#assassination
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jakey boi ?
first time stacking
we had people die
so KT was off
I think he just popped it at wrong time
The spriest is pretty insane tho haha
Spriest is kinda awful feeling
our RL is shadow
no clue how he does it
Make Spriest great again
i feel like encounters are totally different for spriest because if you make even small mistakes with mechanics and drop void form your damage is tanked. Add on call-outs and 
Just not very forgiving
I hear beta isn't much better
yeah our spriest is swapping to something else for bfa
Oh, honey...
BM and monk here, prolly
although who am I kidding
I'm an idiot, I'll level the rogue too
im leveling rogue and demon hunter ๐
I will probably wait for the prepatch to fully decide though
so I can play some classes out
I should ban omr
every day, really
but especially for playing DH
@safe matrix for me I'm just tired of playing a pure dps class
I want something that can tank for when I want a fast queue
or heal.
So monk
anyway that's ot.
If I do play rogue I see myself playing sin most likely. outlaw's just...not fun, as-is :/
(on beta)
and sub. Well. How bout dat third talent
rip, what changed, if anything? Or am I just
?
You should probably head to wowhead and read up on all the changes.
it was looking like outlaw had some decent talent choices when dalaran did his preview of it
The issue isn't the talents. It's that the power was ripped from the spec to make the talents
Loaded Dice shouldn't be a talent, it should be baseline or non-existent
etc. This is otl talk.
Check out the changes, talk in otl if you want about it. But a lot of "us" are pretty feelsbadman about it
welp maybe just rupturinos is the way to go then
jose when will u realize that demon hunter is the pinnacle of wow design
^
sigh
dh feels good in m+ and raids single dps spec wow its truly poggers
@nimble tartan
DH is kind of fun, I have to agree with omr
!rotation
eyebeammmmmz
!singuide
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lmfao
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yeah just spamming random commands will help
right at the top
100%
lol
!dh
Theres no real stat priority because its based on gear same as rest of the classes pretty much
!rtb
!rtb
!please stop
!no
stack haste when leveling kkkkkkona7
and simming would still show that ๐ค
ye p much
id have to luck out on another big relic like 980+ to replace another relic to go down to 1 ma and itd probably sim the same as a 3ma setup
i just slotted the 985 to my sub weapon ๐
!singuide
Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
bye
bye
๐คฆ

i miss u already flowi
Ok I was going to roll a DK, but now that flowi is....
hey guys, dumb question but is there anyway to put poison bomb on my bars? it seems really good
For pvp, i cant seem to decide if System Shock or Creeping Venom is better
On Live? Theres no PB button? On beta you drag the icon from your spell book?
Do you guys have any suggestions
yeah on live
I really like the damage, would like it to be more consistent ya know
Welcome to rogue?
yeah but if I coudl just put it on a button that would be cool, like mabye a macro?
๐ค
puts away hidden camera
Tom lives?
the vegan?
Yea vegan cross fitter
the israeli girl?
yea
makes sense why she killed him then
vegan crossfiter 
I mean at least we know she didnt eat him

they only don't eat animals
tom is an assa rogue so its cleary not offtopic
yeahm we're discussing the wellbeing of our fellow assassination rogue
Really it started with being trolled by questions
Is tom famous? can I ping him for tips?
not anymore
does being a vegan crossfiter make you better at assa?
FeelsBadMan

FeelsDonMan

@polar grail so did anyone answer your question about putting pb on your bars? plz share with me
kkthx
apparently, and not sure I believe this, but its a proc?
and we have no control over it
I know, I see all these other rogues putting up great numbers and PB is at the top, they just laugh when I ask how they did it
big meanies
I'll probably go back to playing paladin, they're super helpful over there
I think someone else is trying to take your dunce cap.

He was there yesterday
my guild is currently progressing on normal aggramar, so we're super close to ahead of the curve
No
or behind the edge or whateve its called
Under the wheelchair I think
that doesn't sound right
You are still bleedyboy
that is enough to give you teh under the wheelchair achievement
heh, exsanguinate seems really OP
Poor @jovial kite he must have it too
see the problem ben
was you went too troll
you should've dialed it backa little
and kept people guessing
I guess, subtlety is not my best spec
I'll try again in a couple days, maybe noobe will be on
they are out there, lurking, its not toooo far fetched
3/11 LfR ama
What's it like being the best player on wow?
fuu is ultra dedicated
fuu has been seeking refuge here for a while now i think
Hi fuu โค
@hoary copper have what
@void pecan good question, i would be curios too
@jovial kite Sauerkraut
^
i am here ๐ , so dont stir shit!
idk how but otl is suddenly really popular channel
Idk what to Finish people have? Herring?
start of antorus no one was writing anything there for weeks
pirates are super social
cold weather
stop teasing toph
outlaw is not terrible on beta
stop teasing me to stop teasing
esp. cause you can just go snd
Its not that hot there Argonic, quit your whining.
its hot for me
Wait argonic are you finnish too?
Denmark?
Whys that?
....
because its fun
in germany its because they dont seem to "belong" to the northern countries
so they're kinda stuck in between
never heard of that before 
i am kinda dissapointed, i expected less #off-topic
You don't talk to people
oh and you do? 
You must be new here Fuu
Fuu thats because you are in the wrong channel
what is left to theorycraft here?!?!
Don made us talk in here because he's spamming emotes in offtopic fuu
we should be meming
not our fault 
I thought #off-topic is for politics
least its not politics or kpop (sorry Toph)
and #assassination is for actual offtopic
yeah let's get perelman and aelandria (?)
you can grap the beta build of simc (compile yourself) and start optimizing the apl!
there is plenty to do
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thanks toph
flowi without role?
think the yellow was a meme until he started considering to be a mousewheel-only rogue
i can add you outlaw if you want @viscid helm
no i like white people
sure
well, i cant hand out the other blue
you mean lavender?
seli a girl confirmed
dude i wish
being white doesn't make you special
i mean
Except in the US
someone posted Kpop up there and I had to leave for a while
i mean
the first stage is denial
me
because its not purple
thats not helping
Welcome to the team Seli ๐ณ๏ธโ๐
I'll blame both 
and since it used to be purple in my mind
and they changed it
it cant be purple anymore
:<
i am confused, am i more tangerine or cantaloupe?

didnt see my new color before now and realised its the sub color
definitely tangerine
is the trinket Frogefiends fabricator is better than shadow singed fang?
no
can i get my own color fuu
youre orange fuu
i like the color of the theorycrafters
unless they change the shade of orange slightly
because two different colors cant be the same color
so id have to look up what exact color you are
until then, youre orange
dons-beard-orange

^
cba raiding right now but i kinda want to get better tier-pieces :<
yeah, ive seen people who dont even raid mythic with better tier-pieces than mythic raiders
well, time to coin for 975+ ๐
@marble hemlock http://eu.battle.net/wow/character/draenor/Yolomeme/
this is someones alt
I dunno how legos/tier are for holy but that gear is legit laughable
and he had all that alot of resets ago already
I think titanforging isn't bad, it really cuts down on gearing time
but I also think it needs a lower cap
im sure i could get close if i only wore 2 piece
master of shadows = 1 point master alchemist?
me to
TF is just annoying to have once you clear the highest tier of content
not really
youll still want to run the same boss a gazillion times
because having it at the highest difficulties base ilvl isnt good enough
flowithree is gonna be in on prog
flowithree is dead
or maybe flowisix
flowifour?
we full blown casual in BFA
๐ฎ
Flowifive, Johnny 5's cousin
why do i always kill myself when i have good r1 candidate attempts
cause you're teal and not green
^this
we got 3rd worst execution rank on argus today huehue
The blue looks better than the green tbf
you mean the teal?
no
๐ seli
its blue.
all you younglings
Is this like the dress meme all over again?
never had to play in a 12man lobby in wc3
where there were 4 different shades of blue
so you actually had to learn the difference :<
4 shades of what ?
teal
what do they teach in art-class nowadays?
"this is called red. but you can call it cherry-blue if you want, because this is a safe space"
bananas are dandelion-blue
its true tho
seems fine to me
it looks like nothing to me
Mรชmes these days are such shit they really tried to recreate the dress meme with a sound
*doesnt look like anything to me
a wild xaethron
you know nothing
you cant say the f-word here liavre
Hello
i want a good mastery statstick ๐ฆ
We are a wholesome channel Liavre
i only have 200% mastery in my aoe gear ๐ญ
afaik swearing's okay so long as you're not swearing at someone (ie "FUCK u Don")
should organize nightbane runs with people that trade me their 980 TF proc urn...

Dons are always a nice fuck
is it okay to swear at ion?
.... Daddy don
Why would you ever swear at Ion /s
Reminder, @vapid moth
Oh ok
o
I mean sin is the spot for it certainly
but I don't want to crowd out 'helpful' pins
Fair enough
lord knows it's hard enough getting ppl to read em already
Naya still pinned ๐
People read pins?
What are pins
1 liek = 1 prey 4 nayuh
Which one
can you even name more than 3 colors?
still cant believe you called the sub-color "blue" ๐
oh okay, thought this is what you wanted when you said blue
that makes more sense
i formally apologize
Nah.
unique color plz
I can understand unequiping the talent ring which causes that talent row to be unselected
After the Everyone debacle Aethys and Rare straightened out the ranks
and fixed a bunch of stuff
and giving you a colour would mean messing with ranks
why would you have gearsets without legendaries
and I'm not gonna fall on that sword for you
Wait the colors mean something now?
havent you read brave new world? the colors describe the rank that youre having
its like your uniform
i choose to stay white because it corresponds with my parses
white is the color of a 101% parse
pb%?
1 add on each tank
and i think the last one was a dps that fucked positioning at start
strong
;_;
could never parse on vari since i needed to help on adds :<
but getting a bombproc on add-spawns is pretty nice ๐
i just rupture them
Do they even live long enough to bother rupturing
i think thats the point, chance to proc bomb, and you get the energy back after they die
I would build up 5CP before they spawned and then envenom them
on the first kills it was necessary, probably not later
shadowstep, garrote, cheapshot, sprint
Pretty much garrote and maybe rupture. Everything else is just whatever
depending on what else is on your non-stealth bar you may also want to put rupture and envenom there
Distract
oh yeah, sap LUL
pickpocket
distract is something you want to use both in and out of stealth
so yeah
but as far as stealth specific stuff goes, its really only cheapshot and sap
gotta get your coins of air each week
and whatever else is on your bar
Just learning the rotation from playing sub the entire legion and it felt so empty
assa has a very simple rotation
It's simple but I like how it works
maximizing dps is mostly about maximizing buff/debuff uptimes and having good resource management
Hey, I need help from the community, posts and ideas in this topic, I don't want it to get buried! https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20764496607
whole left column of talents is supposed to be simple and passive, that is just how talents work now. From left to right you go from simple passives( like master poisoner ) to active abilities/more complex effects( like Blindside ). So your idea about Shadow Reflection being a replacement for VR would already not fit that paradigm. Also I feel like SR would better fit Sub than Assa.
you sure about that though? seems to me that something like elusiveness is more involved than i.e. cheat death
I am not sure how surv/cc rows work but you can see that all output rows follow that pattern
i mean its hard to say really, but just looking at windwalker for example, i dont feel like that correlation is on purpose
with something like energizing elixir being on the left, while passive power strikes are on the right
mmm
elixir is right
not on live
Live is DedGaem
I disagree with the lack of engaging talents
yeah but I am not talking about live
I am talking about BfA
topic person posted is about BfA talents so I commented on that
hm
didnt even know they changed up the order the talents were in
did they say somewhere that this is intended design?
person seems to just be sensationalizing
I mean there are talents in tree I would like to see redesigned like Hidden Blades
It's probably just them making things easier in a subtle way.
but I think it's just core of the spec being overly simple not talents problem
HB is kinda dull from an optimization stand-point but not too burdensome.
HB just has too narrow niche imo
might just be the opposite, the core-class being fleshed out enough that any decent talent would just mess with that
if you play in a dungeon you have a choice of using FoK with say 5 stacks or wait
It's the psuedo-AoE talent IMO.
I don't like both options
Ugh reading this post would make me hate being a game designer
I just don't like it from gameplay pov
Sure.
it's not cool to hold FoK
it's not cool to not hold because you feel like you are using it wrong
AoE, spam it. ST, hold for 10+.
CT is fine
yeah
I like it
i honestly woudlve preferred poison knives over hidden blades
PB is...
But it can't be good in both situations.
it's not going away I think
I don't like cloak tbh
PK would be neat but maybe too strong as a pure AoE choice.
it doesnt feel good to use
PK in place of PB
i mean, when its stacking
Entirely passive, so it fits, but maybe still too good?
to be fair, pk is kind of bad aswell, its just a passive damage increase on every fok
you can always tune it
PB as a usable ability would be nice
Sure.
and also allow mutilate to proc PK and this solve FoK on ST issue
I think it's totally doable
yeah
(also would make PK default ST choice but who cares)
i always wondered why that wasnt their approach to the pk-issue we had a few months back
Nah no more ST, auto-attack's are fucking strong enough.
PB is default ST now
just make pk apply on mutilate too
They don't need a boost making Haste weird.
just feels like all these aoe choices are kinda bad
or come with a whole lot of baggage
Sure.
the only AoE option I like is CT
I do think that a Passive makes sense, PBOMB is good but basically capped at 5% damage.
I think it has short enough duration to be good in a wide array of situations
i dont like CT ๐ฆ
Hidden Blades is an obvious carry-over from Legion and can be kinda awkward.
Crimson Tempest needs the on-hit removed and more damage put on the DoT.
why you are so against on hit?
then it would just be another debuff you maintain
wtf mizerok
Otherwise spamming it is too good and is fucking bad feeling due to low regen.
thats the opposite of what i want
i like that it deals damage on hit, means you can use it even though its already on the targets
that is just tuning
if it would only be damage over time, it would just be aoe rupture
poison application
Move it to the DoT, poisons are applied through FoK anyway.
so you can choose to get some more aoe instant damage and overriding the dot
i want the dot removed, and onhit dmg upped
If you are CTing, you are FoKing.
and we don't want CT to be so good it's also the ST choice.
I mean I do want that... but that's bad.
uhm
if you have CT up on mobs and sit at 5CP, you dont want to have to use envenom because "ct is already up and it doesnt deal instant damage"
that would just feel... bad
I mean you are kinda supposed to spread rupt and keep it up
and then keep CT
and env buff
its your aoe finisher, it should be your go-to choice in any aoe situation, not just some dot you keep up
Right, and if you are using NS and you Vanish + CT, gonna sit on it.
I think the DOT is your AoE Finisher, the on-hit seems too much.
yeah, but you have the choice to just go for more instant aoe damage by using CT before it runs out again
I disagree that CT should be spammed
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I mean as an option - okay maybe sometimes it would be better
but not as default choice
yeah, thats just some numbers tuning
but if mobs are at 10%
and i got 5cp
and CT is still running 8sec
I'd just envenom one of them
i want to be able to use those 5cp to do an aoe finisher that i skilled for, with some effect
i mean yeah
choice which is cool
but thats somewhat interesting and a choice you make
I don't see initial CT hit as a problem as of now and I'd just tune it to not be so potent
if it only had damage over time, you would just envenom until CT runs out/you can pandemic it
anyway
bomb is bad, i want it gone or be an on-use with a cooldown or charge-based like bladefury
and hidden blades is just... idk
not sure im such a huge fan of KB
its not a very interesting cooldown
"press this button, then make sure you keep up the buff you have during its duration"
Which is something you should already be doing.
ye
What about something like
with low resources KB - rewards planning( bleeds up, envenom buff before it, pooling ), gives more meaning to env buff
Still doesn't change gameplay atm
Nothing is about live > _>
well you don;'t have KB on beta
so it's hard to say how it changes or not changes gameplay in practice
How is keeping a buff up any different than keeping a bleed on. It's a button you press then watch the timer and press it again later to reapply
on paper I see benefit of it being in baseline kit
especially since we are finally resources locked and not GCD

Will see when Mythics are put in
i mean yeah, thats kind of the point though
not knowing whether there is more or not
so all we can say right now is "it plays like shit" and the usual reply is going to be "wait for azerite traits"
I'm just worried at our talent set up, as it's looking like a mirror of legion in terms of viability. With the release date closing in on us, and more classes being in greater need then us (specifically frost dk) I don't see us getting meaningful change.
I think if baseline spec plays like shit there is a problem already
azerite is a system on top
blizzard has backed themselves into a corner by trying to give 1 spec 2 possible ways to be played with bleed and poison
I don't think this is true tbh
For instance, in the open world with warmode on it's a lot more fun in my opinion playing with system shock, DFA, and smoke bomb (I've missed smoke bomb so much).
Neither do I.
if you can "specialize" that hard into two different directions, balancing and designing the core gameplay is a lot harder imo
basically Assa is viewed as simple spec for rogues
I find it overly simple
but devs don't
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
thats because it is
i mean, current assa is simple
having less resources to work with doesnt change any of that imo
Not done.
i mean with how theyre dumbing down everything, i fully expect a wow release on consoles with the next expac
Every class right now feels like I can hook up a controller and have buttons left over.
You can play ff14 on console. Doesnt mean it's a good idea
50 button rotation with a controller. Fun
It's all different abilities
I wanna follow the example of the guy who played overwatch on a couple bananas
Not the same 5
People would be begging for slower rotations if there was some kind of VR motion control shit lol
Lol @ outlul on VR motion control.
Talk about strength training
howd you dfa with VR?
Ideally in an open room with no fan above you
The fan increases the dps though
probably need a trampoline
True, it's DFA hard mode
Like me
Don't make fun of me or I'll ping the mods
If I get 3 relics of vendetta cdr should I use boots instead of wrists?
Simit
no balls @spare cloud

sim it
Why did you ping don
@jovial kite dont need mods for you, you sauerkraut
DAS AUTOBAHN
He's just gonna yell at us to go to offtopic
die*

Pretty sure with the nerf to those relics it wasn't worth it to got full Master Assassin? I could be remembering it wrong though.
Sim yourself
And your gear options
Using raidbots.com, it's free it's cheap and it's easy
Just like your mother
not cheap quality wise?
wouldnt "quick" make more sense though
Oh right
both in regards to simming and the mother in question?
quickys are good
Rip, she's a gray drop?
If its a quicky I can at least blame it on that if I cum instantly
l2edge
not edgy if truth
thats not what i meant
only if people impale themselves on you
so thats why flowi is so good
But it will be fine
otherwise how are you going to deal damage by being edgy?

off as in off topic?
Eyebrows on fleek.
yo - how much mastery should i have
as much as possible
Infinite would be ideal
hello guys
can someone explain me how come shoulders + bracers are simmed so low comparatively to insigna + boots
off pieces
you dont have perfect gear, a 970 shoulder is above your average item ilevel
which can make shoulder not so good for you
shoulder+bracer is NOT bis for everyone, if someone told you that, they dont know what they are talking about
@fallen sandal
I wish rogues got some utility for bfa, seems like they are really lacking in that department compared to other classes
were not lacking in utility
its just that that used to be one of our strengths and has been taken away or reduced, whereas almost every single other class/spec got more
well, I'm not really asking for much, but smoke bomb or even shiv with the dispel would be fine
theres an abundance of stuns nowadays, most of them aoe. stuns used to be rare.
ours is still singletarget and linked to using combopoints
not having poisons as combat/sub hurt utility too
we didnt even have blind as assa until a few months into legion, and only combat has gouge
they could perhaps bring back swiftblades cunning
i liked mindnumbing poison
I did too
and yes, shiv was nice too
but that was gone in wod I think
both for dispelling enrages aswell as applying a highly potent singletarget slow
and id like kidney to not require CP anymore, maybe increase the cd to make up for it
I'm just worried if rogues aren't doing high end damage, there might not be much reason to bring one, especially for M+
but its just sad that pally/dk have better singletarget stuns that dont require resources and are ranged
sure, their cd is higher too, but theres really no reason to stun as a rogue in a pve setting, even with prey on the weak
I'm worried Uldir is going to be Highmaul 2.0 for rogues especially since the last boss looks like it's gonna be a monk/DH fiesta
rogue was fine during highmaul though
not really
there was really only one content where rogue sucked ass
and that was twilight bastion/blackwing descent
but what other class has cloak and evasion and feint and cheat death
Do you not remember what paragon said about rogues when they got WF imp?
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where you basically only took subrogues for valiona/theralion, and 1-2 rogues to gouge on sinestra
Gouge Nostalgia
its not about what the top 5 guilds play on any given boss though, because they will always stack
two of those are nerfed, and blizz has been going out of their way to make certain raid mechanics un-cheesable
and there hasnt been a single content ever since BWD/BoT where even top100 guilds were benching their rogues
i mean feint hasnt really been nerfed for a raid-setting imo
there wasnt a single boss where perma-feinting was a thing, so the 15sec CD isnt that big of a deal, and reducing the mitigation from 50 to 40 sucks a little, but its still incredibly strong
perhaps not, but cloak doesn't seem as powerful to me when I ran some dungeons/raids
Imagine Imonar progress as rogue with beta feint
if cloak and feint were released in their nerfed states they'd still be amazing
is cloak getting nerfed on the beta?
2 min cd
dont think i ever feinted on imonar :x
not afaik
it's just cooldown
maybe more cd
i mean you are right that cloak doesnt remove nearly as many debuffs anymore as it used to
you actually have to think about feint now, but it's just crazy raw mitigation
but thats not necessarily a bad t hing
I think the big problem is some classes get big raid buffs and some donโt which makes no sense to me
its not if they give rogues something to make up for it, like I said it can be something small like feint
it still immunes getting a lot of them, and theres really no other class besides mage that can do the same anyway, so its still something that almost no other class can do
it also makes you immune to fucking magic damage lmao
i mean were rogues, by now were used to being blizzards punching bag
we rarely get changes that give us stuff, they usually just take stuff away
disagree ! generally speaking rogues want zo think the least amount possible ๐
yeah but bfa will just be another expansion were rogues suffer at first and then get better as things go on
how do you know that
It's just sad that blizz gave utility to some specs, some of it being unique and required, while not giving rogues a thing
wtf
i do agree however that our toolkit has become smaller and smaller, whereas most other specs usually got a few more aces up their sleeves when comparing them to their previous incarnations
they definetely need to add more complexity to sin rotation than what it is now in beta... Like itโs actually residentSleeper
every spec is getting smaller and smaller
playstyle is not my main concern here right now, it always gets better with more gear
giving us back shroud of concealment was a huge boost for m+ for example
so thats a good thing
shroud is nice
teue
it's too huge imo
yeah lol
Idk how I feel about new aoe talent not sure if blizzardo memeing or not
but yeah, as i said
some more utility would be nice, ever since we lost gouge
i would like something like the fragbelt
basically an aoe gouge
on a 45-60sec cd, similar to the guardian druid disorienting roar
that would be pretty fitting and nice
aoe pocket sand
yup

I would hope they make rogues dmg good since we donโt rly bring a raid dmg increase. We have the soaking part but yeah most other dps classes benefit the raid with buffs
make it happen
i think blizzard learned their lesson with soaking mechanics after ToS
doubt we'll see that really be played up / critical much going forward
you would assume so
Doesnt appear that way....
and then theres pre-nerf argus chains
I agree raid buffs are dumb especially when you only give hem to certain classes haha
so.... yeah no, they didnt learn a thing.
im only just tonight pulling m argus so I never experienced that
But itโs like could be feelsbadman if they tune DH and Monk dmg lower cuz they bring a buff haha
Blizzard: Every raid needs to contain these classes *gives raidbuff .... but not these , raids are fine without them
but the rest of h/m antorus didn't have nearly as much soaking as ToS
Rock Paper Scissors balance, where sometimes rock transforms into a scissor, and sometimes paper morphs into scissors ๐
I know they have scrolls for raid buffs what about the DH and Monk debuffs?
i mean yeah
@old sphinx you know theres 20 spots right?
its dumb to think that when players said "we want old abilities back" that they were talking about powerword fortitude or mark of the wild
Yo I got it, we make a 30part quest chain to unlock raid wide buffs instead of single target buff refreshes
Make it 1 part per week
be glad its not something big like the old balance faerie fire that gave 3% hit
that shit was op
or curse of elements
Lol 3 month timer quest for raid buffs
Letโs bring back farming for resist gear
yeah
hrm, i raided bc/sunwell and remember that being a thing. maybe it was as a tank?
I mean if u think currently monks have the 5% pays dmg add that to live and itโs like Monk S++ tier haha
i forget
back to maraudon to farm natureres trinkets for huhuran, HYPE
Hype
shows you how memory can get fucked from 10+ years ago
Mmm resist gear hah
nah, the 3% hit on faerie fire was a balance only thing
werd
feral had leader of the pack, 5% crit
yeah i remember that but it was just passive
Lolol forreals, server first raider here vanilla - wotlk, Omg have things changed since I quit wotlk
i somehow remember wanting to keep ff up as either tank or feral. 
It had armor reduction
Balance had the 3% hit tho Iโm pre sure
Back when we had Armor Pen
i mean
ahhhh
Ranks too
in fact we were the only class to not have any grp buffs
Yeah thatโs what I meant is I hope we are king dmg cuz that reason haha
Expose armor?
was the same as sunder armor
Would feel good
so nothing "unique" like all the other classes had
blizzard never likes it when rogues are top dps though
Also expose cost CP too haha
anyway
It's still not accurate to say we had no group buff. It was bad, but we had one.
give us aoe gouge/blind
and were gonna have utility for dungeons
our defensive toolkit for raids is still the strongest of any class out there
except maybe elemental shaman
because those bastards are getting a shitton of defensives
gonna be awkward though
when they pop earth elemental and it taunts
because they want to use their defensive
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but yeah, we're gonna be fine
new expansion, new bugs to discover
as one of the few classes that only have 3 dps specs, one of them is always going to be viable
same with mage/hunter
It's a pet taunt, isn't it? Doesn't work on bosses most of the time.
and WL obviously, but since like 90% of blizz employees play warlock, that class just gets one overhaul after another anyway
i mean as it is right now, the earth elemental only taunts when its 3+ targets i think
so on a boss it doesnt taunt, but when it spawns adds, it will
Might be a stupid question, but is there any big difference in power between bleed and poison builds around lvl 102 ?
Cause while leveling I'd go build for the faster damage, but I don't want to build (and practice) around something less powerful
bleed build is most likely unplayable at level 102
The "builds" don't really exist that low level even.
Hmm, good to know. I'm just looking for info on talent choices and rotation tbh
bleed build also is probably close to unplayable once you hit 110, you need a gear, legendaries and traits( master alchemist) and a good ilvl T20 2p is quite nice
so its not realistic to grind for it this late in the expansion
So should I just follow the basic recommandations on Icy-veins? The reason I asked for the builds is because of the link in this discord.
yes, the guide here will show you bleed build as a option, because it is
@ 110
just not the recommended one, specially in your case
does anyone have a poison bomb anouncer wa? need for m+ for the tank
Nah
Just started playing sin couple days ago, on a fight like Vari, how close are you guys usually to your sims?
Sims are very accurate but assume 8% poison bomb
gotcha, ill check what my % on pb was. got 93% of parse for it, so doing OK so far
@safe tiger check Bunny (Notter)'s WA's on the site, pretty sure he has one on his list, if not look on wago.io
ow i was looking at wago, and i found mizeroks ๐
but i removed the ending affect
just needed the announcer for the start for my m+ tank
i set it up for 5man instances only
will try to annoy others as little as i can
Yeah yelling at the tank to stop moving ๐ not annoying.
i generally suggest tanks to use this one
it doesnt have poison bomb in it, but you can easily add it
Yerp
the only problem is that bomb is a proc, not a spell cast, so you cant just duplicate any of the others and add it, you actually have to browse the combatlog for a bomb-tick happening as a trigger
Yeah but it's trivial to add PBOMB to the WA.
should be, ye
ty #1 rogue
i thought Tom was #1 ๐ญ guess he got dethroned
...
actually speaking of which, dunno if this is a problem with anyone else, but my PB WA doesnt announce the "PB" until the first tick, anyone else have this problem?



