assassination

[latent kernel]

Copy

[spare kayak]

do u have any logs to share?

[low silo]

every guide saying ds is the high key play, nobody actually using it

[spare kayak]

just killed crown of the cosmos mythic as sub cause they made me switch and i was looking forward to going back assa for lura

[plain thistle]

unfortunately my guild does private logs =/

[spare kayak]

damn

which build are you playing there

[plain thistle]

our best try was this, can do more for sure

[plain thistle]

almost the same build that we use on crown, a single target build with caustic + poison bomb

[worn geyser]

you can also run no pb

[plain thistle]

yeah, was thinking about that, tried a few talents last night

[worn geyser]

i didnt like pb at all when trying it, relying on the perfect proc chances for it to cleave crystals just sucks

[fallow canopy]

yea

[plain thistle]

maybe -pb and 2/2 fatal concotion

[fallow canopy]

just full st minus imp poison + caustic

[worn geyser]

thats what i was running it was aight, but our best pull is like 4 people living into p2 atm and most of my pulls are b4 i had gaze so i felt useless tbh, need the p3/4 spike

its def playable tho

[brisk jolt]

!macros

[plain thistle]

I'm curious about our p3 damage, if its going to be better or worse than subs

[vapid gorge]

should i use haste flasks if im at 37% crit baseline?

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-pray-guy-praying-OmqRHI3lSX7jR97WjZ

pls blizz buff assa

i dont want to play crackhead spec

plss

[radiant aspen]

sim

[plain thistle]

but probaly not, 37% is kinda low no?

[hazy sundial]

I don’t want buffs. I am perfectly content

[spare kayak]

sub does more st than assa in general

but im also curious

[true tusk]

not really, if you see in overall most of high players are around 38% crit without buffs

for M+

[plain thistle]

i was checking a few logs and comparing with ele shaman casts, 2 min cds its basically 2x p1, 1x p2 and only 1x p3 (with lust)

and the last burst p4

[true tusk]

you need a little bit more, but isnt huge diff

[plain thistle]

sub can get 2 burst in p3 i think, probably will do more damage

[fallow canopy]

Most logs on sub only do 1 set of cds on p3

And then on the hidden phase

[plain thistle]

you're right, they have the cd, at the very end, probably just isnt needed anymore

[spare kayak]

sub is so boring

[jaunty chasm]

What are the Stat weights for assassin Is it still Crit/haste then mastery?

[spare kayak]

generally, ye, but sim yourself

[spare kayak]

how long is p3

[jaunty chasm]

Thanks!

[plain thistle]

2:40 ish

[spare kayak]

i would rather play assa on lura tbh

[balmy condor]

Then play assa

[spare kayak]

my guild wants data 😄

its gonna be ff sub angle

[plain thistle]

[storm forum]

Can't wait for race to world last to have the first assa public logs for Lura

[buoyant herald]

Can the data be “I’m bad at sub and will perform worse even if logs suggest it’s better”? (Even if that’s not true)

[storm forum]

Back in castle nathria assa needed a 15% buff for my purple assa parses to beat my gray sub parses. We are not that far apart rn. I'm currently a big fan of telling raid leads to shove it and let us play what we're comfy with

[balmy condor]

I’m playing assa on Lura

[storm forum]

Damn I can't believe whispyr's guild private logs now

Grats on ur rank 1 parse though

[radiant aspen]

welp i aint playing spec for crackheads

im rerroling

its official

https://giphy.com/gifs/baby-bye-slide-m9eG1qVjvN56H0MXt8

[balmy condor]

I’m not on the boss yet, bird dies tonight

[junior olive]

With an ele sham and monk and some of these mobs die quick..am i losing dps if i spread bleeds before popping major CDs?

or can i spread bleeds after trinket and deathmark..then pop kingsbane

[balmy condor]

I mean if you’re playing high enough keys to where your prio target survives your kingsbane

Then you should spread beforehand for scent

Then cds

Otherwise your cds are your cds and delaying them would be….. unwise

[junior olive]

ok ty

[lime edge]

ok im ready for reset

[balmy condor]

And I’m ready for the tier to be over

[lime edge]

oh ive been ready for that

[fleet whale]

You guys are gonna have to wait till like august for that

[balmy condor]

Not if I kill Lura before that buddy

[lime edge]

once all my gearing is basically done i lose 90% of my motivation to play

[royal hazel]

Paladins down! Time for cosmos!

[fleet whale]

oh i thought you meant like the new raid tier lol

[lime edge]

and its been basically done for a while

[royal hazel]

Tank killed bellamy after we all died lol

[balmy condor]

I barely want to play midnight as is, you’re telling me there’s a new tier on the way? We have to do all this shit again?

[royal hazel]

And hopefully i dont get forced off assa for cosmos or lua

[drifting cloud]

[spice surge]

Sporeboi coming out soonish!

[fleet whale]

yeah it's gonna be a troll raid

[spice surge]

But thats probably gonna be a pushover id assume

[upbeat sail]

watch it be next uunat

[spice surge]

Dont imagine they would want that type of boss to be hard

[fleet whale]

and yeah there is that single boss raid coming up

but I never see those as a new tier

[mortal crag]

It drops warbound gear right

[ancient verge]

not anymore I believe

[spice surge]

Maybe, maybe not, who knows

We'll have to see

[balmy condor]

Midnight just feels like a low effort dragonflight 3.0

The gearing and the systems still suck so bad

They basically copy pasted the same profession system a third time

The class changes are nice and the specs are fun but I feel no reason to log in ever

[fleet whale]

I really dislike the new damage meter

but that's an ice cold take

[mortal crag]

I’m enjoying this m+ rotation

[balmy condor]

yeah "ui bad" could unite nations

[fleet whale]

and i'm not a person who ever really went heavy on addons to begin with

[balmy condor]

I enjoyed the m+ rotation for about a month but much like every other season I find myself just not interested in running the same dungeon for the 700th time after a while

[fleet whale]

hopefully assasssin gets a better set bonus

[balmy condor]

it won't

tier sets at this point are just fancy mastery%

which ability are they buffing by 30% next tier

find out in july

when there's another set of 9 raid bosses

and no gear changes

and all the ilvl goes up

[fleet whale]

I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with the apex's

[balmy condor]

and there's 4 dungeons from the prehistoric era + 4 dungeons from the expansion

the same thing every season has been for 5 years

[fleet whale]

And don't forget the stat squish were gonna get in the next pre-patch because blizz can't help themselves with exponential power gains

Rag in the orginal Molten Core is gonna do like 1-3 damage soon

[hazy sundial]

I love assassination so much its insane

[spice surge]

Pit of saron

[balmy condor]

it's really funny how they keep trying to increase the gain you get from ilvl and gear and it keeps growing faster and faster

but then they make gearing piss fucking boring and lower the barrier of entry

so everyone just sits at the same ilvl anyway

crest capped

waiting for the next week for the cap to increase

actually insane design

[fleet whale]

You can get full heroic geared with a few Myth items by doing nothing but delves. Don't have to do a single dungeon or raid

[balmy condor]

make +10's equal to like +6 from previous seasons

-> give myth gear from it

[drifting cloud]

even worse, your alts are now stronger than your main for a few weeks after you get myth achiev

[spice surge]

Or dont have alts

[balmy condor]

don't get me started on those achievements

[spice surge]

And be down -4 ilvls

For fun

[balmy condor]

who came up with that

[mortal crag]

I kinda like it tbh

[frail bramble]

Hello rogues

Is there a way to see what uve used bonus rolls on

[fleet whale]

I feel like putting an obvious, even if not super significant at the end of the day, handicap on players that just like playing one toon isn't great design tbh

[balmy condor]

when you hover the bonus roll interface after a key/boss it'll give you the list of valid items

[balmy condor]

I don't mind alts being easier to gear, crests are aids for it

but the fact that you just make an alt

to eat the crests

and get the achieve

so you can get 4-5 ilvl on main for free

[mortal crag]

I use an add on called keystoneloot which keeps track of it

[balmy condor]

is just so delusional

[mortal crag]

Idk if it would retroactively do it

[frail bramble]

do u think it will auto update?

or just be fresh since i havent used it before

[mortal crag]

I’m not sure sorry

[frail bramble]

alright nws ty

i can get 285 myth achi on reset if i dont get trolled with a roll

but i cant remember how many rolls ive done on a dung

[balmy condor]

and then you can put crests into your REAL character

[frail bramble]

exactly

(my havoc)

[spice surge]

Lost ark type shit

[frail bramble]

my poor devourer is gonna be left behind bless him

[balmy condor]

idk, the entire gear/crest system is just

[mortal crag]

Oh you could just do that huh

[balmy condor]

7 loose ideas

[mortal crag]

I didn’t do that on my main

[balmy condor]

crammed into a box

well that's the neat part

you don't need to

[mortal crag]

Woops

[balmy condor]

just make a new character

make it an earthern, level to 90 in <3 hours

[mortal crag]

Feel like I’m not behind

[frail bramble]

the way alts are actually encouraged this expac is weird

[balmy condor]

race change

then get crests

and you catapult past your main

[frail bramble]

my alt will be way higher than main

[balmy condor]

it makes so much sense! wow!

[frail bramble]

after reset

[mortal crag]

Eh

[frail bramble]

ye its the dumbest shit

[spice surge]

Tbf thats most of blizzards systems. A couple of really solid ideas that get glued together in a way that they kinda shouldnt be

[balmy condor]

it's like they don't talk to each other when designing systems

[mortal crag]

Think I’m like 283

[frail bramble]

my main is gonna be 285, and my alt is 280 with 500 myth crests unused

💀

[spice surge]

No time to talk, already 2 deadlines late

[lime edge]

why isnt the myth crest achievement maxed out mythic level

[frail bramble]

was the same last season no?

[coral ibex]

because you never get there with crafted pieces

[mortal crag]

I’m just missing a trinket I think

[coral ibex]

pretty simple

[frail bramble]

just get funneled both myth track trinkets like me ✌️

[hazy sundial]

I am starved of myth crests

[fallow canopy]

they didn't want to do the turbo boost system/event again so they overcooked an alternative

[spice surge]

Like the bonus rolls are genuinely a very good system, i think its way better than the dinars

But they released it too early on in the season, so most people just sit with a bunch of myth track items that they cant even upgrade now because theyve run out of crests

[mortal crag]

Yea I defo have a few at like 2/6

Crafting defo eats them too

[spice surge]

And i personally think the threshold for the myth track items from keys should be higher, like atleast 12s

[drifting cloud]

watch out you need to do like 80k dps to time those

Might be too much of an ask

[storm forum]

I should speedrun gearing my druid

How fast do you think I can get her to 280?

[mortal crag]

They just caught a nerf

Can only have fun on guardian for 1 day

[spice surge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[drifting cloud]

same day you get myth achiev

you can also do 10s on it at 230

[latent kernel]

im getting like extreme void fatigue im ngl, between last tier and this tier

its getting exhausting

everything is purple

[mortal crag]

Idk if that’s going away anytime soon

[storm forum]

I just saw the latest nerf and it's barely a nerf

Thrash DoT value and frenzied healing unchanged

They're still gonna be payphone

[mortal crag]

Yea still good

[spice surge]

Next raid is probably full troll mode

[mortal crag]

That Apex is such cheeks

[spice surge]

But the raid after that is probably void again

[latent kernel]

i mean the first 4 boss fights in voidspire is literally dodge/soak the purple circle on the purple floor, then kill the purple add, then dodge the purple frontal, and also btw did i mention the boss is literally purple

[wise fiber]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[mortal crag]

The island is gonna be void + trolls though right

[latent kernel]

ah yes and the entire raid trash is just some variation of a void walker

so excited!!!

[fleet whale]

I miss fighting the Burning Legion, at least there was some variety with their species

[hazy sundial]

???

Demons and more demons?

Everything green

[severe meadow]

I’ve been wanting a revamped scarlet crusade timeline

[twin hull]

You get myth crest achievement at 285 ilvl?

[spice surge]

Yes

[twin hull]

What does that do?

[spice surge]

But you only get the discount on items you already have a higher ilvl item on any character on your account

[twin hull]

Can u give an example?

[spice surge]

Upgrades cost 10 instead of 20 IF you have a higher ilvl item

[twin hull]

And this is for alts?

[spice surge]

Character A. Has 289 boots, character B can now upgrade boots for 10 crests instead of 20

[twin hull]

Oh wow.. understood..ty ty

[main bobcat]

isn't that only if you get the achievement?

for alts I mean

[marsh fjord]

yeah

it just cuts cost in half

[main bobcat]

my main is 1 ilvl away from myth achievement it's horror

[marsh fjord]

it isnt item level based

you need 285 in every slot

[main bobcat]

ah yeah true

[marsh fjord]

sorry to break the bubble

lol

[cunning needle]

pretty sure it is ilvl based

but you need higher ilvl in that slot for the crest discount to apply to your other chars

[marsh fjord]

it isnt trust me

[cunning needle]

okay i'll trust you

[marsh fjord]

The achievement won't be applied before you have 285 in every slot

God can strike me down

[drifting cloud]

wrong

[marsh fjord]

he is my witness

[drifting cloud]

youre dead

[cunning needle]

our hunter got the achieve though

and this doesnt look 285

[marsh fjord]

im dead

im so wrong

holy moly

My bad

[drifting cloud]

the achiev just bugs out and you have to relog

[cunning needle]

get absolutely dunked on

[drifting cloud]

sometimes

[marsh fjord]

my bad boys

[mortal crag]

I think the ones before it are

[marsh fjord]

you were correct

[cunning needle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaUa_0qPPgc

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/665286745822330950/1498131305878257814/twitter-gif-2048486970041757796-ezgif.com-optimize.gif

[mortal crag]

Pile you need 275 in every slot

[coral ibex]

get smoked son

[mortal crag]

Just the last one is average

[marsh fjord]

https://giphy.com/gifs/old-linda-feat-de5bARu0SsXiU

[cunning needle]

all other achieves except myth is X ilvl in every slot

[drifting cloud]

yes the myth one was max ilvl in s2 of tww but then blizz realized thats dumb because if you miss 1 item you might just get fucked for a month, so they changed it to avg ilvl

[main bobcat]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-no-text-no-one-no-words-empty-meme-stroke-gif-15599687893969589958

[drifting cloud]

but they should have prob just made it -2 max ilvl instead of 4

[marsh fjord]

Listen the only reason im in this discord is so i can be wrong and you guys can be right

[main bobcat]

I'm not right dw

[cunning needle]

someone has to be the villian in order for others to be the hero

[main bobcat]

I lvled my rogue in the weekend

assassination feels so energy starved

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-fire-casey-frey-thats-hot-thats-lit-smoking-hot-gif-19442664

[main bobcat]

and I understand letting implacable drop is good and I need to time it with rupture refresh probably and shit

but it feels real bad lol

[mortal crag]

I think I’m like one week away from 285

[marsh fjord]

Its actually less energy starved then last season 😄

on ST

[main bobcat]

on st yeah but like outside cds in aoe I run out of energy

never happenned in tww

at least not in s2 when I played it

[marsh fjord]

Maybe misplay? i kinda never run out of energy

[main bobcat]

I could also be just TURBO inting

yeah probably

[marsh fjord]

not that im saying im doing everything perfect but sometimes i'm at 80 stacks and i cant even drop it

because otherwise i overcap energy

[main bobcat]

I need to record a key or 5 and watch back

but idk I'm still gearing

we'll see in a few days

[marsh fjord]

Gear has zero effect on it imo

[main bobcat]

isn't crit pretty sick for dashing scoundrel?

[marsh fjord]

yeah but it's so little

[coral ibex]

not in a way that makes a significant difference in feel

[main bobcat]

but yeah idk if sin won't normally run out of energy when played correctly then I'm just trolling

[marsh fjord]

the onyl real difference is that we can't snipe ruptures anymore for energy and they changed the energy from 8 energy per target to 3

[main bobcat]

skill issue all good I'll pop off soon

[coral ibex]

assa will run out of energy

there's no amount of stats you could actually obtain

you'd need haste amounts that might appear in a few expansion

[marsh fjord]

Just bug bloodlust and dont get the debuff and have 10 shamans casting bl for you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[main bobcat]

I have 3 shamans in my friendlist gg

[coral ibex]

"oops i picked up a seed... dropping it now"

and we're dead

[dry marsh]

when in AoE ive been mainly using ct and then envenom. am I supposed to be mixing in mutilate often in that rotation?

[balmy condor]

never

there's no reason to ever mutilate in aoe

once everything has bleeds in the pack, you would swap to fok

[buoyant herald]

Is there any value in building past 5 for rupture in aoe for internal bleeding scaling/spreading?

[balmy condor]

no

[buoyant herald]

Good

[dry marsh]

do yoiu always open wiht shadow step?

or should i hold onto it

[buoyant herald]

No reason you can’t be close enough to whack a boss on pull

[dry marsh]

copy, thank you

[ebon prism]

From 80-90, does anyone know if sin or sub is better for world content and delves?

[fallow canopy]

Sub is probably better

[ebon prism]

K ty

[buoyant herald]

sub by a mile

dance/sectec pretty much one shots anything

[earnest quiver]

Does anybody know specifically what causes accidental pulls in our kit at the end of MGT on the spiral staircase, and MC in the huts? I fought some mobs in the huts the other day and either spatter or CT is pulling the mobs through the roof. And at the end of MGT if the tank chains the ghosts really hard on spiral staircase it ends up rando pulling the giant elite pack

I cant figure out how to prevent it, i stop attacking and it still is ninja pulling

[solar wyvern]

Are you certain its you, checked event logs?

Next time it happens log it

U can then search damage taken by that pack being pulled and see what tags it first

[spice sentinel]

uh dk and demo lock can cause random pulls

im sure therea re others

[earnest quiver]

not 100% sure, im going off the fact that the mobs start running to us and i start seeing numbers above their head so i know im damaging them, im not CERTAIN im the first to hit tbf so u might be right, gonna have to log, i just was getting tired of warning every tank about it xdd

i do also play with a fair amount of uhdk and demolock and i know the pet pulling is very common, its just i know on first boss of MGT you can hit through the wall with CT/spatter i see the numbers on the wyrms and they retain the damage done to them

if tank pulls golem to wall, so i thought it was something similar, it felt like it at least

[solar wyvern]

Nah afaik spatter doesnt reach those moba at end of key

The 1st boss is like right against the wall

[earnest quiver]

yeah that is true

[solar wyvern]

Spatter isnt very long range

[earnest quiver]

do u know how it works for verticality

cause i couldnt figure out on that hut on the left after maisara first pull

u go right behind the mammoth, and people pull into the hut on the left

we fought inside and i have no idea how anybody would have pulled on the roof but me lmao

i will log but just weird

maybe i can go test on a normal really quick

[elfin flame]

yo why does the sd build listed in the faq channel for assa run ds?

[earnest quiver]

holy shit it was me on maisara

i went in a normal dungeon, its cause i have a bad jumping habit

if you jump and press an aoe skill you pull through the roof

i guess add to the bug list 😔

[loud light]

the faq channel has an SD build listed for both fate and ds

[solar wyvern]

Random assa video dropping bruv?

[balmy condor]

You’re scaring me

[earnest quiver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swj492aInb4

shit quality cause i just uploaded but just showing what i mean and replicating it

[balmy condor]

Yeah that’s caustic Z-axis

[earnest quiver]

yeah thats really annoying

it pulls from 2nd floor downwards too

[elfin flame]

oh i see

i just hadnt scrolled up all the way

[balmy condor]

True

Sudden demise ds is very cursed though

[elfin flame]

i legit was looking at this

[balmy condor]

Generally I’m updating wowhead before the faq fwiw

But those should be fine

[elfin flame]

ok good to know

[coral ibex]

me when i log in to the wiping in p1 factory

[balmy condor]

Me soon king I will join you

We’re only 160 pulls on bird

[golden loom]

wiping in p1 factory (but its alleria)

last raid: 11 wipes p1, 4 wipes in p2 and 11 wipes in p3

[cunning needle]

ngl it's still way more fun than birb

[coral ibex]

i agree

birb wasnt great

better than paladins tho

[golden loom]

paladins better than alleria p1

alleria p2/p3 kinda fun tho

atleast the boss should fall over tomorrow

[coral ibex]

nah unfortunately my #1 opps are my tanks when it comes to boss positioning so fights like paladins where they are constantly aggro swapping and moving them around

im literally in hell

[cunning needle]

this is going to be a shit take, but i "enjoyed" paladins more than i enjoyed birb

[coral ibex]

they never move the same way consistently

every pull is different

[cunning needle]

i'd much rather die to me fucking up and walking into a hammer

[coral ibex]

[cunning needle]

than die because someone didnt soak an orb

[golden loom]

yeah outside of tank movement which I just accepted to be what it is

I like paladins

[cunning needle]

i can accept my own failures

but i cannot accept failures outside of my control

especially when im competing with the 2nd place tank for p1 damage playing goalie

[coral ibex]

i release my anger by watching 1 hour of dashcam videos after raid

to fall asleep

its great i found a playlist of just people in my state

so i recognize half the places in the videos

[main bobcat]

Idk what to watch to fall asleep ngl

Lately everything I try to watch keeps me awake

Also I bought melatonin gummies with like a warning to not use when operating heavy machinery and shit so they seemed legit from a pharmacy, the person there said 1 gummy knocks you tf out I took 2 and I'm the widest of awakes

[fallow canopy]

Just logged out of the p1 factory like an hour ago

I can feel my mental physically weakening

[buoyant herald]

melatonin doesn't knock you out at normal doses

it helps me sleep more soundly with less mini-wakes but it doesn't put me to sleepo

i live in a country where its prescription only and i ran out of my illegal drugs 2 weeks ago

[severe meadow]

same hopefully twin (but Wednesday)

perhaps Thursday

[golden loom]

that is tomorrow

[main bobcat]

Maybe I should also take up illegal drugs

[rugged basalt]

gm

I’ve spent more time creating an ms character than doing my keys this week

[ancient ingot]

Guys can I ask why on wowhead in m+ cheat death ?

[night cipher]

so it looks like we make no mistakes 🙂

[ancient ingot]

But with cheat death u literally naked , no?

[night cipher]

I'm sure you can tweak that to your own liking. And same case for 1-2 other talent points

[rugged basalt]

I procced it four times in a key and ended up having no deaths

You can swap it

[runic hinge]

If you’re doing like 14 and under cheat is completely fine and the guide is targeted at the largest audience possible. Most people don’t do higher keys than weekly’s

[shy creek]

btw this never ends

have fun

lmao

[golden loom]

ye we are 100 pulls deep

but its dead any pull

[quiet oar]

Im so happy, we didnt have Problems in P1

we killed alleria in 57 Pulls

[golden loom]

its just the most random deaths of all time in p1 i swear

[quiet oar]

I think Alleria is a healer Diff

If your Healers are good, you can progress so fast

[junior goblet]

is assassin the go to spec for raid and M+ now?

[golden loom]

you can play all 3 specs just fine

[balmy condor]

@coral ibex

[quiet oar]

102K

[rugged basalt]

gulp

[balmy condor]

fuckass ebon might only doing 37 damage is the reason we wiped fr

[analog field]

just crit envenom bro

[quiet oar]

Aug Players are not real

[granite totem]

Question completely new to assassination rogue are we meant to cast ambush when we get the proc ?

[golden loom]

yes, when you have the blindside (free ambush) proc it completely replaces mutilate, even if you type /cast mutilate it will cast ambush

so you dont need an extra bind or anything, but yep u use the proc

[granite totem]

Oh it auto does it ok that makes sense i was wondering why we took that talent and didn’t cast it thx so much

[primal oasis]

How much dps do you lose when not being able to re-stealth in m+? Tanked a key with an assa friend of mine but did a lot of chain-pulling and he said this totally ruined his damage. I remember this not being that big of a deal in the past just a minor dmg loss. Did restealthing become more important with the current iteration of assa?

[golden loom]

its wayyyy less impactful in midnight

good chain pulling is good

[primal oasis]

I might have griefed a bit by chainpulling with mobs at half hp but I guess it's fine then when done properly?

[golden loom]

yeah I mean in general, complaining about re-stealths is just coping

[primal oasis]

Figured, but just wanted to be sure

Ty

[analog field]

If you chain at 50% is really good. If you pull 2 mobs at 3% it is a bit of damage wasted and probably you should wait 5 sec.

[golden loom]

but if 2 mobs are at 3% the rogue can also just legit stand still for 2 seconds

have them die and get the re-stealth if he wants

if you actually get mad over re-stealths you could always kidney shot the mob and kill it while the tank moves on

[balmy wing]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[vagrant beacon]

When im looking at a sim ( droptamizer) Whats the most important values? Best/priority/expected value? And what that even means? Ty

[analog field]

Yeah everytime I try to do this all dps go on to next and I can't solo the mob. One time I even got aggro by hitting it too many times

[balmy condor]

Those are just the values for those dungeons/raid bosses, you get a list of the biggest upgrades in the list underneath. Best is the gain from the best upgrade from that boss/dungeon, priority is a rough order of importance, expected value is the average dps you would gain from that boss when an item drops

So like if pit of saron is priority 1, the best upgrade 2% and its the neck, and the expected value is 0.4%

Then the dungeon with the biggest gains on average for you is pit of saron

It’ll say 2% for best because the neck

And if you bonus roll it, you should expect an average gain of 0.4%

[vagrant beacon]

And what if the best value comes from a dungeon and the priority and expected value comes from another? 😅

[balmy condor]

Well then your biggest upgrade comes from one dungeon but the rest of the items suck

And the other dungeon is the most gains on average

[vagrant beacon]

Ahhh okay, got it! Thx! ❤️

[balmy condor]

Np

[winged quail]

Nah stats are for losers just gamble like a degenerate for the big ticket items

[grim jay]

just gamble for trinkets and be spark stevie on the other slots

[vernal gate]

Guys little question
In aoe opener whats the optimal thing
Doing garrote fok rupture garrote and then ct envenom
Or we press garrote only once and ct envenom?

[analog field]

two garrotes is correct, and ideally a little bit spread

[warped moon]

i usually wait til 1 sec on imp garrote buff then use it as it fades

i think it works out to like 35 or 36 sec of imp garrote?

[upbeat sail]

ik we benefit from war raid buff but do we also benefit from dh magic brand?

[spice surge]

All the magic damage gets increased by dh yes

[upbeat sail]

so all poison dmg, caustic spatter, kingsbane, if so is it better to have a war or a dh in your comp for m+?

[golden loom]

warrior

warrior is just straight up 5% damage

demon hunter is like 1.5-2% at most for us? or something like that

[upbeat sail]

so its still phys comp bis

goddamn i rerolled from outlaw to escape this lmao

[golden loom]

shaman/warrior are the 2 best for any melee

I mean if you get the DH buff from a havoc he is also benefitting from the warrior buff so even better !

[upbeat sail]

most optimal selfish comp
monk tank, war dps, dh dps, shaman heal

cinema

[golden loom]

druid would be better than DH

[upbeat sail]

oh ye at least cr

and vers buff is better than magic brand aint it

[golden loom]

and mark of the wild is more damage

[upbeat sail]

love learning basics of the game when pushing 19s

thank you ❤️

[balmy wing]

the visual alerts in the new cooldown mangager are quite subtle. Is there a way to make the proc glow/flash more prominent? To make tracking pandemic easier

[real pike]

Guys the Beloren talent build on the guide doesn't run caustic but all 100 top sin logs have it, is this because we are considered to contribute more to the kill with ST on egg even if caustic pad results in higher overall?

[still nymph]

ArcUI has customizable and permanent glow indicators, but sadly nothing for the default UI afaik

[balmy wing]

Ah ok, I'll check it out anyways! Maybe useful

Ant march was better than flashing visual in the default manager

[still nymph]

yeah i think so too. its especially annoying that it only flashes for a moment and then fades. that is entirely fixable with arcui

[golden loom]

is there a class better at lastboss skyreach than rogue

[real pike]

new dh class is just the best at everything no

[golden loom]

yeah but can it stun the add for 8 seconds to cleave it at same time as boss

[celest ruin]

7cp kidney on the boss, then tab to the add and kick

[real pike]

I prefer for my teammate to drop a 1 sec stun first for that lovely lovely DR

[spice spire]

Stun wise? No

[coral ibex]

yea 8s kidney is goated

[crude helm]

Too bad it costs combo points

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-are-we-cooked-chat-are-we-cooked-gif-3488095719416147301

[potent oracle]

does order of casting kingsbane/deathmark matter

[analog field]

DM first

[royal lantern]

you can stun the add?

everytime i do the boss there is a fuckass warrior or paladin or hunter or DH immediatly throwing out their shity 2sec aoe stuns in 0,0001 seconds

[sacred oyster]

since when can you stun bosses

but yeah the ad in skyreach can be stunned to give more time to stop it

[dire flume]

hunter stun is like 4-6 seconds

unless theyre using it on the boss and letting the aoe stun hit it thats 1 second

[spice surge]

It also can't slow it by 72% (or 96% with shiv)

[golden loom]

Ye I just write to the group, me stun

[storm forum]

Like the prot war says "me reflect" and everyone forgets after 30 seconds

[iron chasm]

Maybe its just a skill issue, but what is the play with deathmark in pug keys +12? If there is one prio add in a pull, everyone focusses it and the add dies after <50% of deathmark time. Applying to any other add also doesnt make sense as these fall even faster. Do I just bite the bullet, mark the prio add, waste half the duration and still am below the pala thats just rolling its head on the keyboard? Playing the bleed build in +12 also feels like trolling because then boss damage is omegalul. Any insights?

[storm forum]

I either desync CDs from the group, or just boss damage omegalul for me

Boss damage doesn't even feel that bad imo

[iron chasm]

But when desyncing arent you effectively wasting one deathmark? Eg pit first pull with lust, using it on an add that dies almost immediately is troll, but not using mark is also troll there, as the next pull is rather insignificant for mark too

[iron chasm]

with sudden demise build?

[iron carbon]

Better wasting 1 DM or every half DM ?

[iron chasm]

hm actually fair point

[dawn seal]

is it normal form e to do more overal dps on salhadar compared to other people in my raid group

someone said since i get to hit boss only its normal for me to out dps them

[plain thistle]

why are they not hitting the boss? 🤔

[dawn seal]

the argument was like since there is limited amount of add hp basically i am just hitting boss and they are competing on adds

so obv they ll do less overall then me cuz salhadar is a st boss

[plain thistle]

ok

[severe meadow]

I mean, maybe you're doing more boss damage but there's giga pad to be had on that fight

[dawn seal]

yeah

i am doing more boss damage ijust said if people are getting overall out damaged by my undergeared assasination rogue they are doing something wrong

and they said no not realy u get to sit boss and its a st boss

[severe meadow]

We just have ranged do big orbs and melee just kinda stick to boss, small orbs just kinda die

[severe meadow]

You do go sicko mode in execute

I shit parsed this night and this was boss damage

[dawn seal]

[clear knoll]

No class tuning this week?

[spice surge]

Tank tuning only

[iron thorn]

class balance is fine

[spice surge]

It is though

[iron thorn]

yeah i was about to say

it actually kinda is

raid design is just bad

because everything has cleave that 2-3 specs excel at

[coral ibex]

RL just asked why im playing assa if no assa logs on lura

its jover

[coral pivot]

How long into the fight were you with the above picture?

[fresh kelp]

i got you cuz

[coral ibex]

[humble verge]

when do you get your 2nd DM up

[coral ibex]

at 2m

wym

[humble verge]

no i know that but like

where i nthe fight tho

[coral ibex]

it lines up with a crystal set

[fresh kelp]

would it not be right after the beam move at 2mins during terminate?

[humble verge]

hmmmmm

[coral ibex]

but crystals dont live long enough for it to matter much

[humble verge]

real

just play sub and pad

[coral ibex]

pad with what

a single sectec

[humble verge]

yes

i mean, like youre holding a sectec for all of the crystals anyways

[coral ibex]

im on the boss dam cope squad

[fresh kelp]

why pad when boss damage is op

[coral ibex]

im not even playing ct

just spatter so they cant say im trolling if we wipe to crystal damage

[fresh kelp]

idk we had our ddh swap to boss damage build we had way overkill crystal damage

[humble verge]

idk how many bp casts i get

[fresh kelp]

if the grips arent troll they just explode

[humble verge]

but to actually burst over our fucking shaman and monk

i need to have coup and flawless form stacks on the ready + max cp

[fresh kelp]

our tank is genuinely number 1 crystal damage btw

[coral ibex]

no one of our eles is doing insane crystal dam

[fresh kelp]

that guy explodes them solo

[humble verge]

he pads the first ones idk about after

[royal lantern]

arent you on prog

and talk about padding

[fresh kelp]

ye a bit strange

[crude helm]

Dude we have a havoc dh and an enhance shaman

[fresh kelp]

also boss damage is genuinely extremely important on lura so you beat the third memory game of p3

[crude helm]

Those adds don’t exist

[fresh kelp]

and the last set of soaks

(not that its hard to do so anymore with current tuning but still)

[golden loom]

@coral ibex do u know if potting lust or execute is more dam

[crude helm]

I think I’m done hitting black powder with the weapon upgrades today

[coral ibex]

i don’t know

[iron thorn]

there's a boss damage build for ddh?

[coral ibex]

i’m probably potting execute unless i get yelled at

[fresh kelp]

well kind of

on lura they have to play fast meta

if they want to meta all the crystal sets

[iron thorn]

interesting

[worn geyser]

tbh if ur just slamming boss damage normally on sub it kinda works out for good add damage also relatively, no need to intentionally hold a sec tech

[fresh kelp]

which is -10% st

[fresh kelp]

our lust and execute start at the same time fwiw

[golden loom]

Ye I was thinking for alleria cause then u can pot p1 + execute but if its more alleria dam to pot in lust then it would cause complaints

[iron thorn]

btw paladins yesterday

i already cba anymore

first 2 mins of that fight are straight ass

[fresh kelp]

the whole fight is straight ass

[royal lantern]

....assination?

[iron thorn]

i was so confused by the ret paladin running back in that i didnt see the shield hiding under him

that was a fun death

[slim pebble]

Servers at 9am pdt right?

[coral ibex]

haven’t seen past 2:30 yet

if we lust and it’s execute i’m sending

[severe meadow]

Something that helped me was facing the boss where the shields are coming from

[iron thorn]

yeah i did that in later pulls

i'm just so used to playing almost straight top down camera

[severe meadow]

Yeah, fight is fairly cringe for melee imo

[iron thorn]

we're also like 7 melees?

[severe meadow]

Cloak is so goated on that fight though

[iron thorn]

i scare press cloak often

like during the soaks or smth

[severe meadow]

I usually do it on the second set of hammers

I just step to the elephant chick to help bust shield

[iron thorn]

the overlap ones with heal absorbs?

[severe meadow]

Yeah

[iron thorn]

sounds clever

i got access to viserio sheet from my rl because my liquid reminders keep muting nsrt tts

[severe meadow]

I mean, I’m not personally getting the absorb but it just helps me brain off a bit

[iron thorn]

so i have to find another way to make the game scream feint at me

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-noted-kowalki-o3chaFJ6NfzM5Tp1Tq

verdict nerf rogue

[fresh kelp]

fun fact:

cloak does not immune the heal absorb, or the soaks, or searing radiance (other than the first second). feint does not work on searing radiance either

[severe meadow]

Ye, that’s why I didn’t care to do anything for the absorb

[iron thorn]

yeah i've realised it not getting rid of heal absorb

[severe meadow]

It’s just for hammers lmao

[fresh kelp]

your only solution to radiance is to feint the other incidental damage or press crimson vial xdd

[severe meadow]

If it got rid of the heal absorb, it would be so good

[fresh kelp]

better hope you dont have a heal absorb at same time because cloak wont help you with either

[severe meadow]

But blizzard hates us

[royal lantern]

fucking ai thumbnails

[fresh kelp]

quite a few pulls i watched myself slowly tick down and cheat to radiance once I had no health pot left

[severe meadow]

They also slapped guardian on the wrist after this xd

[spice surge]

Aint no way they're nerfing the thing thats doing significantly better than anything else

💀

[iron thorn]

imagine trusting your healers enough to play cheat

[plain thistle]

and the nerf isnt that huge, the build is probably still viable

[iron thorn]

need elusiveness to feel safe

[severe meadow]

Yeah it wasn’t that big of a nerf really

[fresh kelp]

saved me more pulls from hammers or shields or radiance than elusive would have saved me

[severe meadow]

Cheat does save the absolute piss out of you on hammers / shields

[fresh kelp]

well elusive would save me from radiance

but

[coral ibex]

yea i'd rather have cheat for the hammers and shields for sure

imagine just falling over

[iron thorn]

cheat would probably proc to the second sacred toll or sth

because i do be low on hp too much

we 5 healed yday

was rough

[severe meadow]

Are you getting clipped by the charge or something

[iron thorn]

not anymore

probably did for like first few pulls

but i realised my positioning mistakes

[royal lantern]

bro they are TOTALLY nerfing guardian druid because of a video+wowhead post

and not because it was giga overtuned

blizzard just hates FUN and nerfs stuff when wowhead makes posts about it

[coral ibex]

the charge is piss

[severe meadow]

We also 5 healed

[coral ibex]

it barely hits for anything

[severe meadow]

But we had our WW play MW

[radiant aspen]

theres video of 5 bears doing 20

[severe meadow]

Because revival is simply insane

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/patrick-speech-bubble-ptmTbJgwq1cWT1qqWO

nerf them

fast

[iron thorn]

yeah we had our priest swap to mw

but he's kinda overwhelmed by mw rn

[severe meadow]

He just gotta hit revival

[iron thorn]

so he barely does any healing

guess who's the mw

[severe meadow]

We’re not reclearing so I’m finally out of that shit fest of a fight

[humble verge]

do i sign up

[coral ibex]

we're doing 1h30m of reclear on tuesdays

whatever we kill in 90m is our reclear

[severe meadow]

[coral ibex]

then we go lura extendo

[humble verge]

i mean

you should be able to get

[worn geyser]

damn y all are doing reclear

[coral ibex]

we do up to paladins usually

no alleria

[humble verge]

6/9 bosses

in 1,5h

even splitting chimaerus

if you still need gazes

[worn geyser]

our raid is lura only multiple oT days this week

[coral ibex]

we're slow idk what to tell you

[severe meadow]

Tbh I’d rather reclear than do m+ for my crests but I’m just a m+ hater

[iron thorn]

nah i agree

[coral ibex]

oh fug i only did like 3 keys last week

[iron thorn]

i like keys

[coral ibex]

rip my vault

[iron thorn]

but i dont wanna have to do em for crests

[coral ibex]

hope i get a good raid 2 box

[worn geyser]

I didnt get a mythic boss slot this week cause we just didnt do any reclear lmao

[severe meadow]

I didn’t get any m+ slots

Rerolls have really killed my motivation to do anything else

[potent oracle]

started rogue char this fri so I dont even get to experience a vault

[spice spire]

You’ve just not done keys with Quakewar yet

Only know the W key and if I die healers fault

[coral ibex]

NA up btw just logged in

[spice spire]

God bless

[severe meadow]

Did you play assa for alleria?

[coral ibex]

yes

[severe meadow]

I kinda wanna try sub

[humble verge]

for you @coral ibex

[coral ibex]

oh shit we did get 4 box this week

LFG

[humble verge]

did you kill belo last reset

[coral ibex]

yea

forgot

[humble verge]

aok

[coral ibex]

we killed on tues

well this vault sucks

do i keep terts if i catalyze something

[humble verge]

yes

[severe meadow]

yeah

[humble verge]

always been like that

[coral ibex]

surely im not taking speed on my chest

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[iron thorn]

aint that a extra bonus roll angle

[coral ibex]

i think i just take another bonus roll

for m+

[humble verge]

HUH

[worn geyser]

8% glaive nerf if ur 8% faster gg

[humble verge]

wait

are none of those upgrades

or just crest saves tho

[coral ibex]

no

[humble verge]

feelsbad

i mean i still need headpiece and cloak

[coral ibex]

wait i do save 1 tier on the wrists

and IT HAS A SOCKET

[severe meadow]

cloak I guess

[coral ibex]

HOLY SHIT

[humble verge]

bro

thats like

1k increase

almost

idk what the dps for socket is anymore

[iron thorn]

6-700

[humble verge]

crest save

and free socket

ezpz

[worn geyser]

lol

bonus roll angle

[humble verge]

0

0

8=========DD

[coral ibex]

soon 285

[humble verge]

not even 285

holy cooked

i mean im fighting for leather loot between like

10 raiders minimum

[iron thorn]

i hope i get a outlaw wep tmrw from vault

would be goated

[humble verge]

maybe ill actually roll for outlaw gear tomorrow

[coral ibex]

i have more myth items than slots and still dont have myth in every slot

[humble verge]

might wanna try it out for m+

[iron thorn]

been doing that for the past 3 weeks

[coral ibex]

every bonus roll i get is garbage and a slot dupe

[iron thorn]

got first mythic dagger off vorasius because only rogue in roster

[coral ibex]

dinars were better

[iron thorn]

kinda yes

kinda no

i like that i can get myth track gear now faster

but for specific trinkets etc

it does suck

[severe meadow]

You get it faster but you can still only upgrade it so fast

[iron thorn]

thats right

[severe meadow]

Crest cap makes it feel kinda shit

[iron thorn]

but imagine if they werent there

[worn geyser]

i didnt like dinars, felt like too tournament realmy removed all kinda hype around getting loot

[iron thorn]

i would just end weeks without stuff to spend my mythic crests on

[severe meadow]

I got 5 bonus rolls to burn through

Was saving for Alleria

[iron thorn]

[severe meadow]

Idk I kinda already got everything I need from pit

[iron thorn]

nah i can broll a lot still

rings, neck, pants

boots and gloves too

[pine surge]

When you enter a big pull, do you guys generally spam crimson tempest until all bleeds are applied or do you fit in envenoms to not waste CPs? Or does it depend

[plain thistle]

you fit envenom to do damage

caustic spatter is our big hitter, you want to use envenom

[pine surge]

Gotcha

Also, do you generally reset rupture too when garrote is about to fall off or just respread garrote and then respread rupture only when it's about to fall off a bit later?

[coral ibex]

wow i love collecting component items

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-collecting-required-to-get-weapon-or-trinket-upgrades-this-week-381585?utm_source=discord-webhook

[severe meadow]

[radiant otter]

actual great news compared to seasonal cap

blizzard loves rogues confirmed and outlaw tier confirmed

[vital flicker]

does anyone know when they buffed emberwing feather? the 6/6 champ picture is from the start of the season, and the 1/6 champ is current

I feel like I never read about them tuning it

[analog field]

I just had it

I think it was 700 for 3/6 hero

[vital flicker]

it used to give less stats than Guidon

[storm forum]

IIRC theyr did a trinket tuning pass heroic week?

[lime edge]

Guys, rogue benefits more from the ilvl boost more than any other class trust

[crystal hare]

When in AOE, after the first envenom, do we over cap combo points during burst to spread dots?

[spare kayak]

Nope

[crystal hare]

Interesting. Feels really bad to be halfway through death mark seeing mobs without dots

Not halfway literally but still

[spare kayak]

its just substituting the builder, its not that serious

also envenom is tasty

[crystal hare]

Just thought that spreading garrote might be higher prio than envenom

[crystal hare]

When the poison bomb drops back to back

Feelsgoodman

[fallow canopy]

is it to early to say that I hate this voidcore thing?

[analog field]

lfr spammmm

[lime edge]

I mean how rare are they from dungeons

You gotta do 8 a week anyways

[fallow canopy]

suuuure 8 a week

[lime edge]

Are u not doing them

[fallow canopy]

I barely do 4

[spice surge]

You don't have to play the game if you don't want to

[lime edge]

Well yea obv

I dont mean u literally have to

[fallow canopy]

true I guess, idk I may be on my disliking arc

[lime edge]

I just try to do skyreach

Fastest dungeon by far

[spice surge]

Not a whole lot of reason to even do all 8 m+ now, especially if you also raid

[fallow canopy]

hopefully you get more than 1 per mythic boss

[spice surge]

Higher ilvl from raid, and you can always pick a bonus roll and get myth track from keys anyway

[lime edge]

Well, you basically get 3 extra chances at getting ur myth item

And then u get to use rerolls

Like if I get the npx ring I need from vault I dont need to go to npx at all

[radiant otter]

i don't really understand what people want, i play the game and will get rewards from it. but people are upset it's not time-gated? or that they can't just immediately blast every 6/6 and craft +10 ilvl upon login by talking to an npc

[lime edge]

[waxen oyster]

or just have both

8 m+ this late kind of optional asf

esp when raid vault is 282

[lime edge]

I mean 8 dungeons don't take very long

[fallow canopy]

I personally don't like the rng

[waxen oyster]

that's still time i could be doing other things

[lime edge]

Like what

[waxen oyster]

not playing wow

[lime edge]

Theres like nothing to do

[waxen oyster]

[lime edge]

Couldn't u just do dungeons instead of raid to minimize wow time

Raid takes way longer

[waxen oyster]

?

[fallow canopy]

its not minimizing wow time, I like raid 100000x more than m+, so it depends on what you enjoy most on the game

[waxen oyster]

yeah m+ is slop content you get forced to do

[radiant otter]

yeah but removing the rng and getting guaranteed cores would feel even more pointless, wouldn't it?

[waxen oyster]

start of every tier

[radiant otter]

but then it's basically just a +10 on 4 items just for logging in

[waxen oyster]

its basicallw how the pvp upgrade items are

except the pvp one came out weeks ahead

[lime edge]

I mean the gearing in this game sucks

What can you do

[waxen oyster]

yeah because of m+

[lime edge]

No

[lethal turtle]

Surely the pvp one is also 100x easier cause of the 2s spam

[lime edge]

Because the gear is super simple

[waxen oyster]

super simple

yet people ask shit about secondaries

every 5 minutes

[golden loom]

Delves?

[lime edge]

Because there's nothing else to talk about

[waxen oyster]

no one does 2s

[radiant otter]

yeah it supposedly drops from bountiful delves and nightmare prey

[waxen oyster]

and tbf higher rated 2s takes awhile

not everyone plays rat mmr

[waxen oyster]

mods need to rename #subtlety to #aremystatsok

[lime edge]

What if every class had multiple tier sets

So you could have different builds

Like actually different

[spice surge]

Lots of people genuinely hate that

[lime edge]

[spice surge]

Whenver theres multiple viable builds peoples mind expldoes

[radiant otter]

the deathstalker tier set

[spice surge]

Because they want to play the best

always

and never swap

or compromise on anything

[lime edge]

Brain damage

[waxen oyster]

i need to find the azor quote

[lime edge]

I also think we should have way more secondary stats

But it is what it is

[waxen oyster]

where he says more people need to be like obama

have multiple of the same suit

to not require brain power

on what to wear

[lime edge]

Its like having school uniforms

[worn geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

still no guidon this week its over man im not swapping off sin this week on lura

playing box sub on lura is cringe

[waxen oyster]

But yeah if we had multiple tier sets

one would sim higher

and people just play it always

[lime edge]

Then you buff the lower one

[waxen oyster]

wait a minute

you're expecting blizz to balance tiersets

[severe meadow]

Multiple tier sets sounds like a fucking awful addition bro

[royal lantern]

isnt it just

[waxen oyster]

when they cant even balance classes

[worn geyser]

then 1 is 1% better on cleave fights and 1% better on ST fights and same shit

[royal lantern]

have 18% haste minimum

and then you are ok with sub

[waxen oyster]

yes

[lime edge]

The whole point of diff tier sets would be different playstyle tho

[waxen oyster]

you put crit>mastery for 2 weeks

and peopel shit their pants pretending crit is bad post change

again

[lime edge]

If they both play the same and one just does more dmg then there's no point

[severe meadow]

Your current tier set doesn't do anything for your playstyle

[worn geyser]

its like 700+ with guidon 800+ no guidon iirc but im not a sub main

[lime edge]

You think I like that?

[waxen oyster]

i mean s1 tiersets

of any expac

are always "boring"

[severe meadow]

are usually boring yeah

but like

why would we want 2 boring ones

[lime edge]

But why tho

Why do they even have to be boring

[radiant otter]

blizzard should make a tier set specifically for my character and only my character and then balance it to be better

[lime edge]

What is this made up rule

[waxen oyster]

probably safer

[lime edge]

[waxen oyster]

when revamping classes

to just have flat gains

[lime edge]

I think part of our tier set doesnt even work

[waxen oyster]

ngl

[lime edge]

I believe the garrote applying poison doesnt work with ct

[waxen oyster]

i dont even remember

[lime edge]

[waxen oyster]

what the assa set bonus is

it increases damage

i think

[waxen oyster]

yeah

number go up

dassit

[severe meadow]

yurp

[lime edge]

[calm grail]

Best first hammer upgrade is mainhand right?

[severe meadow]

very likely

[waxen oyster]

ig sub's bonus kind of impacts their gameplay

slightly

[crystal hare]

My favorite tier set ever was arcane mage’s missiles in TWW. Felt like a Sith Lord.

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[lime edge]

The sub one is def more impactful yea

With longer blades

[hidden crown]

anyone know how to use the puzzle box though a macro?
It wont activate when Im using DM

[crystal hare]

Plain number tier sets are snooze

[severe meadow]

Can't macro it

[waxen oyster]

you have to stand and cast it

[hidden crown]

Damn

[severe meadow]

It's a cast

[waxen oyster]

people missed the gorillion memes about puzzlebox

in df i guess