assassination

[balmy condor]

that's insane

[buoyant herald]

yeah

well 285 with voidcore

[little tulip]

i got pi today

[balmy condor]

private investigator?

what else could that possibly stand for

[spice surge]

Pirate investigator

[late veldt]

Panic-induced Incompetence?

[ancient ingot]

guys should i wait untill my KB give me cp or better press anybuilder and envenom?

[balmy condor]

it takes a full gcd for kb to give you your cp

you aren't waiting for anything

the next gcd is always envenom

[nova aspen]

they should give all wowhead guide writers their own title in game

whispyr, guide writer

that way people can ask u questions in game too

[dire flume]

get enough io and people wil just randomnly dm you walking about town

[coral ibex]

[hard mason]

Been asked a fair bit how good "insert my spec here" is so often in pugs. (mostly because i always tend to play the off meta specs, most the time unintentionally)

[inner glade]

Ey, the new Spore Ring from the new raid in 0.7.

Will it be any good for Sin? Nature damage from poison proccing the ring dot?

[normal mist]

Doubt it will be anything special but only Sims will tell

[rich remnant]

Possible to get a “puzzle box hater” tag?

Miserable trinket

[robust inlet]

it's glorious

[shy heron]

It gets decently regular use in the sub channel

[runic hinge]

@keen spruce made that in df I remember like it was yesterday

[storm forum]

I miss shmeeps

[hollow escarp]

I hate gaze more than puzzle box

[normal mist]

But gaze just exists

Like 99% of the other trinkets

[hollow escarp]

Not for me

[normal mist]

Guaranteed loot after what, 4 weeks of bad luck

[hollow escarp]

I'll probably start bonus rolling it next week

On hc, unless I decide to join a prog pug

[coral ibex]

whats wrong with gaze

its a passive

oh i see

rip

[runic hinge]

Same

[safe barn]

Guys, just a few questions:

1. Does it matter to imp garrote before or after DM? Just to understand the better use of vanishes
2. Kingsbane should be held after what duration? Sometimes between packs i have kingsbane and 35~40s of dm in cd. what to do then?
3. How is pooling working now? Should I be paying attention to spatter or envenom buff? of Apex? I saw the FAQ but it does not mention any pooling. In longer fights I feel that I starve energy more

[carmine seal]

thoughts on using this for MH? its a Survival hunter trick. not sure how it compares to the flat stats

[balmy condor]

It’s around 0.4% for every spec/class that can proc it, very similar to the npx ring set and alleria neck

[balmy condor]

Yep it’s like 0.7% dps

[storm forum]

ideally imp gar before DM
personally I send KB whenever and only hold if DM is has less than like 20 seconds left on CD and the pack will live for it (very rarely)
pooling just kind of happens naturally when playing around apex.

[balmy condor]

1. No
2. Way too situational to give any rules, in general your kb doesn’t do damage without dm, and dm doesn’t do damage without kb. Make sure you have kb for every dm you will cast
3. You go to 80 stacks on the apex if you can, you drop envenom, repeat. No other pooling or energy management at any other point in time during the rotation

[safe barn]

Oh, I was playing wrong then. I was dropping envenom only when energy was needed. I see now that I need to drop it more often, just careful to not overcap.

[safe barn]

So, there is no Hold KB if <30s rule or something, got it.

[balmy condor]

Yeah it depends way too much on what’s happening in the dungeon

Sometimes you would want to hold kb, sometimes dm

[mortal basin]

Do you puzzlebox into Reck Pot or Reck pot for crit then Puzzle?

[coral ibex]

we dont reck pot

[balmy condor]

Yeh preferably the answer would be neither

[frosty cedar]

@balmy condor how is lura going we started it last night

[balmy condor]

Getting regular p2 pulls

It’s way better than bird

[frosty cedar]

its fuckin great so far, fuck bird

our comp is so insanely cooked that I might even be getting PI in p3

the forbidden tech

[sharp viper]

what the

[frosty cedar]

well a lot of people looked at the ulria sheet for PI assigns which is a bit cooked becuase he sends it at 0/120/240 and assa uses like 9 seconds in, so its not as bad on assa as the sheet makes it seem to be. Im doing assignments for our raid, so im simming all of the targets, and in execute, im the second highest gain so far

only the ele sham has higher gain, and ele sim is fake news most days

[carmine seal]

Im new to Assass. Can someone explain how the apex talent works?

[sharp viper]

!apex

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it without an addon. It can mostly be ignored without losing more than ~0.8%

If you'd like an addon to track implacable, search for Nooka Implacable or use the Curseforge Link

[carmine seal]

so let me know if I understand this correctly from reading stuff and the guide. if I am low on energy I want to let envenom BUFF fall OFF to regain energy?

and another question - in AoE such as M+ do I want to just throw envenoms into 1 target and funnel or spread it to multiple targets

[frosty cedar]

I can help if you don't mind

[carmine seal]

pls

[frosty cedar]

so for the Apex, generally, you want to let it drop off at max stacks - 80 stacks, thats 5 envenoms - if you would othjerwise not overcap energy by waiting

so if waiting will make you overcap energy, you should send another envenom instead, and keep doing so until you can wait and not overcap

does that make sense?

[carmine seal]

yes

[frosty cedar]

in AOE, jsut focus one guy. you will spread bleeds as your builder until all mobs have bleeds, then use fan of knives and envenom just one guy

spatter will spread your envenom damage automatically

[carmine seal]

gotcha

and even though the tracker says it can track our apex, it cannot correct?

[frosty cedar]

I suspect its neutral to ignore the apex during deathmark if you just want to giga spam in any event

[wind totem]

it can its fixed

[frosty cedar]

its fixed now

👍

[carmine seal]

awesome

tysm

appreciate my new rogue friends. minus in arena. fuck yall

[frosty cedar]

love ya

[sharp viper]

it's a bit wonky but overall working sufficiently

[warm vortex]

Checking through old things and i forgot how many shitpost whisypr images i made

[molten flicker]

how much is the oil?

[spice surge]

The 0.7% number is how much it is over using oil

[lilac saffron]

Do you use Crippling Poison for m+ or is it not necessary? I read somewhere that it makes gathering the adds harder

[obtuse ruin]

Ask your tank what he prefers

[jolly isle]

My rotation feels good, but my positioning is poopoo. I'm nearly at the top of 'avoidable damage taken' every dungeon. I'm a new melee player, does anybody have some general melee positioning tips? things you look for when predicting where the tank will move the boss, etc?

[lilac saffron]

hmm alright

[sharp bramble]

any good ideas how to get good parses in mythic voidspire when the adds just explode due to high gearing in groups?

did a really good parse on vanguard and the dragons (saw that people play sudden demise) but on chimaerus for example i just cant keep up with the good parses

[tame flame]

I figured it's better to spam fok + evenom than to spread bleeds

[sharp bramble]

also tried that but cant come anywhere near the high parses

[tame flame]

with caustic splatter talent ofc

[sharp bramble]

as long as there are some adds i always have at least caustic with me

[tame flame]

I don't parse high as assa I can't answer sorry

[sharp bramble]

no problem mate

[tame flame]

but if you compare with asian parses they do weird sh*t sometimes

so don't mind them

[sharp bramble]

yeah. fuck them 😄

[acoustic roost]

Just go full single target and 100% the boss then sort by boss damage. Ez

[severe meadow]

Go down 3 times, pad, go next

[wispy nymph]

Reck is only for sub.

[lilac saffron]

are there any addons to show for example how many adds do not have the bleeds?

[pure moth]

Oh really. Guess wow head isn't up to date on this

[keen spruce]

[marsh fjord]

No but you can track scent of blood to see how many adds have rupture up to 20 stacks

[strange onyx]

what is scent of blood?

[molten flicker]

it's a talent giving agility per target with rupture

[indigo epoch]

!logreview

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[indigo epoch]

can any strong m+ players review a log for an 18 nexus point? im doing trash tier damage (13th percentile) compare to other players at this key level. would appreciate any tips.

[coral ibex]

send log

[indigo epoch]

sent, ty

[coral ibex]

dont send it to me

lol

put it in this channel

[indigo epoch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a:8r26KCgG3ZnjJzQp?fight=3&type=summary&source=3

[coral ibex]

11 dm's in 28 minutes

you're losing casts

[indigo epoch]

probably holding to long for when i think bosses are coming up, should i just send it and not worry about timing?

[coral ibex]

well you'll have to hold somewhat

but every lost cast is lost damage

[indigo epoch]

oh, yeah that makes it pretty clear

[coral ibex]

the #2 log for 18 npx for assa has 10 casts in 24 minutes

so they also do some holding

[spice surge]

You dont really want to "hold for bosses"

Generally anytime you can get value out of your cds

Send them

(for example dont send if the mobs are gonna die 5 seconds into your DM)

[indigo epoch]

thanks all, appreciate the help.

[rose pilot]

Hey guys just wanted to discuss the assassin rotation priorities! Havnt touched the spec in 5 years

[normal mist]

Probably check wowhead first then

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[hazy sundial]

If i do heroic dreamrift on my alt, can i still do mythic in the same week on that character?

[upbeat sail]

ye

[rose pilot]

Someone tried tellin me as night elf you can not meld to gain stealth and use bigger garrrote … this true? In keys?

[spice surge]

You can, its just sketch and doesnt always work

But also its not a big deal

[storm forum]

You can meld for restealths in non-boss/non-gauntlet trash

but yeah it doesn't always work

sometimes it needs half a second to actually drop combat

[balmy condor]

And sometimes it just doesn’t work at all!

[storm forum]

sometimes it drops instantly but something randomly puts you into combat and you miss the window to stealth

and yeah sometimes it doesnt work at all

I do think that for some reason it is easier this season than last expac

I think I currently have like an 85% restealth rate on meld

[runic hinge]

Yeah it’s been pretty good this season. Wonder if they tweaked it at all or it’s just luck or something with a lower amount of casts

[storm forum]

my current theory is that 1. less true sight mobs, 2. yeah what you said, less casters/snipers, 3. more humanoids with small hit boxes.

[obsidian kettle]

Me when I don’t work at all

[balmy condor]

It pronouns, very based

[obsidian kettle]

Hi whispyr

[balmy condor]

Hello nintern

[late eagle]

Slice and dice is not used in assassination rotation correct? I assume so since guides dont mention it but wanted a sanity test.

[balmy condor]

What brings you to my accursed lands

[balmy condor]

It’s applied passively through envenom

[late eagle]

Thank you

[obsidian kettle]

Just meandering

Rox sent me one of your thumbnails for inspiration for my videos

[balmy condor]

POV I ran into you at the store with my friend ering

[obsidian kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/ai-pigeon-benjammins-bird-bird-doctor-doc-gif-8027616496935101488

[balmy condor]

Which one

Is it the bad bad bad bad bad bad bad

[obsidian kettle]

BAD! BAD!

Yeah

[balmy condor]

Yeah he enjoys that one

[obsidian kettle]

I need to upload more consistently

Oh well

How’s assassination

[balmy condor]

It’s like devourer except we run out of steam after our ramp and we don’t have a raid buff and we don’t bring darkness and we’re melee and we have less aoe damage and we’re worse single target and we have less mobility and we can’t get into pugs and we can’t get a guild to trial us and we’re all homoerotic

[obsidian kettle]

Are you worse st than us?

Like pure st?

Surely not

[thorn thorn]

four

[obsidian kettle]

Four

I should pay whispyr to make my thumbnails

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr is a grandmaster shitposter

[royal lantern]

the last part is very big

[balmy condor]

Idk probably not but it fit the rant

[balmy condor]

Deal

[obsidian kettle]

Whispyr hear me out

What if instead of ads on WoWHead

It was just nintern video embeds

https://tenor.com/view/musculos-gif-20787192

[royal lantern]

do they show us making out?

[obsidian kettle]

Damn he wasn’t lying about the homoerotic

[royal lantern]

[thorn thorn]

Najimu said im a toxic yuri

[balmy condor]

Idk about that

It’s less toxic yuri more just tsundere that’s also an airhead and only gets flustered when he gets corrected about something that’s common knowledge

[thorn thorn]

I dont get flustered

@obsidian kettle How do you melt chocolate

Like if you were given a chocolate bar and told to melt it what do

[obsidian kettle]

Microwave

I don’t own one tho

So probably double broiler temper

Why

[thorn thorn]

you dont own a microwave?

[obsidian kettle]

No

My place didn’t come with one

And I don’t see a need to buy one

[thorn thorn]

#assassination message

[obsidian kettle]

I love gelato

[thorn thorn]

Read more

[obsidian kettle]

Oh…

[balmy condor]

See rox why can’t you be more like nintern

[thorn thorn]

Because nintern is smarter than me

[obsidian kettle]

Pin that

[balmy condor]

You’re setting the bar very low

[balmy condor]

Also what do you mean oh

[thorn thorn]

I didnt say he was dumb

[balmy condor]

As if I said something bad

[thorn thorn]

I just said he was smarter than me

[obsidian kettle]

You didn’t

[balmy condor]

I know

I only post peak

[balmy condor]

So is the majority of the animals on earth

[balmy condor]

But out of all of gods creations

You decided to compare yourself to a goat

[obsidian kettle]

Whispyr will you be my 200th subscriber

I’ll beg

[balmy condor]

I was subscriber like 70

[obsidian kettle]

Holy shit

[thorn thorn]

Who else am I gonna compare myself to

[obsidian kettle]

My goat

[balmy condor]

How can I be both

[balmy condor]

Maybe like a sea urchin?

[thorn thorn]

I think I have more survival instincts than a sea urchin

[balmy condor]

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[thorn thorn]

If you pick me up I will do something that isnt nothing

So thats one over them

[old halo]

Thanks Whispyr and team, I was able to get all AOTC's and 3K io with using your information. Appreciate my Roguies

[balmy condor]

[obsidian kettle]

No problem

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Thanks nintern

[haughty flicker]

Np

[balmy condor]

You’re always supporting me under the desk

[obsidian kettle]

Hey rogue is like my most played class

[balmy condor]

Appreciate you king

[old halo]

guild hit the roster boss before mythic so sadge

[haughty flicker]

Our rogue just quit come join us

Ez

[obsidian kettle]

One door closes

Another opens

[thorn thorn]

actually?

i knew you were based

[obsidian kettle]

Think so

Probably dh by now

[thorn thorn]

(rogue is my second least played)

[obsidian kettle]

But I played rogue for like 6 years or something

[balmy condor]

My most played class is probably math

[thorn thorn]

Daylea wants me to play assa

But im afraid of disappointing whispyr

[obsidian kettle]

I never played assa though lol

[thorn thorn]

More than I already do

[balmy condor]

But like maybe music > math?

[obsidian kettle]

I loved history

[balmy condor]

Does marching band count as a class

In that case music fucking clears

[obsidian kettle]

Yeah

I have an English degree so probably that

[thorn thorn]

I failed history

[honest comet]

I'm creeping up the IO score slowly but slowly. Hitting 3500 soon 🙂

[obsidian kettle]

W

[balmy condor]

You have an English degree? Pronounce every word

[obsidian kettle]

I think I put that I had an English degree on my WoWHead application like it fucking mattered lmfao

[honest comet]

Pugging sure is interesting as a rogue...

[balmy condor]

You would be surprised

[obsidian kettle]

A e I o u

Y

[thorn thorn]

I would take you over some of the writers lowkirkenuinely

[haughty flicker]

You're doomed

[balmy condor]

I mean English degree probably worth more than a fucking paleontologist let’s be real

[iron thorn]

What’s xyz in English? What do you mean you don’t know I thought you study that shit?

[haughty flicker]

Unlucky

[thorn thorn]

Spent too much time being a dumbass

[iron thorn]

Shots fired @ voodoosaurus

[obsidian kettle]

Voodoo is Poggers

Unc

[thorn thorn]

Voodoo is retired

My goat is washed

[balmy condor]

He is but he also licks rocks or whatever

[obsidian kettle]

His guide is very good

[balmy condor]

Idk what he does

Beetles?

Dinosaurs?

Who cares

[obsidian kettle]

Amphibians

[thorn thorn]

Beetles is my thing

I have beetles now too

[balmy condor]

Gesundheit

[haughty flicker]

Name every beetle

[obsidian kettle]

I will say

I’d love to write about how dogshit the Devourer talent tree is lmfao

[thorn thorn]

I have this one

[balmy condor]

You and every one of my class writers

[obsidian kettle]

Subscribe to my substack

[obsidian kettle]

Voodoo probably just wants to write about frogs or smth

[runic hinge]

Damn, you quit?

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sanae-kochiya-touhou-frogs-miracles-emotional-gif-2880155193418112042

[obsidian kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1435678417214505020/1506864545724109011/4fpq6k2.gif

[haughty flicker]

That one's definitely george

[thorn thorn]

Porom apparently has an article in the works about "Why does arcane suck?"

[obsidian kettle]

Yeah porom tweets are very uh

[haughty flicker]

I wish

[obsidian kettle]

Passionate

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9qx5f3k.gif

[iron thorn]

Let’s just make it a “why the midnight class pruning was a mistake” one

[obsidian kettle]

I mean even discarding pruning, a lot of the spec trees are just really bad

[iron thorn]

Indeed

[obsidian kettle]

Like Void-Scarred for Devourer is eternally 10-15% behind because it just doesn’t have enough points

[thorn thorn]

Im ok with most of it tbh

There are a lot of losers though

Assa was a winner

I think like

4 specs in the entire game actually are winning in terms of how they feel post pruning

[iron thorn]

I miss the vanish spamming outlaw

I miss my omega burst sectechs

I miss AR Havoc

[thorn thorn]

current havoc is bis

[iron thorn]

Idk

Might just be that I haven’t played it with proper stats

But I feel like it all feels less fun since it doesn’t play AR anymore

[thorn thorn]

The dh specs in general in my experience are heavily reliant on stats

[obsidian kettle]

Idk why but I just have negative interest in it

[thorn thorn]

I like it

Press meta do big boom

[obsidian kettle]

Devourer is arguably the most secondary reliant spec in the game

[iron thorn]

Having too much fun with Vengeance right now to even think about collecting gear for havoc

[obsidian kettle]

And the hardest to play optimally 😎

[thorn thorn]

I got laughed at for my trinkets

[obsidian kettle]

Yeah

[iron thorn]

Originally I wanted to play Dev on my dh

But I just noped out really quickly

Because I just did negative dmg

[thorn thorn]

I was gonna play devo but some twist of fate made me play enh instead

Massive mistake

If you ignore the few things enhance does really well it actually fucking sucks

[iron thorn]

Enhance was my first idea for an alt

But I’m happy I ditched it quickly and instead played Aug for a bit

That spec is insane fun

[thorn thorn]

As long as you are ok competing with fury warriors for last in pure ST

[thorn thorn]

having fun as aug?

Do you have your paw socks and tail yet

Optionally cat ears

[iron thorn]

Nah but I got the pink striped thigh highs

Hope that’s fine too

[thorn thorn]

good enough

[iron thorn]

Haven’t done a key as aug in like 3 weeks or so tho

Played my rogue some more because assa = fun and outlaw too

[thorn thorn]

Im playing devo and found out im actually goated at doing bad on that spec

[iron thorn]

We also finally found a healer to play with regularly and now our uh friend will level an arms

So phys comp is on the table

With me on either assa or outlul, idk which I prefer for keys yet tho

[thorn thorn]

Full physc comp
Look inside
Assa rogue

[iron thorn]

I mean we’re playing bear mw surv arms and me

So it’s probably outlaw?

[royal lantern]

we lost half our healing roster

our main mage stopped playing mage

and he was one of the rare GOOD mages

[thorn thorn]

We used to have 4 hpriests are our comp

But now its just 1

[royal lantern]

we actually lost the disc priest

cus midnight disc is just another reactive healer now

which is kinda dumb

[iron thorn]

I swore to myself that I will NOT return to healing at all after I heard of the pruning

Like I was a MW main

But I‘d rather play rogue than even current omega fotm MW

[thorn thorn]

dont worry mw didnt change much, you still spin perma

except now you literally spin perma and do nothing else

95% of your hps in aoe

[iron thorn]

That’s the thing, you didn’t spin before

[royal lantern]

the only healer we have that is kinda happy is the presvoker

but ONLY in raids

[thorn thorn]

very cool healer

[royal lantern]

in m+ pres just sucks so hard

its insane lol

[iron thorn]

Key healing was so much more fun in tww

With like crackling and actually doing a proper dps rota

[thorn thorn]

all of the healers got easier except rdruid which actually didnt change for some reason

but now with the pruning its extremely hard to play in M+ properly because you do legit zero healing to people without double rejuv

[royal lantern]

rdruid got worse cus you fight even more with the UI now

[thorn thorn]

ya ignoring that

you had cultivation and springblossoms to keep your mastery value good

but now those are gone, and they buffed the mastery

Gotta keep lifebloom up perma cuz its strong except you also gotta keep rejuvs up otherwise your regrowth is extremely week and you do no healing except you also need regrowth spam because its a strong and cheap spell when ramped properly and the hot is mastery bonus except you also need wildgrowth for extra healing in aoe and dont forget about swiftmend because soul of the forest is now mandatory for the spec to function except oops you gotta spare some globals because as an rdruid people expect you do do good damage as well

Very cool healer

Just play rsham and drop surging totem

Done

[iron thorn]

Or like any clever person

[thorn thorn]

MW

[iron thorn]

Exactly

[thorn thorn]

because MW is mind blowingly easy and has infinite hps

[iron thorn]

And decent damage at the same time

[thorn thorn]

You could hook up a mycelial network to a keyboard and mouse and it could play MW

[iron thorn]

Because you legit just spin

[thorn thorn]

Meanwhile pres exists in M+

Pres and MW are from the same game btw

Ty blizzard

[royal lantern]

i was suprised how the dumbest person in our raid got 3,9k score

then i saw what mw does in keys

and it was like

"yeha.........."

we talk about the mw monk that asked for innervate cus he runs out of mana while never pressing mana tea btw

[thorn thorn]

funny enough it did do that on the beta

During raid testing it was guzzling more mana than arcane does

And even with perfect tea usage it was still ooming before any other healers were

[iron thorn]

Like this was good mw

Not this spin2win bs

[thorn thorn]

funny lightening

[iron thorn]

Instead you pressed tea on CD and used lightning

PEAK

But now Master of Harmony is a) dogwater and b) borderline unplayable because the WA for it doesn’t exist anymore because of some secret value shit

[jaunty sky]

the lightning big dmg was fun yeah

[thorn thorn]

Our monk healed a 15 with an agi staff and agi trinkets and nobody died

[iron thorn]

[thorn thorn]

he ended at like 70k hps

Because tank pulled like a monster and he just pressed sck the entire time

[iron thorn]

I also love how you don’t spec into apex

Because why would the dmg conversion healer use pure healing talents

[thorn thorn]

I think the monks in general are opting out of the apex

[solar wyvern]

@balmy condor

What the

[solar wyvern]

What the FRICK

Its actually ds assa in keys now

Oh god...

The prophecy

[sour oasis]

Ann’´nd

Its up

[iron thorn]

[balmy condor]

Ugly ass dog

I will do math

[heady aspen]

Whelp, time for DS again

[marble wadi]

Can you do faster please i have attention span issues

[balmy condor]

[solar wyvern]

Well since DS assa was fairly close in keys....

I can only imagine

It is quite large

Omg wait

Clear 60%

Fan of knives build !?!?!?!

[candid jasper]

Holy moly!

[nova aspen]

fUnNeL iS bAcK

[thorn thorn]

ugly ass dog

is ds back

dafuq

[buoyant herald]

ugly dog ass

[real solar]

ds baby

[potent oracle]

if tuning changes got released what channel would it be announced in

[real solar]

#wowheadnews

[solar wyvern]

I remember doing sub optimal build DS assa keys on beta and fok being 10% of my overall

This surely is a large buff

[balmy condor]

The worst timeline has returned blizzard no one wants to play this shit hero talent can we make it not feel awful and then buff it?

Numbers incoming soon

[real solar]

PIN

[buoyant herald]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[real solar]

NEW PIN

[fleet whale]

But what if you like big envenoms though

[buoyant herald]

stack more mastery

[storm heron]

why buff this dog shit just delete it

[wind totem]

I hope outlaw is still better in keys. Dont want to play this shit.

[earnest pilot]

whats wrong with ds :< prio dmg is fun

[fleet whale]

But tbh I’ve been playing my havoc dh more these days… not really the biggest DS fan

[spare kayak]

what are those buffs

[spice spire]

[spare kayak]

is it 1st of april or what

[spice spire]

May 22nd actually

[buoyant herald]

catch up mate

you're living in the past

[fleet whale]

Assassin has been slumping on logs the past few weeks… so i guess blizz’s solution was to buff DS?

[spice spire]

Sorry I’m in hell

[hollow river]

It’s just scuffed af

[spare kayak]

but ds feel awful damn it

[solar wyvern]

Im the biggest DS fan its me its me im the biggest DS fan

Cant wait

To fok!!!

[marble wadi]

What about outlaw charr

[spare kayak]

cant wait to press move mark button every 20 seconds on cd

[potent oracle]

i’m new to rogue but it seems that not a single person here is satisfied with the buffs 😭

[iron thorn]

Sounds better and better

But my hands will hate me

[buoyant herald]

man's just out here trying to FOK

[hollow river]

Wasn’t ds already numerically better?

[royal lantern]

what prio dmg

[iron thorn]

85 cpm spec

[royal lantern]

do people still cope on singular focus in 2026? lmao

[solar wyvern]

Still good

But i love ds assa i love it

I cant wait to lose my MARK

Fok fok fok fok fok

Its time to do inifnity damageeee

[strange onyx]

Yo wtf

why have u guys done this

i leave u alone

[marble wadi]

Prio target dying in half of deathmarks uptime

[strange onyx]

and u make this happen @balmy condor answer for your crimes

[iron thorn]

Let the man do math

[strange onyx]

i believe in him

[buoyant herald]

flying daggers finally

[cedar elm]

cant wait to deathstalkers mark again -said nobody ever

thank god for outlaw

[spare kayak]

are we going back to crit mastery instead of haste i wonder

[indigo mulch]

I mean isen't DS really really far behind already, even with these buffs it might not even be worth D:

Having to deal with that stupid mark makes baby jesus cry.

[royal lantern]

yeha but they gave you additional keybind to put the mark on a new enemy

all problems solved

nothing too see there

I SAID ALL PROBLEMS SOLVED

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-no-goofy-ah-schwarzenegger-gif-3232264195128170765

[indigo mulch]

Ah yes, thanks Tryan.

[frosty cedar]

blizzard

why

why have you done this

[red schooner]

the era of sniping is now

[iron thorn]

Backshot outlaw arc incoming

[mighty rapids]

I thought rogue was most fun in nerubar last 2 expansions when ds was top even though it was clunky...never liked fatebound playstyle as much dont shoot me

[royal lantern]

they are literally the same playstyle

wdym

except that deathstalker hardlocks you into 1 target

[indigo mulch]

Get your pitchfork lads, its time to drive this fool out of here

[frosty cedar]

blowing my shit shmoove off right now

[potent oracle]

what does ds mark do

[simple spindle]

pulls dagger-sized pitchfork

[strange onyx]

I was in my peaceful minecraft era

and they bring me out of retirement for this

[tacit nest]

Honestly surprised they didn't bring DS buffs when they added the swap target button

[indigo mulch]

Like every boss in this raid has adds you have to swap to. Even with the new button its going to be meh D:

[marble wadi]

Its a debuff with 3 stacks where 3rd stack blows up with a lot of dmg

And it can disappear making you deal no dmg

[potent oracle]

tf

[indigo mulch]

If every boss was a ST fight then sure but like every boss in this raid currently has tons of target swapping. 😄

And what do i do with all my crit if i have to play DS 🙁

[marble wadi]

Just dont swap let other dps do the mechanics.

[indigo mulch]

[iron thorn]

Get an add on voracious : guys PLEAAASE just grip it to the back I NEED to stay on boss

[frosty cedar]

Crit is op on ds

[solar wyvern]

Just cause DN autocrits does not mean crit is bad

[royal lantern]

wait

[indigo mulch]

[solar wyvern]

That spec NEEDS crits

[royal lantern]

do you guys think that stats are different?

like

guys

please

[frosty cedar]

no?

[royal lantern]

some of you play wow for like 20 years now and still think about secondarys that way in the year of 2026

[solar wyvern]

If anything youll want more haste

Haha

[balmy condor]

less

[light quarry]

I cant WAIT to see these numbers i better be hyped

[solar wyvern]

What?

[balmy condor]

mastery my goat

[simple spindle]

vers>speed=crit>rest prob

[solar wyvern]

Mastery affect ds mark?

Ah it does

Doesnt it

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-no-goofy-ah-schwarzenegger-gif-3232264195128170765

[indigo mulch]

Yeah, thats what i thought as well, its mastery > crit > haste right?

[balmy condor]

ds mark, hunt them down

[solar wyvern]

Mmm yummy

[balmy condor]

hell fucking no

[indigo mulch]

No? :C

[balmy condor]

it's still crit > mast what are we doing

[frosty cedar]

that would be fucking diabolical

[balmy condor]

IF it's crit > mast at all

[indigo mulch]

Bruh

[solar wyvern]

Crit >>>> mast =haste most likely

[balmy condor]

I doubt these buffs can sway secondaries

[plain thistle]

why? we barely have crit on our gear

[solar wyvern]

Instead of crit >>>> haste>=mast

If i had to guess

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[indigo mulch]

I mean easy to swap between sub and Ds then i suppose

😄

[solar wyvern]

Ye forgot plague is part of nature school

[balmy condor]

yeah, identical to how easy it is to swap now

[grave trail]

are we deathstalking now

[balmy condor]

[solemn sandal]

how big are these buffs?

[balmy condor]

can y'all fucking wait

three god damn minutes

[marble wadi]

No

[plain thistle]

[indigo mulch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-so-big-larger

[balmy condor]

jesus fuck

[analog field]

WHISP HOW MUCH BUFF

[grave trail]

[drifting cloud]

[strange onyx]

Whispyr is calculating

Let him cook

[simple spindle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sunnyfication-3

[iron thorn]

You should know the answer by now sweetheart

[marble wadi]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bricks-2--k01KQSNNJ10923DBY6JGZNZ6D2Q

[simple spindle]

whispyr pov

[dire flume]

[royal lantern]

blue post, rogue was mentioned and you didnt activate slowmode, its kinda on you cutie

[rose pilot]

They buffing assassin soon? You guys talk a lot I love it here !

[indigo mulch]

Lmao

[marble wadi]

Ok and why is the question why cant we wait
Why cant you calc faster?????

[storm forum]

I don't wanna play DS.....

[dire flume]

Can you pin it so I can see when I wake up ty

[storm forum]

I don't have the brain cells for this shit

[solar wyvern]

Okay guys i did the math

[marble wadi]

Well its not a must you can still play fb

[frosty cedar]

its like what 2.6-3%?

I dont think it makes it better

[iron thorn]

Also interesting how no void scarred buffs for devourer

[indigo mulch]

6.7%?

[solar wyvern]

10% buff to rupture...
20% fok....

Kappachungus

[marble wadi]

HES A GENIUS

[indigo mulch]

https://klipy.com/gifs/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-1

[light quarry]

Charrend has spoke guys its official we are meta

[balmy condor]

jumpscare

[frosty cedar]

yeah 2.6

im the goat

[solar wyvern]

2.6% big

[balmy condor]

that's a fake number

[solar wyvern]

Fucm

[distant carbon]

2.6% big but lets just pretend it doesnt exist

[indigo mulch]

kekW

[balmy condor]

gotcha bitch

[distant carbon]

oh OKAY

[solar wyvern]

Why bro

[distant carbon]

scammer

[plain thistle]

[versed mica]

L m a o

[light quarry]

[solar wyvern]

U wanted me

[marble wadi]

bruh.

[frosty cedar]

its still bad

thank god

[solar wyvern]

To bekuvee bacnshot

[distant carbon]

dude ur my fav fortnite streamer why do this

[solar wyvern]

Masgggee

[indigo mulch]

QUICK SAVE THE IMAGE AND QUOTE HIM OUT OF CONTEXT

[frosty cedar]

it might be funny mode in sudden demise keys I guess

[strange onyx]

is the bug still in? Where plague damage counts as both nature and bleed damage?

[versed mica]

Should've did 6.7%

Bc 6 7

6 7 guys

[simple spindle]

sd maxxing isnt as fun anymore

[versed mica]

Funi

[marble wadi]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bricks-2--k01KQSNNJ10923DBY6JGZNZ6D2Q

[dire flume]

What about the SD bug tho

[slim lance]

Sub disc already has a number

[light quarry]

Assa buff is 1.1%

[distant carbon]

WOAHHHHHH

huge 1.1%

im just believing anybody atp

[light quarry]

We are back

[distant carbon]

yeah ur def on copium surely

[fallow canopy]

Can't believe DS is 6.7% better than FB now

[dire flume]

"we are back" we never left bwo

[versed mica]

That's probably because the sub version of the buffs are less complex and ds was already "viable" for sub st

[slim lance]

Made that up 100%

[distant carbon]

top 5 lies of all time

[mighty rapids]

6.9% u mean

[slim lance]

Im fucking around no worries

[indigo mulch]

6.7%

It has to be 6.7%.

[simple spindle]

somewhere from 6.7 to 6.9

[light quarry]

Calculations was wrong its 1.2% buff

[indigo mulch]

Whispyr is typing, lets all hold our breaths.

[frosty cedar]

im telling u its like 2.9%

[drifting plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/lafuddyduddy-drum-duck-cute-drum-roll-please-gif-16950134

[fallow canopy]

That's not a funny number so it can't be

Checkmate

[indigo mulch]

if its 2.9% then i will stay fatebound so i dno't have to deal with the mark.

yay

[lusty kraken]

It’s probably not going to be worth playing over fatebound anyway

[dim yacht]

pls still be shit

i dont wanna play it

[frosty cedar]

it was 2.6% but I didnt do the envenom buff so I just fuckin mental math cooked it and vibed at 2.9

[iron thorn]

Casual 4-5% better in both st and aoe

[frosty cedar]

it is what it is

[light quarry]

[rocky holly]

HOLD

[indigo mulch]

HOLD

[storm heron]

bleed build is coming back 110% for sure

[distant carbon]

HOLD

whispyr is typing

[regal sable]

blizzard ruined maplestory time w deathstalker buffs

[simple spindle]

hate me, but bleed build was kinda fun

[regal sable]

shitaah timeline

[balmy condor]

Deathstalker buffs UPDATED V3

We are maybe safe from having to play Deathstalker. Wowhead talent/rotation page is updated with the info underneath (Updated <t:1780007224:R> )

TLDR Deathstalker is ONLY for prio damage in high m+ keys. It is notably worse in raid. You would not play it for general m+ keys. ONLY for prio.

After some initial testing from people, Deathstalker seems viable for the prio damage but not necessarily required at all. Especially when playing with other funnel classes like Ret Paladin, the increased prio damage seems overkill.

• Deathstalker Mark damage increased by 30%
• Clear the Witnesses buffs fok by 60% instead of 40%
• Hunt them Down increased by 25%
• Corrupt the blood buffs rupture by 20% instead of 10%
• Darkest Night increases envenom damage by 35% instead of 30%

If you're going to play deathstalker, this puts prio damage in aoe on deathstalker at around 17-20% better than fatebound before the patch. If you're pushing in the 20-22 key range, you might want to consider it due to it being ~1% better in 6+ target aoe alongside the prio increase.

Deathstalker min-maxing
NEW TECH shoutout @vital flicker

• Without Blindside in a mythic+ build, you would want to use fan of knives as your main generator in single target, only using mutilate when you have 3 stacks of Unshakeable Drive active in order to buff it. This is roughly 1% dps gain in ST with the patch

Old Tech Reminders

• If you're in 3 or less targets, are talented into toxic stiletto on the class tree, and have darkest night active, you want to shiv at 6cp to get to 7cp
• Always force darkest night envenoms to 7cp
• You should keybind the new mark-moving ability. This can be used to quickly snipe a dying target to get a darkest night instantly. The impact of this is not in sims and the damage gain varies wildly based on the situation you are and your ability to execute this optimization. I do not recommend it, it is very difficult, but now you have the knowledge.

[mighty rapids]

Bleed was goated

[hollow river]

Thank fucking god

[regal sable]

yippee

[distant carbon]

as expected

blizz ai vibe coding buffs

noted 🗒️

[indigo mulch]

Lmao

[split veldt]

brothers, i pray deathstalker isnt better now

[simple spindle]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pray-feet-1

[indigo mulch]

Its funny that even with those buffs its nowhere near to be enough 😄

[distant carbon]

im sorry di you just

did u

nvm

[wind totem]

https://tenor.com/view/odo-ds9-baseball-safe-gif-21471561

[mighty rapids]

The dooming ends

[solar wyvern]

Its not safe

For me...

[storm forum]

Thank God for raid, but also 1% behind but gets funnel is probably worth in m+ sometimes.....

[solar wyvern]

Yall know im bringing that shit to keys tuesday

[royal lantern]

omg thank you

thats why you are the best

[solar wyvern]

#packwatxh

[gray raven]

we need an entire rework at this point

[royal lantern]

whisp dispelling the deathstalker demons

[storm forum]

Thanks whispur ur goated

[royal lantern]

🙏

[fallow canopy]

Sad DS is still worse

[gray raven]

make deathmark a 90 sec CD and totally start over

[royal lantern]

and it should stay that way until they actually fucking fix that tree

[solar wyvern]

Nice pin buddy but im gonna parse 10000 on tuesday

[indigo mulch]

Agreed.

[dim yacht]

its funny how they buff our hero talents and we all pray its not a big buff lmao

[marble wadi]

Assa bleed build on AA maybe

[solar wyvern]

Fuck no

[marble wadi]

Lasher dead in 3 seconds

[dim yacht]

seems like we all just collectively hate deathstalker, fuck that shit

[light quarry]

ST poison bomb everywhere >>>>>

[split veldt]

i would love a bleed build again, that was fun as hell

[royal lantern]

its really high quality and fun to play around, thats why everyone is happy when the even more passive option is the better one

[digital raft]

Its funny to look at Rogue "buffs" and go "oh god please no"

[solar wyvern]

Just you fuckers wait till i bring in cursed DN mark movement into funnel and do 150k st

Ds will be back

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-laugh-crazy-car-gif-22580177

[simple spindle]

firs pull aa, mark one lasher, pull cds on another, ez 2 lashers dead in 5 seconds. use this is you next 20

[thorn thorn]

[hollow escarp]

we might need to do some content on deathstalker so they see people swapped to it and not nerf fatebound

[radiant sorrel]

Praise be the first line saved my sanity

[royal lantern]

meanwhile sub

"lets get 1150 haste for deathstalker, its 6% ahead in ST now"

[low yew]

wonder why they did this

[light quarry]

To buff the dmg of it

[royal lantern]

god i feel so sorry for sub guys sometimes

[iron thorn]

Because it’s far behind and nobody plays it

[river vapor]

I’m why do people hate deathstalker

[potent oracle]

i’m confused you need a new key bind for ds mark?

[royal lantern]

you are hardlocked into 1 target, and managing the mark is clunky as hell

while still being boring passive gameplay

worst of both worlds

[twilit lagoon]

That's a great way to put it

[river vapor]

I remember in TWW being annoyed at having to vanish to switch targets in a raid lol. I thought they made it easier but haven’t played it

[radiant sorrel]

Basically switch all gear kekw

[silk gull]

so. deathstalker has potency to be better than fatebound?

[jaunty sky]

yeah for 2 weeks and then they nerf it again

[radiant sorrel]

I aint swapping 100%

fuck the 6%

And it is basically for like 3 bosses

[lethal arrow]

deathstalker will be good when the raid isnt fking hectic add cleave

every boss

[coral ibex]

oh thank god this change means ds is still worse

i was gonna be so mad if it was like 2% better

[jaunty sky]

i think in March it might be far enough ahead now

but no shot I'm getting there

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/zelda-good-gif-12770262

[radiant sorrel]

Actually mby yes for the bird

Welp fuck it. They just have to make the fucking talent to be passive

[glacial relic]

Back to being the prio kings eh

[radiant sorrel]

I cba dealing with target swapping

[lavish hazel]

ok i guess its time to comeback there

[solemn sandal]

isnt it kinda crazy that they buff it by "alot" and its still worse than most classes

[lavish hazel]

hum

in key?

[glacial relic]

Let me go DS so I can overkill my dm kb target by 6seconds now by myself

[radiant sorrel]

It is just raid design

[glacial relic]

😂 😂

[barren zealot]

I’m confused, zerocool says deathstalker is going to do 7-8 % more in m+ than fatebound, after buffs, yet sims from whiysper show that it’s 2 % worse in m+

[hazy sundial]

Question, does shadowmeld give me extra imp garrote?

[primal parrot]

DID SOMEBODY SAY DEATHSTALKER BUFFS

[spare kayak]

safe from playing DS ✅

[lavish hazel]

zerocool is saying that cigarette is good for life

[royal lantern]

some guy sees numbers and pulls their own numbers out of their butt

more news at 8

[lavish hazel]

i mean

its a serious question

how can he certifies this

did he sim smthing ? in aoe situation? in single target ? raid build ? aoe build ? 10 targets ? cleave ? funnel ?

[grave trail]

he ran the sims Kappa

[royal lantern]

you mean like it is rn

cus adds just like

explode

[lavish hazel]

i mean

idn

idk

if you play with like

ret

you just add main target

two mains targets

[royal lantern]

in most fights you can basically go full ST and thats kinda it, stuff just dies

[lavish hazel]

two big guys dying

[royal lantern]

i love everyone having passive cleave

and low hp adds

[lavish hazel]

ye i mean we dc

[royal lantern]

and +300 ilvl increases over the patches

and +15% raid dmg buff

[lavish hazel]

its not useful

to kill adds

in this raid

just kill boss

execute it

and gl

[lament bolt]

I'm glad I just now saw that Wowhead article, and only panicked about maybe having to play DS as long as it took to check the pins. Those of you who were sweating it before Whispyr ran the numbers have my sympathy

[deep latch]

AA, take mastery or vers

already at crit soft cap

[solid hemlock]

idm playing DS for like AA or Caverns

[spice surge]

Well "crit soft cap" doesnt exist

[solid hemlock]

will test it

[high sundial]

I mean.. What about of clowns the guys deciding stuff on rogues are

[spice surge]

But you should generally be taking vers on pretty much all characters in academy

[spice surge]

That has literally nothing to do with the academy buffs

And its mostly irrelevant anyway

[lament bolt]

Aren't like all the other stats a rating buff, while vers is a % buff and that's why it's generally taken by everyone?

[spice surge]

All of them are %

[earnest imp]

does deathstalker kinda look good in m+ now

[spice surge]

But 1% of vers requires more rating than 1% of crit

So its generally about the same dps to grab vers as it is to grab anything else

But vers is also 1.5% reduced damage taken

So why not

[pure bridge]

Hmmm, DS numbers are overall lower, but the 30% prio damage is not nothing. Will have to test it in specific dungos.

[earnest imp]

Yeah, that 30% sounds like a lot in many places, like AA ie

[spice surge]

Idk most meta specs already have good prio, youll be having the big mob die way before the small mobs most of the time

At which point the prio is kinda pointless

[earnest imp]

thats true also

[royal lantern]

like idk

yeha sure people can start screaming "its not HIGH keys"

but when i do a +19 and a big enemy still sometimes dies before my deathmark runs out

going for "prio dmg" feels a bit overkill

[earnest imp]

ye havoc kinda looking to get similiar treatment

[pure bridge]

Maybe we kill the "other" big enemy lol.

[earnest imp]

xd

[latent kernel]

Wouldn’t you have to like insanely stack one stat to even reach one of these breakpoints anyways

[ebon steppe]

In my mind

prio dmg in this season

even with fatebound that we are playing rn

is quite enough

every fucking time the primary target dies first

maybe that's because my team has a dk in it

but yea

[upbeat sail]

how does ds fare in terms of energy regen

[buoyant herald]

unfortunately for assass that other "big prio" specs don't all lose the damage when it dies

[upbeat sail]

or is it pretty same

[keen raven]

21 MT brrr

[rose pilot]

So at start of a key , on first pull what part of rotation is vanish used ?

[lavish hazel]

w take

[solar gate]

Hey, got a maybe-stupid question. With the AOE opener, why do we garrote twice instead of doing garrote fan rupture and then refreshing improved garrote towards the end of the 6 second window?

[lavish hazel]

@spice surge is it bleed build time with singular focus

[spice surge]

Unfortunately i dont think its time yet, the corrupt the blood buff is kinda minor and you still need waste a point going through amp poison to get the +20% rupture talent for some reason

One day though, when whispyr leasts expects it, will return

[lavish hazel]

its crazy to drop dtb and still take amp poison

[buoyant herald]

i mean it still works

[spice surge]

Well if youre not taking the envenom talents like RI deadly is better

But yeah its dumb that you have to take it to get the bleed damage

[lavish hazel]

hmm

wht do you mean

oh ok

go it

is it a play in keys like pit or smthing

[spice surge]

I dont think its gonna be better than the regular build, but i do love big demises

[buoyant herald]

it's a low key build sudden demise

[lavish hazel]

i mean

is demise worth in 22

probably not

maybe in seat?

[solar wyvern]

Definitely not

[buoyant herald]

demise is good when packs are dying before your first round of bleeds are over

[lavish hazel]

10% isnt

compared to envenom nodes if you dont take amp?

maybe this idk

[solar wyvern]

Oh u mean if ur not playing amp period

[lavish hazel]

yes

you take amp in talent cuz you have to but ignore it and go deadly

[solar wyvern]

Yeye

[spice surge]

I mean if youre not playing dtb i think you should get demise

But i think dtb is just too stronk

[lavish hazel]

i think 10% bleed with deathstalker

[solar wyvern]

I didnt realize u were still talking bleed and not in general

[lavish hazel]

i mean

the reflexion is

we have a insane amont of prio

but if we go deathstalker do we go with less single and more bleed

and singular focus goes brr

[sharp stump]

I think there’s nothing wrong with this, that’s what I normally do, I guess it’s just easier to remember to press it twice rather than maybe getting stitched up by mechanics or forgetting the second application? Happy to be corrected though

[solar wyvern]

And singular target goes blehhh

[lavish hazel]

blehh or brrr

this is the quesiton

[sharp stump]

Cause yeah in theory that’s more empowered garrotte damage by a couple seconds, probably minor stuff though

[solar wyvern]

Im not at pc but sim a patchwerk 3min

Curious

Just how far behind it is

[lavish hazel]

im a golem for sims

[solar wyvern]

Kekw

[lavish hazel]

idk how to sim for next reset

i mean

ok

ill do a crash test

i send nxp 21 now

with this build

and we will see

[solar wyvern]

Based

[latent kernel]

God bro please don’t make me play deathstalker 🙏

Please kill that hero talent with fire

20% aura nerf

[royal lantern]

check pins

you are save

unless you wanna play sub

then you are cursed

[spice surge]

I mean nothing changed

[lavish hazel]

ok two first pack broken build

(horrible)

[royal lantern]

man, people will see the "+6% in ST" and play it, lets be real there

[spice surge]

Its just a placebo buff

It was 5% ahead already

[bright turret]

all it changes is people that already want to play it might be more tempted

[royal lantern]

yeha but the thing with placebo is that they often work

[solid hemlock]

@lavish hazel thx for your service x) show boss dmg later

prob cooked

[lavish hazel]

im cooking for you my prince

[solid hemlock]

hahaha

[lavish hazel]

BRO

WHY THE BAR ARE SHOWING

FORM NOWHERE

[solar wyvern]

Ctrl v

?

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-pray-guy-praying-OmqRHI3lSX7jR97WjZ

[lavish hazel]

IT COMES BACK

ALONE

HOLY SHIT

[radiant aspen]

tell me we dont play deathstalker

[solid hemlock]

pins exist

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pointer-sisters-igEyVRVCh0KqUdJ3AW

[lavish hazel]

@solid hemlock

if i send stream

can you help me

[solid hemlock]

send

yes

[lavish hazel]

go

[buoyant herald]

Death stalker did this

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

952587837558128701

[severe meadow]

952587837558128701

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-cats-mambo-yz8VBfcvHuUBTvt9Wu

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jjk-itadori-yuji-ltXRHWVSNDKNP63uNF

its joke

i promise

[severe meadow]

Fair

https://tenor.com/view/kdrama-handshake-shaking-hands-gif-26102712

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pet-boykisser-gif-2445408533974923033

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/goku-vegeta-dragonball-o7PX1pWVblbtWn85qh

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/boy-kiss-er-gif-8460759050764009590

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-cry-kitten-BeA1B4ANqpoMFiVh2Z

[thorn thorn]

I know what you are

[radiant aspen]

me when people play ds

[radiant aspen]

what

tell me

https://tenor.com/view/cat-headbutt-gif-7697173630730518716