assassination

[balmy condor]

but even in those it was like 2.5% instead of 3.6% in the worst case

community just loves losing their fucking mind over every little thing

[honest oxide]

yeah, it only helps with direct dam from a target affected by the poison right

just trying to understand it a bit better is all

[balmy condor]

yes, but 99% of the time, the mechanics are attributed to a target

[spice surge]

Damage that is coded to come from the targets

[balmy condor]

like the obelisks on alleria

those aren't "alleria doing damage", but they are attributed to alleria

so it counts as damage from her

which means atrophic works

[spice surge]

Generally just expect it to work unless definitely proven otherwise

[balmy condor]

ye

the situations where it doesn't work are incredibly rare

[honest oxide]

sweet, sending that over to my guild so they have a baseline

thanks guys

[storm forum]

I thought on dragons xalatath was doing some of the mechanics

is it actually attributed to one of the dragons under the hood or something?

[balmy condor]

yeh I guess the dot

I forget that's a mechanic sometimes

[marsh fjord]

guys if patch 12.1 is other void related raid i might kms

[spice surge]

Its trolls

[marsh fjord]

anything beside a other void raid

[balmy condor]

wait until I tell you what we're fighting for the next 3 years

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[hushed vortex]

spec matter? when top 1000 its just about 3 dps class?

[balmy condor]

what does that mean

[spice surge]

Its void with some random .1 for fun patches

Like undermine and the troll island to the east of zulaman

[hushed vortex]

one of those, or just quit

[marsh fjord]

are you doing 21s?

if not

it doesnt matter

[hushed vortex]

try to queu as rogue, tell me

[marsh fjord]

i've been queing rogue for 3 years and i will tell you it does not matter

[slim pebble]

I got 3400 as a rogue solo my guy

[spice surge]

Well yeah pugging while playing nonmeta specs have always been like that

[balmy condor]

idk what the fascination is of playing an rpg and then constantly complaining about the class or spec you play

like I just play rogue cause rogue is sick idk

low cortisol type shit

I don't like outlaw? okay then I won't play outlaw

I like outlaw? okay me play outlaw then

[fresh kelp]

they like playing rogue because rogue is sick but they cant play due to the social environment of pugging

[marsh fjord]

Bro i actually love queing with rogue because yes you rarely get invited but when i do and i out dps a unholy DK i know i'm the shit

[balmy condor]

make some friends idk

play with guild

why are we playing queue simulator mmo

[storm forum]

Pushing with guildies this season has been so fucking fun

[balmy condor]

rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm just so mad that I'm choosing to play the game in the most miserable way possible ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh it just makes me so mad

[storm forum]

I know it means jack shit cause we're on a tiny server, but also feels good to be rank 1 on my server

[abstract steppe]

NOT FOR LONG GIRL

[balmy condor]

I'm not going to spend time making friends though fuck you whispyr I'm just going to sit in queue and bitch on the internet for hours every day while I don't get invited

reeeeeeeeeeeeee

[storm forum]

GO BACK TO POP IDOL LARPING

[bright turret]

who would want to be friends with a filthy rogue though? they dont even make your numbers bigger

[storm forum]

Also phys comp is legit. Find ur other offmeta friends and flip off the meta teams

[marsh fjord]

This was me when i vanished on deathstalker to get my mark on forge araz pylon and it didn't work because they are totems.

[balmy condor]

like people just deadass choose to make themselves miserable and lonely and then bitch about how much the game sucks

I don't get it

[marsh fjord]

These are the same people that are FOTM Rerollers btw 😄

[pallid cape]

how does a new player go about finding a guild to run keys/raids with ? pugging is getting long

[marsh fjord]

Raider.io, recruitment discord. wowprogress. put yourself up for recruitment on raider.io

[pallid cape]

ok ty

[balmy condor]

I meet friends in pugs too

[lime edge]

if ur mutilate crits, does the whole bleed scale off the crit dmg or no

and can it crit again

[balmy condor]

I joined a random group and they were like "yo disc?"

and then we ran keys for two hours in the middle of the night

and one of them is actually the gayest little australian man I've ever met

was tons of fun

[balmy condor]

the bleed works like ignite

it's 25% of the damage you dealt with mutilate

and refreshing it doesn't lose you damage

[lime edge]

oh wtf

[balmy condor]

(it can't crit, because it's a residual)

[lime edge]

[bright turret]

I can see why the little guy might get frustrated with trying to M+. I just want to coin 2 10s real quick, but it's basically impossible to get an invite at 280+ on a Tuesday, when I know people will do half my damage but land the invite simply for being the right spec/class

[storm forum]

These are fun until key time is over and they're openly like "wanna be something-phobic"

And you realize their meme channel is just straight evil

[proven kettle]

oh not the most heinous of channels

random pug discords

[ornate aspen]

Are 10s the wall for rogue? That's not my experience. I have middling IO and am above 280 and have no problems getting invited any time of day

[mortal crag]

Na

It’s just real busy after reset so there’s a ton of people clicking

[bright turret]

I'd say I've spent 90 minutes today just trying to get into a 10 nexus with no luck, but that's always Tuesday. It gets easier later in the week for whatever reason

[ornate aspen]

If I try to pug like 15s sure, 10s? Easy

[bright turret]

Saturday is practically instant invite, Tuesdays are just hard

[spice surge]

Probably because theres a bunch of fully geared mythic raiders going into keys to bonus roll

[bright turret]

Yea I'm not bitter about it, I fully expect and understand why

[proven kettle]

i spent 3 hours waiting for a tank for my own key last night.

lmao

[bright turret]

Just emphasizing with guys that aren't Mythic geared/raided

[proven kettle]

empathizing?

[balmy condor]

sometimes you get stinkers, is what it is

sometimes racist

sometimes gay australian

always exciting

[muted oracle]

no lol

if youre having trouble, just make your own key groups

i dont think ive sat for more than 15min forming this whole season

[balmy condor]

I'm afraid that doesn't fit my doomer agenda

[frosty oxide]

@balmy condor do you think Deathmark needs more love fore mythic plus?

[viscid spear]

Having to explain to the raid group that the other specs were nerfed

[balmy condor]

deathmark? no

[viscid spear]

I knew an Asian-Canadian grandpa that only played the Auction House.

[balmy condor]

based

[patent leaf]

Really loving how Assassin is feeling in these mid/high keys.

[ornate aspen]

Yeah that's what im saying, but someone else was posting about how they can't get into keys

Its those same people that keep trying to get M+ Solo queue added.
Like bro just go play league, M+ actually does a pretty good job of incentivizing making friends in an MMO, why would you want to turn that into a lobby game?

[muted oracle]

my only wish was that there was a more sin flavored hero talent tree but whatever man, i dont care im out here pressing buttons having a good time

[spice surge]

Idk deathstalker is pretty sin flavoured

[bright turret]

heroic tree debuff to go with your CD debuffs

[turbid yacht]

Is Adamantite Sharpening Stone on primary weapon better than Phoenix Oil on Sin right now?

[spice surge]

Yes

[turbid yacht]

I simmed it and it showed as worse, is something weird with the sims? The HTML reports show the increased weapon damage on the weapons.

[muted oracle]

is it? i dunno it seems very sub-like

i dont really care though that blizzard is trying to lure the children in to gambling by flipping coins on the screen over and over during fights

[onyx veldt]

what gem do i put in helmet socket

sims tells me deadly garnet but idk if i simed it correclty lol

[muted oracle]

do you not have the diamond yet

oh nvm

iirc its flawless quick garnet

[mortal crag]

Crit/mast
mast/crit ones

[sick sail]

finally got the pit dagger bonus roll lads

[patent leaf]

I did too! i've been getting extremely lucky on my rolls. Got puzzle box first roll ever

[balmy condor]

big

[shell remnant]

how bad is it to have double crafted weapons If I have myth BiS in my other gear slots?

super unlucker with weapon drops/rolls 🙁

[balmy condor]

bonus roll it

[storm forum]

thats half the reason we suggest rolling for pit

cause its guaranteed this week if you get 1 bonus from unlucky vault

[shell remnant]

used them. no heroic or myth dagger drops after 25+ runs

and used my other bonus rolls for trinket first 2 weeks

[onyx veldt]

also ive never use droptimizer before what does this means

theyre not all upgrades right?

[balmy condor]

looks like just dagger and trinkets

[onyx veldt]

oh okok

[patent leaf]

Dumb question. Do I need puzzle box up before I apply bleeds is it ok to hit it after

[viscid spear]

Bleeds up first, Envenom, use Box, Kingsbane, Envenom (before previous Envenom's buff expires)

[patent leaf]

o7

[viscid spear]

There's also your other CDs to take into account

[round slate]

Hi guys, I have been playing sub this entire season and want to push past +15s, are there any hard numbers for stats I need to focus on? Like min haste, mastery and crit? Right now im at 32% Crit, 17% Haste and 48% Mastery

[bright turret]

oh no that meme is real

[balmy condor]

@frosty cedar happy sinko del mayo loser

stay free

[viscid spear]

[patent leaf]

Nutty

[coral ibex]

bruh i had a generational pull

and then we fucking wiped

all the adds spawned on top of me in the opener

perfect ct spread

[balmy condor]

I was a full 25k lower the pull prior

[coral ibex]

i was doing like 250k

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QcgZhKrMnA4dG8XN?fight=1&type=damage-done&source=12&start=555843&end=597805

[novel dragon]

Any tips for lightblinded vanguard mythic?

save CDs for when all 3 are stacked? use on CD? FoK always?

start focusing first one in execute range?

[graceful bane]

if you dont have blindside talented FoK always

since it'll always be 2+

for cd's in beginning I send it either on senn or the ret cause bel leaves to early for it to finish

[novel dragon]

gotta send on ret, they take bonus damage on pull- but ok FoK always, I was mutilating on 2 target w/o blindside

[coral ibex]

im over here like what if i got sat for paladins right haha

[novel dragon]

We are so ass at this fight

like all 3 specs

[zealous moth]

does blind work on the little lura immune thingies?

[balmy condor]

yes

[zealous moth]

thanks whisp

<3

[solar wyvern]

XD

[random pelican]

@frosty cedar i think you're the one who mentioned SD memes on mythic dragons right? it's as entertaining as imagined

[marsh fjord]

not even first?

[balmy condor]

yeh that'll happen

[marsh fjord]

pack it up boys

[balmy condor]

I killed crown as sub

[marsh fjord]

Unc has unced

[balmy condor]

and will kill belo as sub

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/excuses-files-cabinet-gif-12019483

[storm forum]

only cowards press N

[marsh fjord]

n

what does n do

[viscid spear]

Opens up a window that you can then click the Spellbook tab

[coral ibex]

never on the genny pulls

[fallow canopy]

grats king

[coral ibex]

bonus rolled plume

[fallow canopy]

nice loot

[coral ibex]

[bronze fox]

When it comes to killing Dragons as Sin, most builds go for the Sudden Death sniping of the orbs, but there are a few who just use the build suggested in the FAQ. Most logs I've checked are using Mutilate instead of FoK as builders in that fight when there are 2 targets.

What should I be using as builder on Dragons and Vanguard? Does Secondary Poisoning play a part in it?

[coral ibex]

do i just go ST on lura

are there pub logs yet

[drifting cloud]

no point playing anything other than caustic

[balmy condor]

you should be hitting fok on both

[placid wave]

whats the lore with l'ura, why are there no public kills of it for sin? is there something about timings that sin is particularly bad at

[haughty flicker]

something something in stealth

[balmy condor]

people just have preferred sub

nothing wrong with sin

[bronze fox]

I see a lot of variation in talents for that boss, what should I look for when deciding which one to choose? (Dragons)

[placid wave]

any idea what the important stuff on that fight is for talents? or any private log killers wanna share

[lime edge]

is this gonna be good

[drifting cloud]

if it has same stats as a normal ring then yeah probably

[balmy condor]

you either play the guide build or sudden demise idk

[lime edge]

[primal parrot]

whats up with Vessel of Tortured Souls

i see it sim super badly

[frosty cedar]

that's cause it's super bad

[storm forum]

Whoever was doing the number tuning on it played with one of the historical "pick up a thing" passive trinkets in the past and beat the shit out of whoever designed a newer shittier one and then made the numbers terrible so no one would ever wanna grief themselves using it

[fallow canopy]

someone yesterday that killed it mentioned just going full st but -imp poison +caustic

[worn geyser]

ngl i was running CT still and id prolly lose 1/3 my dmg to crystals if i took it off, but prolly worth anyway idk

[golden loom]

only hero pieces I have left is shoulders and rings so I hit the only item I would take from vault 🔥

[fallow canopy]

I feel like with the nerf, depending on your raid damage our damage on the crystals is overkill

[worn geyser]

yeah probably, i think our group is still in the optimization for that a bit since its first night for us, sin feels mega useless in p1 lmao

just kinda target dummy and dodge the slowest glaives of all time simulator

[placid wave]

yeah thats part of the reason there are so few sin logs

maybe(?)

[worn geyser]

although i was checking charrends logs and on their kill pull he did less crystal dam on sub than I averaged on sin so idk crystal dam prolly just irrelevant and its p2/3 waiting game

I kinda also underestimated how inflated pull count is to p1 wipes, like we had 65 pulls in one night tonight lol, its straight snooze fest if u dont have a job other than kick

[rapid patio]

incredible how my damage increased once i enchanted/gem my gear

[balmy condor]

yeah it's like a solid 6-8%

[indigo mulch]

eyy finally something good from the vault! 😄

[livid lynx]

Got the same today too 😄

[indigo mulch]

[rapid patio]

also swaped to internal bleeding

[signal ridge]

my dagger broke mid key is this wht its like to be @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

yes

[alpine lion]

Could someone explain Sudden Demise? Is it even working? I have a nearly full duration Garrotte and Rupture on a mob here that has ~3k health left, how is that possible with this talent?

[balmy condor]

zero clue why weapon durability is based on amount of white hits

[signal ridge]

cause ur using it more

[balmy condor]

are you in open world

[alpine lion]

Yes, and Delves.

[balmy condor]

yep

open world scaling

fucks it

[alpine lion]

Awesome, so is it only useful in Mythic+, is anyone even running it?

[golden loom]

in 10s

[balmy condor]

not in high keys

or if you're a degenerate on mythic dragons

pay off your guild to not hit orbs

[alpine lion]

So, basically for meter padding and fucking around in 10s?

[balmy condor]

correct

[alpine lion]

Awesome

[rugged basalt]

gm

[ionic elbow]

I got hero puzzle box on Monday (have had bad luck on drops). And now I guess it gets replaced. 😂

It feels so annoying to use though

[honest flower]

Best Feeling ever to just relax during puzzle box before the big damage. 😂 😂 😂

[rugged basalt]

It gets better it gets worse it gets better

Get box get better box have to use box :(

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/kindness-hopecore-peace-and-love-dog-cute-gif-13253096881461448292

[rugged basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/man-i'm-tired-tired-cat-tire-caption-meme-gif-6427457483111934614

Whispyr hasn’t uploaded in 3 weeks is our spec dead? Should I swap to outlaw? ist es over für mich? I do normal raid and heroic dungeons

[sharp viper]

yes

got puzzlebox in vault, that saves some bonus rolls in academy next week I guess

[rugged basalt]

Huge

I’m gonna run some PoS today…precisely two

[sharp viper]

same I guess

[whole skiff]

Best enchants? Do I get 2x rendorei?

[analog hedge]

had a dream where we can cast puzzle box while moving

[balmy condor]

sim

depends on your stats

[rugged basalt]

It’s not even that bad

[grim jay]

While it isnt bad, its certainly more annoying than not having to cast

And less flexible than being able to move

Most of the issues people have with the cast are kinda related to not being able to move

[buoyant herald]

My favourite is when the tank plants, I’ve got some bleeds out as he gathered, I’m ready to go boom

I hit my puzzle box

Tank pops speed pot and runs 40yds away while I’m casting

[rugged basalt]

I’m just relieved it doesn’t have us doing a task after channeling it

[buoyant herald]

Hahahaha true

I was very happy ignoring transmitter tbh

[keen raven]

Good thing it lasts longer than ur burst window

[grim jay]

Cant wait for branch being in the rotation again

[rugged basalt]

Im doing it weird though. Its supposed to be envenom box then cd but im keeping 5 cp, boxing and then doing an envenom before cds

[buoyant herald]

Ooo branch yeah true

Huge in amirdrassil

[rugged basalt]

Insurance in case things get chaotic and I don’t get to do my shit within those 5 sec after env

What that

[buoyant herald]

Can we even use branch without the weakaura? 🤔

[lime lantern]

Guidon 3rd week in a row and still no gaze 🙁

[buoyant herald]

It’s a sign

[lime lantern]

I alrdy had it before getting it in vault 3 weeks in a row, sad 😄

[vagrant hearth]

what ´were the aoe sim settings or do i just put dungeon slice?

[high dust]

Finally... 🥲

[vagrant hearth]

i remember dungeonslice not being accurate

[golden loom]

dslice

[keen raven]

im not a big fan of dslice tbh

i just like choosing 5-10 mobs at 20-40sec windows with/wo lust

[golden loom]

[vagrant hearth]

kk ty

[keen raven]

can sim with dif flasks to see weighting/etc

[golden loom]

I mean when the theorycrafters for the class/spec recommend dslice I just follow that

[keen raven]

Its okay but doesnt really help you understand and it doesnt really sim the best

IE you can run 5-10 diff scenarios of second specific intervals based on pack size and get an understanding of your weightings vs dif mob/timing

Asa rn just feels like crit is king

even when i think i have way too much crit everything with crit just sims better

[golden loom]

I run the exact same gear with only changing a ring for m+/raid anyways

so idk what kind of hidden knowledge those sims ur running can give

[keen raven]

its more so for keys just to see if its worth swapping a flask or ring for

[golden loom]

yeah but then if ur only simming 20 seconds mass aoe

that tells you nothing about the bosses in the dungeon

or anything else

which is why dslice while not perfect is atleast something

[keen raven]

yea but u just sim a boss

u just sim 2-4 min or whatever it is

in same gear/settings

[golden loom]

why go through all that hassle when dslice does the same and then you are still gonna end up with the same gear/consumes whatever else anyways

[keen raven]

because i like understanding my classes stats/#s in different scenarios

[golden loom]

problem there is also that the API surely isnt optimized for 10 target 20 seconds

[buoyant herald]

No matter what I do my sims still want more crit/haste bits

I guess puzzy b does that

[normal mist]

It does do that

[keen raven]

my conclusion is super large pulls crit/mast is ideal, the smaller the pack the more haste gets value

its psmall differences tho ngl

[tacit canyon]

so in m+ / aoe situations, I do my opener with empowered garrote and rupture then spread my bleeds. Then I find that Garrote falls of quite a bit faster than rupture. In that window between me re-applying garrote, and before re-applying my rupture, do I still spread bleeds with crimson tempest, or do I build spend with FoK / envenom before I can re-apply rupture AND then spread bleeds with crimson tempest? I'm confused here

[keen raven]

If every target already has bleeds theresn o need to use crimson tempest

sometimes in keys ill actually reapply an empowered garrote early so that it lines up better to not have to CT again

[tacit canyon]

Do you do Garrote > Garrote in opener then? Or Garrote > FOK > Rupture > Garrote?

[keen raven]

You're opener should a lot of the time be garrote, fan of knive, rupture garrote ct envenom

spread to all targets

puzzle box pop cds

sometimes depending on pack timing ill actually vanish and reapply the longer garrote with ct during cds

[tacit canyon]

surely in aoe you puzzle box + cds before spreading bleeds?

[keen raven]

depends on key, but in higher keys its better to get full bleeds rolling unless its a prio mob that can skip a mechanic by u doing it a lil early

[tacit canyon]

Ah okay. And how would one decide that? Like if it's a 14. Do you just guesstimate?

[golden loom]

in a 14 you for sure just slam cds

[tacit canyon]

Cause it's hard to track whether my dps buddies have CDs up or not

Ah okay

[keen raven]

14 sht prob dying quick af u just cd

[tacit canyon]

yes

but 16+ maybe do what you said?

Or even higher?

[keen raven]

uh idk depends on ur dps/speed XD idk im doin 21s atm

[tacit canyon]

ait ait

[keen raven]

a lot of asa is feel tbh

[tacit canyon]

i'll try to feel it more

[keen raven]

XD

but basically if u can get all ur bleeds up and full puzzle box value its better to get full bleeds rolling first

until like 17-18+s id presume u can just cd first

[open mantle]

for rotation do i apply bleeds then pop cds

coz before i was popping cds before all bleeds were up

[tawny geyser]

Holy SOCKET...

[lone lava]

Socket is like 10ilvl upgrade, feels better to grab a socket now than ever tbh. Considering the bonus roll loot source as well.

I would probably always grab a socket or bonus roll unless there is a bis or useful item with tretiary stat

[buoyant herald]

well you're gonna run out of good bonus rolls soon

[golden loom]

quick lil +14 pit having an aug really boosts the ego doesnt it

[buoyant herald]

aug goes crazy

[rugged basalt]

Only thing I don’t like having done is a third craft

[buoyant herald]

although crashing back to reality isn't great when you realise whats going on

[golden loom]

in my mind its the same overall as I would have with a shaman

[rugged basalt]

Need me an aug shaman party

[buoyant herald]

yeah we'll go with that

[golden loom]

bonus rolled this aswell but not using 20 crests on it to change MH stats

[buoyant herald]

i need that and the neck still, so im in pit prison this week too

[golden loom]

I have vorasius dagger so I mainly did pit for ring

[buoyant herald]

got belt, legs, cloak so far rip

belt ok at least

[lone lava]

Assa prio

[subtle tundra]

having an AI devourer does that

[golden loom]

hes scaling into next key dw

[balmy condor]

doubtful

we're not a vers spec

[lone lava]

Is any class vers hungry atm?

[balmy condor]

definitely more than assa

vers is terribad

[misty holly]

Random Stat? It might not roll vers

If it is locked in to vers, that just means pvp ring.

[buoyant herald]

vers will be good in s3, trust

he's referring to the proc not scaling with vers

well

it does

but we don't have any

so proc more valuable for a spec that does

resto shaman prio, crit vers stack, easy

[balmy condor]

it's not about it rolling vers on the ring, it's about the effect

[subtle tundra]

this gear is the cringe

[upbeat marsh]

just came back from tww, how should we sim for m+?

[shadow wedge]

does anyone know if "very rare" items that come from bonus rolls are also "very rare" , i doubt that but still

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

I'm not sure, but you can hover the bonus roll interface and it'll give you the list of items

[rugged basalt]

There’s no benefit from hitting 285 on all slots aside from crest discount for alts, right?

[balmy condor]

correct

[limber dagger]

ive got champ shoes, myth wrist and belt and heroic back. do i craft embel shoes because its the highest value or back because its lower stat budget in the long run?

[shadow wedge]

they are not listed differently, same chance as any other item i guess

[balmy condor]

you can always just recraft

long run would be wrists

[rugged basalt]

There was a thing to remove embellishment via a recraft

[limber dagger]

yea but the gold 😢

[rugged basalt]

I thought the worry would’ve been the crests 😅

[limber dagger]

ive got 600 crests to farm cause its an alt 👀

[rugged basalt]

You’ll make gold back eventually

[limber dagger]

its a worry but yknow haha

[rugged basalt]

Time to gather and WQ

[grim jay]

just boost 10s

or raid

[limber dagger]

gathering is so low gold already its annoying

should probably boost

but its demotivating cause siting there and queueing for boosts for 30 mins feels ass

[grim jay]

10s are kinda free gold since you can just do those on a char you wanna get your vault with

idk, big sites usually are rather fast

on the boosts

[rugged basalt]

I thought prices for 10s would’ve crashed by now bc people can just rawdog them

[grim jay]

the market for 10s is mostly just random people that wanna drag their lowgear chars through smth

that just hit max lvl

and even it the prices arent high, if you do those runs anyways for your vault, you might aswell get gold for it

[brave gyro]

Augs have it so easy, nobody ever blames them, cuz details don't show it.
But when i log the run and they are still bottom of the barrell, they quickly leave party

[grim jay]

details shows buff uptime

holy scuffed sentence

[brave gyro]

xD

[rugged basalt]

Does details track them incorrectly too since it’s just a skin

[grim jay]

ye

there was that timeframe where details had an estimate

but I guess that got lost with the code restrictions

[rugged basalt]

We need an addon just to narc on augs

[hollow moss]

How should we be simming sin in dslice? It’s simming way less than outlaw & sub for me

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

don't compare specs to each other with sims

[rugged basalt]

No raid buffs aside from bloodlust

[tidal shuttle]

well... which one do I take? 😒

[grim jay]

depends on where you bonusrolled already

ig

[hollow moss]

Oh wow that’s a great explanation, thank you!

[balmy condor]

np

[abstract holly]

Hello, this might be a noob question, but do you guys try to use envenom right before its buff wears off outside of cooldowns or just use it freely

[balmy condor]

freely

[abstract holly]

Thanks

[midnight rampart]

Any good guide for assa haven't played it in ages

[balmy condor]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[midnight rampart]

ty

[shell kraken]

Hey - what raidbot sim setup would you use for Vangard mythic?
Cleave add 2 bosses? (will that be actuallty 2 bossen and 2 adds?)
Patchwerk 2 bosses or 3 bosses?

[balmy condor]

cleave add 2 boss yes

[golden solstice]

M+ big pulls like first one of nexus, do we spam CT to spread bleed before popping cds? Or just do acouple, or go straight into cds then CT spread. It feels like it wastes so much time doing either way

[still nymph]

if they live the full duration of you cds after spreading you can do that. otherwise cds into spread.

or with other words everything under probably +17 you go cds first

[brave gyro]

Imo, if you dont have either, 100% gaze, box you can bonus roll at least twice a week and there is no competition for it
(not to mention gaze is bis for all 3 specs if u decide play other things)

[solemn sandal]

Any idea when i should swap my crit flask for mastery or haste? im currently sitting on 1303 crit (with flask) 756 haste, 429 mastery and only 54 vers

[tidal shuttle]

I already have heroic puzzle box and rolled on chimaerus once. so taking the box seems to make the most sense long term. Problem is my guild wants me to play the "best" rogue spec and if that turns out to be outlaw then I shouldnt be taking the box

[high dust]

Fuck your guild, take the box.

[golden loom]

outlaw

[brave gyro]

box is way easier to farm than gaze (and twice as cheap to bonus roll)
to me its not even a question

[high dust]

Rather be benched than an outlaw player

[rugged basalt]

I’d be shocked if a guild asks the rogue to outlaw in a raid

I would’ve assumed sin-sub swaps

[fast portal]

are there already sims for the new finger coming in 12.0.7?

[tidal shuttle]

ah i forgot you can roll twice as many times in m+

[grim jay]

its not only the cost tho

its about the odds aswell

[balmy condor]

sim angle, but I'm guessing not this season

that's probably a season 2 thing

[balmy condor]

we're not getting it lil gup

we're not a vers spec

[earnest imp]

is anyone really?

[balmy condor]

more than we are

[golden loom]

time to DE

[earnest imp]

sounds like a tank ring

to me

espicially if it doesnt have the -dmg thing tanks have with trinkets thats gonna be dope

[balmy condor]

ye

that is my read as well

it's gonna be tank prio unless the random stats are giga shit

in which case probably whoever the secondaries fit the best

[buoyant herald]

just got this with my last roll of the week, leaving dagger and neck as the last 2 items left on the table 😂

[grim jay]

hey atleast you will have everything you want next reset!

[rugged basalt]

Idk how to feel about random secondary stat raid drop

[grim jay]

imo better than shit secondary stat items

only with effect items its kinda questionable

[hollow escarp]

Time to visit your soul conduit in shadowlanda to get rid off that item in your bags

[rugged basalt]

I suppose

[fast portal]

thought it drops with random stat?

[strange onyx]

Hey chat

[balmy condor]

yeh but its basically just 289 ring

no sims really needed for that

[rugged basalt]

just hit

[balmy condor]

effect is just flat dam, but will be bigger for tanks cause vers

[spice surge]

298*

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[subtle tundra]

tanks will also get it with prio(if youre a serious guild) cause they would replace it later than us next tier

or some shit

suck my dick whispyr

i mean

sorry

[balmy condor]

correct

[subtle tundra]

you seem extra... whimsical today

🫃

[balmy condor]

I am full of beans and tequila

[fast portal]

i see thx

[rugged basalt]

I need that

[indigo mulch]

no monster?

[hollow moss]

How sin damage compared to outlaw? Thinking of swapping to something slower outlaw is gonna give me carpel tunnel

[subtle tundra]

i am banned from tequila

[indigo mulch]

I refuse to believve that.

[balmy condor]

I did a tequila monster

[strange onyx]

What spec I play for L’ura as a rogue who has gear for all rogue specs hello help tyvm have a day good?

[rugged basalt]

Arcane

[safe kestrel]

any recommendations on where to spend 3 bonus rolls? Pit of Saron looks promising. could get crit haste mainhand, wedding ring. possibly also the necklace, but I already have the crit haste neck from raid

[subtle tundra]

i was STUCK in a bathroom and i passed out after vomiting

[strange onyx]

Is not rogue spec

[granite tusk]

Can someone tells me if assa is topping boss dmg why ppl keep playing sub in beloren + L'ura? Can understand Beloren cuz burst is a bit higher but why L'ura?

[subtle tundra]

also i threw a flower pot at people

apparently

i was told

[frosty cedar]

cause they don't know the truth

[rugged basalt]

I didn’t know you wanted a rogue spec, my bad

[balmy condor]

backshot sleeping in because I melted his face off on chim earlier

needed recovery time

[grim jay]

sounds like you should let us inspect your nuts

[rugged basalt]

Don’t we prefer ST in beloren? Does it change in M raid?

[subtle tundra]

cause it does more dmg, not very deep
its just better than assa now

[rugged basalt]

Wouldn’t assa be giga busted due to this

[subtle tundra]

also add dmg is very important!

which sub does better

[strange onyx]

On Belo’ren?

[subtle tundra]

on lura

[balmy condor]

beloren is egg damage and nothing else

you have to dps hold on belo

and sub bursts harder

so

sub fight

[rugged basalt]

Ah.

[subtle tundra]

he said he understood on beloren.........

[rugged basalt]

Submissive fight it is

[strange onyx]

I said I don’t understand you

[rugged basalt]

Will continue to assa

[safe kestrel]

also, why did I get a duplicate in my vault? didn't we have some sort of protection against getting loot from raid you already have?

[strange onyx]

No

[rugged basalt]

We’ve never had this

[granite tusk]

Yeah can understand Beloren, but L'ura adds arent that hard? im gonna start L'ura tomorrow

[safe kestrel]

great

[subtle tundra]

they are

[strange onyx]

Go outlaw like I am

[subtle tundra]

if you think they arent hard you will have a surprise

[granite tusk]

Then im benched

[rugged basalt]

Me, an add:

[frosty cedar]

Bro is lucky I haven't played chim in like 3 weeks

[strange onyx]

Wait Varas is a nephew now? Bro is so uncced it grows moss on his head

[frosty cedar]

And probably won't until Laura is dead

[subtle tundra]

Seli demoted me(or promoted...?)

he is unc im nephew

[balmy condor]

I demoted you

[strange onyx]

Timelines all wonked after Whispyr shaved his beard and started looking he was 31 instead of 41

[balmy condor]

like 2 weeks ago

[quaint dragon]

/sheet

[balmy condor]

/shit

[runic hinge]

/shoot me

[quaint dragon]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strange onyx]

!SD

😔

[subtle tundra]

ok papi ;3

[runic hinge]

:3

[frosty cedar]

!swordweaving

[strange onyx]

!Skoop

Skoop is cool

[subtle tundra]

cap?

🧢

[runic hinge]

Misinfo

[rugged basalt]

!misinfo

[balmy condor]

is there a misterinfo?

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-devil-diabolique-evil-gif-9725651736562738158

[runic hinge]

[rare stone]

what is it with tanks chaining the final ad into another big pack instead of letting us reset stealth

[balmy condor]

speeding up the key

[rare stone]

like 0.5 more seconds, restealth, more damage for next pack

[balmy condor]

maybe not the last add, but like

chaining is very strong

[rare stone]

100% different if they are chaining quick

but they're dangling the last ad everytime in 14/15's

[frosty cedar]

chaining is strong.. break free of your chains ..

[rare stone]

I mean im sure its just because of pugging and not having a dedicated group but like

idk how to play around it

[spice surge]

Stop thinking about it. Getting a restealth doesnt matter much at all

[strange onyx]

Stop being bad

[rare stone]

facts'

[strange onyx]

Just use the macro

Makes it easy to restealth

[chrome karma]

Hey all... Did they change stuff with macros recently? My Deathmark/trinket macro aint working

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13

Might be me being an idiot 😄

[rare stone]

is that just macroing stealth to every button? haha

[spice surge]

Well you cant macro puzzlebox

[chrome karma]

Ohh... so its puzzlebox related... Got it ^^ Thx

[rugged basalt]

You can macro every possible lights potential to dm instead

[whole skiff]

Does tricks of the trade just not work anymore?

In M+ I keep getting threat

[boreal jay]

So if the tank is awkwardly chaining... like running into the next pack with kne mob alive so u can't imp garote a big pack. That doesn't matter?

One mob*

[strange onyx]

No

Send vanish

[boreal jay]

Because that shit feels terrible

[strange onyx]

It really doesn’t

[spice surge]

well you can spread your bleeds from that mob to the next pack, so you dont need to reapply them

[strange onyx]

If he runs with a mob on 2% just stay back a bit and drop combat. If he runs into the next pack with 4 mobs on 30% health think of all the execute you get as the other dps send cds on the new mo s

[spice surge]

But also its not like improved garrote makes you do like 30% more damage total

[boreal jay]

I like tanks chaining but that feels more like extending the pull if u know what I mean

[strange onyx]

At this point bro ain’t even feelscrafting, he is grammarcrafting

[iron thorn]

solved the question

assa best

[whole skiff]

Need to pump those numbers up Unius

[iron thorn]

just a 12

[iron thorn]

aug detected

[strange onyx]

Rip theorycrafting

[strange onyx]

Have you hit the training arc after I humbled you?

[astral pine]

what does it mean to "pandemic" a garrote?

[iron thorn]

i think i just got some good upgrades during that

like a myth puzzyb and gaze

!pandemic

[prisma monolith]

Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs

[astral pine]

oh sweet

ty

[iron thorn]

yw

[astral pine]

honestly had a feeling it was just the term for extending it but wasnt sure

[iron thorn]

term originally comes from a warlock talent iirc

[buoyant herald]

that is indeed where it started, was a talent in MoP i believe

then they realised it was kinda nutty QoL and all dots should just behave that way

[still nymph]

i know the feeling. It really stings. But Whispyr said once that in a perfect run with restealthing its like 3-5% overall dmg. so no big deal

[strange onyx]

Somebody sneezed on me in 2021 and Appearently I only had 6 seconds left of my cold, but then it was a pandemic?

[strange wolf]

!sim

how do we sim as assa?

[strange onyx]

Don’t trust his lies

[iron thorn]

patchwerk and dslice

[iron thorn]

ALWAYS complain about chainpulls

if you don't get a restealth, insta chat

[strange wolf]

one boss patchwork or just like any info?

[still nymph]

Loa of Misinformation
😕

[iron thorn]

1 target, however long the boss you're killing takes (like 5mins mostly i guess)

[still nymph]

well, i will complain about those one mob on 1% health chain pulls. at least in voice. because that is just bullying

[iron thorn]

yes

exactly

[foggy juniper]

is there any talent changes to do in low keys most of the time im below tank 🙁

[astral pine]

theres a weekly key spec with sudden demise

[iron thorn]

that just means you're not playing correctly at all

like no hate, but you're doing something fundamentally wrong then

[foggy juniper]

but i dont know what im doing wrong targets die too fast

[iron thorn]

look a little further up

that was a 12

almost +3

you can do dmg even when pulls dont live long

[foggy juniper]

how do you do with like lock and bm hunter ?

[iron thorn]

similarly well

[foggy juniper]

i get to spread dots then they dead mostly

[astral pine]

how low are these keys exactly

[rugged basalt]

I vocally complain even if I’m wrong btw

[iron thorn]

yes lans

perfect

[still nymph]

the only thing you should be missing are the big cd phases, as your prio target dies instantly, but otherwise your dmg should be there. at least over the tank

[rugged basalt]

Yeah lowkey what do you define as a low key

[foggy juniper]

8-10s overall i am above tank

[rugged basalt]

Is your tank like 285 ilvl

[foggy juniper]

i think he was 272+

and i am 266

[rugged basalt]

If the ilvl is comparable I can only assume there’s something going wrong in rotation

[astral pine]

so you're saying any key below an 8 your struggling to stay above the tank?

[foggy juniper]

i mean closer to tank overall than to lock or hunter ye

[astral pine]

oh ok

[rugged basalt]

If you’re #1 in boss dmg it’s balanced out

Are you using your cds if you’re more than 2 min away from a boss fight

[strange onyx]

I can teach you

[foggy juniper]

i just use them so sometimes i dont have cds for boss but what is rotation like?

[still nymph]

what i noticed if enemies die too quickly is that you should value caustic higher than spreading your bleeds. only use CT until 5CP and use envenom and stay on that target to cleave off of it

[rugged basalt]

Idk what’s “correct” but I usually try to have the cds up for boss or at least close to weakness period. There are exceptions to this with some bosses, like nexus right side boss, cavern last boss

[strange onyx]

Send cds on cd

[still nymph]

yeah

[rugged basalt]

I greed

[strange onyx]

But be smart about it

[still nymph]

more uses > more boss dmg

but dont use them for the last 20% of the pack :D

[rugged basalt]

I burn kb usually but I estimate when dm will come back and think it out

[foggy juniper]

like on dummies i do 200k burst and fall to 180k i think

[strange onyx]

Seems low

Jk

Seems high

Jk

It seems

[rugged basalt]

Wowhead has a rotation page

But just add one envenom before puzzlebox

[foggy juniper]

i dont have puzzle box yet sadly

[rugged basalt]

Voidstorm renown trinket is amazing till you get better trinkets

Crucible

[iron thorn]

IF

you can be bothered to upgrade it

[foggy juniper]

i didnt have the rogue for many days so i think i have 2 upgrades on that

[rugged basalt]

You only need 3 upgrades out of all of it anyway

[foggy juniper]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/ravencrest/Enagrogue this is my items trying to get into pos 10 to get dagger

[iron thorn]

i'd prefer on use if i had to play pvp trinket tbf

[foggy juniper]

yea i use that for pvp just dont have anything better atm but i guess i can get that crucible now

[brave gyro]

your gear is lower ilvl, but not bad at all, as Unius said, you're prob missing fundamentals. Start with going over the wowhead guide, there is a rotation section. Whispyr keeps it up to date

[foggy juniper]

how much overall should i be doing at 266? around?

[iron thorn]

100k is a good thing to strive for imo

[slim pebble]

Did I read correctly that we have maintenance again today

[analog field]

in lower dungeons it will not be easy to keep 100

assa is below that for sure, no time to ramp

[iron thorn]

i mean you just shouldnt be doing anything under a 10 really

10s are so free

[analog field]

yeah but a 10 is still very bad for assa

especially in a pug context

[iron thorn]

and i still outdps fotm specs in a 10 on assa

so?

[analog field]

yeah but it is reasonable to also not do 100k on a 10

with smaller pulls

or good players

Espeically without sudden demise your meters will not be very good

you cant even send dm kb on a mob

it dies mid duration

[foggy juniper]

i think i was at 86k in a pos 10 yesterday

[rugged basalt]

I’m valued for my “utility” and “boss dmg” and “presence”

[foggy juniper]

should i be playing sudden demise?

[analog field]

I mean if you want to get familiar with the ''proper'' build so you do higher keys , don't

but if you want to have big dmg you have to

[supple monolith]

mythic main hand over mythic gaze correct

[analog field]

Probably not

[iron thorn]

once again, to be below tank dps there's some fundamentals going wrong

[rare stone]

mythic main hand infinitely easier to get over gaze

[rugged basalt]

Gaze lowk harder to obtain, you can farm dagger off PoS with bonus loot

[analog field]

with bonus rolls you take gaze for sure

[rugged basalt]

Changing loot spec to outlaw and farming PoS today 🤤

[analog field]

my AA nightmare starts this week

[iron thorn]

AA is no nightmare

peak key

[analog field]

I really dislike it

[iron thorn]

in general i must say there's not really a key i dislike this season

[analog field]

it's ok but compared to others

[iron thorn]

mayyybeee skyreach

mayybe misery caverns

[rugged basalt]

I like skyreach

[analog field]

yeah I agree all keys are goodish

[iron thorn]

but even those are fun when pull big

[lime edge]

Seat

[analog field]

But the new ones feel new compared to the others I would say

[lime edge]

[rare stone]

Seat is just boring imo

[rugged basalt]

I dislike parts of a dg never the whole dg

I dislike seat outright nvm

That’s my one time

[iron thorn]

nah i do like seat

[rare stone]

Seat or Dawnbreaker?

[iron thorn]

seat

fuck that buggy mess of a dungeon

[rugged basalt]

I also have strange takes though. I hated Dawnbreaker and loved priory

[iron thorn]

priory was PEAK

[rare stone]

I also liked priory... as a tank though

[clear knoll]

A hero track gaze would beat any myth trink?

[iron thorn]

yes

but as always

[rare stone]

I mean any M+ trinket yes

[rugged basalt]

Is there more context behind that question

[rare stone]

prob not raid myth trinks

[iron thorn]

i mean there's only one other passive raid myth trinket no?

[slim pebble]

For me hero track gaze beat every other raid trinkets regardless of ilvl

[rugged basalt]

Puzzlebox is a mainstay, so it’s really slot 2 you’re comparing. Heroic gaze would be beaten by mythic gaze, but I don’t remember the sims for plume

[rare stone]

oh my brain is fried, I was in warrior disc before and thinking im talking in the arms disc

yeah puzzle and gaze

[iron thorn]

arms

ass

both parts of the body

soo i get the confusion

[rare stone]

yeah just collecting the body parts at this point

[rugged basalt]

DH is basically dih

[iron thorn]

[lime edge]

Isnt the ring just a free upgrade

Won't every assa use it

What else are u gonna use

[slow orbit]

i have a question.. why we use hungering victory -a versa mastery weapon- instead of crit haste or crit mastery weapon?

didnt expect getting answer via reaction but thanks!

[lime edge]

Pretty sure hungering victory is only there because its a myth attainable wep

The bis gear thing isnt taking into account random vault or new reroll

[slow orbit]

makes sense ty

[golden loom]

the important part is high ilvl mainhand

the secondary stats on weapons is kinda low anyways and the way less relevant part

[subtle tundra]

its a free upgrade on every single spec

but its more of an upgrade for tanks bcs of the proc, so it goes to tanks for long-term

you baka

fucking baka

fuck you

sorry

this is not the real me

[lime edge]

Wouldnt we have significantly better proc rate than a tank

Do tanks even do a lot of nature dmg

[subtle tundra]

idk if we know how the proc works

but its usually limited

[lime edge]

Well it says on dealing nature dmg is what I mean

How do they get nature dmg

[subtle tundra]

by using spells

[lime edge]

Every tank has nature spells?

[subtle tundra]

idk u tell me

[lime edge]

I thought basically none of them did

But idk

[subtle tundra]

i dont play tanks

its just ptsd of every proc loot going to tanks

[lime edge]

[clear knoll]

When there’s just 2 targets do yall FoK them at the same time or mutilate one at a time

[normal mist]

I swear to god

Fok is such a versatile word

[silk merlin]

i am praying to get mythic gaze this week, but im happy with what i got so far

[royal lantern]

ofc its a rogue

[analog hedge]

my collection of puzzle box

[runic hinge]

Did you send him a request

[worldly sail]

me when i see a mercy in my team in overwatch

[sick sail]

my gear looks like yours but i’m 278! I got the void ring instead of the star band, so use my tokens now at academy now right, still need mythic puzzle, goal is to transition from sub to assa

[silk merlin]

i blasted one bonus roll today in pit and got weapon, my luck is used up this week

[normal mist]

Most pit items are good rolls tbf

[wispy iris]

i did a key with this person too lmao

[silk merlin]

found some luck again i guess haha

[gleaming imp]

Love finding leech/speed on gear. Got myth puzzlebox with leech, myth tier helm with speed. poggies

[coral ibex]

speed is my bis

[silk merlin]

you like my trinket then 😛

[sick sail]

haha I got it on my 6th bonus roll attempt lol, good thing is the cloak is the last item and i’m definitely not farming that

yea I basically use all the gear from pit, some of them replaced my crafting gear too

[quiet star]

is Undreamt God's Oozing Vestige anyhow useful? I already have myth prism and rolling for gaze

is it st?

[night delta]

Seems tailored for AoE, dunno if good in these specific circumstances

usually AoE trinkets are good at what it says on the tin but not great all-rounders

[quiet star]

yeah looks like
-0.4

looks like crit chance better for my dots

[faint mural]

What addon is this?

[sacred oyster]

its very chonky, i had the elvui shadow and light armory but switched to that too

[faint mural]

❤️

[sacred oyster]

where you get a +3 stamina glove enchant

i got my chest in vault and PB on first roll yesterday. Now im torn on next steps, terrace will take care of shoulders helm back, but SEAT will take care of all but cape, which I do have the AA cape too so while not the best stats, its a 0.1% difference vs MT back so it could just be my last crest upgrade.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d1qh7QfemAW4XBgPeoAWLh

[nimble bloom]

Hey team, assa or sub? In m+

[sacred oyster]

whichever you like playing more

but you're asking in sin channel so sin

[nimble bloom]

😂 sryyyyyy

🙏

[sacred oyster]

you will be fine no matter what you play

DE your sub specific gear then you can just say I can only play sin.

[nimble bloom]

I will go with assa

[dark urchin]

good choice

as you can see I was a sub rogue few years back and never changed back since assa is like crack

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-singular-point-singular-point-godzilla-gif-13452255707649624913

[shut panther]

Hey, what are ideal stat goals?

[normal mist]

Item item level

And no versa

Or little versa

Or whatever versa raidbots tells you to run with

[uncut orbit]

where to use puzzle box in opener? before or after deathmark? and is it troll to macro pot into deathmark?

[normal mist]

Why would it be troll

It's dm your biggest offensive cd?

[uncut orbit]

ok

[silk merlin]

before deathsmark

[uncut orbit]

im too used to macro on devourer griefing me and im sleep deprived so makes sense

[spice spire]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[bitter cliff]

Hey guys weird question. Switching to dps as I've hit my goals on my main. Looking for a low apm class. How much down time does assa really have? Looking for something that is nicer to my hands then pwar.

[normal mist]

That's what I said but with extra steps 🙁

[sacred oyster]

aoe almost none lol, ST you may slow down pace a lil bit and will hit some pooling periods but there will still be a lot of ride the gcd bursts for most part. however due to the crappiness of the games action system not registering your action, i do sometimes have to slow down my thought process to make sure envenom goes off before i hit builder again.

[quiet star]

wtf it's harder to find party in 10th algethar than in 17

[bitter cliff]

Ah I see. Thanks! And how's the survivability of the spec? Deciding between feral and assa tbh. Something with bleeds and stealth.

[sacred oyster]

put in your note that you bring punch and pie and wardrums.

[sacred oyster]

well feint is an amazing personal thats typically always up when you need it. then multiple CC's. if you mean how much can we take hits, well not much at all, but evasions good to evade attacks if tank dies and trying to survive long enough for them to get back up. i know ive saved some wipes doing that.

[quiet star]

oh ye how I can compete with that

[sacred oyster]

rename your char to Devourhunter

[onyx veldt]

aye

[sacred oyster]

I had avoidance on my hero PB, didnt get any tert on myth one 🙁

[onyx veldt]

wasted 3 BR for this bs

[sacred oyster]

well was none of the other itesm you got gonna be used? i got my plat star band last week so it wasnt a waste

[onyx veldt]

got cloak and band

[sacred oyster]

but if you myth raid i guess band wont be used.

[onyx veldt]

but my rings sims higher i think

[spice spire]

As someone who is the opposite, (sin main pwar alt) While we don’t have downtime assassination is far kinder than pwar because of our fixed gcd and nothing really off of it that we use often (like IP)

[onyx veldt]

heroic ones

AH

[sacred oyster]

well you gota upgrade it lol, but star bands like 2nd/3rd place for non raid rings. stars better for M+, wedding for raid. paired with void

[onyx veldt]

i think

no i did

[spice spire]

Survivability is good with elusiveness added in

[onyx veldt]

i think its bc i did put an enchant on sim

[sacred oyster]

why do you have natures fury enchants on

[spice spire]

Cloak is busted and evasion helps in a pinch

[onyx veldt]

idk some1 recommended that to me lmao

[sacred oyster]

eyes is top for rings for pretty much everyone

[onyx veldt]

okay imma swap then

[sacred oyster]

except maybe lik a 240 lol

[spice spire]

Sim your enchants homie

2% Crit is a lot!! Too much even

[onyx veldt]

i hate reading bro

zzzzzzz

[spice spire]

🥀

[onyx veldt]

AHAHAH

[fallow canopy]

🥀

[sacred oyster]

its not even 2% crit, its bonus damage to your crits, so the higher your crit rate, the better.

[onyx veldt]

oh i see

[crude granite]

can you bonus roll again when youre locked out of m+ raid?

[sacred oyster]

and im sitting at like 42% CR i think

[onyx veldt]

im at 39

snif

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[bitter cliff]

Yeah, just played around on my rogue and feral. And dunno rogue seems more fun to me and has transmogs/mounts. Thanks for the advice guys! appreciate it! Hope the solobility isnt too rough in the beginning.

[quiet star]

imagine pressing three fans in a row because of no crit

[onyx veldt]

can i enchant cloak?

[spice spire]

It is definitely by comparison to a tank (even though it’s my alt I do most solo content on warrior)

But it’s not so fragile that it knocks over

Leveling a rogue is always the most frustrating part of the class especially if you’re going assassination

[sacred oyster]

45% with flask

[spice spire]

Don’t have to I’ve lived it

[quiet star]

yeah not beng meta class sucks

[sacred oyster]

it gets better as your ilvl goes up. lot of ppl love seeing 280+

[quiet star]

man

I'm 282 3500+

[sacred oyster]

geez lol

[quiet star]

it's not better

[sacred oyster]

ok then i cant explain rejections there

some ppl are just potato brained

[golden loom]

the key to keys is to only do weeklies and do it by listing your own key

[spice spire]

You get it

[sacred oyster]

its my understanding that you get the 6 vault coins if any 3 cards are filled out right. I wonder if its simpler to just run LFR get 3 cards filled and take coins every week and just bonus roll instead lol. though would still need myth crests

[onyx veldt]

@sacred oyster ure right

band sims higher

[sacred oyster]

its mainly cause band is mostly crit stacked in its stats

[golden loom]

if you want the real fastest way to get 3 vault slots you would slam 8 tier 1 delves

legit take 2 min per

[onyx veldt]

yea

[golden loom]

thats a 289 ilvl band tho

[onyx veldt]

yh i didnt sim it with enchant before

i was like wtf

[sacred oyster]

crafted legs was a bit of a surprise though lol. i got lucky at hero tier and got the delve legs which were super good, but then got the BIS ones from vault at myth. i wish could get those delve legs in myth

[onyx veldt]

yeah ahahah

i still have one BR left tho

maybe i go flip it in pit

[sacred oyster]

you should sim swapping your boots to the set boots, they are heavier crit stacked

[onyx veldt]

ohhh alright ill do that

what about helm leeching is always better than avoidance?

[golden loom]

They are both defensive

Doesnt matter

Pick the one with the cooler name

[onyx veldt]

LOL

[sacred oyster]

i prefer avoidance as it could be the difference in being 1 shot or not.

[golden loom]

On dk I have speed on boots/shoulders/helm

[sacred oyster]

and in like raids it feels like itll prob reduce more damage than leeching would heal

[golden loom]

Atleast you feel speed

[storm forum]

Leech shows up on the meters and is always a little good, but avoidance is way better if it actually affects relevant things

[golden loom]

Avoidance and leech are fake stats

[sacred oyster]

as tank? i can see tanks needing speed more.

[onyx veldt]

avoidance sounds cool

[golden loom]

Dps dk

[onyx veldt]

[golden loom]

I dont play tank

Dk is already unkillable and needs to run for all its movement so speed is very good

[sacred oyster]

if a group worried about how much self healing im getting from leech vs potions/crimson/defensives used, im just gonna bounce lol

[storm forum]

It's not for the group, it's so you can get 100 parses and pretend it's damage

[sacred oyster]

I feel like I'm pretty aggressive on self healing and gotten way better at defensives too

lol...

[storm forum]

Will of Valera + prydaz in legion for 100 healing parses cause I was so bad at the game.....

[sacred oyster]

i pulled a 95% parse on HC vora last night, was nice. and that was 100% boss dmg no ads

[subtle crown]

With the dragons, is it better to CT when the adds are up to spread bleeds or FoK since they don’t last super long to he more envenoms?

[merry sparrow]

for dragons im gonna take Sudden Demise so i can still yolo out my bleeds
(will be my first raid as assassin today, so this could be bad advice!)

[onyx veldt]

yup ure right

[royal lantern]

dont

its literally troll lol

unless you think its good to go full "lmao im a parsewhore that takes negative impact for prog raiding"

[twin hull]

sin in m+ fatebound...we finish on how many cps?

[frosty cedar]

5+

[frosty cedar]

yep definitely dont do it on prog lol

[real pike]

yo are sims broken?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7K1djKoWWtHfiFkRrACM77

how tf is it a dps loss for a straight ilvl upgrade

[worldly sail]

no gems

[real pike]

in a trinket?

[worldly sail]

the rings

[real pike]

so if I untick all the gem options it doesn't just copy my current ones into the sims?

fk this shit I'm going back to Gear Compare

[worldly sail]

i guess you had replace gems and then the diamond only selected

[twin hull]

5+ meaning can still finish on 5 cps as well right?

[frosty cedar]

yeppers

[real pike]

well thanks for the help

I'm too old for this Top Gear nonsense

[frosty cedar]

name fits

[sacred oyster]

yeah why was the rings even in that sim

wth does your topgear page look like for that

[merry sparrow]

o its like our 4th/5th kill so i should be fine to meme a bit

[real pike]

looks like arabic to me

actually devastated at Gear Compare running on low power these days

[frosty cedar]

thats cause its basically useless

[real pike]

I'm gonna meme on Chimmy tonight and go down with the tank on the sacrifice to try and pad on adds

gonna either parse 0 or 100 no in between

[sacred oyster]

never used it but im not sure what you are struggling with, its just select anything you want to compare. i just dont see how you ended up with what you did unless you added copies of your rings w/o sockets to the ring list

[frosty cedar]

he probably jsut had all gems off when he ran the sim, his current ones already have them

[sacred oyster]

yeah but why didnt the sim run a check on current rings + trinket only

[golden loom]

Adds that dont die do not count towards parses do they?

[frosty cedar]

prolly cause he specifically added new rings to the top gear set I guess