#assassination

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prime void
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tisumi messing up, IMPOSSIBLE!

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jakey boi ?

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first time stacking

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we had people die

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so KT was off

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I think he just popped it at wrong time

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The spriest is pretty insane tho haha

strange python
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not all 100%

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what a noob

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I commend anyone who play spriest tbh

safe matrix
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your BDK is nutty though

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that healing and dps

hoary copper
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Spriest is kinda awful feeling

spare nebula
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our RL is shadow monkaS no clue how he does it

hoary copper
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Make Spriest great again

spare nebula
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i feel like encounters are totally different for spriest because if you make even small mistakes with mechanics and drop void form your damage is tanked. Add on call-outs and OOF

manic vigil
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So it's just a shit specc

spare nebula
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Just not very forgiving

hoary copper
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I hear beta isn't much better

spare nebula
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yeah our spriest is swapping to something else for bfa

round harbor
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im swapping to fotm for bfa

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fotm melee that is

spare nebula
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im sticking with rogue. we're rarely total shit

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outlaw looks hype

keen inlet
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Oh, honey...

safe matrix
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I might reroll to hunter

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mm looks fun

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or do monk

keen inlet
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BM and monk here, prolly

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although who am I kidding

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I'm an idiot, I'll level the rogue too

nimble tartan
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im leveling rogue and demon hunter ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

safe matrix
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I will probably wait for the prepatch to fully decide though

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so I can play some classes out

keen inlet
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I should ban omr

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every day, really

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but especially for playing DH

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@safe matrix for me I'm just tired of playing a pure dps class

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I want something that can tank for when I want a fast queue

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or heal.

supple hearth
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So monk

keen inlet
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anyway that's ot.

If I do play rogue I see myself playing sin most likely. outlaw's just...not fun, as-is :/

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(on beta)

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and sub. Well. How bout dat third talent

spare nebula
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rip, what changed, if anything? Or am I just reeree ?

keen inlet
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You should probably head to wowhead and read up on all the changes.

spare nebula
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it was looking like outlaw had some decent talent choices when dalaran did his preview of it

keen inlet
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The issue isn't the talents. It's that the power was ripped from the spec to make the talents

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Loaded Dice shouldn't be a talent, it should be baseline or non-existent

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etc. This is otl talk.

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Check out the changes, talk in otl if you want about it. But a lot of "us" are pretty feelsbadman about it

spare nebula
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welp maybe just rupturinos is the way to go then

nimble tartan
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jose when will u realize that demon hunter is the pinnacle of wow design

prime void
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^

keen inlet
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sigh

exotic glen
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reeeeee, not enough poison bombs ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

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only r5

nimble tartan
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dh feels good in m+ and raids single dps spec wow its truly poggers

keen inlet
nimble tartan
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fun tanking spec to switch to!!!

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wowie

hoary copper
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DH is kind of fun, I have to agree with omr

cold rampart
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!rotation

hoary copper
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eyebeammmmmz

cold rampart
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!stats

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!statpriority

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!gear

hoary copper
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!singuide

chrome tuskBOT
exotic glen
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lmfao

keen inlet
cold rampart
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ty

keen inlet
hoary copper
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There go read that

exotic glen
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yeah just spamming random commands will help

keen inlet
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right at the top

exotic glen
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100%

keen inlet
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lol

nimble tartan
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!dh

hoary copper
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Theres no real stat priority because its based on gear same as rest of the classes pretty much

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!rtb

keen inlet
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I mean

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there is tho

nimble tartan
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!rtb

keen inlet
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you never tell a sin rogue to get haste

exotic glen
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!please stop

hoary copper
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!no

nimble tartan
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stack haste when leveling kkkkkkona7

hoary copper
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and simming would still show that ๐Ÿค”

nimble tartan
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tfw i got a 985 relic and it was a 40k dps decrease....

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sin rogue traits smh...

drifting cloud
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being 985 probably helps u know

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and I guess you went from 3 MA to 2

nimble tartan
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ye p much

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id have to luck out on another big relic like 980+ to replace another relic to go down to 1 ma and itd probably sim the same as a 3ma setup

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i just slotted the 985 to my sub weapon ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

spare cloud
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!singuide

chrome tuskBOT
viscid helm
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guys im rerolling DK

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bye

plain thistle
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bye

spare cloud
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bye

safe matrix
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ur dead to me

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get it

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cause you'll be a dk

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haHAA

plain thistle
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๐Ÿคฆ

drifting cloud
nimble tartan
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i miss u already flowi

hoary copper
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Ok I was going to roll a DK, but now that flowi is....

polar grail
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hey guys, dumb question but is there anyway to put poison bomb on my bars? it seems really good

naive cypress
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For pvp, i cant seem to decide if System Shock or Creeping Venom is better

hoary copper
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On Live? Theres no PB button? On beta you drag the icon from your spell book?

naive cypress
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Do you guys have any suggestions

hoary copper
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@naive cypress #pvp would be better to ask

polar grail
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yeah on live

hoary copper
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Theres no PB button....

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no skill called poison bomb

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its a proc

polar grail
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I really like the damage, would like it to be more consistent ya know

hoary copper
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Welcome to rogue?

polar grail
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yeah but if I coudl just put it on a button that would be cool, like mabye a macro?

hoary copper
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PB procs based on finishers

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....I think I'm being trolled

drifting cloud
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๐Ÿค”

polar grail
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puts away hidden camera

hoary copper
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Tom lives?

exotic glen
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toms date killed him

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confirmed on stream

hoary copper
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the vegan?

exotic glen
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idk

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whatever date he was talking about for a week before it happened

hoary copper
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Yea vegan cross fitter

safe matrix
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the israeli girl?

hoary copper
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yea

exotic glen
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makes sense why she killed him then

drifting cloud
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vegan crossfiter yaboi

hoary copper
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I mean at least we know she didnt eat him

keen inlet
safe matrix
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they only don't eat animals

keen inlet
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Off

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Topic

hoary copper
drifting cloud
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tom is an assa rogue so its cleary not offtopic

hoary copper
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oops wrong one

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though fits

safe matrix
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yeahm we're discussing the wellbeing of our fellow assassination rogue

hoary copper
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Really it started with being trolled by questions

polar grail
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Is tom famous? can I ping him for tips?

safe matrix
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not anymore

drifting cloud
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does being a vegan crossfiter make you better at assa?

safe matrix
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FeelsBadMan

keen inlet
hoary copper
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FeelsDonMan

keen inlet
hoary copper
spare nebula
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@polar grail so did anyone answer your question about putting pb on your bars? plz share with me

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kkthx

polar grail
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apparently, and not sure I believe this, but its a proc?

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and we have no control over it

spare nebula
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

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that doesn't seem good at all!

polar grail
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I know, I see all these other rogues putting up great numbers and PB is at the top, they just laugh when I ask how they did it

spare nebula
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big meanies

polar grail
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I'll probably go back to playing paladin, they're super helpful over there

strange python
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I think someone else is trying to take your dunce cap.

spare nebula
hoary copper
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Xae in disguise

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Havent seen him in a few days speaking of

spare cloud
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He was there yesterday

polar grail
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my guild is currently progressing on normal aggramar, so we're super close to ahead of the curve

spare cloud
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No

polar grail
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or behind the edge or whateve its called

hoary copper
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Under the wheelchair I think

polar grail
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that doesn't sound right

spare cloud
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You are still bleedyboy

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that is enough to give you teh under the wheelchair achievement

polar grail
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heh, exsanguinate seems really OP

hoary copper
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Poor @jovial kite he must have it too

safe matrix
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see the problem ben

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was you went too troll

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you should've dialed it backa little

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and kept people guessing

polar grail
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I guess, subtlety is not my best spec

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I'll try again in a couple days, maybe noobe will be on

safe matrix
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ye

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maybe say heroic progression

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normal prgression is too hard to believe

polar grail
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they are out there, lurking, its not toooo far fetched

vestal wren
void pecan
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What's it like being the best player on wow?

exotic glen
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what are you doing in this channel fuu

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off to sub with you

polar grail
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fuu is ultra dedicated

marble hemlock
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fuu has been seeking refuge here for a while now i think

vestal wren
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#subtlety is ๐Ÿ’ค i thought there might be a bit more active users here

prime void
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Hi fuu โค

jovial kite
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@hoary copper have what

safe matrix
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I always come here to stir shit up when don isnt looking

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cause sub is rip

vestal wren
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@void pecan good question, i would be curios too

spare cloud
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@jovial kite Sauerkraut

hoary copper
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^

vestal wren
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i am here ๐Ÿ‘€ , so dont stir shit!

exotic glen
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idk how but otl is suddenly really popular channel

hoary copper
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Idk what to Finish people have? Herring?

exotic glen
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start of antorus no one was writing anything there for weeks

polar grail
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pirates are super social

spare cloud
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cold weather

exotic glen
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stop teasing toph

vestal wren
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outlaw is not terrible on beta

spare cloud
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stop teasing me to stop teasing

vestal wren
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esp. cause you can just go snd

hoary copper
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Its not that hot there Argonic, quit your whining.

exotic glen
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its hot for me

spare cloud
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Wait argonic are you finnish too?

hoary copper
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Denmark?

exotic glen
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pain is relative and im a weakling

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we're neighbors toph

spare cloud
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Denmark gets mocked by everyone

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northern countries mock denmark

hoary copper
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Whys that?

spare cloud
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southern mock denmark

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I don't know

manic vigil
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....

exotic glen
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because its fun

spare cloud
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in germany its because they dont seem to "belong" to the northern countries

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so they're kinda stuck in between

manic vigil
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never heard of that before peeposhrug

vestal wren
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i am kinda dissapointed, i expected less #off-topic

spare cloud
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You don't talk to people

manic vigil
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oh and you do? lul

hoary copper
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You must be new here Fuu

spare cloud
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Fuu thats because you are in the wrong channel

polar grail
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what is left to theorycraft here?!?!

manic vigil
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Don made us talk in here because he's spamming emotes in offtopic fuu

polar grail
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we should be meming

manic vigil
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not our fault peeposhrug

spare cloud
hoary copper
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least its not politics or kpop (sorry Toph)

spare cloud
manic vigil
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yeah let's get perelman and aelandria (?)

vestal wren
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you can grap the beta build of simc (compile yourself) and start optimizing the apl!

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there is plenty to do

spare cloud
hoary copper
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Lol yay?

spare cloud
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and thats how you kill the conversation

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everyone instantly disappears

hoary copper
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dedchannel

viscid helm
marble hemlock
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thanks toph

vestal wren
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flowi without role?

marble hemlock
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think the yellow was a meme until he started considering to be a mousewheel-only rogue

vestal wren
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i can add you outlaw if you want @viscid helm

viscid helm
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no i like white people

exotic glen
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racist

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fuu can i have the blue color, its the only one i like

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@vestal wren

vestal wren
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sure

marble hemlock
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thats not blue

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its teal

exotic glen
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sweet

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ty fuu

vestal wren
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well, i cant hand out the other blue

marble hemlock
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you mean lavender?

manic vigil
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seli a girl confirmed

marble hemlock
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dude i wish

vestal wren
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this blue

marble hemlock
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oh yeah

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thats actually blue

vestal wren
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you remind me of this picture

viscid helm
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ye

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im special

safe matrix
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being white doesn't make you special

marble hemlock
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i mean

hoary copper
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Except in the US

marble hemlock
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knowing colors by name

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doesnt make me a girl

polar grail
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someone posted Kpop up there and I had to leave for a while

safe matrix
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i mean

strange python
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the first stage is denial

safe matrix
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who the fuck

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callsit lavender

marble hemlock
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me

hoary copper
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I do

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Wait...

marble hemlock
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because its not purple

hoary copper
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thats not helping

marble hemlock
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so it must be something else

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it used to be purple

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but then they changed it

hoary copper
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Welcome to the team Seli ๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ

marble hemlock
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dont blame me

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blame them

safe matrix
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I'll blame both angery

marble hemlock
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and since it used to be purple in my mind

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and they changed it

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it cant be purple anymore

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:<

vestal wren
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i am confused, am i more tangerine or cantaloupe?

manic vigil
exotic glen
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didnt see my new color before now and realised its the sub color

strange python
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definitely tangerine

pseudo mural
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is the trinket Frogefiends fabricator is better than shadow singed fang?

strange python
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no

manic vigil
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fuu making up words again smh

exotic glen
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can i get my own color fuu

marble hemlock
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youre orange fuu

strange python
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i like the color of the theorycrafters

marble hemlock
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unless they change the shade of orange slightly

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because two different colors cant be the same color

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so id have to look up what exact color you are

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until then, youre orange

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dons-beard-orange

hoary copper
marble hemlock
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^

exotic glen
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finally got my chest upgraded

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after weeeeeeeeeeeeks

marble hemlock
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nice

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what did you get?

exotic glen
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97

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970

marble hemlock
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cba raiding right now but i kinda want to get better tier-pieces :<

exotic glen
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been running with 960 for 100 years

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and coining eonar every week

marble hemlock
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yeah, ive seen people who dont even raid mythic with better tier-pieces than mythic raiders

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well, time to coin for 975+ ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

drifting cloud
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this is someones alt

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I dunno how legos/tier are for holy but that gear is legit laughable

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and he had all that alot of resets ago already

safe matrix
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I think titanforging isn't bad, it really cuts down on gearing time

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but I also think it needs a lower cap

strange python
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im sure i could get close if i only wore 2 piece

rose sapphire
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master of shadows = 1 point master alchemist?

drifting cloud
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im 979 in bags

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been 11/11 for almost 3months

viscid helm
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me to

marble hemlock
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TF is just annoying to have once you clear the highest tier of content

viscid helm
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it's fine

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forced PL

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will fix

marble hemlock
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not really

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youll still want to run the same boss a gazillion times

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because having it at the highest difficulties base ilvl isnt good enough

drifting cloud
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flowithree is gonna be in on prog

viscid helm
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flowithree is dead

drifting cloud
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or maybe flowisix

safe matrix
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flowifour?

viscid helm
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we full blown casual in BFA

drifting cloud
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๐Ÿ˜ฎ

hoary copper
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Flowifive, Johnny 5's cousin

exotic glen
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why do i always kill myself when i have good r1 candidate attempts

prime void
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because youre trying to r1

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its just how it works

hoary copper
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cause you're teal and not green

marble hemlock
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^this

exotic glen
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we got 3rd worst execution rank on argus today huehue

prime void
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The blue looks better than the green tbf

marble hemlock
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you mean the teal?

prime void
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no

exotic glen
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๐Ÿ˜ƒ seli

marble hemlock
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i mean

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its not goddamn blue

exotic glen
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its like

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light blue

prime void
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its blue.

marble hemlock
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all you younglings

hoary copper
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Is this like the dress meme all over again?

marble hemlock
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never had to play in a 12man lobby in wc3

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where there were 4 different shades of blue

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so you actually had to learn the difference :<

prime void
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4 shades of what ?

exotic glen
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teal

marble hemlock
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what do they teach in art-class nowadays?

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"this is called red. but you can call it cherry-blue if you want, because this is a safe space"

exotic glen
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bananas are dandelion-blue

marble hemlock
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vermillion-green

keen inlet
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off

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topic

prime void
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Don

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Sin=green

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on topic

keen inlet
exotic glen
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its true tho

prime void
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seems fine to me

safe matrix
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it looks like nothing to me

vapid moth
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Mรชmes these days are such shit they really tried to recreate the dress meme with a sound

marble hemlock
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*doesnt look like anything to me

safe matrix
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FUCK

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ME

strange python
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a wild xaethron

marble hemlock
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you know nothing

exotic glen
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you cant say the f-word here liavre

vapid moth
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Hello

safe matrix
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I just finally caught up on westworld though

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good show

marble hemlock
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i want a good mastery statstick ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

hoary copper
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We are a wholesome channel Liavre

prime void
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How

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is moonguard Xaethron?

vapid moth
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300% mastery 45% crit

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What

marble hemlock
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i only have 200% mastery in my aoe gear ๐Ÿ˜ญ

keen inlet
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afaik swearing's okay so long as you're not swearing at someone (ie "FUCK u Don")

marble hemlock
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should organize nightbane runs with people that trade me their 980 TF proc urn...

keen inlet
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also

safe matrix
vapid moth
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Dons are always a nice fuck

marble hemlock
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is it okay to swear at ion?

vapid moth
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.... Daddy don

keen inlet
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Why would you ever swear at Ion /s

safe matrix
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yeah

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you should only ever swear by ion

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never at him

warm parcel
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Can we pin that @keen inlet

vapid moth
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I had 6 bags of doritos

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Life is good

keen inlet
vapid moth
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Oh ok

keen inlet
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"just don't

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"

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@warm parcel pin what?

keen inlet
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o

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I mean sin is the spot for it certainly

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but I don't want to crowd out 'helpful' pins

warm parcel
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Fair enough

keen inlet
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lord knows it's hard enough getting ppl to read em already

warm parcel
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Naya still pinned ๐Ÿ™

hoary copper
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People read pins?

vapid moth
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What are pins

hoary copper
keen inlet
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1 liek = 1 prey 4 nayuh

marble hemlock
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what would a dislike be then?

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not that anyone would dislike that pin

safe matrix
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don you removed the jojo reference from the outlaw pins

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._.

keen inlet
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Which one

safe matrix
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the "when a sub rogue sees you walking up"

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and menacing

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i liked it ._.

keen inlet
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I saved it. I save the best stuff.

exotic glen
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don

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am i allowed to have my own name color

marble hemlock
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can you even name more than 3 colors?

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still cant believe you called the sub-color "blue" ๐Ÿ˜„

exotic glen
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i didnt

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i asked for the actual blue color

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i was given the lightblue sub color

marble hemlock
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oh okay, thought this is what you wanted when you said blue

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that makes more sense

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i formally apologize

exotic glen
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also our rdruid just forgot to equip any legendaries at all

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what a good attempt

keen inlet
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Nah.

exotic glen
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unique color plz

strange python
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I can understand unequiping the talent ring which causes that talent row to be unselected

keen inlet
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After the Everyone debacle Aethys and Rare straightened out the ranks

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and fixed a bunch of stuff

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and giving you a colour would mean messing with ranks

marble hemlock
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why would you have gearsets without legendaries

keen inlet
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and I'm not gonna fall on that sword for you

exotic glen
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rip

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@marble hemlock he said he just clicks on / off his legendaries from bags

marble hemlock
hoary copper
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Wait the colors mean something now?

marble hemlock
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havent you read brave new world? the colors describe the rank that youre having

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its like your uniform

hoary copper
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whites at the bottom?

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theresajoketheresomewherebutImnotgoingtogothere

marble hemlock
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not sure if your bottoms are white

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usually the drab colors indicate a lower rank

keen inlet
marble hemlock
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i choose to stay white because it corresponds with my parses

strange python
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white is the color of a 101% parse

exotic glen
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reeeeeeeeeeee

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i had the most insane vari attempt just now

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and we wiped

marble hemlock
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pb%?

exotic glen
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our tank spawned 3 mobs behind the boss on a pb

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14%

marble hemlock
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how can that even happen?

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isnt there like an internal cooldown on spawning adds?

exotic glen
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1 add on each tank

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and i think the last one was a dps that fucked positioning at start

marble hemlock
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strong

exotic glen
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;_;

marble hemlock
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could never parse on vari since i needed to help on adds :<

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but getting a bombproc on add-spawns is pretty nice ๐Ÿ˜„

exotic glen
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i just rupture them

safe matrix
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Do they even live long enough to bother rupturing

marble hemlock
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i think thats the point, chance to proc bomb, and you get the energy back after they die

exotic glen
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more muts too

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its not a zero sum game

normal plover
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I would build up 5CP before they spawned and then envenom them

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on the first kills it was necessary, probably not later

signal flame
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what the hell do I put on my stealth bar in this specc?

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wtf

marble hemlock
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shadowstep, garrote, cheapshot, sprint

signal flame
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lmao

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ok looked so empty

hoary copper
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Pretty much garrote and maybe rupture. Everything else is just whatever

marble hemlock
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depending on what else is on your non-stealth bar you may also want to put rupture and envenom there

exotic glen
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garrote, mutilate, cheap shot, sap, vanish, aoe stealth cloak, fan of knives

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for me

hoary copper
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Distract

marble hemlock
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oh yeah, sap LUL

hoary copper
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pickpocket

marble hemlock
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distract is something you want to use both in and out of stealth

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so yeah

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but as far as stealth specific stuff goes, its really only cheapshot and sap

hoary copper
#

gotta get your coins of air each week

marble hemlock
#

and whatever else is on your bar

signal flame
#

Just learning the rotation from playing sub the entire legion and it felt so empty

marble hemlock
#

assa has a very simple rotation

fleet whale
#

It's simple but I like how it works

marble hemlock
#

maximizing dps is mostly about maximizing buff/debuff uptimes and having good resource management

light kestrel
stark heart
#

whole left column of talents is supposed to be simple and passive, that is just how talents work now. From left to right you go from simple passives( like master poisoner ) to active abilities/more complex effects( like Blindside ). So your idea about Shadow Reflection being a replacement for VR would already not fit that paradigm. Also I feel like SR would better fit Sub than Assa.

marble hemlock
#

you sure about that though? seems to me that something like elusiveness is more involved than i.e. cheat death

stark heart
#

I am not sure how surv/cc rows work but you can see that all output rows follow that pattern

marble hemlock
#

i mean its hard to say really, but just looking at windwalker for example, i dont feel like that correlation is on purpose

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with something like energizing elixir being on the left, while passive power strikes are on the right

civic palm
#

mmm

stark heart
#

elixir is right

marble hemlock
#

not on live

civic palm
#

Live is DedGaem

strange python
#

I disagree with the lack of engaging talents

stark heart
#

yeah but I am not talking about live

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I am talking about BfA

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topic person posted is about BfA talents so I commented on that

marble hemlock
#

hm

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didnt even know they changed up the order the talents were in

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did they say somewhere that this is intended design?

strange python
#

person seems to just be sensationalizing

stark heart
#

I mean there are talents in tree I would like to see redesigned like Hidden Blades

civic palm
#

It's probably just them making things easier in a subtle way.

stark heart
#

but I think it's just core of the spec being overly simple not talents problem

civic palm
#

HB is kinda dull from an optimization stand-point but not too burdensome.

stark heart
#

HB just has too narrow niche imo

marble hemlock
#

might just be the opposite, the core-class being fleshed out enough that any decent talent would just mess with that

stark heart
#

if you play in a dungeon you have a choice of using FoK with say 5 stacks or wait

civic palm
#

It's the psuedo-AoE talent IMO.

stark heart
#

I don't like both options

strange python
#

Ugh reading this post would make me hate being a game designer

stark heart
#

I just don't like it from gameplay pov

civic palm
#

Sure.

stark heart
#

it's not cool to hold FoK

civic palm
#

CT though O _O

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Like I said, psuedo-AoE choice;

stark heart
#

it's not cool to not hold because you feel like you are using it wrong

civic palm
#

AoE, spam it. ST, hold for 10+.

stark heart
#

CT is fine

marble hemlock
#

yeah

stark heart
#

I like it

marble hemlock
#

i honestly woudlve preferred poison knives over hidden blades

stark heart
#

PB is...

civic palm
#

But it can't be good in both situations.

stark heart
#

it's not going away I think

safe matrix
#

I don't like cloak tbh

civic palm
#

PK would be neat but maybe too strong as a pure AoE choice.

safe matrix
#

it doesnt feel good to use

stark heart
#

PK in place of PB

safe matrix
#

i mean, when its stacking

stark heart
#

would be good

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it's probably too late for that

civic palm
#

Entirely passive, so it fits, but maybe still too good?

marble hemlock
#

to be fair, pk is kind of bad aswell, its just a passive damage increase on every fok

stark heart
#

you can always tune it

marble hemlock
#

PB as a usable ability would be nice

civic palm
#

Sure.

stark heart
#

and also allow mutilate to proc PK and this solve FoK on ST issue

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I think it's totally doable

marble hemlock
#

yeah

stark heart
#

(also would make PK default ST choice but who cares)

marble hemlock
#

i always wondered why that wasnt their approach to the pk-issue we had a few months back

civic palm
#

Nah no more ST, auto-attack's are fucking strong enough.

stark heart
#

PB is default ST now

marble hemlock
#

just make pk apply on mutilate too

civic palm
#

They don't need a boost making Haste weird.

marble hemlock
#

just feels like all these aoe choices are kinda bad

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or come with a whole lot of baggage

civic palm
#

Sure.

stark heart
#

the only AoE option I like is CT

civic palm
#

I do think that a Passive makes sense, PBOMB is good but basically capped at 5% damage.

stark heart
#

I think it has short enough duration to be good in a wide array of situations

exotic glen
#

i dont like CT ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

civic palm
#

Hidden Blades is an obvious carry-over from Legion and can be kinda awkward.

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Crimson Tempest needs the on-hit removed and more damage put on the DoT.

stark heart
#

why you are so against on hit?

marble hemlock
#

then it would just be another debuff you maintain

exotic glen
#

wtf mizerok

civic palm
#

Otherwise spamming it is too good and is fucking bad feeling due to low regen.

exotic glen
#

thats the opposite of what i want

marble hemlock
#

i like that it deals damage on hit, means you can use it even though its already on the targets

stark heart
#

that is just tuning

marble hemlock
#

if it would only be damage over time, it would just be aoe rupture

civic palm
#

The thing is.

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If you make the on-hit damage reduced, why even have damage there?

stark heart
#

poison application

civic palm
#

Move it to the DoT, poisons are applied through FoK anyway.

marble hemlock
#

so you can choose to get some more aoe instant damage and overriding the dot

exotic glen
#

i want the dot removed, and onhit dmg upped

civic palm
#

If you are CTing, you are FoKing.

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and we don't want CT to be so good it's also the ST choice.

#

I mean I do want that... but that's bad.

stark heart
#

uhm

marble hemlock
#

if you have CT up on mobs and sit at 5CP, you dont want to have to use envenom because "ct is already up and it doesnt deal instant damage"

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that would just feel... bad

stark heart
#

I mean you are kinda supposed to spread rupt and keep it up

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and then keep CT

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and env buff

marble hemlock
#

its your aoe finisher, it should be your go-to choice in any aoe situation, not just some dot you keep up

civic palm
#

Right, and if you are using NS and you Vanish + CT, gonna sit on it.

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I think the DOT is your AoE Finisher, the on-hit seems too much.

marble hemlock
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yeah, but you have the choice to just go for more instant aoe damage by using CT before it runs out again

stark heart
#

I disagree that CT should be spammed

civic palm
#

๐Ÿ‘ PIZZA ๐Ÿ‘ TIME ๐Ÿ‘

stark heart
#

I mean as an option - okay maybe sometimes it would be better

#

but not as default choice

marble hemlock
#

yeah, thats just some numbers tuning

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but if mobs are at 10%

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and i got 5cp

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and CT is still running 8sec

stark heart
#

I'd just envenom one of them

marble hemlock
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i want to be able to use those 5cp to do an aoe finisher that i skilled for, with some effect

stark heart
#

probably

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depends on target count

marble hemlock
#

i mean yeah

stark heart
#

choice which is cool

marble hemlock
#

but thats somewhat interesting and a choice you make

stark heart
#

I don't see initial CT hit as a problem as of now and I'd just tune it to not be so potent

marble hemlock
#

if it only had damage over time, you would just envenom until CT runs out/you can pandemic it

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anyway

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bomb is bad, i want it gone or be an on-use with a cooldown or charge-based like bladefury

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and hidden blades is just... idk

stark heart
#

PB -> PK, HB -> something else, KB -> baseline

#

now that would be spec I'd consider

marble hemlock
#

not sure im such a huge fan of KB

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its not a very interesting cooldown

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"press this button, then make sure you keep up the buff you have during its duration"

civic palm
#

Which is something you should already be doing.

marble hemlock
#

ye

safe matrix
#

What about something like

stark heart
#

with low resources KB - rewards planning( bleeds up, envenom buff before it, pooling ), gives more meaning to env buff

civic palm
#

Still doesn't change gameplay atm

stark heart
#

on live?

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well you have shitload of energy

civic palm
#

Nothing is about live > _>

stark heart
#

well you don;'t have KB on beta

#

so it's hard to say how it changes or not changes gameplay in practice

lean hill
#

How is keeping a buff up any different than keeping a bleed on. It's a button you press then watch the timer and press it again later to reapply

stark heart
#

on paper I see benefit of it being in baseline kit

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especially since we are finally resources locked and not GCD

marble hemlock
#

hard to say at this point really

#

who knows what kind of azerite traits await us

stark heart
civic palm
#

Will see when Mythics are put in

stark heart
#

haven;t you seen datamining?

#

nothing cool is there so far

marble hemlock
#

i mean yeah, thats kind of the point though

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not knowing whether there is more or not

stark heart
#

the only interesting effect I found was lego outlaw bracers

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kinda

marble hemlock
#

so all we can say right now is "it plays like shit" and the usual reply is going to be "wait for azerite traits"

light kestrel
#

I'm just worried at our talent set up, as it's looking like a mirror of legion in terms of viability. With the release date closing in on us, and more classes being in greater need then us (specifically frost dk) I don't see us getting meaningful change.

stark heart
#

I think if baseline spec plays like shit there is a problem already

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azerite is a system on top

marble hemlock
#

blizzard has backed themselves into a corner by trying to give 1 spec 2 possible ways to be played with bleed and poison

stark heart
#

I don't think this is true tbh

light kestrel
#

For instance, in the open world with warmode on it's a lot more fun in my opinion playing with system shock, DFA, and smoke bomb (I've missed smoke bomb so much).

civic palm
#

Neither do I.

marble hemlock
#

if you can "specialize" that hard into two different directions, balancing and designing the core gameplay is a lot harder imo

stark heart
#

basically Assa is viewed as simple spec for rogues

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I find it overly simple

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but devs don't

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ยฏ_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ

marble hemlock
#

thats because it is

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i mean, current assa is simple

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having less resources to work with doesnt change any of that imo

safe matrix
#

And sub is

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YIKES

civic palm
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Not done.

marble hemlock
#

i mean with how theyre dumbing down everything, i fully expect a wow release on consoles with the next expac

light kestrel
#

Every class right now feels like I can hook up a controller and have buttons left over.

lean hill
#

You can play ff14 on console. Doesnt mean it's a good idea

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50 button rotation with a controller. Fun

#

It's all different abilities

safe matrix
#

I wanna follow the example of the guy who played overwatch on a couple bananas

lean hill
#

Not the same 5

safe matrix
#

I wanna play sin with two knifey bois

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And motion control

#

๐Ÿ—ก

lean hill
#

People would be begging for slower rotations if there was some kind of VR motion control shit lol

safe matrix
#

I mean you have one second to do things cause gcd

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That's plenty of time

light kestrel
#

Lol @ outlul on VR motion control.

lean hill
#

A 10 min fight as outlaw? Youd die

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During progression

light kestrel
#

Talk about strength training

marble hemlock
#

howd you dfa with VR?

light kestrel
#

Ideally in an open room with no fan above you

safe matrix
#

The fan increases the dps though

marble hemlock
#

probably need a trampoline

light kestrel
#

True, it's DFA hard mode

spare cloud
#

Like me

light kestrel
#

Would solve a lot of problems though

#

or subs might plummet

spare cloud
#

Don't make fun of me or I'll ping the mods

signal flame
#

If I get 3 relics of vendetta cdr should I use boots instead of wrists?

safe matrix
#

Simit

jovial kite
#

no balls @spare cloud

safe matrix
light kestrel
#

sim it

safe matrix
#

Why did you ping don

spare cloud
#

@jovial kite dont need mods for you, you sauerkraut

jovial kite
#

DAS AUTOBAHN

safe matrix
#

He's just gonna yell at us to go to offtopic

spare cloud
#

die*

safe matrix
spare cloud
light kestrel
#

Pretty sure with the nerf to those relics it wasn't worth it to got full Master Assassin? I could be remembering it wrong though.

spare cloud
#

tipping his fedora

safe matrix
#

Sim yourself

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And your gear options

#

Just like your mother

marble hemlock
#

how can it be free and cheap

#

either its free, or its cheap?

safe matrix
#

Free money wise

#

And cheap as a time investment

light kestrel
#

not cheap quality wise?

marble hemlock
#

wouldnt "quick" make more sense though

safe matrix
#

Oh right

marble hemlock
#

both in regards to simming and the mother in question?

safe matrix
#

Cheap as in quality

#

That works too

spare cloud
#

quickys are good

light kestrel
#

Rip, she's a gray drop?

spare cloud
#

If its a quicky I can at least blame it on that if I cum instantly

marble hemlock
#

l2edge

spare cloud
#

not edgy if truth

marble hemlock
#

thats not what i meant

safe matrix
#

The edgier you are, the more damage you do

#

FACT

spare cloud
#

I'm doing monkey madness tomorrow

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I'm gonna die

marble hemlock
#

only if people impale themselves on you

exotic glen
#

so thats why flowi is so good

spare cloud
#

But it will be fine

marble hemlock
#

otherwise how are you going to deal damage by being edgy?

safe matrix
#

By making people cringe so hard

#

That they OFF themselves due to second hand cringe

spare cloud
marble hemlock
#

off as in off topic?

spare cloud
light kestrel
#

Eyebrows on fleek.

meager plover
#

yo - how much mastery should i have

exotic glen
#

as much as possible

safe matrix
#

Infinite would be ideal

fallen sandal
#

hello guys

#

can someone explain me how come shoulders + bracers are simmed so low comparatively to insigna + boots

plain thistle
#

off pieces

#

you dont have perfect gear, a 970 shoulder is above your average item ilevel

#

which can make shoulder not so good for you

#

shoulder+bracer is NOT bis for everyone, if someone told you that, they dont know what they are talking about

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@fallen sandal

fallen sandal
#

alright thanks

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and yeah my off pieces arent so good

fleet whale
#

I wish rogues got some utility for bfa, seems like they are really lacking in that department compared to other classes

marble hemlock
#

were not lacking in utility

#

its just that that used to be one of our strengths and has been taken away or reduced, whereas almost every single other class/spec got more

fleet whale
#

well, I'm not really asking for much, but smoke bomb or even shiv with the dispel would be fine

marble hemlock
#

theres an abundance of stuns nowadays, most of them aoe. stuns used to be rare.

#

ours is still singletarget and linked to using combopoints

#

not having poisons as combat/sub hurt utility too

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we didnt even have blind as assa until a few months into legion, and only combat has gouge

fleet whale
#

they could perhaps bring back swiftblades cunning

marble hemlock
#

i liked mindnumbing poison

fleet whale
#

I did too

marble hemlock
#

and yes, shiv was nice too

fleet whale
#

but that was gone in wod I think

marble hemlock
#

both for dispelling enrages aswell as applying a highly potent singletarget slow

#

and id like kidney to not require CP anymore, maybe increase the cd to make up for it

fleet whale
#

I'm just worried if rogues aren't doing high end damage, there might not be much reason to bring one, especially for M+

marble hemlock
#

but its just sad that pally/dk have better singletarget stuns that dont require resources and are ranged

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sure, their cd is higher too, but theres really no reason to stun as a rogue in a pve setting, even with prey on the weak

fleet whale
#

I'm worried Uldir is going to be Highmaul 2.0 for rogues especially since the last boss looks like it's gonna be a monk/DH fiesta

marble hemlock
#

rogue was fine during highmaul though

fleet whale
#

not really

marble hemlock
#

there was really only one content where rogue sucked ass

#

and that was twilight bastion/blackwing descent

strange python
#

but what other class has cloak and evasion and feint and cheat death

fleet whale
#

Do you not remember what paragon said about rogues when they got WF imp?

strange python
#

๐Ÿค”

marble hemlock
#

where you basically only took subrogues for valiona/theralion, and 1-2 rogues to gouge on sinestra

old sphinx
#

Gouge Nostalgia

marble hemlock
#

its not about what the top 5 guilds play on any given boss though, because they will always stack

fleet whale
#

two of those are nerfed, and blizz has been going out of their way to make certain raid mechanics un-cheesable

marble hemlock
#

and there hasnt been a single content ever since BWD/BoT where even top100 guilds were benching their rogues

#

i mean feint hasnt really been nerfed for a raid-setting imo

#

there wasnt a single boss where perma-feinting was a thing, so the 15sec CD isnt that big of a deal, and reducing the mitigation from 50 to 40 sucks a little, but its still incredibly strong

fleet whale
#

perhaps not, but cloak doesn't seem as powerful to me when I ran some dungeons/raids

old sphinx
#

Imagine Imonar progress as rogue with beta feint

strange python
#

if cloak and feint were released in their nerfed states they'd still be amazing

safe matrix
#

is cloak getting nerfed on the beta?

fleet whale
#

2 min cd

marble hemlock
#

dont think i ever feinted on imonar :x

old sphinx
#

not afaik

strange python
#

it's just cooldown

old sphinx
#

maybe more cd

safe matrix
#

aight, thats fine

#

I was worried it would be a mechanical change

marble hemlock
#

i mean you are right that cloak doesnt remove nearly as many debuffs anymore as it used to

strange python
#

you actually have to think about feint now, but it's just crazy raw mitigation

marble hemlock
#

but thats not necessarily a bad t hing

pure bridge
#

I think the big problem is some classes get big raid buffs and some donโ€™t which makes no sense to me

fleet whale
#

its not if they give rogues something to make up for it, like I said it can be something small like feint

marble hemlock
#

it still immunes getting a lot of them, and theres really no other class besides mage that can do the same anyway, so its still something that almost no other class can do

strange python
#

it also makes you immune to fucking magic damage lmao

marble hemlock
#

i mean were rogues, by now were used to being blizzards punching bag

#

we rarely get changes that give us stuff, they usually just take stuff away

old sphinx
#

disagree ! generally speaking rogues want zo think the least amount possible ๐ŸŒš

fleet whale
#

yeah but bfa will just be another expansion were rogues suffer at first and then get better as things go on

marble hemlock
#

hard to say

#

how the scaling is gonna be

strange python
#

how do you know that

fleet whale
#

It's just sad that blizz gave utility to some specs, some of it being unique and required, while not giving rogues a thing

strange python
#

wtf

marble hemlock
#

i do agree however that our toolkit has become smaller and smaller, whereas most other specs usually got a few more aces up their sleeves when comparing them to their previous incarnations

old sphinx
#

they definetely need to add more complexity to sin rotation than what it is now in beta... Like itโ€˜s actually residentSleeper

strange python
#

every spec is getting smaller and smaller

fleet whale
#

playstyle is not my main concern here right now, it always gets better with more gear

marble hemlock
#

giving us back shroud of concealment was a huge boost for m+ for example

#

so thats a good thing

fleet whale
#

shroud is nice

old sphinx
#

teue

marble hemlock
#

and the buff to its aoe in beta

#

is huge

strange python
#

it's too huge imo

marble hemlock
#

yeah lol

old sphinx
#

Idk how I feel about new aoe talent not sure if blizzardo memeing or not

marble hemlock
#

but yeah, as i said

#

some more utility would be nice, ever since we lost gouge

#

i would like something like the fragbelt

#

basically an aoe gouge

#

on a 45-60sec cd, similar to the guardian druid disorienting roar

#

that would be pretty fitting and nice

spare nebula
#

aoe pocket sand

marble hemlock
#

yup

spare nebula
pure bridge
#

I would hope they make rogues dmg good since we donโ€™t rly bring a raid dmg increase. We have the soaking part but yeah most other dps classes benefit the raid with buffs

old sphinx
#

make it happen

marble hemlock
#

raidbuffs are overrated

#

its just a checkbox you have when making your raid

spare nebula
#

i think blizzard learned their lesson with soaking mechanics after ToS

#

doubt we'll see that really be played up / critical much going forward

marble hemlock
#

you would assume so

old sphinx
#

Doesnt appear that way....

marble hemlock
#

and then theres pre-nerf argus chains

pure bridge
#

I agree raid buffs are dumb especially when you only give hem to certain classes haha

marble hemlock
#

so.... yeah no, they didnt learn a thing.

spare nebula
#

im only just tonight pulling m argus so I never experienced that

pure bridge
#

But itโ€™s like could be feelsbadman if they tune DH and Monk dmg lower cuz they bring a buff haha

old sphinx
#

Blizzard: Every raid needs to contain these classes *gives raidbuff .... but not these , raids are fine without them

spare nebula
#

but the rest of h/m antorus didn't have nearly as much soaking as ToS

wooden grotto
#

Rock Paper Scissors balance, where sometimes rock transforms into a scissor, and sometimes paper morphs into scissors ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

pure bridge
#

I know they have scrolls for raid buffs what about the DH and Monk debuffs?

marble hemlock
#

i mean yeah

warm beacon
#

@old sphinx you know theres 20 spots right?

marble hemlock
#

its dumb to think that when players said "we want old abilities back" that they were talking about powerword fortitude or mark of the wild

pure bridge
#

I mainly mean for M+ haha

#

Can make up for the missing dmg

wooden grotto
#

Yo I got it, we make a 30part quest chain to unlock raid wide buffs instead of single target buff refreshes

pure bridge
#

Make it 1 part per week

marble hemlock
#

be glad its not something big like the old balance faerie fire that gave 3% hit

#

that shit was op

#

or curse of elements

wooden grotto
#

Lol 3 month timer quest for raid buffs

spare nebula
#

it wasnt just balance

#

feral used to have that too

marble hemlock
#

nah

#

was a 23point balance talent

#

ferals didnt get that

wooden grotto
#

Letโ€™s bring back farming for resist gear

marble hemlock
#

yeah

spare nebula
#

hrm, i raided bc/sunwell and remember that being a thing. maybe it was as a tank?

pure bridge
#

I mean if u think currently monks have the 5% pays dmg add that to live and itโ€™s like Monk S++ tier haha

spare nebula
#

i forget

marble hemlock
#

back to maraudon to farm natureres trinkets for huhuran, HYPE

wooden grotto
#

Hype

spare nebula
#

shows you how memory can get fucked from 10+ years ago

pure bridge
#

Mmm resist gear hah

marble hemlock
#

nah, the 3% hit on faerie fire was a balance only thing

spare nebula
#

werd

marble hemlock
#

feral had leader of the pack, 5% crit

spare nebula
#

yeah i remember that but it was just passive

wooden grotto
#

Lolol forreals, server first raider here vanilla - wotlk, Omg have things changed since I quit wotlk

spare nebula
#

i somehow remember wanting to keep ff up as either tank or feral. PETATHINK

pure bridge
#

It had armor reduction

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Balance had the 3% hit tho Iโ€™m pre sure

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Back when we had Armor Pen

marble hemlock
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i mean

spare nebula
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ahhhh

marble hemlock
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rogue didnt actually

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have a grp buff back then

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we were pure DPS

spare nebula
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yeah it was the armor reduction

pure bridge
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Ranks too

marble hemlock
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in fact we were the only class to not have any grp buffs

pure bridge
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Yeah thatโ€™s what I meant is I hope we are king dmg cuz that reason haha

onyx sigil
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Expose armor?

marble hemlock
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was the same as sunder armor

pure bridge
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Would feel good

marble hemlock
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so nothing "unique" like all the other classes had

safe matrix
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blizzard never likes it when rogues are top dps though

pure bridge
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Also expose cost CP too haha

marble hemlock
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anyway

onyx sigil
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It's still not accurate to say we had no group buff. It was bad, but we had one.

marble hemlock
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give us aoe gouge/blind

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and were gonna have utility for dungeons

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our defensive toolkit for raids is still the strongest of any class out there

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except maybe elemental shaman

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because those bastards are getting a shitton of defensives

spare nebula
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they kinda earned it

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haha

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"personals guys!" shamans: spinlul

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you mean ankh?

marble hemlock
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gonna be awkward though

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when they pop earth elemental and it taunts

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because they want to use their defensive

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

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but yeah, we're gonna be fine

warm beacon
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new expansion, new bugs to discover

marble hemlock
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as one of the few classes that only have 3 dps specs, one of them is always going to be viable

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same with mage/hunter

onyx sigil
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It's a pet taunt, isn't it? Doesn't work on bosses most of the time.

marble hemlock
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and WL obviously, but since like 90% of blizz employees play warlock, that class just gets one overhaul after another anyway

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i mean as it is right now, the earth elemental only taunts when its 3+ targets i think

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so on a boss it doesnt taunt, but when it spawns adds, it will

brave bolt
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Might be a stupid question, but is there any big difference in power between bleed and poison builds around lvl 102 ?
Cause while leveling I'd go build for the faster damage, but I don't want to build (and practice) around something less powerful

strange python
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bleed build is most likely unplayable at level 102

civic palm
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The "builds" don't really exist that low level even.

brave bolt
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Hmm, good to know. I'm just looking for info on talent choices and rotation tbh

plain thistle
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bleed build also is probably close to unplayable once you hit 110, you need a gear, legendaries and traits( master alchemist) and a good ilvl T20 2p is quite nice

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so its not realistic to grind for it this late in the expansion

brave bolt
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So should I just follow the basic recommandations on Icy-veins? The reason I asked for the builds is because of the link in this discord.

plain thistle
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yes, the guide here will show you bleed build as a option, because it is

civic palm
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@ 110

plain thistle
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just not the recommended one, specially in your case

brave bolt
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No worries.

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Just looking to know what i should be doing now, not accusing ^^'

safe tiger
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does anyone have a poison bomb anouncer wa? need for m+ for the tank

civic palm
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Nah

plain thistle
civic palm
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Don't use mine.

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I don't want to delete it.

signal grotto
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Just started playing sin couple days ago, on a fight like Vari, how close are you guys usually to your sims?

strange python
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Sims are very accurate but assume 8% poison bomb

signal grotto
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gotcha, ill check what my % on pb was. got 93% of parse for it, so doing OK so far

onyx falcon
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@safe tiger check Bunny (Notter)'s WA's on the site, pretty sure he has one on his list, if not look on wago.io

safe tiger
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ow i was looking at wago, and i found mizeroks ๐Ÿ˜›

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but i removed the ending affect

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just needed the announcer for the start for my m+ tank

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i set it up for 5man instances only

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will try to annoy others as little as i can

civic palm
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Yeah yelling at the tank to stop moving ๐Ÿ‘ not annoying.

safe tiger
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he asked for the wa

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he will know best as a tank if he can afford to move or not

marble hemlock
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i generally suggest tanks to use this one

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it doesnt have poison bomb in it, but you can easily add it

civic palm
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Yerp

marble hemlock
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the only problem is that bomb is a proc, not a spell cast, so you cant just duplicate any of the others and add it, you actually have to browse the combatlog for a bomb-tick happening as a trigger

civic palm
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Yeah but it's trivial to add PBOMB to the WA.

marble hemlock
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should be, ye

safe tiger
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ty #1 rogue

echo estuary
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i thought Tom was #1 ๐Ÿ˜ญ guess he got dethroned

civic palm
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...

onyx falcon
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actually speaking of which, dunno if this is a problem with anyone else, but my PB WA doesnt announce the "PB" until the first tick, anyone else have this problem?