assassination

[gilded oasis]

but maybe also just take a few to breathe and not do that

[storm forum]

my bit is that i gquit 3-6 times a tier though

[gilded oasis]

oh shit I love that bit

hits every time

[storm forum]

im gonna go take a shower and a nap

[gilded oasis]

yeah do that

[storm forum]

and maybe ill be less mad

[gilded oasis]

maybe a quick walk around the block

[radiant otter]

the 53 is because it's "points & level" category, so it's weighting your dps with your io score from it. here's a random 17 mc log with someone doing less dps but 1:30 faster so their score was higher https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nKzWQZq64cyRAGLw?fight=2&type=damage-done

[quiet star]

Oooooh, thx

[radiant otter]

m+ logs are simply scuffed because there are never enough of them and they have so many variables to do easy comparisons

[runic hinge]

This whole tier until 2 weeks ago someone was lusting first global and I was getting annoyed

[gilded oasis]

like it doesn't matter (probably), but it's also so irrationally irritating. It is one of the things I've tried to let go. I just listen to Stu WOOOOOO and it grounds me

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean lust is longer than our cds so it shouldn’t matter I just think of it buffing useless setup globals for everyone and I’m like why are we doing this

[gilded oasis]

reee

[full bear]

Somehow the logs didn't get logged and I'm miffed lol

I'll try it later

[thorn thorn]

There is no mystery to solve

Its just arcane and them forgetting to make touch not double dip with damage amps

If you look at logs in P1 arcane is top damage to them by a mile and like 60% of their damage in that phase is just from touch

[storm forum]

Yeah

We figured that out

But someone didn't wanna be wrong about it

And now I'm mad again

[thorn thorn]

Just send them this and show them the touch breakdown

And if they still have a problem call them dented and learn how data works

[thorn thorn]

dafuq even is this

[foggy juniper]

its impossible to get invited into pos 10 i spent 2 hours today just signing up to pos 10 with 269ilvl 🙁

[crystal delta]

probably due to your "low" ilvl -

there will almost always be 270-280 ilvl ppl signing

[foggy juniper]

true but i need to bonus roll in there xD

[crystal delta]

best chance is queue up with friends or play your own key and hope for pit 😄

[foggy juniper]

yea such a shame 🙁

[spice surge]

So does everybody else im afraid

[thorn thorn]

Congrats if you are a character of mail or leather armor that wants crit haste half of your best items are from there

gg

[royal lantern]

i love that midnight made every single spec in the game haste + crit

[verbal sable]

its not bad

[balmy condor]

at least vers sucks for everyone

that's the one good thing

[viscid spear]

The Red Dragonflight NPC in Algeth'ar Academy

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hachiware-chiikawa-happy-stimpy-flapping-arms-gif-82452333563293721

[thorn thorn]

Thank god

Cuz if we had another DF situation of like OMG HASTE OMEGABISS FOR TANKINESS REEEEEEEEEEE I was gonna die irl

[quiet star]

ffs 3600 rsham died on vordaza because of staying where souls spawns

like what those people smoking

that's potentially the most dumb death in this dungeon

[static plank]

New rogue as alt. Next week ill have 8 bonus rolls. What dungeon should I use them all on?

Is there 1 dungeon that can work so I get everything

I want to main Assassination

[balmy condor]

pit

[static plank]

Ok

Ty

[quiet star]

yeah POS is actually a shop with items for rogues

[latent kernel]

Play the risk game and send them on algethar first for puzzle box

[stuck lodge]

Tip for actually getting into pit though?

If you aren't like 2.7k io and 275ilvl getting invites to other peoples pits is uhh

hard

[balmy condor]

2.7k 275 ilvl wouldn't have gotten you an invite 4 weeks ago

[stuck lodge]

I'm doing okay with 2.8k io and 280 on my rogue, but my warrior has like 4 bonus rolls and no way to get into pit to use em

other than praying my key goes there

[balmy condor]

yeh

such is life as a pug gamer

[viscid spear]

I'm 2.7k with 278 ilvl and have to spend a hour to find a Pit key.

[true tusk]

life like a pug gamer its a shit

the better way its push ur key

[viscid spear]

[balmy condor]

yeh most people are like 3.1-3.2 and 283+

[viscid spear]

[true tusk]

3.3 here and just because I've had bad luck with the loot and stayed at 281ilvl I've already noticed the drop in opportunities, especially being an assa rogue, since most of them, as you say, are at least 283 or more

[latent kernel]

I would be 289 if no crest cap

Dumb blizzardino

[waxen oyster]

you can always tank

pit route is kinda self explanatory

[stuck lodge]

Hmm, I suppose I could, just gotta find a 1h and shield

[waxen oyster]

i mean if you go to a place alot of people are bonus rolling

bunch of 283+ queuers

[latent kernel]

You could always try the old “I have pizza and boobs” in the application box

That has worked for me a few times

[true tusk]

for me works put apply like sub or outlaw and then change spec before pull 10

[alpine lion]

Should I be using a full Envenom before I go into the Death Mark + Kingsbane combo or just go for it?

[balmy condor]

5cp yep

[alpine lion]

Awesome, thanks.

[true tusk]

Professor Whispyr how much dps you can lose in % if you dont do envenom before dm + kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

like 0.8%

[true tusk]

It could be a substantial difference at the end of the run… it’s just that I sometimes forget

especially in academy or pit

[latent kernel]

Lock in twin

[patent leaf]

Is it better to CT spam to spread bleeds and overcap cp on big pulls or am i losing out on caustic splatter 0.o?

[subtle tundra]

mfuck you?

[rugged basalt]

Had the worst key I ever played this season and still ++’d it

Genuinely embarrassed but big number go plus me happy

[rugged basalt]

Nah you definitely envenom on 5+ always

[buoyant herald]

ooof easy one bang nullaeus ??

ilvl kinda trivialises that

[rugged basalt]

Is it easier to solo now

[buoyant herald]

yeah, no special strat or anything

didn't hold cds for spawns

didn't even tricks valeera

just played the game

[rugged basalt]

Lmao I’ll try it over the weekend for funsies

[buoyant herald]

i knew the fight from having cheesed it on resto sham

[rugged basalt]

I knew the fight from just party queuing it

[buoyant herald]

its 30 myth and 60 hero crests above cap, def worth it

[shell crater]

hold up did the internal bleeding spread get fixed?

[normal mist]

Lura HC progress today...

20% best pull, never reached p3

[tall atlas]

Just starting on rogue again, are we jumping between sin and Ol for high keys or is it just sin all the way?

[spice surge]

All 3 are pretty solid, you can play whichever you prefer

[lime edge]

93% parse on mythic chim with a pug

not bad

[thorn thorn]

Heroic?

[normal mist]

Read again

xD

[thorn thorn]

wtf is hc

[normal mist]

HEROIC!

[thorn thorn]

oh

ya bruv

Finally someone else gets the pain of doing heroic lura in a casual guild

[warm cloud]

Is assasination fun to play in openworld? Questing/wq etc?

[normal mist]

we're failing p2 gard

[normal mist]

your worst problem is not having a keyboard for openworld questing wq

[thorn thorn]

we die to crystals

[warm cloud]

Meaning that its not a problem at all haha

Warmode on ofc :))

[normal mist]

all our p2 deaths have been crystals yeah, sometimes crystal holder has to drop because line

someone panics and picks it up and...

[thorn thorn]

Oh no not those

[normal mist]

guess whats

[thorn thorn]

I meant the ones you have to dps

[normal mist]

oh

thats p1?

[thorn thorn]

yep

[normal mist]

i havnet seen p3

[thorn thorn]

[normal mist]

we have 2 dks

[thorn thorn]

we saw intermission once

and like 2 seconds of p2

[normal mist]

crystals are alive for 5 seconds

[thorn thorn]

We also have 2dks but our crystal damage is uh

[solar lynx]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[warm cloud]

Sorry royal for the stupid questions haha, been out of retail for a while.. came back like 2 weeks ago :))

[normal mist]

No worries, the game is extremely simplified for the casual players

[warm cloud]

I see, i came from tbc. So gave it a shot

[normal mist]

yeah classes might be easier to play now than they were in tbc lol

[normal mist]

Thats dmg to crystals correct? if you have dks, the ones far away should be insta grip to lura, and just AoEd down wtf

[warm cloud]

Played frost mage, sub rogue in tbc arena so yea haha xD

[thorn thorn]

yup

Damage to crystals

[normal mist]

Crystals with that comp should be absolutely destroyed wtf

[thorn thorn]

yup

im in enh jail cuz skyfury

But I literally cannot do anymore

even with me sending puzzlebox and pot on the 2nd set which always gets us

I still cant break them

[normal mist]

this was the best attempts we had, entering p3 with like 1 guy alive. That's dmg to crystals

[thorn thorn]

god bless those shadow priests for trying

[drifting cloud]

just do the cheese strat where you dont get 2nd crystals

[normal mist]

Are crystals really a problem?

[drifting cloud]

helped my friends because they were like 11 man

so 50% would have to carry one

[normal mist]

fair

[thorn thorn]

So far carrying the crystals isnt the hard part

Hasnt shown to be an issue yet

We keep dieing to not killing crystals tho

[normal mist]

wait for p2

xD

[thorn thorn]

im dreading it

we also like

lose 2 people minimum to every glaives cast

even with RL announcing every set

[normal mist]

idk if this helps but these were our tries so far

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7yD3CmPd2WZx19tR?fight=20&type=damage-done

[viscid spear]

Killed it on Tuesday, some reason it's back

[lavish frost]

Sounds Like a Star wars story

[onyx coyote]

Does aoe blind just not work for Lu'ra's interupt orb phase?

[latent kernel]

is elusiveness ever worth using on paladins?

[spark prairie]

hello i encountered this grp of people that vote kick people for fun in leveling dungeons, 3 people got kicked during a single dungeon, they say last guy was toxic so kick him and con ppl, i also got kicked right before last boss wastng 20 mins and 30 mins deserter on top, is there a way to report these people? one of them was Snyda- Outland

[bronze panther]

Write on general forums on blizzard website bro

[spark prairie]

ok ty

[oak ember]

Make a reddit post about it you will fit right in

[spark prairie]

you sound like you fit in that group of people right in

[viscid spear]

[normal mist]

A shitty situation but what can you do

[old halo]

people keep telling me to get gud? how does one get gud?

[normal mist]

You tell yourself in the mirror that you're gud

[old halo]

does a fancy hat help?

[drifting cloud]

doesnt hurt

[static plank]

Whats the worst race for rogue

[topaz fulcrum]

dracthyr

[mortal crag]

Mechagnome cause they look fuckn shit

[topaz fulcrum]

for same reason as jello

[thorn thorn]

drac get glide at least

[topaz fulcrum]

Its so cursed seeing dracthyr as rogue or warrior

[mortal crag]

Mecha racial talents are like pretty solid too

They are just too weird though

[clear knoll]

What enchants do we use on weapons?

[normal mist]

www.raidbots.com

[viscid spear]

[onyx veldt]

hmm

how do we play fallen-king?

[coral ibex]

aoe blind doesn't work on mythic lura interrupts

fmcl

[onyx veldt]

nooj help

[mortal crag]

Do they work on normal?

[onyx veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[coral ibex]

pretty sure it worked on heroic

[coral ibex]

copy wowhead build or r1 wcl build

thats what i do

NOBODY SAW THE INTERRUPT ANCHOR LETS GOOOOO

LITERALLY NOBODY SAW IT

[onyx veldt]

i dont see puzzle box in logs?

[coral ibex]

what

[onyx veldt]

timelines

i meant

[coral ibex]

oh thats lorrgs

lorrgs.io

[onyx veldt]

ok okay sorry

[coral ibex]

pretty sure its just send on cd

[onyx veldt]

yeaaaa

but like

what about orbs

[coral ibex]

nobody is pressing puzzle box other than with cds

[onyx veldt]

when do i swap to 2nd

and also if u send CDS early it doesnt line up with intermssion after no?

[coral ibex]

everyone is just sending on cd

and i guarantee none of them are sending cds on an orb

they're probably just getting good cleave because their raid is bad

[onyx veldt]

ty kind sir

[coral ibex]

gl

[onyx veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-salut-salute-بسبس-تحيه-gif-11022171827428701157

[coral ibex]

i hate cleave steal bosses

[onyx veldt]

same

[nova kelp]

Do we have a list of things in the current vs/march that atro actually does shit for?

[onyx veldt]

me no like this boss

[digital elk]

#assassination message

That's what whispyr provided for atrophic effectiveness

[coral ibex]

obviously triangle is pants

[coral ibex]

gz

[onyx veldt]

tyy

Im scared of dragons

https://tenor.com/view/donald-duck-ducktales-ducktales2017-house-of-the-lucky-gander-gulp-gif-21467706

[viscid spear]

I can't even kill Heroic L'ura

[plain thistle]

@coral ibex beloren dead, on our first try at second p2

terrible dps, really good boss dps at least

because i fucked up 2 kb, where it doesnt matter much

[fallow canopy]

if you don't do terrible overall but great egg damage are you really killing belo'ren

[coral ibex]

mid pack overall tied for top egg dam

[severe meadow]

dragons easy

[coral ibex]

[severe meadow]

paladins awful

[onyx veldt]

idk the fight

imma fuck around and find out

[plain thistle]

yeah

[severe meadow]

put fear in right spot

soak orb

boss die

[fallow canopy]

260k egg dmg 90k overall (with old sub with cloud)

[severe meadow]

backshot the intermission add

[plain thistle]

did you guys saved cds for second egg? we used on boss to transition before the third soak, but I didnt use, was trying to protect the boss kekw

[coral ibex]

yes

well i did

[hazy sundial]

Egg dps is the only important dps

[plain thistle]

well, not anymore, because they added 10s seconds

you can do so much dps on the first p2 that it can be killed with less cds

[plain thistle]

yeah same, glad i saved my cd, boss wasnt going to die otherwise i think

[grave nova]

theres no rotational differences between sudden demise and non right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[teal kettle]

I will be so glad when puzzle box is gone

I feel like I have to do so much setup before I can do damage on every pull

[onyx veldt]

yes.

[teal kettle]

there's like 8 gcds at the start of a pull before sin starts actually doing damage I hate it

[hazy sundial]

So it is well known that bleed build is dead for any competitive content. But what exactly killed it? Is it one talent removal or accumulation of multiple things?

[coral ibex]

the most damaging bleed was removed

rip spender ct

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/emotiguy-salute-joe-hi-emotiguy-joe-salute-gif-12916449566301630787

[teal kettle]

btw what could possibly be the point of negotiable contract if your kingsbane doesn't spread to the next target on death too

[fallow canopy]

its a dead talent that maybe in a couple seasons will get the cloud cover treatment 🥀

[teal kettle]

it's just insane they put it into the game as is, on the node it's on

[hazy sundial]

That’s called ramp up and we love it

[teal kettle]

it's a lil too much ramp for me I think with box + new CT lol

[coral ibex]

too much ramp and its literally faster than tww

[hazy sundial]

It ramps up pretty nicely

[severe meadow]

[tight ginkgo]

pressing fok

and getting a single combo point

makes me feel immense pain and sadness

[tall atlas]

What website is this again

[tight ginkgo]

Lorrgs

[tall atlas]

Thank you

[balmy condor]

sudden demise going into midnight was nerfed from 15% bleed damage to 10% bleed damage

that's the main thing

[tall atlas]

Not played in a while just getting back to it ❤️

[balmy condor]

the damage we "lost" from ct turning into a bleed actually rolled into garrote and rupture

pretty heavily

so like we lost a bit of bleed damage

but directly nerfing the talent hurts

[tall atlas]

Is CT gone gone?

[tight ginkgo]

now it is a builder used to spread bleeds

[grave nova]

Assassination kinda fucks in bigger keys compared to sub

How comparable is the dps to outlaw?

[hollow mesa]

when do we send 2nd KB on Vorasius?

[hazy sundial]

Outlaw is overtuned. Always better than Assa

[plain thistle]

what do you mean? on cd on boss

you dont kill adds

[coral ibex]

yea if you get fixated just cry

[viscid spear]

If you get targeted just go stand on wall and continue dpsing boss

Turn slightly towards the add if you want to keep the illusion

[storm forum]

paladins can suck my dick

this fight sucks

[thorn thorn]

goated emoji

[severe meadow]

it would be a lot better if every mechanic wasn't yellow

[teal kettle]

yellow is best color tho

[thorn thorn]

yellow is the color of piss

[coral ibex]

yea if you love piss

[thorn thorn]

Thats why people play rogue

Cuz they love piss

[teal kettle]

maybe if more people appreciated yellow things i'd get invited to 19s

[rotund oak]

weirdos

[thorn thorn]

Only yellow thing I appreciate is damage numbers

[rapid patio]

hello! i have a question: during your big burst, when do you tend to use the algathar trinket? after spreading bleeds and before DM/KB?

[marsh fjord]

Should be after your envenom and before your DM

[rapid patio]

did not see that picture, thanks!

[storm forum]

where is whispyr's "you hammer guzzling freak" meme?

cause thats me rn

[buoyant herald]

it does depend a bit, on higher keys you can spread bleeds first but on low keys baby mobs will be mostly dead before you really start cranking

or your prio mob will be half dead before you hit KB if you spread all bleeds

[rotund oak]

streaming

still no whispyrcat anywhere

[severe meadow]

The bird effect

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

[coral ibex]

bro i dont even get a parse % in the lura wipes

[clear knoll]

They should make it to where we can move while solving the puzzle 😭

[worn geyser]

i think they should double the length of the puzzle, make me solve an on-screen google captcha click the cross walk

[twilit lagoon]

Could I get some eyes on my log? I could make excuses left and right but I feel like at this point I have to be doing something egregiously wrong. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XpMZabNGRYKr3cgJ?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=17&modal=fight-selection

I was in group 1, so going down on first charge, and RL wanted us in full ST.

[worn geyser]

no spatter = no pad = no parse

no CT either to spread dots to adds in down phase is cooked as well

[sick marsh]

You could vanish garrote one time early in the fight

[golden loom]

hows da prog going

[golden loom]

well first of all full ST is griefing

you give up like no single target at all picking up spatter and tempest

just comparing garrote damage between your and one of my logs

[worn geyser]

i had to do a night of lura as sub tonight instead of sin , but with no guidon that feels not fun im hopnig i can sneak back to sin before nooj kills lmao

tho sub was kinda cranking ngl my boss dmg was alot higher in p1 somehow

[golden loom]

assa will have the same spike as feral druid dw, just wait until 9 min into the fight

[coral ibex]

"i think my icons are wrong"

[twilit lagoon]

Your garrote damage on chim is like 50% higher than mine, too

[golden loom]

it doesnt make up all of it ofc, but my highest point of damage was not sending deathmark at 4 min and instead holding it for 5min cds with 2nd pot in execute

sadly no longer possible with how fast kill timers are

[worn geyser]

yeah ive tried explaining a bit, but im also trialing and our group is lacking 3rd crystal set dam and despite it not really being because of me id rather ig try it out till they actually fix the real issues with the 3rd set crystal dam other than my spec lol then ill swap back prolly

but ye idk hopefully can swap back, i finally got a heroic gaze today a week before i get it guaranteed from mythic chim .. lmao

[golden loom]

my rogues hero gaze was from the heroic cache weekly early on

[worn geyser]

my rogues trinkets have been poverty for so long, i was farming even hero beloren every week for the plume just so i had something decent

[golden loom]

I got myth gaze in the first bonus roll thankfully

my warrior got it in its first vault after killing chim and so did my dk

[worn geyser]

lets play spot my sin rogue on mythic beloren T_T

i played like ass tho wasnt trinket gap prolly

[golden loom]

my dk has sadly missed 3 bonus rolls so far on guidon

[worn geyser]

damn idk how many things are in loot pool, prolly guaranteed next week tho right

[golden loom]

ye theres 4 items

[worn geyser]

well at least ur gaze roll is a 1/3 on it when u get there

[golden loom]

that gaze is myth track

[worn geyser]

wtf

damn

[golden loom]

im just holding crests on all alts for discount achieve

1 upgrade away from it... somehow haven't gotten it

[worn geyser]

ah thats smart, i fucked up my crests crazy hard early on this season, cause ngl didnt think i would even be raiding that much this tier so i just sent crests perma, so missed a bunch of discounts from getting m raid drops

[golden loom]

actually 2 i think somehow, even have myth cloak and myth ring in bags

but I had 4 weeks of socket -> socket -> guidon (just to save 20 crests) -> bonus roll tokens from vault

so I guess it makes sense

[worn geyser]

u wanna trade gear

[golden loom]

(I did buy boe legs and boots to be fair)

also have gotten both as drops afterwards

[worn geyser]

wtf that is insane ive only seen 1 drop for anyone so far

[golden loom]

yeah I joined the march of queldanas boe farm on 5 chars every week

[worn geyser]

damn i do it on my rogue but i only have my 1 rogue rn, i been slacking on getting 'deleteoutlaw' and 'removeoutlaw' leveled up

[golden loom]

boots sold for 1,25m and legs for 800k and I bought my boots for 500k from someone who wanted cash fast and then legs for 750k

[worn geyser]

crazy luck lol

[golden loom]

btw salhadaar was surprisingly easy to pug, we 1 shot it with 3 dps dead (me included) for most of the fight

[worn geyser]

yeah i bet, its prolly just rng on tanks or not, think dps role on that fight is easy

[golden loom]

ye for sure, I just died to a kamikaze spike running around

[worn geyser]

i need to reclear that this weekend for gear, but my guild is just perma lura no reclear, so prolly gonna have to pug it maybe

and pray i do not hit a guidon to give me a reason to play sub

[golden loom]

yeah I am praying we kill alleria on sunday so I can start pugging voidspire on rogue

[worn geyser]

i still havent even killed paladins or crown, they just shipped me straight into belo so my prog looks funny on my character

how does the loot for that work even, cause usually a later boss unlocks the previous bosses so u cant snipe it via vault right, but since its 3 different raids does it like limit my pool of items

[golden loom]

ye u cant get crown or paladins loot even if u kill lura I think

not 100% sure but I think it works like that

[worn geyser]

w tech, sit those out till i get lura ring from vault gg

[golden loom]

I might also just be making that the fuck up

[worn geyser]

tbh prolly not many characters are in that situation, probably mostly only tanks of some kind

like a tank druid getting a beloran kill but their other tank on crown etc

[rugged basalt]

gm

Wtf the backread

[sonic zinc]

ye u wont get later void boss loot bc separate raids

[ancient ingot]

Guys can I ask , I’m so bad or warlocks out of control, so hard to be ahead on dps meter, they always like 20k ahead, it’s ok? I’m playing 18s

[buoyant herald]

demo locks pretty good yeah sure

[analog hedge]

god

aug makes me feel like im a god dps

kinda want a pocket aug now

[subtle tundra]

kinda want to pocket jerk

[analog hedge]

AYO

[thorn thorn]

uwu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9qx5f3k.gif

[analog hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-reaction-eyebrows-huh-surprised-gif-6951369832830742716

that gif is slowly living rent free in my head 😭

[subtle tundra]

🖕

[shell quail]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[thorn thorn]

Very good

[normal mist]

I have a question about lura hc p2 soaks

Doing cardinal lines, where should the lines be exactly pointed at

[royal lodge]

You aim at the orbs actually

You do 3 times the lazer, and there are 12 orbs

You need to aim them all

[normal mist]

That's not the question

It seems that a orb will be on the cardinal lines every soak

[royal lodge]

I guess you aim cardinal lines so the attraction is manageable?

[normal mist]

But

I've heard:
1 slightly to the left of the cardinal
2 center of the cardinal
3 slightly to the right of the cardinal

But also heard

1 and 2 straight to cardinal and 3 adjust

[royal lodge]

I think you overthink it a bit. You can aim lines "North South, East West" and just move a bit to be 100% sure to line up with an orb

[normal mist]

If I have a correct order, it's easier to tell my guild how to do it

wing it isn't a solution

I'll demonstrate

[royal lodge]

What is your question then?

Attraction is easier with picture 2

[normal mist]

If the line is pointed directly at the cardinal, will it hit consistently or not

[royal lodge]

Yes theoratically, if you it cardinal first time, since orbs are moving at the same pace, you will hit each wave with same placement.

[normal mist]

Okay, that's awesome

Now I can tell those (lovely) monkeys to just sit at mark

[royal lodge]

But teaching your raid group that way is more susceptible to error

[wide berry]

Timing is different from mythic just tell them to plant cardinals and adjust

[normal mist]

That's fine

[wide berry]

It's like a tiny asjustment

My guild has legit been winging orbs p2 and we pass most times

[royal lodge]

Tell them to it an orb, no matter what

[golden loom]

gonna kill mythic lura before hc lura

[amber sun]

was doing some keys on DK today and every Rogue i played with had the crafted Dagger in MH and higher ilvl in OH

did they change something? im i the stupid one?

[golden loom]

no

highest ilvl dagger always in mh

they are trolling

[frosty cedar]

it was they who were the stupid ones

[amber sun]

y thats waht i thught but wanted to check if i trolled them now by telling them^^

[quiet star]

That explains why I never get a group

People think we dumb

(didn't use oils for a week because I thought it can't be used with poisons)

[amber sun]

in calssic that would be the case^^

[wild mesa]

we always sim Dungeon Slice for M+ ?

[slim estuary]

in low keys would you play sudden demise over dragon tempered blades?

[spice surge]

If you want to you can

Debatable whether its better or not, but its fun

[slim estuary]

apparently it did 11% overall but on some AOE packs it was 25%

pretty good

[analog field]

yeah but it is pointless dmg

your meter looks bigger but it is a ''waste''

[normal mist]

Big pp tho

[analog field]

how do you know ?

[subtle tundra]

guys

if it gives you more fun to play it

then play it

[radiant otter]

it's not pointless, it kills the mobs faster

it's pointless in that it rearranges the damage meter colors

[subtle tundra]

but dont go around saying its good

🫩

[analog field]

it is pointless cause you are doing 150% of dmg instead of 100

[subtle tundra]

its only good when doing piss content where you could scratch your balls and sniff your hand mid pull

[radiant otter]

but it kills the mobs faster, which is the point

[zinc frost]

The best kind

[analog field]

no because you trade ST dmg which is way more important for key timer

[radiant otter]

not in low content that people would use it in

[analog field]

in low content nothing matters

just go in without talents who cares

[radiant otter]

people are doing low content because it's faster so talents that kill the mobs faster are good

[analog field]

yes but in such keys bosses take longer than the 5 sec you saved from trashpack

[radiant otter]

the "sanguine demise is pointless" argument is based on the idea that you're stealing damage from other classes and rearranging it to rogues' but it does actually kill the mobs faster, which is a valid and good reason to play it

they don't tho

[analog field]

the damage you are dealing in aoe saves like 5 sec

[radiant otter]

multiplied by every trash pull in the dungeon?

[analog field]

and especially if you are playing around it

and using cd's etc to proc it

half of the time this trash that you killed with sd gets pulled onto next pack

so it would die anyway

[radiant otter]

not even true because your damage is basically wasted on low content, which is everyone's complaint in the first place

you're applying 30 second bleeds on stuff that dies in like 10 seconds and sd causes you to actually deal and get credited with that damage

you're overrating how long low level content bosses take to kill and underrating what that does. it's pointless because it rearranges damage in a way that doesn't help or matters on real content

i haven't played it since tww2 but it was goated in heroic weeks so you should probably actually understand the argument being made against it when people say "it's pointless"

[analog field]

huh ?

in tww it was better than the other build wtf

[golden loom]

and it was never about sudden demise damage

it was all about the bleed damage the talent gives

[normal mist]

Which was then nerfed 🙁

F for bleed

[golden loom]

star of the show crimson tempest was also changed

[normal mist]

I really am sad bleed build is gone

[subtle tundra]

bring back ct

or you shall face my wrath

(i play druid)

[indigo epoch]

We have ct at home

[coral ibex]

i like the idea of a button to spread bleeds but i would rather it be a spender that spreads bleeds to increasing # of targets per cp spent

i dont like it on a builder

[subtle tundra]

guys

[golden loom]

what if...

[subtle tundra]

is he cocking?

[golden loom]

envenom spreads bleeds to a nearby target

[coral ibex]

thats my secret varas

im always cocking

[subtle tundra]

what if they add a new button

with a cd

that spreads bleeds?

the next garrote and rupture gets spread

maybe make it 1.5min

[golden loom]

to 8 targets?

[subtle tundra]

yeah maybe

[radiant otter]

the same logic holds: if it was good in tww because you killed mobs faster by trading away single target damage then it's good for that now too

[spice spire]

Feeling quirky teehee

[subtle tundra]

then buff it to 1min cd?

then buff it to 45s?

then make it a stealth buff?

[spice spire]

Man said “algethar is making me feel things”

[golden loom]

well it was good in tww cause it did better single target than the other aoe option and then u had pure ST build that was harder to play

[spice spire]

Miss her every day

[subtle tundra]

my cock tingles

@spice spire real?

[coral ibex]

i think varas is mocking me

mocking my cocking

[radiant otter]

it was good because bleeds were good and the sanguine demise part of it was pointless in higher keys, which is what we're talking about

[spice spire]

Whatever feels real to you is real king damn

[radiant otter]

the sanguine demise execute didn't matter in those

[subtle tundra]

sanguine demise?

whats that

[radiant otter]

but it's good for low keys and not pointless if you're doing low keys now

[subtle tundra]

the execute?

[subtle tundra]

but also ppl gonna be pugging 10s and have 70k dps dps'ers so its not really a blaster key anymore

and then they play a worse build

cause they saw its good for 10s

but those 10s are like 25s for them

cause they play with AI teammates

(and are AI themselves)

[radiant otter]

i guess, i haven't even played low keys since week 1 or whatever, but the pointlessness of the execute simply isnt true

the pointlessness of it is whether it rearranges the order of colors on details

[subtle tundra]

the ppl begging for demise build aren't the blasters

the blasters blast the keys brain off

and dont care

rant over

[golden loom]

true thats me

[subtle tundra]

go play your mickey mouse gamemode

I am referring to m+

not delve

@golden loom

[golden loom]

pugging atm sry

[radiant otter]

whatever but that doesn't change the fact that the damage it does isn't wasted in low keys because it kills the mobs faster

[subtle tundra]

pegging atm sry

[radiant otter]

whereas you pressing your 600 minute long cds on mobs that die in 5 seconds is wasted

[subtle tundra]

but if the mobs die in 5 seconds...

whatever

yeah

play demise

have yo fun

[radiant otter]

i don't play demise

[subtle tundra]

rim my ass

[radiant otter]

someone said what it does is pointless and it clearly is not

the bosses also die in 5 seconds in those keys

[shy edge]

guys, a crafted neck crit/hast is similar to vorasius neck?

[subtle tundra]

ask the robot

[analog field]

in those keys you can play without monitor

[subtle tundra]

@grok help this man

[analog field]

sudden demise is worst

you are trading aoe dmg that every spec has

[radiant otter]

if you mean the salhadaar neck then it's good but crafting is kind of a waste of crests, and the salhadaar neck is heavy heavy crit which makes it slightly better anyway

[analog field]

with ST dmg which assa is one of the best

[radiant otter]

well yeah if you think aoe damage is not worth it then don't play it sure

that doesn't make what it does pointless

[analog field]

it is not in these keys

every spec has too much aoe

as a matter of fact if let's say you are stealing arms warrior pad

[shy edge]

thx

[radiant otter]

it still takes time for their aoe to do damage which sudden demise cuts away

[analog field]

youa re slowing down the key

bro if a warlock has dots on the mobs it doesn't matter when they will die you are already on the next pack

[radiant otter]

the pit of saron neck is very good and almost exactly the same as salhadaar neck also

[analog field]

and if the players are not good

boss fights are more important

[radiant otter]

you're not slowing down the key

the bosses also die in 5 seconds

[analog field]

you are cause he is losing st dmg cause you kill adds

[radiant otter]

that's like saying bleed build in tww slowed down the key because it didn't do single target

[analog field]

the only way to ''deplete these keys'' is from bosses

you can't die from trash

there was no other build in TWW

wake up

you were doing sameish ST

and you were gaining 20% dmg

here you are gaining roughly 5

maybe even less

you are comparing something that was good to something that is not

[radiant otter]

we're not even talking about whether it's a justifiable trade off

you said it does nothing

that's simply not true

[analog field]

it does less than the normal; build does

[radiant otter]

the pointlessness of it is because it's rearranging colors on details

[analog field]

is my point

what does it does nothign mean ?

[radiant otter]

not in a low key

you can't even do your damage in a low key

everyone says to play subtlety

[analog field]

ofc

what does this have to do

if you are playing assa play the good assa build

[radiant otter]

because sudden demise kills the mobs faster and you spend more time on trash than on bosses, just like bleed did in tww

[analog field]

if you want to play sub for more burst do it

no sub has good enough st

especially in short fights

again you don't understand the context

[royal lantern]

no?

like

bleed was played in TWW cus it was like

good

sudden demise in midnight is just not a good talent

[radiant otter]

and it was good because it did good aoe damage

[royal lantern]

like, reminder that the biggest value on sudden demise was the bleed dmg buff

[radiant otter]

yes

[royal lantern]

and that got obliterated

the opportunity cost for taking it is just way too high for it right now

and also, please remember that SD is literally not even effective dmg

[radiant otter]

random sd player in a 10. you have to do damage to kill everything in the dungeon. look at the times spent on bosses vs trash, and the amount of damage that needs to be done compared to bosses versus trash

[royal lantern]

its transfers absurd overkill dmg into a burst at the end

but like

why do you even want so much overkill dmg in the first place instead of just doing dmg lol

[royal lantern]

bro its a 10

[radiant otter]

because it kills the mobs faster

[royal lantern]

ofc it works in a 10, thats where the talent is made for

[radiant otter]

that's what people are talking about buddy, welcome to the conversation

[royal lantern]

like sure, play SD in a 10 weekly key, thats the point of the talent

[radiant otter]

thank you for agreeing with me

[royal lantern]

but it literally isnt effective dmg outside of lower content like that

[analog field]

yeah my point is that even there it's a trade

in a 10 you can play w/e

but with a bad group

it is not good

ofc if 5 players with 4k io go on a 10

you can play wiuthout talents

[royal lantern]

i mean, "with bad players" is always a weird argument cus everything sucks with bad players

[analog field]

yeahh i agree

but boss fights are more important at that level

[sacred oyster]

i dunno i carry groups often with sd on 10s lol

[analog field]

than trash

no tank dies on trash in 10's

and no dps

[sacred oyster]

though seat boss 3 is a challenge to carry

[analog field]

assa has one of the best st dmg

[radiant otter]

this is what you said and what i replied to before everyone started rehashing some other conversation they've had somewhere else

[analog field]

just go do that

[golden loom]

@subtle tundra thank you for the luck, I didnt even have to waste bonus rolls!

[analog field]

yeah that's what i say

aoe dmg is not needed in a 10

if you deplete a 10

it is cause of bosses

if you don't deplete 10's it doesn't matter

[radiant otter]

you spend more time aoeing trash in a 10 +3 than you do on bosses

[analog field]

yes bro

if you want to +++++++ a key ofc

[sacred oyster]

why do you care to +3 a 10

[analog field]

but also you can play w/e to +3 a key

[radiant otter]

because you spend less time in there!

[analog field]

xd

you gained like what?

1 min ?

[sacred oyster]

you spend more time waiting to find the perfect meta team to do that

[analog field]

5 sec for every trash is like 1-2 min

and you gain a min for all bosses

[radiant otter]

why are you trying to tell me that purposely spending more time not only has a point, but is clearly the best idea?

[analog field]

because it is the safer approach

[sacred oyster]

if you spend 10 mins forming group to +3 a key youve lost time vs just forming the group and do the key

[analog field]

if you are trying to +++ a key

it doens't matter

this was not the conversation

[radiant otter]

you're telling me you can play a 10 with your monitor off and you're worried about safety?

[analog field]

i am saying that if you want to do the fastest key possible i am not arguing

but you are doing it with good players

if the group is not good

or if everyone has the same idea

and plays the paddest build

then bosses will take longer

if you don't want to understand how sd in practice is not faster but only in very specific cases where for example you want to +3 the key

i can't do anything about it

gl hf

[radiant otter]

all i said is it's not pointless and you're trying to lecture me about boss times or safety or whatever

i just posted a screenshot from a random sd player in a 10 who played with a boomkin and ele sham and spent 60%+ of the time on trash

[analog field]

yeah but boss timer is much longer so?

[radiant otter]

in exchange for faster trash time

[analog field]

if you want to do the fastest key you pull many mobs on boss, where you want adds to stay alive

and not die

so you funnel

[sacred oyster]

well if you have an aug you could maybe argue it is saving more time. but id say if your in a group with less than top performers, the amount of time "those mobs were going to be dead by someone elses next cast" starts to get smaller.

[analog field]

and every spec funnels

[radiant otter]

here's the log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/92brLaZhxNR7PdX3?fight=25&type=damage-done

prot pal number 2 dps

[analog field]

I don't know what am I watching

what is the point?

[sacred oyster]

wouldnt it be reading lol

[radiant otter]

it's a random sd key

[analog field]

yeah and how is that good?

[radiant otter]

do you think that's some mdi group specially formed to time the key as fast as possible

[analog field]

he would have much higher DPS without sd

[sacred oyster]

how the fuck did a prot pally pull 95k

[analog field]

it's normal especially with the other 2 ppl doing 0 dps

prot has big aoe

[sacred oyster]

88 and 95 isnt 'horrible'

[analog field]

it is really bad, but also it is SD stealing their dmg probably

cause you have 3 padder specs

and you go pad talents

[sacred oyster]

i dont like calling it 'stealing' lol, we casted the dot on it, our energy was spent to do that damage. its just converting dot to instant, we casted first.

[radiant otter]

and yet the bosses still only lived long enough to get one cooldown on

[analog field]

yes but why is our dot more impactful than theirs

you took all 30% instead of 1/3 that is yours

[analog field]

the point being?

1 min boss fight and 2 min boss fights is one cd

but it is one min difference

[sacred oyster]

sure. they should retrn the SD bug where all dots count/speed up

[golden loom]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GqYctzabnND17wWm?fight=2&type=damage-done this was a decent sudden demise key

[spice surge]

Make a tierset that converts Kingsbane to a bleed so it can demise

[sacred oyster]

they should give us a 5 pc bonus to make it worth using that

[golden loom]

wait I didnt even kill lura with sudden demise.. bad talent

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ADNFbpGVJ3WtkXBY?fight=8&type=damage-done and this is a key where the other 2 dps also did dam so I wasnt "stealing"

[crude granite]

what do you guys think will be the top 1% io cutoff end of season?

[radiant otter]

you even two phased lura

[spice surge]

This is from tww, but look at them just suddenly demising

[golden loom]

yeah I remember this, its a beauty

didnt you also have a clip from floodgate

[spice surge]

Ye

[golden loom]

wait did we

hows that possible in a 10

[radiant otter]

i dont know i just looked at the kill timer

someone missed a beam maybe

[golden loom]

that might just be some small misses

ye

[radiant otter]

yeah that

[ancient ingot]

guys what better starting g1 or g2 on chim ?

[analog hedge]

huh.., does this still works or has it been patched out?

[analog field]

you want one and one

[golden loom]

btw this is very ethical when the pack is at 12% hp mister!

[spice surge]

Still works

[analog hedge]

oooh

📝

[spice surge]

Only on mainhand though, its useless on offhand

[golden loom]

yeah that 2x stone is trolling

[spice surge]

Actually its when theyre at 30%

[rugged basalt]

I don't know ball. How use adamantite sharpening stone correctly

[golden loom]

okay I was nitpicking cause I paused it a few globals after and saw the backguy

[rugged basalt]

Do I still oil OH

[royal lantern]

make a tierset that convers demise into a poison so it can kingsbane

[golden loom]

you put in your mainhand cause it gives weapon damage, and mainhand weapon damage is what ur abilities scale off

so it does nothing on offhand except autoswings

so you put the oil on offhand cause it has higher stats

[rugged basalt]

Okay I understand now, thank you

[spice surge]

Nah i aint about the poison life, i wanna bleed stuff. If i wanted to press green eviscerates i would just play sub and add a green hue to my icon

(ig you cant anymore, but in the past)

[golden loom]

I have been asking around and trying to figure out why other classes arent using sharpening stones tho

so I think people might just not know

like surely warrior or frost dk should love weapon dam

[radiant otter]

might not be good for 2h since it's flat dmg

[rugged basalt]

I mean my source of knowledge for this was happening to read this channel at the right place and right time

[radiant otter]

but we're supergeniuses and every other class is all idiots so they might not know

[golden loom]

I mean mainhand weapon ilvl is massive for them also

[fresh kelp]

im pretty sure this is the case

but i have seen 0 evidence

[golden loom]

but its not "flat" damage tho, it increases the weapon dps range

[fresh kelp]

idk if i trust dk and warrior tcs to figure that kind of thing out

[rugged basalt]

Can't sim it, what are the numbers on it

[golden loom]

do you wanna see the reply I got in the warrior discord

[fresh kelp]

oh god

send it

[fresh kelp]

ah yes ofc

[golden loom]

have you btw managed to chain breath into 2nd pillar yet @fresh kelp

its so close...

[fresh kelp]

i was 5s off once without lust

giga proc

[golden loom]

yeah in the opener I am legit brain lagging a bit

cause you have so many procs and so many rune weapons

[fresh kelp]

you dont even start regenning until using 2 after pillar/breath

i have just been doing oblit erw oblit erw for the first like 3 gcds

until down to one charge

[golden loom]

on the add spawn on first boss I might've been a bit too hyped up and then set a world record of munching KM procs

[fresh kelp]

that is a bit unfortunate

[golden loom]

I do blame my ilvl and champ track guidon for it not being a rank 1 log tho

[fresh kelp]

ye this was the best i got, 35s no lust

[spice surge]

Does breath pandemic?

[golden loom]

or what if it stacks and you get a 2nd breath

[fresh kelp]

i actually committed a heinous crime yesterday

swapped to fallen crusader for fdk lura prog and then forgor to swap my rune for udk keys after

a mere 10.5% dps loss

something slight

[golden loom]

I was pugging myth fractilus for a bit last season after re-crafting my weapon

little did I know recrafting it removes the rune enchant

[pliant remnant]

Luckily I've been farming Pit of Saron on my DK for bonus rolls

and the first bonus roll I pulled from it was the weapon

(which I already got from vault the previous week)

[golden loom]

the dream

[pliant remnant]

so now I have two of the same weapon with different runes

[fresh kelp]

the real tech

[pliant remnant]

Playing Frost kinda fucked me up on L'ura though

as far as watching out for glaives and shit at least

[fresh kelp]

myself and the other dk both sliced by the same bad glaive that went direct through the melee sweet spot because we were too slow to move out without rider horse

[pliant remnant]

It's not difficult or anything but just mental awareness diff

Yeeeh

Our other DK is playing seed too so

He's firmly staying Unholy

[fresh kelp]

our p3 knockback group is myself and 2 priests

and we are in the farthest spot

we make the great pilgrimmage to the split pie slice at walking pace

[golden loom]

my paladin soak group was me and 3 unholy dks

[fresh kelp]

nice lil ranged soak

[golden loom]

yep especially nice on the soak where u send deathmark and then woooho time to run to narnia

[fresh kelp]

everyone else is hitting the boss like 10 full seconds before we pull up btw

its quite funny

[verbal sand]

hey , any tips to get a good amount of energy in pure st m+ ? i let fall my 80 stacks of envenom but sometimes i cant click on anything cuz out of energy

its a common issue ? or i do something wrong

[cinder mountain]

reroll bro

[verbal sand]

I just wanted to know if this was normal ^^

[cinder mountain]

yea I wrote short comment then I was going for a long one

btw. tldr -> normal

[golden loom]

!energy

🙁

but yeah assa rogue isnt gcd capped

downtime is normal

[cinder mountain]

there is no haste or anything that will help you, it is what it is, it's by design

when friends ask me how assa plays, I state that as only downside of the spec, but it can be hard for adhd, its a battle bro

everything else is pretty awesome IMO

[verbal sand]

alr thanks

theres not a lot of solo boss this season

it help

:d

[golden loom]

atleast it does decent damage to bosses this season

[cinder mountain]

depends how premade you play, you can often also put extra funnel

[cinder mountain]

and this

[golden loom]

in war within you had low energy and bad damage in m+ ST

[cinder mountain]

i would pick this version vs TWW any day of the week

ST felt like a prison

[normal mist]

!design idk

!fuck

Yeah no idea

[latent kernel]

these timeworn saddle mounts are so mid lol

[storm forum]

you gotta do delves for the good mounts

[limber dagger]

if i have a crafted mainhand, heroic off hand and a few mythic pieces like legs and shoulders that arent fully upgraded - should i craft ofhand or upgrade my stuff? 🤔

[frosty cedar]

offhand giga sucks, but sim it

[storm forum]

I think upgrade stuff, but def try to get a myth main hand asap off ur bonus rolls

[limber dagger]

im faaairly sure that offhand would be better short term but the gambling aspect of getting a myth dagger in vault is in my head and being crest capped is the bigger issue

[limber dagger]

mainhand is crafted myth but yea im def rolling for main hand

[severe meadow]

Upgrade stuff, offhand is mostly a stat stick

Highest ilvl dagger in mainhand is the most important really

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/skate-kanji-cat-gif-18361256103636562809

[supple monolith]

if when i pop a flask i go to 41% is it bad?

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[static glacier]

It never ends

[static glacier]

You can sim flasks, do it

[violet violet]

hello guys. can you double proc berserker's rage enchant if you have it on both main hand and offhand?

or only 1 buff can be active at a time and therefore if you have 2 you increase the uptime of the boss not double proc

[spice surge]

It gives 2x the stats if you have two of them

[balmy condor]

you have 1 buff but double the value

[violet violet]

ok thx

[lyric grail]

does it matter if i after deathmark + kingsbane - crimson tempest? or before?

[storm forum]

depends on the situation

in lower keys you just DM+KB asap cause things wont live the whole duration

as keys get higher you add more stuff before your CDs

1 or 2 CTs and an env

eventually it becomes good to get full scent of blood value with like 10 CTs before CDs

[lyric grail]

im asking for paladins raid opener

[abstract thunder]

Guys plz any real answer for witch class is the best for high keys 18+ in minmaxing im playing as assa and im toping the dps allways but ppl still say outlaw is better im so confused and logs seem they are to close

Any real help ?

[storm forum]

I think we want to get env up before CDs on paladins

so CT > optional Fan if need CP > env > CDs

[lyric grail]

i mean crimson temepest spreading

before or after dmg

[storm forum]

Bleeds > CT > fan to 5+ CP > env > box > DM > KB

idk what you mean by damage

[lyric grail]

and after dm + kb = dmg

any reason to spread ? does the dmg of bleeds change?

[storm forum]

the earlier we CT, the longer empowered gar gets on the other 2

we want env before KB so we charge it faster

CT good for building CP for that

no reason to fan over it

cause its the opener with DM and hero so we have infinite energy anyways

[lyric grail]

oki will not CT after dm + kb anymore ty

[young ravine]

Hi all. is there a way now to see dmg of poison bomb? ik that it was a separate souce of dmg b4, now i think its a part of envenom, but may be there is a way

[normal mist]

its under envenom

you can check it on logs

iirc

[humble verge]

wher bl

[spice spire]

Drums teehee

[thorn thorn]

uwu

[calm grail]

Is my Discord messed up? I don't see any pins anymore.

[normal mist]

actually i dont see them either

[potent jetty]

nothing here too

[royal lantern]

@vestal wren discord problems?

[vestal wren]

yes

none of the channels show pins

discord problem

[thorn thorn]

Discord is dieing rn

[storm forum]

[vestal wren]

Cloudlare: Announcing 20% of their emplyees layoffs
Discord the same day: Has problems
coincidence?

[jovial cradle]

To be fair discord has seemingly been struggling this year on multiple occasions

[vestal wren]

Its an internet infrastructure problem, ai crawlers/vibe coding puts a lot of extra stress on infrastructure and makes everything less reliable

[full bear]

So I'm running in to some trouble with M+ of barely reaching 200K dps on sin. Can someone take a look at my logs and see how I can improve? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f9WAL2tCpHk6Z4bc?fight=last

[thorn thorn]

Key level is too low and pulls are likely too small to reach 200k dps in a skyreach

Hope this helps

[buoyant herald]

all of that damage is REALLY low

yeah that's gotta be tank pulling 1 pack at a time

or some such

[full bear]

It was, problem also persists on other keys though

[buoyant herald]

kinda hard to help here

where the one log has a clear reason

[full bear]

Yeah fair, I'll see if I can get more

[thorn thorn]

Ill keep it 100 with you

[teal orbit]

anyone using any addon of some sort to better see how many of the mobs in a AOE pull that actually have bleeds on em?
Right now im just randomly trying to guess how many times I have to press Crimson Tempest

[gilded oasis]

scent of blood stacks and eyeballs

[hazy sundial]

Unfortunately no

[thorn thorn]

Unless you have a giga stacked group that is pulling like its a 20 or 21

You wont be doing 200k overall in a 12

[worn geyser]

especially skyreach

the overall on that dungeon is cooked

[hazy sundial]

There used to be a WA for that but blizz removed enemy counting

[full bear]

What keys generally work best? Pit I'd imagine

[thorn thorn]

Pit

But ross did a hair over 200k in his pit so

[gilded oasis]

can still use CDM for scent of blood stacks it gets you close enough. Usually if you are full stack its enough bleed

[thorn thorn]

good luck with that

[hazy sundial]

Zerocool did 281k in MC

[worn geyser]

but anything on a below 16 isnt gonna be comparable to what people are doing in 18+s on sin, you need the higher keys to really crank

[gilded oasis]

yeah I love molten core

[buoyant herald]

there are SO many factors behind why your favourite streamer is putting up those numbers

[full bear]

Gotcha

[buoyant herald]

yes, they're better

but also

tanks pull bigger, and around the groups cds

they KNOW the exact route

so where to send, where to hold etc

[full bear]

Yeah if it's just a pug then honestly

Kinda working on mind reading here

[thorn thorn]

212k

[gilded oasis]

know when to hold em and when to fold em?

[thorn thorn]

But yes

Caverns, pit, AA

Good dungeons for getting good overall

[full bear]

Come again?

[gilded oasis]

on CD sorry

[buoyant herald]

it's a song.

meaning in 12 pugs you never know when the tank is going to rip an MDI pull and when he's gonna be happy to have you fighting 2 guys

but also

since i did dive a bit deeper