Could just be a website thing.
#assassination
calm grail
sleek cargo
wowhead had dispatch yesterday
viscid helm
doesnt matter
steep obsidian
yeah the build they put up is probably the one that was at blizzcon
which would have been an old stable build even then
viscid helm
yes
calm grail
I wouldn't read too much into something missing from a fan site.
calm grail
Or anything changing right now currently.
shrewd oriole
Pretty excited
viscid helm
11/11M free 1st wave invite
sleek cargo
you guys staying rogue for bfa or too early to tell
calm grail
I have been playing Rogue solely since trial of the Crusader.
shrewd oriole
Yeah, argus is so close to being down
sleek cargo
ive had mine simce vanilla but swapped to warlcok and a few others inbetween
shrewd oriole
Next week or the one after at most
calm grail
Did boost a Warlock recently though. FoTM and all.
calm grail
Haven't done shit with it though.
sleek cargo
is that for real 11mythic get invites?
calm grail
I quit for the first chunk of Wrath, but before that I played Hunter.
sleek cargo
awesome, thats so good of them...reward for the mythic teams
shrewd oriole
Was the same with HFC and siege
shrewd oriole
Good players who understand the game give better feedback
You want the best feedback
The better feedback about stuff like class changes obv
sleek cargo
true that @shrewd oriole
dire spoke
You don't even know sub rota pfft
shrewd oriole
Stuff like leveling or pet battles, casuals are way better at that
Dude that was sub rota when I played sub fml
That was bracers rotation
But yeah
calm grail
He's not wrong. Even though I play the shit out of the game, I probably won't get 11/11. You can bet the people who are 11 out of 11 that will probably be playing next expansion because they are pretty invested in the game.
shrewd oriole
Casuals do content that most mythic raiders don’t so their feedback is still important just for other things
calm grail
I would definitely give beta invites to those folks
plain thistle
hey, anyone here have that WA that shows my talents and legendary setup?
shrewd oriole
I don’t know two shits about leveling or pet battles or like transmog runs
calm grail
I'm in a 6/11 ♿ guild where it feels like we have to relearn the fights every week.
plain thistle
or is that a addon?
gaunt moat
No saying you're completly wrong.
but i'm just gonna point out that 11/11 is completly irrlevant for testing alpah. they're not testing raids yet afaik.
shrewd oriole
I think there’s weak auras for it too tho
calm grail
So it turns out, we were wiping on Eonar because people were padding during her life force
shrewd oriole
Yeah but 11/11 people understand their class better on average
calm grail
So we weren't getting energy For Those adds
shrewd oriole
And therefore give better feedback about class changes
Which are the most important changes on beta
gaunt moat
still, you made it sound like they're giving it to every guild who reached 11/11
shrewd oriole
Last expac
calm grail
Did you know that was a thing Tom?
shrewd oriole
Every top 150 got an invite
shrewd oriole
Really? Lmao
calm grail
Yeah, if you let her life force kill things, it gives you credit. If you kill time during the life force cast then you don't get percentage.
Kill them during*
shrewd oriole
Legit only people who got banned for botting didn’t get an invite
We private log most of the time so I don’t get to pad
Padding is fun unless it wipes up lol
calm grail
I wish our logs were private so that didn't happen.
shrewd oriole
I know that for a fact because I talked to a shit load of people AND because I have two accounts, one which got it and one which didn’t and both killed archi
calm grail
Tom, it's me your brother.
shrewd oriole
One of them was banned for a few days
calm grail
I'm gonna need beta access
valid moss
What are the main reasons for which most rogues going Assa for Argus M? I understand it as "Execute phase bracers" + "no DFA cancer" ?
shrewd oriole
Well they are merged now
calm grail
Honestly, no DfA cancer was enough for me to stay Assassination even last tier.
plain thistle
because sin is better ? 😂
viscid helm
Because Assa is better than Sub 🤷
shrewd oriole
It’s exactly what you’re describing plus assa does more damage
Just more damage period
Phase 3 damage on assa is so much higher as well
calm grail
I can't count the fucking times DfA got dodged by Mistress.
valid moss
aha yea okay :D
shrewd oriole
You get half an hour of execute phase lol
Phase 3 is the hardest part of the fight
By far
viscid helm
wouldnt call RNG "hard"
calm grail
You know what I do wanna try though because I think thematically it's perfect. void Elf Sub rogue.
Purple race with purple abilities.
humble crane
Feels bad though going from purple/orange mythic parses to green/blue and rare purples as assass doing more dps lol
shrewd oriole
I mean you’re not wrong flowi
viscid helm
if you immune p3 chains, nothing happens in the whole fight
humble crane
Outlaw to assass I mean
valid moss
yo I wonder, if you change to allied race, can you get back to original race version?
calm grail
I'm hoping that with those very slight survivability nerfs next expansion. We'll get more dmg!
valid moss
I think for rogues there is no point to go that other elf if you are blood elf already
shrewd oriole
On top of being a lame fight compared to every single end of raid boss from wod
calm grail
Also detect traps coming back? I wouldn't mind if every dungeon was like CoS.
Make every class shine a bit.
shrewd oriole
I’m going zandalari if they can be rogues
calm grail
Just have to not spam it.
viscid helm
velf
sleek cargo
void elves look cool
calm grail
People who use feint appropriately will be more obvious now.
shrewd oriole
bare chest, muscles showing
valid moss
yea I guess its not that big of a deal
calm grail
Because the ones who spam it won't have it when I need it.
sleek cargo
void elves get a teleport...good for positioning and mobility
valid moss
but you lose 1% crit / 15energy+aoe silence
orchid tendon
@gaunt moat pretty cool poison bomb WA, i like it :>
gaunt moat
Thanks, wasn't made by me though. i just tweaked it a little.
dire spoke
@Tom#6911 and breakdance
orchid tendon
oh
dire spoke
did he mute me? D:
shrewd oriole
Odd
gaunt moat
sometimes tagging is broken
gaunt moat
Are you on mobile Tom?
shrewd oriole
I am
calm grail
Who sits at a desk and uses Discord lol
dire spoke
@shrewd oriole poop
shrewd oriole
Having some sushi with the fam dude poggers
dire spoke
niiice I'm ordering sushi today too
shrewd oriole
Dude
Sushi is my raid day special
I only raid two days so both those days are the holy day of ordering in
Noodles or sushi every time
dire spoke
😂 better than junkfood
shrewd oriole
Fucking British people man
calm grail
I'm realizing now that the majority of the people here probably aren't amerifats like me.
shrewd oriole
So many things imma have to get used to next year
sleek cargo
Australia
calm grail
So what I said probably has no meaning.
calm grail
It's ironic, because I'm probably like one out of five Americans who isn't obese.
shrewd oriole
We have a crippling economy and increasing unemployment haHAA
calm grail
I'm 6 feet 1 inches tall and 170 lbs.
shrewd oriole
That’s pretty average
calm grail
I've no idea what that translates into meters and kilograms
shrewd oriole
Lemme check my weight in freedom units
calm grail
Is body mass index Universal?
calm grail
Not overweight, not underweight, just right.
You have to understand though, as an American that's a pretty big feat
Haha... 😥
shrewd oriole
I’m 5’7 and 154lbs
calm grail
Oh, so you're like 6 inches shorter than me and 16 pounds lighter
calm grail
Okay, because we are almost the same weight.
shrewd oriole
I’ve been trying to gain weight but
calm grail
And you're a eurogay
calm grail
You must hit those carbs a lot
shrewd oriole
Dude I eat 3500 calories a day
calm grail
You know how hard it is to avoid the cheap high energy food here?
shrewd oriole
Takes me a two months to gain a kilo
calm grail
It's like someone slapping you in the face with deliciousness everyday you vehemently avoid
shrewd oriole
Yeah, thankfully Europe has an amazing offer of healthy food
My mom is a health freak too
dire spoke
Fucking ♿ measurements you have
calm grail
We have healthy food here to believe it or not, it's just generally more expensive or takes more time to prepare.
dire spoke
:p
calm grail
Too*
shrewd oriole
Yeah I’ve gone to the states
You had amazing healthy food there
It was just sunk under a sea of crap
calm grail
But every day, I cook 3 4oz breasts for lunch with brown rice and vegetables.
Takes about 20 minutes
About 80 grams of protein for one meal.
👌
shrewd oriole
Feels good
calm grail
Used to strength train, but I kind of want to get back into heavy cardio.
shrewd oriole
I can’t do cardio more than once a week
plain thistle
what are you guys talking about?
calm grail
When you do cardio, you just eat what you want within healthy limits. You don't have to watch the balance of protein versus carbohydrates.
urban storm
the best rogue is a healthy rogue
calm grail
You just run, and make sure you have the energy to sustain it.
shrewd oriole
Used to run daily but it caused me to lose a shit load of weight
Dude the best players are healthy in the mind the body and soul
sleek cargo
i run around dalaran at least 3 times a day....i spring every 43sec of it
calm grail
Yeah, I find that you play better when you are not depressed about your personal life.
sleek cargo
sprint*
shrewd oriole
Trust me, ask any person who plays a competitive game like csgo, Lol etc
calm grail
Bought a couple thousand dollars cycle a few years ago a few months before I started going to lift, so I never used it, going to dust It off and start using it once everything thaws.
Dollar cycle*
calm grail
I know that lifting is good for your joints and bone health, and obviously strength, but humans originally were like these. Sinewy, agile and cardio God's.
shrewd oriole
Up and down up and down
Yeah cuz we had to run from shit
We evolved into chads
Who just curb stomped animals with our thumbs
calm grail
I want to try to exist at a natural human state. Fast, lean etc. Obviously not with that muscle, still going to do minor lifting and body weight stuff to accompany cardio. Also still consume an obscene amount of protein.
I just want to make that shift to cardio
dire spoke
I rather Run to Shit 🤔
shrewd oriole
I feel you Nira
calm grail
Because along the healthy bones, I think a healthy heart is more important for long life.
shrewd oriole
As long as you have a goal it’s good
shrewd oriole
I’m mostly in it for the aesthethic
calm grail
If I join a better Guild, I do so without my friends.
shrewd oriole
I mean depends
You gotta make friends with the people you raid with
That’s the goal
Cuz then it’s fun
calm grail
Yeah true.
tidal meadow
I feel like this is a pm conversation
calm grail
I've always found raiding more satisfying when I'm not resentful about the people that I am raiding with, when I feel like I am raiding with people who actually know their talents and what is in there spell book.
tidal meadow
I've scrolled up to read about assassination and it takes awhile to get away from your talk
calm grail
I'm sorry, did you have a rogue question?
shrewd oriole
Raiding is on topic I guess the health things wasn’t but
tidal meadow
I just want to read about stuff
wise frigate
shrewd oriole
Yeah it helps raiding with good players
wise frigate
This channel is constantly OT till someone asks a question. Then people stop and help, then once they're helped, it's back to OT.
calm grail
Yeah.
onyx rock
^
shrewd oriole
If you put a bunch of people in a room they’ll usually talk
shrewd oriole
There’s only so much you can talk about your class
tidal meadow
Not really but that's okay
calm grail
This is a chat room for Rogues, we don't have to sit here and talk about rogue stuff exclusively. If we did not stop to answer your question, then we would have a problem.
Anything important is in the pins anyhow.
shrewd oriole
But yeah, if your friends are shit
tidal meadow
I'm not trying to be rude thanks for letting me know how this channel is
shrewd oriole
Then raiding is awful
onyx rock
Lets talk about flat earth
sleek cargo
wouldnt you talk about food and gym in the general chat tho?
shrewd oriole
I have shit friends, I just don’t raid with them
calm grail
Nah.
shrewd oriole
Or raid mythic that is
old sphinx
dude, this is #assassination obviously it's gonna be toxic waste in chat all day
what do you expect ?
shrewd oriole
Same for other games, I play ranked with the good friends and play casual with the bad friends
lone junco
@tidal meadow did you have a specific q
dire spoke
u @old sphinx
old sphinx
@dire spoke ❤
still horizon
Salutations
tidal meadow
@lone junco I stay away from asking questions in discord chats most the time because typically it's met with troll behavior and anger. I can find all the answers I usually want from investigating. I simply like reading other people's conversations about classes I play. I'll investigate the theorycrafting channel.
tidal meadow
I apologize for interrupting your fun. 😁
vernal adder
what this channel is never ot
lone junco
You can ping me with anything tbh. The guides are written but people that know the info. And they are mediocre teaching tools.
And I am Ot champ.
tidal meadow
Refreshing to know that people are positive here about helping others ill keep that in mind if I can't figure something out.
calm grail
😀
old sphinx
🤔 AMR investigating ?
dire spoke
YOU ARE MY SLAVES OF KNOWLEDGE
fossil slate
As s general rule, if you ask a pinned question you'll get an answer that's to be expected. But if you ask something that is to start a discussion or delving deeper into things etc, you'll usually find information from these chaps pretty decent
lone junco
Guides are typically bad. And only clear to people that know the answer.
Especially condition info.
vernal adder
just use it on cd
calm grail
@gaunt moat Noobe is calling your guide shit.
fossil slate
Just make sure you're not being a spoon 🥄
gaunt moat
lone junco
Sabers guide was the worst. Notters is better
shrewd oriole
We positive
gaunt moat
*the best
shrewd oriole
Until people ask
vernal adder
da bees
shrewd oriole
Obvious questions that are in the pins
weary gate
🥄
dire spoke
Let's all spoon together 😏
shrewd oriole
Understandably so
vernal adder
small or big?
dire spoke
why not both
vernal adder
yay
gaunt moat
Why are guides typically bad noobe.
lone junco
You have to understand the answer enough to get info from the pins and guide.
gaunt moat
That depands on the guide and its intended demographic.
gaunt moat
that doesn't mean guides are typically bad
lone junco
That's why noobs start at icy veins. There is more detail. But it is typ out of date.
calm grail
Guides are a great place for new people to start. Once you read the guy, then you can dig into more nuanced questions.
Guides*
lone junco
Sure.
gaunt moat
Like, mine is intended for advanced players who are new to rogue.
calm grail
Well that's just it, there really isn't much.
vernal adder
How do I proc pb?
urban storm
you have to use distract on cooldown in order to proc pb more often
calm grail
Or for example, what is technically better with the question that I asked earlier about rupture during kingsbane versus a three-point envenom
shrewd oriole
Every rogue knows that
lone junco
People learn a lot of different ways. Guide might be perfect for some.
gaunt moat
@frigid lagoon there are some minor optimizations, and more in-depth issues that the sin guide doesn't delve into. as it's not the intended role of that guide imo.
lone junco
The one thing that got me good at sub was not the guide. It was a timeline clip view of an opener.
lone junco
And after that it was a timeline clip of the cd usage. Alignment of dance and symbol and dfa. And the zero damage between them.
shrewd oriole
Wonder what happened to him
vernal adder
he went outlaw
gaunt moat
You see, now that's what i mean by it being intended for advanced players. i kinda expact players to do that.
but i also wrote some openers that are generally good, in case they don't.
calm grail
You know what just recently occurred to me that is stressing me out needlessly. Redoing my weak auras next expansion for new abilities or Buffs and debuffs.
You better make some hot new ones Notter.
dire spoke
I miss Rylix too
shrewd oriole
He was the best rogue streamer
lone junco
Generally good is a good target. Cause as an unpaid guide writer I would not want to argue with nerds about the opener.
gaunt moat
I'll be updaing my WAs
shrewd oriole
All the current rogue streamers are lame
But tbh idk if I’d like a rogue streamer
Dr j is so cringe
lone junco
Your guide is good. I just don't like people that present calculus to simple questions. I'm probably guilty of that often.
gaunt moat
in guides?
vernal adder
GO MAKE SOME
urban storm
coffee still sucks
lone junco
That's fine.
vernal adder
need to brew some more myself
dire spoke
Hello I'm new to Warlock where do I find Arms midfight opener. And do I prepot on wipe?
calm grail
What the fuck?
lone junco
As a 20iq engineer. I like the log graphs. Word openers were a mumble jumble. I was trying to just mash in sequence. Instead of learn why the rotation is that way.
urban storm
20iq
lone junco
I wipe after the pot.
calm grail
I like the new vendetta before everything shit.
lone junco
I've done it a few times. Can't tell the diff. And it forces me to put tb Kb in the first shoulder.
Sometimes that first 4 sec go by really quickly.
vernal adder
you need to poison knife from stealth
dire spoke
Don't forget cheap shot after vanish
calm grail
Opener doesn't matter anyhow. You want that 🔥 opener you better 🙏 to the 
god.
vernal adder
it
lone junco
I think I'm a shoulder bracer mptb now.
calm grail
Yeah it's pretty good.
Bleed is for hipsters pretending to be Druids.
Change that name green.
calm grail
TFW you go so hard on Viziduun the watcher that he Peaces out during your first Garrote.
lone junco
Yeah. Quality Cd alignment with that guy
calm grail
I think Upper Kara last boss might be one of my favorite Dungeon bosses.
Inquisitior boss in VoTW. Fuck him.
shrewd oriole
For sure
urban storm
i always manage to randomly die on vizaduum
calm grail
Annoying as shit.
urban storm
prob cuz im terrible
lone junco
I prefer exang rotation. But the rng with shoulder bombs is too good.
shrewd oriole
Crit
lone junco
My guild is traumatized by tyrannical viz.
gaunt moat
@lone junco the reason for not using an image for openers in a guide, is because it's a lot easier to quickly edit the opener when they're just words/color, instead of having to find a picture/ upload it, fit it etc.
fossil slate
I actually started playing bleed today
lone junco
29 184
fossil slate
Feels fun
shrewd oriole
I like bleed
lone junco
I kept 3vend at a small loss.
lone junco
Bota fishing was what makes it awesome.
calm grail
Off-topic friends, but I hope that blizzard isn't making an all-in-one app with the companion and auction house that is finally updated.
Is*
lone junco
Going into bracer at the vanish I will swipe up to like 3 times to get one.
calm grail
To go look at my stats, but for some reason the mobile API shows them wrong.
dire spoke
raiding from mobile POGCHAMP
calm grail
Went to go*
drowsy island
@shrewd oriole do you envenom sub 30 or rupture i was geting mix answers last night
urban storm
im no longer at 2 haste
cuz my nontier cloak is >>>> my nontier gloves
by like 30k sim dps or something
shrewd oriole
With bracers?
urban storm
yeah shoulder bracers
urban storm
oh lol
drowsy island
yea with bracers
shrewd oriole
I’m at 2.4% haste 27 crit 210% mastery 14%
lone junco
I typed out a long answer re rupture env
shrewd oriole
Dropped some mastery cuz I got coven gloves
vernal adder
stat stick?
shrewd oriole
No stat stick, dogs and pantheon
lone junco
With math. Then deleted it. Cause it was feelycraft
shrewd oriole
I’m pretty sure you rupture sub 30 as long as the boss is gonna outlive your rupture but I’m really not the right person to ask assa Q’s
urban storm
SSF leads to some crazy openeer dps
shrewd oriole
Yeah man, ssf concordance vendetta vanish poison bomb, Hello
I’ve had 6-7M openers easy
drowsy island
last night i got mix answers some sayin envenom others sayin ruptures im starting to think it doesnt matter rip
shrewd oriole
Check logs
lone junco
Since your ns rupture is longer than the vendetta. It loses its buff
shrewd oriole
Pick a few good logs
lone junco
Exang ruptures can be up to 27M
shrewd oriole
And check what they do
urban storm
so that was 10k agility on most openers
flat crater
Anyone hvae a good pack for raiding addons for rogues?
lone junco
They fit in concordance and bota and vendetta. So the 50% bonus is bigger there.
lone junco
As you shorten it. And take out half the vendetta. And only partial conc. And ... the bonus to env is likely stronger.
It's not a simple grey dagger test.
But can you believe that shit. 27m ruptures. Shit is bonkers to me.
calm grail
My Mastery went down from like 216 percent to 190, but my versatility went from like 6% to 16% somewhere along the way, so it's still all 👌
lone junco
11k agility from conc fits nicely.
urban storm
on M?
calm grail
Sometimes I wish I didn't take a cheat death so I could use elusiveness
vernal adder
but then you need to press a button
atleast you can take 1 scythe from Harbaron with cheat death lul
lone junco
That scythe is my least favorite boss mech.
fossil slate
I hate that boss in general
vernal adder
Hyrja dmg is nuts on tyrr also
vernal adder
Hymdall
lone junco
Phone takes 12 attempts to type something.
vernal adder
Hyrja is the bubble and dodge swirly shit
calm grail
Harboron is a bitch yeah. On paper he's easy, but I find that when you start dodging stuff looking at adds, it's easy to forget about the scythe for a Split Second.
I think the last boss is fine though.
vernal adder
you need prydaz for Hyrja on high +
lone junco
I get declined for 17 upper. But 15 upper I'm top damage at 2.2m
I guess I don't care for higher keys. But it would be nice to do some. I just wind up in shut pigs that need a carry.
Shit pugs.
vernal adder
did a +19 upper today, was at like 4 in the morning
fossil slate
I just don't pug m+ these days
lone junco
I actually had to do a 12. The dk did 350k
fossil slate
Fuuuuuck that for a laugh
vernal adder
I still havent done seat on + since it came out
urban storm
i did it once, with some ppls alts from the guild
calm grail
I have a group of friends that I run with, we haven't done anything too fancy, but the highest we have done was a 21 Halls of Valor in time.
fossil slate
Seat isn't that hard
calm grail
I think my Windwalker friend did a 22 in time, but he is a Windwalker so...
urban storm
it isnt, just more annoying than most
calm grail
Doesn't matter what I do, I can't AoE like him
urban storm
like ppl have a bad memory of cathedral too, but that one is more than fine now
vernal adder
cath is fine yeah
urban storm
after the 3 rounds of nerfs
lone junco
Prob just a gear diff between mythic raiders doing m+ and heroics.
vernal adder
I just get annoyed doing seat
calm grail
There isn't a single dungeon that is doable, people just are scared of them because of Hyperbole and don't bother learning what the mobs can do or the bosses.
shrewd oriole
To do high keys you just need a good group playing together with good comm
calm grail
That isn't*
shrewd oriole
It’s sorta like heroic vs mythic
A 19 in a pug is sometimes harder to me than a 25 with guildies lol
ashen fossil
where's the pin about 2set/4set, I forget which 2 set t20 I should be getting 😦
shrewd oriole
Because some people are just so bad and communicate so poorly
vernal adder
shoulders and hands
vernal adder
^
ashen fossil
thanks @vernal adder
merry elbow
pugs are not bad at all with right people
lone junco
I still haven't been beat overall in a while. Would be glad to.
Tied with a monk. But I squeaked him out.
Granted there isn't trash in upper.
merry elbow
well, upper is probably the best dungeon for sin
vernal adder
ye
quick ice
Which is nice, because it had some of our best loot.
vernal adder
relic,trinket and ?
vernal adder
just do a 3 man rogue dps +. 1 sin, 1outlaw,1sub
gilded lark
Why punish yourself by bringing outlaw
lone junco
I beat a dfa outlaw once that was like 15livl over me.
How odd.
He did well enough at times.
ashen fossil
odd question; on Kingaroth would it be better to go shoulder/boots, instead of shoulder/wrist? Cuz I think that would make me able to do one vendetta for each phase, right?
gilded lark
Yes
severe iron
dire spoke
sup
signal oxide
You still don’t vendetta on pull though right?
dire spoke
who is Stjern 😏
dire spoke
👺 that spoon
drowsy island
70percentile warlock beat 100percent sin rogue this game makes me sad
elder marsh
what you wanna know @robust wasp
drowsy island
how do i check people cast in logs
plain thistle
casts > timeline
plain oxide
yes
drowsy island
@plain thistle it works but not showing vanish on timeline
dire spoke
🤔 that was weird
merry elbow
Should i avoid 2xMA? someone told me that cd for vendetta will be fucked up?
tidal meadow
I thought 3 was great
crystal fox
couple of upper karas done,not a trinket in sight
dire spoke
didn't you loot a 945
crystal fox
me? hell naw
dire spoke
Oh
tidal meadow
Without boots I should only aim for 2 MA? But what about when you're supposed to switch legos for different bosses? It looks like some bosses are better for boots/ mantle and some boots/ wrist?
dire spoke
@tidal meadow no you misread that
tidal meadow
stern post then poof "vanish"
crystal fox
just got into a +13 upper kara, 3 rogues, i wonder why
dire spoke
shroud to end boss
tidal meadow
@dire spoke okay seems I'm pretty good at that
@dire spoke so 3 MA is good
I guess it just comes down to me simming
dire spoke
Yes, but don't fixate on MA rather pick MAlch ... 2MA ist shite If you are NOT running Boots (hehe)
tidal meadow
@dire spoke understood
dire spoke
with boots 2MA is not punishing
viscid helm
its never "punishing"
dire spoke
well
dire spoke
how is it never punishing ?
dire spoke
I always forget to mention mantle fml
I'm sorry
ofc mantle is the "problem", but ur right
and yes it comes down to simming nlc
viscid helm
if you play mantle
tidal meadow
Ya I have mantle
viscid helm
i feel bad for you
tidal meadow
I haven't obtained bracers or boots yet
merry elbow
mantle + bracers is top build anyway
tidal meadow
Last 3 legos are those and prydaz
viscid helm
nop
merry elbow
you are right, thats why top sim is mantle + bracers
tidal meadow
Is this where you mention 2pc 20/ 4pc 21 and bracers/ boots?
viscid helm
you sure seem to be
merry elbow
and still bracers + shoulders are better
viscid helm
🤷
rotund pier
just because wcl has everyone using mantle/bracers, doesn't mean it's top simming for evryone
mine is insig/boots, its all about the offpieces
gilded lark
Top sim on the website is boots+bracer
merry elbow
that means its simming the highest for most of them
viscid helm
no it doesnt
rotund pier
not really
some combos perform better in real life as opposed to sims
or if u can perform better with a combo vs another one simming higher but u not doing as well with it, then use the lower simming but better performing etc
gilded lark
The first mantle sim is 34k behind boot bracer
merry elbow
then you are doing something wrong lol
viscid helm
no you are just autistic
rotund pier
lol no
gilded lark
Head, boot, insig, and bracer all beat it.
rotund pier
yes Flowi he is
viscid helm
🤷
viscid helm
no
gilded lark
Just check the website
merry elbow
mr 19 grey log
rotund pier
Boot/Ring 2123
Boot/Shoulder 2116
Head/Boot 2115
Boot/Bracer 2114
Head/Ring 2112
Helm/Shoulder 2112
Bracer/Shoulder 2108
Ring/Bracer 2107
Ring/Shoulder 2106
Helm/Bracer 2100
those are my sims from last night
gilded lark
And flowi is 11/11m you fuckin idiot
gaunt moat
@merry elbow 👁
rotund pier
shoulder/bracer is 7/10 for sims
gaunt moat
!mute @gilded lark
chrome tuskBOT
@gilded lark is now 🙊here!
dire spoke
🤔
tribal shuttle
whats a good % of mastery ?
bright mantle
SIM AND PRACTICE UR CHARACTER TOO SEE WHATS BEST FOR U END OF STORY!! N YES I LOVE CAPS
viscid helm
there is no %
tribal shuttle
i have 200 %
wise frigate
Wouldn't be Sin chat without Broad getting muted.
plain oxide
whats the haste cap? @fiery flower
plain thistle
😛
bright mantle
over 9000 for haste cap
gaunt moat
!mute @viscid helm
chrome tuskBOT
@viscid helm is now 🙊here!
gaunt moat
!mute @merry elbow
chrome tuskBOT
@merry elbow is now 🙊here!
plain oxide
why am I not muted im trolling
vapid moth
What's going on lol
spice surge
@gaunt moat I agree, slay the spire is pretty 🔥 think I saw you talking about it the other day
gaunt moat
they released ascention mode this week
spice surge
I read you need to defeat all Bosses to unlock it, but I just always get time eater
lone junco
Nice convo going on I see.
bright mantle
for all who say mantle bracers is best....it sims almost 2% lower then mantle helm for me
spice surge
Never Lucky I guess
lone junco
Want to know why shoulder is good, look at the min, max and avg.
The shoulder max is like 2.9m.
With an avg at 1.9
dire spoke
APL not using cheap shot yet
lone junco
It amplifies the rng.
vapid moth
Bam what ilvl are your bracers and shoulders
vapid moth
Oh then your helm
lone junco
I keed. Exang is less reliant on pb.
bright mantle
i use mantle n helm leggos
dire spoke
helm is lego
vapid moth
But If you don't have a good helm to use bracers mantle with how can you expect it to be higher
dire spoke
🤔
silent linden
is poison or bleed build better for dungeons
bright mantle
for me mantle helm is best
lone junco
Poison with shoulders is best for m+
vapid moth
Why do you think bleed would be better for dungeons
silent linden
im new to rogues and got no clue what do build
lone junco
I like it for tyrannical
plain oxide
"If I die I go tank"
What is this stjern guy wtf
how can u make him behave or something
vapid moth
What?
nova burrow
stjern told me to kill himself, i just thought you should know what kind of person moderates your community.
vapid moth
Moderators are orange
dire spoke
LUL
serene elbow
yellow is outlaw
vestal wren
you can assigne those colors yourself in #bot-spam
vapid moth
Yeah my bad
dire spoke
good one
vapid moth
Tried to edit it before anyone saw lol
vapid moth
Tf is a despof
vestal wren
green is tc/sc dev
vapid moth
There are 2 greens
dire spoke
Or you just read the titles in member list
vestal wren
oh 3 greens^^
plain oxide
do I have a colour now
vestal wren
poison is also green
crystal fox
blue is when you pop vanish to cheap shot a boss @midnight latch
vapid moth
Ew more yellow
dire spoke
NotLikeThis
vestal wren
poison or bleed
plain oxide
whats wrong with yellow
vapid moth
Yellow is outlaw yuck
plain oxide
but im not outlaw I just wanted a pretty colour
lone junco
Yellow is for people that like to press more buttons than output damage.
plain oxide
I'm a DK, I just come in here to make fun of stjern sorry 🙆
vestal wren
you mean play snd?
dire spoke
Noobe is mainly bugged, but we don't want to delete him
strange python
how much iterations do you peeps run for sims, also fight length
plain thistle
0,05% target error , 5 min fights
lone junco
100k 5 min. Raidbots stops at 0.05%
strange python
tyty
dire spoke
ye for stats tho. I like the lightmovement 420s for dps output tbh
lone junco
I thought 1min hecticaddcleave was clever for m+
strange python
I sim for 25 minute fights.
hollow escarp
that juicy Mastery 😄
strange python
How long it takes for my guild to kill shit.
drowsy island
do you guys use bracers or boots for mythic+ keys
strange python
i try to swap between different legos, ie cloak
drowsy island
NA not using cloak for mythic+ as sin sounds awful XP
weary gate
dont use cloak for m+
gaunt moat
!unmute @merry elbow
weary gate
bracers and shoulders are the best
gilded lark
Alright guys where were we
lone junco
@drowsy island shoulder bracer is fine for most all conditions. Except for helya and odyn.
Odyn gets shoulder belt. Helya shoulder boot.
gilded lark
I mean maybe cloak on the very first pull of the dungeon, or do stacks reset when the key is put in?
Can't remember, I've never used it lol
Past that yeah, shoulder/bracer except for the 2 bosses noobe listed
lone junco
It was good for sub. But all trash packs have execute. And shoulder.
Sub cloak is like 3M per mob.
gilded lark
Ns+shoulders+fok tickles a bit too
Which is why I'd only use it very first pull, then swap it for bracer. Depends on the dungeon
But if starting the keystone resets stacks to 0, might as well put cloak in the bank
strange python
i used cloak for the ver first pull on a m+, didnt swap back to it. tho i wasnt sure if the stacks reset when the key is started
torn token
Stacks dont reset at start
wanton talon
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
lone junco
AP investment is the major reason I don't play sub in m+. I'm not farming that bullshit any more.
drowsy island
belt on odin? i never thought of that .-.
vapid moth
Yeah noobe it doesn't take so much time
I currently need to farm 4x the AP to get from 78 to 79 than what it took to get from 74 to 75
My sub weapon is 72 without active farming.
lavish mason
noob question what is the best relic trait?
zealous dew
!relics
chrome tuskBOT
List of relics for each spec: http://tc.ravenholdt.net/
gray_hounds relic sheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vmVwWWnNhrbzi0S_qK6emjFquyUexbTmOEov7vkRjjg/edit#gid=0
lavish mason
ty
lone junco
There are a few good ones.
onyx rock
Hate me 😋
zealous dew
ring of collapsing 😄
cerulean aspen
no bracers..
onyx rock
so ?
zealous dew
seeping 😄
lavish mason
calling people idiots is a sure way of making them hate you :d
lavish mason
but you just wrote "hate me" 😒
zealous dew
i so missed this channel today
lone junco
985 neck is good neck.
gaunt moat
Bracers are not end-all be-all.
if you've got a good bracer it could sim better than legendary
weak isle
gaunt moat
and a lot of haste... so trash.
untold oxide
what lege is better for Kingaroth boots or wrists?
lone junco
I find that 3vendet plus boots fits a vendetta on all phases. Might vary with raid ps.
So I do wrist boots.
Opener vendetta is back up at like 70% of first add then back up for each after that.
hidden citrus
:'(
lone junco
I don't think torment scales well in Timewalk. My hpal was beating some dps. With torment as top dmg.
I finally gave in and installed the crucible helper. Not mad tbh.
Mostly for the 2nd row. Cause I cba to figure that shit out on 20 relics in a row.
onyx falcon
im just scrolling up and i just see the bunny unmute 3 of you for some reason
strange python
@lone junco do you vendetta on boss in between adds aswell then?
lone junco
For me. I vendet at open with 3ma and boots. And the 2nd is back at add1 at like 70%. Then again on boss. And hold like 10sec for add 2. Repeat.
onyx falcon
dat bleed strat
lone junco
Add one is less imp. Because dh and arcane are so strong there. Then limp later.
strange python
I have to hold vendetta for like 40-45 seconds before second add spawns
lone junco
Eww
strange python
yep
boots might be able to make up for it so i can use it both on boss and ad
but didnt test yet
strange python
ye
lone junco
not necessarily exang only. you could have vendet tb kb at all those points.
but the 3ma boot makes it work
strange python
yep timed
strange python
bleed is so much fun 😄
lone junco
I like bota fishing more than expected.
clever cipher
what exactly changed that makes sin top now
strange python
top?
lone junco
mut crit buff was nice.
clever cipher
heroic antorus sims on warcraftlogs
fiery cave
So is subtlety still too rogue dps? Or have we caught up
gilded lark
We surpassed sub early in the tier
gilded lark
75th, kingaroth
In any case, there's a new issue with simc, new bug in the game, or new meta each week
onyx falcon
Noobe wasnt it a Mut DMG buff not a Mut CRIT buff?
strange python
rank 97 sin rogue on kinga mythic using cinadaria/shoulders
gilded lark
So sims aren't the most reliable source to gauge our dps
lone junco
it was both.
gilded lark
Yeah that's add paderino
lone junco
mut damage and the crit % from the relic
@strange python her is the chicken dinner for mythic kingo. just vanish timing at each add.
strange python
aye vanish lines up perfectly with every add
lone junco
14M env is pretty nice there
lone junco
6M kb tick
strange python
that's sick
strange python
the dmg on add only?
strange python
also the trait ^
it got a flat attack damage buff AND the trait crit% got doubled
onyx falcon
yea, was just confused about the way noobe phrased it
strange python
yep
lone junco
w/e
zealous dew
8% less dmg from PK in M+
lone junco
I guess.
I guess im glad I was rogue overall. Keep thinking about other classes, and we did pretty good in legion.
Mostly just RTB fails, pre LD, and shitty sin cleave pre Pbomb on rupture.
wooden hemlock
when you go shoulder wrist and no CoF how long is it worth delaying vendetta to line up vanish?
onyx falcon
Ive been same noobe, did a 20 DHT the other day had a 4% overall PB =.=
wooden hemlock
just wondering some rough estimates
lone junco
Is DH shoulder getting a talent?
hushed lion
anyone got the spellid for envenom buff for me?
lone junco
@wooden hemlock use vendetta as it comes up. Hold the vanish for it. But if there is a mechanic like evoc or kingo adds. Use your brain.
@hushed lion wow head dot com.
wooden hemlock
Aight ty Noobe
lone junco
If it is Varith. Hold vanish. If it is a dps window. Have them both ready.
Not very helpful.
strange python
You do realize you can make screenshots on your PC, right?
onyx falcon
look, you dont judge noobe, noobe does what noobe wants 😃
manic vigil
jovial kite
candid yew
un lky
onyx falcon
M/H/N?
strange python
L
lone junco
I only have 1 working monitor now.
strange python
xD
candid yew
i feel so gimped after the dp nerf
onyx falcon
what happened to your other one noobe
candid yew
revert* i should say
lone junco
so im using onboard.
potoato settings are fine. just hate the 1monitor part
@civic palm on a scale of blah to yay. how good is feral as a whole? I might be druid next tier
not just dps. but the whole thing.
onyx falcon
=[ poor 🥔
strange python
with shoulders/boots do you have enough time to fit in a kb before vend is up again or should you just hold it
lone junco
yah. pc stats are fine. but the r9 270 radeon is a paper weight
@Rmd#1595 . . wut condition? and no dont hold kb.
it has a reset mechanic that you need to utilize
strange python
any rogue povs from argus from people who frequent this community?
onyx falcon
@ noobe, time to get a GTX 1080TI 😄
strange python
yeah i was just hitting the dummy and when kb was up again vend had like ~23 sec on cd so didnt know if i should hold kb or not
gaunt moat
i'm running wow at 4k on 980ti
but i really want a new card
just waiting for next generation, cause i can't run other games at 4k
gilded lark
970 with 6 year old mb/processor/ram does me just fine for wow, pubg, etc
Solid state helps
valid moss
WoW is all about that cpu
onyx falcon
nah noobe need that sweet 10 graphics setting
valid moss
why rip Intel? higher clock speeds > cores in woW
calm grail
🤔
onyx falcon
i use a intel i7-7700 sooo its fine for me 😃
calm grail
The game is processor bound, everyone's processors were marginally gimped. I was being dramatic.
calm grail
calm grail
I know, I was making a tongue-in-cheek joke.,
I apologize, I'll be really specific when I'm being sarcastic next time.
People were losing their minds a couple weeks ago on some other discords.
tacit ferry
head asplode
gilded lark
Oh so nothing major