assassination

[fading vigil]

Even method admitted they should’ve had it

[round harbor]

Yikes

[fluid mist]

But i think it’s quite cool that method streams prog and if they miss it they might stop doing it

So let it be method :p

[primal gazelle]

if streaming makes them enough $$$ theyll keep doing it

[fluid mist]

True

[violet light]

Hey everyone, new to the server, and also BFA Rogue. Just hit 120 on my rogue 2 days ago. Currently iLvl 338. I am trying to tweak my spec for M+. Anyone have some input? I have read every guide linked, but I see others using a completely different setup and putting out big numbers.

[round harbor]

World first don't mean shit when you can pay your mortgage for a year off of two weeks of progress

[ripe nimbus]

Limit is streaming next raid after BoD whether they get world 1st or not so.. there's that

[fading vigil]

I think they should

You saw the popularity method gained by doing that

[fluid mist]

I can’t wait tho i have to admit even tho a lot of people complain about The state of wow and etc i have not been this hyped for a raid in a long time

Those fights look awesome

[fading vigil]

By the way any gms here?

Looking for a successful guild that has great leader ship looking for some advice and tips on mine

[ripe nimbus]

Look awesome if ur a ranged multi dot spec. This raid is cancer for melee lol

[fluid mist]

@violet light try The guide in The pins or look up Some guides on YouTube to get a general idea

I went fotm afflock in legion because it was just so good not ashamed to admit it but never again lol so boring

[solid nova]

#wow-general 👈

[alpine rain]

Sin rogues usually focus the big add on fettid right?

[primal gazelle]

aff lock will probably be top this tier. Ton of spread aoe cleave bosses

Champs/Jadefire/Conclave/Rastak are all aoe cleave heavy fights, didnt preview the rest so i cant comment on those

thats 4/10 already

[spice surge]

Conclave isnt aoe

The other loa heals when one dies

[primal gazelle]

wouldnt stop ppl from multi dotting for benefits

its not big cleave, but locks will still have dots on all targets for the entire fight

[ripe nimbus]

U realize multi dot specs gain ST damage from having multiple dots up on multiple targets. Aka spread AoE cleave regardless if that damage is irrelevant

[primal gazelle]

^ exactly

locks will have dots on all, and boost its ST, irrelevant dmg or not

i might even shadowstep and rupture a few on champions

depending on how efficient that is or not

[lost horizon]

You'd have to keep poisons on them to get energy

[primal gazelle]

throw knives 😛

[ripe nimbus]

Well ur obviously clueless about the state of locks boomys and spriests in BoD atm then

[solid nova]

Take it to #wow-general

[ripe nimbus]

Yes sir sorry sir

[kindred cedar]

Archive of the titans will be quite shit in BOD right? so when i sim my gear for BOD i just sim with 0 array stacks correct?

[sturdy python]

Yes

[kindred cedar]

Cool

[scarlet wing]

can i find a azerith tier list for 8.1.5?

with 2 bis traits like echo blades and shrouded for m+

smth like spreadsheet

tty mate

sorry for asking

[river zinc]

when simming for M+ do you guys use hectic add cleave, beastlord, ultraxion?

[fallen cloud]

prolly depends on affix that week

[sturdy python]

!m+

[prisma monolith]

Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.

[sturdy python]

Just realize its built for a generic 10 key and may not be the say all, be all dpeending on what youre doing

[fallen cloud]

still good info

didnt even notice this option

[sturdy python]

Many people use 4-6t 40s patchwerk to get an aoe idea

So up to you

[buoyant stream]

how come Exsanguinate only works sometimes

[sturdy python]

What do you mean

[fallen cloud]

shot in the dark but u might be overriding a bleed by mistake and not noticing

[buoyant stream]

like sometimes i hit a mob with it it goes onto its cooldown

the rest of the times it just says Target invalid

[civic palm]

That makes no sense > _> Do you not have bleeds on the target?

[river zinc]

im super new to sin...on herodamage's site when it shows sims with talents next to them..for example Shroud Suffocation shows both subterfuge and marked for death..does that mean the sim is with both talents selected

[sturdy python]

Yes

[fallen cloud]

y

[sturdy python]

If it shows nothing its using the default ones at the top

[river zinc]

so Echoing is by far our best AoE then..since we really shouldn't be running marked

[sturdy python]

MfD loses value if you dont use it perfectly

And a lot less helpful in ST

And EB is great in big aoe situations, adjust accordingly

[hybrid chasm]

hey, stupid question:
when playing with exsanguinate, would you always use it on CD? i'm not quite sure about refreshing dots beforehand, so would you rather use it asap and maybe refresh a 20 seconds rupture/15 seconds garrote to full uptime or just wait until a point where you dont waste that much damage?

[buoyant stream]

should i be using matchamking or premade groups for raid?

CD?

[hybrid chasm]

on cooldown, asap 😄

[hearty birch]

you want to refresh the dot to be highest duration

[spice surge]

@hybrid chasm Refresh rupture if its under 20 seconds, refresh garrote if its in pandemic

But use it on cd

[hearty birch]

except maybe 3rd

[spice surge]

So plan ahead and do the refreshes a couple seconds before its ready

[buoyant stream]

is blintron 6000 completely useless or is theres something to it cause i did what he told twice and i got lost

[hearty birch]

then you can save for nothing personal

?

[river zinc]

im confused on whether to run poison or bleed really..I read through the guide, but i'm still unclear

[low junco]

wait how come i sim higher without ss

[hearty birch]

or do we just use it, and go nothing personal at 2:15 min mark

[spice surge]

Because SS isnt a ST trait

[low junco]

o

[hybrid chasm]

so you wouldnt refresh garrote if like 15 seconds are left? (unbuffed one, so without opener/vanish)

[spice surge]

No

[hearty birch]

I learn so much every day

[spice surge]

Im not saying my opinion btw, this is how simc does it and the one that is found to be the best

Or well, simc says 22 seconds for rupture, but the difference between 18,19,20,21 and 22 is basicly non-existant

Vendetta+vanish+exsang is ready at 2:25

[hearty birch]

Eleem, is mastery build worth going if you dont have shrouded suffocation in mythic plus?

[spice surge]

what do you mean

[hearty birch]

Isn't it preferable to go mast/crit for multiple targets?

[spice surge]

as long as you're not stacking haste for dungeons you're fine

[hearty birch]

yeah

[hybrid chasm]

Thanks a lot @spice surge :>

[spice surge]

Stats arent overly relevant tbh

[hearty birch]

got it, ty

[kind kindle]

What would be the best talent setup for battlegrounds?

[civic palm]

#pvp

[gray crest]

either 123xx21 or 223xx21

[buoyant stream]

what do u guys apply to ur blades

[civic palm]

Poison

[latent field]

Wound poison so the boss has a hard time healing themself

[buoyant stream]

aight seems the right way to go

[river zinc]

so from looks I never mutilate if I have 4 CP currently right?

always dump with envemon or rupture at that point?

[visual quartz]

yup

[carmine gale]

is assa best for heroic IEs ?

with crimson tempest

[kind kindle]

or pop a fan of knives to get that last cp

[spice surge]

You dont

Pop a fok on st

[robust light]

has anything major changed with rogue since like 5months ago? took a break, looking to start again soon

[spice surge]

No not really

Basicly the same, check herodamage for traits which is the only thing that has had some minor adjustments

[robust light]

k so my muscle memory rotation should still be valid 😛

[visual quartz]

assassin has been the same for alot longer than 5 months 😛

[river zinc]

in M+ with 3xechoing blades..do I use Fan of knives on less than 3 targets? I know guide says 3 or more, but with the trait do you change that behavior

[buoyant stream]

anyone know how i start argus campaign

i hit 110 and the dudes no at the landing area

[muted jacinth]

i sim like 100 dps higher without SS, but i choose to keep it due to the playstyle

[silver quiver]

messing around with assassination

do any of you use a wa or addon to handle poisons?

[civic palm]

Whaddaya mean "handle"?

[silver quiver]

I've heard of people forgetting theyre on so maybe something to show that

kind of rookie mistake but i've often heard "Damn i didn't have poisons"

[civic palm]

Oh as a reminder, yeah plenty of people do that.

https://gfycat.com/bleakuniquegreatwhiteshark

_>

[silver quiver]

gracias

[pastel vault]

looking like next tier is asa for sure ya?

lots of multi target

[hollow stone]

Outcome likely

[jade grotto]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

whats better for pve dps in myth/raid

assa or outlaw

[civic palm]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict

[strange python]

seems assa

is best

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[haughty nova]

when we have 4 combo points and only mutilate up we spend em?

[violet sonnet]

Whats the best setup talent wise for M+

[quick ice]

!m+

[prisma monolith]

Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.

[quick ice]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[quick ice]

varies 😃

[violet sonnet]

ty

[tardy hearth]

According to my guild outlaw does more ST on mythiz zul then sin does

[hollow stone]

Tell them warcraft logs and filtering by zul damage exists

[smoky fiber]

but sin and outlaw are very close in boss damage on zul 🤔

[still pewter]

Less than a week out from new raid tier and no sims 🤔🤔

Guess game is dead

[meager nebula]

if it matters to you that much you could just do your own research

[nimble tartan]

Still using sims in 2019 lmaoooo

I feel my way to big dps

[latent field]

teach me this power

[quick ice]

We don't have a feelycraft reaction anymore?

[nimble tartan]

Just play the game a lot and youll just know whats good and what stats to use when

[round harbor]

Pretty much

Like shit just makes sense at some point

[distant halo]

Hi guys, what are you using to track you debuffs on enemy nameplates? I'm trying to get help with scripting for the addon "plater", ive got our 3 basic debuff being tracked, rupture, garrote and deadly poison, and looking to have the activation border glow on the nameplates when they are about to expire, but for the life of me i cannot find information for these specifics on google or a detailed guide to make my own on youtube. Has anyone already done this or am i missing something in the basic addons, i've used KUI nameplates, tidy plates and now plater, which has script options but they are overly complex. I can post a picture of what i currently have working (if that's allowed) if anyone could possibly give me a hand. Greatly appreciated for any information ❤

[onyx rock]

Try the #otheraddons Channel in the WeakAura Discord

[distant halo]

thankyou mate

[winter moss]

@distant halo go to details discord, plater section: the dude who made plater also made details

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan PREACH the feelz. LET THE LORD OF DEEPS BREATHE LIFE

[civic palm]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-sign-of-the-cross-praying-hoping-nico-santos-gif-10946409

[nimble tartan]

hehehe

[lone junco]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-gameofthrones-gif-5525935

afk another month.

[formal wigeon]

I’ve startet playing sin for my m+ group, and I have been following the guide on here. It doesn’t seem to say much in terms of aoe rotation except how to build combopoints though. I have shrouded suffocation and I’m using Venom Blade, how do I approach a group of say 4 enemies? According to Icy Veins I should apply garrote and rupture on up to 3 targets, is that right? How do I open? I usually garrote and rupture target 1, then the same for target 2, then start on target 3 if that makes sense.

[vast forum]

1. Switch to exsg for m+
2. Garrote 3 targets in the opener

[bleak spoke]

If you mean venom rush then don’t

That talent is terrible

[vast forum]

Think he meant toxic blade

Anw

[bleak spoke]

Exsang is better for m+ by a lot yeh

[vast forum]

3 garrotes, ct (if talented), fok and spread rupture to everything while keeping ct up

[bleak spoke]

For this week though be careful about ct

Bolsto out of control

[vast forum]

Well, if pack is same hp mobs, ct will bring them down nicely

[bleak spoke]

Yeh ct gives you a lot of control

[vast forum]

If it's big + small, watch what you're garroting and don't ct too much

[bleak spoke]

On a pack like the freehold rats you might want to do something like garrote garrote rupture vendetta exsang mutilate to internal bleeding kidney etc

Lots of times you can line the 6th or 7th global to the first cast

Of most mobs

And then if you have one big and many smallies like fh or ml you can actually do fok cts from that point and they’ll be even hp

The hail of fletchette mobs come to mind

Basically you do whatever it takes to make it so you’re not short on energy when the dmg profile continues to aoe

From ST openers on packs like that

You can also replace any and all foks with mutilates on explosive orbs

Will feel like shit but you won’t wipe

And if there’s multiple explo spawns you can rupture one that you’re not killing with mutilate for some quick and dirty energy regen

[formal wigeon]

Wow, thanks a lot for all the info! I did mean toxic blade, but I will try exsang instead. On opening, it doesnt matter that I cap my combopoints as much as getting garrote on 3 targets?
Would you suggest CT instead of poison bomb, or maybe only on fortified week and perhaps not when bolstering?

When using fok to spread rupture, do you always go for max combopoints, or just 3-4?

[bleak spoke]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

There is no specific week or affix that makes one or the other more viable.
CT vs PB is mainly down to your group, the dungeon itself and your pull sizes, with PB naturally having an edge in boss fights.
It's mainly the combination of affixes and dungeons that favour one or the other. High Tyr KR/Temple favour PB in general, due to low pulls and harder bosses.
In terms of Exsang vs TB; Exsang wins since it works well with SS traits and it's only 1 global on your priority target for some burst damage and extra energy.
TB usually locks you to that target to gain the most out of it.

[bleak spoke]

you try to rupture at 4-5 CP

just FOK until you have it

you can also snipe low hp mobs with rupture for the energy

you almost always try for 3 empowered garrotes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCfdOTO8cmA&list=PLrr_ukI9KzrgxFppyk-RXE6Zg9mqAnH7P @formal wigeon one of the authorities on how to play M+

[formal wigeon]

I’ll try that out.
I keep saving vendetta, because trash generally dies quickly, but how is it best utilized when just spreading ruptures? Also, fok is only for 4 or more targets right? Except when poisons need to be spread, then at 3 targets

[summer valve]

what situation in m+ would you ever take internal bleeding over iron wire?

[bleak spoke]

when your pals have issues with ghuunies

so all pugs except motherlode and shrine

[summer valve]

iron wire is like 1000% better though

[bleak spoke]

internal bleeding kidney will hard murder a ghuunie

also it's actually a dps increase

if you can just kidney you should kidney over envenom

higher dmg and energy regen

iron wire isn't better on non-caster mobs

[summer valve]

yes it is

15% reduced damage on your tank

[bleak spoke]

if your tank doesn't need it

it's whatever

i'm not saying not to take iron wire

i take it in maybe 1/2 or more of the dungeons i do

i'm just saying there are some places where you don't need it

freehold's a big example of that cuz the only casts that need kicking are like

sea spout and frost blast

and maybe thundering squall etc

[ruby idol]

If anything freehold is a v good iron wire dungeon

[bleak spoke]

fk

STOP EMBARASSING ME DAD

uh i mean

but why

[ruby idol]

Brinescales not being grouped is literally the only threatening thing in the dungeon

Extra silence duration guarantees it

[bleak spoke]

oh cuz they'll blast your group

[ruby idol]

They blast the tank

[bleak spoke]

i guess usually for that pack after the CC on the ghuunie i'll usually go for the vanish on that so i don't really notice

[ruby idol]

You get em grouped they die efficiently

[bleak spoke]

but yeh that's fair

which dungeons usually do the most dmg to tanks anyway?

[ruby idol]

The thought process really is

Internal bleeding is never going to be the reason you time a key

Iron wire might be

[bleak spoke]

sometimes it is tho

cuz in pugs a lot of times ppl don't know how to focus

so i have that weakaura that marks the ghuunies and i'll say in chat i'll always tunnel star and i'll kidney that one

etc

[vast forum]

But my dmg meter is not impacted by iron wire

[ruby idol]

If youre worried about ghuunies wiping your group you just play outlaw

[bleak spoke]

piracy is wrong!

[solid nova]

Dad tryin to get everyone to convert out here

[ruby idol]

Yall gonna be late to the party

In 4 days

[bleak spoke]

yeh i've been learning outlaw >_>

by watching your stream :^)

[solid nova]

Have you got your "I told you so" speech ready

[ruby idol]

Its already huge, gonna get even bigger :)

[vast forum]

I don't decide ahead of time what i'm playing

[solid nova]

Just be prepared to play all 2 specs 😃

[bleak spoke]

...

[vast forum]

Buying random pieces of azerite and the spec that gets good traits is main 🤷

[bleak spoke]

fks sakes richard

[solid nova]

That wasnt a typo.

[ruby idol]

Hell no! Tol and shrine still sub dungeons!

[bleak spoke]

i'm actually so into subtlety right now 😦

[ruby idol]

Maybe siege atal too

[bleak spoke]

it feels like you have so much control

[ruby idol]

Ill probably play more sub in s2 than i do sin :)

[bleak spoke]

i guess it's cuz any dungeon you'd play sin in you can swing outlaw?

[ruby idol]

Well we will see but as is even without reaping i only play sin in kr and temple

And i speculate outlaw will handle reaping a little better than sin

[bleak spoke]

poison bomb sin is so boring though

[ruby idol]

Assuming things dont get turned on there heads come tuning week

Which is super possible

[bleak spoke]

i hope they don't nerf wits

[ruby idol]

Well i think the only possible nerf is 2% drops to 1%, and i think that might be too big

[vast forum]

Wits is op by design

Even the 1% would be fine imo

[bleak spoke]

why shouldn't traits be op by design

[ruby idol]

So i dont know that they really can nerf it properly

[bleak spoke]

they could remove it

like shuriken combo :^)

[vast forum]

I never said they shouldn't be op

[ruby idol]

Maybe they remove the SS dmg portion idk

[bleak spoke]

they could ruin it like they did to inevitable demise on warlocks

[vast forum]

But i don't think any kind of reasonable nerf to it will make outlaw suddenly fall behind

[ruby idol]

Still super strong

[bleak spoke]

i think though outlaw will still be okay in a way

cuz just the way flurry works

just less fun

[ruby idol]

There is a chance sin pulls far ahead if 3x sob carries throughput, and dungeons are pulled in a way that outlaw just cant keep up on BF charges

[bleak spoke]

sob's agi gains are kinda ridiculous on 2t+ yeh

[ruby idol]

Ya its a very strong trait

[obsidian sierra]

Think mythic adjustments can fuck up a lot

[vast forum]

The amazing thing is that 3ss 3sob is available from raid

[obsidian sierra]

No one knows

I hate that its so unsafe to go for a spec before mythic week dont know

[ruby idol]

Well rogue was in a similar place going into uldir. All 3 specs were excellent, all 3 specs got nerfed, all 3 specs ended up fine.

Prolly just dont buy a 415 piece til after week 1 mythic ends and see how the dust settles and what you actually want to target

[obsidian sierra]

Yeah but in case of weapons. It took me for example ages to get the mother dagger like mid season

[brisk forge]

Yeah, that was great in Legion about the wep. U can fall behind now if u dont get any daggers fast enough 😳

But the feeling of getting weps is sweet tho 👊

[obsidian sierra]

Yeah love it 😄

But not sure if im just overcaring since it shouldnt matter if you get best gear in first 2 weeks or 4 or 5th week. At least in case if m+. I saw ppl that have been 400 score below me just pushing 200 above me the last month just because of time invest so in the end it shouldnt be such a thing

[strange python]

any pvpers around? what poisons would you recommend for 2's? Or does it depend on comp you are facing?

[solid nova]

#pvp

[strange python]

woops ok 😃

[buoyant coyote]

The jaina fight looks so good

I wonder if cloak can reset the chilly effect

[bleak spoke]

They were saying on fatboss that they had rogues cloak and sprint to find her in the snowstorm

[harsh token]

is 360 SS head better than 375 archive on tyrannical weeks? can't figure out how to sim it on raidbots..

note that i've got 2 SS already and this would be my 3rd.

[quick ice]

!m+

[prisma monolith]

Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.

[harsh token]

ty

[fierce field]

is it worth running subterfuge if you dont have any SS traits

[lament dove]

it still could be more dps, but you have to sim it

e.g. for me it would be like 30 dps plus to use master assassin for raids, but since I'm still using subterfuge for every other content, I cba to change:)

[strange python]

I might be blind but could not find this info. How would your recomment simning G'Huun Mythic? I feel a straight Patchwerk 8 min fight feel bad?

[solid nova]

Sim 2 minute execute

As p3 damage is what matters

[strange python]

Thank you!

[uneven bolt]

which build does more dmg? 3 SS or 2 DD / and something more?

for m+s

[dapper moat]

3ss by far if items similar level.

[uneven bolt]

thanks

[cerulean junco]

On the opener with exsang do you vanish refreshing the Exsanguinate empowered garrote or vanish after is has fallen off

[solid nova]

You wouldnt refresh it, you'd override it

So wait till its fallen off

[cerulean junco]

Ty

[honest needle]

which wow folder does weakauras save to im reformatting and i wanna save all my stuff so i dont need to refind all my weakauras

like all my weakauras i have saved for each class

where do all those class specific weakauras save 2

[vestal wren]

just backup your WTF folder, you can else also (setup and) use the sync function of the twitch client

[honest needle]

will it save personal weakauras tho

not just the addon

[vestal wren]

your addon settings (including your weakauras) are saved in the wtf folder

[honest needle]

ya but what about specifit strings

for each class

last time i reformatted

it didnt save them

[opaque grotto]

Then export the strings and save them as a .txt file if you’re afraid of losing them

[honest needle]

i got an issue with my pc i have to reformat i cant figure it out

i cant open certain programs

steam and geforece experience both wont open i tried reinstalling them running as admin n everything

nothing is working

Im dreading having to reformat

[hollow stone]

Is this #pcrepair?

I think im lost

[opaque grotto]

Pro move is having two hard drives and dedicating one to your operating system

[strange python]

Whats the difference between "Shadows" and "Shadowblades"?

@vestal wren

[vestal wren]

shadows usually have a specific task assigned while shadowblades are more like typical moderators

[open yew]

For raid would i want to go 2 dd? Cuz thats simming alot higher then 2 ss or 1 and 1.

But everyone seems to favor ss

[strange python]

Cos SS is just super flexible on like almost every uldir fight since it scales with each target you get to use it on

unlike DD which is just a pure ST trait

So on a fight like Zek'voz for example you'd get way more output with SS since you're able to consistently apply triple empowered garrotes

[open yew]

With the removal of tthe reorigination. Do u think i could get away with 2 dd and only one ss.

[strange python]

Yeh , but remember were getting 6 traits next tier to use

[clear solstice]

Hello friends, can some1 tell me if the (overwhelming power) trait stacks ? im pretty sure it does but can some1 confirm it for me.

[strange python]

it does

[clear solstice]

Great tyvm.

[open yew]

Oh right. Okay thank you.

[raw fox]

8.1 bringing any big changes to rogue?

[rigid sonnet]

anyone got a shadowmeld macro to easily enter stealth in dungeons?

[spice surge]

8.1 was a month ago

And no, there was no big changes to rogues

[round harbor]

@vocal canyon who are you mate?

You sent me a msg but I can't respond

[proven latch]

anyone know if shadowmeld is supposed to work with shrouded suffocation? it's giving my guildy the extra CPs but not me

[spice surge]

Yes, it works with shadowmeld

You dont get subterfuge though (on a raid boss), so it doesnt do a whole lot of damage

[proven latch]

we're testing it on target dummies, staying in combat with the tank one

he gets extra cps, I don't. can't figure out why

got it, it was my macro. /cast shadowmeld /cast garrote doesnt work, but the same macro lets me SS as sub

[elfin quartz]

meld garrote macro monkaS

[bright path]

noob question:when u use your trinkets guys?on pull?

[elfin quartz]

usually pair on use trinkets with vendetta. depending on boss you will use in the opener

[spice surge]

Depends on what trinket you're talking about. If its the pvp ones or doom's wake use it with vendetta

If its galecaller its in the pins

[bright path]

vendetta>trinket?

[spice surge]

doesnt matter which order, just at the same time

[bright path]

aint got galecaller yet but will check

thanks guys!

also something I cant find:when vanish and vendetta refresh I start with vanish >garrote>rupture>garrote>vendetta etc just like opener?

[elfin quartz]

i believe you use vanish towards the end of your vendetta to reapply fatty garrotes (assuming using 1 or more shrouded traits)

even if that means holding vanish

[hollow stone]

Pretty sure he meant for 2nd vend

[bright path]

ye meant for 2nd vendetta

[hollow stone]

And assuming im right, yes. Same as opener

[bright path]

ty guys!

[elfin quartz]

Even if it was for 2nd youd still vanish at the end of vendetta 🤔

[bright path]

ah ok

[elfin quartz]

Since vendetta will come off cd before vanish. I may be wrong but I got CE doing it that way so hopefully i havent been playing poorly this whole time

[spice surge]

you hold vendetta to line up with vanish

[bright path]

so I start with normal garrote(since I am not in stealth)>rupture >vendetta?and then vanish when garrote is at 5.4?

[hollow stone]

What eleem said

[spice surge]

It doesnt really matter, just make sure you get your full vanish garrote during vendetta

[hollow stone]

You line them back up for 2nd vend

[spice surge]

If you use double garrotes or do it in pandemic doesnt matter

[bright path]

ok!

[elfin quartz]

Why would you hold vendetta if vanish would come off cd during your vendetta

[hollow stone]

To get full emp garr in vend window

[spice surge]

A. There is no loss to holding vendetta for 20s in the vast majority of cases.
B. Vanish damage isnt instant, its a 24 second dot and you want that dot to be empowered by 30% for as much as possible

[elfin quartz]

o right it doesnt snapshot monkaS, ill excuse myseld

[bright path]

just type the sequence if you are in the middlfe of the fight nad vanish and vend are up

[hollow stone]

So hypothetically, you could van with about 12-13 sec left on vend and sneak in a full emp ss exsang'd garr but youd miss out on a couple of exs rupt ticks in the vend window if you do that

[bright path]

to make things clear to noobies like me

[spice surge]

It doesnt matter how the sequence look as long as you get your full vanish-garrote inside vendetta

[bright path]

ok

[hollow stone]

Yee

[spice surge]

And the regular gameplay things, such as not wasting cp and finishing at 4+ and so on

[hollow stone]

Exsang is dead on tuesday anyway. Rip. Will be missed

Traits gonna fuck it up

[spice surge]

Its not though

[civic palm]

_>

w t f a r e p e o p l e o n

[hollow stone]

🙃

In all seriousness tho, im pretty pumped for the new traits, esp for m+ (new ring, w/e)

Our power level in m+ is gonna jump so high

Raid ehh. Cause array v 3 new traits isnt as big of an increase as just 3 new traits

[spice surge]

It can be even bigger

[civic palm]

Yeah it's literally just more DMG but doesn't give you a stat you don't want 👌

[hollow stone]

Oh yea. Theoretically, yea. Im thinking in ideal situation. Losing 750 main secondary for 3 traits is an increase but not as much as just +3 traits

[civic palm]

The primary reason I didn't like/want stats on weapon enchants and just wanted some kind of DMG proc.

[hollow stone]

Naw mee

Yea. For sure, will not miss the way array interacted

And having that dumb archive piece just for raid

[civic palm]

Was neat for a little while anyway.

[hollow stone]

Yea, i guess so. I did like it as a way of "nerfing" the content by making the raid group stronger week to week while stacking up

[civic palm]

Yep.

[spice surge]

Well, why do we need 3 different "stacking buffs" to the raid. Titanforging and AP does the exact same thing

Its less visual i guess

[civic palm]

Also the mini-quest got people into the raid to power the trait.

[hollow stone]

True. The difference (imo) being that array was "guaranteed" week to week

Forging pure rng and ap, well, yea. That one makes perfect sense

[civic palm]

Array was the inverse of the normal power-creep however.

In that if you were behind, you were behind, no way to catch-up.

[hollow stone]

Absolutely

[civic palm]

Whereas with AP the scaling allowed you to catch-up quickly on that front.

[hollow stone]

It was bad. Had to main swap for later bosses and was literally behind until we all were sitting at 10

Coulda done it like they did conquest and let you catch up to be on par

So if curve was 9, and you were 7, you could do 6 extra bosses to catch up, or somethin like that

[fringe narwhal]

I mean if running on an alt is a possiblity you could have ran them separately

[static sky]

is there a reason bloodmallet shows SS as one of the lowest simming aoe dps traits?

[spice surge]

Yes, because its simming with default ST profile

Which uses master assassin

Herodamage has a better representation and is updated more frequently (for rogues atleast), so i'd advise looking there instead of bloodmallet

[static sky]

ok ty

[fringe narwhal]

I think that's because that's just as without the correct talents. If you look at patchwerk there is more than one profile for SS with like sub and stuff. But only one in hecticaddcleave. Also hectic add cleaves not really aoe. It's like antoran high command. One boss and occasional adds

It's hard to make sure all circumstances are accounted for. It's like how blood puts in special consideration for elemental shaman on his site

But I'll let him know and see if he does

See if he'll add the other profile like he has on ST

[hollow stone]

Yea. I coulda gotten stacks on alt but was playing it just for m+ funsies and then guild was like "we have too much melee, your mage is geared, less go". So it was a surprise :p

[static sky]

How many targets before you use FoK when running echoing blades?

[spice surge]

2

[wary anchor]

wud u guys play pb or ct for a 14 waycrest this week?

[hollow stone]

Id play pb in everything this week. But idk if thats optimal

[sturdy python]

CT wpuld probably get value on a lot of packs. Just need to avoid using it on maggots

[tidal jetty]

!CT

[kindred wind]

so if I'm understanding this correctly, the only way we will be able to get dungeon Azerite gear will be either through m0 or through azerite quests/

[sturdy python]

And the vendor

[kindred wind]

that's right

[sturdy python]

Idk what you mean by quests though

[kindred wind]

the azerite gear from the raid is less than stellar for m+

[sturdy python]

Emissaries give their own pieces

[kindred wind]

oh shit

that's right

damn

[sturdy python]

Theres some really good M+ pieces in raid

SS+SoB

[civic palm]

Literally all good pieces.

From raid.

Minus... 3 traits?

or so

[kindred wind]

isn't that half of our class traits?

[sturdy python]

First two pieces are SS+SoB actually

An EB+SS piece too

Good stuff

[kindred wind]

okay

I'm just blind then

I didn't see the EB+SS

[civic palm]

No I mean that there's like 3 "bad" combos among all the pieces.

[kindred wind]

when I was looking earlier

got it insomia

[spice sorrel]

What are the ideal combos for m+? EB+SS?

[kindred wind]

that's what I'm aiming for

don't know if it is ideal

I'm only a heroic raider

and try to do m+ as much as possible though

[sturdy python]

Just depends on how youre pulling

[civic palm]

Yeah there are a lot of variables.

[sturdy python]

For most people probably SS is what youre looking for

[kindred wind]

what are you guys aiming for?

I prioritize SS/EB/SoB

[civic palm]

The mix depends on those mentioned variables > _>

[sturdy python]

SS and SoB for me probably but I suck and dont do anything crazy

[plain jacinth]

Eb value will be higher with the reaping affix tho

[sturdy python]

Thats true

[kindred wind]

save bolstering/teeming/fort weeks

I think we will be taking CT a lot more than PB this season

are any of you planning on running outlaw as well as sin for m+?

[warm geode]

there is some link with all azerites gear ( showing traits ) for the season 2 (including dg azerite with the extra ring) ?

[sturdy python]

I play both, most of the higher M+ players will play all 3

[civic palm]

#announcements #rules-and-guides have the links

[warm geode]

not online atm i game

ty

[kindred wind]

thanks for the pointers guys

and gals

cheers

[primal gazelle]

probably emissaries

[warm geode]

@civic palm thanks for the tip, saw now, 3 pieces from the raid with SS+SoB for ST and 1 from raid + 2 from Dg with SS+EB izi life for sin

[civic palm]

👌 yeah we got it good

[buoyant stream]

anyone know why Mogu'shan Vaults final boss wont spawn?

[visual topaz]

TB or Exsanguinate in mythic G'huun ?

[round harbor]

Whatever your heart desires

[visual topaz]

lovely

[warm geode]

venon rush, go hard or go home

@civic palm outlaw is good to , 3 deadshot + wits

[sturdy python]

Wits power is mostly in the first trait, after that its justa decent trait

TC is strong for outlaw, comes with the obvious negatives though

[river zinc]

So i'm having a hard time transitioning to assassination specifically in M+...Should I be running 3x echoing blades this week with tyrannical?

[hollow eagle]

heya

not sure if you've had this question before but do u think that kimbul's razor claw will work with assa mastery?

[worthy leaf]

So... I can't really figure out FoK... Do I just use it to apply dots, and just dot and stab things otherwise?

[sturdy python]

Fok at 3 targets if they need poisons still, otherwise always use it 4+

This changes with echoing blades traits

Not necessarily @river zinc , EB is good in large aoe pulls

[civic palm]

and crit raaaaaaaaaaaate

[sturdy python]

That too

Probably not @hollow eagle , there was a trinket in Legion that applied a bleed also and it didnt interact

[hollow eagle]

@sturdy python cool, thank you for the clarification

[bold trail]

Has anyone created a list of gear they'll be chasing? Or a bis list?

[ruby idol]

Afaik theyve made trinkets not interact with any masteries across the board to avoid another draught of souls

Like the frost trinket in bod doesnt scale with frost dk mastery

So the bleed boy should definitely not scale with ours

[sturdy python]

Ah draught, killed myself a few times with it

[river zinc]

@sturdy python so with 3x EB since I have that...do I use FoK on 2+?

[sturdy python]

Umm I cant say for certain

3+ Im sure you do

Id suggest finding other traits though, outside of very large aoe pulls youre hurting for damage

[distant halo]

I’ve actually been running 2x eb for a while now and I haven’t lost too much off my single target at all, but gained a ton of dps on 3+ targets that basically makes us an outlaw rogue

[river zinc]

I have many traits..simming is proving hard for aoe though

Idk I main outlaw..and with 1xwits...it's insane burst

[sturdy python]

I doubt eb out damages SS in 2-4 targets

[distant halo]

Well I’m sustaining 40k on 4 targets

[sturdy python]

Maybe though

[distant halo]

With 2eb 1 ss

[sturdy python]

I have a hard time believing that tbh

[distant halo]

Ct as well

....

[sturdy python]

40k sustained is pretty ridiculous for 4 targets

[distant halo]

385 crit build believe what you’d like

Also 380 spyglass take me to 38 percent crit

Takes*

Can you send clips in here?

[river zinc]

so SS is good for AoE also..hm..I have some SS..Should I be running like 2x SS and 1xEB..I'm trying to sim this all now lol

[distant halo]

2 x ss 1 eb or 2 eb 1 ss is great for an aoe build

If you go with 2 eb you’ll have to stack crit

I recommend looking at dratnos on YouTube for multi target

[river zinc]

ty

Multi Target

Agility
Critical Strike
Mastery
Versatility
Haste

thats from the guide

is that what you mean as crit build

[distant halo]

Well agility falls way behind the higher ilvl, you’ll have to sim your own character

I’d link my weightsfor my 2 eb 1 ss build but I do know agility is under crit and one other stat I can’t remember

[river zinc]

oh i've simmed one sec this is a 1 boss hectic add cleave 4 minutes. To resemble a fast paced M+

( Pawn: v1: "Sneakysnake - Assassination - Hectic Add Cleave (Raidbots)": Class=Rogue, Spec=Assassination, CritRating=4.98, Agility=2.87, HasteRating=4.63, MasteryRating=2.48, OffHandDps=0.89, Versatility=3.36, Dps=15.1 )

so agi is like 2 dps behind

[distant halo]

Yeah agility gets worse the more targets you add

If you’re going for an aoe build then you’d want to drop anything for crit especially and haste

I’m heading to bed mate, best of luck

[primal gazelle]

you would fok at 2+ at 3 eb+

[gray crest]

is anyone going to take SS in the new tier?

[spice surge]

Why wouldnt you?

SS isnt a ST trait, its for cleave

[gray crest]

its not simming that well from what i see. kinda have to run with an exsanguinate build

[spice surge]

Well yes?

[pastel vault]

dont need exsang with ss, just slightly better on ST with it

[stoic violet]

I'm not near a computer, but does anyone know off hand what bosses drop the bis azerite from bda?

[near current]

1-3-7

[nimble tartan]

Ill never take ss as sin

Im st chad only

[zealous lily]

anyone know base rogue energy regen and how much haste gives us per point

with/without vigor

[round harbor]

43.56

[zealous lily]

?

[spice surge]

10

[zealous lily]

can't be cause without poisons on and vigor with gear on i just regenerated around 12.5 energy per second

yea 10 sounds right

and have 14% haste

[spice surge]

1*1.14*1.1=1.254 so yeah

But also, passive regen is like half of your energy as assa

Because venomous wounds

[zealous lily]

yea just trying to make a spreadsheet for how much bleed to energy cap and when to let bleeds fall off of get to low duration on almost dead mobs

thanks

[primal gazelle]

i think youre overthinking it lol

[lone junco]

@zealous lily if you run a sim with your gear. then manually override the haste value to lose some, you can compare the energy gain per 100pts of haste.

When I did that, i swapped 1000 haste (My raid set) for 1000 crit (my M+ set) i think, and it was for 5min pw like 2200 E difference for fight duration. Both using vig. haste matters for raw e.

[zealous lily]

yeah makes sense

just trying to be more accurate next season with how i make the M+ set

raid is pretty straightforward of just following the sim

and how i play with multiple targets and when durations are about to run out

[lone junco]

oy

just play high crit. and fok ruptures. hooray

[zealous lily]

yeah more or less

i also dunno about the other specs and whether or not to spend time simming them

[safe matrix]

I mean if you're doing high level keys you should atleast try to be proficient in the three specs

[zealous lily]

after the nerfs it stopped being worth the time for me to sim the other specs and respec azerite all the time

i am

though outisde of raid i'm really bad at sub

in M+

i ahven't even played sub since 8.0

[safe matrix]

hasnt changed really

same rotato

[zealous lily]

what's the reason to bring it instead of a tricked out assassination right now?

just like make a case for me because I liked playing outlaw in 8.0 and BFA launch

[safe matrix]

outlaws in a good spot, I think dads been doing +22s with it

sub depends on the dungeon

[bold edge]

do you reckon outlaw will be better than assass and sub in the new raid and m+ season

[zealous lily]

i'll have to look at his stream then to see what his setup is

[safe matrix]

1 wits + ds/ace

I don't know, these are really questions to ask him or people who do more m+ than I

[bold edge]

fair ahahah

[safe matrix]

although a lot of top tier rogues are running outlaw/sin

[lone junco]

I just cba to swap traits, and the personal loot made me not want to hunt for swords. huge meh.

https://tenor.com/view/game-of-thrones-tommen-jumps-out-of-gif-7148617

[zealous lily]

i got my 380 sword like last week

[safe matrix]

well you really only need the one sword

cause you can do offhand dagger as otl

[zealous lily]

i mean i got my 380 sword weeks after my 3x 385 daggers despite looting mother with outlaw as loot spec for ages

and others

just never got it

farmed underrot a little

didnt get it

hard to tell raid to gimme sword when other classes need it better and i'll not play outlaw in raid

and frankly it has actually never dropped... maybe 1 ghuun fist that went to someone else

hard to 🤷 and go play a spec with a -15 ilvl mainhand just because you want to cause it will never be better than the double dagger specs with that

[lone junco]

honestly, the reason I stopped playing outlaw, (aside from it being more work for similar or lower output) was that my WA crashed, and I couldnt find one I liked. MIzerok sin was good. so i stopped there.

[safe matrix]

mize has an outlaw suite

[onyx rock]

Why not make it yourself ?

[unkempt belfry]

does anyone know of a weakaura script that would alert the player if they overcap on combo points? I think there used to be one or something similar to what I'm looking for in and old weakaura group for newer players - but I'm pretty sure that was back in Legion and not updated.

[quick ice]

Like it beeps if you mutilate at 4 or something?

Or are we talking even if you're at 3 and get a crit it alerts?

[unkempt belfry]

yeah, more along the lines of the second one to keep track of "wasted" combo points in real time.

[coarse knot]

I mean arnt you suppose to multi at 4+ combo points

Err whoops didn’t mean to multi

Meant to say envenom

[quick ice]

That's correct then.

[coarse knot]

My bad 😂

Made myself look like a total scrub

[quick ice]

And I don't see why you couldn't make the WA, but I don't personally know how.

I only do stupid things like that right as my boss walks past.

[coarse knot]

well tbh if you have 3 combo points and you mutlilate crit

You can’t really control that

So making a wa for that would be kinda pointless

But as for doing multi at 4 cbs would be a total waste

[quick ice]

Yeah, it's not really a helpful WA. The beep if you mut on 4 could be a training tool though.

[coarse knot]

^ I sometimes catch myself spamming multi on accident at 4 cbs

Like during my burst I sometimes hit that shit to many times due to having so much haste

And being a complete scrub

[round harbor]

@zealous lily to answer some questions, nobody knows for sure due to tuning, but likely all three specs will have their uses. Outlaw looks like the front runner for raw aoe on demand burst. Sub may have some use with the on demand burst/St burst

And sin may be good in a place like KR

And as far as simmimg m+ goes. Don't think about it too much. It's largely a waste of time and resources

The pulls and group comps and key levels vary so much you will be unlikely to get a accurate answer unless just simmimg like 3 min boss fight or something

And even then there are a bunch of bosses that aren't patchwerk

[vestal wren]

3 min boss fights 🤔

[round harbor]

Ya

Depends on the boss or key level but 3 min isn't too crazy I don't think

[vestal wren]

seri did a statistic on the top m+ logs on wcl and the current sim slightly overvalues boss fight lengh and its nowhere near 3 mins

the fight style is a good estimate but not a one fit everything solution, we had a discussion how to improve it tho

main issue of the sim is that you sim packs and bossfight together while you might want to focus on one aspect

[rose sapphire]

Are we going to more crit/mast stats next tier or haste still bis?

Not sure if that answers the question

[coarse knot]

I feel like some people are gonna feel weird raiding without RA

Numbers won’t be as high starting off

Once people get the new azerite should go back up

Who knows tho 🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

Ye but can’t get them all off the bat

But oh yeah once people start to get them

True

Would it be worth doing mythic oldie

Uldir

And anyone know if it’s true that m+ is gonna drop azerite now?

[rose sapphire]

Tbh I miss when u just stacken crit/mast in legion, 200%+ mast and 30%+ crit

So much fun

[vestal wren]

tbh its a good way to make the new raid interessting

[fresh sun]

Is it possible to proc Shrouded Suffocation using Shadowmeld as a Night Elf?

[distant halo]

Does anyone here have experience with “plater”, I’m trying to get a script working in it to flash when dots are about to expire to make it very easy on multi target situations to reapply dots. I would love to tag the @ here if it’s allowed. I’ve already contacted the WA discord and the details discord (since plater is the same author) and it seems like people who can script is very rare. If I can get this script up and running I would happily share with all rogues, I can’t believe this already isn’t a thing in the basic wow nameplate settings especially for classes like shadow, aff lock and us sin rogues.

[random scroll]

It's possible with elvui iirc

Maybe ask there

[distant halo]

Wait whaaa

Have you got it working?

I’ve spent all day contacting different discords and doing research online and I just get pointed in another direction

[random scroll]

Nameplate filters

I'm on my phone rn

And you configure it there

Debuff

[distant halo]

I haven’t used elvui since legion, is nameplate filters another addon or a sub section in elv?

[vestal wren]

if you just want a visual indicator for the debuff on the nameplate (any nameplate) you can use flyplatebuff or nameplateauras

[distant halo]

Does that have a indicator like an activation border or a flash when they’re about to expire?

This is what I have atm with “plater” but learning to script just for that is extremely complex

I’ve figured out how to set an activation border but no clue to set parameters for duration

[random scroll]

I'll give you more details when I'm home

[vestal wren]

flyplatebuff has this option

[distant halo]

Omg @vestal wren ty so much!! Does this work with other nameplate addons or is it a replacement? Sorry I’m not home atm either but I’m more excited than you know

Also is there any chance of an activation border setting? Blink is still great but I feel that I would still lose track when there’s 6+ mobs

[vestal wren]

moment ill show you a short clip

[distant halo]

Thankyou mate, I’ve been dreading thinking I’m going to have to learn scripting just to get something like this ❤

[strange python]

!help

[vestal wren]

this is how i have set it up (you can configure size and position yourself)

[strange python]

How do i search for an answer I know must have been asked and answered before? :s I cannot find for in the commands (!help) or by searching

[distant halo]

Oooo so it tracks down the bottom and not on the plates themselves? What happens with a large pack?

[vestal wren]

it aligns to the nameplate

so those are always right at the position you set it up

e.g. by default above the nameplate iirc

[distant halo]

Ooooo I see, what do you have being tracked down the bottom?

Or is that separate

[vestal wren]

thats jsut a weakaura for nightblade

[distant halo]

Sorry I am a noob as you can tell, Thankyou for helping

Ooo okay

Dude that’s serious awesome, and that was “flyplates” addon?

[vestal wren]

yes

[distant halo]

Thankyou so much, I’ll make sure to reference your help to all of my rogue friends that wanted something like this ❤

[vestal wren]

those addons are quite popular already, i mainly use them to track nightblade or some special things like the infested buff

[distant halo]

It’s interesting because I did contact this discord yesterday, then went to WA discord, then to the details discord for information and also did my own research on google for stuff like this. I also played with tidy plates, plater and kui nameplates and looked at info for them and still came up with nothing. Maybe I’m just stupid but if I had found this earlier it would have saved allot of pain and effort, so honestly Thankyou so much

[strange python]

Is the change to Shrouded Suffocation in 8.1.5 a nerf or a "flavour text"?

[vestal wren]

there is a change to ss?

[strange python]

A small text saying "every 2 sec for 18 sec" wondering if that is a nerf since the text suggest the tick will be static and not affected by haste. Or is it just a "flavour text" so everybody know it is a tick

[vestal wren]

its a tooltip update 😉

[strange python]

Ah, so it will be the same? Awesome :) then I'll aim for 3xss foe m+ next season to. :)

[vestal wren]

likely yes

[steep obsidian]

so does the warfront world boss ilvl go up to 400 with the raid release?

so i should hold off on doing it till then right?

[strange python]

is there any information on what combo of traits will be best for raiding with the added circle

[vestal wren]

the traits stay as they are now in strengh, the new raid trait (TC) is very good

herodamage also has the azerite chart updated already so if you want you can take a look

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[strange python]

thanks

[steep obsidian]

you won't really get much of a choice or be able to target anything anyway will just be a matter of simming what you get tbh

well other then the raid drops maybe i mean

[vestal wren]

there is a lot more azerite gear in raids now

[steep obsidian]

yar

i noticed that

[vestal wren]

also you can buy azerite so there is that too

[steep obsidian]

yeh that was my point you won't target them

they too expensive

at least if you want them for prog anyway

[vestal wren]

its more efficient to just buy random one + scrap if useless given the price of the specific ones is far to high

[strange python]

there's quite a few multi target fights right

so SS will be decent?

even if it's just one

[vestal wren]

ss is always good tbh

[strange python]

not that good on pure ST though, right?

[vestal wren]

its just not the best possible choice on st

[strange python]

it's nto bad

but it's not as good as DD and nothing personal

ye

exactly

but anything with a few adds makes it super value i'd imagine

[vestal wren]

you wont take more then 1x NP

[strange python]

true

[pseudo hamlet]

Guys, what's the most optimal(for ST/Raids/M+ etc.) azerite trait? 3xSS?

[strange python]

depends on the week

[vestal wren]

it should be fairly easy to decide what to pick for a fight for assassination

[strange python]

ye

for pure ST it's just reliant on the sims

[vestal wren]

from mystlers wowhead guide: (https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide)

[strange python]

and for cleave fights take at least 1x SS

[pseudo hamlet]

Thanks. Was just wondering about that, don't really want to go back and change traits every time I'm doing something other.

[steep obsidian]

i wonder how long it will take to get mats for an eng helm

it doesnt look bad

double dose and barrage of boms

[tulip mist]

Thing is, is it as good/better than the helm it competes with. For Start sure due to ilvl

[scarlet wing]

im hyped for 3x ss , 3x eb 😄

Echo blades will such overpowered in m+

[wide delta]

unfortunately raid only drops one SS/EB piece 😦

[nimble tartan]

Sin is dead for m+

Its over pack it up

[wide delta]

?

[quick ice]

Gotta luck into those 415 randoms or wait for specific dungeon pieces then

[wide delta]

@vestal wren can u ban @nimble tartan ? kkthx

[vestal wren]

ban for what?

[solid nova]

[nimble tartan]

I only speak the truth..

[wide delta]

was just j/king

[nimble tartan]

Remember me...

[wide delta]

can u explain tho? @nimble tartan

[nimble tartan]

I base everything i say on my feels dont mind me

[quick ice]

Feelycraft is the best craft obviously.

[nimble tartan]

I believe that to be true...

[vast forum]

Do we know what traits will be on pvp azerite?

[spice surge]

Yeeesssss

Its on wowhead

[vast forum]

Maybe there's a ss/eb piece there?

Cba lookin on my shit phone

[spice surge]

There is a deadshot/ace shoulder from pvp :^)

[vast forum]

Amazing

[wide delta]

wowhead on phone is pain in the azz

[vast forum]

And a ds/ace chest in bod, right?

[spice surge]

na

Ds/tc

mostly

[vast forum]

I thought there was 1 ds/ace piece in bod

[spice surge]

Nope

[vast forum]

That's bullshit

[spice surge]

and ds/ace is better than tc anyway because outlaw scaling is garbagio

[stuck knoll]

There's 2 ds/ace pieces from dungeons

[jolly agate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

correct me if im wrong, wasnt Sub only good in M+ if the pulls were really big and if the tank was able to pull adds for bosses?

[vestal wren]

you can say so

sub benefits a lot from having big pulls and additional targets

[worthy leaf]

Even after the nerfs?

[novel moss]

So patch 8.1.5 only change to Sin is the change to SS trait?

[rose perch]

@strange python Sub was (and still is) good in M+ when there are lots of priority targets, especially if they can be pulled with unimportant enemies that can safely be kept alive and used to generate combo points, which the Rogue then funnels into Single Target damage. Pulling really big isn't the main thing, it's more the mini-boss heavy dungeons like Siege and Shrine or the dungeons with bosses that have small adds or can have small adds pulled on to them (on non necrotic, bolstering, sanguine weeks) like Shrine, Siege, Tol Dagor, Waycrest. Yes though it absolutely matters how you pull the dungeon, sub does way better if it's been accounted for in the route!

[robust cloak]

hey guys, have typically been using FoK to apply poison at 3 targets, and my combo point filler at 4 targets, should i be using FoK at 3 targets if i have EB?

[rose perch]

You should in fact use it at 2+ targets if you have EB

[robust cloak]

noted - i'll give it a try this run i'm about to do. thanks! @rose perch 😄

[worthy leaf]

Alright. Anyway, assassin is a pretty safe choice to start out with in battle, right?

[spice surge]

Yes, assassin is a good default spec

[strange python]

what gems i shoudl use has ass?

[shy axle]

What do you think from the azerit list in that wowhead guide considering DD/NP/the new Raid trait ? You guys deem this as realistic or still aiming for at least 1x SS trait? Going MA without subt. and SS?

[spice surge]

SS is a trait that is good for cleave, therefore its reasonable that the ST bis is traits that are good for ST

[acoustic steeple]

Hey guys pls i have a question is this rotation correct if i have 2xss?

Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Mutilate
Rupture
Exsanguinate when talented
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice

[shy axle]

as opener yes

[rose perch]

Yes where it says "garrote twice" ideally you are doing garrote finisher garrote

[acoustic steeple]

y but if i get to that stage where i have to garrote twice my empovered and exsanguinated rapture is still up for 7sec

is it worth to reset it?

[rose perch]

Yeah so garrote envenom garrote

[shy axle]

@rose perch shoutout, keep up your good work, like your vids on yt

[rose perch]

Dont touch that rupture no!

@shy axle 😃

If you have no combo points when the first garrote is falling off you can just garrote garrote it's fine, but ideally you have one or two and you garrote envenom garrote

[acoustic steeple]

ok thank you so much

[strange python]

@rose perch Thank you for that reply sir. It seems that it would not be wise for me to try Sub out unless I had a dedicated group or at least a tank that can pull in an ideal way for me

[cerulean junco]

@rose perch love the vids dude! Any update on opener video being published?

[gray crest]

whats looking more promising in BDA, bleed or poison build?

[shy axle]

still nearly equal, depends on your traits etc. Just sim it

[gray crest]

im talking about for the fights not sims

[spice surge]

"bleed build" and "poison build" isnt really a thing since bfa

The only difference is one talent which has very marginal impact on preformance overall.

[strange python]

bleed build is more fun so i always play to bleed build

[strange python]

Did shrouded suffocation get nurfed during an 8.1 hotfix?

[civic palm]

No?

[feral shuttle]

What are peoples thoughts on Trecherous Covenant vs SS and DD azerite traits?

[civic palm]

My thoughts are that the numbers show it's pretty good.

[vestal wren]

mystler summed it up quite well in the wowhead guide:
https://www.wowhead.com/guides/assassination-rogue-azerite-traits-powers-armor-bfa-battle-for-azeroth

[feral shuttle]

Yep - I was just looking at this guide https://gdoc.pub/doc/e/2PACX-1vRvQLpvKGOajqSUD3G9shuXxagN1EXx6dakyfGqGMeNH57CYD3ia7lnpXjOHApMAGQWetveX4M3IOAU

which looks to prio DD and SS over TC?

[vestal wren]

scroll down to "season 2 changes"

[feral shuttle]

Thanks @vestal wren I hadn't seen that.

[vestal wren]

it was updated recently so its new ^^

but tl;dr: is nothing changes azerite powers stay as is, the new rait trait TC is the good one from the raid

[feral shuttle]

Assuming its a patchwerk ST fight?

I'm guessing others will sim better for multi-target encounters?

[civic palm]

In regards to the new trait, no, as it's a stat buff

TC^

[vestal wren]

its the first one in the list, and its not st specific

for aoe you will look at ss/eb/tc

[feral shuttle]

Nice - thanks for the info my dudes.

Are people saving their residium for a mythic Mekkatorque's bomber ? That seems kind of logical to me?

[civic palm]

I will be spending on my weakest slot after Heroic probably.

[feral shuttle]

In my mind it's logical to spend on the best piece that's the hardest to obtain.

Although perhaps that's a bit selfish...

[strange python]

Yo guys, u think assa is the best spec to BOD? A lot of combats with aoe probably outlaw its better but tell me ur opinion

[civic palm]

!best

[prisma monolith]

All specs are good. Specific ones shine in specific areas.
Check the following resources for the facts:
Warcraft Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/19#class=Rogue
Raider.io: https://raider.io/mythic-plus/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict

[civic palm]

I/we're not racing so the first big old chunk of residue will go towards my weakest piece once I have the currency for it.

[vestal wren]

@strange python i made a pin in #wow-general for that question

[strange python]

O thanks fuu i dont see dat

[feral shuttle]

Yeah

I guess you're right

'fill the holes' - giggidy

[zealous lily]

i can't see how other rogue specs will beat sin in the fights in which dots can keep ticking on an semi inactive target

like first boss, boat boss

multidot fights in general

at least a guide said that you can refresh dots full on first boss for example and then they will still tick without proccing the buff on her the whole duration

so like mythrax and his small son

others idk have to read more

[vestal wren]

i am not sure why blizz let dots run in that manner

it just favours dot based classes to much

[zealous lily]

yea

[spice surge]

Because you dont want people to have to not use their abilities 10 seconds before the buff appears

[zealous lily]

for things like that mythrax bit you just put assassination into hypermode

i feel like aoe burst as a role is very comp dependent

different classes will snipe each other

if you are doing boss damage you can never get damage sniped

[vestal wren]

i feel you can just bring a dh if you need aoe burst

[zealous lily]

yea

[spice surge]

or spec outlaw ^^

[zealous lily]

and the DH will be better at everything as fun as BFA outlaw is

if you do not have an extra DH to bring then great go play the DH role

[vestal wren]

and dh is the most palyed dps spec in the game so its not like you need to search for them

[zealous lily]

yeah

and WW will also be in the mix this tier

so if you want to compete with them for that role instead of doing boss damage GLHF

[vestal wren]

why?

what changed for ww out of the sudden

[zealous lily]

i'm not sure just i know that some PTR people are talking it up

[civic palm]

hmmm

[zealous lily]

and convinced a player in my guild who was WW and switched to frost DK to swap back

it might just be "a youtuber said it was good" but i think the WW community in general is more optimistic for whatever reason

[crisp ledge]

It's not hard convincing a player to swap away from frost dk, looking at them for next tier

[vestal wren]

i see rogue and dh in melee spot and one warrior if you dont take one as tank

[zealous lily]

i don't really understand what WW does and haven't leveled a monk past 10 so i couldn't say

[vestal wren]

but ye its exciting to see what ppl will bring up

[crisp ledge]

i kinda doubt anyhting fancy will happend. You might start to see prot warriors as something new

and resto shamans are viable

[vestal wren]

restro was not that uncommon

[zealous lily]

we have a prot warr now as second tank but they are both swapping between that and a second

BM/DK and warr/DK

[crisp ledge]

i meant for high end progression. Resto shammy in uldir was just kinda lackluster seeing how rarely the raid could stack

[zealous lily]

for raid i think BM is generally straight better unless death is no risk then bring a warrior for big damage

[spice surge]

Unless you're pushing world 5:th+ anything is viable

If you're good

[civic palm]

Found it

_> come on

[crisp ledge]

guardian druid 😰

[civic palm]

If you're rerolling WW thinking you will have a broken trait > _>

[vestal wren]

well or a mw healer

[zealous lily]

good luck getting an MW healer who understands their debuff is good

or reminding them every encounter 'it would be good if you punched this'

our old MW was a dumbass that's all... have a better one now

[lethal heart]

what is good on mythic

is pure rng

trust

[crisp ledge]

seeing as blizzard often do their tunings after heroic week. You are correct

[lethal heart]

well method kinf of gives trend true

but its still pure rng if class/spec is good

[civic palm]

Just find a bug 4head

[zealous lily]

just grind 8 classes to keep your bases covered

[lethal heart]

its multiple factors why certain spec/class is usually good

unless its a clear one

like avatar rogue

or ghuun warclok xd

if you play rogue chances are you wont be benched

because rogue is usually good all around

biggest weakness of rogue this tier was it wasnt mandatory

whereas some other melee specs were mandatory

to have

that sucked a bit

[zealous lily]

i'm really excited for how it looks like they pulled out the stops on the art

nighthold was super impressive visually

all the legion raids were except EN really

Uldir felt like it didn't have much wow factor... could have been from a non-WoW game even

just very generic in look felt like it was all re-used art even if it didn't

the encounters were generally fine

i mean stuff like the jaina fight looks amazing

[lethal heart]

rogue on zul is as big as warlocks on ghuun

[zealous lily]

mekkatorque looks great

treasure golem looks amazing

[lethal heart]

still rogue isnt mandatory class to bring pretty much ever

[zealous lily]

yea level design itself kind of whatever but i like it when the arena changes during the boss fight like blackhand / avatar etc.

[lethal heart]

or well

[zealous lily]

pretty much, just not as mandatory for mechanics as it used to be

[lethal heart]

thats not what i mean

we just dont give +5% w/e

thats cheap from blizzard

giving a class +5% dmg taken debuff or something

thats just cheap

thats what i mean

[crisp ledge]

We almost got it, but then blizzard remembered monk existed

[spice surge]

The real ❓ is why there are no scrolls for DH and monk debuffs

[lethal heart]

^

pretty much that

[spice surge]

If theres scrolls for bs, fort and arcane int why isnt there for the debuff

[lethal heart]

reasons

[dark crag]

Why has the easiest, most played and good at everything class a 5% magic debuff? That is the question

[lethal heart]

🤷

[spice surge]

Its not like rogues are bad anyway. We can cover all damage patterns well and have good defensive options

So its fine 🤷

[lethal heart]

its just the principle

tbh

[spice surge]

Assuming feint works (damn mother wall)

[lethal heart]

of giving class 5% something

to then have excuse

that during wf race every class was present

and then shaman gets a great

OMEGALUL

[zealous lily]

demon hunter practically has feint against magic damage baseline

all the time, passive

[lethal heart]

10% less magic damage taken

and they have up to what

35% leech?

[zealous lily]

they also have leeching poison baseline, all the time, and it gets improved during their giant offensive CD which is one of the best offensive CDs in the game.

[lethal heart]

thats pretty solid

[zealous lily]

that offensive CD also has an aoe stun baked in

[lethal heart]

dh is pretty strong all around class ye

[dark crag]

But they sacrificed everything

[lethal heart]

can do cleave/st/burst aoe/lackluster sustained aoe i guess

is the only weakness

[zealous lily]

only thing DH doesn't have are dots and usually they might be a little bit behind on ST sometimes but not meaningfully

[lethal heart]

its not even that lackluster

it's just ok

[zealous lily]

yea

[spice surge]

Best offensive cd in the game???