assassination

[severe meadow]

Like an hour ago I saw armpit

And I still see armpit

[static glacier]

Meanwhile I ended s1 tww with no active trinket entirely on one of my chars 😭💀

Also I’m one of these noobs who takes the bait 24/7

[rugged basalt]

TWWS1 is a blur to me

Faster I forget it the better

[analog hedge]

my unholy

[static glacier]

It was like 60 something GBs

[analog hedge]

got the puzzle box in 1 try

my sin?

down to 50/50

[static glacier]

My hunter never looted skardyns Kew

[analog hedge]

AWARE

[coral ibex]

imagine running grim butthole all season and never getting the drop

yeesh

[pliant remnant]

84 runs of Grim Butthole

and I ended up buying Skardyn's off of an Ele shaman who was Enha loot spec

Good times

[weary stump]

Pov it's dragonflight and Nick of time never drops

[static glacier]

Dont even feel right bitching, rogue got it in 3-4 runs

Same shit this season with box, rogue first run, hunt took 20 or w/e

[rugged basalt]

I was forced to take it

I said no

Could’ve gotten away with it

[humble verge]

not even hc or

[static glacier]

Never as in never, not on any difficulty

[humble verge]

[static glacier]

I remember being stuck with passive + ansurek on use

[humble verge]

i did 40 grim batol runs before i got it

[static glacier]

The dmg one

Honestly they need to fuck off stupid loot tables

[slim pebble]

I ran that dungeon 24 times in one week to finally get it

[rugged basalt]

I checked what I was running for ansurek hc

At least I had something I guess

[subtle tundra]

you can run these

imagine my nuts

[rugged basalt]

imagining

[severe sedge]

Need some helt with assa gearing, why do i sim so bad D slice? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4NSe3e2ndFmmDEwQFU41HV

[slim pebble]

Is 131k not huge?

[zealous moth]

was talking about raid there, in that case yeah, you don't need to vanish on opener since you are already on stealth

and then it syncs with dm every time

[severe sedge]

maybe assa sims ass:P outlaw dslice is 160+

sub 150 isch

[normal mist]

That number is not an indicator of your real dps in a key

And you don't really compare Sims between specs

The sim is a controlled scenario where X things happen

Real dungeons are a clownfiesta

[slim pebble]

Sims don’t account for your brain dead ret paladin teammate not using their utility

[zealous moth]

Or your tank pulling 5 adds at a time

[normal mist]

Or someone in pos not saving the first guy

And you having to backtrack

[zealous moth]

Also i'm pretty sure you are missing like 200 crit

[warm parcel]

It helps to realize who in the pack prevents you from freeing the slaves

I didnt even know you could free in combat

[normal mist]

It's weird

[slim pebble]

…. You can?

[normal mist]

Idk

[warm parcel]

Ye

As long as quarry tormentors are dead

[normal mist]

Yesterday most of them I couldn't

Oh right

[warm parcel]

Its those mobs exactly

[normal mist]

The bitches that tend to die last

[warm parcel]

I was wasting meld thinking its combat

[normal mist]

While the tank is already in Narnia

[warm parcel]

Yup

[slim pebble]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2nGgkgiKFMZFsDKXGR54D8

@severe sedge this is my sim, though I went with full buffs

[normal mist]

Which isn't accurate

But nothing really is

[severe sedge]

but its my crit that is low then?

[normal mist]

No

[slim pebble]

I know I was just comparing lol

I just focus on getting interrupts as long as you play the game you’ll do enough dps to time keys

[severe sedge]

i mabout same with full buffs, do you do bigger keys?

[warm parcel]

Imo also send ks more in pugs

8s stun is invaluable

[slim pebble]

Just about finished with resil 15s

[severe sedge]

how much overall i know diff from keys but general

[slim pebble]

Last night I did a 15 MT and did 156k overall

[normal mist]

Foss you actually have SS in our dms xD

[slim pebble]

@severe sedge 15 pit and 15 MT

[subtle tundra]

me when i ask overalls(i have no idea theres a billion variables)

I AM JUST A HATER

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/unclejoe-unclejoeshow-dance-drink-gif-19346804

[subtle tundra]

did the other dps focus same mob as you in the pack? -50k dps in that pull

[slim pebble]

I usually just call out which mob I’m gonna gluck

[worn geyser]

tank on a self cook route? -50k overall

[subtle tundra]

did the tank pull slowly, or weirdly, or didnt stack mobs fast, or pulled only 3 mobs, didnt pull on boss, mega pulled, did you bl pack or boss did you have a comp with more aoe/more st, did you have deaths from yourself, did you have deaths from other dps

but yeah dps at the end of dungeon is the only thing that matters

and if mine is bigger youre bad

and if yours is bigger, youre cheating

[slim pebble]

I’ll judge you for lack of interrupts quicker than I’ll judge for DPS

[subtle tundra]

im throbbing

need some feet rn

[runic hinge]

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-toe-eye-foot-creepy-gif-4333033483759580405

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-xal'atath-feet-wow-world-of-warcraft-gif-17385860347846332910

[dire flume]

if i win im a god if you win you're cringe meta abuser

[fresh coyote]

Question about Garrote if anyone could advise; after improved Garrote, do you want to wait it for it to completely go off the target before applying a normal garrote? (Im asking for AoE and ST?)

[analog hedge]

my worst nigtmare came true...

[normal mist]

You're a father?

[analog hedge]

5 item in the pool

i pitied puzzle box next week

[slim pebble]

Yes I believe so

[analog hedge]

💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

[slim pebble]

It’s gonna be in your vault too

[analog hedge]

MY UNHOLY, GOT IT ON FIRST TRY

[analog hedge]

OMG PLEASE NO 😭

[night delta]

Got pants and cloak in Saron this week

I feel ya

[fresh coyote]

Okay thank you! Im mainly confused more on the AoE side, as it I leave it fall off, there's gunna be atleast 2 seconds before all targets have it again, as need to apply, then spread it with CT

[slim pebble]

I got ring on my first run this week

[slim pebble]

I also could be wrong so don’t take it as gospel 😅

[analog hedge]

its okay... on the bright side

[normal mist]

Meanwhile I'm getting the entirety of pit loot because everything is an upgrade

[analog hedge]

its 100% next week 🙂

gotta look at the bright side

🙂

life is beautiful after all

🙂

[night delta]

https://tenor.com/view/bright-side-bright-side-of-life-song-look-at-the-bright-side-positive-gif-12636167

[fresh coyote]

Haha. Alright. Thank you anyway, for the reply! 💪

[night delta]

Got mine last week

I dropped Puzzlebox in Vault so I have no need to farm Algethar

[slim pebble]

I got belt first roll (before fix and still haven’t received that roll back yet) and then legs, then ring

[night delta]

So that's good

[slim pebble]

I took weapon in the vault because I’m not passing up BIS weapon and potentially still waiting weeks

[night delta]

I mean, there's a dagger in Saron

[slim pebble]

Yes, but there’s a lot of items I can still get

[night delta]

Seeing as I already have a 285 crafted I'm not too pressed for a 3 ilvl upgrade on mh

[night delta]

Where any other good drop is 13-ish ilvl

[normal mist]

I'm only missing neck/belt/pants from pit (myth track)

[night delta]

Yeah i'm returning to Saron next week to hopefully get weapon + neck

[analog hedge]

in a hindsight

i should have just rolled on sott/saron yeah

could have upgraded 2-3 pieces

[night delta]

Maybe + bracers if I get a shit vault

[analog hedge]

oh well...

we learn

[normal mist]

My main problem now is that I don't want the belt, because both my wrists, boots and back are myth already

And my belt is emb myth

Which means it will be my last bonus roll later today

[analog hedge]

as someone who isnt that expert in sin talent

why do we have this

cause sudden demise is bad on high key?

[worn geyser]

ya sudden demise is good for pad and for fun in low keys but its not good in high keys

[analog hedge]

📝

[spice surge]

Its only really playable in situations where the entire group outgears the content and everything dies very very quickly

But people kept asking about it, so it was added anyway

[slim pebble]

I had a 263 offhand so taking the 289 MH was actually a 2% dps upgrade lol

[pure moth]

Not a bad upgrade.

[snow kindle]

why is no one playing sin on Lura

[storm forum]

cause of the 20-ish rogues that killed Lura, none of them wanted to play sin

[snow kindle]

but why

[quiet star]

tbf even in this situation someone like paladin will just destroy mobs and sudden demise wouldn't work as expected

idk why they put sudden demise as last talent

[tawny geyser]

My guess is cooldown alignment.. idk

[quiet star]

it's not bad, but investment is crazy

[snow kindle]

nah CDs are fine they line up well

[quiet star]

also Scent of blood x2 looks like talent wasting

[spice surge]

A. Its cool
B. It makes bleeds way more playable in m+ as you dont need the mobs to live for the entire duration for it to be worth dotting

Yes 2nd point of scent is a bit eh nowadays and bleeds could be tuned higher, but the theres nothing wrong with the talent itself

[quiet star]

there is no scenario for it

[spice surge]

#assassination message

This scenario

[storm forum]

10s-12s with the lads for weekly blasting

[quiet star]

yes, but with outgeared group mostly mobs destroyed by flat damage of others

[storm forum]

where nothing lives a full DtB KB

[spice surge]

What does that even mean

[quiet star]

so it helps, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense

[quiet star]

it means that spec doesn't work in low keys with outgeared group

[spice surge]

But it does

[quiet star]

pala+unholy destroys mobs even before you spreading dots sometimes

[storm forum]

i mean, sometimes the rly small things die too fast in 10s when the ret pops CDs

but like, do we really care about the little plant things in spire or whatever?

sometimes they dont have wings for the first 5 seconds and they die as soon as you press CT

so you win some you lose some

most packs are living 15-30 seconds and we have time to get rolling and have everything pop at <35%

highly recommend holding box for execute big pulls

very funny

[lone girder]

is berserkers rage still better then rendorei acuity?

[spice surge]

You can sim it, but should be about the same

[storm forum]

haste for the haste gods

you will feel that extra envenom per minute

[quiet star]

for me it looks like sim decide to have both

[storm forum]

definitely

[worn geyser]

i mean since its just for weekly keys, its like, would u rather have sudden demise and have some moments of fun, or go the normal build and just do negative dmg cause u have no time to ramp any envenoms

its def not a build that turns u into a ret paladin but its a good compromise build for low keys

[spice surge]

You stack haste to get more a few slivers of extra energy, i stack haste to demisemaxx.
We are not the same

[lone girder]

maybe its impactful for mythic raiding?

[quiet star]

this is how dot specs always feels rly

[storm forum]

i think the real question is would you rather SD tiny boy build or press the N button
-# (or press the log out button)

[worn geyser]

true you could play blackpowder shurikan storm spam instead

[storm forum]

m+ sub gives me the same feeling as m+ oracle disc. it was fun the first couple times, but now im bored and never wanna play this again

[storm forum]

do we even know how demise works with all the stats? like does it average out the crit?

[spice surge]

It does not take crit into account at all

[storm forum]

alright im making a new set for weekly keys with 0 crit

cause im allergic to the N button

[spice surge]

It just looks at "ok so if it does the damage this tick did, can it kill?"

[worn geyser]

damn i gotta get a demise set going

max haste mastery

[spice surge]

The boss with the damage amp in nexus point

[worn geyser]

that is an insane demise wtf

[analog hedge]

weird question

does having a full team with same armor type boost ur dmg?

[spice surge]

no

[storm forum]

i mean, DH, Monk and Druid all boost our damage with their buffs so kind of?

[normal mist]

me, who just didn't give a flying F about simming weapon enchants and just picked the one listed on wowhead yeah man, haste good

[storm forum]

but not based on our armor type at all

[spice surge]

Well yeah, but like, its got nothing to with the armor type specifically.

The reason people would want the same armor type is for loot reasons

[storm forum]

also we would rather have a shaman than all three of those combined

[spice surge]

Since if you get a belt when you already have a higher ilvl belt you can trade it

[normal mist]

Thats how I got to 280 in 3 vault resets

And I still have 200 myth crests to farm

[analog hedge]

aah ic

i think i got lied to then lmao

[normal mist]

But I was purely playing with friends

[storm forum]

they might have been confused with the armor type buff for wearing them

[normal mist]

It wasn't intentional

[storm forum]

cause you get 5% bonus main stat or something for wearing ur proper armor type

cause we could wear cloth and in the distant past we did wear cloth cause the stats were better or whatever

and blizz didnt like that so now we lose 5% agi for doing it

[analog hedge]

got asked to try 14 full leather, welp he probably got tricked too

but we timed it

the placebo works 💀

[brave zenith]

hey guys when do i press crimson tempest in mplus

[strange wolf]

yes

[brave zenith]

it kinda seems like a bad button most of the time

[coral ibex]

all the time

[strange wolf]

99% of the time

[dire flume]

why do you think it seems like a bad button

[coral ibex]

im pressing CT any time i either have the energy to sustain it or i need to spread bleeds

[brave zenith]

okay so just garrote and rupture one then go about normal rotation

[strange wolf]

tbf i see a bit of the mindset. if you dont klnow what it does. it is kinda bad. when reading the spell does explane the spell

[brave zenith]

its just a lot of energy

i guess spreading improved garrote is good

[strange wolf]

it does a bnit more then that

[dire flume]

its a lot of energy but its also effectively 3gcd's in one

5 even

its 2 ruptures 2 garrotes and a fok

[strange wolf]

it spreads improved garotte rapture and the extra bleed from having garotte and rapture out

[dire flume]

and does more damage than fok

[strange wolf]

it does your taxxes and puts demo locks in a cuckchair

[brave zenith]

okay so should i garrote rupture evenom then tempest

[quiet star]

that's like impossible

[brave zenith]

and wait for cps to envenom?

[quiet star]

on hige pulls yes you can

on 4-7 mobs you will be out of energy

so less envenoms

[dire flume]

garrote twice ct to 5-7 cp, rupture, back to ct until 5-7, envenom, on use trinket, deathmark, kingsbane, spam envenom

[coral ibex]

reading is hard

i know

[dire flume]

fok when everything has bleeds or you dont have the energy

[coral ibex]

wow look at that

[strange wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/tolarian-community-college-kyle-hill-magic-the-gathering-i-hate-your-deck-reading-the-card-gif-22381436

[royal lantern]

TCG players would NEVER

[spice spire]

I might

[weary stump]

My yugioh card beats your card because the text is unreadable enough so I can lie about it's effect

[normal mist]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/gain-more-power-in-patch-12-0-7-first-look-at-patch-12-0-7-content-381461?utm_source=discord-webhook

[royal lantern]

I LOVE ENDLESS 3% POWER INCREASE PATCHES

[coral ibex]

LOA LOREWALKING

[royal lantern]

loawalking

[fallow canopy]

Lets go we can have the tea on who is the loa of misinformation

[slim pebble]

All of us

[severe meadow]

wake up honey, another 3%

[hazy sundial]

Please tell me this is not borrowed power

[little current]

oh my god bruh 🥀

[waxen oyster]

i love bricking kill timers

by the laziest buffs ever

[stuck lodge]

Guys I didn't run back to the adds on M vor and now my raid lead is saying purple parsers skip mechanics to prio their parse

What do I do

[coral ibex]

your raid lead is dumb

[subtle tundra]

tell them that they are dumb and have no idea how the game works and that they should l2p and stop complaining its the 2nd boss of the raid if they need a rogue to help they need jesus

[coral ibex]

my raid lead says melees stay on boss unless you get fixated

[severe meadow]

Melee is just so not needed for the adds lol

[stuck lodge]

So in our guild it definitely is lol our ranged dps are not exactly topping the meters

[severe meadow]

not your problem

[runic hinge]

tell your ranged dps to turn on their monitor

[coral ibex]

so somehow a melee who has to turn around and run for 10 seconds to the back of the arena before hitting the mobs, then gradually damage the mobs to stagger their deaths, and then run 10 seconds back to the boss

is doing more damage than a ranged

who can just tab target

you should ask your raid lead this question in discord voice with the ranged in the channel

[severe meadow]

Not to mention possibly dropping bleeds and any ramp you had

to do none ass damage to the adds

[coral ibex]

ranged players are allowed to be literal bots

its crazy

[stuck lodge]

I think I'd get kicked for calling em out like that lol

I just said I disagree that purple parsers only get them because they ignore mechanics

[coral ibex]

personally i'd just ignore those calls and if you get called out then put the ranged on blast for being bots

[severe meadow]

it's not even ignoring mechanics

you're just literally worse off swapping to adds

[coral ibex]

we're talking about the 2nd boss on mythic

the ranged just need to tab target

thats all

[stuck lodge]

Yeah, oh well. I'm also falling behind in parses because my ilvl has plateued at like 280 and no gaze.

Also I'm not that great

[visual sun]

My fellow crucible enjoyer

[stuck lodge]

Well... I'm running the hungerer lol

Which at max hero level barely beats champ crucible

[abstract thunder]

hello if as a rogue assa to sim for m+ is it better to sim patchwreck 4 targets or dung slice /
?\

[runic hinge]

dungeon slice

[abstract thunder]

thx

[tawny geyser]

Chimareus, soak 1 or 2 for us?

[patent heart]

Do sin and sub roughly share the same stat priority now?

[waxen oyster]

they already kind of did

[storm forum]

for raid, we're the same, but in m+ I think sub wants to giga stack mastery

but dont quote me on that

also sub has haste breakpoints for dance while assa just wants haste cause good stat and they are coincidentally similar values

[patent heart]

Dope

[waxen oyster]

its overthinking stats

[weary stump]

Dance valeera dance

[patent heart]

I was super mastery stacked for dungeons but now swapping to almost all crit haste

[waxen oyster]

besides outlaw avoids mastery

[full hawk]

But how big difference is if i dont have optimal stats

[waxen oyster]

barely

[storm forum]

idk about sub, but assa don't care that much

[waxen oyster]

stats are a cope

[weary stump]

Your 100 parse becomes a 99 parse

[waxen oyster]

stats are just the easiest thing to blame

when you play bad

[acoustic roost]

Sub needs at minimum 700 haste to fit 2 sec techs in shadow blades with guidon. But that’s about it

[waxen oyster]

also probably why people play classic wow

[storm forum]

it feels good to stack crit/haste cause resources, but it really doesn't matter at all, and ur not actually gonna feel that 1 extra env per minute or whatever and you can still casino roll high or low with a lot or a little crit

[waxen oyster]

no need for player skill

[full hawk]

I undetstand, but gear matters i guess

[waxen oyster]

for agi

[full hawk]

Trinkets, weapons

[acoustic roost]

ilvl

[waxen oyster]

weapon is any 289

[slim pebble]

Ilvl is king unless guidon is apart of it because in my sims for sub a normal guidon outsimmed everything

[storm forum]

ilvl king except trinkets and jewerly

i was using a veteran neck for a while lmao

[waxen oyster]

why not renown

[slim pebble]

I wonder if they intended for that trinket to be so fucking strong

[waxen oyster]

you think they test their game

lmao

i think its “fine” pre zone buffs

that affect the trinket too

[storm forum]

cause i didnt like doing abundance or whatever the weekly rep thing for the trolls was

[full hawk]

So ilvl and player skill is most important 😄

[waxen oyster]

always has been

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1499477082097455238/image.png?ex=69f4f05b&is=69f39edb&hm=968631df17177618a1ac40b724fe198148327e340c728f6212b0afd498f1b840&

[waxen oyster]

real and based

[static glacier]

Player skill >> class power =>ilvl

imo anyway

[waxen oyster]

why would you want to prog half these bosses

[static glacier]

Because we wanna play the fuckin game man

[vestal wren]

i should make a video for "music to listen to, while progressing paladins mythic as subtlety rogue"

[waxen oyster]

i saw a pov of paladins and was like

lmao nope

[storm forum]

I love fighting dragons, but I don't actually love the mechanics of this dragon fight

[static glacier]

Sure, they’ve made two council fights two tiers in a row that just say fuck you to melee

[vestal wren]

just a reminder

subtlety was rly good the last time we had a 3 target cleave boss

[waxen oyster]

every council fight is

”random bullshit go”

now mythic is random bullshit overlaps

[vestal wren]

somehow we are bad at what we supposed to be good at

[static glacier]

Idk about rly good, I’d say it was closer to middle of the pack

If we’re talking soul hunters

[full hawk]

Paladin is boring af

[vestal wren]

talking about first tier in DF

^^

[static glacier]

Ahhhhh

Yes sub did blast there

[waxen oyster]

i played outlaw

on that boss

[vestal wren]

subtlety did good aoe in s1

then got sucessively nerfed

[waxen oyster]

also our ranged were terrorists

[vestal wren]

and we now don't even have cleave anymore (or well, have rly bad one)

[static glacier]

Idk it’s wierd how they somehow managed to have bp be good at 4 then and now it’s dogshit at 3

[waxen oyster]

on lightning debuff

[vestal wren]

4 years worth of "advancements"

[worn geyser]

id rather this than half the bosses that dont do anything and are just target dummies like voracious shits boring af

[static glacier]

I think the issue is they homogenised rogue specs a bit too much whe they gave them all flurry / flurry style aoe

[vestal wren]

(i am exreggerating obviousely)

[waxen oyster]

Also imo

[vestal wren]

they took flurry away from subtlety

[static glacier]

So they wanted to pull back

[waxen oyster]

voti as an outlaw tier

[vestal wren]

which did immo just backfire

[waxen oyster]

except rasz

[jolly stirrup]

Nice, I was not there, my guild kills Saladbar, I am not there today, they kill Dragons.... i see a pattern.... AND I DONT LIKE IT

[static glacier]

To be fair of all three it was deffo the one that needed it the least, sin without spatter doesn’t function. Outlaw is already on crutches xd

[vestal wren]

every tier is an outlaw tier

if you are brave enough

[static glacier]

Sub having nimble kinda made outlaw actually not remotely a consideration

[waxen oyster]

outlaw on tindral was self harm

[static glacier]

Since it did the whole low target cleave better / more effectively than outlaw (you don’t need a degree in outlaw to do above 0dps)

[waxen oyster]

especially if you still did a feather

[static glacier]

Then they took away precise cuts from outlaw, making outlaws dmg at different target counts look more like sub again? Shit at low targets better at higher

And now I’m left wondering- just what is their vision for each spec?

[rugged basalt]

can i continue doomposting

[waxen oyster]

outlaw used to be the good low target cleaver

[static glacier]

Yes

Which is why I don’t get what they did this expac

Why are we making sub shit at 2-3t again to then make the original good at 2-3 spec shit at those target counts? I thought nimble flurry’s removal was to give outlaw space to exist

[waxen oyster]

rogue doesnt have a designer

[static glacier]

Then they just turned around and kneecapped outlaw

[waxen oyster]

just ask claude

[royal lantern]

good

[static glacier]

?????

[waxen oyster]

how to tune rogue

[royal lantern]

nerfing outlaw is always ethical

[static glacier]

Bro the spec is nerfed by design xd

[royal lantern]

idc

im a hater

[static glacier]

Why

[waxen oyster]

i miss shiv windows though

[worn geyser]

outlaw deserves to be relegated to the worst performing spec perma imo

[rugged basalt]

saw this on my tl https://fixupx.com/mortadin/status/2049900948542062852

Mortadin (@mortadin)

↩ (@Herotherogue)
@Herotherogue >plays spec that has "ass" twice in its name
︀︀>spec is ass

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[static glacier]

It already was

[faint mural]

Vanish shiv windows will always hold a special place in my heart

[static glacier]

Atleast from a raid perspective this spec needs VERY specific conditions to even be considered

[rugged basalt]

this in reply to something related to discussion
https://fixupx.com/Herotherogue/status/2049887708143857825 someone check in on our rat

Rat with a knife🐀 (@Herotherogue)

AH I LOVE ASSASSINATION ROGUE WHY CANT BLIZZARD LOVE ME TOO MAN WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK DUDE JUST LET ME PLAY THE SPEC I LOVE BRO STOP FORCING US INTO PIRATE ROLEPLAY SPEC GOD I HATE THIS GAME SAVE ME BABY JESUS 8LB 6OZ I NEED YOU MORE THAN EVER

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[waxen oyster]

assa has this weird thing where poison and bleed emphasis plays tug of war

[worn geyser]

good i never wanna see it it sucks

[waxen oyster]

and poison always wins

[static glacier]

Keys idk, I think the outlaw mains are just more willing to force the spec vs sin/sub players just rolling to meta

Atleast that’s how I’m gonna explain outlaw clearing higher keys than dagger specs

[waxen oyster]

sub is so boring in keys

its fr 2 buttons

[static glacier]

I guess in a way I’m saying @midnight mist is brain damaged enough to still be on outlaw while casual just goes meta instead of representing dagger rogue

[waxen oyster]

90% of the time

[faint mural]

Assa is better than sub in keys tho. We chillin

[waxen oyster]

casual is playing outlaw

nowadays

or hunter

[faint mural]

Okay?

[vestal wren]

not going down that rabbit hole

[waxen oyster]

fundamentally its weird to me how trickster

is spamming bp

[static glacier]

There’s no defence. You know it was never fair for sub to get flurry, it just crowds out the other specs, especially outlaw

[waxen oyster]

my best take is IC only opened up assa

[vestal wren]

[waxen oyster]

to pepegas

[static glacier]

Flurry on sub fixes sins main issue - doing dps to adds in a short timeframe. It fixes outlaws issue - since sub has burst

I’m not baiting fuu, come on you know me

[waxen oyster]

now the pepegas wont leave

[static glacier]

I’m being genuine

[waxen oyster]

people act like assa having to manually multidot

was a crime

[static glacier]

Sub with flurry by virtue of design just fixes the other specs issues and subs original weakness

At 2-3t

Especially 2 tbh

I do think they coulda done it better than what they ended up doing by removing nimble, but long term it had to happen

[vestal wren]

then lets say, i have very diffrent views on it

[royal lantern]

it did

because it made assa "good" in m+

and when the m+ monkees appear, its going downhill

[static glacier]

Or they give outlaw burst / sin ability to aoe

[static glacier]

Go for it, you’re deffo more informed than me on sub - maybe I’m missing something

[vestal wren]

tho i realized people are happy if subtlety get gutted ^^

[severe meadow]

[faint mural]

Sub needs more depth

[static glacier]

Tbh I’d argue the entire rogue class’ aoe got gutted this patch, or so it feels

[royal lantern]

i understand what they mean but like

that versison of the game were 1 spec is "good at one thing and bad at the other" doesnt really exists anymore

[vestal wren]

never worked

[waxen oyster]

yeah nothing good happens when you involve m+ers

[weary stump]

What sin really needs is queensbane from kyveza to go alongside our kingsbane stuff, clearly

[royal lantern]

like, its just BAD if it is that way lol

[vestal wren]

sin rework would also not made any sense if this was the case, just saying

[static glacier]

Now we have some specs that are good at everything or atleast not weak at anything - so specs with real downsides can’t survive

[worn geyser]

do u still count as a monkey if u forced sin in m+ even when it was horrible before IC in like bfa s3

[royal lantern]

yes

thhats the problem

[weary stump]

Precast queensbane after death mark but before kingsbane

[royal lantern]

you can only have strong/weak parts in specs as a desing when everyone follows those rules

[static glacier]

Sub is just the least flawed by design, its design creates fewer failure points

[royal lantern]

and thats not the case for like 14 years now lol

[static glacier]

In the modern game

[waxen oyster]

huh

[static glacier]

If all three are remotely equal sub is just de facto winner

[waxen oyster]

sub is severely flawed

with this new haste design

[foggy fog]

[static glacier]

I meant design in terms of how it expresses its power in game

[royal lantern]

the haste stuff for ssub/outlaw is SO fucking stupid

[static glacier]

Sub avoids the frankly massive issues with the other two specs.

[royal lantern]

most halfhassed way to make haste a good stat for them

[static glacier]

Has better cd timer than sin even

[waxen oyster]

i personally think bp needs to get axed

and nimble just cleaves

alas

[vestal wren]

i think you have a severe case of grass is greener syndrom

[static glacier]

Likely yes I am biased

[faint mural]

Just roll uhdk bro

[foggy fog]

Outlaw or assas rn????

[static glacier]

My issue is that it’s not just observation, this is extremely coloured by guilds in the past and their demands for sub

[weary stump]

I enjoy my asphalt, it's greener than the forest the hunter main lives in

[waxen oyster]

yeah the fact it doesnt do anything but make gameplay not shit

[static glacier]

It doesn’t matter how much I hoped, it’s been sub meta for idk how many expacs now

[royal lantern]

best sstrat for melee dps for the last 3 expansions now

[static glacier]

Atleast I remember it being full sub from df onwards (with occasional sin playtime later in the patch)

[waxen oyster]

but dk doesnt have a raid buff

why would dk mains gaslamp

[weary stump]

We basically don't either

[static glacier]

Outlaw iirc was kurog prenerf for a week or two and then after that idk

[weary stump]

Atrophic is such a meme

[fallow canopy]

early prog has been sub for what feels like years

[static glacier]

Now that’s why I’m fairly sure I’m biased against sub / I believe it is just more meta by design

[weary stump]

This time last year was gally, do you feel old yet

[waxen oyster]

gally was better as assa

for 90% of guilds

[static glacier]

I’m still waiting for sin / outlaw to have a similar chance

[weary stump]

Outlaw not permitted sorry, we are just going to remove that spec

[static glacier]

My guild is on beloren M atm, like wr 230 or w/e for reference.

[weary stump]

Sword mains in shambles

[static glacier]

My gm has banned me from outlaw in raid

Multiple tiers now

[weary stump]

Good

[static glacier]

Idk if this is grass is greener or not

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[waxen oyster]

barely any 1h agi specs

[static glacier]

K spree on cauldron and gallywix is pure memes

[waxen oyster]

ww mid

[static glacier]

Didn’t have the balls to do it on sprocket

[waxen oyster]

havoc outshined by devourer

[weary stump]

Remove outlaw, add in rogue healer class called plague doctor

[fallow canopy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/741275386188529734/1372656620034592869/3882ade1b2e0cab5893c24ec180af244.gif

[royal lantern]

what? when a melee dps exclusive class gets a ranged option, the ranged option makes melee pointless?

NOBODY saw that comming in world of rangedcraft!

[haughty flicker]

well

[static glacier]

Better get used to it, havoc has recieved the feral / enh treatment

[waxen oyster]

yeah who could have seen that coming

[haughty flicker]

devo is also just one of the most busted specs to have existed in this game atm

[static glacier]

Oh survival too

[waxen oyster]

ironically havoc is like 2nd best melee

too

[haughty flicker]

so its not a very fair comparison

[weary stump]

Good morning beloren child of glorp

[haughty flicker]

but yes i agree with the sentiment

[waxen oyster]

ranged when they have to sidestep for a mechanic

[static glacier]

all im saying is getting a ranged spec added to your class is a disaster if you main melee dps

[waxen oyster]

act like you pissed in their cereal

[weary stump]

I did but that was a different canon event

[waxen oyster]

also like ranged in keys

how tf do you die

as this shit

[royal lantern]

"ranged have so many mechanics"

meanwhile the ranged mechanics: they all stand still and casts while the raidleader does them solo

[tawny geyser]

!log

[royal lantern]

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile ranged having

a dozen instant fillers

[royal lantern]

or the newest spec literally casting while moving

[waxen oyster]

or the mechanic is

stand on a marker

and keep casting

[strange wolf]

i love it when the strat is stand still and do dps. its my favorite

[waxen oyster]

yeah dont remind me

[strange wolf]

but i do have to say. allot of mellee players need to learn how to stand still.

[waxen oyster]

i thought devourer would have to stand still

at least a bit

[strange wolf]

like your apm doesnt matter that much

[waxen oyster]

we need another boss like tyrant

where ad spam killed you

[fallow canopy]

Their biggest hitter is like a 4 sec cast iirc?

[waxen oyster]

its not frequent at least

[fallow canopy]

True

[waxen oyster]

its their giant spiritbomb nuke

iirc

[fallow canopy]

Ye collapsing star

[haughty flicker]

it used to make you lose all your souls if you canceled the cast

which was very funny

[waxen oyster]

i also like how

[haughty flicker]

they shouldve kept that

[waxen oyster]

they buffed devourer

because john casual

couldnt handle

[royal lantern]

ADADADADADADADADDADADADADADADADADADADAD with some JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP JUMP mixed in is part of the dps rotation

check wowhead

[waxen oyster]

its just peak comedy to have a caster

with dh mobility

what could go wrong!

[weary stump]

Me wiggling is the embodiment of my whimsy, you can't take this from me

[waxen oyster]

its up there with boomkin players

how many early pulls because dumb chickens cannot count to 4

[storm forum]

This is part of the appeal of current disc in raid. You can mostly ignore Smite and ur only other hard casted spell is mind blast so I'm just wiggling around.

Gotta remember to recraft with a lucky Keychain though for maximum whimsy

[haughty flicker]

holy nova being just as good a filler as smite for holy has been fun

i dont raid heal but in keys its been nice

[storm forum]

Also if ur not vibing and jumping around and making ur guildies nervous when there's a mechanic remotely near melee are you really vibing?

[ancient ingot]

guys i have 39% crit/ 21% haste / 29% mastery, ig my haste big , should i change a bit on mastery? sim says - no

[coral ibex]

good bit

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[storm forum]

Listen to ur sims

[waxen oyster]

I like how most people

just ignore their vers

vers and mastery do the same shit

[sacred oyster]

what makes you think it should change if sims said no? why would you think the sim was wrong

[waxen oyster]

if you think about it

[storm forum]

Vers makes healers' lives easier and we can't have that

[waxen oyster]

vers lets me stand in shit more

[royal lantern]

every stat is vers in disguise

[waxen oyster]

get your facts sorted

[waxen oyster]

i mean mastery quite literally is

[sacred oyster]

5% less dmg is still 90% instead of 95% of your health gone lol

[waxen oyster]

”x class mechanic does more”

quite literally what vers is

[royal lantern]

survival hunter mastery is LITERALLY vers btw

[storm forum]

You need a monk/priest/paladin that will pocket bubble you at the slightest thought that ur gonna greed uptime

[royal lantern]

like, it is "you and your pet do mastery% more dmg and take less dmg"

[sonic zinc]

coniditional vers but yea

its dr if pet next to u isnt it

[waxen oyster]

that makes it wrse

ngl

[royal lantern]

aka always

its 25 yards

when is your pet NOT 25yards from you lmao

[sonic zinc]

yea its just weirdly conditional

to make it slightly distinct from vers

[weary stump]

We should convince the next rogue that asks about substats to prog that he should full send exclusively vers

[waxen oyster]

get the seat ring bonus

avoidancemaxxing

[sacred oyster]

rogue tanking

[waxen oyster]

fake news

[sacred oyster]

i actually tanked those lil wyrm things after 2nd boss AA after everyone but me died long enough for tank to get back to save the pull.

[waxen oyster]

yeah i do those too with 1h tricks

[storm forum]

Long cloak/evasion is the only thing I miss about deathstalker

[gray hazel]

!ct

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[gray hazel]

Do you guys know if this still applies with the internal bleeding being spread with CT?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[gray hazel]

Dope, thanks!

Wasnt sure with IB being strong if it would overwrite the FoK spam.

[frosty cedar]

assa is officially the hardest padder on dragons out of the rogue specs

disturbing things have occured on this pull

[sonic zinc]

show boss dam

[frosty cedar]

I dont know how to show it on the log omegalul

[shy creek]

how did this even happen

[frosty cedar]

I think im 40k above rank 2

I actually dunno

lmao

[shy creek]

also that

[frosty cedar]

[shy creek]

but like actually what the fuck did u do that made that happen LOL

[frosty cedar]

I played the sudden demise build for the first time

and it was like hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

[shy creek]

5 healers for vaelgor into 3 tanks into 3 dps doing tank damage

wtf

[frosty cedar]

I think they died ngl

[royal lantern]

could be my guild

(im doing tank dmg)

[quiet star]

slice and dice looks like useless thing

400k for 30 mins run

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

[shy creek]

its been bugged afaik for the longest time

[royal lantern]

nah

recoup just sucks

alwayss did

selfhealing is overall not really impactfull

[quiet star]

is it good bug or bad one?

[shy creek]

bad

talent just doesn't work as intended

[quiet star]

interesting

[shy creek]

rogue bugs and blizzard 🤝

[quiet star]

but still everyone take it

[shy creek]

Well the question is what else would you take

this isnt super useful either

[coral ibex]

seriously what is your guild doing lmao

[balmy condor]

recup works fine now I think

[coral ibex]

like no wonder you got so much SD pad

[quiet star]

but numbers are terrible

[balmy condor]

yes

[coral ibex]

your raid has 5 players that are basically afk

[quiet star]

I will better take shadowrunner

[balmy condor]

if you'd like

useless point for useless point

seems reasonable to me

[quiet star]

deadenes nerves, shadowrunner

[shy creek]

Go for it

[quiet star]

interesting if unbreakable will can make debuffs with speed effect shorter, anyone know? like chains in seat for example

or the one in pos

[balmy condor]

me when I'm in a pointless existance competition and my opponent is last 2 points for rogue trees

no

cause those do damage

[royal lantern]

you can allready take deadeness nerves

[potent jetty]

guys, can i use wound poison on magister?

[storm forum]

No

[quiet star]

dissapointment

also after like 20+ runs in AA i get box with leech lol

this game sometimes trolling me

[storm forum]

Stop trying to take wound poison for something that heals like 10% of one mob's health

It's not worth it

Just do more damage than ur heal cutting

[frosty cedar]

[potent jetty]

i loose too much

i`m asking cuz with Sub i could

lol

[royal lantern]

yeha, sub is not based around poisons

[potent jetty]

that's whats feels wrong to me

[storm forum]

Yeah the other specs don't have 20 thousand modifiers for poisons

[potent jetty]

another question, can i just drop crippling?

[storm forum]

I just realized we're playing balatro with our poisons

[potent jetty]

or is a lost to DMG?

[storm forum]

Yeah if you don't wanna slow stuff dropping crip is fine

They fixed the bug where it was buffing us

I think

[royal lantern]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392807916543017000/1499502304246894793/1.png?ex=69f507d8&is=69f3b658&hm=f2b903f2d6b1502c405aac389b497611ffc3d68a2770a1c8716bc46d9b8ce93b&

hmmmmmmm

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....................

EU servers shitting the bed?

[frosty cedar]

seems fine for me

[royal lantern]

its only wow

idk

[reef flower]

Just did an easy +13 SR on an old laptop, dps was horendous I thought it was because of the setup. Realised on last boss that I didn't have my poisons up....

[onyx veldt]

can i ask a noob question

[sacred oyster]

asking to ask a question is nooby, so you used it up already

[onyx veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27477158

[royal lantern]

get a poison reminder

trust me

otherwhise it just happens sometimes

[reef flower]

Yeah I use buffreminders all the time, didn't have it installed here

[onyx veldt]

so erm im still learning and ofc struggling with interrupt for example on Mythic Chim ive been having a hard time because when fighting mobs i dont really use my mouse hence not only do i have to know where my cursor is constantly but mobs also spawn kind of randomly during intermission and i end up having to quickly aim at them and sometimes sprint or Shadowstep to reach them. So yeah any tips? Or is this just a skill issue that comes down to muscle memory?

https://tenor.com/view/j-peterman-wordy-seinfeld-blah-blah-blah-gif-7061450426929849685

[sacred oyster]

wat. how do you not use your mouse to move camera lol

[onyx veldt]

ah ye true i do

LOL

[sacred oyster]

i dont click cast i just keep right click held down for most part so i can easily move cam

[ornate aspen]

Chim kicks should be getting kicked by ranged and/or gripped when they spawn. Only your problem when in melee

[royal lantern]

btw, tab targeting automatically targets casting enemys first when you tab around

so if you cleave from the big guy and a cast is starting, you can just tab->kick

bu when they spawn? yeha itss just be fast if you wanna step->kick

[onyx veldt]

okay fair enough

[ornate aspen]

You can bait yourself with this if more than one mob Is casting

[royal lantern]

or let ranged do mechanics for once/let DKss do their stuff while they cry about no raidbuff

[royal lantern]

tbh

i just throw blind

when they are in the death blob

[ornate aspen]

This works great until raid lead checks kicks on logs and sends you a message for being naughty

[onyx veldt]

ty guys

[royal lantern]

what shity rl would complain about you using a cc ability to interupt a cast

[ornate aspen]

It just delays the cast, so on logs it doesn't show you actually interrupted

Which is why rogue should just get an AOE kick

We may not have a real raid buff but bet your ass that would make us a staple in keys

[faint mural]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[little current]

how do I make sin's cds feel better in m+?

it feels way too powerful, cause you use DM+KB on an enemy and they melt and its over

[sacred oyster]

make sure you actually do things during it to do damage

[little current]

no

i mean that's the problem

they do too much damager

the singular target dies and im left useless

not every pack has a giant mob that you can center around

[royal lantern]

huh

[sacred oyster]

you can still drop envenoms on any other target if your prio dies

[royal lantern]

assa in m+ is a spec with decent sustained dmg

[normal mist]

When there is everyone looks at him too

[royal lantern]

like, many specs are WAY worse in that regard lol

[sacred oyster]

but if your prio dies the others prob dead too, move to next pack

[little current]

also I just realized I was on my raid cleave build

[sacred oyster]

when first prio dies, target the next biggest mob with most health and drop env on it

if every prio mob is dead the whole packs got to be dead lol

[storm forum]

If things aren't living. It's time for the baby key SD build and do silly degenerate things with vanish and box.

[faint mural]

Degen gameplay is what assa is best at

[tawny geyser]

Any chance someone can quickly review a ST log? !log thread sadly doesnt work in Assa chanel.

[frosty cedar]

i can have a look if you like

[royal lantern]

#assassination be like

[chilly cove]

mining + herbalism or mining + skinning

[royal lantern]

do you wanna fly around and collect stuff, or fly around and collect stuff and sometimes kill enemys to collect stuff

[chilly cove]

depends on income

[waxen oyster]

neither is particularly impressive

[royal lantern]

like, im gonna be blunt there

if you think you can start with professions now and make big gold while at the same time apperantely knowing NOTHING about them

lol

the gathering train is allready over

[little current]

I come from FF

[royal lantern]

crafting is allready dominated by the ussual totally-not-bots spamming trade chat

[little current]

i really dislike how important gold is to raiding

its so stressful

[royal lantern]

idk what you guys do

like, my gold only goes up since forever, and all im doing is crafting enchants once a day

literally 600k+ since expac launch

[waxen oyster]

atp you probs make more money off wqs

than gathering profs

[buoyant herald]

gathering is pretty much screwed unless you no life it in early access or are a druid bot

[waxen oyster]

its like what 1.2k a wq in wm

[buoyant herald]

you can do ok with crafting for tips if you work from home and can be semi AFK

[waxen oyster]

i like netting druid bots

[buoyant herald]

but it's somewhat out of your control

[waxen oyster]

and watching them fall z axis to death

[chilly cove]

its better to learn enchant and etc?

[buoyant herald]

i always just go leatherworking so i can make my own stuff without needing to tip / find crafters etc

make a few bux on the side doing commissions

[waxen oyster]

if you dont know how your local ah works

you're not gonna make good gold

off professions

[royal lantern]

^

[balmy condor]

"local" ah

[royal lantern]

just do casual crafting stuff and you make some gold

[balmy condor]

and 98% of it is commodities

[royal lantern]

BIG money needs knowledge and investment+time

and luck

or a bot army

[waxen oyster]

hold on making clickbait transmog gold farming guide

not goin to disclose the item might not sell

for 2 weeks

[royal lantern]

YOU CAN MAKE 250K AN HOUR DOING THIS!!!!!!

[waxen oyster]

genuinely i question how some people are adults

[royal lantern]

->it farming some Vanilla or TBC dungeon for a BoE Slutmog drop that nobody buys for 14 years now abnd sits in the AH for 100k

[waxen oyster]

and dont understand basic supply/demand

[royal lantern]

midnight launch was funny

you watchhed so many people go "omg im gonna be so smart and make a druid for herb+mining in early acess phase"

[cold niche]

always worth...

[royal lantern]

shocker incomming: ores and herbs had allready near 0 value after 2 days

[waxen oyster]

main character syndrome

[royal lantern]

like, if you wanna do some quick bucks in the first week of an expansion

rush professsion tool stuff

and be one of the first that can do it

[waxen oyster]

yeah but that takes more brain

than farming herbs

[cold niche]

probably is the easy way to get some coins

[cold niche]

x2

[chilly cove]

now i saw why u told me about mining

wtf are these prices

[buoyant herald]

this didn't work in midnight since they made blue tools boe

that's my usual strat too

but they fucked me lol

[royal lantern]

prof enchants where the bigger thing this time

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure mining gold is trivial

for the common drops

[royal lantern]

resourcefullness and multicraft enchants went for 50k+ on the first week

[buoyant herald]

yeah thats a smart play

[waxen oyster]

yk what was the freest gold

selling bfa food during SL magetower launch week

[buoyant herald]

but so is prof tools usually, the change was unaanounced and not on ptr so whats a man to do

[waxen oyster]

because every tw guide had it listed as "bis"

and saguicells were limited resource

[royal lantern]

or going mulch in herbalism to grab that 1x guranteed Lotus every Hour

[waxen oyster]

i see gold here

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1106266712573218856/1499141390712443060/hx3kj0t.gif

[royal lantern]

cus early lotus prices where BIG

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-gif-9179396997122410360

[chilly cove]

so prof is busted

[buoyant herald]

no? its just not a great gold maker unless you REALLY know what you're doing

and can get ahead in early access usually

[cold niche]

40 yard wtf? you can stay very farm and still got the buff from Augmentation

[thorn thorn]

bro isnt a knower

[royal lantern]

gotta kiss your homie

[coral ibex]

how unemployed do you have to be to look at 30k/hr from mining and think thats a good use of my time

jobbage immediately

[cold niche]

hey i know a some people doing mining and gattering stuff

that people what does carries, they get a lot of golds.

[coral ibex]

unfortunately i think if an hour of wow-work doesn't pay more than however many wow tokens you can buy with an hour of pay from your job, its just not worth your time

spending my time working for the equivalent of a few dollars per hour

[vital haven]

ok but ones playing the game

the other's a job

[coral ibex]

ok i mean if you enjoy herbing and mining as the game you are playing

then you are just getting paid to play yes

but i am not that kind of person

i would rather be playing the game, aka raiding or doing dungeons

if you are doing professions just to fund your account, you are working

just get a job and buy tokens and play the game with your limited discretionary time

[coral ibex]

therefore,

[waxen oyster]

Yeah unless you get it while playing the game.

specifically just farming for it is uhh.....

[storm forum]

I like herbing, I find it very relaxing and I can watch streams or shows on my other monitor

[coral ibex]

boosting is where the real gold is at

blasting a heroic lockout and getting paid like 400k or maybe more

thats a good use of my time

[cold niche]

some people doing services, lvl up characters or made world tours so for that people is a job.

[humble verge]

have they introduced 282 boe now?

i just saw

[analog field]

yeah but it is not a job

If you are not living in Iran you make more by working a normal job

Also keep in mind that if you don't use your gold to buy tokens and you sell them you are doing something illegal too

[waxen oyster]

Pretty sure boosters very often come from those kind of countries

especially in eu servers

[coral ibex]

well i dont care if people want to sell their gold, its their account to lose

i just think people should value their time

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure i saw some russian pvp boosters

with like 10 alts

for carries

[coral ibex]

unless you are unemployed and wow is your game, you probably work a full time job and play wow in a limited window of discretionary time

why spend your recreation time working for even less than you make irl

[analog field]

most of the boosters are doing it as a job

and they make more than they could do in the country

[cold niche]

100%.

but as i said as before i know people from latam and they living just making services in WoW

[sick rampart]

So as a new Sass player, I have a couple of questions. Is DM and KB a part of the AoE rotation and if so when?

[hazy sundial]

Yes

[sick rampart]

wow ty much

[quiet star]

ffs

stack 12% of leech

on dummies after dots spread I'm healing about 25k hp per second

[solemn sandal]

Hey guys, what do you think is the best comp for a assa rogue to push rating? Currently kinda "stuck" getting invites on +18 keys, even phys comp groups dont take me. So ive decided to push my own key and just do the resi key. What do you think is the best for making my own groups?

[hazy sundial]

Zerocool has been blasting with Brew / rDruid / UH DK and Aug evoker

[burnt ember]

Anybody got any good plater profiles to emphasize kicks on chimaerus/other content?

[ocean bear]

Ive been using platy with the luxthros import

Modify some sizes and spacing

[hazy sundial]

How do i sim which flask is best for me?

[burnt ember]

Can you link that import to reinforce my laziness?

[ocean bear]

https://www.luxthos.com/interface-addon-profiles/

[burnt ember]

oh thanks gamer

[ocean bear]

Then scroll to platynator

[burnt ember]

Didn't see that

[ocean bear]

I switched the debuff and stun icons though on the import. I like the dots on the right side of the frame, but that addon is very simple to modify stuff

[burnt ember]

Yeah it's very simple and I'm happy the way it is

How do prio kicks look?

[faint mural]

does assa and sub share the same stats ?

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning needle]

does assa and sub share the same tastes?

[warm raft]

Are there any tips and trick for playing around the apex talents?

[balmy condor]

would letting it proc at 80 stacks count as a tip

[warm raft]

I tried to do this but do i just stop what I am doing at 80 stacks every time it gets to 80 or just when i need some energy

[stuck lodge]

I'd have to check the sub discord but I'm betting its not as much feet and femboys

[vagrant lantern]

Slightly higher prio on Mastery as Sub. But with recent changes to Cloud Cover Crit is showing way more importance

[cunning needle]

yeah you're kinda right they don't share same tastes.

ty

[balmy condor]

it's just energy at the end of the day, so in giga aoe you might not need to drop it

[warm raft]

I feel like am running out of energy often. I am a sub playing trying to get back to sin a little. I feel like if im not hitting a button i am losing dps

[storm forum]

welcome to assa, if you press a button and extend ur apex at the wrong time ur losing dps

[warm raft]

Do we still wait on envenom till it gets to about 1s

[storm forum]

if someone told you "remember your ABCs (Always Be Casting)" go back in time and punch them

[vagrant lantern]

Don't be afraid to pool your energy. This isn't FFXIV.

[storm forum]

envenom no longer pandemics

you can wait on env when you're lower on energy and in the middle of a chain (like 20-50 stacks) to let it go a bit longer

but most of the time we dont think about it

[severe meadow]

I don't think anyway

[storm forum]

trying to explain what i do is so weird

im just pressing buttons

just vibing

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[storm forum]

i just kind of know when pooling is good or when its sketch

[knotty vapor]

do our dots stick to the adds on chim when they swap phase?

[storm forum]

yes

[knotty vapor]

interesting

[storm forum]

I have come out of downstairs and the big add still has like 6 seconds of rupture left

I am assuming it's a real rupture and not a visual bug or something

[west crown]

anyone have a macro for stepping a focus target and then focusing last target?

[coral ibex]

/cast @focus Shadowstep

[west crown]

well that didn't work

[lofty rune]

in the ideal opener do I pre-puzz then steath into improved garrote, blow cds, etc

or do I just puzz mid go

[spice surge]

You do not puzzle before the fight no

Assa has way too much setup for that

[lofty rune]

does puzzle affect the previously applied improved garrotes

[spice surge]

It does

Everything in the game does

[lofty rune]

ty

[storm forum]

is there a way to get razorwire back in the dragons/paladins/council build?

cause not having it is fucking with my muscle memory

[pine plank]

Why is the pit of saron dagger such big prio ? can't i jsut roll for algethar if i Have a mythic track dagger already ?

[spice surge]

You definitely can, and probably should

As long as you have a myth track dagger its fine

[plain thistle]

because its a myth weapon in a dungeon with a lot of good itens

if you already have a myth dagger you can roll in other dungeons, the priority is assuming you dont

[honest crescent]

am i trolling myself for playing assa? everyone yelling outlaw the best in pve and pvp as well. Didn't play anything but ass athis xpac

[balmy condor]

assa is fine

[faint mural]

Assa is still very good

[latent kernel]

playing what you enjoy will always beat meta chasing, meta is constantly changing

[honest crescent]

agreed

i just got cucked in 1v1 by a few outlaws and made me salty. Felt like they had perma evasion or some shit

[fleet whale]

I will say this isn’t a great time for assassin pvp. For pve though the spec is good

[storm forum]

i think all 3 rogue specs are busto in pvp and all medium+ in pve

[balmy condor]

1v1 pvp

is crazy work

[fresh kelp]

outlaw doesnt have defensive cdr anymore

evasion is a 2min like the rest

[haughty flicker]

they feel tankier though

bc swords are bigger than daggers

therefore tankier

[fallow canopy]

big if true

[fleet whale]

Well, I may have been getting a bit ahead of myself regarding assassin pvp. It appears to be good in 2s and shuffle, but bad in 3s.

[severe meadow]

PvP in the big 2026

[thorn thorn]

bel

[haughty flicker]

[coral ibex]

[onyx rock]

stop_asking_me_faq_questions

[coral ibex]

thats a visual artifact

inconclusive

[onyx veldt]

@coral ibex