I know it does but I cna't find it
#assassination
marsh bloom
pearl mountain
I remember seeing a sim just a while ago where IB simmed higher
marsh bloom
oh foujnd it
spice surge
@dusky tinsel IB does far more damage than envenom
On a target that can be stunned ofc
spice surge
With my setup, damage per execute of kidney is around 30k, whereas envenom is around 20k, thats not factoring in the energy either
Iron wire is the prefered talent for pushing and doing hard content, IB if you want damage and speed
dusky tinsel
No ones arguing that IB is bad, but to use Kidney without the purpose of utility and just for the bleed is incorrect
wary ice
@spice surge does ib need to stun to do damage?
spice surge
Yes
marsh bloom
I just simmed more with IB
wary ice
til
wary ice
you simmed 2 damage more
slim olive
dusky tinsel
Your html report doesn't show because of how large your sim is, but I guarantee you that boss dps doesn't change based on your utility row. Its just simming different iterations with your setup. You wouldn't use IB on a boss so it doesn't matter.
spice surge
🤷 Not within margin of error but still really close, just choose whatever you prefer
Also here is the difference if you would fight something you could stun
dusky tinsel
Yeah Idk of a situation you'd take IW in uldir tbh
spice surge
Thus 0.3% is not within margin of error
normal spear
exs in your report is -0.3% which is not margin
marsh bloom
never gonna be able to do exsg in raid 😦
normal spear
lol, it's 60 dps difference
i don't believe that 60 dps will change anything. if you want to try it - do it
dusky tinsel
lower your kill time to 2-3 mins for shorter fights and see, exsang usually wins out on parsing fights with fast kill times. Super gear dependent though.
errr sim time*
dusky tinsel
yeah then TB is usually going to be best, depends on the content you're doing. But for M Uldir I haven't taken exsang at all, only in M+
marsh bloom
Using TB envenom should be your top damage right?
dusky tinsel
if you're not using anything with SS traits then maybe? I'd imagine melee would be close too
ionic charm
Depends on traits. Sometimes its melee, sometimes its garrote (if still using subterfuge) sometimes it's envenom. There's better ways to tell how you're playing than by which damaging ability is first
zinc zephyr
Always PB in Temple?
dusky tinsel
Usually @zinc zephyr there's not really any situation that CT is better for temple
unless you're pulling the entire dungeon
hehe
marsh bloom
Would it be worth it to bring IB instead of IW for tos?
dusky tinsel
personal preference, you're going to kidney the 'drain' cast but the tripple garrote with extended silence on the 3 sethrak that cast 'greater healing potion' and whatever else you pull in that room with vanish + 3x garrotes might give you more utility. Depends on your tank and how big you're pulling.
untold cargo
Guys what do you prefer for M+ and why: TB or Exsang
stable pine
@untold cargo honestly its not that much different at all so just go with whatever you prefer - I really like TB
untold cargo
it sims better any way i slice it
thats why im curious why people take exsang
also slapping dummies it does more dps so yeah
cleave and 1 dummie
sturdy python
Exsang Sims better for me with 2 ss, plus I like it more
Also, exsang can be better for certain prio add timers
shell zealot
CT this week? jumping in a key +16, and havent read on the affixes
untold cargo
thats odd bc i sim better with TB in all scenarios but i dont have galecallers
depends, your tank will be kiting most likely with necrotic so yea
PB won't be stood in much
shell zealot
roger ❤
marsh bloom
Must be nice to have all the gear you want :/
ionic charm
hey it only took me 105 days to get 385s in all the pieces i wanted
just in time for me to not be concerned with gear for a month
but the 385 shrine helm is the greatest thing in the world
ionic charm
well soon it will only take 6-9 weeks to get one piece you want. So you can get all the pieces you want just in time for them to be worthless again
polar forge
Just the usual blizzard memes
scenic nacelle
Double SS sims better with exg for me but I wish I had some DD pieces to play around with because I like TB a bit better
stable pine
So we missed out on timing a +16 KR by 45seconds last night. After the run I realized that my poisons had ran out just before the start of the last boss. Any WA for poisons please hahaha
polar forge
Isn’t it on use haste? Pop it right before exsang more dot tics
I never got a gale callers -sigh
But I played sub all xpack I didn’t need it 😃
untold cargo
more tics... but if the dot does 24k dmg overall... more ticks is actually increasing this number net?
lol im same as you
polar forge
More ticks= more dmg
untold cargo
hate vectis with sub tho
and that wont represent in tool tip?
thats very confusing
if a dot does 24k dmg (represented by base, agi, mastery, etc)
and haste is somehow increasing this dmg by 'more tics' thats confusing as fuck
found the info on it, pretty nuts
dense forum
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
shell zealot
Waycrest+15, ct with 2xss and 1 AOT?
ionic charm
archive isnt necessary like raid unless you really don't have a better trait
but ct for sure
strange python
Wouldn't take CT if you're not doing huge pulls
echo night
Wtf, this dungeon slice fightstyle is wack, saying that haste is by far my best stats with exhang and CT :S
I though crit mastery was the way to go?
normal spear
it also includes a boss fight in it if i'm not mistaken
echo night
So i should ignore the haste value then on affixes such as fortified and heavy trash dungeons i guess
sick eagle
does wound poison give the same energy overall as deadly?
ruby idol
@shell zealot yes
velvet kernel
Just don’t use dungeon slice
hollow stone
I would heavily advise against using wound poison in any situation. But afaik, yes, it gives the same energy regen
Both wound n deadly have 30% proc chance @sick eagle
sick eagle
need it for fetid adds
spice surge
No you dont
It should die before it heals
And you sacrificing 20% of your damage when warriors and hunters can do it for free is stupid
Even if you would need it
sullen pagoda
going wound poison is really not the play lul
lethal heart
they have 50% chance to be applied
wound/deadly
envenom gives you additional 30% i think
lusty gale
Is garrote rupture garrote really better than garrote garrote rupture opening?
with subterfuge and shrouded suffocation that is
tropic shadow
2 unique dots
strange python
On tasty’s question, could you elaborate why?
tropic shadow
venomous wounds passive most likely
short pivot
Extra tick of empowered garrote before pandemic cap
lusty gale
but if you double garrote right away you get the extra duration or are those not the same thing?
spice surge
But you get it 1 second earlier
If you do it twice in a row
and the rupture duration is irrelevanat
lusty gale
I see thanks
i for whatever reason thought that rupture dmg is also increased during subterfuge....
short pivot
And after vanish for instance you dont have to always double garrote, if your rupture is nearing pandemic mark you can also g>r>g
Or envennom if youre capping cp
Only double garrote with 0 cp after vanish id say even idk might be wrong
frail current
if i exsanguite do i have to let the dots run out after?
tropic shadow
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
quasi pewter
yes @frail current
obsidian ridge
is it worth to hold toxic blade under any circumstances?
short pivot
Yes a bit to refresh bleeds and pump those envenoms in during the window only
vapid turtle
Sub is necessary for fetid unless you’re on mutated mass. If you’re on mass, just play whatever. It’s a Patchwerk fight at that point.
strange python
Guide literally says use TB on CD
sterile iris
why do we not have a passive called pandemic boys?
random scroll
they will soon remove it because it's not a knowledge everyone has 🤔
ornate forum
plush oasis
Does anyone here have insight as to why Shrouded Suffocation is still a top tier trait for a lot of logs? My other traits sim significantly better at the same ilvl so I'm not sure what I should actually be using.
spice surge
Because everybody has different stats and setups, thus some people get SS simming above the others
plush oasis
So I should still follow the sim in this case?
It's just if I have a particular setup, Shrouded Suffocation WILL sim higher?
velvet kernel
Just follow sims
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
haughty lily
!wa
plush oasis
Then to me that raises another question. In a two target scenario, do I use vanish garrote separately from vendetta just to get that second target cleave?
Considering the second target does not happen at a good time.
plush oasis
Always? Even if it misses cleave at another time?
plush oasis
Example being mythic taloc (I know, easy boss doesn't matter etc), what if I have vanish available when there are two adds on the elevator, but no vendetta?
Just to give a vague idea what I'm talking about.
Well actually nvm
They share the same cd so I don't see why this would actually be a legit issue.
spice surge
Sometimes you can hold your vanish for an add spawn, but then you also hold vendetta, you want them synced (for example mythrax mythic)
plush oasis
Crap example. Towards the end of the elevator one add may still be up while the next spawns. Not enough health for me to worry about that cleave.
Just wanted to explain what I was talking about.
But it sounds like I should just keep doing what I'm doing.
lavish spruce
when do you guys choose to use Ex/CT instead of TB/PB in M+?
spice surge
There is no such thing as comboing the 2 together
The synergy between the talents is so small that it doesnt matter
You almost always run exsang in dungeons because the best trait is shrouded (which synergizes with exsang)
and then you pick CT/PB depending how big you pull in the dungeon
CT if you're pulling lots of large packs, PB for boss and small packs
lavish spruce
ah i was watching musclebrah do a +19's all day with ex/ct so I didnt know. Ive personally always used TB/PB so didnt know if I was missing anything
got it ok, i dont have any shrouded yet just 1x archive and 2x double dose
twilit elk
What’s the catch with sub rogue on mythic zul ? Like do I need to play sub or will ass be good
strange python
Sub
spice surge
twilit elk
Is it something specific about sub though? Like what do I need to learn to do it that way lol
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
glacial steppe
I feel like being on the big add on Fetid is actually a overall dps loss but maybe Im just doing it wrong lol
frail escarp
exsang / crimson > toxic blade/poison bomb in every scenario for m+?
strange python
no
warm zinc
strange python
g-r-g
dense forum
have a haste and crit cap for assassin ?
tribal marlin
no real cap but you need 34% crit to have 51% chance of getting at least 3 cp with mutilate and I noticed than haste recently fall behind all other stat when I reached 20% (30% in uldir)
tall radish
hey guys new to assass here, are you only supposed to envenom at 5cp? or can you do it at 4cp to avoid wasting points
civic palm
4CP+
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->
tall radish
thanks 😃
civic palm
Any other questions do please feel free to ask :3
tall radish
in all honesty i play tanks, i was just asking for a friend who is weary of discord for some reason. i have told them to join if they have any more questions haha
vapid moth
To be fair there are reasons to be weary
upper island
how strong is DD looking in 8.1?
vapid turtle
Opinion question: Given that DiTB and GCB sim better than in game scenarios, how much dps makes it worth it to use them? Taking archive and a non-GCB trinket sims about 18.5. DiTB and GCB sim about 18.9. Is the "can't get full value" amount more or less than 400 dps? Thoughts?
lost horizon
That's gonna have to be your call if you think you won't get value
Most raid bosses you should be able to hit from the back almost all the time
And GCB you have to plan around movement
If you don't think you can play around GCB, don't use it
patent topaz
raiding 2 times a week makes progress a bit slow at times, big gap between the raids. Ghuun is going down next week (I hope)
then I can take a break, m+ is a chore this expansion
quaint frost
Ghuun mythic I assume ?
The chore for me is getting 20 consistent people on a week more than once lol
I really hope the next raid is 10 man heroic legit this time not like uldir -.-
patent topaz
imagine progressing on ghuun heroic in december 😃 🔫
quaint frost
Lmao
patent topaz
we are doing mythic by the way, got to about 50% yesterday, one dunk remaining
quaint frost
I believe in you good job bro
patent topaz
need to iron out orb run timings with blood feasts
and pray our 1 man runners dont get rooted as much as they did yesterday
patent topaz
yes, but timing the dunk for array to happen as 2nd bloodfeast goes out
I run group 1 so I run again on 6th dunk and my orb runner still had the debuff for 20 seconds on a few tries
winter moss
thats normal
best way to get stacks off and ensure your tanks are not getting ripped apart by the abomination 1,2 3only for the last orb runners, 4 EVERYONE EXCEPT the last orb runner groups
patent topaz
would be nice if we had 4 warlocks present but we have been using 3 for progress, 4th wasnt available
lost horizon
What's your raid time like? 6hr/week?
patent topaz
so one side has 1 gate, a bit inconsistent
yes, 20:00-23:00 on monday and wednesday with a 10 min break at half time
winter moss
4 locks just make the whole fight cakewalk
lost horizon
Solid prog for 2night 6hr
winter moss
that for sure
lost horizon
My raid's same time but farther behind on ghuunie
patent topaz
reclear takes a lot of time, but we extending now
lost horizon
First night of ghuun I had 5 people have to step out just before+during raid
It was a nightmare
Including a lock
winter moss
dunno we killed m ghuun 2 times now and our raidlead just announced he got a new job and quits
patent topaz
4th warlock will be available on wednesday but I think raid lead wants to keep the 20 we had yesterday
so 3 lock
vapid moth
still doesnt have aotc
winter moss
5 monks or warriors
uncut marsh
Is exsan always better than TB for Uldir? Also if that’s the case should I be running exsan/shrouded suff over double dose/TB?
gusty parcel
If you macro Galecallers with Exsang will exsang get the buffed haste?
steep obsidian
frozen pecan
Is rouge still fotm?
lost horizon
@uncut marsh sim, it depends on your pieces/stats
uncut marsh
@lost horizon Thnx
lost horizon
For me exsang w/2 SS sims 100dps less than TB w/2 double dose
But only because one of the double dose is higher ilvl
fringe urchin
whats best stats guys ?
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
winter moss
but 
fringe urchin
one more ? 4 or 5 for envenom and i good
sullen tusk
Hello fellow rogues! Here is my sim atm, 1 week in after lvling 120 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aycsZb2pSErkm4kWifuSrf What items that i use atm would you guys suggest to replace/focus on first? I am aware that i would want archive for uldir ofc. Please just ask/explain what you think. 😃
digital shore
Hello fellas. I've seen multiple people saying exsang snapshots. I tried googling for a clear answer but I'm not sure what it means. I have a fairly good idea I think but I'm not sure. If possible could you tell me what it does and what I need to look out for to make the most use of it?
bronze kelp
snapshot means that at the time you cast the spell, it snapshots the stats you have and doesnt change when certain buffs fall off
e.g. when you have your subterfudge empowered garrotte + rupture on your target and have troll racial berserking + galecallers running and then cast exsang, you have the benefit of full haste for the entire duration although berserking and galecaller fall of earlier
rough phoenix
wut, If I sim stats weight, mastery is my nr1 on ST, default settings, 5m patchwork
dry thicket
You probably dont have a lot of mastery
high siren
hey, how many pulls should we expect to need on mythrax for a first kill ?
heavy trail
30-40
high siren
not more? 😮
winter moss
more like 60-70 but depends on how many days you are raiding and how good your team is
high siren
okay, so the nerf was pretty strong on him?
winter moss
breaking down everything considered yes
heavy trail
We are a 2 day Guild did him with 27 pulls on 2 days with slightly changing lineup on 2nd day
winter moss
we had him on 0.5% after wipe 7 but that was pre nerf
winter moss
if you are raiding sun/mon 3hrs you probably down him
high siren
oh, okay, didnt think he was so easy now
rough phoenix
so I need mastery now?
winter moss
if you are raiding thur/mon you probably will not
it's depending on how many ranges you bring and how good their positioning is
still you need to bait the add and if a ranges moves away too slowly and get another one caged you prolly will wipe if your healers arent pumping
high siren
ooookay thanks
winter moss
if this is sorted out youll floor this fucker in the following 5-10 tries
@rough phoenix bit more mastery and you gucci
and maybe get an uldir azerite piece
bronze kelp
@rough phoenix is that your raid gear?
winter moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pJJzWoD6S1Tsgk8zHa6Yw9 dis is what the uldir piece does
bronze kelp
thats what i thought, saw no uldir azerite on your gear XD
normal spear
@sullen tusk just get an archive/laser matrix asap (for uldir). apart from that your gear is really good in terms of stats. but if you run m+, then things are a bit different
but i mean, how are you gonna focus on anything in bfa? everything is random, so just get higher ilvl gear
red portal
The best way to simulate top gear for M+ is 4 Patchwerks for 1min without any buffs?
sullen tusk
@normal spear ty for answer
normal spear
there is a new option - dungeon slice, use it
red portal
True, didnt see that. Thank you
digital shore
@bronze kelp Thanks for the explanation on snapshot 😃
Does EP snapshot as well then?
lone junco
normal spear
so, only stat buffs can snapshot? all of them?
vast forum
Exsg only snapshots haste
Because of the way it's programmed, it takes your haste value at the moment you cast it and doubles it
normal spear
hm, interesting to know. thanks
sturdy python
Exsang snapshotting haste is an exception to the rule. It's not normally how dots work.
Except for feral I guess
crude bay
What guild you in @winter moss if you had mythrax on 0.5% after 7 wipes
patent topaz
it took us like 100 wipes because someone fucked up every try
killed him 1st time we got to last p1
winter moss
one that doesnt raid anymore, our raidlead announced yesterday that it's over
@red portal
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
winter moss
or 6 bosses 40 secs
winter moss
yeah lucky punch with 1tank alive after orbs
after that we had 68wipes around 40%
7wipes > 5%
another wipe at 0.3%
there was absolutly no good about this boss
signal summit
We downed him in 3h so mabye 20-30 whipes pre nerf
Get a lucky try and as soon as u reach P3 with all alive it's kill
crude bay
But at 10 array stacks or?
20-30 wipes is pretty sick prenerf when top guilds used triple that yeah, but ofc at 1 array stack nd a lot lower gear
red portal
!m+
prisma monolithBOT
Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.
robust sage
hey guys had a qute long rogue break. do you still play around ep like envenoming 0,2 secs before it expires ?
no hate but the ravenholdt guide feels like it lacks a bit in depth 😃
spark grail
Yes you do, with the amount of haste you can get now after like 380 ilevel you can pool energy and chain 3-5 together depending on crits with mutilate
robust sage
alright thanks. and we delay vendetta abit for the 2nd vanish ? feels bad not to do it with ss
winter moss
Since the first vanish is used a bit later than vendetta you’ll have to delay it for a bit. The only exception to this is when you only have time to squeeze in 1 more vendetta and delaying it would cause you to lose 1 cast
flint swift
winter moss
does this have to do somethin with the spec?
robust sage
yeah thats what i was meaning @winter moss . felt kinda obvious but just wanted to confirm it
so its about 25secs delay of vendetta which feels wasteful aswell tho
winter moss
yeah if you know how long this fight will go and if you feel like you could squeeze in another vendetta in the last ~30sec dont delay
2 vendettas are better than one
robust sage
yeah for sure
i never thought id say it but i wish theyd bring agonizing poison back
xd
toxic blade feels way worse just spamming it on cd
winter moss
i somehow feel the same but otherwise i dont
robust sage
being the tunnelbot was actually quite funny
winter moss
i often play exsang bc it fits in better
robust sage
yeah exsang always has been the most enjoyable for me
i loved helya back then with exsang and bracers
winter moss
with exsang you dont have to stick to the boss
just be back to refresh debuffs
IF you have to move
robust sage
it has a bit more depth to it aswell
i mean toxic blade doesnt feel very smooth imo. using25 energy and a gcd every 25 secs idk
if it wouldnt be so braindead i would like it i guess
btw anyone having the problem that sometimes even tho u use mutilate the char randomly envenoms ?
happened to me as outlaw aswell. might be an issue of spellqueue ?
normal spear
happened to me. try lowering /console SpellQueueWindow [value]
winter moss
probably spellQ to smol and buttonmashing
normal spear
i use 150 or so
tulip wedge
/console SpellQueueWindow [value] lowering this means it responds faster? whats the default?
normal spear
400
winter moss
it does not mean it responds faster, spellqueue basically says how long a spell is "stored" before casting after the next gcd
tulip wedge
that might have been my issue with high haste/bloodlust, spells seem to get lost. ill try shrinking that queue thanks!
spice surge
Rogue gcd doesn't scale with haste though so its the same regardless of having bl or not
normal spear
it's more about simply pressing more buttons during bl vs no bl, so you need to react to mutiliate crits/non-crits faster
and if you fail, you queue a wrong spell
so many lost CPs on my outlaw because of that... xD
winter moss
buttonmashing does not equal moar damages
normal spear
it's personal preference. some people mash, some don't
winter moss
but the fact that you overcap cp because you could not react to crits still makes it look bad
normal spear
lack of experience with outlaw rotation makes me overcap sometimes
never happens to me with sin
winter moss
ye i know that feel, first time i played with outlaw i overcapped always during Rush
normal spear
yeah, plus the animation feels really clunky and unresponsive, hard to "go with the flow" of the rotation
quick fog
There's also a delay to the cp tooltip
Had a problem with it playing outlaw with the combo point refund ability
robust sage
i use 122 and it occurs. in legion i used sth like 50-80 and didnt have the issue. ill change it and see what happens
tacit steppe
385 ss helm pog
echo night
Gief -- last ss piece at 385 im missing --
thorny shore
gg boyz
obsidian finch
it still worth running garrote traits on lower ilvl gear for m+,?
tacit steppe
winter moss
jelly
tacit steppe
still tough almost 100 days into bfa still stuck with 370 weaps xD
velvet jolt
only shrouded head that i have is 315 feelsbadman
fast bison
no ss head :/
tacit steppe
whats troll is i finally just made an all leather group yesterday to get the 340 version, open box and get 385 today lol
velvet jolt
gratz lol i wish id have that
fast bison
In this week (tyranical) is worth to run 3SS over "single target traits" ?
obsidian finch
how bad will you suffer with no SS
raven mica
Is archive even a good trait in M+?
light rampart
That spell que thing. Damn that’s going to safe me some combo points. Thanks guys
hollow junco
archive is a great trait in M+, it tends to stay at high or max stacks
SS still better results overall
wary ice
Max archive is a little over 2 targets ruptured w/ scent of blood
spice surge
Or slightly less than 2 SoB if you have the +5 ilvl trait
keen pumice
need suggestions - should i go double dose + 2 ss traits for m+ OR double dose + ss + archive?
hollow junco
SS > archive
keen pumice
15s-16s keys, if relevant
hollow junco
situations in mythic+ where that's not true are rare enough that you're safe just erring on the side of SS
wary ice
I'll be doing dd + 2ss this week probably
keen pumice
thank you 👍
nova pagoda
starting mythic g'huun prog tonight any tips?
stone fable
I don’t have my haste stacked high yet, but so far just in testing my exang build pulls a bunch under poison blade. I feel like my exang usage has always been off though. What does a multi target pull in an m+ look like for exang usage?
wary ice
Exsang the priority and continue your AoE as normal, letting bleeds on priority die before reapplication
🔫
spice surge
Yeah gief helmets, i havent gotten a single 385 helm from anything yet, the only reason i have one currently is because i managed to get 1 trophy from my pvp chest
So anytime im not raiding, my 390 dd gets replaced by some 375
hollow mica
fresh ginkgo
only have 385 from vectis
but i got 385 sob from todays chest
so i guess thats ok
old oyster
Is it ok to envenom at 4cp in pve?
spice surge
Yes
keen inlet
Regarding that convo I purged--nationality of a jerk you met once or a million times in M+ isn't relevant to #assassination and doesn't belong anywhere, least of all spec channels.
Why this continues to be such an advanced concept is beyond me. Spec channels are for SPEC DISCUSSION. Rogue-general is for rogue discussion that doesn't fit a spec necessarily. Off-Topic is where you go to chat, hang out, meme, whatever. This is in the rules.
devout glen
hey guys are u running tb/pb for this week or still going with ct/exsang
normal spear
it's not about spec, but about whether your group plays around sub rogue
marble hemlock
probably one of the worst sub weeks
but as tisu said, it depends a lot on the dungeon
light schooner
Hey guys I have a question about our aoe as assassination. I’m just really confused on what to do. Do I just spam garrote/rupture on everything?
quick fog
Maintain garrote, crimson tempest if you take it, rupture enough things for you to maintain energy then env if you have time
light schooner
Okay thanks
quick fog
I normally find that if I take CT I won't have time to ENV.
pliant prism
On a big packs it's no use to envenom, just spam ct 🦉
quick fog
CT too good 💪
round harbor
nokiting this week, i might go Pb for a majority
we shall see
going a shit load more haste aswell
fresh ginkgo
i dont run ct anymore atm
my crit is way too low
dont have any real pieces with loads of crit above 370
steel terrace
guys can someone explaing me how stat weight works? and what should i look at to understand if im balancing properly my secondary stats?
thats the sim i've done now, my stats % are:
crit: 23% ( 942 )
haste: 20 % ( 1340 no food)
mastery: 30% (703)
vers: 1% ( 73)
my goal atm is raid stats
round harbor
basically for you gear ilvl > stats
why are you simming no bufs though
just sim optimal
steel terrace
il run it again, 2 mins
what i mean is, how do i know if my haste is over crits exc? by just looking the percentage?
plain thistle
@steel terrace you sim stats weight, if haste number is higher than crit, haste is better for you 🤔
its pretty intuitive
quick fog
I usually run MA with CT so I can G FoK CT. But I'm the ST class in my groups so I'm not bent on taking sub SS.
steel terrace
what i understand from stat weight is that Actually my stats does an amount of DPS, and from the last one is strange that vers is in second place cuz i have it just in 1 weapon
new sim
with optmal buffs
plain thistle
yeah, basically for you 1 point of versa will increase your dps by 2.08
quick fog
So the stat weight isn't showing you which stat is doing the most currently
It shows you how much it would increase per stat.
But it always changes when you readjust.
round harbor
and changes qwuite a bit
general rule for raid haste > crit > mastery=vers
it changes at extrmee levels of haste, but dont worry about that
normal spear
stat weights are just general guidelines. don't look at them that much
better just use top gear section on raidbots.com
round harbor
for raid specific
steel terrace
then i was thinking, the string i import in pawn
what it does?
it guides me to an optimal stat distribution?
asa i find new items
round harbor
pawn is kinda useless
like your weights will change slightly after every piece of gear you equip
strange python
how is it useless
round harbor
imo it has no value?
for me if a piece of gear isnt max titanforge or has a socket its not an upgrade
so i find no value in it. others may though
steel terrace
but what it does? for example i copy the string from my last sim and import in pawn. then pawn tecnically tells me when i find and equip that could give me better stats for my raid dps stat balancing?
strange python
You import the string
round harbor
yes
strange python
And it says if a gear piece is an upgrade or not
round harbor
it tells your what is best accordingh to your raidbots sim stat weights
strange python
You should always sim if its 5% or less
round harbor
but equipping that new item may shift, so that its not actually better
steel terrace
ok, so if i sim for m+ the pawn string will give me best option for m+ equips
steel terrace
oh ok
round harbor
m+ gearing is 90% feelycrafting and 10% doing what works for your group
strange python
I'd recommend getting up to 16% haste if you don't have galecaller and then distributing rest of stats between crit and mastery
wide mountain
What's the 16% haste got to do with it?
round harbor
yeah im at 19% haste this week, but i need to fiddle around and see how i lkike it a little
strange python
16% haste is what I find optimal in m+
round harbor
on fort weeks i go 4% haste
strange python
Yeah but with galecaller right
round harbor
hell no. dogshit trinket lol
strange python
what
round harbor
what
strange python
Why is it dogshit
wide mountain
Feelycrafdting is all fine and all but why recommend something that's not been proven effective?
round harbor
doomwake/harlans
its dogshit cause it only has value if you can stand still, and single target
wide mountain
Have you compare the same key with same group with 2 different set of gear?
round harbor
which is almost never
strange python
It has a lot of value even if u get that snapshot for exsang
round harbor
would rather pop a trinket that i can move freely, that gives mainstat which is high value in aoe and st
exsang snapo shot in aoe is not worth useing that trinket
over a on use primary trinket with no conditions to use
strange python
It gives you a lot of regen at the start?
Thus you can spread ruptures faster > more energy > more abilities
round harbor
i mean im not gonna change your mind so you do you
but im telling you unless the gcb is mega TF its not as good
at an equal ilvl
quick fog
I definitely agree. I hate playing GCB but mine is 25 ilvl higher >.>
round harbor
vs what
quick fog
Lions Guide/Doomswake
Guile*
370 vs 395
I definitely switch depending on fights and stuff
strange python
There are so many trinkets above dooms wake
quick fog
What
round harbor
lol
quick fog
It's the literal besttrinket
strange python
m+
round harbor
🅾 🇴 🇫
quaint flare
anyone have mouseover tricks
strange python
Sure its bis for raids but im talking about m+
quick fog
Gcb only gets in an edge in M+ because of the low CD being good for trash
round harbor
yeah in m +
quick fog
But most weeks you kite the trash
round harbor
primary on use
quick fog
So gcb is still weird
round harbor
gcb has no value in trash lol
tropic shadow
It’s value drops significantly when your targets force you to move, and that happens pretty often
round harbor
or very little comparativly
round harbor
or a pvp trinket is even better, but yeah i dont have one
fluid drift
GCB is amazing for short boss fights with exsang though, so it def has a lot of value on tyrannical weeks
tropic shadow
You will get so much energy from multidot
round harbor
a 2 minute on use trinket again, gets more value on tyran weeks since you will get 2 ssets of cd's per boss
quick fog
TB also sims better for me even on MT so I dont use Exs/GCB
round harbor
unless your doing like +5s
tropic shadow
And the DW trinket pairs perfectly with vendetta which should be used throughout the dungeon trash PLUS it has passive mastery
round harbor
dh in my guild got a 395 one that he doesnt even use cause its shit for them apparently
tropic shadow
I’d give it a run, I see high keys run by people with 345 SS armor
quick fog
That's just because of high application rate.
round harbor
thats just flawless mostly
lucid carbon
on miffic g'huun. What talents and traits do you usually go for?
quick fog
The trinket stats won't scale as well as SS
round harbor
more people are running double SS since they are easy to get shoudler/chest and archive in head or SoB in head
tropic shadow
I’m not claiming it to be better but it’s worth verifying the performance of both
quick fog
Ease of use may just be good enough honestly
What's it matter if it's better if it doesn't work
chilly elm
im stuck between double SS + archive and double DD + archive for ST bosses. I see most rogues with double SS.
strange python
Raid?
chilly elm
yeah
strange python
Sim it?
round harbor
because double SS is super easy to get at 375+
chilly elm
i have, double DD comes out 0.5% higher, but i know there used to be some funkiness with SS in sims
strange python
uh
tropic shadow
After spending most time in m+ I highly prefer the SS + Exsang play style
strange python
play what u prefer then
chilly elm
is there any custom APL's for sin that yall regularly used? ive been browsing around but didnt see any
strange python
Wait how much do u sim with double DD
chilly elm
19k double DD and 18.8 double SS
nimble tartan
Id forsure put on 2 dd in st
strange python
thats not 0,5%
chilly elm
well thats a rough rounding, its more like 18.8k SS and 18.97 DD
strange python
Play what u want then if u dont care about minmaxing
chilly elm
i do, was just double checking that im not overlooking anything in the sims and with seeing 90% of ranked parses with double SS instead of double DD
but tyvm
strange python
SS will have more value if there are more targets in a fight
Allowing you to pad with 3x garroting
Like vectis and the add that spawns every 30 seconds or so
chilly elm
right
strange python
Yeah SS + TB on vectis is best combo
chilly elm
ooohhhh ive been doing exsang and it lines up reasonably okay but its still off
strange python
You don't need to necessarily play with exsang when you have SS in raids
chilly elm
ST its been simming higher for me until i just got my 2nd DD, but i can see how its better on some fights with more frequent usage
exsang simmed higher* can see TB on some fights*
untold cargo
I literally can't get exsang to sim higher than TB even with my new galecallers lol
is there any info on how to use galecallers properly, like do bleeds that have already been applied benefit from it?
chilly elm
yeah idk, my exsang has always has a slight lead over TB throughout majority of tier
strange python
@untold cargo Bleeds are dynamic
They're gonna tick faster if u pop galecaller mid fight
untold cargo
thats nice
strange python
Only thing that snapshots is exsang
untold cargo
would be a bit of a headache worrying about that
so confused as to why exsang underperforms in my sims
wonder what stat is doing that
scenic nacelle
depends on the ilvl of your SS probably
prisma monolithBOT
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untold cargo
any of these have galecallers in them?
strange python
Idk look
chilly elm
i wonder if double SS is worth on fetid if i could vanish double garrote on fetid + mutated mass
untold cargo
thx @fresh ginkgo
chilly elm
prob not over raw ST
round osprey
Idk, if you're trying to parse...
chilly elm
yeah just parsing, not prog
round osprey
Fetid is taking so much extra damage after 50%
Does your guild only kill 2 eggs then nuke?
2 sets that is
chilly elm
yeah
round osprey
I have to imagine double dose would beat out SS in a pure 50% lust burn
chilly elm
so really id only get 1 double garrote off anyways bc vanish isnt up for 2nd add
prob not worth at all
spice surge
?? SS is burst
DD is overall damage
If you want to do damage during lust SS is definitely better
But also, parsing on fetid is pretty lul
round osprey
I'd have to look on how long that phase actually lasts tbh
spice surge
People have started doing strats where they kill the first small eggs and leave the big one up
round osprey
then it would be an easy sim I guess
spice surge
And they get him below 50% to get debuff
Let him heal and then kill him before second eggs
chilly elm
lol
and yeah its silly to parse fetid, but its my 2nd lowest at 90 and want to get it up before my guild spams lockout until ghuun
spice surge
or if it was during the second eggs i cant remember, but the point is that they get a lot of time with the 50% dmg buff up
chilly elm
prob 2nd eggs, id be impressed if people were burning after 1st before 2nd set comes out a minute later
round osprey
I got a 99 last week, but I didn't really cheese. I guess just good debuff management during the burn phase? I agree that parsing on that fight is a joke though
Depending on where your guild tank the boss, being on the big add can be quite the damage increase. Minimal movement and double dot'ing
chilly elm
also, i think my guilds raid dmg is low overall. i see a lot of these parses on much shorter encounter lengths than ours
i double dot but only the first like 5 secs of adds spawning
bc then he moves
round osprey
Can you pm me your log?
scenic nacelle
Gunna get a feel for 390DD 390 SS tonight after raiding with 2xSS for 3 weeks or so
wary ice
Is ct worth taking on tyranical weeks? My tank often pulls big, depending on affix / dungeon, and with tricks skittish wont stop that. I'm just debating if the loss on at is worth faster trash
raven mica
I just default to poison bomb all the time tbh.
round osprey
most that I see even change to Haste/Crit gear
Then again, unless you are using poison bomb perfectly, it's only ~10% behind CT
raven mica
Remember back in legion when sin was a more RNG spec than outlaw was
round osprey
I would still take CT on tyrannical weeks in every dungeon except KR and temple
untold cargo
anyone have a galecallers weak aura?
tried this https://wago.io/BJ9g3ES_7
but only shows when it is in use
untold cargo
thx, i suck at this shit
round osprey
It's for your trinket slot, that way it is interchangeable with a pvp trinket. not sure if this is what you're looking for
untold cargo
exactly what im looking for thx
nova pagoda
i have 2 DD and Ma sims higher but i feel suberfuge and SS whould be better still for mythic ghuun right?
strange python
nova pagoda
i know i looked at logs but theres outliners with people running 2DD ma so i was asking even though it sims higher what do you all think would it be worth to run sub and ss or just stay DD for last phase
old oyster
What are some good weakauras for ass?
nimble tartan
People dont really have luxury of choice this deep in
shy blaze
I know for the most part our dots are dynamic now, but does galecallers snapshot for exang? I feel like I heard that before but was unsure
spice surge
@nova pagoda All that matters (in terms of damage requirements) for G'huun is p3
nimble tartan
Its easier to get ss in raid
spice surge
Which is purely ST
nimble tartan
So u see people running ss
spice surge
So just follow your sims
nimble tartan
Ss good for parse on ghuun for p1
spice surge
So is scent of blood and fok traits
nimble tartan
Shouldnt matter tho
molten moon
I'm not sure @shy blaze but would like to know as well
spice surge
Yes, exsang snapshots the current haste you have when you use it for the rest of the sped-up dots
spice surge
But in practice it doesnt really matter much
spice surge
390 is generally better than 375 yes
dense quest
higher ilvl
hazy geyser
how reliable is the dungeon M+ sim on raidbots?
round osprey
Are you trying to sim AoE?
spice surge
Its decent
hazy geyser
well with that new head piece i am resimming everything
spice surge
But its not gonna be 100% accurate
hazy geyser
raid single target raid AOE and M+
spice surge
As it depend on your group, how you pull etc
round osprey
If it's azerite, it's going to be pretty straight forward
Eleem is right though, depends on how your group pulls
a +12 key will function quite differently from a +20
molten moon
sorry for the rookie question, but im assuming you want to use GCB and Exang on CD? that way they line up for the 2nd vendetta?
solid nova
How do I use Galecallers Boon?
-With Toxic Blade: On cooldown
-With Exsanguinate: Do NOT hold exsang for every galecaller. Use them seperately on cooldown with the exception of the third galecaller use, which you want to delay to line up with vendetta+vanish+exsang at around 2:25
As pinned
molten moon
thanks, sorry i missed it
dense quest
because I am not reforging every raid
brave rampart
Same @crude bay, its a nice middle ground of options.
In raid? Swap a piece, out of it? Swap a piece.
crude bay
Archive isnt big because of archive, and raid is what, 3 hours a week, m+ is a loooot more (depends ofcourse, if you do lots of m+)
brave rampart
wE wAnT pLaYeRs tO sPeCiAlIzE - has turned into just keep your other pieces.
buoyant coyote
and how do i change my role to sin 😡
dense quest
I thought rapture is a priest ability
brave rampart
Uptime is really important but remember sometimes its okay to drop a bleed here or there.
scenic nacelle
DansGame
lapis trail
hey all. What type of pvp talents should I be going for? in terms of normal talents and pvp talents
brave rampart
Energy starved I'd wager.
lapis trail
I know pvp talents are different depending on matchup
buoyant coyote
yea i drop it when switching >.<
lapis trail
but the general ones
brave rampart
Consider vanishing Brightlight when the phase transition happens and the caster comes out. Dot the boss up, swap to add, then use that energy regen to efficiently dot up the others.
Sometimes I find with how heavy the AoE is in my raid that I cant even get my dots up in time for it to matter
So I just single target plow the caster.
Give it a try.
Also while Poison Bomb is our bread and butta, some people have had good results with Tempest.
Try it out and see if you like it.
Also swap off internal bleeding, the 10% buff for everyone else when you stun an add equates to better raid wide damage.
Helps nuke adds to have a free extra 10% all damage buff on it.
Ya greedy butt 😉
spice surge
If everybody nukes it yeah, but if people are just cleaving IB could def be better
"
buoyant coyote
messed up my opener
molten moon
Only 15 TB casts seems light?
Man, my M+ sim is saying run TB with 2xSS traits and poison bomb over Exang and CT. RIP https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gUscf2Dt8aUn6GF9CfthNJ
round osprey
You did
brave rampart
DPS loss is under .2% @molten moon Its not that much of a loss 😛
molten moon
0.2% is 0.2%!!!
molten moon
I wonder how that sim factors in Archive....if it keeps stacks
brave rampart
Think it does a ramp.
So if you chain pull into stuff it gets more value.
(Because who doesnt chain pull)
round osprey
You used vendetta on a Nerubian Voidweaver?
brave rampart
o o f
buoyant coyote
should I save vendetta for add phase feels like im doing well without it soi can use it on cd
untold cargo
you guys always holding your exsanguinate 15 seconds for next gale callers?
that way it always lines up with next vendetta etc
wary ice
its in the pins; but use them separately and hold only the 3rd is the summary
untold cargo
nice thx
wary ice
thank richard
molten moon
whats the typical rotation for a 5+ mob pull in M+? triple garr from stealth, CT, FOV to rupture everyone, then reapply garrote/rupture and vendetta on focus? Basically, do you wait to vendetta/exang until all mobs are ruptured?
wary ice
Depends on the pull
triple gar ->CT -> FOK to 4-5 rupture main target Vendeta exsang works in anything with 3-4+ targets with a priority mob.
I dont really bother reapplying garrotes until the pull drops to ~2-3 targets, and just focus on spreading ruptures for SoB
refreshing CT whenever its about to drop
molten moon
I guess my question is when do you rupture/vendetta/exang the priority target during the pull? After you spread ruptures on most of the pack or before?
wary ice
You spread rupture to supplement energy generation, so you get the most out of vendetta by applying it as early as possible
gray crest
so i somehow got agility to be my 3rd worst stat for assassin lol
wary ice
if you wait till you're energy capping anturally you're ignoring the 60/3 it provides
molten moon
is it:
triple gar -> CT -> ruptures all mobs -> combo priority target
or
triple gar -> CT -> combo priority target -> rupture all targers
sounds good
wary ice
I do triple garrote -> ct -> fok->rupture Priority -> vendetta -> exsang->spread ruptures
im sure there are cleaner ways to do it though
I dont think reapplying garrotes w/o vanish or otherwise a stealth reset is worth it
molten moon
aren't you wasting some of vendetta's potential by not mutilating/envenoming the target during vendetta, but instead spreading ruptures after you vendetta
wary ice
probably
I'm not sure the damage lost on the rest of the pull is worth the priority target damage gained.
I refer back to my original statement, it depends on the pull
wary ice
Like that first pull after 1st boss in shrine
Spreading ruptures is wasted cause the small adds I'm not even sure are elites.
I would focus on ST damage there
But on something like the pull before goldgirl boss in atal
I'm just spreading as much damage as i can
A less ambigious exmaple would be the spotter packs in Seige
AoEing the snipers doesnt do much if you're dropping bombs on them like you're suppoed to. just focus on ST the spotter
In general though, if the pull has 3+ things triple garrote to CT fok to 4-5, rupture is a pretty solid catch-all opener
molten moon
yeah, each pull is different for sure
on the council boss in Freehold....is the opener garrote 1st boss, garrote 2nd boss, garrote 1st boss again, mutilate to 4-5, rupture first boss, vendetta exang?
wary ice
quick aside, whos our friend this week?
I garrote focus boss, then non-focus, then focus again, then i burn CP into a rupture on focus
wary ice
You're doin good fam 😃
hushed maple
2x 370 and 1x 345
wary ice
I use 2xss 1x sob
hushed maple
whats sob?
wary ice
scent of blood, agi on ruptures
pearl mountain
Is scent of blood only worth it for bigger pulls?
wary ice
I use it mostly cause its my only option
But SoB is ~= to full stacked Archive at 2 targets at least at 375*
pearl mountain
Interesting, thx
wary ice
archive beats it by like single digit agility
3 targets + SoB starts taking over
@molten moon: garrote 1/garrote 2/garrote 1; rupture 1; vendetta 1; exsanguinate 1; mutilate 1 to 4-5; I spread a 2nd rupture here because again i use sob, without it, i think its smarter to just envenom 1. from there focus 1 until garrote starts dying, then i vanish garrote 1/garrote1/ garrote 2
1 being eudora on most weeks, 2 being your off target
molten moon
beautiful, thanks so much
wary ice
I'm still learning Rogue, so grains of salt
I'm 900 io and this is what i do
I'm sure there are better resources out there
molten moon
you think there's any damage to gain by modifying it slightly to this:
garrote 1/garrote 2/garrote 1; rupture 1; vendetta 1;
mutilate 1 to 4-5; rupture 1 again to extend timer; exsanguinate 1;
mutilate 1 to 4-5; I spread a 2nd rupture here because again i use sob, without it, i think its smarter to just envenom 1. from there focus 1 until garrote starts dying, then i vanish garrote 1/garrote1/ garrote 2
that way you get a max rupture out of your exang?
molten moon
yeah, i have a stupid 390 headpiece with swirling sands that sims the best no matter what, so then i usually run 2x SS if our pulls are small, or 1xSS and 1xSoB if we pull 4+
wary ice
I dont know to be honest
I feel like you'd be better off just doing the standard ST opener
and just spread bleeds after your Opener
molten moon
the only reason i ask, is because a normal opener is gar->rup->gar->vendetta->mut->rup->exang
wary ice
yeah I get the concept
I think you will have more priority damage
I'm not sure if its more overall
which is why i think It'd make more sense to just open with the standard st
molten moon
right
wary ice
the more i read it the more i like it tbh
Though it might make sense to fok if you didnt get a DP proc on the off target on the garrote
civic palm
Garrote doesn't proc DP there's no physical/dmg component to the application.
wary ice
Sorry i meant from like the auto attacks when u tab target
sometimes u just get lucky like that
civic palm
👌 just making sure
wary ice
Hmm I'm rereading the guide on wowhead and it says to maintain CT on 2+ targets, refreshing only right before it falls off
dense blaze
How much do we like dagger in the back? I can't get anything to sim over it with 1 Archive/1 SS
All 390
stone fable
If running TB over Exang does envenom take priority when the TB debuff is rolling...for AoE that is? Also I feel like I'm missing some understanding of Exang somewhere, it is simming pretty close, but my actual damage tests it is 2 to 4k lower than TB.
civic palm
Sure can't 😛
stone fable
HA! all good
wary ice
😦
I havent used TB in so long i actually dont remember how i used it
I think i just spread 2-3 ruptures then pretended it was st w/ tb
I stopped cause i felt like i was playing slow sub
mental quail
At what point in the roation is it best to pop a galecallers trinket
solid nova
Pins
solid nova
📍
marble hemlock
pop galecallers before reading pins, helps you read faster
spice surge
@civic palm a thin piece of metal with a sharp point at one end and a round head at the other, used for fastening pieces of cloth, paper, etc.
civic palm
@spice surge ty ty
mental quail
with toxic blade it just says "On cooldown"
so pop on pull sounds like
after you garrote?
civic palm
SIN GUIDE HERE--> http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/ FAQ IN PINS-->
spice surge
Use it in your vendetta
mental quail
ah ok, thx eleem
dense blaze
You wouldn't use after garrote because rupture isn't up
And that is a condition of using TB
craggy needle
why is exsang more popular on vectis than other fights?
spice surge
Exsang is in general more bursty while tb is more sustained
craggy needle
maybe 2 exsangs fits into his vuln phase? idk
spice surge
and since there is a intermission where you cant use your spells, the burst tends to be better
craggy needle
idk how long he's up
spice surge
Yes you get 2 exsang every phase
craggy needle
alright, i'll try it tonight. thx
spice surge
Its around 1:25
So you can (and should) hold your exsang for galecaller on that fight
molten moon
dots are dynamic right? do you pop exang->GCB or GCB-> exang? i just got one to drop last night finally and havent used it yet
molten moon
thanks
spice surge
The haste of exsang is not*
cold meteor
^
spice surge
Doesnt matter if you refresh during galecaller or not
The only time that exsang snapshot is relevant is that you want to galecaller before exsang if they are up at the same time (which they arent most of the time)
It only cares about the haste you have exactly when you press exsang
untold current
Ok, so dots dont interact with Galecallers?
spice surge
They do, but dynamically
untold current
Got it
neat haven
so is it worth getting rid of the item i have SS on for a 1.8% increase in DPS sim? just feels bad getting rid of it...like whats the opener without SS im a lost puppy
civic palm
The guide includes openers without SS @neat haven
pulsar coral
Should I do what it says? I've never used mfd as Ass before
near current
Is blindside that bad for m ghuun? I can't see it being bad, especially on progression where execute dmg is so important, but no top rogues run it
civic palm
You would still end up using it only on proc as there's no DMG modifier for the final 20%, add on top of this that during progression you might not be hitting him 100% of the time and losing proc chances from not mutilating as much as possible.
I imagine Master Poisoner would still be better in that position.
Blindside doesn't need time to catch up with other Execute mechanics, the numbers simply are not there yet for it to win out over the EP uptime, or Master Poisoner damage.
So a longer fight isn't going to make it better, and it's not better for the burst phases as EP is the clear and obvious winner there.
near current
I guess that makes sense. I just really enjoy the blindside playstyle but never use it because of the undertuning. Ty for feedback.
Also sucks that the buff that's on PTR isn't going to make it much better
civic palm
NP, just remember that they're not like Legion bracers, they're doing their own thing.
spice surge
Its not even buffed on the ptr
It already triggers at that %, its just the tooltip that is wrong
civic palm
Yeah there's just a tooltip update/correction.
near current
Well, that blows.
civic palm
and the proc chance has already been corrected in the sims.
if there was something to correct
sterile ocean
Is gutripper or unstable flames better? i simmed both and it keeps saying there both higher then the other
tribal marlin
so about galecaller I can gcb at 3sec and then at 1mn25 so that the exsang at 1mn35 is snapshoting the haste right ?
and I still have gcb for vandetta at 2mn25
sterile ocean
and this is also on the same piece
civic palm
@tribal marlin
Yeah the intention is to line everything up @ ~2:20
Holding things for too long is going to drop uptime and uses, especially in regards to timing/etc.
This is only considering that there are not restrictions in time (the fight not lasting 2min), or there being DMG burst phases.
alpine rain
Im going to be raid testing with guild tomorrow
what traits do you guys suggest?
at the moment im looking to test x3 Nothing personal + 2x Double dose and a single Shroud
going full crit haste
spice surge
Nothing personal is bad, use double dose and shroud instead
civic palm
@sterile ocean I think it's a tossup, but I've chosen Gutripper over the other options when they are close.
sterile ocean
ah ok
civic palm
Is there access to TTK?
sterile ocean
i guess i can test on the dps dummy see what out does more
tribal marlin
yes it just that I was usually popin gcb on cd expect for vendetta@2mn25 but maybe I should pop the 2nd gcb at 1:26 so the exsang here snapshot insteed of poping it at 1:03
civic palm
Dummy DPS won't work well as Gutripper requires low HP targets.
Otherwise you lose the value from it.
civic palm
@tribal marlin So long everything is lined up for the 2:20 window make sure you are working things around the encounter mechanics and things should be fine.
If you are even thinking of doing Dummy DPS you will get better results from the SIMs. @sterile ocean
tribal marlin
ok i get it
spice surge
@alpine rain You can sim the traits by putting ptr=1 ontop of your sim, and if you want to see how to override azerite traits scroll up a bit in #tc-research
But the tl:dr is that Nothing personal is bad, actually worse than poisoned wire
sterile ocean
yeah i know @civic palm
civic palm
Nope.
spice surge
Prob on ST, not on any actual boss fight though
civic palm
SINs damage types are too versatile and flexible around mechanics to lose on bosses that do not allow abuse of mechanics.
The NRG isn't enough atm IIRC @alpine rain
sterile ocean
@civic palm i sent you what it shows
alpine rain
allright
spice surge
@near current For reference, this is how bad blindside is (with my current gear, that is using one DD, it goes down to "only" -2% if im using archives in that slot instead)
This is with the boss always being below 20% btw
near current
jesus. I knew it was bad, but didn't think it was that bad.
civic palm
Yeah the DPE ain't great.
spice surge
and it gives less combo points 😄
spice surge
Less damage per execute time and more energy per combo point
civic palm
For... 20 item levels... maybe...
spice surge
🤔
hollow stone
The dpe is better than mut. Its the cps and the gcds that suck
spice surge
But only marginally so
copper pine
Is it true that you can go in stealth as alliance with shadowmeld and get more strong garrots out ? Oo seems to be OP if its true
civic palm
Yes.
wary ice
@spice surge i always got the vibe ur supposed to use it without vigor
cause it gets free
copper pine
so its like a 2nd vanish every 2 min ? 😄 ok i will reroll to nightelf 😄
wary ice
not that it makes it good