I thnik thats only on nexus king
#assassination
frosty cedar
real pike
not that I'm aware of
sacred oyster
does anyone know why they stopped giving points to dragons
golden loom
Cause its a meme fight
real pike
it auto sims what you have on right? like it's all pre selected
I unticked all the gem options cause it was making more combinations but thought it would keep my current ones
golden loom
Giga turbo add fights like dragons/stix/ovinaxx get removed from allstars
Soulbinder
sacred oyster
I unticked all the gem options cause it was making more combinations but thought...
you need to uncheck the replace gems option unless your simming changing gems
for standard gear compares, kee pthat unchecked and just check mark your diamond + usual gems you use for it to test them on new items with empty sockets.
real pike
ok I will try that next time thank you
sacred oyster
in general you want crit/haste gems (with diamond) though as they are effectively equal for DS and better for raid.
real pike
yo did someone say DS??
sacred oyster
dungeon slice lol
sacred oyster
what does DS mean to you otherwise lol
sacred oyster
oh that, we forgot about that
frosty cedar
aw hell nah
uncut knot
hey guys, what are we dropping for sudden demise for quick 10's ?
lime edge
aw hell nah
This is cheesebane
real pike
what does DS mean to you otherwise lol
ain't no way
quiet star
hey guys, what are we dropping for sudden demise for quick 10's ?
Check build on wowhead, there is a lot of changes
uncut knot
Check build on wowhead, there is a lot of changes
i actually checked i see nothing about that on delve builds or else
quiet star
i actually checked i see nothing about that on delve builds or else
It named as weekly
uncut knot
It named as weekly
oh right, thanks !
signal oxide
any good tips for assassin on M Vanguard?
nimble tartan
dodge the shields
faint mural
hey guys, what are we dropping for sudden demise for quick 10's ?
The recommended build is technically still better because it results in faster keys.
frosty cedar
the weekly humiliation ritual of getting declined for 10s begins
royal lantern
did you try having a score above 2,8k
rustic cosmos
radiant aspen
twilit talon
which poisons do i use as assa? Just started the spec
grave nova
anyone have an addon or something that can tell me how many mobs im in combat with and how many i have poisons on?
would just make tempest more brain dead
humble verge
indigo mulch
I got gaze from the bonus roll and puzzle box from the vault. :X
golden loom
which poisons do i use as assa? Just started the spec
!poisons
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
royal lantern
I got gaze from the bonus roll and puzzle box from the vault. :X
gz
quiet star
the weekly humiliation ritual of getting declined for 10s begins
For me weekly humiliation is chim, don't know how assa should do damage during adds phases
Superb design where melee should suck
royal lantern
huh
why do you give a fuck lol
if you wanna do dmg to adds, you dont play assa there
frosty cedar
seems fine
ember condor
do we just spam crimson tempest on vaelgor when the adds spawn? with sudden demise? How do they have it so high up on damage? I don't know how to check cast timers on logs
frosty cedar
yeah thats what I did
if your doing sudden demise parse meme build for reclear you can basically just spam a few CTs
ember condor
thanks i love you
frosty cedar
do we just spam crimson tempest on vaelgor when the adds spawn? with sudden demi...
you can check lorrgs.io if you want
bronze panther
did assa change today?
frosty cedar
nope
ember condor
you can check lorrgs.io if you want
yoooo sick tyvm!!!
frosty cedar
it has all of my CD timings on there but in general what I thought was best was to pool a bit for the adds spawn, spam CT even at max CP a few times, but still envenom of course for the dmg buff
so dont just copy the CD timings it is a bit kill time dependant
quiet star
why do you give a fuck lol
Because I end up with a dog damage
That's why it's humiliation
royal lantern
Because I end up with a dog damage
then dont play a spec that cant really do dumb padding on all the pad fights??
go sub, press secret tech when adds spawn and jerk yourself off for having a high dmg number, idk man
halcyon crypt
hi guys assa have the same or other breakpint on hast like sub or no ?
grave nova
hi guys assa have the same or other breakpint on hast like sub or no ?
you need like 67 haste
halcyon crypt
radiant aspen
do we just spam crimson tempest on vaelgor when the adds spawn? with sudden demi...
yes
balmy condor
balmy condor
Yes
radiant aspen
ic do u have pov on yt
clear knoll
I’m guessing we keep crippling poison off for m+
balmy condor
I can upload but there ain’t shit to see really
You just go down 3x
And hope you giga hit
radiant aspen
i mean if u have time/want upload them
i think people would like to watch them in my opinion
so being first soack group is better
right ?
golden loom
You just go down 3x
go down 3x? 
grave nova
Sin is technically uncapped right?
golden loom
we just had tank solo the one before they usually solo
grave nova
Or is it reduced?
balmy condor
so being first soack group is better
Well it doesn’t matter, you’re going down on every soak
golden loom
boss dead in 5:04
radiant aspen
Well it doesn’t matter, you’re going down on every soak
well that will be hard to do in pugs
xD
balmy condor
Or is it reduced?
It’s like most every aoe, uncapped but reduced after x targets
grave nova
I mean the poisons
balmy condor
well that will be hard to do in pugs
Gg
balmy condor
Sure, poisons are uncapped I guess
balmy condor
so wait you just cloak and go into g2 aswell
Yes
golden loom
damn
trim cairn
Sure, poisons are uncapped I guess
So are the bleedz
balmy condor
Correct
gloomy tusk
golden loom
whispyr I have a new kingsbane classic
might've not noticed I didnt have step charges on chim knockback
hazy ether
Hey guys,
the cast deathmark
use 13 macro is not working for me
Does it not work with puzzle box?
golden loom
Does it not work with puzzle box?
correct
slow orbit
thx for the reply btw ik its late but better than never
subtle crown
With the dragons, is it better to CT when the adds are up to spread bleeds or FoK since they don’t last super long to get more envenoms?
trim oak
I have this doubt with pretty much every raid encounter with little adds, no one last THAT long
coral ibex
bro haven’t you asked that multiple times in the last day
trim oak
I use it a bit just for the agi bonus then fok
true rapids
With the dragons, is it better to CT when the adds are up to spread bleeds or Fo...
Faq says spread bleeds
subtle crown
Thank you, didn’t realize it was referenced in FAQ
I’m assuming that is due to the bonus agi given from rupture? And the bug increasing CT damage/internal bleeding?
runic hinge
guy who writes that probably thinks about wow too much
pallid cape
!sim
lime edge
It might be for energy too
pallid cape
do i use dungeon slice when simming top gear for m+
shy axle
do you run ct/splatter on alleria myth or just f it and pure st? having ahard time to decide
runic hinge
do i use dungeon slice when simming top gear for m+
yes
royal lantern
do you run ct/splatter on alleria myth or just f it and pure st? having ahard ti...
spatter
no ct
little tulip
other than nxp disarms needing vanish to not be grief
great cook this season
also slight tech but it seems like if you have a bleed in range ct will clone it on to other mobs?
royal lantern
ok ty, which talent point of the st talents do you keep ?
you drop improved poisons and take spatter
shy axle
ty again
fallen charm
is it scaling with something or is it 67 for the lols?
inner crypt
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
fallow canopy
is it scaling with something or is it 67 for the lols?
runic hinge
you need to lock in twin
it takes like 24 hours for your parse to be "locked in" which means thats the % it will stay at
radiant aspen
radiant aspen
it takes like 24 hours for your parse to be "locked in" which means thats the % ...
so did i logged 95 or no twin
?
marsh fjord
runic hinge
so did i logged 95 or no twin
check again tomorrow
runic hinge
tbh i think it might be
marsh fjord
nah that guy is awake for a very long time already
marsh fjord
id summon whisp
You're lucky he isnt here lil guppie
radiant aspen
marsh fjord
marsh fjord
severe meadow
95 on the easiest rogue spec? which get played by 5 people
Idk, sub pretty easy, no?
marsh fjord
Idk, sub pretty easy, no?
Assa is easier
severe meadow
Idk about all that
marsh fjord
The hard part about is to fill every global inside of your dances and i feel thats harder then we have on assa at all.
storm forum
To me assa is easiest, but that's just cause I've played it for like 10 years and I could play it with my eyes closed.
severe meadow
Idk man I don’t play outlaw
severe meadow
I tried it recently but I just didn’t like it
Also needing a haste cap is kinda cringe
storm forum
I forgot where the N key is so I don't think I'll be able to try OL
radiant aspen
tbh iv played both and im not biased (i am) assa is harder if we take everything into account
severe meadow
Lanille and the n key joke
A classic
Keep doing your thing Lanille, I fuck with you
radiant aspen
storm forum
I'm a big advocate for flexibility, but that's mostly cause I'm not flexible and need everyone to work around me
severe meadow
Hello
storm forum
Good luck, don't die
thorn thorn
Lura in a casual guild is gonna break me mentally
severe meadow
Bro imma fuck you (up)
gleaming parcel
should i only use finishers at 6-7 cp's?
storm forum
5-7
storm forum
Apex can proc at 5, so it's good
DS can force at 7 for DN
But don't worry about that cause the whole hero tree is bad
severe meadow
Yeah if you’re the .1% of people playing DS
gleaming parcel
ok, thats what I've been doing, but I know its different for outlaw, so I figured I'd double check.
thorn thorn
YOU DIDNT RESPOND TO THE DM
i didnt see
wide halo
um is there any addon to remember to put poisons on
thorn thorn
got zero healing spells on me for 6 seconds straight and died with healing absorb on in crown
There is a sticker of my parse
severe meadow
storm forum
twilit talon
https://gyazo.com/d60a7608b7a7d4003c14c231e30f69a1 Does this look about right to you? Switched from Sub to Assa first Raid
spice spire
There is a sticker of my parse
You’re famous 
runic hinge
um is there any addon to remember to put poisons on
clickable raidbuffs
runic hinge
There is a sticker of my parse
spice spire
I have multiple about me too
storm forum
Why does every class server have a priv server that regulars use for meme stickers of parses?
Wait
spice spire
Why does every class server have a priv server that regulars use for meme sticke...
That is not a server that’s class related
storm forum
That's just the fucking class discord
storm forum
LMAO
spice spire
(Also on a disconnect)
spice spire
True
radiant aspen
earnest pilot
storm forum
Unblame Tony right now
thorn thorn
Why does every class server have a priv server that regulars use for meme sticke...
Bro those are in the evoker discord
runic hinge
spice spire
Real
radiant aspen
storm forum
Yeah I learned and that's so fucked
wide halo
thanks
spice spire
np
radiant aspen
runic hinge
yw i love you
storm forum
Do you ever finish eating and then kind of regret it cause you started craving a totally different food at the end of your meal?
runic hinge
yeah i had a lobster roll today but i wish we got chinese
storm forum
God I wish I could eat a lobster roll
spice spire
yeah i had a lobster roll today but i wish we got chinese
Literally lobster too buttery looking ass
runic hinge
Literally lobster too buttery looking ass
spice spire
Least Maine meal
nimble tartan
i love when eu/british folks are like im having a chinese
runic hinge
My sister is allergic to shellfish, what a cruel fate
storm forum
My last shelfish meal was a lobster roll in Maine it was so good, worth the rash and breathing issues
spice spire
My last shelfish meal was a lobster roll in Maine it was so good, worth the rash...
Were you visiting Tony
storm forum
It was my cousin's bachelor party
runic hinge
i probably know him
spice spire
Was gonna say one of the 7 people of the state? Crazy work
storm forum
He doesn't live there, he just wanted to rent a nice place on the water and Maine had the prettiest places on airbnb
runic hinge
thats true
storm forum
Maine has the best sour beer breweries too
storm zinc
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
runic hinge
oxbow?
storm forum
Is that a town? I don't think we went there
runic hinge
no its a brewing company that makes good sours lol
runic hinge
maybe next time
storm forum
This was like three years ago and I don't remember the name but holy fuck there's a lot of breweries in Portland
runic hinge
Yeah it’s kinda crazy
green rivet
wispy bison
💪
faint mural
This was like three years ago and I don't remember the name but holy fuck there'...
Cinderbrew meaderies?
Wait, Shouldn’t that be cindermead brewery? Since the mead is what the brew is made out of?
grim jay
Wait, Shouldn’t that be cindermead brewery? Since the mead is what the brew is m...
I prefer meadbrew cindery
faint mural
I hope they add that dungeon back to the m+ pool next season.
faint mural
Tbh i didn’t care for the Boss fights
grim jay
I kinda really dont like the beefight
storm forum
I'm so mad I can't find the name of this place. Their birthday cake sour ruined beer for me
spice spire
That doesn’t sound real
And would ruin beer for me too
(Because it doesn’t sound like beer)
storm forum
It was like drinking a cupcake
But now that I think about it, I was so drunk my taste buds mightve been malfunctioning
abstract thunder
on doing high keys logs last day showing that almost all rogue performing the same is it right or still outlaw performing better ?>
royal lantern
But now that I think about it, I was so drunk my taste buds mightve been malfunc...
last time i was drunk, i opened discord and messaged random people
and ofc quake was one of them
storm forum
I should do that
grim jay
I don’t even remember this ngl
do you know what I still remember?
royal lantern
I don’t even remember this ngl
i only remember it because im not really drinking normally
spice spire
do you know what I still remember?
What
grim jay
spice spire
Hated that clip
That’s not the entire message!!
Also what ABSOLUTE mad lad gets notifications from a class discord
grim jay
Also what ABSOLUTE mad lad gets notifications from a class discord
wasnt it puma?
or zar
spice spire
I think it was Zar actually
storm forum
Surely that was a msg about white wine and not anything sus
grim jay
Surely that was a msg about white wine and not anything sus
on wine-testings they call him Quake Susington
spice spire
I loved his dog damn
spice spire
Timmy is a young lad so I called him young Timothy
thorn thorn
birb
spice spire
Incredible
thorn thorn
If you are concerned about that video your mind is filthy
storm forum
The filthiest I know
runic hinge
Timmy is a young lad so I called him young Timothy
Reading the convo about your post link is wild shit
What a day
fleet pagoda
wait wtf is Tony from Maine too
weird thing to see in rogue discord randomly people talkin' about my backwater state 
runic hinge
Hell yeah brother
spice spire
Real
fleet pagoda
old people spec, old people state. it adds up ig
any key pushers able to advise on how to deal with MT leech guy? had a brew asking me to put wound poison on for them, but I was doing like 35% of the damage to the mob myself. it worth droppin that damage to nerf their healing on that pull?
runic hinge
old people spec, old people state. it adds up ig
I been playing feral this patch cause the pooling makes more sense over there
fleet pagoda
tooltip for the leech said it sucks by LoS, seemed like a simpler angle to just LoS it
fleet pagoda
I been playing feral this patch cause the pooling makes more sense over there
feral inherited our pooling gameplay?
worthy bloom
Hey. What could be wrong with my Mutilate on Elvui action bar 🤔 When I go out of range from the mob or target my Mutilate disappears completely from the action bar even though every other spell just turns red and fade a little as they suppose 🤷🏽♂️
marsh fjord
Hey. What could be wrong with my Mutilate on Elvui action bar 🤔 When I go out o...
This sounds like a qeustion that you ask in the elvui discord.
Because i dont think the problem lies in mutilate
worthy bloom
I actually did but nobody answered so wanted to try my luck here if fellow rogues have faced the same problem 😅
marsh fjord
I actually did but nobody answered so wanted to try my luck here if fellow rogue...
I have not seen anyone have the same problem
marsh fjord
I actually did but nobody answered so wanted to try my luck here if fellow rogue...
Try to disable elvui
and see if mutilate disspears from the base action bar
worthy bloom
Same here and I tried to Google the issue without success
marsh fjord
or you can reset the action bars. ( i dont use elvui) so i dont know if thats possible
golden loom
Hey. What could be wrong with my Mutilate on Elvui action bar 🤔 When I go out o...
Is it just mutilate or any other ability you put on that bind?
gilded oasis
<@217477209584041985> please confirm
CONFIRMED
gilded oasis
Also what ABSOLUTE mad lad gets notifications from a class discord
I like to get notifications about new pet photos dropping
faint mural
Kinda miss manually casting SnD
marsh fjord
Kinda miss manually casting SnD
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1141527715258847284/1225424075967561818/shocked_cat_wtf.gif
gilded oasis
Kinda miss manually casting SnD
sometimes I still do
faint mural
It was dope bro
spice spire
sometimes I still do
wtf
marsh fjord
We have so little buttons people are about to start missing SnD it must be really bad
spice spire
No zar is just a boomer
frosty cedar
Kinda miss manually casting SnD
hopital
gilded oasis
true
gilded oasis
one day when they decide that they want to make us push the button again and you are crying that you cant find a keybind for it, im gonna dust off my muscle memory and be chilling knowing I left f3 open for snd this whole time
faint mural
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
rugged basalt
i didnt get into that one
i did however roll wrists...
we go from 3/6 odds to 3/5 odds, it only gets better
humble verge
i did some cook, and found out im missing 10 crests for upgrades on my "worst" alt to hit the myth achi
I just need to buy 2 boe's and get the perfect rerolls
or i spend 2m on a 282 boe and i actually get it
frosty cedar
bro is gonna buy the LQEs
humble verge
i need to hit on shoulders, ring and cloak on the rerolls
rugged basalt
we go from 3/6 odds to 3/5 odds, it only gets better
and then cloak...broooooooo
3/4 odds now 😭 shirley next week HAHA
coral ibex
i did some cook, and found out im missing 10 crests for upgrades on my "worst" a...
read that as "did some cock"
thought you were getting freaky
humble verge
balmy condor
twinks? where
spice surge
🪞
balmy condor
the beard grew back too fast man
spice surge
Darn
rugged basalt
BOE LQE IED ICUP
do you
rugged basalt
what the helly did you shave at all
i made an infographic for pos loot table and my friend didnt like it
balmy condor
was it just "crit/haste" and 15 red arrows
rugged basalt
worse
balmy condor
SIXTEEN RED ARROWS?
rugged basalt
im an expressive person
balmy condor
rugged basalt
i only have the good drops to go 
thorn thorn
what are we doing
Suffering in lura
crude helm
You single?
balmy condor
afraid not
severe meadow
You should let her do your eyebrows
gilded oasis
she waxes my nose hairs too
nah sounds too painful
and I wax several places
nose aint one
uncut oyster
im trying to spec into assa for m+ and raidbots always sims 20k dps down from sub (simmed last patch where i had a lot of crit on sub)
is it down to janky interractions ro what
checked pinned but didnt see anyone mention it
thorn thorn
she waxes my nose hairs too
wax deez
balmy condor
im trying to spec into assa for m+ and raidbots always sims 20k dps down from su...
#assassination message
do not compare specs using sims
uncut oyster
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1501310546606...
thank u i'll just send it
humble verge
im an expressive person
worldly sail
rugged basalt
sick sail
im an expressive person
used 6 rolls and finally got the weapon and neck here, time to roll on academy for box now
rugged basalt
I only started today since my last two weeks were on chim
I wish u good luck on box
humble verge
marsh fjord
You guys are such cuties
latent kernel
she does actually
Tweeze, wax, or shave, my chick tweezes and shi lowkey got my ass crying
She got bad form tho fr fr
rugged basalt
Tweezing is torture
hazy sundial
im an expressive person
I got the same ones
Super excited for mastery haste pants on next try
viscid spear
balmy condor
Tweeze, wax, or shave, my chick tweezes and shi lowkey got my ass crying
wax only for me
knotty vapor
This what I come to assass chat for
Good shit
Assass chat is much more my brand of tism than sub chat
earnest imp
!fuu
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
bronze panther
Can assa beat sub this week ? I like playing assa more but not if damage is less
earnest imp
Prio damage feels good
bronze panther
On meters?
bronze panther
In raid
dawn seal
!pooling
prisma monolithBOT
- Energy just is low on the spec there's nothing to do about it, you will run out
- Without the Apex talent there is no reason to pool, once midnight drops this will update with whatever logic is found
earnest imp
Oh cant comment on thay
severe meadow
she does actually
Mine plucks mine and it’s miserable but they look so good after
balmy condor
Can assa beat sub this week ? I like playing assa more but not if damage is less
if your assa was better than your sub last week, it'll still be better this week
bronze panther
if your assa was better than your sub last week, it'll still be better this week
If both were same?
balmy condor
then they'll be the same
bleak sun
puzzle on last bonus roll as usual 😢
buoyant herald
I have every pit item except neck and dagger now, rain your pity down upon me too
rapid patio
puzzle on last bonus roll as usual 😢
me too! i just got it, and i was wondering if do you use a macro to cast both DM and the trinket
bleak sun
i dont think you can macro it since its a cast
cerulean nest
puzzle box in vault, no need for AA hell lets go
vital flicker
so has anyone noticed that despite blizzard "fixing" the personal resource display in the ptr, you still can't actually centre your combo points with your health on the Blizzard version. Why do they hate rogue so much that when they work on the UI they can't even fix it
viscid spear
The ogre mage was real nerve-wracking
Orbiting black hole was always nearby and he was always in the part of the room the laser swept the floor on 
viscid spear
Hmmm
My DBM has the Wilhelm Scream as a warning
So it was just
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
The singularity thing was annoying
buoyant herald
Just usual strat of holding CDs for add spawns?
I tried as sub with perma tricks on valeera but she just kept dying and I’d get whacked while ressing
clear knoll
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
(Jundies Profile)
(Whispyr's Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement
latent kernel
ret paladin and sin rogue in keys is so funny
you pick the same prio mob
and it just explodes
viscid spear
Just usual strat of holding CDs for add spawns?
Let's see
For the doggo duo and just focused one down and CT'd my bleeds to the other, using Kingsbane
For the buggo squad I tricks'd Valeera and AoE'd
For the ogre I used Kingsbane and interrupted (made sure I had Kick ready for Null when he came back)
I always used my DM and Box on Null as soon as I could
Suppose I could've used them on the ogre just to get him down faster but oh well I did it
buoyant herald
Worth a shot. I’ve only cheesed it on healing specs so far
viscid spear
I was going to just cheese it as Sub if I felt I couldn't do it as Sin but I did pretty well on the first try so I kept at it
buoyant herald
Sub didn’t feel remotely cheese tbh, maybe my valeera level was scuffed or something
She was just dead every 10-15s
viscid spear
Isn't she supposed to be pretty sturdy as Healer?
vital flicker
Valeera was bugfixed like halfway through the first day of the delve being released, after that she no longer picked up healing and was far less tanky
buoyant herald
That’ll do it
vital flicker
I guess hotfixed since it wasn't actually a bug
spice surge
you pick the same prio mob
Its so weird how certain specs just randomly become insane at prio/funnel damage
Like why is arms warrior suddenly the king of funnel 
buoyant herald
I’m gonna spew a nuclear hot take here
And suggest that blizzard are really bad at predicting the outcome of perceived small changes they make
Especially to underplayed specs
cunning needle
i dont think thats even remotely hot enough to be a lukewarm take
cunning needle
lock in
clear knoll
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
onyx veldt
balmy condor
never seen the funny ~
thorn thorn
And suggest that blizzard are really bad at predicting the outcome of perceived ...
Bruh that take isnt even lukewarm
That shit is room temperature
buoyant herald
I forget sarcasm doesn’t translate well in text form 🥲
But it is funny because it not like they don’t have the capability
They just seem to not bother working it through
severe meadow
https://tenor.com/view/sanae-kochiya-touhou-frogs-miracles-emotional-gif-2880155...
I'm finna kiss you homie
worthy bloom
Because i dont think the problem lies in mutilate
Mutilate won't even show up in blizzards CDM. It's shown as "unlearned" talent lol. It shows in normal action bar though. I disabled elvui to check.
severe meadow
Are we tracking mutilate
worthy bloom
Is it just mutilate or any other ability you put on that bind?
Just mutilate
worthy bloom
Are we tracking mutilate
Just for aesthetics but I use the icon to see the range also
So when it dimms I know I'm too far away
marsh fjord
So when it dimms I know I'm too far away
Why not get a combat addon that tells you if you are out of range?
worthy bloom
Well I can but was just wondering why mutilate is bugged
somber sparrow
is simming the only way to really know which weapon enchant will be the best
or is there like, once at X stats, there's a new recommendation
teal kettle
is it just me or are we crazy antisynergistic with ret pallies
worthy bloom
Are we tracking mutilate
This is my UI
teal kettle
they blow up prio targets so fast
oak ember
is it just me or are we crazy antisynergistic with ret pallies
I'm doing around 18s and I've never had that issue. What key level did you notice that in?
teal kettle
im on 18s now too
oak ember
If it's a lower key they kinda blow up all the small adds and mess up funnel
Only key I find that issue with is windrunner
teal kettle
im picking highest health targets too
oak ember
Maybe you're running with ret royalty but I haven't felt that no
rare magnet
!log
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severe meadow
Ngl SD felt like buttcheeks on dragons
somber sparrow
basically my crit is 38%, haste 20%, and mastery 36%, and i'm not sure berserker's rage (124 haste) is as good as acuity of the rendorei (67 primary stat) . I suppose I just sim both options
answer was, for me: acuity
full sandal
why does fan of knives generate only 1 cp with two targets
cunning needle
why does fan of knives generate only 1 cp with two targets
didnt crit
cloud ferry
I am fairly new to rogue, any tips on how to manage energy? I seem to always be running out of energy
balmy condor
You will run out of energy
There isn’t anything to do about it
Just play around the apex and vibe
cloud ferry
i see, thank you
oak ember
You will run out of energy
Is it worth dumping energy to be able to proc apex or do you just keep clipping the final seconds of envenom?
balmy condor
I’m not sure what that would entail
But if you hit 80 stacks and won’t overcap energy by dropping envenom
Then you should drop envenom
coral ibex
i think they're asking if we hold cp to the end of the env buff
young flicker
so whats the rough rule for when to use CT vs FOK on M+ pulls even when bleeds are all active in order to just spread internal bleeding? like 10+ mobs still use CT over FOK as the builder?
oak ember
I’m not sure what that would entail
If I'm at 80 stacks but my energy is basically full, do I just spam envenoms out to go low enough to proc apex or do I coast on last second envenoms until I naturally drop my energy?
balmy condor
If I'm at 80 stacks but my energy is basically full, do I just spam envenoms out...
You would spam envenoms yes
You always spam envenoms
oak ember
ok ty
balmy condor
so whats the rough rule for when to use CT vs FOK on M+ pulls even when bleeds a...
The rule is you don’t ct
If everything has bleeds you fok
young flicker
Ok cool, I thought we still did it sometimes bc of internal bleeding
oak ember
If you need to re-apply garrote in a pull with multiple mobs and they already have a rupture, do you always put a bigger rupture so it re-applies interal bleeding alongside the garrote?
severe meadow
Alleria easier than Paladins after nerf?
vale shore
Sometimes, I stop attacking in the middle of a boss fight and solve this cool puzzle box I found
balmy condor
If you need to re-apply garrote in a pull with multiple mobs and they already ha...
No
balmy condor
Alleria easier than Paladins after nerf?
Possibly yes
But it is more mechanically dance-y
severe meadow
Possibly yes
Is it just p1 and then mostly free?
severe meadow
balmy condor
But people have to learn the positioning regardless
clear knoll
Finally got a hero track puzzle box. Should I still prio a myth track one or go ahead and try to roll gaze next week with BR
balmy condor
Go for puzzle probably
balmy condor
I am so happy i can play guidon over it ^^
I'm probably probably deathstalker + puzzlebox sub for beloren tomorrow
balmy condor
yeh
vestal wren
not a bad mix tbh
balmy condor
deathstalker on sub is bearable at least
you cycle the mark fast enough to where it doesn't bother me too much
vestal wren
I think the mark changes are a bit criminal for sub
but its fine now
the solution with marked for death is such a band aid over a problem they created
balmy condor
yeah I refuse to keybind that shit
vestal wren
i mean, i understand how mark is a problem on assassiantion
vestal wren
but i don't understand how this lead to making mark so much worse to handle for everyone
and not improving it on assassiantion either
brave gyro
Judging by how they think tank balance is perfectly fine, not surprising
vestal wren
tuning is seperate from design
waxen oyster
blizz rushing expansions
vestal wren
i would not mix both up
waxen oyster
playerbase surprised QA is shit
vestal wren
it feels flat
vestal wren
tbh one thing they nailed is
balmy condor
feels more like dragonflight 3
muted oracle
midnight in general just feels kinda idk
its almost like they removed 1/3rd of everyones buttons or something
vestal wren
you feel like you are in a threadmill
with crest caps and every minor patch introducing a new grind
waxen oyster
tuning done by AI
balmy condor
its almost like they removed 1/3rd of everyones buttons or something
I couldn't give a shit about that really, I think all 3 rogue specs are fun, which is crazy cause I haven't enjoyed outlaw in so long
I think the specs are great
vestal wren
tuning done by AI
don't joke about it
balmy condor
but everything else just fucking blows
muted oracle
then just threw you into the same m+ xalatath foot fetish grind and said ok cya guys in a year
vestal wren
I think subtlety is still a bit barebones, would love to see some updates to it
balmy condor
I don't even hate the dungeon pool this season, but pushing m+ is just mind-numbing
balmy condor
it just feels like I'm not playing for anything
like I enjoy raiding with my guild
because they're my guild
and the fights are fine
but I could not imagine playing the game outside of that for the most part
muted oracle
wdym youre playing so that in 16 weeks you can grind your rating out again for another colored bird or golem
balmy condor
like why
just so I'm 100 io higher?
bigger e-cock number?
I could do anything else
oak ember
One can only fail so many seats on the 3rd and last boss before they start losing their sanity
muted oracle
basically the only reason i play is to do some keys with the boys and vibe, i just cba to sink time into this game otherwise
balmy condor
yeh
and gear is just so boring idk'
when the most interesting thing about gear is dogshit haste breakpoints
I kinda vomit
waxen oyster
gear is so boring yet people manage
vestal wren
haste breakpoints are a pita
balmy condor
yeh
muted oracle
doesnt help that tier sets suck and there are no cool trinkets
balmy condor
it's both boring and also super cringe at the same time
vestal wren
i mean tier set sucks can be explained
vestal wren
next seasons tier set needs to feel good
balmy condor
so that you get the hero crest achieve
and then log into main
and now you have the reduction
so your main is like 3 weeks ahead in crests early season
waxen oyster
whispyr gotta go on his m+ and wow twitter arc
balmy condor
like the systems are so poorly thought out for gear that is so mind-numbingly simple
waxen oyster
get the healer egirls
balmy condor
yippppppppppppiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
waxen oyster
obviously
muted oracle
there is no thought behind the systems anymore, just a prompt that some intern threw into copilot and then shit out into the game
waxen oyster
"but no my parse is bad because i have too much versa"
muted oracle
waxen oyster
"i need more haste to feel faster"
vestal wren
like the systems are so poorly thought out for gear that is so mind-numbingly si...
like the systems are so poorly thought out
for gear that is so mind-numbingly simple~
fixed that
balmy condor
distant helm
so that you get the hero crest achieve
dw you can do the same with the mythc achievment aswell
an alt just to get the hero achievment next season is going to mandatory if they dont change shit for decent guilds, good system
balmy condor
none of the shit you are actually tracking right now
the deathstalker stuff is fine
this is fine
you'll want to know that
garrote+rupture+envenom you could track but that's usually tracked on the other tab
tepid mountain
Theres two of them
balmy condor
and uhhhhhhhhh
tepid mountain
haha
balmy condor
that's it
tepid mountain
i assume they are the same
tepid mountain
i love how they have the same icon and description and icon ID and Spell ID
so i just put one on and trial and error
i guess XD
jolly stirrup
Also Whispyr, any reason there is no "BIS" List of gear just from dungeons like last season? I enjoyed that, any chance we get it back next season?
wild sentinel
just throw one of them on and run to the training dummies, then use envenom. if it doesn't show up immediately, you have the wrong one I think
balmy condor
Also Whispyr, any reason there is no "BIS" List of gear just from dungeons like ...
there is a best gear from dungeons on the dungeon page
there's no bis list because it wasn't actually accurate (even by standard of how inaccurate and dogshit bis lists are to begin with)
and people kept misunderstanding the list as best FOR m+
not best FROM m+
and the people who knew it was best FROM m+
didn't fucking use it
because they didn't care about it
cause they care about best FOR
and that shit is really hard to make a bis list for cause bis for one dungeon ain't bis for the other
and it's just a fucking nightmare
bis is awful
fuck bis
stupid fucking concept
dumb fucking list
noob bait
looks ugly as shit on the website
fuck everything about it
urban karma
real
balmy condor
especially for something like sub?
could you imagine?
holy fuck that's so cancer
one bis list is already so cancer for sub
people not hitting the haste breakpoint cause they're just following bis list and throwing away items that are like +3% for them
surely a SECOND bis list would help
give the people two lists
so like, could I force the writers to make a second bis list? sure, I could
but I would rather eat glue
urban karma
i just press my 3 buttons and keep it PMA
robot gaslighting people into playing less than haste breakpoint is funny sometimes
but hey that's the world we live in
balmy condor
there are many things I would like to do to improve the wowhead guides
adding back a second bis list
is not one of those things
urban karma
i imagine it's rather difficult to keep up with all the minute changes, all the time
balmy condor
I mean it's also like, how quality would it be
we had a section going into midnight for how much of a dps loss the one-button and rotation-assist features are
and we cut it out
because legite >80% of writers were just throwing out random numbers
cause really no one cares
quiet oar
people not hitting the haste breakpoint cause they're just following bis list an...
Reminds me of our Hunter, who used 2 passive on Beloren, because it simmed better 
quiet oar
But didnt think about burst EGG DMG and Puzzle box
balmy condor
the cross section of people using the one button rotation, and the people who want to optimize enough to care about the loss of the one button
is a very slim overlap
and if the writers are just kinda sayin shit
and it's questionably accurate in the first place
then like why bother with it
urban karma
i mean yeah valid
jolly stirrup
My bad 
urban karma
i come from classic, shit's a solved game there, it's more about bothering to read what people wrote. hyperoptimizing makes sense there because you know what's good (and also no gear slop)
applying this to retail is kinda insane
balmy condor
yeah I mean retail is also kinda "solved" in a similar way except for people trying to unsolve it and solve it differently
like high end m+ pushers will reinvent the wheel 300 times a season
vestal wren
think pvpers are the most creative in that department
balmy condor
yeah pvp is a whole different monster
vestal wren
nothing can change and they somehow come up with things
urban karma
retail has a lot more intermediate steps to "bis" which can be a headache if you have the hyperoptimization mindset as far as gear goes imo
visual sun
but I would rather eat glue
rando rogue here, can confirm glue taste like cardboard
balmy condor
to be fair, pvp is also just a mess of a game
fuu what do you think about adding back the other bis lists
would you enjoy that
wide berry
No bis lists here, just me trusty robot
vestal wren
fuu what do you think about adding back the other bis lists
wdym other bis list?
balmy condor
like how we used to have them
vestal wren
you mean !loot?
balmy condor
the 3 lists
vestal wren
ohh
balmy condor
no on wowhead guides
balmy condor
my favorite was like
bis list from m+
and all the items on it
are shit
because the raid stuff is just better
liberation of undermine sub bis list from m+
and there's no 1:30 trinket
and house of cards exists
hm yes, very reasonable thing
or like this season assa
raid only bis
what am I even recommending for trinkets
gaze and....
balmy condor
idk, I would like to bring something better for dungeon loot
urban karma
im kinda clueless on how stuff has been going in retail, but have there been many instances of "guide lists XYZ gear, blizz does rework/tuning 2 weeks later, now gear is different"
balmy condor
im kinda clueless on how stuff has been going in retail, but have there been man...
rarely
we just had that happen on sub kinda
because 12.0.5 reworked a talent on trickster that skyrocketed the value of crit
and then they nerfed it so it came back down
but like it wasn't super dramatic
urban karma
nah, but i was wondering if it was a regular occurence since DF
cause that would make me rather miserable if i was authoring a guide and having to change shit around every tuning pass
balmy condor
yeah I guess the next best trinket from raid only would be the ranger insignia?
that sounds aids
vestal wren
haha
balmy condor
nah, but i was wondering if it was a regular occurence since DF
not really, no
the biggest swings are like early season they'll do trinket tuning
vestal wren
we had bigger gear changes mainly because of the talent rework
give me a sec i have a picture for it
the stat distribution on gear from cloud cover is left
the one we have now is right
which means, you invested more heavily in critical strike for one week if you optimized around it
(or just switched flask to crit, and cba'd)
vestal wren
i mean its like 3 items or so^^
rly massive haha
but people re-craft their gear for it
so there is certainly a part of the player base who tries to be always perfectly optimized
balmy condor
yeh
I mean I think it's a byproduct of the game to some extent
gear and like outside of combat non-rotational stuff you can do, talents/gear/whatever system
are just simply so simple
that the only thing you can do is overthink
the game gives you no other option
vestal wren
to be fair i don't think the simplification of the game changed a lot
raw moth
Do assa sims work in raidbots or are they one of the weird ones?
balmy condor
Do assa sims work in raidbots or are they one of the weird ones?
assa sims are good yes, dungeonslice for m+
vestal wren
the hardest part of gear is breakpoints
the rest is just "fill with best"
btw. whispyr
raw moth
assa sims are good yes, dungeonslice for m+
ty, im simming 128 k for outlaw and only 99 for assa but i feel like the gear / stats are where they should be. any tips?
vestal wren
how do you like that we get these special effect trinkets every patch it seems
that are very lets word it nicely
unique to play
balmy condor
ty, im simming 128 k for outlaw and only 99 for assa but i feel like the gear / ...
I'd have to see the sim, but you also can't really compare specs with sims
balmy condor
unique to play
I like that they're trying to do something interesting
I just think that their idea of interesting
is pretty shit
balmy condor
transmitter is pretty bad yeah
vestal wren
but i always need to think back to bfa
mechagon trinket
with cast time and a channel
🤣
buoyant herald
yeah they had the entire WA for doing it lol
can't wait for everbloom to return so i can download my standalone branch optimiser addon
quiet oar
Forge from last tier, where people used it low health
and just die
Because it was CD Time
golden loom
Netherprism goated trinket
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
quiet oar
Where is my Guzzler
woeful echo
I might be being dumb but has anyone looked at top logs and figured out how people are pressing kingsbane and deathmark within the same second?
reef flower
I might be being dumb but has anyone looked at top logs and figured out how peop...
BL up maybe?
Gcd<1sec?
woeful echo
I thought that but it does it on the second application which would be outside lust as well
loud light
I might be being dumb but has anyone looked at top logs and figured out how peop...
got an example?
woeful echo
woeful echo
must be my knowledge of logs then. How did you get that view?
loud light
Casts tab, Events view
Events gives you actual log lines (cleaned up for readability)
the thing you're seeing show up as 'Deathmark' in your link is the first tick of the dot that Deathmark puts up
which isn't right when the cast happens
woeful echo
that makes sense thank you so much
analog hedge
**Assassination Stats**
You will __always__ get more accurate results using [Rai...
will our dmg goes down by alot if mastery > haste?
i think my mastery is almost double my haste
balmy condor
no
analog hedge
📝
trim oak
I realize the question is a bit pointless looking only at the stats but since it seems to me that I left mastery a bit behind, does it make sense to replace enchant on rings and gems with that or am I overthinking it?
reef flower
Do you guys have alts ? Anyone playing feral or war arms?
trim oak
www.raidbots.com
The difference is so low I can't decide
normal mist
reef flower
The difference is so low I can't decide
Well, if it's not worth it then dont
trim oak
balmy condor
wait
so you simmed it
and the sim said the difference is near zero
then you came here to ask us
for our opinion
buoyant herald
definitely replace enchant
balmy condor
on a near zero difference
buoyant herald
gotta keep the economy moving
normal mist
Feelscraft > simscraft
@trim oak just to be sure, did you click the option to replace the gems and enchants?
trim oak
if I'm close to a 0.3% or something I'd rather ask if someone have found a satisfying setup idk
I feel unconfortable with that mastery, but I think is paranoia
normal mist
You're not helping your case
balmy condor
okay but you do understand that if it's 0.3%, you're not noticing a difference and neither will we
trim oak
mmm
balmy condor
specs have built-in ~15% rng
like playing perfectly with whatever you have, you can do the same fight twice
and swing 15%
rugged basalt
gm
balmy condor
even 1% differences are sort of impossible to notice
I got rank 1 chim this week, the log on the left
the log on the right is a wipe we had immediately before it
the kill log is legit just +15k dps going into the intermission
for seemingly no reason
like I didn't do anything different or change gear or whatever
that's just how it goes sometimes
so I wouldn't worry about like 0.5% or something
if it's better and you got the money
go for it, whatever
if you don't, that's fine too
I'm full haste/mastery gems and don't even have a diamond in my gear
shit is totally whatever
trim oak
crazy, I didn't know a lot of these things.. thank you
rugged basalt
holy smokes
arctic tusk
!fuu
balmy condor
when I play sub I just swap my flask
and then move on with my life
well, and guidon
but I'm on bird
rugged basalt
are ur gems intended for sub haste requirement
balmy condor
so I have to puzzle box on bird
balmy condor
are ur gems intended for sub haste requirement
I gemmed this way to hit the 1100 haste breakpoint for deathstalker before 12.0.5
cause that was funny
rugged basalt
im so sorry
balmy condor
I mean I just felt like it
and no one else was doing it
so I was like hell yeah eleem you know what
rugged basalt
thats fair i was curious
balmy condor
I WILL be that guy
and I just swapped over to make 1100 happen
and then just never bothered changing anything back
I don't think I've simmed my character in like a month ngl
my vaults have been pretty cut and dry
trim oak
But when we have a good overall gear and still change something to try to optimize we usually move by really little steps so even it's a super micro upgrade we should go for it, right? BUT at that point the randomness in the sim became hard to distinguish from a truly upgrade. Like, in the first part of the season I'll never go for a + ~0.3 upgrade. But now? It looks interesting
Maybe I just need a doctor
wary light
I'm full haste/mastery gems and don't even have a diamond in my gear
Holy shit my guy has 50 gems
trim oak
rugged basalt
I think I have only been simming, like, what do I level and in what order...
Super micro? You call?
balmy condor
But when we have a good overall gear and still change something to try to optimi...
I mean like you can make the argument that +0.3% is +0.3% and the swing also moves up +0.3%
but like at the same time holy hell touch grass ya know
rugged basalt
Spend crest be happy clueless emoji
opaque bolt
shell crater
Idk bro the outside be kinda scary
balmy condor
Holy shit my guy has 50 gems
I pulled a gem out of week 1 vault and then got the lura ring and that's it
rugged basalt
Spend crest be happy clueless emoji
balmy condor
it's not actually THAT much
balmy condor
oh no
I did get a second vault gem I think
nvm
idk it's all a fucking blur gear is so piss boring
rugged basalt
I don't think I see myself picking gem for at least the next 2 weeks
balmy condor
reclear mythic raid, collect myth crests, slam it into a myth piece I have (I don't have a myth piece to slam crests into), log out
good gear system I fucking gues
rugged basalt
But then again...maybe it's worth gemming over one extra roll
Idk. Spur of the moment decisions are what keep me sane
wary light
idk it's all a fucking blur gear is so piss boring
Gear fun big number fun brrrr
balmy condor
I should be rerolling pit but I can't be fucked to even do the key to get the opportunity to bonus roll