Hmm, I'm almost half tempted to drop a 300 DPS to just play with SS/Subt đ
#assassination
faint harness
I have 385 SS, SB, DD etc but they cant beat it
I guess my character really likes crit
spice surge
@wispy wigeon Looks pretty good overall, however it seems like on some fights you're holding onto TB for a little bit too long
And thus missing casts
On some fights you've also cast a couple of ruptures during TB debuff, which isnt optimal as it should be refreshed prior so your envenoms benefit from the increased nature damage
desert vault
I make that mistake quite often myself đ
Can't decide whether to hold TB for 5s while I build CP to rupture or just smash TB and deal with it
spice surge
Use tb anyway and try to be better prepared next time đ
desert vault
pretty much, ya
strange python
You can pool before TB
desert vault
i forget to do that too! đ
strange python
You can make a WA
desert vault
not always though, that i'm better about, just forget to refresh rup/gar at times
strange python
With a big icon and text to remind u to pool
ionic charm
Try playing sharpened blades and then you have to worry about each time you use a finisher if you want to wait another 2 seconds to clip the throw with EP
Thatâs my only gripe with the trait
simple flax
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZRzMFQpViqP9hj3K8ew5T gib daggers pls
desert vault
isn't SB the poison knife stack?
ionic charm
Yeah
desert vault
oh ok, oh so yeah let it max stack, but don't throw outside of EP, yeah
that sounds awful đ
sick eagle
is it normal for haste to be simming higher than agility even tho my haste is at 24%?
ionic charm
And on openers without lust you need to throw as late as possible into vendetta, since 25+ stacks with 30% extra damage is better than 30 stacks without. I probably put way too much thought into something that only accounts for 6% if my damage, but itâs kinda tough attempting to pool for Tb, while making sure Ep is up when I throw my daggers, all without wasting stacks of the auto attack buff
@sick eagle yes
lilac lily
@sick eagle yep
desert vault
I think agi is bottom on my list right now with MA.
simple meteor
even tho they tried to make ilvl better cause agi. Secondary stat starts taking the ropes again đ
wispy wigeon
thanks for the help guys ^
sour wasp
flashbacks of agonizing poison
smoky lantern
385 Shrouded Suffocation :> finally a good piece from cache
fading spade
@sour wasp shudders
strange python
second 385 dd peice đ
desert vault
Hmm why do I feel like NOT running 3x Gutripper ... jeez
ionic charm
Sb is better tho for first stack
strange python
What addon shows the traits? 
ionic charm
So get yourself a 385 vectis helm, then you can use it đ
desert vault
I'm so ready for the vectis helm today
ionic charm
Iâm ready for another 395 corpuscle I wonât use
muted jacinth
blightborne. decent upgrade from 370 scent
desert vault
alright, giving up 300 DPS to run SS/Subt/Exsang for Fetid progression I guess ... dang it!
round harbor
just have 4 warlock on big add 4head
desert vault
I wish, we've only got two at the moment
round harbor
so its like 2warlock/rog/fdk?
polar goblet
is there a post to know what u guys mean by GCB, SS, DD, etc since i just came back to the game and kinda lost xD
desert vault
yep
round harbor
we gonna try the burn strat for fetid this week
strange python
how is my best gearest the lower one
muted jacinth
gcb is galecallers boon, trinket from shrine
dd is double dose trait
ss is shrouded suffocation trait
polar goblet
@muted jacinth thanks
lilac lily
the stuff above is enchants/gems
strange python
oh it doesnt count them as best gear?
round harbor
- Equipped gear is within the error margin of the sim
ionic charm
Your equipped gear didnât change, it doesnât show the equipped with the best sockets, it just shows them in the list below
strange python
so basically swapping to mastery enchant is ok
cus i need the mastery to make it my buff on zul
round harbor
it doesnt matter
strange python
in sub
round harbor
its ~0 dps difference
ionic charm
If youâre doing zul youâre gonna want to switch off haste enchant eventually
pastel vault
If it's 10 dps you go with mastery because it's better in multi dotting
So for vectis or zul or w/e
round harbor
i had to edit, its 0
pastel vault
Also better on short fights like ghuun phase3
round harbor
im considering stick mastery on my offhand just for m+
and i dont have a third dagger of equal quality
ionic charm
Mastery wins for me even in ST, but Iâm assuming thatâs because blightborne devalues crit
strange python
i cant take haste enchant off my wep for zul because i cant have more crit
my gear is in an aids spot
ionic charm
You can enchant vers for zul, itâs roughly equal to crit
strange python
oh true, i think wep enchants are cheap by now yeah?
wouldnt know, still cant get mythic daggers
XD
cold dragon
Can someone look at these logs and critique me. I'm tired of being towards the bottom...
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WavYMCdnjFPAwzJX
Edit: Some Zek'Voz wipes too: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6FpTBy4kQdxgA81R
ionic charm
Yeah theyâre like 3-5k
light kestrel
What do you guys think would be better in M+. I'm running two SS and my third piece would be either Bloodrite or SoB. I was thinking SoB on fort weeks and Bloodrite on Tyrannical
ionic charm
@cold dragon opener seems a bit all over the place, it would be helpful to pick one of the two accepted MA openers (apl - g m r ven van tb mut env mut, or custom one that sims slightly ahead g m r, ven mut to 4+, tb van env mut env). Prepare for TB more. Not getting 2 envenoms in during TB should be considered a problem, happens fairly frequently. Other than cooldown usage being erratic and TB usage not being efficient, no other glaring errors, maybe a bit too much energy waste.
cold dragon
Ravenholdt guide says to TB then Mut>Vanish>Env
I can try harder to pool for TB, but while trying to keep EP up as much as possible, it just feels impossible. I have so much haste and I still need more @.@
ionic charm
The guide doesnât necessarily have all of the most current information. Not that itâs necessarily wrong, but others have done sim research on their own to show greater success in the openers I mentioned. Regardless your opener should look pretty much the same all of the time, which it currently doesnât. Especially like on vectis where you didnât vendetta til like 30 seconds in. And Keeping EP up outside of Tb doesnât matter if it prevents you from keeping EP up during TB
cold dragon
It was because of quick wipe pull probably. didnt have them up
So, I should prioritize TB windows over EP. got it
ionic charm
You basically donât want to cast spells outside of TB unless youâre going to overcap energy, or lose dot uptimes. No reason to use resources when you can wait 10s and do 30% more damage
Thatâs a bit of an extreme way to look at it, but envenom should not have many casts that arenât buffed by Tb
cold dragon
When looking at top logs, their EP uptime is around 70%. I have a similar ilvl, shouldn't i be able to do that too?
strange python
its haste dependant and pooling
ionic charm
100% uptime during Tb is 9 seconds. The 2 finishers you will cast over the next 16 seconds gives another 8 seconds of EP. thatâs 68% right there, not counting the extra 1-3 seconds of EP that should be left over from last TB envenom
That is doable even with bad haste, if you play it properly
desert vault
100 energy is about the number to take into a TB window yeah?
ionic charm
About, yeah. But itâs more just about trying to have as much as possible rather than a specific number
desert vault
and in opener its alright to CP cap on on Vend > Mut (usually 2x mut) to 4+ CP > TB?
ionic charm
Thatâs debatable, but likely not very significant of a change either way
spice surge
There is no specific energy number, just make sure that your dots are ticking for the duration of TB and you are not delaying tb
desert vault
Ok, I was just trying to do Vend > Mut > TB cause that is typically 4 CP
or do you not want to Vanish > Envenom with anything less than 5 CP?
strange python
vanish into env at 4+cp
spice surge
I mean, its better with 5 but no point wasting a mutilate to get 1 cp
So just do it at 4
ionic charm
I am of the opinion that you can do whatever you âfeelâ better with. All of the openers I have seen mentioned for MA are fairly close together. In the âidealâ world, you wonât have 5 cp because your first mut gave you 4
cold dragon
Im gonna try that opener next time, thanks Artinz. I just miss the WoD days when all I had to compete with was Arcane
cold dragon
Looking at my Zekvoz wipes makes me feel better too. 70% ep uptime and middle of the pack. I cant be doing much wrong
opaque grotto
Assa isnât super sick for zekvoz so if the rest of your guild plays well then youâre probably not going to be top dps
ionic charm
One day we will live in a world without FDK breaths and everyone else will rejoice
desert vault
And I assume its ok to refresh rup/gar outside of pandemic before going into TB window?
primal gazelle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fAATryUtyZRVncjuycXvok 12 dps away from 18k club, so close
ionic charm
Supposedly, the ideal is to refresh if rupture is below 12s before going into Tb. Garrote can be refreshed during
I didnât run the sims or even look at them, thatâs just what I heard
Wasnât @spice surge the one doing that or am I wrong?
primal gazelle
youre wasting rupture ticks if you refresh below 12 secs
desert vault
oh garrote can be refreshed during the TB window? Seems like Rup would be better suited to use inside TB window, less energy to cast?
but I guess needs the CP for rupture
ionic charm
I understand youâre wasting, but this is about making the best of a bad situation. The situation Iâm describing is one where youâre either going to have to refresh rupture outside pandemic, refresh rupture during TB, or let rupture drop off for a few seconds. None are ideal
desert vault
Right, that is what I was more asking seems like the best of the three bad choices would be refreshing outside of pandemic
spice surge
I dont think so, i havent seen anything that specific. I did some where you refreshed before but simc showed it to be pretty equal (+-0.1%)
primal gazelle
i highly doubt anyone here can do the math for those scenarios to tell you which one is better, only someone that knows how to sim those specific situations will be able to answer you
spice surge
But refreshing before without clipping rupture pandemic is definitely a gain
ionic charm
I doubt Iâll change my play style for the .1%, but if people ask Iâd rather tell them the âcorrectâ one
spice surge
I mean there is no simc proof that even pooling is a gain
Or atleast i havent seen any, and i've tried editing the APL
Its more a case of that it intuitivly feels better
primal gazelle
ideally getting 3 enveoms in "feels" better than getting 2 in, but maybe the cost of delaying TB by 1-2 secs for pooling, negates any dps gain
who knows
spice surge
You can pool a bit, but most of the time you cant pool enough for 3 casts of envenom
hollow stone
Leave for a week, still talking about pooling. See you guys next week
ionic charm
Oh yeah sure, not without a haste buff or crits. But lots of times you wonât even get 2 without it
spice surge
As i said though, simc doesnt pool at all
cold dragon
Yeah, zekvoz isnt so great for Sin compared to a demonhunter, but when an Afflic lock with 6 ilvl less than me is pushing orange parses while im in blue, something feels wrong
spice surge
and it doesnt seem to be a gain to make it do so
ionic charm
It doesnât? Last I checked the apl had like 6 seconds of doing nothing in between each Tb, but didnât count the time as pooling for whatever reason
I should check again
desert vault
oh I didn't know simc didn't pool, but it assumes two envenoms every TB cast?
ripe nimbus
Someone should make a pool emote
hardy veldt
Rogue = needs a lifeguard. confirmed.
ionic charm
The apl sample table shows like 5-8 seconds in between each TB of doing nothing that is logged as âwaitingâ not âpoolingâ for whatever reason
Even though itâs clearly not waiting for global
spice surge
Yeah and other times it does TB at 30% energy
ripe nimbus
That the apl waiting to pandemic rupture
desert vault
hmm, I hope with raid buffs and RA I can get 4 envenoms off after Vanish in opener, on dummy I'm only getting 3 before cutting it way to close in letting gar fall off
spice surge
Half the time it does some waiting and half the time it refreshes rupture right after tb. Seemingly though it seems to be more worth to not clip your rupture timings than to make sure you get multiple envenoms off in tb
ionic charm
It does seem to only refresh dots during Tb when it pooled to 100% energy beforehand. So at least that makes sense
drifting elbow
hardly makes sense with not being consistent in priorities with TB
pools but doesnt use that pooling for dmg into envenoms
twilit parcel
The rogue murder has a cap or something like that?
drifting elbow
murder? đ¤
drifting elbow
no caps at all
twilit parcel
thx
cold dragon
I feel like rogue got over nerfed when comparing my dps to raid members, or do I just need to git gud? is it because logs are skewed towards lust on pull farm kills?
cold dragon
I dont think its lust pulls though. 373 Afflic lock in my group pushing orange like every pull
I know, but I didnt start mythic raiding until recently
so I didnt have a frame of reference
drifting elbow
that just means, that player is that good on his spec
if u are not at least getting purples constantly, u have plenty of room to improve
cold dragon
I feel like Im doing everything I can is all. Its such a brain dead spec at this point lol
drifting elbow
believe me, aff is way more brain dead
but spec being super easy isnt relevant on this
cold dragon
I just mean that, based on how simple the gameplay is, how much more can you really do to push dps
I do the opener, try to keep EP up and not let dots fall
drifting elbow
there is a lot of ways to get more dps into fight parses
visual token
Get ball, die, get brez, get ball again đ
drifting elbow
đ
cold dragon
Not gonna do that for me if Im middle of the road to begin wiht
desert vault
If you are doing mythic raiding ... mechanics > DPS in my opinion. I used to worry about my parses all of the time, but then came to learn that a lot of "top" parses are staged basically. Specific group setups, huge amounts of cheese, etc.
ionic charm
Even outside of just playing sin, there are many factors that go into parsing well. Mainly the fine balance between ignoring minor mechanics and optimizing cooldown usage based on kill times.
desert vault
The way I am sure to get a raid spot ... mechanics + attendance = spot on team đ
ionic charm
And they all matter less than optimum performance
drifting elbow
u can do 100 parses even without premades, elinkar
cold dragon
Yeah, I agree. I just play this game for the big dick feel and rogue isnt doing it for me
drifting elbow
that planned premades needs actually exploited mechanics for it to be worth
desert vault
I forgot kill time being a huge factor too
kill time alone can prolly affect a parse ... 10+ levels or more?
drifting elbow
no?
twin pollen
after I cast envenom, should I wait till it runs it's course to recast it if I am able to recast it before it was to run out?
cold dragon
Kill time is a huge factor, mechanics rng, you name it, but it still remains, an afflic lock with 6 ilvl less is pushing orange like every pull
spice surge
Faster kill times isnt always better
ionic charm
It depends on the fight. Thatâs why Iâll cry at my purple vectis holding me back from pure orange because my guild canât kill before 3rd intermission
drifting elbow
if a lot of guilds does same kill speeds too, there is no 100% improving parses
spice surge
Ilvl is mostly irrelevant
If all your gear had sockets you wouldnt gain any ilvl, but your damage would go up by like 1.5k in sims
desert vault
I've only been back to mythic for two weeks now, I hate every fight so far as sin and don't think its going to get any better đ
drifting elbow
u mean, u hate them as melee
spice surge
And then you got trinkets/traits as well which also are not strictly ilvl related
desert vault
yeah sockets are nuts too, I remember a rogue that was 376 I think, but simmed at 18k+ because he was 2x 385 DD and sockets on 8-9 pieces .. I mean
@drifting elbow pretty much, yep đ
ionic charm
I love hearing about juicy loot when I canât open my cache so I can spend time fantasizing about the 4th cloak Iâll get
desert vault
is that the general rule? socket = 100 dps?
I have no clue, sitting on my one sweet socket piece đ
ionic charm
Socket = 40 haste = ~85 dps
hardy veldt
Mine sim out to roughly 90 per on each socket
inland gull
after 8weeks i saw my first DD trait item from zandalari emissary, happy bcuu i had bad helm and its nice for pvp aswell
hardy veldt
I thought ttk was horrible in pvp
primal gazelle
im 377 and i sim 18k with 7 sockets đ
inland gull
how much is it reduced?
opaque grotto
Nah you run MFD and it does some nice burst
primal gazelle
ttk is nerfed hard in pvp
hardy veldt
Oh gotcha
opaque grotto
You can env MFD env
primal gazelle
like 60% or something ridiculous
hardy veldt
Thatâs what I thought day
opaque grotto
That plus system shock with MFD adds up to pretty decent burst within kidney + bomb
true rapids
What's the best sim for hectic add cleave just leave it at default or bump the number of boss targets?
cold dragon
is your character name artinz @ionic charm ? I want to look at your logs
ionic charm
Yup a52
cold dragon
Jesus christ dude, nice parses
ripe nimbus
What happened on vectis
ionic charm
I got hit by an extra tick in 1st intermission so I had 6 stacks coming out of 2nd intermission. I knew it was over then
And then we had a healer missing last week so didnât reclear
ripe nimbus
Rekted ur self
Hope u got 2 button sub gear for zul or gonna see that juicy blue on there lol
Stack mastery and the first dance trait
ionic charm
Yeah pretty much. Now I have to wait til Thursday for vectis. And yeah I got my 385 dance and nights vengeance
Since I have no first dance shoulder
Iâm going to be very sad using 370 ML trinket over my 390 GCB on Zul
drifting elbow
đ¤
ripe nimbus
I don't get zek orb cause guild put me last so I don't get to get it feelsbadman
drifting elbow
how is ML trinket better than GCB as long u dont use it when debuffs is happening đ¤
sturdy python
Why do they put you last?
ionic charm
The convenient thing about not joining a more serious progression guild is I get to pick when I want to do mechanics like orbs
sturdy python
Yeah I only raid heroic so we just fight for it lol
ripe nimbus
I donno why I'm last but we kill it before we even get 3 orbs
So it doesn't really matter
ionic charm
Hpal in my guild loves to steal first heroic orb for his fucking avenging crusader
pastel vault
You don't want first orb unless you lust and guild will res you
ionic charm
For heroic itâs usually dead when the second orb comes out. For mythic I took 6th, and still died too early
ripe nimbus
Yah it depends on ur guild on mythic we lust on 2nd orb and it's usually dead just as 3rd orb lands or alittle after lol
pastel vault
Dang my guild does low dmg then, think we get 6
gloomy ginkgo
what is the "baseline" haste I should be aiming for for M+?
pastel vault
Generally mastery and critical are better in multi target situation
gloomy ginkgo
Currently at 12% haste, 40% mastery, 22% crit. Are those decent distributions?
ripe nimbus
Yes
ripe nimbus
He already said
calm grail
Oh
Yeah those are good. More crit might make things feel smoother
But that's just getting better sidegrades
gloomy ginkgo
okay, thanks!
waxen cobalt
Running TB, do you still do envenom as many times as possible, or only on 4-5?
spice surge
Only on 4-5
waxen cobalt
aight, cheers
rugged jetty
2 first dnace 1 arch or 2 arch 1 first dance for zul?
gloomy mason
I have a Huge dps problem at zul. I only do about 9-10 k there as sin:/ I have 366 ilvl... can someone help me out?
ionic charm
@rugged jetty 2 first dance
eternal wharf
have a question reguarding what the guide says on rotation on keeping rupture up and refreshing at 7.2 seconds, why at 7.2s?
ionic charm
Pandemic allows dots you apply to add on to the previously applied dot, up to 30% of the new dotâs timer. 30% of 5cp rupture is 7.2
eternal wharf
had no idea that was a thing
so im reading u need to garrote 3 times on open, but the debuff maxes out at 24s, 18 from first, 24 from 2nd garrote and the 3rd doesnt add time
dense quest
you 3 gar if there is 3 target
modern smelt
I guess for some comps u could garrote all 3 targets... but that doesn't mean garrote the same guy 3 times.
eternal wharf
for ST should u garrote twice since it increases the duration?
dense quest
yes
cold dragon
Im gonna record some progression tomorrow. Something is not clicking and Im not seeing it in logs.
sturdy python
You should, you dirty little rogue you
hardy veldt
When would you prefer to run 3 ss though
wild gyro
m+
pastel vault
In raid yeah, for the Raid buff
hardy veldt
I only have 1 atm đŚ
wild gyro
i only have 370 uldir
hardy veldt
Not just raid buff. 20 stacks gives a solid chunk of agil
ripe nimbus
It's 2 SS 1 arch for M+
wild gyro
yeah no arch unofrtunately
hardy veldt
Thatâs what I thought
wild gyro
hopefully tonight
pastel vault
Why arbitrarily do 2 and 1
hardy veldt
Not arbitrary
wild gyro
^
pastel vault
If 2 and 1 is better than 1 and 2, then 3 0 would be best
hardy veldt
Lmao what?
pastel vault
?
hardy veldt
Hahah
pastel vault
Because you gain the same agi from 1st and 2nd archive? There's no greater benefit to 1 archive over 0 in m+
Only in raid
The first ss trait is slightly stronger than 2nd and 3rd but even 2nd ss is better than an archive
wild gyro
Oh I see where the confusion is
hardy veldt
I suppose you can sim to confirm? But afaik itâs 2 ss, 1 arch as bis
wild gyro
2ss and 1arch is bis
because 3rd stack of SS doesn't outweight the 1 arch
it USED to
just not any more
pastel vault
You realize I'm talking about m+right
hardy veldt
We do
pastel vault
Where you get a ton of restealths
ripe nimbus
????
wheat zealot
In m+
pastel vault
Ss is broken in m+ archive is not better than the 3rd ss
wheat zealot
In raid its good obviously
ripe nimbus
U realize it's gives a shit ton of main stat right? Which just makes garrote and empowered garrote hit harder same with every thing else u do?
pastel vault
No I have no idea what archive does
wheat zealot
Lmao
pastel vault
Typing out what it does makes it stronger than ss apparently tho
ripe nimbus
I'm done with u carry on sir actual waste of energy
hardy veldt
Thatâs what we are discussing
wheat zealot
We are talking about mythic plus
ripe nimbus
...
wheat zealot
Ffs
hardy veldt
Lmfao
ripe nimbus
Welcome to the convo
hardy veldt
Ya boy is out
vagrant tapir
"Burritoj: In raid yeah, for the Raid buff"
Seemed like you were talking about in raid
wheat zealot
Lmao read the rest of the convo maybe
vagrant tapir
Depends on the key level though
hardy veldt
Burrito, I canât imagine a scenario where that might come into play. Possibly on each of the bosses.
vagrant tapir
Im not scrolling up for half an hour to find that out lol
hardy veldt
If only there was a strong talent that would be useful on non restealth fights
vagrant tapir
And as for archive, that depends on how high the KS is
ripe nimbus
It was literally right next to what u quoted
hardy veldt
Also true. I think I remember reading that 4 sob (on average for each pull) is break even point? No source on that.
vagrant tapir
Yeah something like that
Really rough though
Cause it depends on how evenly they die etc
I cant find any reliable info on MA ability usage
Sim says Vanish TB Mut Envenom
I feel like with 2xDD, TB>Vanish>Envenom>Mut>Mut would be good
hardy veldt
I believe that second one is correct
ripe nimbus
"Feel" there's ur problem
vagrant tapir
...
wheat zealot
Feelycraft alert 
vagrant tapir
"I cant find any reliable info on MA ability usage"
vagrant tapir
But yeah, being a doucebag to seem smart is cool too
ripe nimbus
Triggered
pastel vault
Laxxz could be right with 2 dd you'd have to mess with apl to find out
pastel vault
And compare damage
vagrant tapir
Yeah, gunna fuck with it later
safe canopy
last week MA simmed higher now subter sims higher...assas is a never ending simfest
warm zinc
is 3 shrouded suffocations bis for m+?
jaunty crystal
not sure about bis but most top rogues are running 2-3
hearty grail
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nM7WwRtJVwMbmvdnEt824p i Sim highest W/ exsang but stil not sure how to use this. Basically just use off cd?
strange python
@hearty grail Guide in pins
prime stirrup
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qNBSsJ3SsTiwzxJLAYh3yX not getting 18k this week đŚ
sick monolith
gimmie ur pants.
sick monolith
do you have raid shoulders?
safe canopy
@prime stirrup https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uuFZMa7tw8JaCiRqgv6yHd like same dps diff stats though đ¤
sick monolith
holy moly that questionable loyalties ring with socket.
sick monolith
I've read some people on here delay vendetta to pair with the vanish garrotes? But if im running ESXG would i delay it that too ? Where as in the websites opener is a bit different
prime stirrup
i delay 2nd exsang to line up with galecallers
and then hold vendetta and exsang for a few seconds for GCB/Vanish to be up
I think at 7 min mark you lose a full exsang so if fight is longer than that you should just exsang on cd
tough whale
Simc APL says exang with vendetta, then on CD until theyre align at 2:20.
harsh sphinx
if you have boon do you wait the 15 or whatever seconds for both?
tough whale
From going off the APL alone no
you'd be pooling longer than necessary on vendetta/vanish/exang/boon
which is bigger than your exang+boon w/ no empower
prime stirrup
youre already waiting 21 seconds for vanish/vendetta i couldnt see how delaying 2nd exsang for gcb would be a loss
drifting elbow
hmh?
drifting elbow
typically u dont delay trinket
vagrant tapir
People still running exsang in raid?
tough whale
Yes?
prime stirrup
@harsh sphinx yes i delay 2nd exsang for gcb
vagrant tapir
I guess if youre still stuck with SS traits
harsh sphinx
i'll have to tinker around with it, thx @prime stirrup
vagrant tapir
But if youve moved on to DD, exsang sucks
civic palm
"Stuck"
prime stirrup
lol
tough whale
"stuck"
vagrant tapir
SS is a pretty shitty trait on most bosses in uldir
smoky lantern
M+ = uldir.
civic palm
and raid, hilariously.
drifting elbow
SS can be ur best in raid too 
prime stirrup
SS is perfectly fine for raid
vagrant tapir
I mean if you have nothing else yeah
drifting elbow
because u r ''stuck''
civic palm
"stuck" btw
tough whale
Yikes
prime stirrup
it might not be for you. but 1ss 370 sims higher than 1 dd 370 for me
vagrant tapir
But against an equal ilvl DD its worse
prime stirrup
exsang also simms higher with a single ss stack
vagrant tapir
Yeah depending on your stats
tough whale
man all those poor people on warcraft logs, stuck with their shrouded and top 10 parses đŚ
prime stirrup
for me that is
tough whale
? I'm calm, friend.
tough whale
You're making a pretty bold claim about the state of an azerite trait that most people still use to preform.
drifting elbow
calm down laxx
vagrant tapir
Its a worse ST trait
It is
It just is
If you can choose ideal stats, DD will outperform it
Obviously you cant do that though
drifting elbow
in a perfect world sure
vagrant tapir
You have to play what you have
drifting elbow
but we r not in perfect world
prime stirrup
I have no problem 99 parsing with SS.. guess you arent as good with the trait
tough whale
Where's an omegalul when you need it?
civic palm
We're also not in a world where there are target dummies for bosses and in some cases due to them dying too quickly, SS is better.
drifting elbow
99 parse with ss= missing point
harsh sphinx
having at least 1 SS feels better to me at least, opener and rotation wise
prime stirrup
I love ss
tough whale
SS synergizes well with a large number of fights found in Uldir
vagrant tapir
Completely missing the point
drifting elbow
sure buddy
vagrant tapir
What does a 99 parse have to do, with it being a lower DPS trait
tough whale
Due to the fact there are no patchwerk fights and ample opportunity to gain MORE value out of SS.
vagrant tapir
Not many people have super high DD traits
You can get 385 SS from uldir
Lots of people with high parses have got fetid chest
drifting elbow
i guess all those good parses with ss in uldir is doing it totally wrong 
tough whale
Yeah the r1 parses with 2/3 shroudeds, poor guys
vagrant tapir
You guys are complete morons lol
prime stirrup
He got so unlock with drops. i bet he wishes he had DD
tough whale
Yeah, must really suck
tough whale
Adios
prime stirrup
We arent, you are for speaking in absolutes in a game that changes with every little secondary stat
tough whale
don't let the door hit you on the way out
drifting elbow
more like u want to box things into perfect world ST situation
tough whale
"lets talk about bis ST traits in a raid with no ST fights"
vagrant tapir
Its a better trait on ST bosses
tough whale
civic palm
and on critters.
vagrant tapir
What does that have to do, with where people are parsing
civic palm
Maybe.
drifting elbow
how many bosses in uldir are perfect ST
vagrant tapir
It has nothing to do with it
tough whale
Because SS helps you parse better because you get more value out of multi target ss?
big think
What does more, one SS garrote or TWO
@vestal wren
drifting elbow
way to go over laxx
true rapids
Been a while since I have seen someone this mad
prime stirrup
I told yall he was a troll
tough whale
in the words of a wise troll
errant mauve
I rock 1xSS and 2xDD raid
tough whale
"calm down, itll all be ok"
civic palm
<@&224906552333697025> > _>
vestal wren
whats up?
prime stirrup
bye laxxz
civic palm
@vagrant tapir is up
tough whale
scroll up a hair
harsh sphinx
rude
tough whale
Meh, some people like to spread misinformation and/or their uneducated views.
It happens.
prime stirrup
rav were you gonna run a custom apl for delay on 2nd exsang/gcb?
if so, will you link me
harsh sphinx
i might if i get some time, will let you know
true rapids
Got a 385 helm out of cache and it pushed out all my ss pieces
harsh sphinx
nicee, got the same cloak i got 2 weeks ago đŚ
tough whale
Could be worse
true rapids
It's decent for outlaw :^)
vestal wren
!warn @vagrant tapir we dont use insults here, also keep it to the topic, else use #off-topic
rocky notch
yea wtf
prime stirrup
its not great for sin
balmy perch
sin is all i play
tough whale
Uhh
calm grail
I'd tap it.
balmy perch
i have a 370 galecallers and 370 loaded dice
tough whale
It's alot better than youre making it out to be
drifting elbow
one of the best items u can get for assa
strange python
Its my little sister @tough whale đ
rocky notch
better than galecallers for some fights
prime stirrup
I play exsang. and its pretty good, but theres better around
rocky notch
half of those aren't even real options
prime stirrup
They are too. you could get that juicy TF from wq lol
tough whale
Might as well buy a powerball ticket
prime stirrup
hey, i got 385 hands from LFR. the dude that i gave them to was so over joyed
main rain
Gotta play that slot machine some more, somewhen I will surely win
hollow stone
In practice: ditb or ttk? Sim diff is 80 in favor of ditb (for raiding)
I'm leaning toward ttk atm
calm grail
I don't get why double 385 SS sims lower than my 385 DD/DiTB for Subterfuge and exsanguinate.
drifting elbow
dont take dagger in the back without standing behind the target like 90% of time
prime stirrup
Im pretty spoiled on trinkets with 385 dice/375 gcb so i just see everything as a down grade. though im sure other trinkets are just as valuable
timber mauve
prime stirrup
18k grats
hollow stone
@drifting elbow that's my thought process as well... but it's a raid enviro, I "SHOULD" be able to stay behind the boss for at least 90% of the fight... idk, I think I'm just gonna run twist
drifting elbow
i mean there is a lot of different situations requiring u to move and mechanics
prime stirrup
what boss do you position in front of though?
hollow stone
I know but it's not often you run to the front of the boss for mechanics. at least not in uldir
drifting elbow
does side count as back
prime stirrup
i honestly cant think of a single one. maybe ghuun?
rocky notch
taloc if you need to stack
hollow stone
@prime stirrup could be things like adds on zek/vectis etc
but even that's behind the boss @rocky notch
or should be, lol
drifting elbow
well there is stacking periods in ghuun
prime stirrup
our tanks cheese the m mechanic so we dont stack on them
rocky notch
mythrax
prime stirrup
he has a aoe frontal cleave
rocky notch
not on mythrax
prime stirrup
go ahead and stand infront of him
rocky notch
himself...
hollow stone
on the add, lol
Anyone know if I can change something to have 80-90% butt time on the boss instead of the auto sim at 100% for ditb?
prime stirrup
add movement
drifting elbow
point being, DitB is oversimmed due to it assuming u r behind the target 100%
hollow stone
right, movement doesn't really solve that problem though
drifting elbow
if u got add shit and mechanics, that trait is not as good as sim suggest
prime stirrup
really it still assumes youre on boss ass?
hollow stone
right
drifting elbow
it would be weird if sims let u stand on front of sim boss tho đ
hollow stone
idk if adding movement would do the sim properly though assuming movement means moving out of melee
shy dust
ive gotten a 390 trinket from normal RNG is just RNG
prime stirrup
im trying to think of a way to get what you want but ive got nothing
can you adjust uptime on boss?
hollow stone
yeah, I couldn't find anything either :/
hollow stone
same problem; if I did that for ditb then I would have to do the same for ttk
I think I just go with my gut and say TTK > ditb if the sim is within 80 dps đ
drifting elbow
well TTK is in ur envenom that doesnt need stacks to deal dmg
prime stirrup
ttk is the extra envenom dmg?
prime stirrup
only fight i see ditb out classing it would be zekvoz/zul add cleave
drifting elbow
ditb is pure ST dmg tho
hollow stone
maybe mother for me since I sit boss all fight
drifting elbow
spreading ditb to multiple targets doesnt increase dps
hollow stone
twist it is though, decision made, thanks for the discussion
prime stirrup
when i ran ditb at low ilvls i would notice the icon on the target dummies
true rapids
Did you get an irontide captains hat too?
prime stirrup
so it definitely can be spread from garrote/ruptures on new targets. but I doubt its that reliable
hollow stone
naw, got the chest (cephalohide jacket)
prime stirrup
for sure
drifting elbow
multiple targets getting 1 stacks compared to full stacks on ST
cold dragon
Would pooling for TB be enough to take my green/blue parses to purple in mythic raid? If im doing everything else properly
calm grail
No
There is no way you are doing everything else properly and getting green by not pooling.
cold dragon
fuck
calm grail
I don't pay attention to pooling half the time and get purple's or orange. You got another more serious issue probably.
spice surge
@calm grail If you stand infront they're pretty even
hollow stone
Basically same results for me @calm grail. Im gonna take my own advice i gave you like 2 weeks back and ignore that 80sim dps and run twist
Gimme those spicy envs
ionic charm
bracers from cache but the array stacks brought me to 18k at least 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nNZux8xsKEa8hWMA4WNVqC
spice surge
Yeah envenoms get spicy with ttk
hollow stone
Yee, hoping so at least :p
spice surge
Tried a normal with 3x ttk (2x 370, 1 385) and got like 65k crits đ
spring iron
Is AMR actually pretty shit as far as checking for gear optimization?
hollow stone
Oh shiii. Thats like caster level crits right there
spice surge
Yes
eternal sigil
Just got a 380 galecaller. I have 2 385 shrouded. How do I work galecallers in with exsang
prime stirrup
its so fucked.
spice surge
Hopefully ttk+dd is bis next tier so we can get them fat envenoms all the time
cold dragon
Oh hey artinz, thanks for the help earlier. From what you saw, besides the opener fluke on vectis, what should I focus on? I think doing mechanics + attacking is something I can work on instead of just one or the other...
spice surge
My recommendation for that is to stand and slap the dummy forever
So you get your rotation on musclememory
hollow stone
Yea man. Im basically running the dream now: 1x dd, 1x twist, 1x archive all with overpower
spice surge
3x overpower is OP đ
hollow stone
Just in time for my guild to ask me to play my mage instead. Zz
prime stirrup
rogue is good on every fight
prime stirrup
were progging fetid with up to 8 melee. its the visualization of cancer
hollow stone
I think id sit myself if we had 8 melee for fetid
ionic charm
its hard to tell from logs. I saw energy waste, but its not easy to tell where. Its a combination of gear, getting better at optimizing dps with mechanics, and just becoming more comfortable with the rotation. I'm not the best at analyzing logs, I usually just try to think of what I would do differently than the log, and theres not usually too many answers other than what I already told you. @cold dragon
spice surge
If you link em again i can have a look as well tej
cold dragon
Thanks, I know. It feels like its something hidden in plain sight. Here @spice surge https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WavYMCdnjFPAwzJX
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6FpTBy4kQdxgA81R
Vectis kill, we pulled faster than my cds were up
spice surge
Owie, thats unlucky
cold dragon
Yeah, but its nbd there. Im more worried about when I have cds and im so low
prime stirrup
dont go into mythics thinking youre going to parse
a lot of it is fight length on vectis
cold dragon
I want to look at it that way, but then i see other's with similar ilvl parsing in orange
prime stirrup
group comp / overall group and strat makes a huge difference in what is even possible to parse
Like vectis, the highest parses are on kill times of under 5:30. best being at 5:03, my guild killed it in 7:22. no way to parse high like that
cold dragon
I agree with that
I guess an afflic warlock would benefit from longer fight
Him being the highest dps in my group
prime stirrup
low dps comps with a warrior is funny
you will see them really climb cause execute last a lot longer for them
nimble tartan
18.3k sim đ
ionic charm
Only time you benefit from a longer fight is like in mother cheese when 2/3 of your raid dies going into p3 and you get 2 and a half mins to smack the boss at +100% damage
nimble tartan
is 19k possible đ
prime stirrup
look at the big bad dog @nimble tartan ! grats
spice surge
It seems like you're not using TB nearly on cd, a lot of the times you use it at around 30s instead of 25 @cold dragon
ionic charm
Why am I always 200 dps behind you mother fucker
spice surge
On most fights i checked you could've gotten more tb's out if you used it on cd
cold dragon
@spice surge that is concrete thank you
balmy perch
i am crossing my fingers for some drop RNG on mother tonight
balmy perch
ya i have killed her twice on mytrhic 2 rerolls nothing. and 4 times in heroic with 3 rerolls and nothing
prime stirrup
this will be week 7. im praying for the dagger gods
cold dragon
@spice surge did you just look at casts or was there a fast way to check that
I guess filtering for TB in timeline
is fast
spice surge
Yeah casts, but you can press events instead of tables
wispy oar
at how many stacks of Sharpened Blades should I be using Poisoned Knife and should I line it up with Toxic Blade?
spice surge
Go into casts > press tb > events
cold dragon
Thats concise
spring iron
Is there something wrong with my AoE build?
2222223 <---- The build.
prime stirrup
@wispy oar at 30 stacks. save if vendetta is within a few seconds of you hitting 30 stacks
vale helm
If you're on 5Combo points and about to Envenom but TB goes off CD, do you overcap and use it first?
Also it feels that alot of time my TB gets off CD where if I'd cast it right then I'd have to refresh rupture during it yet if I refresh it before that I'll lose time of the debuff that won't pandemic
cold dragon
@spring iron Yeah, using deeper strat. MfD is better for aoe where you can get resets, otherwise vigor is what everyone takes
balmy perch
i would have a hard time letting go of vigor
loud kelp
my fellow rogues, when bursting is better than pot of agility?
single tarte aoe thing?
target*
pastel wasp
what
loud kelp
pre pot
loud kelp
aight, ty
gloomy ginkgo
I second @vale helm 's question. I run TB but always feel like it comes off cd when I'm either sitting at 5 cp or my Rupture is at like 8-10 sec. Is this just me planning my rotation poorly? What is the optimal way to deal with this
thorny shore
guys sometimes my garrote from stealth with SS trait its not giving 3 points combo points
royal lantern
attacking enemys from the front and they parry/dodge?
spice surge
Garrote cant be parried/dodged
solar bramble
you guys know what ilvl is needed for emmisary's to drop 385's? (currently 369)
vale helm
^ 370 is emmisary cap
supple hearth
you can currently get ~385 from raid, 2400 pvp rating, and m+ cache doing a 10+
safe matrix
It can still forge further than 370 though
supple hearth
from emissary?
I've done all the emissarys I don't think any have ever forged for me could be RNG tho
supple hearth
:p
cold cypress
what's the difference between preraid and tier 22 on herodamage?
supple hearth
the gear
cold cypress
thanks
strange python
azerite doesnt titanforge/warforge
regal estuary
so for dungeons we use 1 ss 2 double dose now ?
regal estuary
what do we use
strange python
@supple hearth The reason why that helmet is 390 is because last ring increases ilvl by 5
supple hearth
yes I know tysm XD
regal estuary
ty
supple hearth
@regal estuary SS and SOB are both the ideal traits
strange python
SoB only if u do big pulls imo
supple hearth
Seliathan was saying earlier SS is the best until higher levels and then SOB will likely pull ahead
double dose is good for raids tho
regal estuary
cool tyvm i dont have much of a choice in my set up atm was just wondering the optimal set up
so its still pretty much 3 ss if possible?
strange python
yeah
depends on ilvl too though
You should always sim urself and check herodamage
regal estuary
thanks for the info im usually outlaw but i got a 380 boon and want to rlly give assas a good try
lone junco
@supple hearth lots of seli advice also has to be scaled w/r/t pack size. scent really is good at 10 mobs. but we never ever pull 10 mobs.
yadda yadda
supple hearth
yeah in which a triple garrote empowered by ss would be very strong. thats what he was implying
lone junco
im stuck with 3ss with 4t20 4t40. it is so much stronger than any other option.
plain spruce
blindside is simming higher then EP for me, i just spam that instead of mut at 30% right
eternal wharf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cN2CqhLt4rBAm9ab/#fight=9&type=damage-done could anyone view this log and see what toksiq did wrong? if I try hard enough I should be able to hit top parse right?
im kinda new to this whole parseing shit
or "padding"
strange python
91% uptime rupture
96 garrote
đŹ
And why did u get Timewarp 6 seconds before boss died
eternal wharf
was that my only problem?
that was something i cant control the bloodlust
no one called it till the end
eternal wharf
one cast?
spice surge
and as you said, bl used incorrectly
And no second potion
Yes, you used tb on average every 30 seconds instead of 25, meaning if you used it better you could've gotten another one in during the fight
eternal wharf
should i be able to pull 16k+ on every boss in uldir
this sim says 14k
but somehow i pulled 16k i dont understand
and some bosses i do shit on
spice surge
Fetid takes 50% increased damage under 50%
eternal wharf
i see, lets say a dps sim like raidbots says i should pull 14k, i should be able to pull that on a target dummy every time right
eager crystal
Short answer is no... i believe default patchwork sims assumes you have all raid buffs and lust and max reoriginstion stacks if u are running a raid azerite piece.. you won't have those against a training dummy
safe matrix
and you typically wont have every buff when you do a training dummy
just sim without buffs
eternal wharf
well i believe in the sim i checked off every raid buff flask and food
so if it says i should get that dps, i should be able to pull it on dummy
safe matrix
I mean you should get around that range then yeah
but are you sure you simmed with everything off?
eager crystal
You are running 1 gutripper trait.. the training dummy never hits 30% hp so you never get the extra proc on that which the sim probably took into account
eternal wharf
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cN2CqhLt4rBAm9ab/#fight=last anything on this i fucked up? sorry im just looking for feedback i am raiding rn so i cant reply much
but ill see all feedback
eternal wharf
idk man im sure u can look at his logs and figure out why right
im not worried about him
plain spruce
blindside is simming higher then EP for me, i just spam that instead of mut at 30% right
ionic charm
crit is now my highest stat weight in st... interesting https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pKifZ1DhcpWaH4hMWVbfVN
plain spruce
holy your trinkets
ionic charm
the corpuscle actually isnt that amazing, only like 30 above my dice. But yeah rngesus has blessed me several times. Just not in my mythic cache
plain spruce
same ilvl as you but 1.3k lower
ionic charm
azerite is a cruel mistress
wait blindside actually sims high for you?
i didnt even think it was comparable
balmy perch
is crimson tempest worth using in zek'voz during the add phase in mythic?
wide horizon
im an orc rogue, is there any downside to macroing vendetta / orc racial in hindsight that im not seeing?
buoyant ember
Isnt orc racial 3 min cd?
ionic charm
@balmy perch if you have trouble killing small adds, yes. But consider outlaw if you have the gear to play it
balmy perch
ya i dont have the gear to play it without downgrading to 240 gear
wide horizon
its 2m mins
balmy perch
340* azerite gear
buoyant ember
Then it makes sense to use in conjunction with vendetta
balmy perch
I am keeping up with our combat rogue on add dmg with crimson tempest but i feel like it will hurt in the longrun not having poson vile
ionic charm
Theres no reason not to macro racial to vendetta. I do it with berserking even tho its 3 mins, just lines up with 1st and 3rd vendetta (i also use it on a separate bind)
@balmy perch are small adds the issue?
or more specifically, what is your guild's current issue?
that changes what you want to run
buoyant ember
@ionic charm artinwhats the script you use for it to activate vendetta even if racial is on cd?
wide horizon
okay thanks, just got my rogue to 120 and there was a case with another class where it did matter but just wanted to make sure
ionic charm
I still have my thumb ring in the macro lul
@wide horizon if you end up playing sub ever, do not macro racial to shadow blades
wide horizon
yeah thats what it was
balmy perch
@ionic charm it seems like the adds may be the issue. we arent getting all 3 big ads down before he does the surging darkness
wide horizon
bc i was interested in sub originally but playing ass for now
thanks for the advice
ionic charm
@balmy perch are all small adds dead by the time the first big add is dead?
balmy perch
no
ionic charm
then go ct
if you guys start making past that phase consistently, and you find that you are wiping in p3 due to lack of dps (i.e. too many people are dead from mc because you should have already killed it), maybe consider pb, but more than likely your group will need more than just pb damage to make up for it
balmy perch
ya we havent made it to P2 yet
i think most our deaths are duing the surging darkness eye beam combo
but we have only tried him like 25-30 times so far
balmy perch
righbt after the first adds
ionic charm
oh
plain spruce
@ionic charm its 50dps higher for me, figured it would be an excuse to use it
balmy perch
half the time we die during the second adds
ionic charm
@plain spruce just checked, 400 lower for myself lol but to each their own
plain spruce
any more buttons are good buttons
ionic charm
@balmy perch Likely, your group has other issues than just your usage of ct or pb. But go ct if you feel like you need damage on little adds, go pb if you feel like the damage is needed on big adds and boss (keep in mind, big add damage might be looking slow if people have to spend too much time on small adds)
just try to feel it out, I would , but I cant be in your raid
balmy perch
cool will do
ionic charm
In a "best" case scenario, CT does more damage. But you don't want that scenario to appear
balmy perch
thanks
ionic charm
no problem
balmy perch
we have 4 dps below the warrior tank on add dmg X_X
normal flint
if you have a galecallers do you delay exsang for it?
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ionic charm
you want to delay your 3rd galecallers usage like 20 seconds, so it lines up with 2nd vanish and vendetta, and 4th exsang
it all happens at like 2:15-2:20 into the pull
normal flint
so use exsang on cd? until the 4th one?
ionic charm
yeah
frozen slate
ionic charm
get your 9th array stack for 18.15
balmy perch
woo made it to P2
eternal wharf
in rogue opener you garrote rup garrote TB/vendetta then vanish garrote garrote, when vendetta is up should I be waiting for vanish to come off CD as well?
round harbor
i even have 1600haste outside of raid lmao
balmy perch
i dont get how this DH is losing to half the raid on dps on adds
fierce knoll
quick question and someone may not know but why would my WA memory usage climb and then drop and then climb again? is one of my auras causing it?
eternal wharf
to many auras get a better computer
drifting elbow
prolly cuz u r using some addon that constantly does something
unless there is problems that causes gaming worse, i wouldnt mind it
arctic crow
Without SS and using exsang
doesnt make sense to me to use vanish before exsang
wouldnt u want the full second garrote
novel rivet
Does anyone know where herod damage gets its sims for M+. since raidbots and simc botho nly have the hectic add cleave option, I wanted to know if there are diminishing returns on Shourded Suffocation
novel rivet
Thank you
arctic crow
?
drifting elbow
i mean, numbers gained from SS trait stays same
vocal harbor
i can't get my assa to sim within 500dps of my outlaw, even though they're the same ilvl
probably the weapons but could it also be the trinkets?
civic palm
and current stats. Though OTL and SIN are similar so it's probably not that.
eternal wharf
how long has Pandemic been in for rogues? was it here for legion?
civic palm
Yep.
vocal harbor
yeah current stats probably has a lot to do with it, i'm super starved for haste apparently
the weight is 2.04, i've never seen a stat weight exceed 2.0
eternal wharf
would u guys say assassin rotation is more complicated than its ever been?
opal minnow
no
eternal wharf
when was Pandemic added to rogue bleeds?
civic palm
A long while ago.
eternal wharf
bfa?
civic palm
LONG
eternal wharf
er
civic palm
mmm
eternal wharf
i cant remember the last time i dedicated time to pve, i think it was cata firelands/deathwing, but sub was the spec to play and i dont think Pandemic was a thing at the time for rogues
hollow robin
Whats the best way to sim for +10's? Not sure what talents to run for this week
civic palm
@vocal harbor weights can go higher as well, haste will probably just keep increasing until you get a lot more
eternal wharf
lazer matrix or archive, with 2x shroud 6 stacks of array
i could stack 1x lazer, 1x archive 1x SS but i believe 2xSS is a must
civic palm
Fortified is this week so CT is a must. @hollow robin
steep obsidian
its not really if you only do small pulls its marginal
eternal wharf
i am mainly talking about raiding not m+
steep obsidian
or arent pushing really high keys
my mastery is almst as high as haste now in my sims tempted to just gem mastery for dungeons
but that would swap my array ibet
lol
hollow robin
So if im running CT and I have 2x SS traits, do I run Exang as well?
@civic palm
Sorry for questions, normally an outlaw rogue. Figured Id try it for this week
and guides are unclear
steep obsidian
xsang is useful for trash in dungeons because it still works when you swap off a target
if you have 2 ss its probably the same or higher for st in sims but sim it yourself
vocal harbor
@civic palm what's your crit rating?
i thought i had a lot of haste but, i primarily play outlaw and it's become one of my lowest weights so i've been minmaxing around it
only at 19% haste atm, but 26% crit
@eternal wharf CT is crimson tempest, level 100 talent
eternal wharf
ah no shit thx for the help man kinda ignorant on abbreviations
civic palm
@vocal harbor
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@fervent finch
tepid orchid
Have archive on my shoulders, and another shrouded suffocation on 385 helm, which do you guys suggest for my chest? 370 Shrouded suffocation VS 385 dagger in the back
primal gazelle
sim it dude
drifting elbow
is that dagger really ur best trait on that azerite?
TTK trait in that azerite is practically better
primal gazelle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/C5RLV6G1RoFZRGe8jZpvd
MA is a 3 dps increase over subterfuge đ
safe matrix
thats below sim error
woeful sentinel
coarse knot
Depends on what you want to play
Donât think thereâs really a best spec pretty sure there all viable @woeful sentinel
safe matrix
its been answered in literally every other spec channel
civic palm
BEST SPEC IS #assassination WOOOOOOOO
icy hare
is scent of blood better than shrouded suffocation in aoe?
supple hearth
!warn @woeful sentinel don't spam in the channels.
drifting elbow
its decent trait wolf
civic palm
Scent is much better than Shroud when the groups are ~5 and live for a long time.
drifting elbow
...does it
civic palm
Even better when Garrote is no longer able to be applied in empowerment windows.
drifting elbow
SS is pretty darn competitive even 1min 5 target
civic palm
Normal Garrote does near the same damage as Rupture and doesn't give you AGI like Scent would, a mix of the two is đ
coarse knot
Kinda all depends on how many mobs you pull also
And also like he said how long they live
Like a fort week itâs good
None fort maybe not so much
Unless your pushing crazy high keys
drifting elbow
i mean 1min is really long time
drifting elbow
how is SS punishing u more
drifting elbow
its pretty much set on 3 target garroting at start
civic palm
When you lack the ability to restealth SS loses near all its' value, and when extras are pulled you can just Rupture them to get over your 35NRG/second and never cast Garrote
You would reapply Garrote as targets die to make sure you are over your NRG quota, empowered or not (probably not).
drifting elbow
well its not as if u r without vanish
civic palm
Every 2min, sure.
Shadowmeld if you have that as well.
Gives some SS benefit as well.
icy hare
its just that i hear SS being hyped up a ton, but sims are pointing me more towards scent on add cleave, and even preferring double dose on add cleave
drifting elbow
if u got that shit tank that fail on every pull, idk why u run with that