assassination

[balmy condor]

also a classic

[latent kernel]

I think that by releasing the 3.4k mounts and achievement they inadvertently created a rat vortex at the 16 key level

It used to be at the 12-13 level

Because of the 3k achievement

[balmy condor]

rat vortex is sending me

[latent kernel]

The funniest part is that I’m sure people are saying the exact same thing about me after these keys, atleast I’m self aware enough to acknowledge that

It’s like driving and how it’s always everyone else’s fault

Oh well it was all worth it in the end for the recolored armoredon

[mint urchin]

The sad part is they aren't even cool mounts

[waxen oyster]

oh its still there

as someone who does vault keys

[buoyant herald]

There’s a couple of levels now

10s for vault. 12/13 for 3k. 16/17 for 3.4k.

As people reach their capability ceiling / goal

I’ve been crest farming today around the 12-13 range and I cannot believe how many keys I’ve timed with 2 dps under 100k

Like it’s not even close we just waltz in under the timer

[jolly stirrup]

I just had my best key Performance a few days ago damage wise, a 10AA with 191k dmg. It may not be a lot, but for me it is

[buoyant herald]

thats kinda nuts for AA

thats a lot for anyone

[jolly stirrup]

We did have an evoker

[buoyant herald]

Even then that’s solid

My best is 175k in a pit with no aug but I think I could do much better if I was playing with comms

[jolly stirrup]

We were helping our Healer friend, they are gearing their shaman and we're at like 230ilvl, and our shadow priest also had low gear, so Mobs lived long enough

[buoyant herald]

biggest roadblock to assass damage is frontloaded dps in low keys for sure

[potent oracle]

whats the best lethal/nonlethal poison

[balmy condor]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[bronze panther]

Sir is assa competing with sub on raid damage? Changed to assa to try a bit since 2 weeks i think i prefer it than sub

[balmy condor]

yeah assa is fine

[bronze panther]

I took the build from here for raid talents its fine as it is. I need to tweak anything for any fights?

[balmy condor]

paladins and dragons you play the m+ build

[main bobcat]

thank you whispyr I will do that

[rapid patio]

is there a page where i can see dungeons DPS per spec? like summary

[balmy condor]

I don't think so

that sounds like some really shaky stats

[rapid patio]

i want to know if i'm doing good dps or not

[balmy condor]

if you log a key there's a parse on your log for that dungeon at that key level

but it is

very janky

because you can't really compare it like that

dungeons are so insanely variable

like okay, you did the same dungeon in the same amount of time at the same key level

did you have a shaman and a warrior? no? -11% dps

you had the same comp, same key level, same dungeon, same amount of time?

did the other people do the same amount of damage too? did they die? did they fuck up their cds? did they cd the mob you used cds on?

[cunning needle]

did your tank have highlight assist on and pulled exactly one pack at a time

[balmy condor]

and then not everyone logs their keys

so you're like already comparing to 40 people

it's just a mess

[rapid patio]

oh i see, did not consider that

[jolly stirrup]

I go into keys: Did we time? Yay! Did we deplete, not yay

[visual sun]

Did we deplete with some trash talking? /popcorn

[charred wind]

https://mythicstats.com/dps - but take with a pinch of salt

[frigid cedar]

i wanted to ask you guys how much you sim on dungeon slice?

[molten flicker]

what's holding you back?

[buoyant herald]

Like 150k or something idk

Are we measuring sizes

[frigid cedar]

no

i simmed i sim 120k without buffs

and im a bit confused couse it seems a bit low

[buoyant herald]

Without buffs I’d believe it. Assume you’re not like 289 ilvl

[frigid cedar]

283

[buoyant herald]

What’s the matter with that

Sims don’t tell you how good you or your spec are they tell you what gear to equip or what talent to take in the given situation

[frigid cedar]

yeah yeah just wondering maybe i need more mastery instead of crit for more aoe if mastery even makes the cut even

[buoyant herald]

You could sim stat weights for fun but it’ll almost surely tell you crit is still goated

(I know this because I did it)

Puzzle box especially devalues mastery

[frigid cedar]

did not thought about it that way good point

[buoyant herald]

Assassination is a known low-compared-to-other-specs simmer

So just use them to be the best you can be ❤️

[toxic ginkgo]

Swapping over from outlaw, is single target dmg respectful?

[jolly stirrup]

That depends

Raid? Definetly

M+? Nah

[buoyant herald]

Goes well if you can get a second round of CDs in execute

[analog field]

We have one of the best ST in m+

after the top 3-4 specs

especially in higher keys with 2-3 set of CDs and in execute

[strange onyx]

hello i am assa

[buoyant herald]

Impressive work from the BM

[keen raven]

m+ asa has some of the highest aoe along with some the highest prio dmg in the game

[spice surge]

The "issue" is that most other meta classes (like unholy) already have very high prio, so in a lot of cases you end up with the big dude dead and a whole lot of smallies that you need to kill

So the prio isnt as good as it should be

[royal lantern]

playing bm in keys sucks so hard lol

like, idk why but it just does negative dmg on packs unless it can spamm black arrows

[keen raven]

not in high keys

[royal lantern]

absolutely in high keys

i did +19 stuff with a unholy+demo, and important prio mobs still died before my DM did its full dmg lol

[spice surge]

????

[royal lantern]

inc:

[keen raven]

im talkin 21-22s

[spice surge]

Yes

[royal lantern]

"+19 is not high"

I KNEW IT

lol

[keen raven]

u can also adjust in keys and pick a diff prio target if u know ur group has a lot of prio already

[spice surge]

Not all packs have 2 big targets

[spice surge]

Like i pulled a log from a +21 magisters terrace first pull. The pull is 46s seconds long, and the big sentry is dead after 37 seconds

Its obviously not useless, but its not speeding up the key as much as it has in the past

[runic hinge]

whatever key level you think its always r1 keys instead

[humble verge]

sorry guys im doing 25s

smh

[burnt juniper]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/rogue-needs-to-bring-a-real-raid-buff/2304579

hey guys hit this with a like if you can

[subtle tundra]

grow up

[humble verge]

no i dont want us to be relevant

then i actually HAVE to compete to play rogue

[royal lantern]

DKs will brigade it

[burnt juniper]

nauuurrww

they have enough already

[humble verge]

nah they need raid buff too

[balmy condor]

I mean right off the bat Atrophic does not work on many instances of damage (mainly environmental) which drastically reduces its effectivenessis just wrong

it works on legit everything except like 3 mechanics in the entire season

[royal lantern]

did you ever read what dks said in the last 5 years? clearly they dont because they dont have a flat number buff (ignore that basically all important fights have a 1-2 DK hard requirment)

[balmy condor]

and 2 out of those 3 mechanics are kinda irrelevant

[burnt juniper]

i must have been getting told fake news then

[royal lantern]

there have been moments where it was worse

but its overblown most of the time

[burnt juniper]

but it still doesn't answer the question why is rogue being sat for almost the entire race then

[royal lantern]

like everything is in WoW tbh

[balmy condor]

xalatath throws little dot debuffs on you on dragons, the dodge hammers on paladin, and the meh raidwide tick damage on lura

are the only three mechanics

everything else is attributed

[royal lantern]

well, because atrophic is still not good, rogue isnt doing exceptional dmg, has no unique tools that makes you wanna bring them

[burnt juniper]

yup

[royal lantern]

its not about "atrophic doesnt work"

[burnt juniper]

it's clearly not enough

[subtle tundra]

noooooooooo rogue is sometimes not good on the literal world first kill of the boss

please blizzard i beg

[balmy condor]

I mean it's also a shit melee tier, how many rogues do you think they're taking if there's only like 3 melee dps on a kill

[spice surge]

Technically its also alleria p1 since you cant really apply it to all of the mobs

[subtle tundra]

lets close the discord

[balmy condor]

yeah I guess

[spice surge]

But thats a different issue

That it only lasts 10 seconds

[royal lantern]

mfw our crown setup had 4 melee dps, where 3 where DK + me

[burnt juniper]

i think this is getting in the weeds

the big argument is nobody truly cares about atrophic

especially in keys

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

atrophic is spreadsheet utility

[burnt juniper]

dmg raid buff=better

[subtle tundra]

well in keys then paladin has no raidbuff either

by the same logic

[burnt juniper]

kinda yes

[storm forum]

I also think numbing is better in keys

[burnt juniper]

but also pally brings a shitton of good utility

[storm forum]

Paladin's raid buff is actually bop/sac/freedom

[balmy condor]

I can get behind that, I just don't really think "wahhh no rogue in RWF and top like 300 m+" is really a compelling argument that basically anyone at blizzard or the greater community at large will give a shit about

[storm forum]

Rogue raid buff is actually tricks

[humble verge]

false, its demg

[storm forum]

How many milligrams?

[burnt juniper]

i just thought it was very telling how useless rogue has become from this last race

[royal lantern]

my raidbuff is according to the RL "you are not a moron"

(im forced to do all mechanics)

[humble verge]

so are you doing seed then

[burnt juniper]

because rogue not being in the race has a big effect on the rest of the game

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

yeah but I think it actually ends up showing the opposite I'm ngl

[burnt juniper]

everyone pays attention to it

[royal lantern]

im doing orb soaks in beloren

[spice surge]

Idk after shamans got sat in rwf they got skyfury, after hunters got sat in rwf they made hunters mark, then when they got sat a second time they changed hunters mark to be perma 3% and when DKs was sat for rwf they promised to make grip relevant, and since then its been mandatory on every endboss

[royal lantern]

and immunity soaks

[humble verge]

i mean thats a given

[royal lantern]

[humble verge]

everyone does orb soaks

[burnt juniper]

fair enough

[humble verge]

and like pala and rogue does immunity

[balmy condor]

like the argument of "no rogue in race this tier" is more just "dk exists"

[storm forum]

My raid buff is yelling "PISS" whenever there's a yellow looking mechanic

[burnt juniper]

exactly yeah

[spice surge]

Pretty strong evidence that they never want a class to be sat on rwf

[balmy condor]

guess they're buffing atrophic to 5% then

cause that was the point of atrophic

[spice surge]

They might ye

[storm forum]

Reverse mark of the wild

[balmy condor]

but like raid buffs are kind of unfixable idk

[storm forum]

1.6% damage amp

[grim jay]

crit buff!

[burnt juniper]

maybe if they buffed atrophic and then made it an aura instead

[balmy condor]

when was the last time they played dps warrior

[jolly stirrup]

My Raid Buff is my raid lead not realizing that I was participating the last 2 raids xD

[balmy condor]

instead of tank warrior

dps warrior is literal piss

you just run the buff on the tank

and call it a day

[burnt juniper]

but at least warrior is in

rogue was not

[storm forum]

Real rogue rp

[balmy condor]

okay but is that the solution

"warrior was in, just on tank"

feels like it's just the same problem but you're escaping to a different role

[burnt juniper]

it's not great, but they were still represented in some way

[balmy condor]

like yeah, shaman was in as well

ele sham

[jolly stirrup]

When Rogue Tank/Heal

[royal lantern]

to be fair, raidbuffs goal is "every class is in atleast once", even if its tank or heal

but yeha ik what you mean

[spice surge]

2 of them on ansurek

[balmy condor]

thank you unc

[spice surge]

[humble verge]

dps warrior

[royal lantern]

ancient times

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

like even havoc is just giga shafted

havoc was already kinda shafted cause you ran veng for the debuff

and now you just get to play another ranged dps?

you get fucked twice

[golden loom]

havoc is better on lura now

[balmy condor]

that's so sick

[humble verge]

we still somehow have a feral dudu

[balmy condor]

enhance gets fucked on resto and ele

[royal lantern]

world of rangedcraft

having a ranged option is the death of melee options

[balmy condor]

yeh pretty much

[humble verge]

maybe its time to go ranged next tier

[storm forum]

When are we getting our gun spec?

[grim jay]

people still want a gunslinger ranged rogue

[humble verge]

outlaw tank when

[grim jay]

worst idea ever

[royal lantern]

i mean, if you wanna be melee and strong/valuable, its basically DK for a good while now

[balmy condor]

I think if rogue ranged spec existed, like outlaw gunslinger or something, I would either one trick it or quit the game

nothing in between

[humble verge]

no i would rather PLAY rogue

gunslinger rogue

so like

marksman with extra steps?

[balmy condor]

have you ever played samira in league

[storm forum]

I would be fighting my raid lead to let me keep playing assa

[royal lantern]

WoW players explaining you new specs that are just existing specs:

BRO WE NEED NECROMANCER SPEC

[humble verge]

i have, and she is more melee than ranged i tell ya

[royal lantern]

ITS JUST UNHOLY DK

OR DEMO LOCK

BUT IT WOULD BE SO UNIQUE

[balmy condor]

okay, use your imagination now

mid-range evoker/devourer style shit

but samira

[golden loom]

samira my goat

[royal lantern]

so

dogshit?

[storm forum]

I hate samira

[royal lantern]

and we allready have cringe coinflips

[storm forum]

But I liked red mage in ff14

[balmy condor]

yes, devourer and aug, two of the most famously dogshit specs

[storm forum]

So maybe I would like it

[royal lantern]

tbf redmage in ff14 is a full ranged most of the time

like you are just a ranged

do ranged stuff

[storm forum]

[royal lantern]

and then do a short melee combo for the burst

[grim jay]

so like

devourer?

[royal lantern]

i mean dogshit in gameplay and execution

not numbers

[balmy condor]

devourer and aug are both pretty fun idk

[royal lantern]

its not hard to make specs overtuned as fuck and then act suprised when they have "sucess"

[golden loom]

yeah I would love to play dev but Ir olled a myth puzzlebox and a myth axe in 2 first weeks

[royal lantern]

nah

like, redmage is really just

a 100% normal turret caster

[grim jay]

I always get triggered by the eruption animation of aug idk

[royal lantern]

and then does a melee dash, 2 melee hits and backflips out every 90(?) seconds

idk the timer anymore

[balmy condor]

your eruption triggers me too

[royal lantern]

like, the "melee" part is just a fancy animation

[iron thorn]

idk if i'm just bad at devourer, or if its gear and the keys i've done on it so far. but man it sucks when packs die faster than you can shoot out your stars

[balmy condor]

yeah that is kinda the only complaint I have

[iron thorn]

like in the 12s i did the other dps were jut too fast at melting the packs

[balmy condor]

leveling it? holy hell feels so ass

getting haste? feels okay

maybe I'm just a masochist that plays ramp specs that feel like shit in low end content

[royal lantern]

nah, devourer is extra shit

[balmy condor]

there's introspection to be had here

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-jensen-ackles-dean-winchester-dean-spn-gif-5756988

[royal lantern]

not even spriest in legion was as bad

[iron thorn]

wait wait

are you hating on

[royal lantern]

for leveling

[iron thorn]

s2m shadow

[royal lantern]

i mean how it felt during leveling

[grim jay]

sucks 2 main?

[royal lantern]

devourer is just 200% oof in that regard

[iron thorn]

thats why you level as havoc or vengeance

and also gear as those specs

and then when you have the gear

you respec devourer

and start living the fotm spec life

[royal lantern]

ngl, it would help if Sudden Demise was not a talent that you unlock only as a capstone AND if it would work outside of dungeons/raids

[balmy condor]

yeah but I'm starting to hate sudden demise because it's such a magnet for idiots, degnerates, and general sketchy hooligans

[frosty cedar]

not the hooligans

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/norf-drum-drummer-soccer-football-gif-26344787

[frosty cedar]

genuine bri'ish lads

[balmy condor]

sudden demise is like sticking a piece of sushi into a piranha infested lake

they might not be snapping at it instantly

but they're comin

and they will bite your hand off

the hand being good math

this analogy isn't working

[royal lantern]

make it about food

imagine if SD was a burger

[balmy condor]

I tried the food angle but I lost it

I like went food

and then it morphed into just fish

not my best work

[frosty cedar]

sd is like working out and only eating 200 greasy burgers

it feels good and u get bigger

but its not just good big

[iron thorn]

yo backshot

[frosty cedar]

helloing

[iron thorn]

how did you like playing paladins?

[frosty cedar]

like

is a strong word

[iron thorn]

i'm not too sure if i wanna play that boss or not

but i'm kinda getting bored not playing

[golden loom]

boss is fun NO CAP

[frosty cedar]

I wanted to play because I prefer not to be benched on any progress

but like its so cringe

[iron thorn]

i COULD technically play my aug on that

[frosty cedar]

your giga reliant on your tanks for dmg and whether the pala dies 1 min before he should

[iron thorn]

but idk if my raid lead wants my aug, because he hasn't yet said anything to the idea

[frosty cedar]

its silly billy gaming

[iron thorn]

perfect

so b for benching myself again

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106266712573218856/1497290068195409960/2dxp1w8.gif?ex=6a016aca&is=6a00194a&hm=1ad620ac7ec6d32d0be2513d1abf29849d7adbdc3b12c7f38757fb75225bf917&

[golden loom]

idk I think I've just gaslit myself into liking paladins

cause I just hated soul hunters so much

[frosty cedar]

I mean its very playable its just annoying and your dps can vary widely from pull to pull

[iron thorn]

yeah that sounds like something i would not enjoy lol

[golden loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9gGzDF4HL8mCnNRf?fight=17 this was gonna be a heater if we didnt kill the ret 1 min too early and then holy paladin a bit early and then bleed out to the prot pally

[frosty cedar]

unlucky buddy

what is your uhdk doing

[golden loom]

well one died at 5min

[iron thorn]

bro 6 healing

i fucking hate when that happens

[golden loom]

do you like how many melee dps we have

[frosty cedar]

holy moly the 6 heal

[golden loom]

3 tanking dragons into 6 healing paladins

[iron thorn]

game's good

idek if we have 6 healers in guild

[golden loom]

we have 2 offspec healers

[iron thorn]

i think we did, but one left the guild recently

[golden loom]

evoker and shadowpriest on healing duty

[iron thorn]

yeah might happen to our shadow too

[golden loom]

theres no dps check on that boss tho and 6 healing made it pretty piss

[hard mason]

We ran 3 melee on paladins. And for some reason I had to be one of em. 3% dmage reduction being important or something bah.

:P

[iron thorn]

ah no, we had 7 healers and one left

so we're saved

ez

[frosty cedar]

bro has half of the healers

[golden loom]

im so hyped for wednesday..

will finally get to spend all my crests on alts

[iron thorn]

imagine getting myth achievement done

[celest ruin]

paladins with only one hunter

[iron thorn]

mm is shit now

deal with it or sth

[frosty cedar]

we also did it with 1 hunter omegalul

[lime lantern]

kind of sad to see outlaws chosen 4 out of 5 times for phys comp in 19+ and when u get chosen, u get asked why dont u play outlaw

as if assa isnt viable anymore in ppl's eyes

[iron thorn]

all zac's fault

[lime lantern]

i can imagine situation is even worse in 20-21

[iron thorn]

imagine pugging keys that high

are keys that range still like "go in, pull big first pull, wipe, gg go next"

[lime lantern]

idk but 19s are pretty "easy" or tolerable atleast with the current ilvl ppl have

[balmy condor]

Pugging 20’s, eating a handful of wet nails, or dropping a thick wooden cutting board directly onto your pinky toe

The three prime evils of the universe

[iron thorn]

tell me the difference between these two pictures type situation

[royal lantern]

you just created the bossfights for D5

[manic quartz]

You forgot stepping on legos

[balmy condor]

Yeah Diablo comes back and for phase 2 it’s just a necrotic wake with four of the most braindead underdeveloped howler monkeys imaginable

I’m talking like the zoo is keeping the monkeys in a separate enclosure cause they’re too ugly for public viewing

It’s a charity case cause the breed is dying and like they need them to survive

But they bash their heads into tree trunks

[iron thorn]

whispyr on fire today

[balmy condor]

So now it’s like a padded room

[frosty cedar]

actual herculean labour

[balmy condor]

The Diablo fight he just splits himself into tank who doesn’t understand that he needs to press defensives to survive a group of enemies + healer with zero awareness of any mechanics + boomkin that complains he can’t kick anything + bm hunter clicking his abilities and keyboard turning because “that’s how everyone did it in wrath”

Just little satanic vessels

Like a fucking horcrux

And you must complete the key to break them

Okay you know what, scratch that

[grim jay]

were you, by chance, involved in the development of m+?

[balmy condor]

It’s just a follower dungeon

But like a +25

I’m reinventing the wheel

Just make a +25 follower dungeon

That might actually be a higher quality group than the scum of the earth in LFG

[iron thorn]

casuals would love follower m+ so they can get all the nice mounts they cannot get with pug groups because "my spec doesn't get invited to keys"

meanwhile some prot paladin got 3k with the glowy route and obr

[balmy condor]

Have you seen the AI on the followers though

[royal lantern]

"i dont get into any keys"

looks inside

ilvl 258 with 1,7k score, applies to +13 keys

[balmy condor]

You’re not timing fucking anything

[iron thorn]

i did nalorakk follower dungeon in campaign

was enough

[balmy condor]

If you removed 3/4ths of the dungeon I think the tank npc would be unable to time the key

Like academy just tree boss straight to end boss

Do you think followers can do it in under 30 min

[iron thorn]

single dad with 6 jobs

[iron thorn]

not doing first pull big sounds like the key is untimeable already tbf

[balmy condor]

Pulling tree boss adds in groups of 3

[iron thorn]

I imagine the AI tank would just pull like at most one of the big flower at a time

[balmy condor]

Just the lashers then the roaming pack of stingers

Then the next lashers

Big lasher as a mini boss on its own

[iron thorn]

hahahhahaha

[balmy condor]

What a banger

[iron thorn]

we need to do this

5 man dungeon cosplaying the follower ai

pulling legit pack by pack

[balmy condor]

Forget decor duels

This could be content

You get an mdi style head to head

Follower dungeon vs premade team

And the viewers vote on which team is the npc

They don’t know which is which

[iron thorn]

HOLY

we need to pitch this

[grim jay]

I want whispyr to be moderating that shit

while alternating between german and english

[balmy condor]

Could you imagine the practice that would need to happen

Like “guys we killed that pack too fast, you need to play worse”

[iron thorn]

hahaa

wait what comp was follower dungeons again

[balmy condor]

“If I push buttons slower they can tell because my character animations just don’t exist, should I unequip a ring or something

[iron thorn]

prot warr, rsham, fire mage, bm hunter + x

[balmy condor]

It’s like a deeply psychological meta game

Each team has an analyst that just runs follower dungeons all day to collect data on routes and pack timing that they need to copy

This could be insane

It’s like all the mental game and practice and knowledge of baseball

Mixed with all the boring unwatchable and profoundly uninteresting gameplay of baseball

[iron thorn]

idk

whats the synergies in this comp

skyfury + vers + dev aura + hunters mark

[balmy condor]

Captain Garrick really playing prot pala in a phys comp

Read the fucking room man

[grim jay]

I thought all the americans love watching baseball

like its in their dna

as it is with football

[iron thorn]

i like watching the match highlights

throwing a ball very fast into hitting it very far and running like a madman

thats fun content

[balmy condor]

Baseball is something you enjoy if you grew up playing baseball, or if you grew up drinking cheap beer and sitting in a lawn chair all afternoon

[iron thorn]

shuja is playing ele

rip key

where enhancement

[grim jay]

suddenly sounds even more american

[balmy condor]

It is insanely American

But if you’re not a baseball player

Baseball genuinely sucks

90% of the game nothing is happening

[iron thorn]

are you shitting me

this is the first pull in windspire

into solo magus

[balmy condor]

It’s like soccer if everyone was standing still for most of the game

The keeper clears the ball and everyone runs for about 15 seconds

And then they just stand there for the next 30 minutes and kick the ball back and forth

That’s basically baseball

[drifting cloud]

and the best part they play like 200 games a season!

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[grim jay]

I mean I had the same thought, tho even while they are running around nothing much happens

[balmy condor]

Yeah really it’s like 2 people that are running

And 10 people watching the two people run

And then like 3 people catch and throw a ball

And you go back to standing still for 30 min

[ember mural]

baseball is like basketball, start watching with playoffs

[balmy condor]

Like there’s a real chance if your playing right outfield

You just don’t do anything all game

You watch foul balls whizz past you

And you watch the center catch some pop outs

And then you swing a bat a couple times, don’t hit

And that’s your game

[hazy sundial]

The fact that they wear leather belt while playing baseball tell you everything you need to know how athletic and serious sport baseball is

[ember mural]

and get paid 6 figures per game

[balmy condor]

Fun fact, I was gonna be a pitcher in high school, did tryouts and made the team as a pitcher

But they changed the practice days and it overlapped with marching band

So I quit baseball

Lil whispyr lore

[ember mural]

[balmy condor]

Now I throw a much heavier ball and still destroy my elbow

[ember mural]

Bowling/Baseball/Band-spyr

[grim jay]

but bowling is interesting

[drifting cloud]

love these lore dumps

[balmy condor]

Bro the amount of baseball analogies and examples I use when I’m coaching bowling

[drifting cloud]

first the all german high school and now this

[balmy condor]

You would be surprised

[ember mural]

wait all german hs wtf

[drifting cloud]

or whatever the US equivalent is, our school systems are too different

[balmy condor]

Like I’m convinced if you’re a softball player

You can pick up bowling in like a week

[iron thorn]

The owning property in Germany and potentially inheriting a restaurant is sick

[balmy condor]

All German K->8, public English high school

Also the only brown kid I knew up through 8th grade was Filipino/german and the highschool I went to is legit like 85% Latino so that was a bit of a culture shock

Freshman year was crazy

I heard more Spanish walking between my classes than I had heard my entire life prior

[drifting cloud]

yeah cant relate im from the Balkans

all we got is tracksuits and warcrimes

[runic hinge]

lemme see the fit

[drifting cloud]

Spanish isnt even offered as a course in most high schools

[balmy condor]

Also my private schooling before highschool, 13 kids in my class, I grew up with them

First class I go to in highschool

[ember mural]

were you a gopnik

[balmy condor]

37 kids

Complete randoms

Never saw them outside of that class ever again

That was fucking insane feeling

[grim jay]

hey, from germany and all we got is gucci bellybags/caps and stabbings

[balmy condor]

It’s like I went from my aotc guild to LFR insta

Wild stuff

[humble verge]

:d

[sharp viper]

Wild comparison

[ancient ingot]

guys can someone sent macro for mouseover shadowstep idk why my not working

[jaunty sky]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover, nodead, exists][] Shadowstep

[ancient ingot]

ty

[bronze panther]

Really to that extent?

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[north vortex]

do you guys have a must have set of macros for assa?

i have an automatic interrupt, mouseover distract and thats it

[storm forum]

Mouse over shadowstep, focus kick, pot/trinket+DM

[young flicker]

Automatic interrupt?

[storm forum]

I'm thinking about bringing back the pvp focus kidney macro

[blazing tulip]

I woke up yesterday smh

[storm forum]

But I keep forgetting to

[fringe socket]

https://tenor.com/view/forsencd-gif-20256687

Automatic eh?

[pure moth]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[north vortex]

it kicks casters near you, regardless of focus or selected

[young flicker]

What’s that one look like?

[north vortex]

/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Kick 
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] 
/focus target
/cleartarget 
/targetenemy 
/cast Kick 
/target focus 
/clearfocus
/startattack```

[north vortex]

there you go

don't ask me how or why it works, it just does and it works for me

[sharp viper]

What kind of overcooked mess is that

[frosty cedar]

dark tech I guess

[north vortex]

like a legacy codebase, it works but dont touch it

try it out you wont be disappointed

[sharp viper]

The focus stuff could be replaced by targetlasttarget

[north vortex]

no clue, I am a copy paste goblin

[true tusk]

that's the same macro i linked last day because some people are saying its "leaked" by mdi/pro-players

for high keys

i think it's a meme

because this macro works, yeah, but its random kick

[north vortex]

yea pretty much
if there are multiple casters near you, its a gamble who you will hit

[quasi osprey]

its not fully random i think, it operates on tab logic so it will kick the leftmost cast first if there are several

[true tusk]

you can fix this taking macro for apply focus

then kick always the focus

[north vortex]

for low keys its enough but I can imagine pushing high keys you would want a mouseover

[true tusk]

100%

i linked this on my guildmates because they play at level to do 3-4 kicks in a run, so its better this macro than 3/4 kicks

for low keys works really well

[north vortex]

most of the time I do 10s-12s for vault and i cba to tryhard kicks in those levels tbh

[true tusk]

12 or less= low keys, so its enough

anyway, like i said you can fix it doing macro for apply focus, you bind this macro then put it on add you want always kick

works a little bit better

isnt like mouseover but near

[limpid quest]

ty

[frosty cedar]

[sharp viper]

Xdd witnessed

[opaque karma]

kekeke

[broken chasm]

Hey gonna be progressing dragons on Mythic for the first time today. Wanted to ask what should I be pressing on adds CR or FoK? i checked some logs and saw people using CT but figured Id ask the real pros

[pure moth]

I used cr

[night cipher]

same rules as M+ I use. one CT to spread, maybe 2. then fok envenom into boss

[cloud reef]

!pooling

[prisma monolith]

• Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
• Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found

[frosty cedar]

CT

also check your build, because the top logs will be using a pad build with sudden demise; if you are progressing, you should use a different build

[young flicker]

If use this macro and switch out “exists” with “harm” then will it kick my target if my focus is out of range?

I’d prefer to do a mod macro so I can kick the target or focus depending on whose casting, but idk how to do those

[solar eagle]

Can we have 1 seaosn where rogue is actually wanted in groups

[young flicker]

Rogue is fine rn

[solar eagle]

It's not about tha,t it's about being benched over dks and co

[lime lantern]

every phys comp wants a rogue, u are just playing wrong spec

[young flicker]

Are you pugging 20s?

Otherwise, not having issues getting picked up here

[grim jay]

less than 2% buff diff literally wont break the comp

nor make it significantly worse

[lime lantern]

tell that to people, i dont want to play outlaw and i sometimes get asked why am i not playing it

[grim jay]

then just wait for the glorious rise of sub

[rocky holly]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

outlaw

you know

the most replacable part of it

cus its the "free slot"

[fresh kelp]

nah man people really love atrophic

most desirable raid buff frfr

[grim jay]

especially in dungeons!

[royal lantern]

"phys comp" is the biggest cope in the game anyway

[waxen oyster]

yeah

"let me make a comp to buff myself"

[royal lantern]

mfs acting as if the buffs there make a giga difference

as if you would play it if the classes would be dogshit

[waxen oyster]

bfa

[royal lantern]

like, if warrior had a REALLY bad tier, would people still cope on their "phys comp"

[waxen oyster]

idk dps warriors complain almost as much

about lfg

instead of just making friends

[shy axle]

how do you play the tentacles on vice king in seat on higher key levels? Not sure whats the best approach

[solar wyvern]

Pray you have a tentacle killer in your comp

Assa bad at tentacles

[quiet star]

If it works it works

Currently it works

So where is cope really

[royal lantern]

people making a bigger deal out of it then it actually is

like, its just "warrior + Guys that benefit from Shout"

[quiet star]

It's kind of off meta comp, which is super cool to have with current magic meta

[royal lantern]

tf is "magic meta" even supposed to mean

[quiet star]

And it looks much better comp than literally broken specs combined together

[royal lantern]

like hello, 90% of the specs in this game are "magic" specs in their dmg type

[quiet star]

Devourer/unholy/demo + aug ofc

[royal lantern]

ah yes, they are played because they are "magic" specs

and not because they are the strongest dps options in the game right now

[quiet star]

They play because they are broken shit, but it is also a magic type of damage

[royal lantern]

mate, do you know how many specs in this game are physical?

[quiet star]

Just coincidence

Fully physical? Or what do you mean?

[fringe socket]

Bruh no they dont

[royal lantern]

i think its.....6?

idk if boomstick is physical

@warm vortex is boomstick physical dmg

[quiet star]

Almost, but still the bomb is fire

Not sure what % is it after rework

[lime lantern]

in 19s i see rogues chosen in phys comps A LOT and usually in general it is outlaw altho assa gets invite quite often as most of my invites come from phys comp groups

[quiet star]

Feral full phys, outlaw full phys, arms also

[warm vortex]

Yes

I thought it was fire

For a while

but it's phyisical

[quiet star]

Only bomb is magic

[warm vortex]

Yes i know

I saiw "i thought" it was
same logic as bomb

[warm vortex]

Not really

lunar storm is magic

but PL is better overall atm

for everything

[quiet star]

Ye, maybe, played pl mostly

[quiet star]

i guess you ignore that a lot of specs also can be hybrid

[warm vortex]

Nah it deffo is
PL is just much better damage and it's only gotten buffed while Sent is left behind
good thing cause they still (to my knowlege) haven't fixed the sent mark application for raptor swipe

[quiet star]

Like assa

[warm vortex]

anyway
Imma go back into my lil hiding hole

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/homestuck-sburb-sburbexe-mspa-mspfa-gif-17222277837913789362

[fringe socket]

Spent hours in q while getting my 19s done a few weeks ago, watching warriors leaders pick dh,lock and dks pretty much always. I cant think of a class who gets invited less, Rogue provides nothing unique, doesnt do the most dmg, not that hard to see why we arent picked

[royal lantern]

thats when you send them a random UwU-speech copypasta

establish dominance

its +19 keys, only degens do that, show them that you are a bigger one then they can imagine

[fringe socket]

Yes i pulled out all the tricks and flattery and it worked sometimes haha

[lime lantern]

i got no other classes to compare to as i only play rogue but getting invites as a rogue doesnt feel that bad atm. Perhaps there are more people playing 19s now and general opinion towards rogues is more favourable as we are seen more in top timed runs

[fringe socket]

Could be

I always felt its good but still wasnt often considered in phys comp ):

When i was playing more it was like this

Feel it prob still is

[royal lantern]

top 1,53%

[fringe socket]

[quiet star]

Would be nice to see that by spec

[fringe socket]

I think ive seen a spec circulating on x but cannot find

[sonic zinc]

its like this for all 16s

[fringe socket]

Deva down tremendously

[ember condor]

can you vanish the fear at any point in vaelgor?

[fringe socket]

Wish I could see 19+ but dont have premium

[young flicker]

Is unholy still turbo busted? Or have the nerfs brought them down to reality?

[crude wigeon]

idk but i have a frost dk in my raid doing insane numbas

[rigid cedar]

Just looking back through, is there a reason that we take Revelry over Tempted Fate? 30% chance to absorb 10% of any damage taken seems way better, even if unreliable, than 700 hp per coin flipped.. I'm at 416k unbuffed, 700 seems kinda like a drop in the very very very large bucket

[fresh kelp]

busted

[thorn thorn]

now show 19s

[sonic zinc]

woops thats only 19s

19s+

pretty much the same thing

[fringe socket]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-noting-listening-writing-write-that-down-gif-1206669466397048571

[thorn thorn]

Its literally the same bars

Thats funny

[royal lantern]

nah

[frosty cedar]

I really havent seen a devoker all expac tbh

[royal lantern]

ret is down

[golden loom]

havoc so underrated..

[royal lantern]

cus Aug is broken for no effort

[frosty cedar]

surely though like aug is not for every dps player

isnt it basically cuck chair simulator ?

[thorn thorn]

ye

[frosty cedar]

surely there must be dragon players that dont want to play aug

[thorn thorn]

Also as it turns out its not as easy as we say it is otherwise I wouldnt be getting logs of augs doing tank damage in 18+

(The difficulty is not being afk for half the key idk why people fuck it up so bad)

[thorn thorn]

Very hard spec

[frosty cedar]

... 25%....?

actually im not sure if thats high or normal lol

[thorn thorn]

well

most people will be around 5% so

[royal lantern]

there are not many evoker players

but a good chunk of FotM apes that go aug when aug is SSS+ Tier once again

[frosty cedar]

man nothing worse than 99% of fotm rollers

[thorn thorn]

fotm rerollers dont deserve basic human rights

[frosty cedar]

always always worse than your generic player

[thorn thorn]

I hate aug meta because it makes log reviews repetitive and annoying

Almost all of them are just afk

And are like omg I cast exactly what the streamer i watched did and I did less whats happening

Like no obviously you didnt, you went afk for 20 seconds after the opener

[latent kernel]

They should just make aug a pure dps spec, the amplification shit is just a nightmare for anyone doing any sort of analytics

[thorn thorn]

Not really

[royal lantern]

they should just delete aug

and the game will improve

[thorn thorn]

Its already pure dps nowadays

[latent kernel]

I’m just saying for most dps specs you can tell right off the meter if someone knows what they’re doing or not, as soon as you have an aug it gets convoluted and you don’t really know until you check logs

Because the meters are so bricked

[thorn thorn]

Thats also not true

With any spec the lower their damage the worse they are doing

Its not a mystery

[latent kernel]

Sure but where’s the parameters you’re using for aug

[thorn thorn]

If they are doing less than the healer chances are good they are shit

[latent kernel]

Like what’s your high value low value

[thorn thorn]

80k+ personal dam

Very easy to achieve in keys

And if its less they are either undergeared or AFK

[latent kernel]

So say they do 80k personal damage but fuck all in terms of amplifying you still wouldn’t know until you check logs

[thorn thorn]

But if they did 80k personal they wouldnt do fuck all in terms of amplifying

Thats not how the spec works

And if you actually knew anything about the spec you would know thats not how it works

[mossy blade]

youre checking logs after anyway

[thorn thorn]

The "amplifying" happens entirely naturally from them just playing the game

They dont do anything special for it

Objectively, if their personal damage is bad, their buff damage will also be bad

Thats just how it works

The "mystery" in how they perform is just DF brainrot

Doesnt work that way anymore

Its very cut and dry

If they are afk, their personal damage will be bad

And as a result so will their "amplified" damage

[jaunty stone]

you cant really have one without the other on aug, usually someone doing low personal damage is also contributing fuckall to buffs in dungeons due to how the kit of the spec works

[royal lantern]

hey

i just hate aug

its simple

[thorn thorn]

Valid

Just hating it is 10x more valid than just making shit up that isnt true

I have logs I can pull to backup this data

As can any other person that knows the spec

People doing low personal damage will have low buff damage too

And people like kess are doing more of both

We have had augs do terrible in 19s and 20s

And the review is the same every time

[mossy blade]

hating a spec for its design is equally braindead tbf

[royal lantern]

nah

fuck aug

[mossy blade]

its just completely unreasonable behaviour

not keeping up with how its design changed over the years, esp if you dont play with it, is natural

[royal lantern]

^

[jaunty stone]

dont hate the spec hate the players

[thorn thorn]

also true

Unless its mage

[jaunty stone]

aug players are terrorists

[thorn thorn]

Then hate both

[royal lantern]

and since DF DK

fuck DK players since that expansion

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

whiny bitches

[jaunty stone]

im in favor of giving aug functional meters just because it would plummed every player's view of the spec

[royal lantern]

reminder that Blizz literally doesnt want that

[jaunty stone]

nah

in a more recent interview

they said they'd look into it

but it still has technical limitations from the loghooks being bugged

[royal lantern]

i mean "we look into it" is just basic corpo speech

they said that during its release in DF aswell

[jaunty stone]

nah during df release they explicitly said it was a part of the spec's design

to be off meters

but a lot has changed since then

[royal lantern]

oh and as another random thing

we just noticed after 2 progs hours

that 5 of our Raiders lost the weekly raidbuff

like, just gone

[thorn thorn]

[mossy blade]

link log pls

[jaunty stone]

lmao

[mossy blade]

log or didnt happen

(log is for bug report so please do send)

[royal lantern]

can send after raid

they could fix it by logging into an alt and accepting the buff "quest" with that one

[fresh kelp]

you can currently lose vantus for the week if you pvp

as another warning

[thorn thorn]

game that works

[fresh kelp]

"For the remainder of your raid week, we recommend relying on standard consumables like flasks and food to maximize your performance! "

[mossy blade]

dont forget to ping, or gimme guild name then ill look myslef in the meantime

[shy axle]

is the difference between assa and outlaw in high keys really that big? Heard twice today that its 10%+ difference.Thought (especially after the nerfs to cloud) that they are quite interchangeable dmg wise.

but idk, did not follow the discussion the last 2 weeks

[spice surge]

Either of the 3 specs are fine

Theyre about the same

[opaque karma]

is it still better to pool energy b4 kings bane to send max envenoms or does it not increase the envenom dam anymore

[frosty cedar]

it doesnt really matter, its not a gain to pool and its not a loss to pool

for kingsbane

[analog field]

you need 2 envs for it to be ok

one before and one a bit after

last seconds of KB don't matter that much

[gaunt herald]

does the sim account for the void ring buff?

[royal lantern]

yes

[iron thorn]

i'm playing assa on paladins

because with 5 healers atrophic sounds like a good idea for RL

[severe meadow]

assa is fine

[iron thorn]

but i wanted to play aug

[severe meadow]

e-girl spec

[iron thorn]

you see my profile pic?

[severe meadow]

no I can't see

[iron thorn]

haha

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn is my favorite e-girl

[iron thorn]

love rox

[thorn thorn]

hewwo

[frosty cedar]

man why have they got to put a council boss in every time

[thorn thorn]

I have been summoned

[frosty cedar]

lets retire council bosses

[severe meadow]

Council can be fun

Paladins not fun

[frosty cedar]

what was a fun council boss

[severe meadow]

Listen.. I said can be

[frosty cedar]

[iron thorn]

heard council of blood was liked

[severe meadow]

Also more fun if you just don't play fucking melee

[thorn thorn]

primal council

[frosty cedar]

council of blood is a distant memory for me from ye olden days

all I remember was that god awful invulnerability shield

on the guy youd open on

like 10 seconds in

or something diabolical

[severe meadow]

Council of blood was pretty fun

but that was because of the dance

and watching people fuck it up

[iron thorn]

sashay right

[thorn thorn]

aberrus didnt exactly have a traditional council boss

[iron thorn]

shimmy left

[frosty cedar]

boogie down

[thorn thorn]

But then we got council of dreams

And that was a warcrime

[frosty cedar]

honestly the fact that there was a duck role

instantly failed boss

[thorn thorn]

correct

it fails for other reasons but duck role took the cake

Easily in the top 3 least enjoyable encounters they have ever made

[severe meadow]

Paladins is in my top 3

xd

[frosty cedar]

cant be as bad as playing ranged vs silken coiurt

[thorn thorn]

I like paladins tbh

But also im biased

[severe meadow]

have you done it on mythic

[thorn thorn]

I aug on paladins so

[iron thorn]

yeah rox plays a fun spec on that boss

[severe meadow]

[thorn thorn]

aotc jail perma

[severe meadow]

it was cursed because after we killed Paladins

all of our ranged players was like

"fun boss"

and all of the melee was so fucking happy to be off it

I liked DHs more than Paladins tbh

[frosty cedar]

crikey

yeah I played ranged for DHs and it was giga chill

destro lock auto havoc just spamming on one guy

[iron thorn]

chaos bolt go brrr

[severe meadow]

Low key kinda burnt out on WoW rn

Been doing Pokemon nuzlocke runs xd

[iron thorn]

i'm so bored by the pve content i do rn

that i started a pvp char

[severe meadow]

I prob won't play after this season, not really liking the direction of the game rn

[iron thorn]

been going well so far

[severe meadow]

8 - 30 ratio

[iron thorn]

nah 8-22

[severe meadow]

oh yeah

lemme know when you're queing so I can get on

[iron thorn]

but yeah, going straight into pvp on a spec you've never touched

always a good idea

but arms is fun

[severe meadow]

uhh I think arms is doing okay rn

I think they buffed it

[iron thorn]

i'm kinda bad at pvp in general tho

[severe meadow]

Yeah I also don't PvP much at all

[iron thorn]

did 1.8k in shuffle twice

[severe meadow]

I did back in Cata but that was 35 years ago

[thorn thorn]

just like me frfr

[iron thorn]

first took me 380 rounds, so like 63 shuffles as disc

[toxic ginkgo]

So we running deathstalker?

[thorn thorn]

Jay did you miss yesterday

[severe meadow]

no

[severe meadow]

What happened

[iron thorn]

and 2nd took me 180 rounds on havoc iirc

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr called me a dumbass and we had a long convo

[iron thorn]

havc was fucking fun

[thorn thorn]

About gelato and some other things

[severe meadow]

So an average day

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

#assassination message

Went on for a hilarious amount of time

[severe meadow]

I need not go any beyond this

[thorn thorn]

It goes further

[mossy blade]

not another equinox incident...

[silk merlin]

what in the hell is wrong with this log? me and hunter just parse below 0 in a key? xd

[iron thorn]

sometimes happens when the thing is not processed or locked in yet

[thorn thorn]

@mossy blade pls fix

[sharp fable]

why is it that assasination sims so much lower in the dungeon slice sim comapred to outlaw / sub

[mossy blade]

its not below 0, its - (absence), meaning a cached value couldnt get retrieved in time

check the rankings tab instead

[silk merlin]

thanks for the quick solution, never seen that happen before haha

the key didnt go that bad i guess

[lone pasture]

bro pinged Mr wcl

[iron thorn]

so what is that new cool thing i've heard about now? that exboss addon?

[silk merlin]

tried it, it fcked the whole ui. double timelines in keys. horrible addon

[mossy blade]

its the latest ai slop on the block

[iron thorn]

when i heard its originally chinese i had to think of that drunk undercover raidleading vid by max

[balmy condor]

Because that’s just how it goes for simming the same situation across specs. Some fight styles favor a spec or don’t favor a spec, and sims are inherently really bad at comparing specs to each other, that’s not their intended goal, nor their designed use case

[coral ibex]

i dont fuck with that chinese shit

[mossy blade]

despite almost all of the functionality being available in other addons some content creators are shilling it

• because they hate fps
• because 1 addon is somehow better than multiple addons
• because exwind is well connected

[balmy condor]

Waiter waiter more slop pls

[mossy blade]

sorry busy pouring it over your gfs feet atm

you can get it after

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-patrick-star-peak-cinema-absolute-cinema-gif-2419960068189387292

[sick sail]

Friend of mine might be able to get me into mythic raiding for the first time for chim and possibly 1-3 bosses from the raid but they want strictly assa, I main sub, wowhead good enough to read what’s up? I know I need to swap to some crit and use puzzle

[balmy condor]

Idk that wowhead writer is a known foot guy

His chim parse sucks too

[mossy blade]

wanting stricly assa is a bit sus

[balmy condor]

And he looks like a weird mushroom when he shaves

[balmy condor]

Idk maybe they want him to play the worst spec on the fight to put him in an underdog position

Facing adversity is character building

[mossy blade]

you seem to know a lot about dog positions

[balmy condor]

I just be barking and shit man

Living my best life

[sick sail]

hahahahhaa

love it

[severe meadow]

"I just be barking and shit man" is a solid quote for this year so far

[balmy condor]

My rank 1 chim on assa looks absolutely pathetic compared to sub and outlaw ngl

[silk merlin]

boss damage is what matters fck the parse

[severe meadow]

What if I told you sub did more boss damage

[balmy condor]

I wish I could cope about that but assa isn't even like firmly better boss damage

[silk merlin]

greed and still sit boss reguardless of adds

[balmy condor]

like sub does more boss damage on chim for sure

but the sub players are trying to powder spam to parse

[crude helm]

Isn’t the assa boss damage thing partly bc you just don’t leave boss?

[balmy condor]

depends on the boss

on chim, definitely

[thorn thorn]

heat

[crude helm]

Like if it was real boss damage you’d play it on lura

[balmy condor]

jokes on you, I am gonna play it on lura

[crude helm]

Let’s go

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr has there been a boss you could not play assa for

[crude helm]

Run Demise

And snipe crystals

[balmy condor]

what's your definitely of could not

[drifting cloud]

it was pretty bad on raszageth early on

[balmy condor]

definition

[drifting cloud]

you did less dmg in intermission than tank

[balmy condor]

yeah there has been insanely few times where I've been physically pushed off of assa

[thorn thorn]

Had to swap specs to get progress

[balmy condor]

rasz was one of them

[thorn thorn]

understandable

[balmy condor]

I think an argument could be made for early prog smolderon as well

but by the time the majority of the community got there

it was kinda whatever

[drifting cloud]

nah was fine on smold imo

[lone pasture]

probably would've been bullied if u played assas on zekul

[drifting cloud]

boss was mostly a live check, but yeah sub did turbo crank that boss

but assa still did same dmg as most of your raid

[balmy condor]

I don't remember anything about this guild

that's how old bfa is

[lone pasture]

[drifting cloud]

arent those trinkets from palace

[cinder mountain]

what is your go to in that case

[balmy condor]

sub

[balmy condor]

idk I just opened bfa logs