assassination

[lime edge]

Ive def taken aggro from tank when I pop cds

[waxen oyster]

what

[little tulip]

hold on im getting context

[waxen copper]

wdym getting aggro. every single pull starts with tricks of the trade.

[near valley]

would you be willing to talk to us tbf

[lime edge]

You think I have tricks up by the time I pop cds

[waxen copper]

no but you should have transferred enough threat to the tank to not care about it

[lime edge]

You would hope so

Assa doesnt do much dmg on the first 6 seconds

Dm + kb is giga dmg tho

[waxen copper]

yeah thats what i thought. haven't really tried it yet, as i specced from subt just today

[little tulip]

there's a whole bunch of this and another prot pal enjoyer saying you just die without frame perfect gameplay on prot pal right now

they both rerolled

it's doable but why would you do that to your afternoon ever

[near valley]

dw the other dps would have gained threat b4 u have

[waxen oyster]

yeah

same can be said about people who play rogue

rn

[waxen copper]

team up with hunters = profit

[lime edge]

Idk why guardian druids cant keep agro

What did they do

[near valley]

they do no dmg outside incarn

[little tulip]

bruh you're like a whole takeout meal deep dying cause the dps can't frame perfect a trash pack

[lime edge]

I see

[near valley]

hence u need to give them time to gain threat

[little tulip]

no one is getting on for that xD

[near valley]

or just tricks them i guess

[waxen oyster]

i know a guy who does

[little tulip]

i didn't play assa higher than a 14 last season

[waxen oyster]

same guy also refuses to acknowledge non shield tanks

as real tanks

alas

[little tulip]

that's funnier than i'm describing

same paladin lol

[waxen oyster]

honestly

guardian attracts the worst tank players

from my experience

outside of the few otps

who are really good at it

[little tulip]

maybe

[near valley]

u never truly realize how brave it is to talk in a class discord as a dev till you go to Outlaw chat after a major change

[little tulip]

i like guardian druids but they're more risk averse than other tanks for sure

[weary stump]

I blame the furries

[open mantle]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior is partly that way

especially if you get someone who says they've been playing warrior since vanilla

[little tulip]

ye i had to cut this dude loose but getting the cc chains right with a prot warrior is fun

i hate sending a kidney and getting 4 sec cause someone sent a leg sweep or whatever

[waxen oyster]

if i see someone playing a male human warrior with a nostalgia mog

chances im going to see a 1 pull pack divided into 3 expoentially multiplies

[little tulip]

that is the nice thing about rogue we work with all tanks

unless they do that thing you described lmao

[waxen oyster]

there is no difference with tanks as a dps

[little tulip]

ye i had a dumb joke but also omnicd was a good addon

[brazen halo]

Why is platynator recommended over plater?

[little tulip]

better out of the box experience

if you really want plater you can do a platynator clone with plater but it'll take an hour or so

[brazen halo]

No I don't particularly care which one I use, I just wanted to know why. Are the profilesfor platynator in the UI recommendations also useful for other classes/specs or really just Sin focused?

[little tulip]

plater has better pvp support in bgs/vaguely arenas is only reason to run it rn imo

no idea using plater /shrug

[scenic stratus]

when wox runs blindside/improved ambush does he still fok?

or do you just mutil/ambush spam

[coral ibex]

who knows what one guy does

you should ask him

you fok on 2 and 3 with blindside

[scenic stratus]

well hes like the rogue guy so id imagine people here might know what the one guy does

its not like some random dude lol

[trim cairn]

Tbh I wish they'd just change the 1 hour long Tricks of the Trade to be in the shared talent tree

It's hidden OP

Probs placebo but you almost never get targeted by boss mechanics

[coral ibex]

he's the rogue guy?

ive never read or watched anything about rogue created by him

[frigid lagoon]

is assa better for alleria boss dam?

[earnest pilot]

sin and sub are pretty close for alleria dmg

subs slightly ahead it looks like, but just play whatever ur best at

[fresh kelp]

wox is an outlaw otp who is sometimes temporarily caged on the dagger specs

[lime edge]

Truee

[reef flower]

Any good sin rogue to follow on YouTube or twitch? Self-promotion is fine

[normal mist]

Me!

But i don't like being followed

[spice spire]

Vhispyr is a good one

[viscid spear]

Quake is a goddamn vampire, whodathunkit

[tight compass]

anyone on Belo'ren with some insights they wanna share, will give assa a try before i submit to the meta and play sub

[old obsidian]

hold strong cd on egg, destroy egg in 1 try, pharse go up

[balmy condor]

1 phasing on mythic would be impressive to be fair

but yeah basically

issue is that sub does that but better

[viscid spear]

We don't have any real burst to speak of

[tight compass]

i told RL he told me to shut up :()

[proper rain]

ive crafted 2 pieces, do i spend myth crests on myth chest upgrades/puzzle box etc or do i craft another piece (without embellishment ofc)?

[coral ibex]

sim it

[viscid spear]

My RL doesn't really notice me

[sacred oyster]

you're getting 2-3 myths a week now, save it for upgrades wait until you see what you get in few days.

i regret crafting a third

[weary stump]

No regrets friend, you lost basically nothing considering everything this season

As just think, you could've been someone recrafting on patch day and losing all 80 crests to the void

[unreal wind]

wait they changed recrafting? do you get the crests back?

[spice surge]

No

[sacred oyster]

there was a bug that straight up deleted your crest for nothing in return with recrafting

[balmy condor]

And it affected like 10 people total

But it got fixed

[iron thorn]

bonusrolled the shitty one

BUT

[balmy condor]

Skill issue

[spice surge]

Also fwiw crafting doesnt waste any crests

[balmy condor]

Skill non-issue

[frosty cedar]

gotta beat 121k bro

[iron thorn]

i legit had one pull

where that would have been possible

BUUUUUT

[spice surge]

Unless youre getting items from later raid bosses which have 2/6 or higher, but bonus rolls and m+ vaults are all 1/6

[iron thorn]

we died

because other side clowned

[crystal heath]

Hello guys should we track the fatebound talent on assa? and how we manage it please ?

[rancid anvil]

is there a best fightstyle to sim for best gear for raiding? is it just patchwerk?

[viscid spear]

Just can't find me a stupid PoS key

[dawn seal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VFJPtvjMp3AL9N1Y?fight=16&type=damage-done&target=152&source=24 can someone check this and tell me if i am making rotational mistakes

i know my gear is absolute dog water

[desert tiger]

Can someone explain shadowmeld with assassination. Is this worth making a night elf for? Is there a combo with it? Is it truely a good way to re apply empowered gorrote?

[frosty cedar]

play mechagnome

[spice surge]

Nothing, it just passively happens

[spring stream]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[bronze panther]

feels bad 5th roll i got shit cloak from alguitar

pit dagger + ring
Alguiter hand + cloak + ring

[vale shore]

you are getting closer!

[sacred oyster]

oh right i didnt think about it like that. if ii get ring itll just be 20 crest to 289 it since other rings already 289 now

[analog field]

You waste 20 cause myth 1 to myth 2 is free at this point. Also craft is deterministic while bonus rolls not. So with the way the season went the best thing is to use bonus rolls and then craft or keep crests for upgrading these items

[balmy condor]

how is myth 1 to myth 2 free

[sacred oyster]

well its only free if you had 6/6 hero on that slot and i sure didnt on rings lol

[balmy condor]

going 6/6 hero for the upgrade I guess yeah

[spice surge]

Oh ye youre actually right

Im stupid, disregard. As the first upgrade is paid by hc crests

[bronze panther]

What do we do with hc crest at this point?

[sacred oyster]

are you fully done with hero pieces?

[bronze panther]

yah even have an extra hero dagger in bag , got myth one as offhand

extra hero crafted dagger

[analog field]

I kinda wasted some hero crests this season but I only need like 60 to be maxed out. And I also have like 100 myth at the moment waiting for vault and bonus rolls and then sending all

[sacred oyster]

i still got some hero upgrades to do but not much left. but you can upgrade them to mythic to get faster myth crests before you run weekly 10 keys. or downgrade to veteran to buy voidcores

[polar sail]

@balmy condor bro when class tunning

[sacred oyster]

whyd you craft an extra dagger vs just farming one lol

[balmy condor]

how would I know

[iron thorn]

go @ realz (don't do that)

[balmy condor]

he wouldn't know either

[bronze panther]

well i didnt know how the system worked thought i was doing heroic dagger then to myth dagger turned out i did a new myth one at the end so got an heroic one in bag

i had other Hc daggers but got myth pit this week

[frosty cedar]

i know

its this friday

[balmy condor]

possibly

or maybe it isn't

[frosty cedar]

i wrote them as well look forward to it

[balmy condor]

[sacred oyster]

so you crafted new for myth instead of recraft?

[bronze panther]

yes exactly but it makes no difference now i dont have use for hc crest

[sacred oyster]

well it was wasted sparks too but i guess now it also doesnt matter much there since were getting 2-3 myths a week crafting gears less important

[iron thorn]

mate i wasted sparks for ol weapon

[bronze panther]

dont need sparks now got crafted wrist and belt cant craft anything else

[sacred oyster]

whyd you craft belt

can drop bonus rolls on pit to get BIS belt

[bronze panther]

archon gg put it in bis i craft

[stuck lodge]

I mean, now you can lol

but for 4 weeks before this you couldnt

[sacred oyster]

well 4 weeks ago belts wasnt a high prio craft lol

was wep then bracers

[bronze panther]

well sadly blizzard didnt refund me 3 cores but only 2 i could roll only 5 times

[stuck lodge]

It was if it was the thing holding you back

[sacred oyster]

yeah but the belt was farmable just spam running pit

[bronze panther]

this week for sure pit neck and belt + wrist or belt

[stuck lodge]

after weapon and bracers you can do whatever

[bronze panther]

dont need dagger and ring is out of pool will put as outlaw

[balmy condor]

ain't no way bro is copying archon 💀

https://tenor.com/view/sheepdog-sheep-dog-blending-in-gif-25408874

[bronze panther]

https://tenor.com/view/mcmahon-crying-he-was-special-wwe-vince-mcmahon-gif-13313547165599993551

[stuck lodge]

haha yeah, not like me following wowhead at all

I'm an indepedent sheep

[balmy condor]

I mean wowhead is a guide, like guiding you

like giving you curated information

archon is literally just a popularity contest

[stuck lodge]

You are my shepard

i am shep

[balmy condor]

fucking scrapes the shit out of log data and spits it back out "this is most used thing in logs"

fucking brilliant

the hope is that it lines up with guides obviously

but then you get shit like eye of the eagle buff

guess what's bis to enchant your rings with

but will take literal weeks

if not months

to filter through to archon

[bronze panther]

eye of the eagle is not good? xD

[storm forum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[balmy condor]

it's insanely good

[stuck lodge]

wait archon isn't saying eyes of eagle?

[balmy condor]

it's twice as good as the next best

[sacred oyster]

you got other myth dagger? but neck great until you get a myth tier saladbar neck

[balmy condor]

it might

but like

who knows

[unique wigeon]

It does now but didn't at first

[balmy condor]

a lot of sub rerollers have haste enchants to hit the breakpoints

[sacred oyster]

i wanna know wtf was peoples build that eyes wasnt simming higher even before it got buffed

[balmy condor]

in the past that's also fucked assa stuff

[sacred oyster]

oh yeah i can see sub switchers screwing up archon data pool

[bronze panther]

When guild has it on farm im on bench

[desert tiger]

Can someone explain shadowmeld with assassination. Is this worth making a night elf for? Is there a combo with it? Is it truely a good way to re apply empowered garrote?

[balmy condor]

there was a patch where the sub rerolling was so bad archon was suggesting crit vers for assa

the stats actually got

so giga confused

[spice surge]

Despite every recommendation since the expanion came out recommending eagle

Even before the buffs

[storm forum]

it's thematic for fatebound cause it's like flipping a coin for if you get a restealth in m+ or not

[balmy condor]

you can't shadowmeld on bosses, you have to afk while shadowmeld goes off. There is no "combo" with it, it's awkward to use, doesn't work half the time, and generally isn't worth it in most situations

[sacred oyster]

i feel like if your gonna choose a race for combat benefits, panda seems like the strongest contender to have an always on damage increase (long as eating food)

[bronze panther]

The interface is much better looking than wowhead for the gear list

[desert tiger]

Okay ty

[dire flume]

hey chat ive become a mythic raider

[desert tiger]

Gratz welcome the the CE club

[stuck lodge]

isn't mechagnome also like giga good for racial

[balmy condor]

yeah but does it matter if it's telling you double crafted dagger is bis

[sacred oyster]

panda gets a +50/+65 AGI bonus from food

[storm forum]

if you get the restealth, it's a second charge of vanish on trash, if you don't, you get to flip again and sometimes it's +2 combo points from shrouded suffocation

[balmy condor]

the UI is really pretty

but if it's straight misinfo

who fucking cares

the bis stuff especially pisses me off

cause it hooks up to wowhead's bis list

and I do NOT say to craft two daggers

crafting two daggers is a horrid mistake

[stuck lodge]

I want to feel like I am hacking the source code to find information, where is wowheads 90's matrix green text option

[balmy condor]

and yet archon slaps bis on it

because it's the most used

and it's bis in a weapon slot

doesn't matter which

[sacred oyster]

dagger is kind of a special situation is why its doing that though, the label is saying rogues want this, but the data set gets confused because it is used in alternating setups. theyd have to present the data in "popular combinations" instead

[marble hemlock]

are you telling me "most popular" and "best" are not synonyms?

here i thought mcdonalds is the best food in the world

[bronze panther]

I get a full gear list i can target it makes gearing easier in general

[static glacier]

Sounds like it’s not his for you, it is for me on my personalised archon list

[sharp viper]

[marble hemlock]

the problem is that theres often multiple, if not dozens of combinations of items that all sim within margin of error, depending on what items you get at myth track etc.

so the items you should target, arent necessarily the same as someone elses.

[pine cliff]

Anyone else have low ST damage? Seems like assassin should be decent ahbce your just dropping bleeds

[sharp viper]

[storm forum]

This week I felt like my damage was low, but I was also playing like dog shit so like

[sharp viper]

must be the spec

[bronze panther]

I use claude to help

[sacred oyster]

if you have low ST dmg then you are doing something wrong

[marble hemlock]

[sharp viper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jebaited-low-quality-bait--k01KQ8ASFNW07FZSBA2J4GRF0DF

[pine cliff]

Agree I think it’s a me problem

[balmy condor]

claude and archon to have a gear list to target

[pine cliff]

Just checking

[balmy condor]

yeah I think maybe this earth needs to be purged

humanity has gone too far

[bronze panther]

The guide on wowheads are also confusing sometimes maybe its me

Assasination one is clear but sub one i will have to put through claude tomorrow before raid

[marble hemlock]

at that point, if youre already using 2 separate robots in archon and claude to help you make gearing decisions, you might as well just spend 10-15 minutes to learn how to sim yourself, and let a robot do it that might actually give you good information

[onyx veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/642466032983867392/1457573213813866700/CAILLOU_RODAVE.gif

[bronze panther]

Nees to use the sub i pay on claude

Need

[marble hemlock]

raidbots is free

[lime edge]

Free raidbots sucks

[balmy condor]

claude, sim this gear set from archon on raidbots for me

[royal lantern]

claude here, use DN

[bronze panther]

Yeah but you spend time i ask claude what to do.

[marble hemlock]

claude, sim this gear set from archon on raidbots for me
while telling me how to ragebait on the rogue discord

[drifting cloud]

yeah and then youre telling everyone here you dont understand the basics, maybe you should ask claude for that aswell

[royal lantern]

there was a guy on the subreddit today telling people to just sim their stuff, and then got told by everyone there "just copy top stuff from archon, sims are not accurate because they only show you the best gear when you dont have movement"

[marble hemlock]

i worry you're beyond our ability to help at that point. its like asking how to get a nail into the wall, and we tell you to use a hammer, while youve been glueing a piece of flat cardboard to it instead and then smashed that cardboard with a spoon to try and get it into the wall

[royal lantern]

[sacred oyster]

wonder if claude can help solve how to make the AI bubble pop faster

[marble hemlock]

theres a right tool, and theres wrong tools to use

[spice surge]

Arguably makes it harder too. As instead of going "ok i got a pair of boots now lets try to grind for a belt" youre stuck grinding for a specific set of boots that probably sim the exact same because the bis list told you its better

[viscid spear]

[drifting cloud]

why did you steal shaggies pants

[marble hemlock]

the fight against data aggregation is a frustrating one (and its almost impossible to win). its very sad.

[spice surge]

Wasnt me

[stuck lodge]

gratz

[balmy condor]

yeah but the MAU metrics go up for blizzard. Archon changes gear sets and he gets to farm more shit

[quiet star]

crazy 0.3% talent I guess

[balmy condor]

its the perfect crime

[bronze panther]

Im sorry if i was not explaining well i learned how to sim like the basic sims

[balmy condor]

the vast majority of the talent is in applying more poisons btw

[bronze panther]

I have difficulty to read it and to understand some other functions

[sacred oyster]

@bronze panther just run Droptimizer on Raidbots set to Myth 10, target dungeon prio 1 until you get an upgrade, rerun it every time you get an ugprade.

[marble hemlock]

its really quite simple

• want to know what to enchant/gem/get from vault? use top gear
• want to know what to spend your limited time on farming? use droptimizer

[royal lantern]

it triggers other stuff

[bronze panther]

Let me go on and sim and raidbot ill put question i have difficulty with here

[quiet star]

oh I see, thx

[marble hemlock]

its gonna serve you much better than trying to copy what other people are doing for XYZ reason.

[bronze panther]

Let me put those questions brb

[lime edge]

Droptimizer doesn't work with sets tho right

[sacred oyster]

it does

there is a checkbox for catalyst

[balmy condor]

"work with sets"

[lime edge]

I mean ring sets

[balmy condor]

for what

oh

yeah dw, the ring set sucks

[normal mist]

It does

[balmy condor]

[lime edge]

The ring set is bis for me

[drifting cloud]

MUST FARM NEXUS 50 TIMES FOR 0.3% RING SET

[lime edge]

[royal lantern]

like, gotta remember

it also means more weapon poison applications, aka your deadly/amp poison dmg is highher

if those applications crit its a little bit energy from dashing

[balmy condor]

it won't be eventually

[royal lantern]

its not just the dmg of the talent itself

[balmy condor]

[sacred oyster]

0.1% vs Platinum iirc lol.

[lime edge]

Its a much bigger difference for me

For dslice

[balmy condor]

-0.2% for me I've achieved freedom

yeh I mean ring set is actually atrocious in dslice

[royal lantern]

hey the void ring is good for me

cus its so crit/haste heavy

[lime edge]

No i mean its better

[balmy condor]

?????

[buoyant mortar]

They haven't fixed the Internal bleeding being spread by CT yet have they?

[marble hemlock]

did you sim that, or did you ask claude to ask archon to data aggregate this?

[balmy condor]

no

[lime edge]

Yes I simmed smh

[sacred oyster]

now, you should def target void ring if you dont do myth raiding. it is best for non raid tier rings. i got lucky and got it in vault though so i dont need to bonus roll there.

[lime edge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85XG6VvjCYKNhoyx13g3vx

[sacred oyster]

dropping my bonus on AA next week for PB/Plat ring

[spice surge]

I dont think they will, it seems intended to me

[lime edge]

Its telling me to go for mythic void ring

Vs platinum

[sacred oyster]

plat is 0.4% upgrade vs my crafted ring though so im not gonna 'go' for it, but if i get it, it wouldnt be bad.

[lime edge]

0.5% diff

[royal lantern]

the ring has good stats

[sharp viper]

#assassination on yet another give-whispyr-aneurysm any% speedrun

[sacred oyster]

yes voids better, plat is the 2nd ring choice for non myth tier rings

[lime edge]

I already have the crit haste one myth

[balmy condor]

yeh that's whacko idk

[lime edge]

Its talking about the other

[balmy condor]

good luck with taht one buddy

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

hope you get cured soon

ring set giga donkey shit

[royal lantern]

yeha, and if you use puzzlebox, mastery is "losing" a bit of value, so your gear overall trying to go very hasste and crit heavy is kinda normal

[lime edge]

Yes but the other ring is haste mastery

And its preferring it over platinum star band is what I mean

[royal lantern]

then use it + platinum??

[lime edge]

Bro

U are not reading

[sacred oyster]

use w/e the hell sim says is best out of what you have for targeted playstyle (DS/Raid etc)

[royal lantern]

no

i play wow

i ping mods and copy paste datascraping websites

and if my parses are low, i blame whisp

[loud light]

or bugs

or blame him for bugs

[royal lantern]

yeha, he didnt fix them allready

[vast shuttle]

u choose raid build and patchwerk too see single target dps?

or raid dps

[balmy condor]

well you don't really "see dps"

that's not really how sims work

but yes, we use patchwerk 1t 5min to compare gear for raid

[trim cairn]

They work with black magic and I refuse to believe otherwise

https://tenor.com/view/montypython-witch-burnthewitch-gif-5477103

[real pike]

She turned me into a newt!

[sharp viper]

as is tradition

[half egret]

did my 2 PoS bonus rolls and got the 2 worst items for us 🙂 cape and legs

[royal lantern]

did you allready have mythic items on those slots

[half egret]

nope, both were hero

[sacred oyster]

man i didnt think there was mastery gear in that lol. forgot about those. and hey the AA Cape is worse than that one, which is what i got on my 4th bonus roll. But guess i cant complain it was a free roll

[royal lantern]

2 free mythic items 🤷‍♂️

[lime edge]

I got useless item from algethar

[sacred oyster]

well issue is the 6/6 hero cape is better than the 1/6 myth cape and sure as hell not putting myth crests into a crap item to upgrade it.

[half egret]

yeah im not putting myth crests on that dogshit cape lmao

[analog field]

you mean 2/6?

[sacred oyster]

who the hell has 2/6 hero gear

[lime edge]

6/6 hero gives u 2/6 myth

[analog field]

myth 2/6 is free if you have hero 6/6

[sacred oyster]

oh right, well yeah, ok 6/6 hero still better than 2/6 myth

[trim cairn]

Is there some fuckery with M+ parsing? Because how can 90% of people queuing for my keys be grey parsers across the board

[analog field]

also there are no 2 capes simming more than 0.3 apart

maybe 0.5

totally irrelevant on stats

[sacred oyster]

yeah but ultimately its not an immediate upgrade, maybe in 3-4 weeks if didnt get another cape then could use it

[lime edge]

What parses are u looking at

[analog field]

depends on the crests you can use obviously

[trim cairn]

Dps by level

[analog field]

but in general no cape would be worth it or an upgrade

[sacred oyster]

im holding my crests for when i get myth chest/head/another trinket

[royal lantern]

nobody parses m+

[analog field]

simming 0.2 higher is not upgrade

[royal lantern]

cus m+ parsing is something you cant really do

[trim cairn]

I know, but there is actually a 100% correlation between people with 50 grey logs and them performing like ass

Before I started checking logs

[analog field]

Holding crests if you are not progging mythic raid is not very beneficial

[trim cairn]

I kept having 280+ ilvl people coming in keys doing 80k overall dps

[lime edge]

80k

[sacred oyster]

yes it is, why would i dump it on a shit item, then next week get 2 good items to spend it on, but be sitting there out of crests and at cap unable to get more.

its 24 hrs until 3 new mythics

[lime edge]

Im just spending them

It doesnt matter tbh

Ur gonna be full mythic 6/6 in like 2 weeks

[waxen oyster]

check the mog

[sacred oyster]

if someone got super lucky maybe lol, 4 weeks safer estimate

[waxen oyster]

i need 380 to 6/6 all my gear

of the 5 in bags

and missing like 2 other slots after that

[lime edge]

I mean

Are u doing 6/6 hero on stuff

That would add up per week too

Saves u 1 upgrade

[waxen oyster]

yeah

thats factoring that in

[rustic cosmos]

Me as only m+ player i will be full in like month or two

[analog field]

what content you are doing that needs it? Also having higher ilvl is more important for pugging

[waxen oyster]

i'd sooner quit than play this game to pug

ngl

[acoustic roost]

Only way you are close to mythic gear capping is if you’re clearing bosses that drop 4/6 myth gear. Other than that I think we’re at a 400myth crest cap atm which is 20 upgrades. Not enough to 6/6 everything

[sacred oyster]

0.5-1 ilvl is not gonna make a difference in pugging.

[acoustic roost]

Getting in to pugs

[waxen oyster]

i think i need close to 600 to max everything

still

unless i get 4/6 pulls

yeah

[analog field]

neither will 1% dmg

[waxen oyster]

if you did splits you're closer to 284

[analog field]

1 ilvl pugging is way more than 5% dps

[waxen oyster]

though might not have 282 vaults since the better guilds typically bench rogue for cosmos

[royal lantern]

if you did splits, you need professional help

[sacred oyster]

except im not going to do something that is dumb and inefficient to make no positive impact to my gameplay. I am going to do whats most efficient.

[analog field]

it is not inefficient

it is exactly the same crests

[waxen oyster]

if i did splits tier better be over

already

otherwise waste of time

[analog field]

and you get the damage now and not waiting for one week or more

Let's say you get 2% increase next week but you could have 1% this week so why is it a gain?

[sacred oyster]

its not a week. I lot of times dont finish my keys/weekly 10s until the weekend. I much rather see what I get tomorrow THEN dump all my crests into whatever makes the most sense for biggest gains, such as chest/head (I've got legs capped already)

[waxen oyster]

also pugging on rogue

sounds like a total meme

[royal lantern]

wdym

no FotM class

no BL

no CR

[waxen oyster]

also midnight rogue

is just boring to me

personally

[sacred oyster]

can put drums in note lol but prob wouldnt be read (i swear i repled to BL line but it must have shifted)

[waxen oyster]

outlaw is somehow the only spec with some depth

rn

[analog field]

no spec has depth now apart from like 3. it is not a rogue issue

[sacred oyster]

i do get invited though its just yea lots of time spent. but if you really wanna just run shit just run your own key.

[waxen oyster]

devourer

midnight sub is one of the most boring iterations

of the spec i've played

[fallow canopy]

Real

[waxen oyster]

cant dry shiv as sin anymore either

smh

[fallow canopy]

Honestly I think the tier has warped my perception but the game feels very meh rn

[waxen oyster]

yeah

i was bored week 2

[sacred oyster]

im ready to go back to survival games or FF14 now honestly lol

[waxen oyster]

already

[sacred oyster]

but my dumbass bought 6 mo sub

[fallow canopy]

Maybe my honeymoon phase its over

Or maybe being afk on beloren its already getting to me

[lime edge]

Im about to hop on bdo

Or gw2

Or maplestory

[waxen oyster]

it doesnt help that

the people in vault keys are

a special type of

....slow

[sacred oyster]

i like story in my rpg and while WoW has def gotten way better than it was, its still no FF14

[waxen oyster]

wow story never made sense

[buoyant herald]

gotta do 14s to get above the window lickers now

[waxen oyster]

they make the game easier and window lickers find a way

[lime edge]

I skip every cutscene

[rustic cosmos]

Lickers are doing 16s for achiev

[waxen oyster]

Before the oldschool boomers harp on about

"Arthas my son"

so deep

guy gets packed by his edgy kid prince

💀

[buoyant herald]

until you get to the top of keys, time investment really is a stronger factor than ability

[waxen oyster]

oh and a nelf guy who started drinking demon koolaid

because girl he was into smashed his brother

womp womp

[waxen oyster]

even then

i would say

just slipped into title range players are

not that good

[balmy condor]

a lot of high end pushing is just bashing your head into a key until it clears tbh

people really underestimate the time investment it takes to do m+ at a competitive level

you gotta no life that shit

[lime edge]

Resilience is kinda dumb

[waxen oyster]

well yeah

[lime edge]

Did they add that in tww or midnight

[waxen oyster]

even pvpers lose rating if they play bad

m+ all you got to do is keep trying

also being a lootcouncil and watching m+ers leave notes

instant bin that note

[analog field]

It's the same with raid

Why doesn't raid after 100 deaths reset?

[waxen oyster]

well if you chain wipe in raid

you get lower rank prog

[analog field]

in PvP it's logical to have reductions

[waxen oyster]

or you could do the private logger special

[analog field]

Your rank is not affected

[waxen oyster]

of just OT

[analog field]

Because you wiped

[waxen oyster]

your rank is 100% affected if you spend 100 pulls instead of 30

on a boss

what

[analog field]

No your rank is not affected by your wipes

[desert crest]

He is saying that rank is based of time not wipes

[analog field]

It is affected cause other guilds surpass you

it is a different thing

[desert crest]

It is very stupid conversation

[analog field]

So I raid on Thursdays, my guild ranks are 100 places lower

[waxen oyster]

if another guild raids thursdays you pass them if you're more efficient in prog

assuming same hours

[analog field]

Yeah but I lose from the Wednesday ones which are many more

[desert crest]

That is the point you can't assume that can you

[analog field]

so I could have like 100-200 positions if I raided too

[waxen oyster]

well private logs always exist

alot use them to OT

xd

[upper spear]

i pug 18s 19s, its just me spam queuing the same key till you find a tank that doesnt dash during the 1st pull in Seat, or DPS who ass pull in Nexus Point.

[analog field]

Also I could raid Wednesday morning and earn 100 positions

[waxen oyster]

personally i dont think you should be able to pug to title

[upper spear]

u kinda cant

[waxen oyster]

pvpers cant get r1 without a dedicated team

usually

[analog field]

Many people get high on PvP without team

[waxen oyster]

yeah eventually you kind of have to know people

since the pool shrinks alot

[analog field]

Also if you are a good player you should be able to get title

[waxen oyster]

r1 pvp means 3v3

[analog field]

you are saying that the best rogue in the world for example should not be able to get title?

[upper spear]

all the ppl i know in title range are on teams, I dont really see a way you can purely pug to 0.1%

[analog field]

If you put 5 good players in a team ( in every game - sport) they should be able to play really well

[waxen oyster]

its not possible yeah you eventually reach a point where only 3-4 tanks are competent enough

to not brick first pull etc

[royal lantern]

the "best rogue in the world" is not some fucking Pug andy

[analog field]

Let's say he starts pugging

[upper spear]

all the best people in the world are going to play together in comms, and you will simply get out performed by them. Theres like what, 800 spots in title?

[analog field]

also zerocool for example is semi pugging

[royal lantern]

quake doesnt pug

checkmate

[analog field]

there were many people in the last 2 seasons pugging

[waxen oyster]

at the highest level its not really pugging maybe playing with the same 3-4 teams

[haughty flicker]

I mean i only watch lol esports but dream teams like this fail all the time

[upper spear]

pugging here and there is way different than full time pugging

[royal lantern]

thats often waved aside

[analog field]

Yes if you compare them to other such teams,

[haughty flicker]

5 of the best players in the league and they go 6th

[royal lantern]

the "high end" pugging is "the same handfull people randomly do stuff togheter because they are the only guys up there"

[analog field]

Yeah but there are no "serious teams" getting title

no serious team in EU and US are tryharding keys

they are doing it more out of enjoyment than anything else

[waxen oyster]

the really good teams

[upper spear]

that seams too broad to be true

[waxen oyster]

get it without having to "push" for it

[analog field]

I mean the MDI teams

don't even get title half of the times

cause they CBA play

[waxen oyster]

ik pvp theres a meme

[royal lantern]

because turns out

having a team full of "solo super stars" doesnt help against groups that coordinate better trought playing togheter more often

[waxen oyster]

where all the tourney teams dont play

until the last 2 weeks

to make sure they reach qualification

[thorn thorn]

:graf

[haughty flicker]

:graf

[waxen oyster]

also solo super stars

[royal lantern]

farg:

[waxen oyster]

fails to account some of them likely have

personality conflicts

[royal lantern]

oh yeha, thats a HUGE thing aswell

[analog field]

Yes but you have to compare them to similar levels players

[royal lantern]

espacially when many "solo super starss" tend to develop a huge ego

[analog field]

title is not that high

[waxen oyster]

god i still remember

the "nonverbal" drama

over one missed sweep

[analog field]

I know people that get title and are like mediocre in the game

[waxen oyster]

@df s2 aug players

[royal lantern]

ultimately m+ allows failing upwards

[royal lantern]

@midnight s1 aug players

[waxen oyster]

@df s3 vdh players

[analog field]

I think that this is not the main issue. It is more like that few people want to get title

So the cutoff is low

compared to where it should be

[royal lantern]

like, you literally can get REALLY high in m+ just by spamming keys 24/7

[analog field]

if all top players were trying

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/emilia-gif-1259072752525653745

[royal lantern]

ruin 30 runs cus you are not good enough

[balmy condor]

IM GOING VERBAL

I AM A YAPPER

[royal lantern]

time run #31

[waxen oyster]

resil made it a bigger joke

[royal lantern]

go on social media and say "as the rank1 "spec" my opinion is....."

[analog field]

Half of team liquid are not even doing m+

[waxen oyster]

because they know io doesnt mean shit

[analog field]

like you are missing 50% of the top players

yeah I agree

that's why title is low and puggable

[waxen oyster]

those guys can get title a random afternoon

[analog field]

cause half of the player pool is missing

[waxen oyster]

yapping about bullshit

[upper spear]

Aug players are either literal gods or boosted chimps, there is no inbetween

[royal lantern]

its 99,9999% boosted chimps

i have never seen a single actually good aug

[waxen oyster]

even worse now

that details gives terrible info

and you gott to dig into logs

[upper spear]

tbf im friends with the NA#1 Aug rn, and hes a freak of nature

then i played with a streamer "carrying for vault" on my alt and i wanted to rip my eyes out

[royal lantern]

the average 3,6k score aug right now is like

"oh look, we finished this trashpack and only 2 enemys are alive at 8% hp"

BREATH OF EONS

[waxen oyster]

playing with the average pug aug

is basically playing 2 dps key

i've had pug augs in tww

swear i get more from having shaman buff

than the aug exissting

[analog field]

I met an aug which in details I was like 200k the other DPS another 200 and him 100k

It was the first and last time I saw anything like this

This guy had more DPS than other normal dos you meet in keys

[waxen oyster]

tbh i know some people

who refuse to play it since

perma lizard form

[upper spear]

based

if the vibes arent right does ur DPS even matter

lets be real

[royal lantern]

excuses

those same mfs rerolled dwarf the second some shity tierlist told them its broken

[onyx veldt]

IS AUG FUN

[waxen oyster]

reroll dwarf

[onyx veldt]

I NEED FUN

[waxen oyster]

"i dont mind how it looks"

[balmy condor]

archon tell me what best race is

[waxen oyster]

perma using toys to not be a dwarf

[royal lantern]

ye

[onyx veldt]

orc

[royal lantern]

🦊

[balmy condor]

thank you anakinarchon

[loud light]

pangolin

[onyx veldt]

LMAO

[orchid forge]

Hi everyone, can I ask a quick question around Implacable? we just get to 80 and then do nothing till it falls off then start hitting envenom again?

[waxen oyster]

Just think how many power plants were forced to run

to tell you some garbage about what talents streamers play

[royal lantern]

you let it drop if it doesnt result in you capping energy

and during Deathmark you just ignore it and keep slamming

[orchid forge]

I just feel energy starved all the time no matter what

[waxen oyster]

yeah thats assa

its intended

[orchid forge]

ok so i'm not alone

ok

[balmy condor]

yeh

that's the intended design of the spec

[orchid forge]

like I just did a 13 w/ a fire mage and a devour DH and I feel like they blow me out of the water w/ damage

[slim pebble]

Letting envenom fall off makes me feel like I’m playing the game wrong and I hate it

[royal lantern]

but make sure you have poisons applied

[waxen oyster]

its not classic bad where you can make a sandwich

in between autos

[orchid forge]

but i'm keeping garrote, and rupture up, and just slamming envenmon

[waxen oyster]

isnt fire bad

or are mages gaslamping

again

probably gaslamp

[royal lantern]

our highest score guy in the guild is fire only

tbh, he got that score by slamming keys for 18 hours a day

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.................

[onyx veldt]

idk this youtube tier list tells me mages are bad

[waxen oyster]

have you recommended him

to take a shower

[royal lantern]

its a mage

they iceblock the water

while complaining about not having deffensives

[orchid forge]

oh one more question, is everyone hitting envenom at 5 or are you pushing to 7 every time?

[royal lantern]

5+ cp = finisher

[orchid forge]

do I just envenom at 5 for fatebound and if I get 7 then cool?

[balmy condor]

5 on all finsihers

[royal lantern]

if you play sub its 6+

if you play outlaw idk, get professional help

[balmy condor]

outlaw is also 6+

dispatch at 5+ if you're fatebound

[orchid forge]

so 5 min sometimes I hit 7 b/c I hadn't hit 5 yet

[balmy condor]

correct

[orchid forge]

obvi thats ok right?

ok

[royal lantern]

if 5 cp -> finisher

[orchid forge]

thanks guys, appreciate it.

[junior yoke]

it's normal that out of cds I almost neverr 50 stack kingsbane?

[quiet star]

sorry for another dumb question, I guess envenom should be higher in dps list?

[junior yoke]

I end up between 38-44

[orchid forge]

And in an AOE pack, you're hitting CT so bleeds are on everyone

[royal lantern]

its rng

[fallow canopy]

yep dw

[royal lantern]

get more poison applications bozo

[orchid forge]

i'm thining of pull 1 in academy, i'm just hitting CT then envenmon over and over to apply

[royal lantern]

correct

[junior yoke]

okay, I was thinking I was doing something wrong

ty

[spice surge]

It is normal, but also not something you need to track or care about

[royal lantern]

CT until everything worthwhile has bleeds, then you FoK instead

[royal lantern]

try to have a 100% uptime on envenom during kingsbane

which like, happens by itself really

[bronze panther]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9FtcCDL51QRway4a81U5hp

This is the sim

my main question i have difficulty with king

1 - how do i find what gear i need to upgrade
2- why does it put draught potion as better than light potion?
3- What stats does it tell me to get i cant see where.

[royal lantern]

thats it, cant influence it more

[junior yoke]

I do, just for that I was worrying

thank u verry much guys

❤️

[royal lantern]

yeha then its just "Proc more poisons loser"

[junior yoke]

aahahah yeah I see

that's bad

[royal lantern]

try having better rng

[fallow canopy]

the kb with dm will basically cap itself in like 2 seconds and the dry one will limp its way to 50 so it doesn't matter as long as you are playing correctly

[junior yoke]

that's a difficult one

[spice surge]

1. Topgear and/or Droptimizer
2. Draught gives more agility, but spawns a bunch of void zones that silence you that the sim isnt considering
3. Not something thats very relevant

[junior yoke]

yeah exactly, the bad part is out of DM

[balmy condor]

looks fine

[royal lantern]

the non-dm kingsbane is not really a big deal anyway

just press it and let it happen

[bronze panther]

i am looking at Topgear at the moment
why is 3 not relevant? I thought sim would say how much dps would change if my stats vary

[spice surge]

Because topgear and droptimizer already tells you what gear you should get

[bronze panther]

back in my days there was only 1 set of gear now i have 5 pants

[spice surge]

So an approximation of how much a stat gives is pointless when you can just get an exact answer

[waxen oyster]

because you're overcomplicating gear

[spice surge]

90%+ of cases its just equiping the highest ilvl, besides trinkets

[waxen oyster]

^

[bronze panther]

you are right i need to spend more time on rotation

Topgear does not work it just runs another sim for some reason

[spice surge]

Top gear is a sim

It sims your gear

[bronze panther]

i want to know what to get next

[spice surge]

Droptimizer

[bronze panther]

let me try this thanks champ

[spice surge]

and/or manually add those items into topgear

But also the reason "there was only 1 set of gear" back in the day was because you had one set of pants from 1 of the dungeon randomly give 20% more stats than the other ones, so you obviously wanted those

Now everyhting is normalized so its mostly just ilvl

[bronze panther]

Thanks champ learned a big thing today

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7oac1QyynHhTTiUUhnRvSG

Now i know what to get been wasting cores in alguitar

[acoustic roost]

Change the gear to 6/6 mythic

There’s a drop down for it just above the gear list before simming

[bronze panther]

Let me try that

This weekend i will learn assasination rotation i dont know it yet only playing sub. Is it better at damage since new patch?

[sudden grotto]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4JLyR5NaakWhH779aGk1Fa
this is yours, theres a dropdown at the top under "Season 1 Raids" that you shoulda changed

[bronze panther]

Thanks champ with this im all set. Now i go to sub channel for rotation the wowhead guide is confusing there

[gloomy sail]

ok i have a question how tf do i manage my energy i run out in like 10-20 sec

[bitter magnet]

!sheet

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[potent sable]

Make sure your talents are correct

[fleet pagoda]

Make sure you have applied your poisons

[gloomy sail]

i tried like 4 diffrent specs from wow head max roll or high rated m+ players on assa

is assa worth it in low low keys ?

[severe meadow]

It’s fine in low keys, prio mobs just evaporate when you send CDs into them

[trim cairn]

Just go Sudden Demise and blast

Is a 0 parse like actually the singular worst parse?

[plucky mica]

My souvenir from this evening, having died a number of times to a lack of health being granted back to me 😂 made the other two dps I was running with chuckle at least

[stuck lodge]

if we keep sandbagging keys surely we will get another aura buff

[plucky mica]

The pesky roge

That was after the shammy died 3 times in 9 seconds on the first boss in SR 😂 he was being a cheeky boi

[bitter solar]

We're already hiding our poison bomb damage

[haughty flicker]

we need to sandbag harder

[storm forum]

I sandbag all day every day

That's why I don't have 100 parses

Definitely the sandbagging

And not any other reasons

[plucky mica]

It’s why I bring a friendly frost mage with me, I just want a participation trophy

[quiet star]

Just realized that assa is the lowest simed spec

[balmy condor]

The dungeonslice sims also dont have scaled up weapons

So

That’s would be why

But in general assa sims lower, even when it’s stronger

Been that way for a decade at this point

[marsh fjord]

Time to bump up the APL by other 50% bro

[balmy condor]

Real

[spice surge]

I have the hidden 0.4% higher APL tech, very very impactful

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[spice spire]

Refresh bleeds at 3.6 seconds exactly?

[spice surge]

6.7 actually

[quiet star]

Didn't know really

[spice spire]

I’m sliming you twin

[coral ibex]

add 5% flat aura buff to sims and call it the handwave factor

[balmy condor]

Yeah, it’s one of the downsides of simming the same fight types across multiple specs

Like dungeonslice has traditionally always been insano good for outlaw

Because the consistent damage is really good for it, and there’s infinite uptime

So you don’t get any weird situations where cds don’t last long enough or like sub burst gets slammed into a pack of 2 mobs

That sort of thing

[spice surge]

Or even worse stuff like send dance+sectech here then you will not have it up 30s later without delaying when adds spawn because it gets all desynced

[storm forum]

We need an MDI dslice which is just dslice, but it starts with a 1 minute 35 target pull

Or maybe 5 target 30 add cleave is better?

[trim cairn]

Better to just look at this I think https://www.archon.gg/wow/tier-list/dps-rankings/mythic-plus/high-keys/all-dungeons/this-week

[royal hazel]

Fok feels kinda shit on the dragons fight when just 2 targets, slow cp generate wise. Any tips from the esteemed ?

[trim cairn]

@balmy condor How much of the dps from DtB comes from Dashing Scoundrel energy refund?

Oh nvm its 2 am that explains why I am randomly starting to overcook talent builds

[green silo]

implacable tracking fixed? I see two buffs in CDM now

[spice surge]

yes

[sick sail]

damn hate that sub is so low there

i’m collecting all the bis for assa and outlaw

[rain schooner]

Hi all, new to rogue, coming from MW healing.

QQ, I'm leveling Assa Rogue in TW and I'm noticing that CT doesn't seem to spread in large packs. I thought it was a UI issue, but even my dmg is super low. I see it on the training dummies, but in dungeons it seems bugged? Checking to see if that's a thing.

[spice surge]

As in it never spreads your dots to any target?

[rain schooner]

Right.

I mean ill see like 1 other target maybe, but usually you can just throw both bleeds onto one target that hit it a 2/3 times right?

[spice surge]

If you are sure you have bleeds up on one target and then pressed CT and hit other enemies that sounds like it might be some timewalking issue, as its working on max level dungeons

[rain schooner]

So do you typically apply both to a target and the CT that same target a couple of times? Or do i need to tab around?

[spice surge]

You do not need to tab around

[rain schooner]

Got it, maybe it was a TW thing, thanks.

[lime edge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHXCuRuBNjY

281

aug op

[coral ibex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1372158613312897036/1376317636249518170/speechmeme.com_25_05_2025_23_54_45.gif

[lime edge]

wait is that him

[balmy condor]

Yes

[polar sail]

@balmy condor are you kidding me

[balmy condor]

What now

[polar sail]

When class tuning

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[balmy condor]

Stop fucking pinging me man

[polar sail]

😂😂😂

[haughty flicker]

do i play new d4 expansion

[coral ibex]

so does the new implacable thing work

[cloud dune]

No

[haughty flicker]

ok uninstalling

[indigo mulch]

?

[balmy condor]

Yes

[coral ibex]

finally

[worn geyser]

new implacable thing?

[fallow canopy]

it works on the cdm

they separated the buffs

I think

[stiff current]

yeah it's two different buffs finally

[worn geyser]

oh thats dope

[spring creek]

hey quick question ever since the new expansion came out i've only been using these 4 poisons every single time, am i a stupid idiot for doing so?

im far too stupid to think abt stuff like that

[hard grail]

Can you check in logs how much damage was reduced by atrophic poison?

[stuck lodge]

does anyone have any idea as to why my Shift 8 keybind is just now randomly causing me to run forward?

[zinc frost]

Big W

[acoustic roost]

in raid you run atrophic poison instead of mindnumbing poison. its a choice node in the class tree.

it's our "raid buff" T_T

[main blaze]

+some% buff right there

[warped moon]

idk i dont like crippling poison most of the time

for poisons i usually do instant amp?, deadly and hot topic

crippling by request

tank request, anyway

[celest ruin]

you should never use instant

[warped moon]

oh right not instant i think its amp or something

the black lotus one

[kindred flare]

Can we properly track implacable with the blizz cd tracker now?

[warped moon]

yes

[kindred flare]

Thank you chef

[warped moon]

yw gl

[kindred flare]

I love your dollhouse btw

[warped moon]

idk wwhat thst means

[coral ibex]

ME BOSS

[main blaze]

Yeah thats one fire dollhouse

[main blaze]

Dont keep your dollhouse to yourself

[warped moon]

is this a new 6 7 or something

[severe meadow]

[warped moon]

i finished the new voidfang set and i like it more than bloodfang

it is really cute

keeping the eyes red was a nice touch

oh i forgot i can do weapons on the back now..

[coral ibex]

we go

to the bird

[fallow canopy]

grats 🔥

[warped moon]

friend of the grummles huge

[coral ibex]

lmao

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ABHpTgrRPbCY86GJ?fight=27&type=damage-done

pretty dece

[buoyant flame]

Hey guys with mythic vaelgor fight, when the adds pop up how many tempest do you use? Before I spread dots they die so quickly

[cunning needle]

holy shit assi rogue is saved

[warped moon]

do we like deathstalkers mark noww

[severe meadow]

no

[haughty flicker]

at least theres a button to put where shiv was now

[near valley]

jokes on u I still bind shiv

[plain thistle]

holy shit we killed alleria in my worst try, literally every obelisk was on me

on p2

[buoyant herald]

if only we didn't have 4 new active abilities

[plain thistle]

at least its dead

[sweet hemlock]

what did he mean by this

[haughty flicker]

if we're gonna ai generate cats can they at least be funny ones

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240514620771401768/1243130378256908308/ess84.gif

[haughty flicker]

https://klipy.com/gifs/povjisoo-cat-tiktok-dancing--k01KQ910VJFXS8T95YRC4GYSRNP

[haughty flicker]

how get tiny

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240514620771401768/1243130378256908308/ess84.gif?ex=69f123a2&is=69efd222&hm=f325e1c39909b3dadd03d8cb50e0a9b549927b1b30c16a03775d573785649dda&

ok good

[knotty vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/sanae-kochiya-touhou-frogs-miracles-emotional-gif-2880155193418112042

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-cooked-hes-cooked-you're-cooked-ur-cooked-gif-6506674444416174542

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-ai-pufferfish-cat-puffer-fish-ai-pufferfish-cat-ai-ai-gif-3219711934296360561

[indigo mulch]

I like that this is what we're using all the electricity for those data centers 😄

[balmy condor]

Implacable Hotfixed in CDM

The Implacable tracking is now ACTUALLY fixed, with two icons and two buffs you can add to your cdm, one for the stacks, one for the energy buff after.

If you are using addons that overwrite your cdm then idk, go check that and make sure you do what you need to do I guess

[shy creek]

rogue win!

[indigo mulch]

Its nice.

Is this in rn btw?

[fallow canopy]

yes

[storm forum]

Hey is there a way to track our apex talent?

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/squishy-cat-car-cute-gif-10060798321278647997

[haughty flicker]

Do not the cat

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna cat

[storm forum]

I loaf cat

[indigo mulch]

I eat cat

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-change-your-ways-deep-meaning-serious-the-gif-14128459904087667281

[gray raven]

shoutout nooka but it's nice having the CDM work

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-smile-shyboos-smile-gif-24233810

[spice spire]

https://tenor.com/view/diem-archive-diem-angry-smoke-throw-gif-14966112203236833775

[solar wyvern]

Holy fixed before the last tita

!!!

[exotic hearth]

But does it work work or is it still only the first time each combat (Idk if this was fixed before. It's been awhile since I've heard anything so I haven't tried it)

[balmy condor]

This is the fix to what you’re describing

[exotic hearth]

Ooooohhhh. I thought it just separated the 2 aspects of it. Awesome

[balmy condor]

It does

But that’s what the issue was :P

[haughty flicker]

[strange onyx]

We did it

We all helped

[bright turret]

that's not a 4% aura buff, highway robbery

[rugged basalt]

gm

praying for ur vaults

Assa any changes? Are we good now? Hello? Please text me back it was just the one time. It won’t happen again. I deleted the dh character.

omg implacable fixed
so it’s a placebo buff of 1% best case scenario and no change for people that had workarounds

[feral nexus]

Does this spec always have energy drought issues or does it eventually get better with good gear?

[strange onyx]

Its intended design

[rugged basalt]

It’s the identity of the spec

It’s alleviated very slightly with implacable but we are always lowish on energy

[feral nexus]

I see I guess it just feels off putting to me in single target

[rugged basalt]

There’s certain times (not set in stone) where you can let implacable run out and get some energy back

Since they’re fixing CDM tracking for it, it will be a lot more reliable to actually use it consistently

It would feel a little jarring coming from outlaw I imagine

[feral nexus]

ye I didn't expect it to be as mashy as outlaw just not so slow when you get low

hopefully it'll get better with the tracking gonna give it a chance

[rugged basalt]

I’ve been using Nooka Implacable addon if it helps

[feral nexus]

I'll look into it

damage seems good at least all rogue specs seem decent this expansion

[rugged basalt]

Not great not terrible somewhere in between

[royal hazel]

on the two dragons, are guys guys using fan of knives when its just 2 target and CT on the adds? 1) i feel like combo gen on 2+ with fok is kind of low and 2) ct spam made me dry on energy. i should optimise, maybe just 2 cts and fok?

and yay implaccable is fixed

[balmy condor]

if you're playing the right talents (m+ talents), you ct to spread the bleed, then go to spam fok

ct is bleed spread, you don't don't use it more than that

[rugged basalt]

I don’t know if it’s optimal or not but I think assisted rotation (I don’t know ball) highlights fok if there’s multiple targets near me, and I hit ct/fok during those times

[balmy condor]

assisted rotation doesn't hit CT ever afaik

[rugged basalt]

It’s my scuffed way of knowing I’m not wasting time in aoe

Ya but it hits fok

[blazing kayak]

do u guys use a macro for meld restealths

[rugged basalt]

So I’d know I have multiple targets near me

I play a worgen sorry

[dire flume]

based

[cunning needle]

hey @balmy condor just learnt an australian fun fact which i thought you should know.

that fence (that's longer than the great wall of china) that we built about 150 years ago to keep the dingos out has caused one side of the fence to be absolutely lush and growing, and the other side to be a barren wasteland (more so than australia is in general)

have anice day

apparently fences cause climate change

who woulda known

[balmy condor]

australia moment

[dire flume]

how big is that fence

have you heard of "rain shadow"

[cunning needle]

like 5.6km long or something

and no

i have not

[dire flume]

i meant how tall is it

[cunning needle]

oh idk

not that tall

it's just a wire fence

[dire flume]

ok so probably not rain shadow omegalol

[cunning needle]

nah

[dire flume]

wonder what causes that, maybe just less people trampling

[balmy condor]

rain shadow is when there's mountains in the way of clouds

and the rain never gets to the other side

the atacama desert in chile

[cunning needle]

it's because dingos are kept out, so kangaroos bred too much and eat all the grass causing the ground to not retain as much moisture

[balmy condor]

is the dryest place on earth

[dire flume]

ah no landscape of fear

makes sense