i tried g1 on chim
#assassination
coral ibex
i do
thorn thorn
I had the real terimisu yesterday
haughty flicker
real dirt cake pog
severe meadow
using puzzle box pre pull
I mean you can but you're losing so much value on it
onyx veldt
I mean you can but you're losing so much value on it
hmmm
bc
im doing puzzle 2-3sec before pull and this allows me stay on boss when adds are spawning to use KB again
idk maybe skill issue
balmy condor
aaaaaaaaa
severe meadow
im doing puzzle 2-3sec before pull and this allows me stay on boss when adds are...
why can't you stay on boss during adds..?
with kb
are you splitting off boss to do adds
onyx veldt
are you splitting off boss to do adds
yea?
severe meadow
why
onyx veldt
oh well
cunning needle
I am soakbot
join us in the goal keeping duties as well
it's so freeing
gone are the constraints of having have 100% uptime on a boss
no longer are we chained to having to damage the boss
we can be free to roam the arena as we wish
patent heart
Anyone have a cheat sheet for paladins of who to deathmark
severe meadow
im a nice rogue
worse off swapping to adds
but if thats how you wanna do it, more power to you
onyx veldt
cunning needle
press pbox 1.7 seconds before birb lands
digital elk
I do
severe meadow
what about chimera
nah you swap there
cunning needle
why is pbox horrible then
severe meadow
I just bleed them and shadowstep back to chim
onyx veldt
nah you swap there
sad
severe meadow
before my bleeds fall off
balmy condor
why is pbox horrible then
cause he has to find a reason to ping me about some random shit
digital elk
wat
cunning needle
cause he has to find a reason to ping me about some random shit
don't we all?
digital elk
I did the same thing you did showing you're on the boss lol
coral ibex
you reply pinged him tho
cunning needle
cunning needle
sorry, for pinging you
that's okay don't let it happen again
onyx veldt
that's okay don't let it happen again
digital elk
jokes on you I don't get notifications, this shit is max muted
cunning needle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/guilds/706128813913800799/users/326789786352484353/av...
digital elk
if it were up to me reply would never ping by default
cunning needle
if it were up to me reply would never ping by default
digital elk
by default<<
cunning needle
get not pinged
zealous moth
warped moon
50k gold ez money!
severe meadow
coulda been 500k
elfin flame
was there something about garrote snapshotting puzzlebox and pot
like u want to recast it after using trinket + pot
or no
idr
coral ibex
got patched
thorn thorn
elfin flame
kk thanks
worn geyser
yay birb dead
cunning needle
gzgzgz
worn geyser
L i didnt beat the only other sin rogue this patch
thorn thorn
Whats melee uptime
worn geyser
Whats melee uptime
i dunno it shows as blank when i check edit: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JLGYxwMBjydTDKat?fight=31&type=damage-done&source=76
storm forum
i do not love these back to back council fights where i get giga gapped by all the ranged
haughty flicker
fallow canopy
yay birb dead
grats š
fallow canopy
we are struggling with egg dam
time to join us in doing cringe sub shit for max egg damage 
digital elk
i liked this tier until this boss
royal hazel
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
stuck lodge
Damn those kicks on M chim are rough
Guild wiped for 3 hours trying to get that shit sorted
burnt ember
If you're having to go on adds a lot during mythic salhadar, consider M+ spec. I just did it and the QoL and DPS are much better.
If that's standard practice then consider me dumb
balmy condor
if you're having to go on adds a lot during mythic salhadaar
you need to slap your tanks
coral ibex
time to join us in doing cringe sub shit for max egg damage <:garf:1320173032743...
oh no i mean like add damage
the eggs that spawn after
burnt ember
you need to slap your tanks
For me it's needing to slap our dps lmao
If I don't do it, ain't nobody damn doin' it š
craggy basin
hey how are people opening on myth pallys
balmy condor
If I don't do it, ain't nobody damn doin' it š
I mean you should be able to pad plenty hard as long as the tanks aren't moving the boss to africa
you just CT and get some caustic
and it's gg
but like playing m+ spec is just
kinda whack
there is zero shot you're getting enough uptime on scent
and the orbs aren't on top of the boss so your pb damage probably also kinda ass
ember relic
How to improve as sin?
knotty vapor
read the guide and practice?
slim pebble
Just keep hitting your buttons in the specified order
burnt ember
I mean you should be able to pad plenty hard as long as the tanks aren't moving ...
Oh 100% you're right, it's extremely dumb, but I was definitely finding that scent was giving me a lot better energy generation in my particular situation.
It's a bad situation because my tanks are kinda iffy and so is the rest of the dps and orbs stay around way too long
balmy condor
Oh 100% you're right, it's extremely dumb, but I was definitely finding that sce...
that scent was doing what now
burnt ember
Oh sorry my bad I meant venomous wounds
balmy condor
yeah but you take that regardless no?
balmy condor
fair enough I guess
burnt ember
But you're right there's no obvious reason it should be better lmao
I mean I guess damage could be going up if the orbs are living a long time because of scent (actually this time)
But idk
Actually I do have a question, sometimes kingsbane and deathmark regrettably get de-synced when crazy shit is going on
burnt ember
Do you ever hold one for the other or do you just send when you have it?
balmy condor
depends on the fight and the desync
that's not really something that's theorycrafted
because like
it really shouldn't ever desync
burnt ember
Right because it's just wrong if it happens
balmy condor
sometimes maybe it can during m+, but that's a giant can of worms cause holding would then depend on your next like 3 pulls
in raid though you're just hitting on cd
burnt ember
Yeah I think I'm being forced to do too much target swapping by lazy dps so I'm running into situations where I'm using kingsbane late and having to be too far from a primary target
And then it gets de-synced
Which should never happen
And is only happening because of bad positioning
burnt ember
Yeah that shouldn't make a big difference except for scent, so I guess if the orbs were dying faster that would be strictly not worth
scenic stratus
I feel like my damage struggles in the muro fight inside maisara is there like any like optimizations I can do during that fight? Unsure what im doing wrong on it tbh. rest of the dungeon feels fine just that one fight
solar wyvern
Rogue is just not very good at 2 target
Just do ST rotation and replace mut with fok and maintain bleeds
ancient ingot
Guys am I right or for 12.0.5 blitz make dm swap target if our target die?
ancient ingot
Ah okay
lapis lantern
When Iām low on energy / no tea up for a while, do i still hammer envenom on ST or do i just try to chain envenom?
And do you guys spare energy or try even to spare tea before big cd?
balmy condor
doin alright
radiant aspen
nice
pearl steppe
Am i going crazy or they share a gcd
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
/cast Deathmark
/cast Kingsbane
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCDTy ty
quiet star
why in aoe opener we go with garrote - garrote - fan - rupture
and not with garrote - fan - rupture - garrote?
balmy condor
you can do both
halcyon thunder
someone please please tell me what poison lethal we are supposed to use in all cases , deadly or instant
balmy condor
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
halcyon thunder
so amplify + deadly? in M+?? or
balmy condor
with the standard builds, yes
balmy condor
all the poisons do the same damage as instant
halcyon thunder
how much is my damage about to change
balmy condor
probably like ~5%
halcyon thunder
jfcccc
balmy condor
like
if you read the poisons
deadly poison is just instant, but it also has a dot
amp poison is just instant, but it also buffs envenom
and instant poison doesn't have a debuff attached to it, so you're not getting lethal dose value from it either
quiet star
you can do both
yes, but I mean maybe I'm missing something
halcyon thunder
you just blew my mind hahah ty sm
balmy condor
yes, but I mean maybe I'm missing something
nah just doesn't matter
quiet star
because second garrote after rupture sounds like better timing for future
balmy condor
sure
frosty cedar
instant poison on assa is crazy work
honest comet
I'm i crazy for using wound poison in the first area of miasara? The trolls have some regenbuff
sinful fable
do we have access to any tricks addon? There used to be one in which you made a macro and used the addon to always trick tank
or is that nuked via addon purge
honest comet
Also if I'm using wound poison at the start, should I use amp or deadly as the second one?
I would assume amp if talented
keen reef
Is assa Benefit More from dh or Monk in grp?
polar jasper
do we have access to any tricks addon? There used to be one in which you made a ...
!tricks
prisma monolithBOT
lyric sierra
watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTQIyN6VmTY - What does he mean at the end, in āmistakesā section, with 2 stacking Improved Garotte?
buoyant herald
Is assa Benefit More from dh or Monk in grp?
monk, by a tiny bit. both are the 2 worst buffs
agile trout
hi guys i have a question :). When ur setting up bleeds on a big pull in m+. Do you overcap on combo points and prioritize to get all bleeds up or envenom when full cp's?
i find that it takes forever to get all my bleeds out when doping the later option
zinc frost
Just send envenoms whilst pressing CT
somber barn
hello fellow sin players. can someone give me a bit feedback about what i can improve, pls? https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gFrh4y9dBvtCm1HA - I am "ArchĆe". Last time the feedback was rly good. š
rancid anvil
Any tips for how to best swap to prio adds in raid boss fights? Are we pooling before swap? Holding combo points to get rupture up instantly?
subtle tundra
watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTQIyN6VmTY - What does he m...
this guy says that you dont want to send your burst before you send every bleed out because deathmark increases your bleeds by 100%??
he doenst know deathmark is single target?
and makes a guide?
subtle tundra
watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTQIyN6VmTY - What does he m...
also what he means by stacking is to just use 2 garrotes during improved garrote to make the duration as high as possible
he just chose some weird way of explaining it
honest comet
this guy says that you dont want to send your burst before you send every bleed ...
Only on the target with DM.
kindred breach
hello fellow sin players. can someone give me a bit feedback about what i can im...
one thing on the opening for imperator : i would not vanish on the 1st set of adds, there getting melted before your improve garrote as the chance to do significant damage
subtle tundra
Only on the target with DM.
yes thats what i was saying
the video implies deathmark is aoe
kindred breach
i would vanish on the boss so you can get full pandemic improved garrote on both of your cd on the boss
try to hold vanish if adds are living for more than 10-15sec, i believe otherwise its a loss
analog field
Just don't use vanish at the start so you have it for your second DM on time.
kindred breach
what you mean? if you send vanish at the start you'll get it for second DM anyway?
another thing : try pooling a bit before KB. You want to have max evenom buff uptime for the full duration ; looking at it it dropped during the KB effect
like here it dropped
dropped by 1s though so not that deep i guess
honest comet
the video implies deathmark is aoe
I think it stems from some sort of misconception that the 100% damage amped bleeds somehow spreads.
I know I thought so at one point before I read up š
analog field
what you mean? if you send vanish at the start you'll get it for second DM anywa...
There is no point in sending it at the start. you gain what? like 3 sec of imp gar?
kindred breach
Yeah i agree, more like 4-5sec if you wait a tiny bit more, but still better than none lol
analog field
Yeah but if you happen to want to vanish for adds let's say or a mechanic etc you don't have it for a negligible dmg gain
kindred breach
Yeah 100% true, but like on his imperator fight since its less than 4min fight he doesnt get it back for second set of CDs
So i guess its still a loss overall? hard one tbh
analog field
Yeah didn't check the duration
You probably should send it at 30 sec
and then again at 2:30 or even delay DM to send at 3min with vanish or something
But this is if you know the fight duration
kindred breach
and then again at 2:30 or even delay DM to send at 3min with vanish or something
Yeah some dudes are doing this on top 100
guess both works on this specific one
wait shit thats mythic
In hero more of them send it at beggining
balmy condor
watched this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTQIyN6VmTY - What does he m...
okay respectfully, I haven't gotten to that part yet
analog field
also playing to parse is a different game
balmy condor
kindred breach
warped moon
what is pandemic
balmy condor
should never be trusted about anything
balmy condor
what is pandemic
!pd
prisma monolithBOT
Pandemic takes up to 30% of the duration of a applied dot/buff and adds it to your new applied one. The duration depends on the new instance.
Example: Garrote (18 sec) can be extended by up to 5.4 seconds from an existing instance.
Note: Pandemic applies to most but not all debuffs/buffs
zinc frost
Holy giant coins wtf
warped moon
oh imp garrote?
balmy condor
I mean I can almost understand that for enrage
"assassination has really good sustained damage, maybe better than outlaw rogue"
okay this guy is fucking delusional
I can't keep watching
subtle tundra
me when i LIE
warped moon
pls delete this
vernal adder
Da hell is that
subtle tundra
babe continue watching
subtle tundra
its good misinformation for the masses
balmy condor
@lyric sierra do not watch that lunatic
subtle tundra
@strange onyx 's favorite video
balmy condor
we use it every time we need to refresh bleeds
warped moon
oh so refresh at like 8 sec or something?
kindred breach
Like you dont want to wait for your bleed to drop to refresh
warped moon
okay
balmy condor
pandemic exists to balance dots rotationally
kindred breach
there are good better cdm profiles that light up your bleed icons when they need to be refreshed
balmy condor
cause like without it, you would technically have to refresh bleeds at exactly 0.1 seconds
but now you can refresh anywhere from 0.1 to like 7ish
and not lose or gain any dps
gives a good buffer
warped moon
neat
lyric sierra
stupid questiion: does appƶying a normal nonstealrh garotte, in pandemic window, on a mob having imp garotte on it, increase runtime of imp garotte?
or does it aplly normal garotte and increase that?
balmy condor
the damage is calculated from the new application
so pandemic imp -> normal would increase duration, but the damage would be like a normal garrote
normal -> imp would increase duration and the damage would be that of an improved garrote
humble verge
new cool tmog in the trading post
frank trench
Is there any way to make the apex talent not bug out when being displayed?
The one I added to hud seems to bug out often and wonāt reappear until a new combat starts
Have to keep trying to find it at top of screen
blazing tulip
he is tracking shiv
slice and dice
rare stone
nah but theres a proper cowboy hat and a horse with a cowboy hat
#1 trading post in months
royal lantern
Hmmmm
like, just a slightly different color lol
(dont make me go into human form again, that shit is disgusting)
iron carbon
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1278765466730627235/1499127100039364701/1...
Oh well, yes
it's pvp set
Close enough
iron carbon
Yes, but I was wondering why I was not finding the color in Raid set ahaha
Bcs it's the PvP set š¤”
royal lantern
when blizzard says they dont cap anymore
polar sail
Tww doesnt cap
weary stump
when blizzard says they dont cap anymore
No cap frfr
coral ibex
slim pebble
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1493628444733472941/pi...
I was under attack last night
stuck lodge
It's like using training weights
I gotta parse 80s to beat a green parsing frost mage
slim pebble
its some fucking BM Hunter
DAWG
weary stump
its some fucking BM Hunter
The pokemon players always talk the maddest shit
Insert crab shooting laser saying silence ranged dps
rugged basalt
gm
storm forum
gm
coral ibex
yea i need real ones on the penis
spice spire
So true bestie
strange onyx
<@98876232447303680> 's favorite video
Hello!
strange wolf
i am looking at wow analyzer. and i am seeing that i can snapshot my improved garotte. how do i do that?
sacred oyster
that would be outdated information, snapshotting was a bug that got fixed
it wasnt really a good thing either, made opening annoying
strange wolf
so in keys i am seing that allot of players want to keep chain pulling. why is that then since we cant snapshot
sacred oyster
you need to get off the snapshot word lol. yes it hurts us for improved garrote, you can vanish though
modern rover
Hey guys, I have a question about Assassination Rogue BiS crafted embellishment slots.
Most guides like Wowhead and Icy Veins recommend crafting bracers with Arcaneweave Lining, but I noticed that some BiS lists recommend the cloak from Magistersā Terrace as the BiS cloak.
From an acquisition-difficulty perspective, wouldnāt it make more sense to craft the embellished cloak instead, since getting a specific Mythic+ cloak can be pretty hard?
The Crit/Haste bracers from Vorasius, the second boss in Spire, seem easier to target-farm, so I was thinking it might be better to craft the cloak and farm those bracers instead.
Is there a reason guides specifically recommend crafting bracers and getting the cloak from Mythic+?
Would appreciate any thoughts!
storm forum
wrists and cloak have the same stat budget so I think of them interchangeably
my rogue has a cloak just cause my priest can craft it
spice surge
Also theres practically no difference between cloaks and wrists to begin with
As in between separate ones
If you want to go cloak instead because you already have bracers, go ahead, it doesnt matter
modern rover
Now Iām wondering why guides like Wowhead or Icy Veins specifically list wrists as the crafted embellished piece. Is there any particular reason for that?
So basically, I donāt need to force the embellished craft on wrists just because guides like Wowhead or Icy Veins list it that way, right?
severe meadow
Also a reminder, you don't have to follow guides so closely
spice surge
You dont, but again, it doesnt mattr
Theres dozens (literally dozens) of combinations of items that sim the exact same as the bis lists
severe meadow
You can also just sim and make decisions on your own
storm forum
when whispyr was doing the sims it probably simmed slightly higher (like within margin of error higher) and he just rolled with it
sacred oyster
its ultimately just cause its a small stat budget item thats common.
storm forum
or maybe he's pushing the leatherworking agenda
sacred oyster
i think your argument is valid though, whisp def favors raid farmed gear for BIS, so the logic of bracers being raid farmable but cape isnt is valid
spice surge
Its not like vanilla classic where some items have +30% more stats than anything else from the same tier of content. All items have normalized amount of stats so anything at a specific ilvl is gonna be pretty similar to all the other options at the same ilvl
sacred oyster
honestly it should list both BIS for raid and BIS for m+ as many dont myth raid, so does kinda suck the "BIS" list excludes recommendations for large portion of players.
radiant otter
it's because guides have to choose a single set of things rather than being like "you can do this, this, this, or this, or this, or sometimes this" since that ends up not really being a guide
you're right though with the way bonus rolls work you can get top tier belt and wrists from pit so cloak is a good craft and other reasons for crafting wrists, like crafting early for embellish + socket or whatever, no longer exist the same way
spice surge
honestly it should list both BIS for raid and BIS for m+ as many dont myth raid,...
They literally do, but thats even more redundant and unimportant info
modern rover
I guess I was trying too hard to follow the guides exactly.
Thank you so much for all the help, everyone! Thanks to you guys, my concern has been cleared up.
Hope you all have a great time in WoW!
random gazelle
I crafted boots because pit rerolls will get me most of everything else and I think there aren't great boots from dungeons?
spice surge
There are
sacred oyster
They literally do, but thats even more redundant and unimportant info
it does not list a separate item for M+ only, like kricks is the best dagger for us and its not listed anywhere. nothing lists the fact that pit has BIS Belt (even better than the raid belt), or that the neck is BIS if you are not mythic raiding.
spice surge
But again, it doesnt matter
sacred oyster
I crafted boots because pit rerolls will get me most of everything else and I th...
set boots are great
spice surge
it does not list a separate item for M+ only, like kricks is the best dagger for...
It does
spice surge
How do i sim wich crafted is best for me
Add it in topgear and press the "+" on it to change stats and/or add embellishments
random gazelle
Are crafted still better than going max ilvl later on? If some nerd says sim it I will destroy them
radiant aspen
sacred oyster
Are crafted still better than going max ilvl later on? If some nerd says sim it ...
the answer is both. you can craft gear if you have crest to spare until you get something to replace it, then the crests are also not lost, as it gives you the 5 upgrades and only pay for the last one.
you should sim it however if crafting a piece vs upgrading a piece is the best use of crest, so yes sim it
as you are myth crest restrained
random gazelle
I'm just wondering if embellishments are competitive vs max ilvl once we're getting to the point of full myth
As a ballpark
sacred oyster
hunt embellish is better than a dropped offhand yes
i have simmed that to verify
by a pretty big margin too
random gazelle
Interesting. So crafted oh is > anything else?
sacred oyster
yes
random gazelle
Neat
spice surge
Well you want your highest ilvl dagger in your mainhand
sacred oyster
so thats why its best to craft early, use it as main hand until you get a fully upgraded 6/6 myth to replace it as mainhand
dont waste any crest on your temp offhand
random gazelle
I have myth pit mh and crafted oh already
sacred oyster
then you are BIS
bold dragon
hey guys can anyone help me i dont know why i have that less hits with caustic spatter... it was a windrunner 16. when i look at top logs they have nearly twice as much hits
sacred oyster
the raid dagger is not better than kricks ever, its just listed as BIS as its technically easier to farm for anyone who myth raids.
spice surge
It also doesnt matter
sacred oyster
It also doesnt matter
its 0.3%~ actually
spice surge
Maybe for you yes, but there are setups where it isnt
sacred oyster
I literally did the sim myself
royal lantern
itss straight up misssinformation
random gazelle
hey guys can anyone help me i dont know why i have that less hits with caustic s...
Your tank do baby pulls or something?
bold dragon
Your tank do baby pulls or something?
not rly. i have this problem in every dungeon
sacred oyster
itss straight up misssinformation
my mistake, its actually bigger, 0.4% https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/byKASo6x23JUAFH4e8EX1i
radiant otter
the top log on a windrunner 16 has 15,686 caustic spatter hits which makes me think you're comparing it to higher keys, where everything has much higher health and so gets hit more
spice surge
hey guys can anyone help me i dont know why i have that less hits with caustic s...
Hard to gauge much from just a picture like this, but unbind your poisoned knife button and never press it again
quiet star
what default stealth speed without bonuses?
fickle coral
or maybe he's pushing the leatherworking agenda
gotta watch out for those leatherworking scum.
coral ibex
17 poison knife casts wtf am i looking at
solar wyvern
17 poison knife casts wtf am i looking at
Its called aura
royal lantern
my mistake, its actually bigger, 0.4% https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/byK...
im at thiss point not sure if you are trolling or just dont get it on purpose
bold dragon
the top log on a windrunner 16 has 15,686 caustic spatter hits which makes me th...
hmm okey
solar wyvern
Hard to gauge much from just a picture like this, but unbind your poisoned knife...
Thoughts on this banger? Gaze has competition??
sacred oyster
im at thiss point not sure if you are trolling or just dont get it on purpose
nah i feel like you are trolling me trying to act like im wrong
spice surge
Thoughts on this banger? Gaze has competition??
Presumably theyll tune it to be competitve ye, but i have no idea bout the uptime of that
royal lodge
I was wondering, in 2 weeks when we will be able tu upgrade 298 weapon and trinket, what would be the bigger upgrade first? Puzzle box or dagger?
spice surge
I was wondering, in 2 weeks when we will be able tu upgrade 298 weapon and trink...
Always mainhand first
royal lantern
probs dagger?
night cipher
dagger
spice surge
By a large margin
solar wyvern
nah i feel like you are trolling me trying to act like im wrong
Mh secondary stats actually dont matter since u could have insane crit everywhere else where a verse mast dagger is better btw
Xd
royal lantern
how can i check/when i get diminishing return on my stats
sims calculate those in
it jusst doesn matter
sacred oyster
Mh secondary stats actually dont matter since u could have insane crit everywher...
this is literally a 289 BIS sim, there is no higher than this. (well beyond 298 weps)
royal lantern
if it does, the sim will tell you
radiant aspen
sims calculate those in
for some wired reason i need exect number if there is
analog field
this is literally a 289 BIS sim, there is no higher than this. (well beyond 298 ...
yes but it is with all these items, so in another setup another dagger could be better
night cipher
19.88% haste. Source ? Trust me bro
bold dragon
Hard to gauge much from just a picture like this, but unbind your poisoned knife...
the best one i see have 21k hits and 4 mins less time usage for the run :/
royal lantern
yes but it is with all these items, so in another setup another dagger could be ...
they seem to legit not undestand the concept of "yeha and if somebody has 2-3 different items it will look different"
sacred oyster
yes but it is with all these items, so in another setup another dagger could be ...
wtf scenario would less crit/haste make it so more crit haste would be worse for you lol? prove it. math doesnt work that way.
royal lantern
insanely BiS list brained like its WotLK still
royal lodge
for some wired reason i need exect number if there is
Addon TrueStatValue
analog field
wtf scenario would less crit/haste make it so more crit haste would be worse for...
it is exactly how it works
sacred oyster
they seem to legit not undestand the concept of "yeha and if somebody has 2-3 di...
you do not seem to understand that this sim is literally with the BIS for every single slot that gives us crit. the point is that crit is weighted so high for us, even in DR its still effective.
west crown
wtf scenario would less crit/haste make it so more crit haste would be worse for...
Little thing we call ādiminishing returnsā
royal lantern
wtf scenario would less crit/haste make it so more crit haste would be worse for...
literally everyone tells you for WEEKS now that it workss that way, including the mods that make the sims you use
and you keep telling us we are wrong
radiant otter
bis sim with no sockets, aoe spec on patchwerk, rank 1 pot and flask, no dh or monk
royal lantern
like, what the hell man
radiant aspen
Addon TrueStatValue
ty
west crown
@sacred oyster you let the sim run for multiple hours to determine the exact setup of bis for secondary stats with that weapon?
sacred oyster
<@116069450662412295> you let the sim run for multiple hours to determine the ex...
what are you talking about, sims dont take multiple hours lol
we use raidbots, not our local pc
west crown
what are you talking about, sims dont take multiple hours lol
It does if youāre looking for actual bis. Many millions of computations takes a bit. Youāre one set up doesnāt prove anything other than one instance of your character
Not to mention the guys you are arguing with live on rogue. So trust their judgement
sacred oyster
It does if youāre looking for actual bis. Many millions of computations takes a ...
I have ran the large sims, still doesnt take hours. and raidbots is smart and does 3 stage sims to cut out clear losers fast.
I am a senior engineer who does this kind of stuff for a living for 20 years, im very well aware how all this works
spice surge
Heres some other scenarios comparing them, and as you can see, it does not particularly matter
sacred oyster
Heres some other scenarios comparing them, and as you can see, it does not parti...
link to sim?
def calling BS on 14% difference lol
west crown
I am a senior engineer who does this kind of stuff for a living for 20 years, im...
Being aware of how it works and arguing with the guy who literally works on the APL for the sim you are running is nonsense.
spice surge
def calling BS on 14% difference lol
radiant otter
Raidbots is smart. Unfortunately,
severe meadow
<:ICANT:1133373819537592321>
unaware
radiant otter
here was my droptimizer sim showing 2 dps difference between crit/haste, haste/vers, haste/mastery weapons
sacred oyster
Being aware of how it works and arguing with the guy who literally works on the ...
not argueing on the apl, just that kricks is better than HV. its not that deep.
severe meadow
why are people so fixated on bis
something something .4% gain
waxen oyster
would gain more swapping off belf
royal lantern
here was my droptimizer sim showing 2 dps difference between crit/haste, haste/v...
insane ~10flat dmg differences
severe meadow
You have the absolute best secondary stats or you explode or something
frosty cedar
would gain more swapping off belf
real gamers play mechagnome
west crown
not argueing on the apl, just that kricks is better than HV. its not that deep.
You are basically arguing WITH the sim is my point. Thatās who Eleem is
weary stump
real gamers play mechagnome
Real gamers play toy morphed into murloc
frosty cedar
guys are we talking about stats again that dont matter what did I miss
radiant otter
the best one i see have 21k hits and 4 mins less time usage for the run :/
i just looked at that one too and my guess would be they play with an aug evoker, who is buffing their damage, possibly allowing rogue to splash more caustic. I doubt it's something you should be concerned about in terms of your damage. M+ logs are scuffed because it's overall for the dungeon and massively depends on routes, pulls, and group composition
sacred oyster
would gain more swapping off belf
actually was considering the benefit of panda, another 50/65 agility from pandas food perk would be nice
weary stump
guys are we talking about stats again that dont matter what did I miss
Yeah same guy trying to debate it every day
sacred oyster
but i dunno if i can be a damn furry
royal lantern
boomer race
people that say rogue undead is THE shit is always some 46 yea old guy that thinks WorldPvP is THE big thing in WoW
weary stump
It's impressive, honestly 
frosty cedar
but i dunno if i can be a damn furry
thats why mechagnome is the best, its basically the same as panda
sacred oyster
thats why mechagnome is the best, its basically the same as panda
I am never rolling alliance
waxen oyster
its 2026
frosty cedar
stay living in an orgrimmar hut i guess
random pelican
Dragon wings is mega QOL
radiant otter
belf gets 1% crit and it fixes the energy problem. perfect race
weary stump
bro likes mud huts
We invoke the energy of that primitive tech YouTuber from Australia
waxen oyster
belves arent horde
its like nepo babies claiming to be part of struggle culture
cosplayers
frosty cedar
why would you want more energy
at the moment im doing well alt tabbing to swap song on spotify during apex
weary stump
So my pee meter known as stamina is more full
frosty cedar
also gotten pretty good at typing shit to guildies in /say mid fight
frosty cedar
the guy from the shadowlands boss ?
weary stump
Bis is having erp discussions in map chat mid raid fight
sacred oyster
wth is a map chat
spice spire
garrosh did nothing wrong
weary stump
Ask everyone doing belonar what their favorite fried chicken is
weary stump
wth is a map chat
/1, general region chat I always forget the actual name
sacred oyster
oh that
sacred oyster
i think general chat is the actual name for it
waxen oyster
someone let grandpa onto a pc
sacred oyster
someone let grandpa onto a pc
same on mine but its usually younger sounding people lol
anyone "taking sides" in politics is either too young or too old
royal lantern
belf gets 1% crit and it fixes the energy problem. perfect race
reminder that 1% crit is the most common racial effect in the game
atleast 3 have it
waxen oyster
boomer (40+)
royal lantern
my trade chat is boomers talking politics
NA?
cus idk, EU trade chat iss just Profession Spam
royal lantern
dont even see that
weary stump
I'm on NA and feel like I only see profession spam nowadays in trade chat
weary stump
Always fun when raid chat starts spamming the Chinese text memes
royal lantern
eu racism is complaining about romani
dont wanna be THAT guy, but this iss such a NA thing to say, cus like, nobody ever mentions romani at all
like yeha, romani racism is a problem ofc
but do you guyss think that people talk about it all the time?
sacred oyster
man im in the south of the US and dont know wtf romani racism is
waxen oyster
some do
sacred oyster
so thats def not an NA thing lol
weary stump
Most people here don't even know what Romani is
royal lantern
^
royal lantern
like, i legi never saw people talk about romani outside of actual political sstuff about them
and not in videogame chatss at all
in videogames people shit on french people
including other french people
weary stump
In assassin's creed 2 or something
royal lantern
thats a given
cant forget the 3 nordic countrys hating eachother
waxen oyster
yet brits catch all the flak for shitty food
royal lantern
the endless dane/sweeden/norway beef
sacred oyster
oh i looked it up, ok i know the 'other' word but didnt know it was actually a big thing in EU lol. i can assure you no one talks about that in the US
waxen oyster
the endless dane/sweeden/norway beef
pretty sure the balkan countries dislike each other too
hearing serbs hate on their neighbors
royal lantern
oh
yeha
put 2 people from the balkans into a room that live 300 meterss away from eachother
1 will die
waxen oyster
actually i feel neighboring countries
have the most beef with one anotuer
Nord beef likely lost on people here since the biggest cultural export is ikea and pewdiepie
from just sweden
royal lantern
Nord beef likely lost on people here since the biggest cultural export is ikea a...
the best thing is when they sstart to insult eachother in their langugage
and you sit there knowing german and can KINDA understand it
waxen oyster
are they that similar
weary stump
put 2 people from the balkans into a room that live 300 meterss away from eachot...
If mad max taught society anything, the thunder dome can solve all disputes. Two people enter 1 leaves
royal lantern
they are called germanic languages for a reason
royal lantern
are they that similar
english is the odd language tbh
cus its mostly a hotpot of many different language rules/wordss thrown togheter
weary stump
Yeah but we have the dogs bollocks grammatical structure, all other languages are worse since they don't have that
waxen oyster
english is the odd language tbh
well more that it has more similarity to spanish italian
hazy sundial
I used to live in EU for the first 26 years of my
Life until i moved to NA and i gotta say i miss EU chats
I miss the balkan shittalk most of all
vernal adder
why move to na?
hazy sundial
Pursuit of better life
sweet sphinx
what talents yall using for L'ura Heroic?
random pelican
St
sweet sphinx
yeah, i went raid cleave and i dont feel like i did much of a difference so St feels more appropriate
gray raven
By the time I had any bleeds spread to the adds they were dead, it was pointless
sweet sphinx
yeah
vast shuttle
lime edge
Warrior shaman monk
And then like feral druid
I get 15.5% more dslice dmg just from the buffs on that comp
hazy sundial
Ive seen some top m+ streamers have an addon that plays an audio sound ākickā when something needs to be kicked. Anyone know what addon that is?
royal lantern
yeah, i went raid cleave and i dont feel like i did much of a difference so St f...
most fights are just "full ST and maybe drop improved poissons for spatter" tbh
soon rank 1 I believe
shell crater
But grats <:kekdog:907207037757296710> soon rank 1 I believe
š thanks
Tbh I was getting ready to swap off the spec cos the energy shit was pissing me off
weary stump
But now you're feeling energized
shell crater
Then I changed from a crit flask to a haste one and it felt much better š
frosty cedar
Rank 44 chimeraus mythic Iām so happy lol
lets go dude 
balmy path
guys on raidbots for sim i just put dungeon slice is good?
sacred oyster
for m+ yep, for raiding do patchwerk 1 target 5 mins
make sure to select raid buffs for raid sim, but unselect them for dungeon slice
unless you are in like a static m+ group with a certain buffer type you can reliably count on
though prob better off still not checking it there as unlikely to make a difference
river thorn
how do you sim for higher keys? wanna know when sin takes over the other specs
solar wyvern
how do you sim for higher keys? wanna know when sin takes over the other specs
Idt sin takes over current outlaw ever
Outlaw do be crankin
And tankier
Gg
sacred oyster
be a sin loyalist and ignore the others
river thorn
ive seen a ton of people saying sin takes over but not until like 17+
weary stump
Tricky lil outlaws
still snow
Can someone advise good streamers and guides
lucid walrus
hi sin folks. when simming m+ it shows crit flask as best, but does anyone know if its better to go w/ haste flask to help w/ energy? im at 18% energy which is fine-ish
coral ibex
haste flask will not make energy regen noticeably better
energy regen is low on the spec by design
if the sim shows crit flask is best then crit flask is best
stacking haste to improve energy is bad
lucid walrus
thats what i figured but wanted to confirm. thx
ive gotten used to the energy and dropping apex stacks and this spec is so fun its crazy
indigo mulch
I do feel like we need a bit of a bump in term of damage though. I feel like sin is falling behind outlaw and sub quite hard atm :C Maybe its just me whos bad.
š
sullen hearth
Hard swapped to Sin from Sub, feels good, but time will tell if worth
stray fox
Iām only doing 16/17s but sin feels a lot better
runic hinge
"only doing content that like 2% of the playerbase ever touch"
Touch me
solar wyvern
tankier due to trickster?
Ye 15% smoke DR for 60% of the key is very good, + a decent extra versa
digital folio
I never got lucky with gaze, i managed to grab the umbral plume today, do i need to track the buff to play around it or i just ignore it ?
royal lantern
i mean what can you play around with it
plume is just a timed buff that gets weaker and then circles back
brisk jolt
Assa or outlaw M+?
violet hemlock
Ye 15% smoke DR for 60% of the key is very good, + a decent extra versa
most outlaws arent running much verse this season tho.
sacred oyster
Assa or outlaw M+?
w/e you want to play. do you have weps for outlaw?
spice spire
Hate that
thorn thorn
https://tenor.com/view/diem-archive-diem-angry-smoke-throw-gif-14966112203236833...
I have more
spice spire
I bet you do, you sick fuck
thorn thorn
spice spire
Iām in hell
thorn thorn
ornate aspen
Where's your source for these works of art? They'd be perfect for trolling my guldies
spice spire
Dog are you good
thorn thorn
Dog are you good
Im perfectly fine why do you ask
spice spire
Just worried about you king
static glacier
I know weāve always had degen shit but not the furry stuff š
royal lantern
Just worried about you king
thorn thorn
I know weāve always had degen shit but not the furry stuff š<:dead:932888396316...
Do I need to post more
buoyant herald
Someone assassinate me
upper spear
Assa isnt meta for a season and this is what happens
spark warren
Mhh... jokes aside-- meta or not...
Is there a tool or something, that can parse through logs and indicate what was done wrong?
My damage is utter dogshit, but... I don't think it's a class issue
Gotta be something I do wrong, but no damn clue what
thorn thorn
Someone assassinate me
spark warren
And simming only goes so far xP
thorn thorn
Post log
frosty cedar
sure
thorn thorn
ya
spice spire
@thorn thorn log review this user
spice spire
Penance for subjecting me to ts
thorn thorn
Not for this spec
spice spire
I told you I cant
Believe in me who believes in u
spark warren
Oh. Thanks ^^'
I'll do that after raid's over and the log's there ^^' 'ppreciate it. I didn't wanna bother anyone, why I wondered if ther's a tool or whatever else.
(rofl x) )
thorn thorn
I look at aug logs all day do I look like I understand how to play assa
buoyant herald
There is, doesnāt it link direct from logs as well?
thorn thorn
Oh. Thanks ^^'
I'll do that after raid's over and the log's there ^^' 'ppreciate...
If its a live log you can post the link
spice spire
I look at aug logs all day do I look like I understand how to play assa
Nah but if I had to endure this forever you do too
frosty cedar
wowanalyzer exists but idk if its actually useful for assa to be honest
ive never used it
buoyant herald
Itās good, but needs to be maintained
frosty cedar
but if you post your log here, if you really are doing something glaringly wrong, we will be able to spot it
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9q...
Iām going to eat ur asshole raw lil gup
frosty cedar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9q...
perish
runic hinge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9q...
me and @safe frigate
spice spire
me and <@205982851139764225>
Yeah I bet you are a sub you sick fuck
spark warren
'cause this on Averzian Mythic in 279 ilvl seems-- not great
thorn thorn
Uhh no idea if it's a live log š„²
You could post the partial log and we can look at the fights current
spark warren
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461330242456256512/1497366676692402327/9q...
O.O what is going on here xD
spice spire
Breakdown means nothing
runic hinge
Yeah I bet you are a sub you sick fuck
oh im much worse than that
thorn thorn
A live log just updates as encounters are progressed
thorn thorn
O.O what is going on here xD
Nothing you must concern yourself with as a person seeking assistance
spark warren
Got it! I'll try and grab that (we're gonna pull Chim now š„² )
Noted... not asking! xD
spice spire
Good luck homie
spice spire
Nothing you must concern yourself with as a person seeking assistance
Okay then why must I be concerned hmmm????
spice spire
What the hell
safe frigate
me and <@205982851139764225>
spice spire
Iāll split you open like a coconut rox I s2g
thorn thorn
owo
thorn thorn
<:dayshy:981925012040728637>
thorn thorn
post it
frosty cedar
when you get sent down
onyx veldt
yeah i tried spreading bleeds when going down and then going back to boss
frosty cedar
thats probably not the play
spice spire
Just slam adds then slam boss
frosty cedar
if you want to do max damage, you will want to be hitting the big add once you go down as much as possible
spice spire
^
frosty cedar
once they are broken out of the phase, you can go back to the boss
you can completely ignore them after that and just hit boss
onyx veldt
i see
frosty cedar
if your going down first, omit your first envenom cast before using cooldowns and just go as soon as possible
onyx veldt
okay fair enough
frosty cedar
hold your vanish and use it shortly before going down so that you can improved garrote the boss AND warlock portal over and improved garrote the big add twice, then spread that to all the littel adds
I believe this to be the highest dmg potential opener on chimaerus for going down first
safe frigate
<:Uppirs:1471802859426152549>
frosty cedar
second issue for you
you held your deathmark for intermission
you should use it again on the boss before you go
safe frigate
Iāll split you open like a coconut rox I s2g
In Minecraft right?
frosty cedar
you have time to so make sure you do
spice spire
In Minecraft right?
No irl
frosty cedar
for the fight sequencing
you definitely want to use it before you go intermission
so you can use it again when you come back, or hold it for 5 minutes with potion depending on your kill time
onyx veldt
oh yeah also when should i use my potion in this fight
spice spire
No you queen. I hope you have an amazing night 
onyx veldt
opener and after intermission?
lusty notch
Hey guys, Iāve noticed that streamers still have WA packs. Does anyone know how they get them? How can I access those using the Blizzard API?
frosty cedar
opener yes, and then its kill time dependant. you ideally would want to use it a 5 minutes with a held third deathmark if your fight timer is less than around 6min, or at 6 minutes with your fourth deathmark if your fight timer is over 6
hazy sundial
Does anyone use TellMeWhen for audio announcements for mechanics? Or is there a different standard addon for that?
onyx veldt
opener yes, and then its kill time dependant. you ideally would want to use it a...
alright tsym for your time bro
frosty cedar
no problem bro anytime
spark warren
Oh there it is! ^^' https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/41qcg6kACzHFPrMd
I'm 9th-11th generally, easy to find with the bottoms.
I wondered if going pure ST wasn't better since... most adds die after like 3 ticks of my bleeds, so it feels useless to spread them lol
spark warren
Does anyone use TellMeWhen for audio announcements for mechanics? Or is there a ...
(if that's a thing I'm interested... my vision's not great so I relied a lot on audio alerts, but Blizzard's audio alerts are pretty much dogshit š„² )
frosty cedar
Oh there it is! ^^' https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/41qcg6kACzHFPrMd
I'm 9t...
on vorasius, you definitely jsut want to be playing full singletarget
spark warren
Yeah. I did ok-ish on Vorasius. Averzian tho, it was disastrous lol
frosty cedar
Yeah. I did ok-ish on Vorasius. Averzian tho, it was disastrous lol
firstly you should be opening with garrote, not mutilate, so do that, and try to recast before improved garrote window ends
secondly it looks like you overwrote your empowered garrote with a regular one at 21 seconds in
thirdly I suspect you blew your second set of cooldowns on the boss and then ditched him and switched to the adds? lmk what happened here
spark warren
firstly you should be opening with garrote, not mutilate, so do that, and try to...
Correct! I thought I had enough time left to blow CDs on the boss, then-- turns out, nope. And since we'd had trouble with the add not dying fast enough... I shadowstepped away to the add š„²
And oh-- true for garrote! Not even sure how I didn't realize it, thanks ^^
spice spire
Also what happened on your last kb?
Youāre missing one (granted you wouldnāt get full value) because you sent it 30s late
frosty cedar
Correct! I thought I had enough time left to blow CDs on the boss, then-- turns ...
your two choices at the second set mark is either to shadowstep to the add early, when hes still in the barrier, set up your dots and omit an envenom to DM him early and pad as hard as possible, or hold your CDS until the adds are dealt with and use it on the boss fully
spark warren
Youāre missing one (granted you wouldnāt get full value) because you sent it 30s...
Think I was on adds at that point
spark warren
your two choices at the second set mark is either to shadowstep to the add early...
Roger! Thanks ^^
analog field
alright tsym for your time bro
you can check these in lorrgs and viserio
fallow canopy
were you targeted or did you go to help? If the team needs help on the damage you can "eat" the damage loss and do it tho I wouldn't recommend it, ranged can easily do the adds
analog hedge
in a high algethar key, say 16, on the first huge room wide pull, do you just do ct env ct env or ct ct ct like 6 7 times then env?
fallow canopy
if targeted then nothing to do
spark warren
were you targeted or did you go to help? If the team needs help on the damage yo...
Went to help
frosty cedar
in a high algethar key, say 16, on the first huge room wide pull, do you just do...
ct env
fallow canopy
delaying that kb so much and then sending at 2 min a naked dm prob didn't help much
frosty cedar
naked DM is terrible
spark warren
(On keys... even with the set you'd go CT instead of FoK?)
frosty cedar
I didnt even catch that lol
fallow canopy
I didnt even catch that lol
yep that prob was a big deal overall
thorn thorn
!logs
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spark warren
I just realized also I never vanish to apply imp garrote... why don't I do that...
spice spire
(On keys... even with the set you'd go CT instead of FoK?)
Spreading bleeds is good especially with some weird stuff going on with internal
spark warren
Yeah, generally I spread bleeds on all targets then only use FoK. I don't know if it's the good way or if I should keep with CT & ignore FoK oo
storm forum
ur doing it right
spark warren
!logs
This spec has not been updated for patch 12.0.5
Sorry, this spec hasn't been updated for the latest patch so we're afraid it might be outdated and potentially mislead.
Bahaha
storm forum
CT is a lot of energy so just doing it until all bleeds are up is correct
spark warren
Alright thanks ^^
balmy path
Does anyone have a macro that, when I burst down an attack, I can mark the target for the group?
storm forum
you can add "/tm 7" (or whatever symbol you want, 7 is red X) to your KB or DM macro
I don't do this cause usually tanks like to mark things for kicks or focus whatever
frosty cedar
also my premades kill my target fast so I cant gap them as hard on details
balmy path
I don't do this cause usually tanks like to mark things for kicks or focus whate...
The thing is, I duo with my tank, and in big pulls, with the assassin's burst, sometimes I steal his aggro from the target so he knows who I burst down and focuses on the same target. I know there's the md, but I like to use it while he's setting up the pack to put the dots on the adds.
storm forum
nice, yeah just coordinate what mark ur using with ur duo and pray ur other dps dont grief you by focusing ur target lol
analog field
The thing is, I duo with my tank, and in big pulls, with the assassin's burst, s...
there is no way you rip agro as assa
like literally 0%
the tank has to sit afk for you to do that
spark warren
there is no way you rip agro as assa
Happens to me pretty regularly when our feral is tanking ^^'
analog field
even then just tricks again before sending cds
spark warren
tricks instead of blackjack? oo
balmy path
Not the whole pack, but the main target. I mean, if the tank isn't on your target, you'll likely aggro it.
analog field
no all tanks keep agro via aoe
thorn thorn
Just tricks when you do the opener
royal lantern
the tank has to sit afk for you to do that
meet the guardian druid without cds!
balmy path
Just tricks when you do the opener
That's what I said, I like to use it when he's making the pack to put dots on the adds.
fallow canopy
Optionally tricks the healer
I tricks the Aug or the boomkin
balmy path
Sometimes it doesn't come back.
thorn thorn
I tricks the Aug or the boomkin <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Always the boomkin
The Aug will never rip threat
analog field
your dmg is not going anywhere
thorn thorn
Even with tricks
onyx veldt
you can add "/tm 7" (or whatever symbol you want, 7 is red X) to your KB or DM m...
wait you can macro mark + DM?
fallow canopy
Even with tricks
thorn thorn
If the aug rips threat your other 2 dps are already dead from aggro
hazy sundial
(if that's a thing I'm interested... my vision's not great so I relied a lot on ...
Which one? Tellmewhen?
open mantle
anyone got any tips for single target i struggle alot
frosty cedar
That's what I said, I like to use it when he's making the pack to put dots on th...
you can put dots on the adds without pressing deathmark unless I misunderstood you here
fallow canopy
you can put dots on the adds without pressing deathmark unless I misunderstood y...
I think he meant he uses tricks while the tank is gathering and he dots them up instead of tricking later when he uses cds
frosty cedar
ah right
late aspen
do we play around fatebound at all?
runic hinge
no
frosty cedar
no and thank god for that
thorn thorn
@spice spire Aug is making me lobotomized
This spec is so op
And its so easy
My IQ is actively dropping playing it
Send dudes
storm forum
wait you can macro mark + DM?
you can mark a target with a symbol with "/tm X" (where x is a number 1-8) and it's not on the GCD so yeah you can macro it together with your stuff like DM
spice spire
Send dudes
?
onyx veldt
you can mark a target with a symbol with "/tm X" (where x is a number 1-8) and i...
nice nice :3
spice spire
Im in a war
Buddy I got a war for u
frosty cedar
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/45...
you are this wars strongest soldier
wary light
I remember in prepatch something about pressing CT even over envenom until all targets have bleeds - is that still the case in keys?
frosty cedar
nope it was only a thing for like 2 days because of sim bug
you should still press CT till targets have bleeds, but envenom at 5cp +
and just use CT as a builder
spark warren
do we play around fatebound at all?
Wait... Deathstalker is still used? oo
I'll admit I was glad to get rid of it forever when 12.0 happened and never touch it again
But it's back? š
late aspen
i should apply deadly poison first with dtb right?
spice surge
Doesnt matter
frosty cedar
But it's back? š
no we dont play deathstalker
spark warren
Oh thank god š
frosty cedar
thats right thank god that tree SUCKS
late aspen
do we just let thistle tea do its thing automatically?
spark warren
Yeah š„² I'd rather have no dignity and play hunter than play Deathstalker again š
thorn thorn
You are not alone
thorn thorn
do we just let thistle tea do its thing automatically?
auto tea
dire spoke
I'm at 1600 crit with Umbral Plume, but sims still tell me to get crit wherever. IsnĀ“t that far beyond diminishing returns?
frosty cedar
doesnt matter
fallow canopy
If sims tells you get more then you get more
wispy nymph
for m+ what scenario are we using to compare sub/assa/outlaw -- dungeon slice or patchwerk x5
fallow canopy
Sims are not used to compare different specs, they are more of a tool for gearing. And for m+ you'd do dungeonslice
fallow canopy
we dont compare specs
Jinxed
fallow canopy
Oh no, did you get a dupe?
normal mist
wispy nymph
so the damage output from dslice is so inaccurate that you cant compare between specs? insane
normal mist
fallow canopy
Just 50$ for the bundle 
normal mist
so the damage output from dslice is so inaccurate that you cant compare between ...
What you said is wrong
storm forum
Holy Twitter ragebait
normal mist
Dslice is a simulation where there are big packs, small packs, boss
balmy condor
so the damage output from dslice is so inaccurate that you cant compare between ...
no, it's just inherently flawed to use sims as comparisons from spec to spec
they're not designed that way
normal mist
it cannot represent what your random tank in 10's will do
analog field
No you just don't want to fix itttt
don't lie to people
we want to compare all specs so we all end up playing devourer
fallow canopy
Feels like there's been an uptick of people misinterpreting sims purpose recently
wispy nymph
who cares about tank variance -- in an optimal environment, if your outlaw spec says youll do 200k in dslice and assa says 190k why would those not be good proxies?
balmy condor
because that's not how simulations work
wispy nymph
so the output damage isnt a good proxy, got it.
storm forum
Btw, does dslice have a hero pull in it yet?
balmy condor
they are averages of situations smashed together
normal mist
who cares about tank variance -- in an optimal environment, if your outlaw spec ...
literally every dps spec in the game
analog field
who cares about tank variance -- in an optimal environment, if your outlaw spec ...
Because you have one pack with 8 mobs one with 5 and one boss, but if you had 10 mobs another spec could be better
balmy condor
what ends up being more or less damage is entirely dependant on the real situation you find yourself in
balmy condor
Btw, does dslice have a hero pull in it yet?
the boss is pulled with lust
storm forum
Does the boss have adds pulled onto it? Or is it just like 2 min patchwork?
balmy condor
2 min 1 tar
analog field
you can check the sim and see exactly
storm forum
I tried looking at the dungeonroute thing the mages were cooking with the other day
balmy condor
yeah that is.... problematic
storm forum
And I find it easier just to ask whispyr cause I am dumb
violet cliff
Howās the play style btw sub and sin - from the outside it feels similar with how CDs tend to line up. I learned the sin rotation pre season but ended up playing sub this whole season - Iāve done all 15s and now going into 16s and wondering if thereās a clear benefit to sin at higher keys since I see so many high keys running sin
buoyant herald
I think the best example is watching ele sham sim like a god then perform like a blob purely due to exact encounter requirements through voidspire
wispy nymph
Howās the play style btw sub and sin - from the outside it feels similar with ho...
did all the 15s a week or two ago, and sub felt really good with a sham in the group and scales way better than sin with skyfury
frosty cedar
sub is for noobs just play assa
storm forum
yeah that is.... problematic
Is it? I thought the variable targets and time weights were interesting, although I didn't actually test it at all cause idk where to put it into raidbots and I didn't know how implement downtime between packs.
analog field
Sub is probably the weaker of the 3
violet cliff
sin does prio damage
This means all your dmg is mainly on prio target since you donāt have to target swap bc of the changes and how to spread bleeds right?
analog field
at the moment for higher keys
probably assa and sub are close
outlaw is farther ahead
balmy condor
This means all your dmg is mainly on prio target since you donāt have to target ...
I mean it still does plenty of aoe, but you're hitting your prio target and dealing damage to it, sub is just spamming powder
wispy nymph
looking at wox logs outlaw vs assa, outlaw is anywhere up to 20-30k more dps overall with similar gear
lime edge
I dont think outlaw is actually far ahead in high keys at all
fallow canopy
The duality of man
storm forum
Isn't Wox an OL main anyways? I was surprised he was playing sin in the first place
violet cliff
I canāt do outlaw I never enjoyed the roll rng
balmy condor
Isn't Wox an OL main anyways? I was surprised he was playing sin in the first pl...
wox plays dagger spec when he needs to
outlaw one trick that's shackled to daggers
eternally in assa/sub prison
wispy nymph
Isn't Wox an OL main anyways? I was surprised he was playing sin in the first pl...
he plays both and most of his high keys were sin and runs them both with sin and outlaw so you can see. he doesnt even have a myth OL mh. hes doing 210k overall sustained now in phys comp outlaw and same comp less with assa