
wind crest
Trinkets are on raidbot as well
solid nova
#tc-updates is your friend
stoic violet
gotcha thanks yall
fierce sluice
Which traits are you alll going for, progressing in BdA?
novel moss
Anyone else getting the combo point bug again?
as in nothing seems to generate combo points
-_-
ember saddle
Dismissed bwonsamdi buff with active ghosts up?
vestal wren
@fierce sluice
scroll down to season 2 changes:
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth
fierce sluice
thank you!
so SS is still decent for ST? bloodmallet keeps listing it at the bottom
vestal wren
thats bc. both sim sites use MA as talent and SS gets lower value with that
fierce sluice
Oh I see
vestal wren
just keep in mind that there are better single target traits then ss, ss is good bc. it works well in st and multi target situations
fierce sluice
BI is not mentioned in the season 2 changes, how does that fare?
vestal wren
!sims
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
vestal wren
herodamage has sims, just take a look
fierce sluice
alright, thank you so much
plush pulsar
whats performing better atm sub or assassination
vestal wren
i would say it depends on the encounter if we talk about the current state
stoic violet
sub is simming higher, but it's all about performance.
And situational encounters for sure
vestal wren
sin is peforming worse then sub on zul for example ๐
plush pulsar
what about mythic+
vestal wren
depends on the affix and key
stoic violet
Also the sub sim is only marginally better. Top Sub sim is 18,785, top Sin sim is 17,891
vestal wren
outlaw and sin are the dominant choices, sub can be played in some specific key/affixes
stoic violet
Also azerite, if you have echoing blades for Sin, it could easily out DPS the other two
plush pulsar
thats like close.
spice surge
Though sub goes up like 2% if you swap out galecallers
In those default profiles
Because haste is awful now after 8.1
vestal wren
maybe true given you use 1x tfd
we can update the profile if you have good alternatives
i agree with your point, t22 profiles might not matter much now
ye, i remember
lost sentinel
seems like the trinkets don't get shaken up too much, at least on herodamage
for M+
ya'll gonna buy a random 415 azerite piece when u can, or save up?
mental fiber
random for sure
strange python
ill be decked in gear before i have enough azerite for a piece. Given my loot luck
๐
high ingot
when should one use vendetta on ghuun mythic?
lost horizon
Depends
If your raid is having trouble with some of the adds between beams you should vendetta an add to help that along
But that shouldn't really be necessary
high ingot
didnt look like it
lost horizon
Where are you wiping?
high ingot
atm due to other stuff, random fails I'd say. I'm told my CDs are just needed for p3
lost horizon
What %?
strange python
anyone checked which bosses should we roll for azerite?
spice surge
strange python
thanks bud
jadefire masters seems like a obvious bonus roll
ddose + covenant traits
champion of the light same
lost horizon
Check how many casts got off from the adds @high ingot those can fuck you up
If no add issues, then it's dunks/boils and there's not much you can do about it
If you're just looking for damage vendetta on pull, 2nd beam, and either hold for P3 if you'll get 2, or third beam and in p3
undone minnow
Is archive still gonna be worth using for first week or two in new raid since you still get the combat stacking buff? say a 390 piece instead of using a375 with double dose or twist the knife?
round osprey
Are you planning on bonus rolling the first boss of the instance on heroic week? @strange python
quick ice
tepid ridge
what's the way to go as Sin for T23 with azerite?
I can't figure out what's the power of Treacherous Covenant
and I dunno if I wanna gamble on this with potential nerf / bad uptime
solid nova
Herodamage is updated unless otherwise specified in #tc-updates
List of drops in the spreadsheet #announcements
obsidian plank
Whats currently the best trinkets for sin? Arathi WB is one of the BiS, but wondering if Fathoms is better than Forest Lord's Razorleaf
spice surge
heavy haven
herodamage seems to completly ignore exs spec
you guys think toxic blade will outclass exs next raid?
spice surge
There is largely no difference between exsang and tb
tepid ridge
you can select TB or Exs on herodamages?
heavy haven
nah thats the point u could in previous raid
but now its only toxic blade
and bis list is without 1 ss trait
spice surge
And the data was basicly the same for both, so it wasnt needed
heavy haven
so im wondering if its so much better to go double dose + treacherous
spice surge
Well obviously for ST
SS is a cleave trait, so having singletarget traits will be better for ST
heavy haven
ye but nearly whole raid isnt only st at all so i guess ss will still be better
spice surge
๐คท There's like 2bosses with lots of leave, rastakhan and jadefire
meager nebula
It would be too much work for them to make a sim for each boss in the raid, they use a ST sim because itโs the most reliable
hallow walrus
With Shrouded Suffocation, opening on 3 mobs, better to waste an empowered Garrote or Combo Points?
spice surge
Idk about mythic though, saw blockade had some adds but idk if they're staying up for an extended period or just something you need to burst
You use triple garrote
hallow walrus
okay...
jagged gazelle
Use triple garrote
finite acorn
is there anyplace to compare future dungeon traits or just need to look them one by one ?
spice surge
finite acorn
oh thanks not used to look at them coz it doesnt get pinged heh
cold dragon
Herodamage is showing SS with exsang as better than double dose? Are we hitting some stat threshold next tier where SS is really strong again?
This is in the T23 category
cold dragon
Seems like you'd want 2 DD and 1 SS if 1 ss is better than a 3rd dd
cold dragon
Idk, I'm seeing 1x SS as a 4.66% upgrade and 1x NP as a 3.96%
spice surge
And what chestpiece with tc do you see having SS instead of np?
The only one that exists has np
spice surge
@gusty kestrel ๐
tried outlaw in todays raid, was a truly depressing sight at taloc and mother
Should've stayed assa for those
fringe urchin
assassination looking good ?
spice surge
Yes
Zekvos and zul was good though ๐
And we did blast strat for fetid and vectis, skipping intermissions/eggs Pog
latent field
What do you folks think of treacherous covenant?
spice surge
It gives a lot of agility and the drawbacks basicly never happen
๐คท
also wtf is that role tis
Are you writing the ravenholdt guide now? ๐ค
lost horizon
Been ages since I've seen that role
solid nova
Blusimi
near current
how come shrouded shot up on herodamage? iirc it was treacherous > double dose > NP
civic palm
Shot up?
near current
it is number 1 on the trait list
spice surge
Yes if you look by ilvl
near current
it's beating TC by any ilvl
spice surge
Look per stack instead of ilvl
spice surge
Well yeah its still near the top and its a good trait
near current
it's good, it wasn't that high though
spice surge
wdym
If you swap over to t22 its still high up
Its just that t22 had separate exsang and tb, so it didnt show on the same page
civic palm
Was always there > _> it's even high if you're NE, but not by much.
near current
if you go to t22 and go exsang, it's still not beating TC
I just don't understand why now it's #1 when it was #5
spice surge
Well no the first trait of SS is obv better
Which is what the ilvl tab sims
Which is why you dont really look at it, because it doesnt provide all of the info
I dont really get why it is default
And SS was never #5, the reason it wasnt at the top was because we had Archives with 5x and 10x stacks above it
Which isnt really a fair comparison
civic palm
Yeah not at all.
near current
Yeah, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. I'm done โ
spice surge
????
civic palm
You just don't understand.
unborn mist
primal gazelle
does anyone have a scent of blood weak aura to show how many stacks you currently have?
civic palm
Just make one through the templates, just a buff afterall.
primal gazelle
zero experience making a WA unfortunately
primal gazelle
okay now i made a cool fireorb that pops up whenever i have sob, how do i make it show stacks
civic palm
Just use the templates, one of the options is for showing stacks I am pretty sure.
white galleon
maybe @fiery flower knows
distant halo
!traits
rose perch
interesting I usually go GGG CT in that spot but his opener is really cool
civic palm
It's fine, CT is applied later as it's only for DMG.
He doesn't make specific note of applying Rupture to your primary/prio. target but you should do so even if you are not EX.
civic palm
I probably would not Vanish/Meld to apply 1 Garrote, though that depends on what pack is coming up/etc.
I wouldn't just assume that.
distant halo
!bis
civic palm
and putting DMG AMP on a target depends on affixes and group DPS to a degree as well.
He can go to wherever he wants.
distant halo
Do we have a bis list somewhere?
civic palm
TF/WF kinda fucked BiS lists, follow your stat weights.
rose perch
@vital mural I mean I have .io score over him so idk if i like that argument, but i do agree it's a cool opener
distant halo
I just want to know what to look out for in the new raid
civic palm
It's the standard opener IIRC.
white galleon
do you stream?
civic palm
Though as someone else mentions, his targeting his questionable.
The clip seems more of a meme than anything serious, though he's not wrong in most of his uses.
elder marsh
white galleon
oh
rose perch
yeah it's definitely case-by-case in M+ whether you want to even vendetta on 4tgt
elder marsh
looks good to me ๐
light jacinth
๐
static hedge
Do you CT on single target to get the dot up then Env? Or only Env on single target
rose perch
don't CT on 1tgt
civic palm
Don't CT single target.
white galleon
wait wow we have so many mdi players here
civic palm
until we get some trait that fucks that up some time in the future
white galleon
@fathom badger @elder marsh and @light jacinth
civic palm
Yeah keep pinging them I bet they fucking love it when you do that.
white galleon
@light jacinth have you got an opener guide?
light jacinth
distant halo
There was a spreadsheet at one point someone had setup for the bis stuff in this new tier, does anyone know where thatโs gone?
white galleon
i think its under !bis
distant halo
Tried that bot isnโt working :/
white galleon
you have to type it in #tc-research
civic palm
I already mentioned that there's no list > _>
signal star
@vital mural @sand canyon whose better at rogue?
civic palm
That it depends on your current stats and the encounter.
distant halo
There was a spreadsheet though
white galleon
@signal star wait are u that league of legends player?
signal star
no i copied his name
rose perch
spice surge
Yikes
rose perch
doxxed
white galleon
who
signal star
wtf
light jacinth
signal star
partnered with spotify
white galleon
wow i didnt know u played wow yazuki
damn thats so cool i was a big fan of yours!!
signal star
@fiery flower
light jacinth
excuse me dont steal my name
white galleon
ok
spice surge
This
light jacinth
hey any flamers here
white galleon
What you're gonna do, is as simple as you're gonna garrote one, garrote two, garrote three, rupture vendetta exsanguinate! yeah? then you're gonna fok fok, rupture again, you're gonna vanish, reapply garrotes, especially on the target you don't have, and that's it, then you're gonna ct (crimson tempest). Look at my damage, right now, fucking 40k, it's fucking over dude. Oooh. How the fuck though LETS GO
signal star
@civic palm who do you consider the best rogue atm? I need someone to follow
civic palm
Follow whoever you want.
signal star
that doesnt help
civic palm
Go find a list.
white galleon
can you write one
civic palm
and take this to #off-topic
old oak
M+ against 6 targets - with SS you'll get way too many combo points if you just garrote for the full subterfuge duration. Is it better to miss out on one Garrote by using Rupture after 2?
civic palm
About spamming off-topic in spec channels? Maybe.
light jacinth
dw mizerok 1 day you'll get shadowblade
signal star
I asked a legitimate question get a troll response
light jacinth
signal star
you're pretty rude
civic palm
Why would I want that? O _O
signal star
if all people are like you in this discord then I'm out
white galleon
?? dont go
old oak
@signal star - ask the same question in off-topic and you'll get more answers
civic palm
Your question depends on variables you didn't provide. Do you want the "best" rogue that raids? PVPs? M+ only? WQ?
signal star
@white galleon goodbye man this is too toxic for me
ruby idol
What you're gonna do, is as simple as you're gonna garrote one, garrote two, garrote three, rupture vendetta exsanguinate! yeah? then you're gonna fok fok, rupture again, you're gonna vanish, reapply garrotes, especially on the target you don't have, and that's it, then you're gonna ct (crimson tempest). Look at my damage, right now, fucking 40k, it's fucking over dude. Oooh. How the fuck though LETS GO
old oak
^ is with SS anyway hey? Can you not fit 4 Garrotes in the subterfuge window? (one, then 3 in the 3 seconds after breaking stealth)
but not enough haste for that I suppose
civic palm
The fourth Garrote gets no added damage and will do as much DMG as a Rupture that you have 5CP anyway.
old oak
right - it's not subterfuge, just still off CD because the 3rd one didn't trigger the CD
okie
spice surge
Rogue gcd is always 1s, regardless of haste
Therefore its never possible to get 4 subterfuge garrotes of
civic palm
Vendetta has a sub 1sec GCD don't ask why.
dark crag
Because of haste?
civic palm
Then wouldn't your other CDs also have a reduced GCD?
dark crag
No
civic palm
But why is Vendetta special?
white galleon
hes using a bot?
dark crag
He watches gameplay
white galleon
wtf
dark crag
Look at his cast timeline. Fok and ct
primal gazelle
hes still looking at his screen tho lol otherwise he wouldnt had known where the mobs were being kited to ๐
dark crag
Probably atleast 1 eb
rose perch
but how is it even possible??
dark crag
It's called fok'around build
elder marsh
you dont have to be jealous bro lol
civic palm
lol
rose perch
maybe he has see-through eyelids??
dark crag
Fok'em right in the ook
fiery marlin
@signal star hi if you want some one to follow i suggest following 2 time MDI mvp champion @elder marsh
primal gazelle
link to his twitch?
elder marsh
๐
fading spire
white galleon
who?
fiery marlin
idk if that impersonate comment was at me but ya ive been insom for fkn ages its like a super common name
so its pretty obvious that ppl would have the same name
๐ฏ
civic palm
@fiery flower > _>
mossy adder
Ashines guide is for sub. Best thing to do is look at cast sequences on top logs and see what theyre doing
I think do, icy veins assa guide is written by grayhound
Its good too
I would repost your logs here tomorrow at an earlier time and someone will look over them and help you
civic palm
Should they be NA or EU?
Can I trust anyone in specific or look for someone specific?
mossy adder
I can if nothing else although there are better players here than me
white galleon
was probs @vital mural
civic palm
or ashine, since he's naming someone.
white galleon
haha! smelt it you dealt it!
civic palm
uhhuh
fiery marlin
wow thats not very nice @white galleon
zenith gust
guys, i'm trying assassination these days, did they fix that bug that only let you put 3 empowered garrotes? i assume they did, but just safer to ask :p
mossy adder
Yep
zenith gust
cool thx
and another question, what spec do you think will be better for the new raid between assassination and subtetly (i dont really like outlaw) ?
mossy adder
Assa is safer for progression raiding as bleeds still ticking if you need to deal with mechanics
rose perch
Agreed that Assassination is generally a very safe bet for the raid tier
mossy adder
Sub might be nice on some fights but generally when learning mechanics, positioning and fight times etc assa will perform better
I think anyway
onyx rock
...and then @carmine solstice teaches us better
zenith gust
i've always played sub, but i'm liking assa a lot. i think is more fun. nice guides btw dratnos,i was the guy asking you about mutiltaes/envenom being parried by the training dummy xD
mossy adder
Madve always does
onyx rock
Heยดs a god
I have a damn lot of respect for players who do not care about the meta and perform better on the spec that they love than 99% of the meta players
I mean look at this... he does this every fucking time
halcyon bluff
i mean the logs are comapred to the spec he played
mossy adder
His guild kill times are very fast as well which helps, hes definitely one of the best
If not the best
halcyon bluff
and logs dont really matter that much anyways
onyx rock
its still impressive. atleast for me
sacred yarrow
Why is the Zul fight the outlaw spec lol
mossy adder
Yep
Cos guilds dont keep crawgs up anymore for the sub cheese strat
Alot play assa or outlaw there now
halcyon bluff
its 8.1
sacred yarrow
Ah ye
halcyon bluff
for 8.0 hje probably still palyed sub
mossy adder
Ye
sacred yarrow
I stopped playing after CE but hoping something in 8.15 or 8.2 pulls me back in
void rover
I have 15% haste - 25% Crit as assination, think it's worth staying sub until i get abit more haste? ๐
onyx rock
Just sim you gear for sub and for assa
onyx rock
Play DH
rugged torrent
Do we have a list of BiS Azerite for BoD?
quick ice
Think the Wowhead guide has suggestions?
frail quiver
Hey fellow rogues! Was wondering, is there any detailed guide on assa these days? By ashine, musclebruh or any other really good rogue? Ive been parsing blue-purple and im annoyed because i cant seem to figure out what have i been doing wrong. Trying to get that orange
zenith gust
Dratnos has a nice serie of videos on youtube starting here --> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrr_ukI9KzrgxFppyk-RXE6Zg9mqAnH7P
frail quiver
Cheers!
zenith gust
Also ravenholds guide and wowhead
quick ice
Wowhead guide is slightly more up to date ATM, I believe.
zenith gust
raw fox
Any mods that online that I can speak with?
solid nova
About?
fervent beacon
I need mods to help me.
flat ocean
With what
fervent beacon
You ain't no mod, pal.
dusty surge
Crushed.
hazy skiff
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
carmine solstice
@onyx rock 
thanks for those kind words! : ))
@mossy adder and for you too ofc : )
distant halo
Does archive still work in BoD?
civic palm
The large stat bonus will not.
distant halo
Ahh, so pretty much worthless for us now?
solid nova
The stat bonus are only achieve whilst in Uldir, so no ๐
quick ice
comparatively yes
civic palm
I mean it's not AWFUL
distant halo
Yeah thanks, I just made up a bis list and couldnโt see an archive trait so I assumed not. Thanks for the quick reply
civic palm
crisp shard
It wont have 2 traits tho, so will be useless
civic palm
Yeah, a second trait would beat it almost no matter how good it would end up being
quick ice
that's probably the more important part
crisp shard
You can go pretty far down that list and 2 traits will usually come out ahead
civic palm
2 traits can be worth ~9% DPS, Archive @ 10 is worth ~13%
distant halo
Has anyone made their own bis list? I would love to compare mine to yours
quick ice
I mean, I droptimiser'd myself, if that counts? ๐
civic palm
No such thing, so no.
winter moss
bis list in 2k19 
civic palm
Especially if crit/haste/mastery are close.
Getting a nice TF on one piece could swing your "BiS" too far off kilter.
solid nova
For as long as wf/tf is a thing and stats being as they are, BiS lists just arent a thing, and havent been for years.
winter moss
wf/tf/socket just takes the bis list and throws it in the garbage bin
where it belongs 
distant halo
I know it all changes based on gear and the fight but having a bis list especially for a guild purpose and having something to eye off is what Iโm looking for
civic palm
lol
solid nova
Yeah, especially with sockets being as ridiculous as they are
civic palm
Best bet is knowing what stats. are best for you.
Well sockets are losing some power with the general item level increase and the lack of new gem.
quick ice
fun fact, 385 ring with socket beats 2/3 of the 415 rings in BoD for me
civic palm
Also aren't the rings from Battle NOT great?
solid nova
Exactly, you can have a list by all means, but it'll be blown out the water with 1 decent TF.
winter moss
395wrists with socket beats 415 wrist
winter moss
^same
distant halo
I mean the list is more for guild purposes to see who needs what azerite more than anything
winter moss
personal loot
distant halo
And from what I see all most of the azerite is quite good for us in different situations
winter moss
they cant trade it anyway
civic palm
So you would need a BiS list for Raids where Crit and Haste lead unless there is a breakpoint that changes the list.
and a list for M+ where you need ~10% haste and mongo crit/mastery.
quick ice
I mean, they can when its not your 1st piece
civic palm
We got very lucky with AA this time around IMO.
winter moss
yeah but unlikely in the first ID to trad around azerite pieces
distant halo
Yeah it was hard for me to choose my โbisโ on that list since it all dramatically changes with different combos
civic palm
There's a lot of it, but yeah 1st ID should be pretty greedy.
distant halo
ID?
civic palm
RaidID / Lockout
quick ice
if you're lucky you might be trading normal gear assuming you do it after heroic
winter moss
i heard the guides there a pretty decent 
quick ice
tbh wowhead sin guide is probably the best sin guide atm
civic palm
To be fair since 3 of each slot drops, if someone gets lucky you could get an easy handout.
winter moss
IF
distant halo
Iโm smart enough to work out my own list I just wanted to see if anyone had made their own as well
solid nova
Theres no reason to make them so unlikely 
winter moss
i know my luck, i aint be trading till clearing mythic
civic palm
atm there's nothing awful in regards to AA, so I have not bothered looking for anything to stay away from.
distant halo
Itโs the guild that requires one piece for one slot, which obviously doesnโt work for us
quick ice
FYI, Mystler's guide on wowhead actually does have a "BiS" list
winter moss
for uldir/bod/dungeons
distant halo
Would you be able to link please? I just left home
quick ice
not a fan of droptimiser @civic palm ?
distant halo
Yeah I appreciate it none the less
winter moss
back in the day when amr tried to sim WF/TF
distant halo
If a rogue assumes they can just follow a list and drop other pieces they shouldnโt be playing the spec
Iโm just more looking for options, and a reason to show when it comes to it that I need that piece
winter moss
ยดIf a rogue assumes they can just follow a list and drop other pieces they shouldnโt be playing the specยด every class
civic palm
and unless you have broken traits there's no list to follow unless the list has multiple sets to account for encounter types.
winter moss
true
mizerok has a quick overview for every azerite piece
*every piece in the new raid
distant halo
Yes but unless I can put SOMETHING on paper now itโll just look like Iโm hear whoring
Gear*
solid nova
The fact your guild is asking you to is whats wrong lol
civic palm
from raid yeah, there's another link in #welcome #announcements with the dungeon stuff.
winter moss
yeah what guild are you in
distant halo
I wouldnโt expect them to know the intricacies of my own class though
civic palm
Hey now no reason to lambast the guild ๐
wellThereAreReasonsButDoingSoDoesNothingWorthwhile
distant halo
Nor am I going to explain that while they are making strats for each boss
Anyway thanks for the link itโs all I really wanted
winter moss
you welcome
civic palm
.9% 0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
zzz
atm the Droptimizer shows that you should roll for weapons.
Shocker.
winter moss
basically you can build 3EB 3SS for m+ right
quick ice
have to get 2 pieces from vendor if you want 3EB/3SS
civic palm
EB is veeeeeeeeery stronk.
quick ice
only 1 EB/SS piece in raid
winter moss
but dungeon loot: there is for every slot a SS/EB combo
2 of them with heed and 1 gutripper
civic palm
or just get unlucky and have 1ss | 2eb | 3sob / 3uf
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
One of those UFs might be Gutripper.
quick ice
that's a pretty hard to complain about setup too
winter moss
chest from makatorque or conclave 
grizzled jay
The new droptimizer on raidbots is pretty sick to see your path of "best" upgrades.
stable oxide
is SS nerfed in the new season?
vestal wren
the "nerf" you remember was just a tooltip update
stable oxide
Cause on Herodamage SS is extreemly low with TB specc
vestal wren
herodamage or Bloodmallet shows ss low bc. they use MA as default
pastel vault
no more RA is kinda a "nerf" to exsang on ST, the extra haste helped a lot
my TB is simming higher without it now
vestal wren
the new azerite tier makes up for the loss of ra
pastel vault
oh he asked if ss was nerfed not exsang my bad
I meant exsang is weaker compared to TB now
cobalt gyro
random scroll
Reaping fiesta
marble trellis
Anyone made any sims for versatility or stats in general with the upcomming changes?
vast forum
Changes?
unborn mist
vast forum
We're getting changed?
dapper moat
?
marble trellis
Nevermind its old news sorry
high siren
dapper moat
"Shrouded Suffocation: Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals additional damage. Only go for these if you are still playing Exsanguinate" thats from raven guide. So if using TB then SS is not recomended anumore?
vast forum
I mean
solid nova
Just ignore it
vast forum
Even with tb i thibk 3xDD, 2xSS, NP is the best class trait combo
Mix in a few tc for fun
vestal wren
you wont run more then 1x NP
viral matrix
How many combo points should I be spending at. I know combat is 4+, what about assass?
rose perch
4-5 as a rule works pretty well
you do 3 in the opener with SS
for your first rupture
viral matrix
Yea, thank you. I read through the guide but just wanted clarification on the general guidance for combo point spending
tyvm
vast forum
You can also finish at 3 in aoe when fok-rupturing
stable oxide
isn't 1xSS 4xDD 1xNP the best combo? or is this combination not possible within the game
for raidbosses that is
i dont know, aren't there pieces with the same trait in different rings?
ahhhhh
Well I just made myself look stupid here ๐
vast forum
I was told by tisumi that someone here thought they could get 2 of the same trait on the same piece of gear
tiny vapor
Do we already know the go to traits once the raid is released ?
languid ore
Anything that drops
tiny vapor
Good plan hehe
strange python
lads
is there any rogue specific guide out yet for the new raid
like best trait setup for certain bosses
solid nova
There's Mizes spreadsheet for azerite in #rules-and-guides and #announcements as well as the BoD quick reference guide to each boss in the rules and guides part
solid nova
@strange python But yes there is something in the pipeline more specific for what you need ๐
Soon โข indeed
narrow flower
is there an addon that tracks envenom?
latent field
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
rose perch
@narrow flower this might not be what you're looking for but https://wago.io/Afenar_Rogue is a full hud that I use which includes envenom tracking - you can just rip out those auras and cut the rest if you want
Oh it's one of the ones in that command too!
latent field
Dratnos, in your guide you say that playing toxic blade amounts to just pressing it when it comes off cool down, does this mean that I shouldnโt worry so much about refreshing rupture inside the tb window (at the cost of an envenom)?
narrow flower
ok ty
quick ice
See pins in #wow-general
winter gale
@latent field I think u should apply rupture before tb so u can put as much envenoms
spice surge
@latent field Yes you TB on cooldown
Its a bigger loss to delay tb or to refresh rupture before pandemic than it is to refresh it during tb
And its an enormous loss to let rupture fall of
rose perch
Yes I agree with eleem!
spice surge
Ideally you'd refresh it in pandemic before, but sometimes it just doesnt line up perfectly
winter gale
Multiple situations/multiple losses :)
jagged gazelle
What do you guys think about new trinkets from the new raid?
latent field
Thanks Eleem - yeah I find that sometimes even though Iโve tried to line it up well itโs falling off within the window or just at the end ๐คท๐ปโโ๏ธ
rose perch
In my experience toxic blade is way easier to overthink than underthink
spice surge
The new trinkets from the raid look underwhelming, especially on herodamage
Unless you're playing outlaw
jagged gazelle
I play assa only,but cant get any good trinkets
spice surge
So its looks like its back to the arena and freehold/siege for us
To aquire our trinkets
jagged gazelle
I would sell my kidney for freehold trinket,however I got mydas touch or whatever its called from atal dazar 2 weeks in a row...
From the chest remind you
quick ice
Kimbul's might be strong for a week or two, before gear scales over its static damage?
spice surge
The bleed trinket does the same damage regardless of your stats
quick ice
Look at it on t22 Sims vs t23, it's much stronger relative to total DPS with less gear.
spice surge
Whereas stats scale with eachother and multiple, so the better gear you get, the better your stats become
jagged gazelle
ooh
spice surge
So with full 385 gear a 415 trinket that does damage it does more damage (% wise) than it would be if somebody had full 415
quick ice
But yeah freehold/siege is gonna be the way to go it looks.
spice surge
And KR/pvp
quick ice
Haven't done the fights to see if galecallers is still usable/good.
quick ice
I don't know how it scales on aoe, but possibly yes
pine badger
Iโm not at home to test this now but does anyone know if they fixed the bug where applying a 4th garrotte out of stealth removed the dmg buff from the last 3
pine badger
Oh damn thanks
glass drift
So ive been away for some time. Is m+ rotation still garrote on as many targets as possible, rupture on main target, fok spam with new echoes trait and Crimson tempest?
vast forum
it's never been like that
glass drift
O.o was when i was watching the world first high m+'s, but without the new trait ofc..and this was along time ago, hence asking ๐
so what do u guys roll with now?
vast forum
you always rupture multiple targets for energy
dapper moat
I do like that in m+
vapid lodge
crimson doesnt give energy
vestal wren
crimson is overrated neverless
latent field
but reaping though
spice surge
glass drift
hmm ok, but echoes still better than scent in that case..?
spice timber
does EB proc also apply poisons?
royal lantern
not sure if CT will be THAT good for reaping cus they dont really have that much hp
somone knows if the reaping adds set you in combat when they spawn and run too you? or only when they get close
bronze summit
Reaping is just a bullshit way of making blood dks a must have again
fringe narwhal
So they are by default bigger during fortified weeks since the mobs are and technically bolstering as well