assassination

[drifting cloud]

so you only swap relics when its more than error range?

20 ilvls with a sprint trait instead of a master alch

think ill take my passive dmg

[warm parcel]

alch is passive just alike

[drifting cloud]

I meant alch

[stark heart]

if sims are within error range it means there is no difference

[manic vigil]

In the simmed scenario *

[stark heart]

sure but that is caveat for any simulation

[manic vigil]

Absolutely

[warm parcel]

obviously the mvp here is the gained sprint trait

and bigger ilvl for flexing

[manic vigil]

I'm still dreaming of my 7malch 7bb setup

It will never happen

[stark heart]

7 malch 6 ma 5 bb

[warm parcel]

7 cot 👌

or 7 pyro 5 ignite 5 comb

[drifting cloud]

7 cloak 7 sprint ♿

literally immortal

[strange python]

mages ♿

[manic vigil]

Mage

Mage gonna be gucci for bfa weak?

[warm parcel]

Fire seems to keep most interesting stuff

Which is 👌

[manic vigil]

I need to go back to the roots

Awesome

[fervent beacon]

My guild is asking some of the melee to reroll range for BfA

but I don't want to play other classes than outlaw

[warm parcel]

yep

[manic vigil]

Yeah

[fervent beacon]

Buuut I might level a mage so

[manic vigil]

What about the other specs? I was always a fire mage but you know

Okay in classic I had to play frost because molten core and onyxia

[warm parcel]

frsot is still the simple frost which I enjoy too

and arcane is the same hot ass mess ♿

[fervent beacon]

wouldn't be surprised to see if frost was still top spec to dps for bfa

[manic vigil]

Sounds okay, thanks weak

[strange python]

Most people dont enjoy simple speccs

[fervent beacon]

I don't enjoy playing snd

[strange python]

It can be really chilled tho

[fervent beacon]

[supple hearth]

🤔

[stark heart]

🤔

[zealous dew]

who do I have to pay to get a bloody gutripper relic

oidfdsj kfslk

[strange python]

set loot spec to sub

[zealous dew]

good point

[manic vigil]

[marble hemlock]

gutripper is sub relic

so you shouldnt get a bloody one

its fel or shadow?

🤔

[manic vigil]

Bunch of comedians in here

[dire spoke]

960 hunger of the pack actually better than 945 fang

[zealous dew]

indeed

[lethal heart]

that's solid trinket tbh

[manic vigil]

[lethal heart]

only reliable high ilvl statstick you can get nowadays probably

[zealous dew]

and you can sprint when you kill stuff!

[lethal heart]

unless you hardcore pvp

[strange python]

isnt there a mastery statstick in hov that u can grind if the tank is your friend

[lethal heart]

i dont think so

[zealous dew]

the one that stuns

[strange python]

Gift of Radiance

[zealous dew]

yeah

[strange python]

ye

[zealous dew]

but has less mastery than a same level stick

due to the insane on use!

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/9941a974e08dc5132cfec0bf56f12357?token=a8f071623700bd550827568ed04b13a2

aggra mystic

[lethal heart]

if m+ nightbane was a thing

[strange python]

urn, yea

[zealous dew]

w0000a gratz dude

[lethal heart]

demo lock

monkaMEGA

[zealous dew]

what?

he's lolliction

[lethal heart]

no

some guy played demo

[zealous dew]

hehe

his pets played

[lethal heart]

i remember we had a guy in guild that was simming highest as demo in entire world or some shit

in tos

and even then he still wasnt playing it because it just wasnt practical to use?

[zealous dew]

comfort first

[hoary copper]

Fire mage doesnt look like it changed much in bfa so far from what Ive read. I may try to play it again, it was my original character on day 1 of release

3m dps, jesus

[manic vigil]

🔥

[manic vigil]

[lone junco]

@gusty kestrel ayy. Have you done any 5man work on sin BFa?

Specifically. Does Ct solve our aoe cleave problems in m+ trash packs. Seemsgood. That raid log was strong as shit.

[weak pine]

When Blizzard decides to give you a good roll for once

[zealous dew]

equip 4t20

and you good

for m+ 😃

[weak pine]

T20 eww

Never had the set bonus active

Ever

Propably because I joined few months before antorus

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/33bba0c2c0c36eee0ef6f7b6e0319f6c

argus mystik

[weak pine]

Isn't the enrage timer 11:00

[drifting cloud]

yes

[jovial kite]

yes

[weak pine]

O boi

Nice

[lone junco]

Those are always fun. Cloak. Evasion. Eeeeeee.

[weak pine]

Leeching poison>Cheat Death

Fight me

My guild certainly does that

[drifting cloud]

argus has like a 2sec death animation

so 11:00 on him doesnt mean much

[lone junco]

I pop cd all the time. It's one of the reasons I loved rogue.

[weak pine]

You may see it as failsafe

I see it as useless talent that's not supposed to be used

[strange python]

well, you also meant to use it to cheese mechanics, but ok 😃

[weak pine]

Cheese mechanics like what?

I don't see anything unvoidable in antorus

[strange python]

haha yeah nah yeah nah yeah im not getting into a argument on this, this isnt my first day on the internet 😂

[weak pine]

Tbh I only see it as a "congratulations you fucked up, here's a tag to show others"

[turbid harbor]

yikes

[weak pine]

If it pops you fucked up

And I aim to not fuck up

[turbid harbor]

y i k e s

[drifting cloud]

👍

[hoary copper]

I like cheesing and cloaking the flamey thing around agg (I dont do anything hard so it doesnt count) just because I can

[weak pine]

That's basically what you do with it

In that fight

Unless you fuck up and get hit by flames and take a dot

Can somebody give me an actual reason to run Cheat death other than life insurance?

[glossy galleon]

no

[strange python]

the troll is strong

[glossy galleon]

can you give me a reason not to run cheat death?

[weak pine]

Honestly

Leeching poison does something

[vernal adder]

you will be banned for cheating

[weak pine]

If you don't fuck up

Cheat death does nothing

Hence why I don't use it

[vernal adder]

[weak pine]

Honestly tell me what does it do if I do everything the way I'm supposed to

[lone junco]

I fuck up. Risk reward is good.

Leeching is far less value.

But you do you.

[weak pine]

I play so I don't

And I'm on top of most of our guild dps

[safe matrix]

you can run leeching if you wanna feel speshul about your healing parse

also spam crimson vial on CD

tbh it really depends on your healers, if they're complete shite leeching is fine

[weak pine]

Proggressing on argus

First week people were dying of healer problem

=Not recieving direct healing

And I was blamed for not picking cheat death

SMH

Dying to unavoidable mechanic

Heal leader tells me to pick cheat death or I get benched

Also mentions how he will go on recruiting spree to replace me

[solid nova]

Sounds like a reason for cheat death to me

[weak pine]

I was thinking about leaving the guild earlier today

Because that guy is so annoying

I barely even fuck up anymore

And when I do there are 3 others who did it worse

And I get shouted

[turbid harbor]

he might be using it as an excuse to kick you for another reason

[lost horizon]

To be fair though, leeching isn't gonna help when you're running blights out

[torpid sluice]

hmm, did they remove our poison bomb procs? 0 procs on kin'garoth for 3 raiddays already :c (on add phase ;p)

[sharp viper]

eenjoy elusiveness while feint isn't on 15s cd yet

[weak pine]

They're gonna have feint on 15s cd?

WOT

[cosmic nacelle]

its almost like no one ever reads alpha notes

[hoary copper]

I usually take feint but I also have to deal with pugs so can help a little

[cosmic nacelle]

feint has had a 15 second cd since one of the first alpha builds

so instead of spamming it you actually have to time it for when the damage is coming

[strange python]

read alpha notes, is like studying for a test you might never have

[wind gull]

Sup my dudes. Any suggestions or tips for mythic coven? Our rl thinks we need ranged instead of melee even though I am in the top 5 dps consistently.

[cosmic nacelle]

well if you want to make the fight a joke you bring 2 melee and thats it

[sharp viper]

i really don't mind a cd on feint but at least make elusiveness useful then...

[cosmic nacelle]

[sharp viper]

why 2 melees if you can have 0

[cosmic nacelle]

1 melee on each boss

[sharp viper]

full shadowpriest/afflock team

[strange python]

if your melee die in that aoe of death 2yd range phase its melee problem, but it seemed easy on the pulls i did on it.

[cosmic nacelle]

range also have an easier time cleaving on to the boss and the adds then melee.

[sharp viper]

the electroadds only become a hassle the 2nd time around if you ignore them to nuke the bosses

[cosmic nacelle]

a shadow priest can hit all 4 amathul adds and both the bosses at the same time

[weak pine]

The lighting adds are not an issue

We ignored them on 2nd rotation

We got half melee group

2 yards is extremely small area

[cosmic nacelle]

im pretty sure everyone ignores them on the second go around

[sharp viper]

it is not hard, just random movement can fuck people over

[safe matrix]

if he does what first?

???????

[lone junco]

Whew. Phone sucks.

[sharp viper]

you're raidleading noobe?

[lone junco]

Was. We are done for legion.

On break at least until ptr.

Zero value in farming mains at this point. We will ramp back up with recruitment in July I would guess.

[void pecan]

How long before does pre-patch normally come out?

[lone junco]

For wod to legion we had 1 or two raid clears with new talents.

Got to use exang on iron reaver once.

[turbid harbor]

I want to raid with stat squish

And do 5k dps

[lone junco]

I want to scrounge up 45crit 50% haste.

[mossy sable]

Leaching poison is dropped in BFA right?

[lone junco]

Fuck up the ep bleed meta.

@turbid harbor tbh I hope the squish happens in the new zones at launch. I wanna play with my good gear for a bit.

May need to reclaim some haste trinkets.

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/c3fdcaec221c59551beb549bf5f7eea5

oh shiiii

getting close to 2.4

973 ilvl btw

[lost horizon]

M argus p3, what should I be using cloak for?

[echo estuary]

Tom still does more btw

[lost horizon]

We break the first set of chains at once w/heal CDs, if that matters

[vernal adder]

cloak for dmg

[sharp viper]

973 ilvl my ass, you got 960 gloves and 940 shoulders from t20 to drag down your overall ilvl

[jovial kite]

so?

[lost horizon]

Does shadowmeld/vanish break chains? Not that I'd be holding vanish for it

[jovial kite]

i never understood the argument of having lower ilvl t20

i still sim more than you and if you had the same t20 as i, youd sim less 🤷🏿

inb4 bait, i was baited if that was ur intention

[vernal adder]

wow im so mad now

[sharp viper]

the comment adding your ilvl is pointless

[jovial kite]

moot arguments get me

its not though

its there to enforce the fact that exsang > tb

[sharp viper]

if it is overall ilvl it is

[turbid harbor]

this is very confusing

why can he not say his ilvl

[jovial kite]

yall motherfuckers need

[sharp viper]

have you simmed your rogue with high ilvl off pieces and more crit/mastery gear?

[jovial kite]

yes

[void pecan]

[turbid harbor]

i'm 970 if i use 2p t20

[jovial kite]

i have done 980 optimized sims

[void pecan]

Is my lord and savior

[jovial kite]

with exsang tb and alacrity

and tb is the worst of the 3

[hoary copper]

Alacrity

[void pecan]

I play alac sometimes because I'm lazy

[sharp viper]

@jovial kite

[jovial kite]

i can only show you de way

[sharp viper]

show me de way by showing me those sims

[hoary copper]

The de wei meme kinda looks like the exsang icon with face....coincidence?

[sharp viper]

well now we need someone to photoshop exsanguinate icon on topf the ugandan knuckles' head

[lone junco]

I should use my paint skills to give myself an angery face.

[hoary copper]

Isnt that your real face anyway Noobe?

[void pecan]

Jokes on you, his face is frozen like that

that's why he has to shop it.

[hoary copper]

Ha

[lone junco]

Yeah. I'm totally angery irl anyway. No shop necessary.

[timber mauve]

Exs is a meme

[hoary copper]

who are you again?

[jovial kite]

solid meme

[plucky stream]

hey guys how good is sephuz for sin rogues?

[void pecan]

bad

[plucky stream]

Even for M+?

[hoary copper]

Almost 2.4m meme Slagg

Bad

[void pecan]

bad

[plucky stream]

damn

[hoary copper]

If it has haste, run away

or spec outlul

[plucky stream]

i know i hate haste

[silent crescent]

hope haste is decent in BFA with the changes

[marble hemlock]

finally

the argoose died

[void pecan]

Unavoidable mechanic.. not having cheat death..

🤔

[midnight latch]

but leeching poison

[marble hemlock]

http://puu.sh/A5Xrn/adf5da8796.png

not bad for a firstkill

😮

[turbid harbor]

nice

[marble hemlock]

425 tries

took way longer than necessary 😦

[turbid harbor]

that's not so nice

but at least it's dead 😄

[marble hemlock]

ye

no ring though

😦

[lethal heart]

how much psn bomb damage

[turbid harbor]

he didn't even have that much

soulbomb isn't a mechanic

[lethal heart]

i mean not getting rages in p1

is nice

[marble hemlock]

either way you get full uptime, no?

[lethal heart]

so you can have all the buffs in p

p1*

assa scales so good with the buff its unreal

[turbid harbor]

you just cloak so they go off 1 by 1

[marble hemlock]

the way we play it, even if i get triplerage, i can still get all 4 buffs

so its not that bad

[turbid harbor]

instead of both at same time

and nobody has to move

that would be great for parsing

but worse to learn for progress

with the movement

[marble hemlock]

overall i gotta say, its a nice boss, but progressing on it was a pain in the ass

and i got huge respect for all the guilds that did it before they changed the way the chains work

yeah

watching it was frustrating as hell

and playing it mustve been ten times worse

[lethal heart]

well that was something

[craggy lynx]

Yo where are the crucible weights for assa

[lethal heart]

yea it was 3

[void pecan]

[craggy lynx]

Cant find the right one

I got lost in the sauce

[hybrid viper]

Hey guys, i've been using envenom on 1 combo point to get more poison bomb procs, but i don't seem to get them at all. am i bugged?

[marble hemlock]

👌

[void pecan]

Call

submit a ticket

email

Do whatever you can.

[supple hearth]

@hybrid viper it's a % per combo point spent so spending single combo points at a time would be less chance and a waste of a combo

[pastel timber]

Question, is it better to build 4-5 points before dumping into envenom? or just envenom after every mut?

[void pecan]

4-5

always

[stark heart]

4+

[supple hearth]

Pretty much for every finisher except for rupture there's a benefit to spending more than less. Rupture is only the duration so you can use less combo points if it's not going to live long

[pastel timber]

that's what i thought, just feel like im wasting alot of points when i look at my logs through analyzer

[stark heart]

How is it exponential?

[hoary copper]

More points, more damage?

More % on pb proc

[supple hearth]

• pb

It's % per combo point

[stark heart]

That's called linear

[hoary copper]

Shit I've been home and not on Wi-Fi. Bye data

[supple hearth]

Exponential is an increase. Your damage increases the more combo points spent

Semantics if you want...it's really not worth arguing it's not the point at all. The point remains and it should be clear. Using more combo points is more beneficial than using less for everytjing except for rupture if it's not going to live long enough

[stark heart]

So proper terms are semantics now

[viscid helm]

that's incorrect

[spare cloud]

Linear is an increase as well

🤷

[stark heart]

Yes but phrase was "exponential benefit" which is simply untrue

[spare cloud]

I think pretty much all the scalings of rogue are linear

[supple hearth]

It's not true that you get more benefit for using more combo points than less?

[spare cloud]

even the spell damage in itself

[supple hearth]

????

[stark heart]

It's not true that it's exponential

[spare cloud]

Linear increase is what for example poison bomb procc chance is

every combo point brings 2,5%

Exponential would be

1 cp = 2% 2 cp = 4% increase

[spare cloud]

so you would have 6% pb procc chance on

[echo estuary]

Tom's banrate is exponential

[spare cloud]

More rapid

thats the point

[echo estuary]

approaching infinity

[supple hearth]

Increase vs straight line lol

[spare cloud]

You know a straight line can go up as well?

[hoary copper]

Poor tiny Tom

[supple hearth]

Still not sure why the focus is on the word choice. If you prefer a different one thats fine

It still works

[spare cloud]

Because exponential is the wrong word

for that

[hoary copper]

You know what else can go up?

[spare cloud]

per definition

thats about it

[hoary copper]

Helicopters

[spare cloud]

did you not have math in school?

thats like 10th grade

[supple hearth]

Take exponential out of my statement then if it bothers you that much lmao Holy Santa Claus

It's still a benefit to use more

Vs less

[spare cloud]

Its not about bothering

its just that people read it and then think pb scaling is exponential

which isnt the case

[stark heart]

It's misleading because most people treat exponential and linear as in math terms

[hoary copper]

Dear Lord people will argue over the dumbest thing

[manic vigil]

Is it dumb tho

[stark heart]

Very constructive @hoary copper btw

[hoary copper]

It's semantics. It's a pointless argument over word choices that has nothing to do with the overall point more CP is more damage except rupture

If you want constructive you're in the wrong channel

[stark heart]

Yeah I figured that

[spare cloud]

Yeh, I still dont think it doesnt matter

because it can misslead people

thats all I said

[manic vigil]

tisumi

[spare cloud]

Raiding makes me angery

I'm sad that I didnt get any pbs on that portal keeper try

could've been really good

[midnight latch]

seems like I missed "introduction to math with giggle"

[keen inlet]

@spare cloud 0, 1, and 2 are generally bad examples to use

as they behave curiously

[spare cloud]

That is true even though I used 2 and 4, could've said it better though

my bad

[nimble tartan]

🍿

[keen inlet]

well 2 and 4 are weird too

[spare cloud]

Shouldnt use doubles to make a point like that

yeh

thats why I said I couldve said it better

[supple hearth]

I removed exponential @midnight latch don't worry everyone was just freaking out over a simple fix.

[midnight latch]

@supple hearth Didn't mean it as an offence. I just saw some math scrolling over it. Was excited to see some actual math in here for so long. Typed that sentence. and hit enter. Probably should have read it first. ❤ all gucci

[stark heart]

Math

[spare cloud]

quick maffs

[keen inlet]

according to my calculations

[supple hearth]

@stark heart I appreciate btw bringing up that my statement could be misinterpreted/misunderstood.

[civic palm]

So do we FoK @ 3CP?

[neon bluff]

🤔

[civic palm]

You have ~3 months to get ready for a barrage of literally the same questioned asked back-to-back, more times than you though possible.

[midnight latch]

time to get some graphs and guides setup

[void pecan]

I need some hard math on these facts.

[spare cloud]

But hard maths is really hard.

[midnight latch]

I am actually considering going full eve online on BfA

World of spreadsheets

[spare cloud]

Share with me then please

Im considering going 5 chars

[civic palm]

Gonna be FUN.

[spare cloud]

Oh mize i should do that too

[civic palm]

Oh yeah?

[pearl widget]

anyone know a good Weak Aura for Assassin DM me please

[spare cloud]

Notters Weakauras on the Website are good for beginners

[gaunt moat]

for beginners? 🤔

well they are, but not just :x

[spare cloud]

I mean every advanced played should probably make his own weakauras.

[civic palm]

Yeah I dunno about the beginners thing.

[spare cloud]

My opinion at least 🤷

[civic palm]

Can search mine on WAGO, there are some options.

[fervent beacon]

I still use Notter WA because it does everything that I need to know.

[olive dagger]

I only see openers for ppl with mantle, I don't have mantle and I haven't played since like 7.2 - is my opener the same as the old one (vanishing a rupture instead of an envenom basically) or is it different since 7.2

[spare cloud]

The Guide covers opener without Mantle.

!singuide

[chrome tusk]

Assassination guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[olive dagger]

ah thanks

[vast kelp]

does anyone have a weak aura that tracks how many ruptures i have on multiple targets at once

[civic palm]

No.

Also you should not be able to have more than 1 Rupture per target :3

Also;

No more than three.

Easy enough to eyeball.

[vast kelp]

yea just want to more easily track when they are gonna run out

for example a timer for each of them that i have up on coven

[novel island]

RIP Mobile Auction House

You served me well.

[civic palm]

Mmmmm, there was a WA a while ago that tracked ruptures on targets but without numbers, don't remember who's it waaaaaaas.

Looks like some Warlock multi-dot trackers are only doing target and focus hmmm

So, it looks like the Auto-Clone function is still in WeakAuras, but the Multi-targeting tracking is gone.

[lofty grove]

hey hey peeps, i was wondering... what talent should i pick if i use soul of the shadowblade? my second lego it's either that or the insigna...

[civic palm]

Insignia is probably better, use Raidbots.com to SIM it and find out!

[lofty grove]

yup but i should pick a talent to sim

[civic palm]

DS probably.

[lofty grove]

yeah was leaning to that

simming

oke can confirm Insigna is better x.x

[civic palm]

👌

[lofty grove]

thanks wise man

[civic palm]

🙇

Usually toxic.

But I was bummed by this multi-target tracking being broken so I chose to be helpful.

[paper mural]

Hey guys, my RL has asked me to fill out a form for gear on our mythic raids, what bosses are high priority in terms of gear needed?

[civic palm]

Whichever one drops the most Titanforged gear.

Realistically, if you are using TB still, Crit/Mastery are probably winning the stat weight war.

So gear with those stats are the winners.

[supple hearth]

@paper mural tell your raid lead this:

[steep obsidian]

Nothing wrong with trying to figure out what bosses people need before the raid

[drifting cloud]

well assa can use 1-2 items from pretty much every boss

[paper mural]

Thanks guys

I'm just gonna put high need on all bosses then

[drifting cloud]

imonar is the only boss where its tier only

and if you have pk belt and a decent blood relic

then vari and coven become obsolete

aggra is tier only aswell unless you use the legs as your offpiece

[paper mural]

Cool, awesome 😃

Thanks mate

[heavy plover]

Is garothi hard for anyone else to get a 95+ or do i just suck, only boss i don't have a 95+ parse on in HC

[primal tangle]

i only have a 97

problem for me is kin

92

Oh you mean heroic?

Heroic should be aljl about kill time

[dire spoke]

👀

[heavy plover]

ye

kin is ez for me

i just can't beat 90 on kin

everything else is 98/99 lul

[spare cloud]

Everyone has better logs than me

[heavy plover]

i mean i wouldn't worry about logs as assas

50% rng fights

if you aint got a pb proc on high command etc, no point you won't even reach a 70 parse

[steep obsidian]

I’ve gotten a decent parse doing pod it all about getting on at the right time and getting everyone to stead of aoe pad

[strange python]

Any rogues in here that are like 9/11m+ that are happy to PM me so I can ask a few questions? I currently ask Nibren from Honestly a lot of stuff but I feel bad pestering him all the time.

[heavy plover]

pod damage counts towards your log?

[humble crane]

Fairly certain it doesnt

Well, I know the second pod doesnt.

[heavy plover]

ye didnt think it did

i have no problem getting a 99 on imonar, but can't beat a 90 on garothi, i must be fucking something up

[lost horizon]

@strange python you can also drop questions here my dude

[strange python]

Thanks man

[heavy plover]

yeah what's up Dysent

[grim canopy]

lets say u do a M+ sub and assassin, same i lvl same apm esports skills, how much % more dmg will sub do

is it as huge gap as people say

overall dmg at end of dungeon

[safe stratus]

Same dysent

[lone junco]

@grim canopy Tbh i do a little more overall damage as sin, but sub has a neat use

in a trash pack you can murder one specific mob really really fucking hard.

sub likes 6mob pulls. less and they suffer, more and they dont gain

I prefer sin in M+ cause the cripple is strong, and my group has much better aoe than me, so i kill the priority targets with vendetta. and still get good shoulder bombs in the 10m dps range.

[steep obsidian]

sub is insane when you play to its strengths like those teams have been in the MDI

if everyone is just "lol blow up everything asap" it suffers eh

i should play more sub but i normally group with an mm hunt/wwmonk/affi so shit dies real fast

[distant hinge]

Hey for bleed build what is ideal stats/ legendary to start for? jsut bored with current Poison build. Is it crit versa?

[steep obsidian]

you want 3 ma i believe

master assas relics

and boots bracers

after that sim away but crit is very good without shoulders

[distant hinge]

ya figured but dont trip on mastery i guess? more versa?

[jovial kite]

crit>versa>mastery

[steep obsidian]

do you actually gem crit slagg?

[jovial kite]

Yes

Im at 48 crit and its best stat by far

[distant hinge]

i can get like 42 crit/163 mastery but only like 6% versa

[jovial kite]

U can play with those stats

like versa and mastery are pretty much even

[distant hinge]

i got a few rupture/garrote perks also

[jovial kite]

Im 14% versa and 132 maatery and they are equal

[distant hinge]

only like 2 MA though

[jovial kite]

dont go garrote though

3 ma is a must

And t20

[distant hinge]

ohh the t20 huh

[jovial kite]

t20 2p

[distant hinge]

ot a 960 chest t20 so jsut need to get another since vendored all that stuff

[steep obsidian]

you can restor it if you vendored less then 3 months ago

[jovial kite]

itemrestoration

[steep obsidian]

on the website

[jovial kite]

Is ur friend

[distant hinge]

ya but they were like pretty low, doesnt matter?

[jovial kite]

t20 value is superhigh in exsang

If u got 960 already ur good to go

[distant hinge]

the 960 was titty forged

[jovial kite]

im 960 940

On my 2p

[distant hinge]

hmm cool thanks

jsut soooooooo bored with Poison

[jovial kite]

exsang is bae

[distant hinge]

out of curiosity waht you sima t with your build?

with poison im at 2.2

[jovial kite]

2.38m

973 ilvl

[distant hinge]

damnnnnn

ya jsut been getting into Mythic due to xrealm

[jovial kite]

https://gyazo.com/c3fdcaec221c59551beb549bf5f7eea5

Exsang is in a really good spot right now

[steep obsidian]

its about 60 k dps behind for me but i lose like 7 ilvls the 2p arcway set and i have fuck all crit

[distant hinge]

jsut looked at 2 set t20

is the energy reduction really taht good?

[jovial kite]

yes

And its not only about energu redu

You wont lose any energy from losing uptime

its a must have

all and all its energy regen, reduction and ofc dmg

[distant hinge]

oh you use subterfuge also

[jovial kite]

No

T20 makes the cd 3 sec

[distant hinge]

makes sense for add doting

didnt think of that

[viscid helm]

What

Lol

[plain thistle]

lol

exsanguinate bro, garrote doesnt last for 15s to refresh it without t20

[viscid helm]

Do you understand what exsang does?

[distant hinge]

oh derp

[jovial kite]

the point of t20 is to not lose uptime

[distant hinge]

like i said was thinking of switching forgot it was ALL bleeds

[jovial kite]

which you would after every exsang

[distant hinge]

for some reason just thought rupture

[jovial kite]

youd have around 7 sec without garrote

After exsang

[distant hinge]

ya that good i get it now

[steep obsidian]

ds actually sim better then vigor on xsang for me, hmm that is actually really close to poison build now

hmm maybe xsang tonight coz bored

[jovial kite]

ds is a must on exa

just like ep

[steep obsidian]

yeh

was just simmin different combos

my gear is setup lik eshit for it but i cant really do much about that unless i gem and enchant all crit

and that sound like too much effort atm 😛

[inner leaf]

Any maths done with haste and assassination rogue

[viscid helm]

What math

[plain thistle]

you avoid

like its aids

[steep obsidian]

throw away anything with heavy haste

is the math

[plain thistle]

thats the math

😄

[dire spoke]

most of your good logs are now exsa

what are you talking old man

[inner leaf]

I also meant in bfa

My bad

[steep obsidian]

oh well people dont really worry about theorycrafting the math until tuning is done

anything is really just a guess rn and could change daily anyway

[stark heart]

math

[tawdry bloom]

is scourewing rly this bad for ass https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dapx26kcF8EQ7krcUm7Cqf

scourgewing*

[shrewd night]

Yes. Check pins and you'll see.

[zealous dew]

ded cennel

[shrewd night]

Mmm ded

[jovial kite]

yes

[zealous dew]

i'll check #subtlety more fun in there

[jovial kite]

https://youtu.be/nHc288IPFzk

[safe matrix]

sometimes I'll answer something in #subtlety then go to sleep

and i'll still see it there in the morning

[zealous dew]

rip class...

[safe matrix]

end of xpac, no one really wants to bother learning a new class 🤷

[shrewd night]

Correction

Nobody bothers to learn a ded spec

ayyyy

[zealous dew]

savage

probably because of method top 5+ M+ classes

😄

[slate tulip]

agrramar hc pb ~19% dmg aggramar mythic pb ~3% #1

[onyx falcon]

huh... so found out just now researching macros.... apparently you can just use a macro to use a trinket in your "x" slot.... sooo for anyone who might use multiple different trinkets for AoE you can just use "/use 13" for use the trinket in trinket slot 1 o.o if anyone didnt know

[zealous dew]

lul

[solid nova]

Its been that way for years?

[undone blade]

hi, im considering playing assa on bfa. Are they keeping that poison bomb shit?

[hazy iron]

its becoming a talent

but getting a proc buff / damage nerf

[past ridge]

it will most likely be our main ST talent in that row and then CT for aoe

[undone blade]

ty

[astral sundial]

@past ridge right now CT is not a single target increase?

[past ridge]

id rather use an Envenom then a CT on ST

and with a 20% proc on PB from Envenom and Rupture id would make more sence for an ST increase - but everything is a subject to change so we dont know yet

[zealous dew]

pb dead

rogue ded

[dire spoke]

👀

[zealous dew]

game ded

alpha ded

[shrewd night]

u ded

[zealous dew]

indie company ded

i'm ded if I don't make money for the company today

by the look of it i'm booking a coffin already

[shrewd night]

I make money errday

[midnight latch]

everyone dead

I WIN

[civic palm]

As the coffin maker I need your dimensions.

[zealous dew]

this market is so fecking flat today, come on can someone go bankrupt or so

[civic palm]

F u k t
u
k
t

Seems right.

[zealous dew]

90-60-90

[shrewd night]

That uh

Reminds me of the glorydays of efukt

[midnight latch]

downwards its rukt

[civic palm]

What R you potato?

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew same meassures for the other leg aswell?

[zealous dew]

2nd or 3rd?

[midnight latch]

@civic palm the R in mizeRok?

[civic palm]

I make coffins not cargo containers. We're going to need a specialist.

[zealous dew]

@jovial kite might build a robot to help us

[civic palm]

Wonder what this looks like.

F u k t
u k
k u
t k u F

That works.

[dire spoke]

naya 👋🏻

miz

[civic palm]

👋

Working my way through Mindhunter 👌

[midnight latch]

@dire spoke

[civic palm]

People in my guild are asking people whether they are sticking around > _> gonna get awkward soon.

[midnight latch]

people asking people

sounds uncomfortable

[civic palm]

Especially when some of them have been around for way longer than my Brother and I.

[midnight latch]

social anxiety slowly increasing

[zealous dew]

cut down raiding days to 0

problem solved

[civic palm]

Nah, I am not a sociopath but this will be a clean cut for me.

They know my frustrations and have not been able to product.

[dire spoke]

the guild I'm leaving today just did that yesterday - recruiting a stable roster before any run is gonna happen again

seems like I woke them up

[midnight latch]

by the way my sweat dudes

[civic palm]

We've lost like, 4-5 very good players.

[midnight latch]

we should move this to #off-topic

[civic palm]

They just kinda fucking don't care.

[midnight latch]

before we get slapped

[civic palm]

Nah.

[warm parcel]

Got that right

[solid nova]

If Jose catches you

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[solid nova]

Better run

[zealous dew]

wait, i'll get this on topic

do you mutilate at 3pc or fok ?

[solid nova]

Something, something, Assassination

[civic palm]

MUT #assassination

[solid nova]

Is Rupture a finishing move?

[civic palm]

There's gonna be like... 5 people leaving more-than-likely. #assassination

[zealous dew]

can you PB proc on rupture from stealth ?

[civic palm]

Sure. #assassination

[stark heart]

#MakeSpecChannelsGreatAgain

[civic palm]

Yeah well wait 3 months.

See how GREAT things will be.

[solid nova]

It's going to be such a fiesta

🤢

[dire spoke]

lmao

[civic palm]

Oh no guys I need to level... can't be here... for that.

[solid nova]

Did you know that poisons only account for 1k of your dps though?

[civic palm]

Need to uhhh.... farm herbs.

1kk more like #assassination

[shrewd night]

[dire spoke]

rogue rogue stuff and stuff, talents simcraft stuff and stuff

[shrewd night]

I simmed without poisons btw

2,3m

[civic palm]

Where are my MEMEs?!

Done.

[dire spoke]

ping and message and link

[solid nova]

I havent seen family guy in so long

[civic palm]

Neither has anyone else.

[solid nova]

Do i vanish envenom or vanish rupture with t20?

[stark heart]

It's going to be such a fiesta
It is already

[civic palm]

LEEEEEROYYYYYYYYYYY JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENKIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiins.

Do I read the guide? or do I stop after seeing the opener?

[solid nova]

@stark heart When BFA launches, you'll be begging for pre launch sin chat

[civic palm]

#assassination

[solid nova]

I see it now

[civic palm]

Nah he was around for Legion launch IIRC.

Knows that idiocy.

[shrewd night]

Should be a regular-sin-chat channel

[solid nova]

BFA will launch then i'll see you at xmas when the filtering has been done

[civic palm]

haha

Going to my secret channel.

Where's it's just ME.

[jovial kite]

[civic palm]

What a nice server.

Mmm, tea.

[shrewd night]

henlo frens how i get agility pls

[solid nova]

Aha

Mine is pinky and the brain

@civic palm Get rekt i have double friends

[gaunt moat]

@civic palm now i want an invite to that EXCLUSIVE channel

[shrewd night]

But if you join it, how is it exclusive

[stark heart]

@solid nova not really, I would want just on-topic-assassination

[jovial kite]

No frens

[gaunt moat]

@shrewd night

[shrewd night]

KUTSU JASENIA

[solid nova]

Not muting channels

[jovial kite]

they are muted

[civic palm]

My server is entirely locked down, pretty much entirely for voice.

[jovial kite]

all i get is the blob on the side

[civic palm]

Don't even think you can send external emojis or use reactions.

[solid nova]

Dont forget to mute minigames

[civic palm]

SERIOUSBUSINESS

You know what happens in there.

[gaunt moat]

ok ok. getting complaints, so #off-topic please

[shrewd night]

HENLO FRENS HOW I GET AGILITY PLS

[zealous dew]

stack haste

[wispy zephyr]

whats everyone think to the BFA rogue changes?

[zealous dew]

and spec alacrity

[shrewd night]

Dont care about the changes until late beta

Because they dont matter

[viscid helm]

Why?

Nothing is going to change

[shrewd night]

Numbers will

[zealous dew]

flowi crushing our dreams

[solid nova]

Declining numbers

😂

[viscid helm]

Numbers are irrelevant untill heroic week

Always been

[dire spoke]

numbers still gonna be 0-9

[zealous dew]

what about I V X

[wispy zephyr]

ability wise tbh

[shrewd night]

What abilities

[zealous dew]

cooking, fishing, first aid

[stark heart]

@jovial kite tankchat at the top of the list

smh

[turbid harbor]

😊

[jovial kite]

I actually never visit

Dont even have a role

So cant see the cancer

Im fine with that

[turbid harbor]

😏

[dire spoke]

ugh

https://snag.gy/Bbj4sq.jpg

this trinket feels so weird

[jovial kite]

100k less than me

With equal ilvl

[dire spoke]

[viscid helm]

TB confirmed shit

[shrewd night]

Not even 960 SSW, what is this Zempai

[jovial kite]

shadow singed wonder

[shrewd night]

Its what it is tho

[dire spoke]

no matter what I try, boots-bracers not better

best it can do is 2.23

[zealous dew]

i'll try for shit and giggles

not bad a for a scrub

[midnight latch]

can i have ur gear pls

ty fam

[zealous dew]

nop

[midnight latch]

wew

[zealous dew]

let me try with MA relics

not worth losing aoe dmg for 50k gain

[midnight latch]

I have 3 Malchs now and no MA trying to get that perfect kingsbane everytime
missing two Ma to be a perfect fit so vendetta would be of cd when kb is ready again

@zealous dew stahp cant take this anymore

[zealous dew]

i have 3malc 3pk

feck MA

[midnight latch]

gear carried

[zealous dew]

carried where, i do M+ only 😃

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew same

is kingsbane like #4 on bossfights for u aswell?

[zealous dew]

sometimes 3rd

close to rupture anyway

[midnight latch]

spiked like crazy when I got the 3rd Malch

rupture does like nothing compared anymore

[zealous dew]

depends on the CP generation luck during kb window

sometimes i get 20-22 sometimes 24-26 stacks

malc is really good in M+

[midnight latch]

yeah

[zealous dew]

along with PK

but you always want MoS as T2 and i have 0

sad panda

[midnight latch]

I have gushing wound 🤢

[zealous dew]

go bleed! 😄

[midnight latch]

hell no

[ornate gazelle]

What's the longest you should delay Vendetta for Lust?

[steep obsidian]

wut

[turbid harbor]

I wouldn’t

[steep obsidian]

^

if you running 3 ma it would be hard to not get at least part of a vendetta in it though even just using it on cd

well with boots

[midnight latch]

more so if u have boots

[zealous dew]

mmm was checking this log

guy in my guild always tb last 9s of kb

his kb dmg is insane

[midnight latch]

whats his highest tick?

I hold it aswell for every kb

3.1 mill was the highest tick for me iirc

I need more mastery

[zealous dew]

3.7m

[midnight latch]

noice

[zealous dew]

mine is 3.02

wtf

LOL

[midnight latch]

nice

[zealous dew]

man that's sick

[midnight latch]

trying to get that cos /arcway set

for the 3k mastery

[shrewd night]

Ive had a 3,6m hit but nothing of THAT sort

[zealous dew]

i wonder how he can do that

sec pulling out his opener

[midnight latch]

execute would be more thou

if he holds vendetta tb kb for when the execute hits

[zealous dew]

omfg

[midnight latch]

pretty kingsbane heavy opener

[zealous dew]

i mean

[midnight latch]

getting damn ticks

[steep obsidian]

i have the 3k mastery set on my rogue i have 985 glove

only 940 boot tho

[zealous dew]

lust on pull helps

[cold patio]

should Uptime for SoT or for Envenem debuff/buff higher?

[steep obsidian]

it hard to drop sims really well

[zealous dew]

look at the vanish

and laugh

[midnight latch]

@steep obsidian how do you feel about playing with that set?

[steep obsidian]

the uptime is high

and its noticeable

and the pieces are still heavy crit so not terrible itemised otherwise

[midnight latch]

thing is i have 970 crit mastery boots rightnow and the set hands in 960
would like to have the boots proc'd

[steep obsidian]

well the 985 940 set sims higher then my 960/960 boots gloves

not by a huge amount but its still better

[shrewd night]

How much is the difference?

[steep obsidian]

i cant remember it was like 5k or so?

[shrewd night]

Ah, so its within the variance

If you want to be technical about it

[steep obsidian]

well i did quite a few and they were consistent

but yeh i guess you could say so

[midnight latch]

@zealous dew btw that vanish looks like he brainfarted
I refuse to believe that one is intentional

[steep obsidian]

i havent simmed all my gear sets for a while though coz im not even doing mythic and i dont really care

[shrewd night]

If it was like more than 10k I might be obliged to farm the set since I got the gloves already at a decent level

[steep obsidian]

i think flowi uses the set

i dont know what ilvls he managed to get though

[cold patio]

should i aim for higher SoT or Evenbuff uptime?

[shrewd night]

Im just a little hestitant because I already got a good setup going, and getting both boots and gloves slots locked can be awkward

[midnight latch]

well thats whats legion is all about

[steep obsidian]

yeah its awkward for sure

[midnight latch]

locked slots

[steep obsidian]

i didnt farm specifically for it

i was just lucky with a cache and already had the boots

if i could get 960+ boots it would be nice though

[midnight latch]

I mean look at the Lord of the rings build from sub
rings are the next best thing cause everything is occupied by tier slots

[shrewd night]

I might go back to bracer/head tbh. While insignia has been good to me it just doesnt feel the same 😠

[hazy iron]

my head sims fairly well for me

[shrewd night]

Feel the same as in, while the dpsfloor was increased, the ceiling was lowered as well, or thats what it -feels- like

[zealous dew]

let me check another fight

proper vanish, bad timing, not under TB window

[spiral bolt]

Quick question, the ravenhodt guides doenst say much about it and show a log with only 60% uptime on envenom, but we SHOULD try go get as much uptime as possible right (without energy caping of course)? instead of just spaming envenom whenever we can. I've getting 90ish% uptime when i dont spam, and getting results pretty close to my sims this way

[solid nova]

Yes you should be aiming for high envenom uptimes without capping energy

I assume thats the quick question hidden within there anyway 🤷🏼

[spiral bolt]

yeah, ty

[shrewd night]

Depends on gearing tbh, if you have high crit the uptime just comes naturally anyways

[solid nova]

Got the comparison logs to show?

Because with gear you tend to be able to spend less time looking at that

[spiral bolt]

The guide does say :"Try to use Envenom right before your Envenom buff falls off." but it also shows a log with 60% uptime O.o

[solid nova]

Fights with downtime you're going to get a lot less

[viscid helm]

Guide writer probably a noob

[solid nova]

Garothis vs Imonar etc its just not a feasable comparison unless you break it down into uptime during phases

[shrewd night]

Vari best comparison 👌

If you dont have to go out for the shit anyways

[solid nova]

Tbh i dont even know what log is shown in the guide

[viscid helm]

Hows vari better than garothi

[shrewd night]

inflating the numbers with cannons 🤷

miniscule but yaknow

[viscid helm]

[midnight latch]

eonar best comparison

[spiral bolt]

Eonar as assassin feels like a naruto episode

Soo many kunais

[solid nova]

Keep your weeb shit away

[shrewd night]

[midnight latch]

wiping the raid cause u fall asleep and u missed ur turn to go on the ship

[solid nova]

@midnight latch Admiral Naya, you are not. ⛵

[midnight latch]

Admiral what

I am no boat

what

[solid nova]

Dont question, only accept.

[midnight latch]

k

[solid nova]

Can i have link for gif please

[midnight latch]

sinking the shp

cat gif?

[solid nova]

Yes ❤

[spiral bolt]

Too much talking about boats and admirals, what is this, #outlaw ?

[shrewd night]

Yes

[midnight latch]

ye when I am home sure

[solid nova]

I appreciate

[midnight latch]

@spiral bolt welp we prep for the pirate lyfe in bfa

being naruto is donezo

[viscid helm]

Stop

[spiral bolt]

Ins't naruto #subtlety tough?

[midnight latch]

@viscid helm go back to work

[solid nova]

Idk what naruto is

But it doesnt sound good

[shrewd night]

its like wasabi

but stronger

[solid nova]

It sounds weeby

So its probably gross

[shrewd night]

Really gooey and chunky

so better not eat it

[spiral bolt]

#assassination its "saw assassins creed trailer once, had to play it, already spent money on wow no money left"

[shrewd night]

[strange python]

ok

[midnight latch]

@strange python ok 👌

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Q6wXE1A865SyPRTxejNXg

apperantly this is my bis ST gear

sometimes shoulders feels so broken tho :/

[spiral bolt]

Have you tryed diferent fight durations?

[midnight latch]

how can u play with broken shoulders thou

[spiral bolt]

maybe with a more shoulder friendly duration

[strange python]

broken shoulders? 😮

[spiral bolt]

Elitists dont want my 937 rogue on fresh heroics D:

[strange python]

but i think its intresting that insignia sims equal to shoulder too

[midnight latch]

weak had a setup with insignia aswell few weeks back

insignia is not terrible

[solid nova]

I wouldnt want your 937 rogue in a hc clear either

Nothing to do with being elitist, theres better options.

This late in the expansion the number of 970 sign ups for pugs due to some guilds not running HC anymore

[shrewd night]

Using insignia now because I refuse to use shoulders

it works out pretty 👌

[strange python]

im only at 194% mastery with the showed option

[shrewd night]

Im at 164

Point?

[strange python]

🤢

[shrewd night]

Not to mention your gear is fucking disgusting

[spiral bolt]

@solid nova i know, im jk hahahaha everyone has 960+ nowdays

[prime void]

Who plays with mast gear

Yuck.

[strange python]

my gear is disgusting? how so @shrewd night

[shrewd night]

My fists are clenching from seeing your head/shoulders/ring

[strange python]

i mean i have shitty set combinations i know but i dont think ill be able to change that anymore with that helmet

[viscid helm]

I have 120% mastery can someone help me

970 btw