assassination

[pearl meteor]

Nop

They were gonna have it b a chance at 1-3

[loud pilot]

is worth using CT single target, even adds dont spawn?

[pearl meteor]

No

[strange python]

But getting random piece + azerite piece would be dope

in weekly

[pearl meteor]

Ye

[void pecan]

You mean fun, and we can't have that.

Nono. Fun Detected.

⚠

[pearl meteor]

👀

[dark token]

Technically if you have high envenom debuff time left and can envenom before it drops

CT on single target would be like 20 dmg gain

[pearl meteor]

Oooook

This guy

Get away from me

[dark token]

You could do it during lust

Bro

[pearl meteor]

Nop gn

Lmao

[dark token]

It scales off haste envenom doesnt

[pearl meteor]

4head

Think of the lust gc

💪

[dark token]

After exaang mut envenom mut ct

Big brain

[pearl meteor]

🤔

[dark token]

Just get 4cp twice

Easy

[pearl meteor]

Hard class btw

[desert pelican]

Whqt about buff to envenom on envenom window?

[pearl meteor]

Dont cr

Ct

Its a meme

Kinda like frozen in raid

[dark token]

People biased on me cause I raided week 1 8 fps smh

[pearl meteor]

Ok next fetid i sit for u

[visual token]

Don’t use a fax machine to play WoW pls

[pearl meteor]

No choice I pretend to dc

U wow every1

Ez clap

In for ghuun

[dark token]

They make me go sub anyway

Xd

[desert pelican]

Pff, my girl one time raid with no keyboard at 5 fps and heal loke nobody ;D

[pearl meteor]

Lolol

But if i wasnt in u wld b sin

Big brain

Plays

[dark token]

We both know who the REAL monkey rogue is

[pearl meteor]

Yikes

[drowsy nimbus]

Hi i had a question , i reraced a few days ago from undead to troll and id like to know when i should use my racial ? i actually use it juste before my vendetta but im not sure its the best thing to do ; ty 😃

[pearl meteor]

Right after ven

[rose rover]

\

[dark token]

Just macro it to vendetta tbh

[pearl meteor]

And save for next set of ven/vanish

So holding for a min

If ur exsang

[dark token]

Is it 3 min?

[pearl meteor]

Yea

[drowsy nimbus]

i actually sim higher with TB

[dark token]

I thought it was 2, troll sucks

[pearl meteor]

Ok idk then

May b on cd for tb

[dark token]

Wait

If I swap to troll I don't need galecallers

🤔

[pearl meteor]

Na u still will

U jus wont need anymore haste

Remb i did that lmao

[dark token]

Going troll is same difference from 355 to 370 I bet

[pearl meteor]

Prob

[dark token]

I already don't need more haste I have 1.4k no reorigination array

[pearl meteor]

Ur boosted

[drowsy nimbus]

ok ty very much 😄

[pearl meteor]

Gl

[dark token]

I'm playing tb next week on mother

Our raid sucks too much dps

Holding CD don't work

[pearl meteor]

[dark token]

Couldn't get rank 1 because we killed it 20s too soon

[lone junco]

I feeeel like. My weights have evened out too much. I don't like them all being 1.78 1.77 1.76.

[pearl meteor]

Ye

[lone junco]

Rather have something near agi they pumps.

[pearl meteor]

Wish we clda killed fetid 20s earlier

[dark token]

We would if I was there and sin ;)

Need to convince raid to let us both AFK on mass

[pearl meteor]

Ok i wont b toxic

But ye lmao

Gl with that

[dark token]

Me rogue me go face what is adds

[pearl meteor]

Me hit boss

Do lots dmg

[dark token]

Use cloak to skip mechanic do more dmg

[pearl meteor]

Lolol

[dark token]

Cheat death for actual mechanic that needs cloak

[pearl meteor]

Exactly

Rogue mastered

[dark token]

Feint? Cost energy? What that?

[woeful moth]

But I need energy for damage not feint

[pearl meteor]

Vial? I forgot it

[dark token]

Me need hp? Healthstone hp pot macro so I can save more button presses for dmg

[pearl meteor]

Too real

Spread mechanic? Me step into middle for more dmg

😃

[dark token]

Too real

[hollow stone]

Well yeah, if youre right in the middle everyone can spread from you, makes sense

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

Don’t encourage it

[dark token]

I didn't realize people were standing too close to mass to shadowstep tbh

[pearl meteor]

🙄

Haha

[woeful moth]

How else will everyone see I have eye beam if I don’t walk into the group

[dark token]

I thought I have no debuff I'm fine

But someone is licking the mass

[pearl meteor]

No debuff? Me get into middle of everyone

🙃

[dark token]

There's room if people on edge

[hollow stone]

Is fetid even actually hard?

[pearl meteor]

As if ppl were good

Is it hard no

Will it b hard

[lean coral]

so these and a fathoms and 355 galecallers are the trinkets i have atm which would you guys recommend for mythic dungeons?

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[woeful moth]

Not with shadowstep

[dark token]

Its the third hardest bossfight in the instance

[lone junco]

Speaking of dumb shit. Our monk tank swapped to dps. And is a monster with karma deeps. What a silly mechanic.

[unique zenith]

Have you guys seen the new assa trait for 8.1 (gonna assume yes)

[dark token]

Monster 🤔

[hollow stone]

I agree with the "yes" to the trinket question

[lean coral]

no to the azerite question

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[lone junco]

Bloop. 30k dps.

[pearl meteor]

Yes

Ur a bloop

Sorry that was toxic

[hollow stone]

Yea. The karma cheese is real

[unique zenith]

NEW  Rogue  Nothing Personal   Vendetta grants you 50 energy and causes your Mutilate attacks to deal an additional [663 * 1.5 * (1.27 * (1 + Versatility))] damage

[pearl meteor]

Yes

[ionic charm]

Not even cheese at this point, it’s just how they work

[pearl meteor]

Sure

[dark token]

1+ versatility 🤔

[lone junco]

Stam flasks and pvp trinkets or something.

How weird.

[forest patio]

is one SS worth more then having 3 +5 archives?

[lean coral]

is it actually fucking called nothing personal

[dark token]

Vendetta giving 50 energy is cancer

[unique zenith]

Yes

[dark token]

It's already too much energy with lust at first

[pearl meteor]

What

[hollow stone]

I see what you mean. But blizz flat out said they dont want surv cds like karma to be used offensively as it currently is

Its ams all over again

[pearl meteor]

Ur complaining about free energy

Im tilted

[dark token]

You are telling me you don't cap sometimes with vendetta mut exsang before you start mut envenom spam

[ionic charm]

Ret uses SoV as a dps cd too

[lean coral]

where did you find info on this new trait?

[unique zenith]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=287643/patch-8-1-build-27985-achievements-and-class-updates

[dark token]

That 50 energy goes nowhere

[pearl meteor]

I didnt say that

[indigo verge]

is there a way to sim all the combinations of weapon enchants to see whats best?

[woeful moth]

If this was sub I would feel the same. But sin has so much energy

[lone junco]

Mut is so low on the profile. Buffing mut hit seems silly. They are just trying to pump VR talent.

[pearl meteor]

But without it

U wldnt cap n u wld run out faster

[forest patio]

Why is bloodmallet saying SS with sub is still simming lower then archives and most traits

[pearl meteor]

🙃

It is

4head

[ionic charm]

Because bloodmallet uses MA

[vestal zodiac]

It's gonna be pretty bonkers for pvp though

[lone junco]

Bloodmallet uses MA. Not subterfuge.

[forest patio]

ah ok thanks

[dark token]

Using bloodmallet over rogue designed website for rogues

🤔

[pearl meteor]

Lol

[hollow stone]

Rip shadowcraft

[woeful moth]

Which one is rogue designed??

[void pecan]

herodamage

?

[ionic charm]

Herodamage, the designer is a part of the disc

[void pecan]

as you can see inthe users on the very top

[unique zenith]

I dont play assa at all but nothing personal sounds like kind of trait you'd only want one of

[dark token]

It will just add mut dmg

[ionic charm]

It sounds like a dogshit trait is what it sounds like

[dark token]

It's equivalent of first dance for sub

[lone junco]

Will the Mut crit from pw stack the mut trait ?

[dark token]

I have an idea for a cool trait

[lone junco]

Prob

[dark token]

Vendetta CD is reduced by 20s per trait

[lean coral]

maybe if the made the energy overtime

[ionic charm]

Nooooo vendetta cd reduction please

[unique zenith]

when mut becomes your main damage ability

[hollow stone]

I also have a cool trait idea, trait that increase garr dmg from stealth and gives extra cps. Thoughts?

[dark token]

I have another cool trait

[pearl meteor]

Yo that trait sounds fun cant have that

[dark token]

Mutilate crit chance increased by 10% per trait

[pearl meteor]

🤔🤔🤔

[nimble tartan]

BORING

[unique zenith]

Wild

[pearl meteor]

Game changing? Thats a nope

[dark token]

I have another cool defensive trait, when you cast crimson vial you get 10/20/30% dmg reduction

[pearl meteor]

Ok that i want

Lmao

[unique zenith]

I think that should be the talent instead of increased healing tbj

[pearl meteor]

Ye

[dark token]

Hire me bliz

[nimble tartan]

here's a hot trait ok, its basically a trait that gives weaponmaster to eviscerates low % stacking

hire me

[vocal harbor]

is there any way to get accurate dps readings on dummies with details? it keeps resetting when i vanish

[dark token]

I have a cool trait, when you cast eviscerate or rupture it buffs the next eviscerate or rupture by 10/20/30%

[nimble tartan]

oh fuck im in the sin channel

[ionic charm]

this was sub channel earlier

When we were talking about zul

[dark token]

It's cause we all play sub for zul anyway

[hollow stone]

All the green names is misleading

[dark token]

Let's be real

[ionic charm]

I’m too lazy to switch my spec in this channel every week

I play whatever, fuck it

[hollow stone]

Thats why i went gold

[dark token]

Enjoy bench

[hollow stone]

Or peach

Whatever this shit is

[unique zenith]

Nah, new assa trait, call of the edgeblades, during vendetta your cp generators give you full cp. Also, do +× mut damage :^)

[hollow stone]

Yea! Bring back lego daggers as trait

[main blaze]

also if you arent top of the meters, you are put at the top of the meters

[hollow stone]

They werent op at all

[dark token]

New sin trait when poison bombprocs it procs 3 other poison bombs next to it when it expires that root targets in them

[pearl meteor]

Rofl

Im dead

[nimble tartan]

heres a new sin mechanic, deadly poison is now a stackable poison that can stack up to 50 over the course of the fight getting stronger and u can consume it with a poison knife throw that will do full stack x 1.2 instantly and u can stack up again and then your envenom buff increases application rate so u want to maximize envenom buff again

hite m

e

hire me

FUCK

[ionic charm]

@main blaze what does that even mean

[unique zenith]

New trait : if you're not highest dps, siphon % dmg from anyone higher than you

[paper bough]

One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blde

Garrote
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote runs out
Garrote twice

[main blaze]

New Assn trait: If a sub or outlaw rogue is also in the raid, you steal all of their damage for the next 15s

[paper bough]

why does that say garrote twice

at the end

[vocal harbor]

for duration during subterfuge i believe

[mossy hazel]

^

[dark token]

New poison stakcs up to 5 x on a target, increases all dmg done to the target

[nimble tartan]

new trait, crimson tempest empowered by x% if it hits only one target making it another bleed to keep up

[dark token]

By x% scaling off mastery

[main blaze]

AP

lol

[unique zenith]

New trait: do 90k dps for the next 5 minutes

[paper bough]

when im doing dungeons with x2 SS trait and TB, haste is 13% (garbage) how should i open on trash besides garroting 3 mobs and using the 5 cp for a rupture

just mut until 5 andf rupture the other mobs?

[mossy hazel]

New Trait: Kill the boss 30s CD

[main blaze]

New trait: alt+f4 cause it doesnt matter anyways

[ionic charm]

New defensive trait “take no fall damage” so I can stop fucking dying all the time

[main blaze]

Id take that again

[unique zenith]

New trait: cancel the subscription of anyone that passes you on the meter

[dark token]

New sin trait: fan of shuriken knives combo. Fan of knives empowers the next evisc or rupture cast by 10% per Target hit over 1, capping at 50%

[mossy hazel]

@paper bough FoK -> Rup x3 targets -> FoK -> Enven spam if things are still up

[ionic charm]

Waterwalking and no fall damage made sub the most desirable spec just for convenience

[nimble tartan]

new trait, Multi-Rip: for every trait increase the targets effected by exsanguinate by 1 max 4 targets aoe EXSAng

[dark token]

Passive: don't reforge and switch to sub on zul

[unique zenith]

Honestly, outlaw needs trait: summon a crew of people sing sea shanties in your tank's ear.

[hollow stone]

Man, trolly af in here today, is this the outlaw channel? And yes, i know im part of the problem

[unique zenith]

Hey, we help, maybe

[ionic charm]

This is #subtlety

[nimble tartan]

outlaw trait: %chance on finisher usage to bring down barrage of cannons (old talent)

[ionic charm]

Or #wow-general

[nimble tartan]

dude how tight would that be

[lone junco]

I loved cbb. it was just garbage dps

[dark token]

Outlaw new lvl 100 talent, replaces storm of steel. Summon a flying ghost ship to bombard a target area for 10s

[nimble tartan]

ye but now its poison bomb

[lone junco]

cool graphic, and easy to use

[ionic charm]

So.... outlul pbomb?

[silk carbon]

new sin trait: when you use cheapshot on a target your next cheap shot one shots the the target

[nimble tartan]

but it does a lot of damage like old poison bomb

[ionic charm]

Time for the daily replace PB talent with KB

[hollow stone]

Just give outlaw cannon barrage (works the same as fwf for frost dk), they need more burst aoe

[ionic charm]

Please Blizzard

[alpine rain]

Do i need to try and get 5 combo point bleeds?

[dark token]

It's cannonball barrage that lasts longer with cool ghost ship gfx

[silk carbon]

new sin trait: when you use toxic blade the target is reported for toxicity and gets banned

[alpine rain]

or is it still like in legion where it doesnt matter?

[unique zenith]

Honestly. I just wish they'd get rid of snd and loaded dice and put actual competitive talents in that tier

[lone junco]

Harlan Dice is actually pretty funny. just reused the shit.

[hollow stone]

4-5cp finishers

[ionic charm]

You want 5 combo point bleeds if you’re gonna pop exsang after

[strange python]

new sin trait: bleeds last forever and deal 1000% increased damage because fuck other specs and classes

[ionic charm]

But other than that doesn’t matter

[dark token]

alacrity

[unique zenith]

Ment dnd

[dark token]

not competitive

[unique zenith]

Snd*

Brain fart

[lone junco]

forever ruptures. like affliction.

[ionic charm]

Imagine if alacrity was in place of Nightstalker

[lone junco]

grats

[alpine rain]

hmmm thought so

[ionic charm]

Or alacrity was in place of blindside

[silk carbon]

new sin trait: all other specs and classes do 50% less damage while you do 50% more damage

[dark token]

Gotta keep snd meme dreams for casuls who don't like rolling alive

[hollow stone]

I want blindside to be good so badly 😦

[strange python]

who doesnt want extra buttons

[lone junco]

@hollow stone I dabbled with pw. trying to use Blindside and vr

what a damn mess.

the garrote crit proc should apply to blindside

[ionic charm]

Blindside needs to swap places with MA tbh, makes both talents more usable in certain situations

[lone junco]

and MA is too short to actually gain cps and spend in the window

[unique zenith]

I honestly think snd is such a copout talent. Feels so anti-outlaw

[hollow stone]

Yeaaaa. Even our traits dont want us to ise blindside

It sucks

[lone junco]

blindside should just be a mega mut.

[hollow stone]

I member rag prog when you hit that p3 and spiked hard

[lone junco]

not 1cp

[ionic charm]

I get the idea of having a talent tier that is just what our vanish does, but in reality it just makes us pick a different way to do damage at the open, doesn’t really change a whole lot

[lone junco]

that new Vers to Mut would make more sense as a blindside buff as well

[nimble tartan]

new trait: blindside damage proc outside of execute range damage increased by x% stacking up to 3 times

[lone junco]

just change it to buffing all cp gen skills

(mega TB)

[ionic charm]

But what would that blindside trait do if you used EP? Increase the damage buff?

[nimble tartan]

its wild that they kept tb a talent honestly that shit is boring

[lone junco]

i dont hate it.

preferred tb over kb

[nimble tartan]

i use tb on every boss i dont even run exsang but

[ionic charm]

Less boring than venom rush lul

[nimble tartan]

i like kb more tbh

[hollow stone]

Pb should have been kb. Prove me wrong

[lone junco]

agree. solid st option

"meaningful choices"

[nimble tartan]

shoulda made a new button that was basically tb and kb in one button

[hollow stone]

We all "loved" pb because of the sweet deeps when it proc'd, now you see pb and you dont even care

[nimble tartan]

i didnt like pb when it was strong

[hollow stone]

Yea. I know. The rng was lane

[lone junco]

I played 2p4p exang. so didnt care about pb with 113% mastery

[hollow stone]

Lame. But it was like getting a 5-6 proc as outlul

[alpine rain]

Was? it still is...

[hollow stone]

Felt real good when it popped

[ionic charm]

We loved pbomb? This is news to me

[hollow stone]

It still is but less so

[lone junco]

Tom loved pb.

230% mastery shoulder bombs.

WEEEEEEE

[void pecan]

I only liked it because of my slot machine wa..

[hollow stone]

It was like 4% in legion vs 16-20% now

Anyway, give us kb over pb as out st option and make blindside good. Thx

[ionic charm]

Lol I had a 985 mastery neck from court at the end of the xpac, I was running over 200% mast and I hated it

But KB was the best part of the spec, I would agree with bringing that back

Although it would buff TB too much, unless they were on the same tier

[buoyant anchor]

!stat

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > mastery > vers >= haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[ionic charm]

Since TB and Exs are already close, MA and TB would get buffs if we had KB available

[hollow stone]

Would just need a bit of rebalancing to work it out and we all know how good blizz is at rebalancing.....

[lone junco]

I'd love to circle jerk about imaginary traits. But works gotta work.

[analog dune]

How good is overwhelming power in raids/m+?

[hollow stone]

Bis

[analog dune]

Compared to Head my call

[ionic charm]

Great in raids, meh in m+

[analog dune]

Even though u loose stacks when u take dmg?

[ionic charm]

The rate that they fall off on their own makes most instances of taking damage fairly insignificant

Also, git gud and don’t take damage

[hollow stone]

Heed is a fine substitute but op is, well, op

[ionic charm]

As long as it’s not globules 😛

[hollow stone]

That all being said, its not really worth seeking out tier 2 traits

With how shit this az farming system is at least

[analog dune]

Yeah well realised i had a 370 piece that was better than my 385, feelsbad

[ionic charm]

Yeah but the choice between Earthlink, gutripper, and unstable flames (or whatever it’s called) on my 385 pieces just piss me off

[analog dune]

Whats your 1st tier tho?

[silk carbon]

isnt gutripper one of the higher simming ones

[ionic charm]

On that one it’s either SB or SoB so not great either lol. But sims higher than SS with OP at 15 ilvls lower

[tribal lark]

whats our opener with master ass tal?

[analog dune]

I have ruinous bolt and FoB on my 385..

[ionic charm]

G m r ven van Tb m env m env

[tribal lark]

ty

[ionic charm]

Some people are saying it should be g m r ven tb m van env m env but sim apl says otherwise

[broken crypt]

so i have a good start but fall behind quick

[novel moss]

So whats the deal then we using Master sin over subterfuge now for ST providing we have no SS trait?

[lone junco]

Master assassin works well with tb. And most of the other st traits. Just a short shitty version of legion shoulders.

And SS. Subterfuge is over 9-23 sec. so 3sec of 50% crit isn't going to matter.

[crisp hollow]

maybe i missed the writeup on RH about SS but what's the logic behind finishing your opener with 2 additional garrotte applications?

[grizzled harness]

Hey there. I'm wondering, how do you sim yourself for Zul? 😮 5boss/5min?

[crisp hollow]

mythic Zul?

[grizzled harness]

Nah, HC

[crisp hollow]

oh ok

[fervent fox]

hey when are you guys using CT on m+ packs...immediately after garrotes? Or after a rupture or 2?

[grizzled harness]

On Sub too tbh

[dark token]

I like 5 boss patchwerk 3 min

As sub

[broken crypt]

12k sustained on dummy kinda shitty damn.

[dark token]

@fervent fox on packs of 3+ after garrotes, on packs of 2 after a rupture

Basically you want 3 bleeds going then maintain CT

[crisp hollow]

are you simming without buffs Dox?

12k with no pot/lust isn't that bad

[broken crypt]

just beatin on the dummy by myself

[crisp hollow]

yeah go to raidbots and uncheck the buffs section on a patchwerk sim

you might be doing well

[grizzled harness]

Thanks Frozen

[broken crypt]

my problem is my dps dips real low then goes back up a little when vanish is up, obv cuz of SS

[strange python]

Then get traits with stats

Like agil, crit, haste

[desert vault]

@broken crypt what ilvl are you?

[broken crypt]

365

[desert vault]

Huh ok, was just curious. I sim at like 9.6k with zero buffs and can keep up around 10-10.5k sustained on dummy, only 355 ilvl

[broken crypt]

i do have galecaller

without it i am 10k

[desert vault]

I don't use GC, prefer Dice over it and I've only got 340s of both so just Dice for me

[dark token]

not using gc

[desert vault]

don't see much difference between the two in sims or in practice either

[dark token]

Do you have any ss traits

[desert vault]

I run SS, PW, and Laser at the moment not that great, but better than my alternatives 😃

[vernal atlas]

you still wanna clip envenom at 0.1, right?

[desert vault]

More about EB than Envenom I think

[vernal atlas]

o rly

[desert vault]

Yeah, Envenom should come along with EB if you keep EB up as much as you can

[vernal atlas]

but still you wanna make sure that env uptime is as high as possible and not spam your energy

ok

[desert vault]

Yeah, I always try to pool a bit and get at least 2-3 finishers off together within an EB window if I can

[hollow stone]

Yea. You want 100% ep up time and env right before it falls off. You wont get 100 ep uptime, but thats the goal

[novel moss]

So using MA instead of subterfuge now, what is the opener difference or there isn't any changes (No SS traits)?

[vernal atlas]

okay, so its not rly env that I am looking at, its ep. tahnks for the advice

[hollow stone]

Opener changes drastically between ma tb and subt ss exsang

[slate jacinth]

This is abit of an off question, but my DH Vengeance buddy is saying that you cannot sim a "tank". Is that true? On the simulation options on raidbots, is there nothing I can select to sim his char as a tank?

Sorry I dont have any1 else to ask..

[heady ore]

I open g r g g ven TB env. with subterfuge am I right ?

[hollow stone]

No. That 3rd g is fucking your dps

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[slim olive]

You can only sim for dps output but not survivalibliy

[hollow stone]

Sim tanks how..? Simming for tanks still gives your dps sim? What does he want?

[slate jacinth]

I see, thanks Trigz

[hollow stone]

A survivability sim? Lol

[heady ore]

Oh thanks

[novel moss]

There is no technical way to "sim" to see what gear is best for suvivability

[slim olive]

^

[novel moss]

best thing he can do is refer to his discord

[slate jacinth]

So for non-DPS stacking a single stat is perfectly fine?

[hollow stone]

Or just run dmg traits like all the other tanks

Thats a loaded question. It depends on the spec and what youre looking for

[sturdy python]

Vengeance dh want straight haste

Haste haste and haste

[slate jacinth]

I see.. I'll leave it as it is here for now, since its not rogue related. Thanks a ton :>

[hollow stone]

Idk vdh, but bdk, you literally stack as much haste as you possibly can because you will never hit a point where you have too many runes. From the sound of things, its the same for vdh based on that other guy's comment

[sturdy python]

Yup because of demon spikes and more spirit bombs and what not

[slim olive]

Just look at the wowhead guides

[dark token]

Who even casts demon spikes

Just fracture fracture spirit bomb

Repeat

Veng dh rotation

[sturdy python]

Lol

[heady ore]

Another thing, do you cast TB on cd or wait to have 4 cp to env straight away ?

[hollow stone]

Your goal w tb is to have 2 env in your tb window

[heady ore]

Okay thx

[novel moss]

Yeha but if you're using master assassin talent now over subterfuge with no SS traits in either is there a different opener or still Garrote > mutil (4cp+) > Rupture > mutil > Vendetta > TB > Multil (4+cp) > envenom

[dark token]

You use it on CD

You should have prepped cp and energy beforehand to accomplish that 2 envenom

[novel moss]

I just meant the opener mate :p

[dark token]

If necessary

[last osprey]

Do I always want to refresh garrote/rupture to max pandemic duration before using exsang (not on opener and even without vendetta)?

[dark token]

Rupture yes garrote if you have room for cp

Do your refreshes in the 2 gcds before exsang so you don't delay

4 or higher cp for rupture

[last osprey]

Thanks. Is it worth switching to sin for Vectis if I dont have SS? I have double laser matrix and one archive, I usually play sub and sim higher with it but feels like sub doesnt suit this fight at all

[frozen karma]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7XpBTDnx5MtXGhSAMXmshL

So my current trinket is galecaller's boon

I guess in a fight mydas would be better due to having to move?

[hollow stone]

You gotta be trolling

[frozen karma]

?

[hollow stone]

Mydas is the biggest pos of all pos trinkets in the current game

[tender frost]

how is your dps so low on patwerk?

[frozen karma]

maybe but consider the sim

[tender frost]

also.. I have a question for exsang. after your opener when is it best to reapply it?

[frozen karma]

3 dps difference in patchwork and fights need you to move most of the time

[tender frost]

i normally use toxic blade and this is confusing me lol

[wheat zealot]

Use exsang on cd

And gcb > mydas anyday man

Mydas is hot garbage

[frozen karma]

Yes but look at my sim

[hollow stone]

Id rather have a 340 gcb than a 400 socketed mydas w speed

[frozen karma]

I just explained my thoughts

3 dps difference in patchwork and fights need you to move most of the time

[tender frost]

i did a heavy ad cleave sim and had better dps

and im 364.

[wheat zealot]

Gcb increases burst dps considerably, mydas makes your next 3 auto attacks do more dmg

[frozen karma]

did you even check my sim link?

[wheat zealot]

Ik the sim

Yes

[frozen karma]

then why are you being dumb

[wheat zealot]

Bc sims dont always account for real life

[lusty ruin]

Hello everyone, does anyone know that they are the exact heading of every rogue statistic ? 😃

[wheat zealot]

Why are you being dumb?

[frozen karma]

Exactly, in real life you have to move

I don,t understand your logic

[wheat zealot]

Or just watch a timer

And work around mechanics?

[orchid imp]

If i cast garrote with Elaborate planning will it be 10% increase during the whole duration of garrote or only 10% during Elaborate planning?

[wheat zealot]

Dont pop gcb when u have to move in 2 seconds

[tender frost]

patchwerk is a stnad still fight..

[last osprey]

Do you delay exsang for vanish/vendetta?

[ionic charm]

@orchid imp only while EP is active

[desert pelican]

isnt it too low?) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qHpqWX4rLetBhJ86ingXjf

[ionic charm]

@last osprey 4th exsang should be held 10s to line up with 2nd vanish/vend

[hollow stone]

Did you look at your own sim? You simmed mydas vs mydas......

[wheat zealot]

LOL

[last osprey]

Thanks

[tiny vapor]

@desert pelican Second trinket is really bad

[desert pelican]

yay, im buying fathoms in 2 hours, just think about other )

dont mind fathoms gives me about 1k dps ;D

[frozen karma]

My bad then

but my point is still valid

[tiny vapor]

Have you tried multiple talents ?

If Mydas was any good

[tender frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nJcFfPdbC9YcaJHthkvY4B

[wheat zealot]

Not really, bc your sim is invalid

[hollow stone]

Sim the correct comparison, i bet gcb sims higher

[wheat zealot]

So there is no point

[frozen karma]

It is valid, if both were at the same dps and one is patchwerk vs moving then mydas would come on top

[wheat zealot]

Sim corectly then come back

[tender frost]

i have gbc and fathoms.

[ionic charm]

There is also no fight where you can’t find a 10s time to stand still

[hollow stone]

"If". Sure. But they wont be the same, sim again and report

[wheat zealot]

^^^

[tender frost]

i said that before.. patchwerk doesnt really "werk"

[desert pelican]

@tiny vapor exshang sims 100 higher than tb, but im prefer tb. 100 sim dps is nothing compare to 1 bad use of exshang

[tender frost]

and raidbots sims the perfect situation doesnt it.? buffs, pots, flasks etc?

im just testing exsanguinate.. i normally use tb

[wheat zealot]

Yeah it assumes you have raid buffs

Unlesd you disable them

[desert pelican]

@tiny vapor ma even lower 😉

[hollow stone]

You can choose from a ton of options, default does that, yes

[wheat zealot]

Exshang

[desert pelican]

@Ghoukh https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pN2Ssw3n8hAxE7pLpYGd1C fathom gives me ~200 dps

[hollow stone]

I cant look away from the infinity buttholes

[desert pelican]

isnt it anyway low?

[wheat zealot]

I cant stop picturing shawn connery

[ionic charm]

What? To both of those

[wheat zealot]

To exshang

Lul

[ionic charm]

Ah

[hollow stone]

And mine was about the buttholes

9/10, when i say a thing, its about buttholes

[tender frost]

luls

[ionic charm]

@hollow stone hmmmm

This says otherwise

[hollow stone]

😮 stalker

[tiny vapor]

It looks low yeah @desert pelican

[hollow stone]

This guy's a rogue irl too

[ionic charm]

I’m taking a knowhatemcensus

[vocal kindle]

is it just something ive done or does toxic blade just select the nearest target?

[wheat zealot]

Apple got exposed

[tender frost]

no

[wheat zealot]

😂

[hollow stone]

Did my... did my butthole get exposed?!

[wheat zealot]

[tender frost]

Aight, that's enough of this discord for today.. not very helpful lol

[hollow stone]

Tb hits the target you are targetting

Lol, yes, i know what you are saying, you dont need to keep asking (south park)

[ionic charm]

Ok Butters you pimpin

[hollow stone]

Did you have another question @tender frost?

[tender frost]

actually wait before i leave.. is snapshotting still a thing? like if i have an exsang'd rupture up and reapply another rupture do they combine ?

or does the new one refresh without exsang?

[desert pelican]

@tiny vapor dont know why. statweights tip me to get more haste, but right no no more pieces with better stats. maybe im just have low haste of ~1k. but with 1.5k haste im sims lower -_-

[hollow stone]

The only snapshotting we have now is gcb into xsang afaik

Correct me if wrong

[wheat zealot]

Subterfuge is snapshotting in a way

And nighstalker

But who uses nightstalker lul

[desert pelican]

@tiny vapor https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nbQsVH6yyB4iKZABnA9d9M exshamg evem sims lower right now

[ionic charm]

Exsang snapshots with current haste. Using rupture again while that dot is active gets rid of exsang

[tender frost]

aww.. boo

so let it tick to 0

[wheat zealot]

Bruh its exsang not exshang stop making me see shawn connery

[ionic charm]

Yes, let it drop off completely. Last tick needs to hit

[tender frost]

ty.

now continue with your buttholes ❤

[digital locust]

Poison bomb or crimson tempest at mythic zek'voz? Seeing people use both in the top logs, but shouldn't crimson tempest be really good when all the warrior adds show up?

[wheat zealot]

Depends on your group

[ionic charm]

I used CT. Depends on if you need aoe or st dmg

[slim olive]

Depends on your raid

If adds Insta die it's a waste

[digital locust]

good point, ty

[hollow stone]

For m zek, ct is recommended in general (if not going outlaw) but if you have great aoe in your group (like 2fdk, 2dh, and a warr), pb is going to be better for p2 burn phase

[slim olive]

Yeah just dick the boss if you have a lot of competition

[hollow grove]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QY1Ncy6ntKWCJApg#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=17

could anyone check my log

please

[ionic charm]

What group are you going with? Because that rupture uptime can be ok or god awful

[wheat zealot]

Seems like your going through in one of the early groups

I wouldnt worry too much about your damage on that fight

[jaunty ginkgo]

anyone know if it matters which hand your deadly/quick navigations are on?

[wheat zealot]

Doesnt matter at all

[strange python]

In terms of keys, Assassination is the best spec for AOE right?

[hollow grove]

im simming 15k

and only doing 12k

-_-

[ionic charm]

You only have 65% rupture uptime. So if you’re only on boss 65% of the time you’re fine

Or you suck at keeping up dots 😛

But that doesn’t look like the case

[hollow grove]

well i cant because boss is in middle

so i cant stand on blood

[ionic charm]

What blood is there to stand on in mother?

[velvet geyser]

But, did you exshanguinate?

[hollow grove]

taloc

im using tb

[ionic charm]

You linked mother logs lol

You should select the pull you are talking about before you link logs

[heady ore]

On intermission taloc reduces damage like 90 or 99% don't remember

[hollow grove]

sorry let me check again

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QY1Ncy6ntKWCJApg#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=17

[mellow apex]

guys

why is SS still so OP on bosses

but the sims say its shit

[onyx falcon]

this might be interesting... new trait for 8.1

[mellow apex]

I got the best items that the sims tell me

but when i play SS triple stacked i do more dps

[ionic charm]

@hollow grove your rotation looks fine until you get to the bloods and you stop using garrote, and you only cast 3 ruptures, each blood should have rupture and garrote kept up

[spice surge]

The name though

[hollow stone]

In st raid environment? @mellow apex

[mellow apex]

yes

taloc

and fetid

[ionic charm]

I think they’re calling it nothing personal to say that to us because it’ll be so bad

[onyx falcon]

i feel like Vers is gonna be stat'd higher in 8.1

[hollow stone]

Ss is not great for st but if youre utilizing ss w xsang on vuln phases it can be quite strong still. As for taloc, ss shouldnt be better than equal ilvl of more desirable traits

Do you think your non ss execution is maybe the issue?

[ionic charm]

@onyx falcon that’s literally just the standard vers multiplier on every ability

[hollow stone]

And you really should (if available) be using 1x archive or lm in uldir

Array stacks are big

[stable otter]

yeah, 375 haste

pretty big

[hollow stone]

Ss subt xsang will also burst higher than non ss ma builds. So if your kills are fast, that could be a difference too

Its tough to give definite answers w the info you have provided

[lone junco]

@onyx falcon 1*verse was already assumed. So they are either just stating it there. Or actually double dipping with verse.

[onyx falcon]

ah mk

[lone junco]

Cause any stab for 100 is 100*(1+verse). But that's my simple brain math.

But if they are actually folding it into the trait scale. Maybe verse wasn't actually effecting stuff. Or they want to double it up without having super whites.

[onyx falcon]

basically theyre just explictly stating their math now so they get 100 marks from their math teacher

[lone junco]

If you make verse stronger rating to %. Then your whites can jump.

But I'm not Tc. And leave the math to the smort people.

[onyx falcon]

maffs is hard

[lone junco]

they are probably just trying to poke the weak traits by giving it a way to scale.

[hollow stone]

Can confirm they are just laying out the maths

[hollow grove]

is crimson tempest best for zek?

instead of pb

[hollow stone]

Zek what? Norm? Hc? Mythic?

[hollow grove]

mythic

[hollow stone]

Short answer: yes. Longer answer: depends on your group's ability to kill adds fast and if you have an outlaw set that is comparable to your sin set

Cause outlaw shreds m zek

[hollow grove]

aye it's just my traits

[drifting hare]

since when garrote trait is still stronger than titans?

one of our rogues is playing 2x garrote and he's owning dps meters on mythic

must be a joke

[hollow stone]

What?

Is there a question there?

[drifting hare]

how is it possible after nerf?

[hollow stone]

Ilvl

[spice surge]

What do you mean

Its still a good trait

Just because its not always 100% the best

doesnt mean its awful

[hollow stone]

Ss is still good. Just not bis always

Damn, i should learn to read before hitting send

[pastel vault]

Outlaw shreds the Warriors on zek :p

[hollow cloud]

[hollow grove]

the trait's are for ass not outlawe

so when i change i wont have traits

[drifting hare]

hes wearing 2x 340 for it and 1x 355 it's kinda annoying tbh

since i got 385 pieces

[pallid venture]

Guys, Shroud suffocation still have that bug?

[mossy hazel]

He could be better than you? 😛

[south basin]

I do not believe it has been fixed

[mossy hazel]

I thought I read somewhere they didn't have any intention of fixing it... But don't quote me on that

[primal gazelle]

what if hes just a better player and nothing to do with the traits?

[vast forum]

traits don't play the game for you 😛

[grizzled panther]

does it matter what wep i got in mh/oh or like enchants?

[mossy hazel]

1 Haste 1 crit for weapon enchants, highest weapon damage in mh

[vernal atlas]

the one with higher dps should be main

echants dont matter

[grizzled panther]

Cheers

and trinkets i just gotta sim myself for?

[proven ice]

enchants matter for envenom rupture and garrote

but the proc is so high it doesn't really matter

[grizzled panther]

i got a 370 frenetic corpsule but it sims almost as good as a 350 gale with socket

[mossy hazel]

That's because Gale is rated as THE best trinket right now

[south basin]

^

[hollow cloud]

[south basin]

gale is bis for most specs that can use it, obviously depending on ilvl

[grizzled panther]

so i shud be using gale instead

[south basin]

raid trinkets are ASS this tier

[hollow cloud]

[tranquil notch]

does double dose change rotation?

[grizzled panther]

is the dice any good i got a 380 one aswell

[south basin]

yeah

[mossy hazel]

Dice is easily top 5

[normal forge]

I think for ST gale and dice are 1 and 2

[south basin]

the short answer is: sim it

[mossy hazel]

Spyglass I think is 2

It also kind of depends on your build; TB vs Ex

[grizzled panther]

imma sim different trink combos then

im running exh

[mossy hazel]

Yea, a good GCB, Spyglass or Dice are top 3

[hybrid harness]

Looking at the PTR notes, does this mean SS and double dose are going to scale with AP now?

[grizzled panther]

yeah i sim 1%higher with a 350 gale instead of a 370 frenetic

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bFBdTPFEVA6nM3BN6VzCoD

[mossy hazel]

I don't think so... What would lead you to that idea, @hybrid harness

[hybrid harness]

Shrouded Suffocation Garrote cast from Stealth generates 2 additional Combo Points and deals 39 additional damage. [ 39 * (1 + 27 / 100.2 * (1 + 0.2) * (1 + (170% of Spell Power) / 100.2).2) ] additional damage.

let me screenshot instead so it doesnt lose formatting

sec

[desert vault]

Spyglass is only from WQs?

[mossy hazel]

I genuniely don't know, I don't see anything in there about AP

[hybrid harness]

spellpower for melee specs is a function of attack power

[mossy hazel]

Oh geeze... My brain went to azerite power... I'm going home now

I was sooooo confused.... I couldn't fathom anything scaling with azerite power

[rigid sonnet]

does shadowmeld apply the subterfuge dmg buff to garrote?

[mossy hazel]

Doesn't matter, we killed all the night elves

[hardy cave]

One question, is it worth the agi gem?

+40 agi?

[south basin]

lol yes ofc

[shy escarp]

it's pretty much a +15 ilevel boost for whatever piece of gear you socket it in

[south basin]

just put it on a piece you wont replace for awhile if ur interested in saving even a little bit of your gold :^)

[round harbor]

@pastel vault we're u just gonna play sub for everything? I noticed ur like the only sub rogue on our server lol

[mossy hazel]

I got 2 sockets the same day, 1 was a 375, one was a 355. I accidently put the +40 in the 355... I was pissed

[south basin]

yo I feel that

but also dont cuz my guild pays for gems

LOL

[spice surge]

Gems costs like 40g lol

[hardy cave]

ok ok xDD

[south basin]

what kind of server are you on

where kraken's eyes are 40g?

[spice surge]

Oh kraken's eyes

Haste is still above agi for me 🤷

[south basin]

I'd imagine it is for all sin rogues 360ish+

[mossy hazel]

I actually finally broke back to agi > haste last night

362

[devout moth]

for me agi is 1.98 and haste 2.2

im 372

[hybrid harness]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ChCnDQW218k68SqeKsebh
You can't escape the haste

[mossy hazel]

What the shit?? It was agi over haste last night after raid! I haven't even been on yet today. Lol

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x1rvHZG3HyxyVuJ4cXWH5j

You've only got 12% haste though, @hybrid harness

[hybrid harness]

+375 haste in raid

and +1300 haste once per minute

If I don't equip galecalers, haste is closer to 2.5 for me

[normal forge]

Those feels when you get a 15 ilvl upgrade galecallers but yours has a 40 agi socket in it

Lost dps in the sim :(

[pastel vault]

@round harbor I play all the specs

Tore up heroic yesterday as outlaw

[lone junco]

Yeee Haw.

🤠

[visual token]

Lmao

[mossy hazel]

I deserved that

[lone junco]

Bummed I didn't have a grey marker on my phone app.

[devout moth]

so guys

i heard some rumors that assa is going to get buffed'

or got stealth buffed

i'm looking for the source

[south basin]

hmu with that sauce if you find it

but I doubt it

[dreamy solstice]

can anyone take a look at my logs and tell me what im doing wrong

[south basin]

sin is rlly strong rn

[dreamy solstice]

im simming 14k dps but only doing like 11-12~

[lone junco]

Using big boy pots?

[south basin]

sims assume prepot, potting during fight, 100% uptime

[dreamy solstice]

im prepotting most fights, i feel like uptime is where im lacking but on pulls i feel like my uptime is pretty good

just want someone who knos what to look for to give me some advice

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/skullcrusher/am

[south basin]

well yeah, what I'm saying is 100% uptime is unobtainable

[dreamy solstice]

yeah my parses are just literal dog shitr

[south basin]

75% garrote uptime

78% rupture uptime

that would be your problem

looking at most recent fetid kill

[lone junco]

Exang dumps them early. Make sure they are refreshed asap. Don't need a large gap. It is a super short fight so 2-3sec of rupture will show up as a few %

[dreamy solstice]

most recent fetid is 91.7 garrote 89.4 rupture isnt it

i use TB

[south basin]

err, sorry

your highest parse on fetid

not most recent

[lone junco]

Great. Then easy 98% uptime

[silent plinth]

Wait have I been using exsang wrong this whole time. U want ur exsang dots to expire?

[lone junco]

Yes.

Do you know what exang does to your SS?

[south basin]

if you dont let the dots fall off you're missing some ticks

[lone junco]

Exang does a few things.

[silent plinth]

Oof I been reapplying right after

[lone junco]

Just let it hit 0 then refresh.

[mossy hazel]

Ouch

[lone junco]

That subterfuge super tick is for full duration. All the way to the end. Exang snaps the haste value and tick rate is super high. So it is ticking for way more than normal. Way faster than normal.

[dreamy solstice]

so rupture and garrote uptime is my biggest issue? seems crazy that 10% more uptime would make that parse blue or purple

[devout moth]

when it comes to exsang isn't it better to reapply garrote and rupture before using it?

[lone junco]

If you refresh early. It is literally chopping the end of your major cd off.

[south basin]

sort of @devout moth

you want to snapshot your garrote with SS

if you exsang an unbuffed garrote

ur dps is going down the shitter

[round harbor]

That's why u run tb if you have no clue how exsang works lol

I say it like everyday

[lone junco]

Good plan.

[devout moth]

i mean there is 2 min cd on vanish meaning we have to go for a exsang with no empower garrote. right?

[lone junco]

Yes.

[drifting hare]

lazer matrix recommended for aoe fights?

[lone junco]

GC exang.

Ish

[devout moth]

the optimal use of exsang is having empowered garrote + rupture full duration before using it

right?

[velvet kernel]

yeah

but you aint going to have that all the time

45 sec cd vs 2min cd

[clever tartan]

No gale needed

Fetid hc

[sterile ocean]

Oh they fixxed assassin so you dont need Sharpened blades now?

[clever tartan]

Not needed

[velvet kernel]

how long of a fight should i sim

[clever tartan]

5 min

[south basin]

default patchwerk is 5 min

[clever tartan]

But depends this fight last 2 lol

[empty gyro]

Thoughts on Exs vs TB? I mostly see people using Exs, is that generally the better choice? Does one scale more with gear etc?

[velvet kernel]

depends on gear

[clever tartan]

Using tb

[serene dome]

MA vs Subterfuge. 3 dps difference.. This is with 0 SS pieces, if i equip one SS and go subterfuge i lose 180 dps. But the question is, is the playstyle change worth it? Is there any guides around for optimal MA openers.

[lost sentinel]

my sims haven't had enough difference for me to care, using TB atm

[clever tartan]

Sim yourself to see

[empty gyro]

I personally like the play style of Exs because TB windows can seem ruthless if you haven't pooled properly

[latent field]

should I wait for exs to come back up before I use vendetta vanish garrote

[lost sentinel]

same with MA vs subterfuge, no real dps difference, at least in single target

[south basin]

@latent field depends on the cd

[empty gyro]

If its like 10 sec until vend etc. I would

[safe relic]

!ςα

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[peak saffron]

after rebuffing dots for their full duration and then using exsan, I should let them fall off completely because they're "empowered" by exsanguinate, right? or do I refresh in pandemic regardless of using exsanguinate?

[tropic heron]

is exsanguinate better for PVP?

[clever tartan]

What weak auras do you guys use?

[south basin]

@peak saffron that's correct, let them completely fall off and reapply asap

[peak saffron]

thanks @south basin

[serene dome]

Anyone know optimal MA opener, been playing with SS this whole time.

[strange python]

Check APL

But its Garrote > Muti > Rup > ven > vanish > tb > mut > env and continue

[serene dome]

Cheers, where can i find the APL?

Idk what it stands for ^^

[strange python]

Action priority list

On sim

and then go into Sample Sequence

pins in #tc-research

[vernal atlas]

really confused on when to pool is beneficial and when not.... is it beneficial to pool to get two finisher into ep?? or when will I pool? cuz otherwise I could also only spam....

[serene dome]

Alright, thanks. That makes sense. I'll check out the pins, i do sim myself, but never used APL.

[clever tartan]

Whats apl

Prio list lol

[strange python]

lul :X

Mother M

[empty gyro]

Were you in the last group to cross?

[cyan frost]

are you supposed to be using exang and gc on CD or make them line up wth each other somehow?

[empty gyro]

gc?

[hollow stone]

His group had to do room 3 "zerg" strat for that sim. Gj man

He crushed his guildies lmao

[south basin]

"ay bro can u go in group 1 we need cc's on the adds"

[strange python]

@strange python Nothing wrong with the dps?

[south basin]

"BUT MY PARSESSSSSS"

[strange python]

I got 14,3k and I was in the first group to cross

Mother parses don't really matter imo 🤷

[empty gyro]

I like checking Taloc parses tbh

[hollow stone]

Mythic mother matters imo but meh

Opinion

[strange python]

But it all depends in which group you are

[hollow stone]

Not with 20 man zerg strat

Which is how you parse on m mother

[strange python]

Not every1 has 2 shamans

we got it in 2 groups by 10 ppl

[empty gyro]

No one has shamans 😛

[hollow stone]

So true. But i mean, he got a 100 parse sooo

[tropic heron]

whoa 100 parse?

amazing just amazing

[strange python]

Im 14,3k and im 23%

He's 16,7k and 100%

damn the fucking difference

[lean kite]

anyone using MA?

[hollow stone]

Yea. That burn in r3 is a big boi

[empty gyro]

specially with CDs up

[strange python]

Enh only needs to get 12k in order to get 97% parse

heh

[hollow stone]

I peaked ~65k in r3 without xsang

[empty gyro]

I would not want to be a part of that lol

[hollow stone]

I can only imagine what you could peak at w optimal gear n talents

[empty gyro]

97% is onl 12k 😦 rough life

[strange python]

@polar trench

[clever tartan]

He has by ilvl

[strange python]

You have to get a role in the #bot-spam channel

[clever tartan]

So its not 100 for all rogues

[strange python]

Yes it is

[hollow stone]

Look again

[empty gyro]

I think ive seen outlaws with 22-24 or something on mother

[hollow stone]

100 for spex

Poophead

[empty gyro]

:((

[polar trench]

thank you for that michee ❤

[empty gyro]

Thats my word Apple

[hollow stone]

Haha

[strange python]

I bet shadow priest can get 5k dps and get a 100% parse

[empty gyro]

r.i.p

[hollow stone]

Lol wut is shadow priest?

[strange python]

A long forgotten spec

[pallid bluff]

Tfw shadow priests are actually pretty good but all of them suck

[clever tartan]

How much dos did he do

15.7?

Mother hc?

[strange python]

what

[daring imp]

good ol' surrender to madness in xavius days

[round ledge]

lol

[clever tartan]

The parse

[round ledge]

mfw I get 355 shoulders

[strange python]

its 16.7k on mythic mother

[round ledge]

and they sim lower than my 340 shoulders

blizz pls

[hollow stone]

We do not speak of those dark days @daring imp

[daring imp]

lul

[hollow stone]

I remember our spriest going from like 10th on the meter to first by like 5%

It was stupid

[sudden trench]

Our spriest is actually really good

[pallid bluff]

so is mine. he does bonkers m+ damage

[thin patio]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[pallid bluff]

people just cant get over the meme

spriests are in a fine spot ecspecially for a hybrid class

[hollow stone]

Theyre really strong in rbgs

[sudden trench]

They are strong everywhere

[round ledge]

apart from m+ lul

and raids

[dense yarrow]

!ss

[prisma monolith]

Shrouded Suffocation
Currently still bugged. Applying 1-3 Garrotes in Subterfuge, and then applying another Garrote outside of Subterfuge, all of your Subterfuge-empowered Garrotes lose the Shrouded Suffocation multiplier, However the Subterfuge multiplier still remains.
Advised to not cast unbuffed Garrotes to avoid losing SS trait damage bonuses until this has been fixed.

[pallid bluff]

they are actually great in M+

[pallid ether]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[sudden trench]

Lol gimme 1 sec

[round ledge]

I mean

they're not

[pallid bluff]

you just dont play with good spriests

your literally wrong

[round ledge]

find me a spriest top 100

[empty gyro]

top 100 lol

[spice surge]

Spriests arent awful, but saying they do the same damage as mages/rogues/dhs is just wrong

[south basin]

I dont think there are 100 shadow priests in the world my guy

[empty gyro]

I don't think things have to be top .001% to be good

[sudden trench]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/barthilas/ryngz

Thats his logs. Check hc

[round ledge]

They might be fine for casual play, sure

but they're certainly not //good//

[sudden trench]

Spriest pump mate

[empty gyro]

I just want my 4th garrote to be fixed 😦

[round ledge]

there are things that are outright better in every aspect lol

https://www.wowprogress.com/mythic_plus/

no coincidence that the first spriest that appears is 269

lmao

[empty gyro]

But he's still there

[pallid bluff]

so they arent one of the top 3 specs?

[sudden trench]

You daid raids matw

[pallid bluff]

that means they are bad

🤔

[sudden trench]

They are strong as fk in raids

[round ledge]

lol vel

you sound like some crybaby heroic raider

[empty gyro]

Yes they could be better

[pallid bluff]

nah i dont raid

i just do M+

[round ledge]

yeah figures

you farm +5s or some shit?

[pallid bluff]

where spriests are actually really good

[empty gyro]

Here we go

[sudden trench]

Tbh @round ledge you sound like it

[round ledge]

I mean

https://www.wowprogress.com/mythic_plus/

https://www.wowprogress.com/mythic_plus/

https://www.wowprogress.com/mythic_plus/

they're not

lol

really good if you're an inbred fuck maybe

[pallid bluff]

https://raider.io/characters/us/spirestone/Velrogue

i farm 5s m*

yup

[sudden trench]

This toxic fuck

[empty gyro]

Ok

now its goblins turn

Where's his character!!

Vel just dropped the dick

[pallid bluff]

im predicting 600 MAX score

7/8 heroic 1/8 mythic

calling it now

[round ledge]

https://raider.io/characters/us/turalyon/Flawlessxd

y same

[pallid bluff]

🤔

[spice surge]

Stop the dick measuring contest

[supple hearth]

hi whats going on

[plain thistle]

🤷

[wide furnace]

We're fighting. Who's got off?

[vernal atlas]

guys, can some1 explain me when pooling is beneficial?? very unsure if I do things right... I keep up garrote and rupture, thats np. But I barely get two finisher into ep window... shall I always pool so much that I can guarantee to get two finisher into ep?

[round ledge]

nm tbh

[supple hearth]

personal insults not okay. other than that whats really going on lol

[round ledge]

spriest are good apparently, that's why the whole community's been up in arms about them/shamans/feral since the start of the exp lul