wrist/belt are the 2 slots with a lower stat budget
#assassination
royal lantern
nah, pants is a bad craft
its a major slot
why would you want lower ilvl on a slot that gives more stats
storm forum
pants are an okay craft if you think ur not getting myth pants soon
onyx veldt
storm forum
crafting helm/pants for me (only tier slots i dont have myth tier) is like a 1% upgrade
for the cost of like 20 crests in the long term
and windrunner's spire has like 11 pieces on the loot table
royal lantern
and windrunner's spire has like 11 pieces on the loot table
just dont roll the bad items??
royal lantern
skill issue tbh
storm forum
i got box and pit neck in one roll each
just gotta do the same
and i did get a refund token
storm forum
unless ur full myth jewlry already somehow, it's probably correct to spend rolls on pit or algethar
shell kraken
Any specific assassin-tips for mythic Vanguard?
storm forum
next week i'll spend weekly rolls on chimaerus and then decide what to do with my last 1 or 2 rolls after
onyx veldt
replace belt with the belt from pit its an old pic
spice surge
nah, pants is a bad craft
Ngl with how many myth track items you can easily aquire now theres no real point to craft anything besides your embellishments
Unless you have a specific slot thats really low ilvl and youve been really unlucky
royal lantern
yeeeeha, the bonus roll thing kinda made it weird
onyx veldt
replace belt with the belt from pit its an old pic
AA is prob better here
storm forum
i think AA, box and ring looking real good for you
onyx veldt
wrist?
rugged basalt
i had a 99 parse on a wipe sadge
rugged basalt
20% so a lot of margin for failure
this was imperator i fear
i pugged chim last week
the guild hasnt gotten there yet
onyx veldt
I see
onyx veldt
ye same
storm forum
rugged basalt
coordinating the interrupts suck in pugs hahaha
storm forum
mind numbing poison angle
rugged basalt
mind numbing callout
coral ibex
kidney is 8s stun you can rip on every set
rugged basalt
i am
coral ibex
also you have aoe blind again
rugged basalt
theres the other half of the lobby that doesnt
coral ibex
yea but you should be able to stun one, kill the other while kicking it, then kill the one that was stunned
rugged basalt
yea. i save cheap shot as insurance but the time-to-interrupt sucks on that
hazy sundial
Does LFR give voidcore shards?
outer thicket
Since I've been learning how to pool more with Assa, is it better to let Implacable get to about 1s left, then refresh up to 80 stacks, then let it fall off; rinse and repeat? I also noticed sometimes the Blizzard Tracked Buffs bar doesn't show Implacable which makes me kinda sad.
normal mist
So you're at 80, envenom again to remain at 80 and then let it fall off?
outer thicket
I was told previously it's best to let it get to 80, then fall off and start rebuilding stacks again.
normal mist
Oh, yeah I read it wrong. In theory you want to do that, build up to 80 and let it fall off. You only ignore this if you're going to overcap energy while letting the buff fall down
Because the buff is only worth it if you have energy to Regen back
coral ibex
looking at rank 1 logs you should really only be not pressing anything about 1/10th of the time you spend in combat
total
assa is like 53ish casts per minute
so the pooling really only happens when you get to 80 stacks and have 5cp and are low on energy
you should only ever be pooling on 5+cp
always build combo points for your next finisher before doing anything else
halcyon crypt
hi anyone here know the number from pre pots to use tem ?
coral ibex
what
normal mist
probably item ID
halcyon crypt
yes item id from the pre pots
coral ibex
we don’t pre pot
normal mist
they aren't called pre pots since mop
coral ibex
that hasn’t been a thing in years
spice spire
they aren't called pre pots since mop
Beginning of SL is when they lost their “use one time per encounter” I’m pretty sure
normal mist
Beginning of SL is when they lost their “use one time per encounter” I’m pretty ...
Perhaps, mop was the last time i actively remember pre-potting before the pull
wise ibex
In M+ are rogues supposed to use a low CP count kidney shot to interrupt if kick is on cd?
indigo sinew
i mean its up to judgement. is it an important cast that needs to be stopped etc
normal mist
would be best to just blind
spice spire
In M+ are rogues supposed to use a low CP count kidney shot to interrupt if kick...
If no one else has anything and like netherburst is going out ye
But in general it’s not the first thing to do
indigo sinew
ye blind takes prio
normal mist
i'd say so yeah
wise ibex
Ty
normal mist
between blind and KS add "yell at my teammates"
normal mist
Honestly? Respect brother
wise ibex
I enjoy pain and frustration, what can I say.
noble nova
as assa, do we need mastery ? I feel like my damage has gone lower based on the simulation that ive made
I used to see that 600-700k DPS in keys. not anymore
even overall hits 130k, used to be 150
Current stat, based on dungeonslice sim
onyx veldt
im doing keys on my war
my sin has only 1 poison on?
ye i get why we dont get invited into groups...
quiet star
when you maintain dots on big pack for long, garrote will fall off first, so ideally I want to reaply it with vanish
but what about ruprute? it looks lik it make sense to reaply it at same time to start crimson tempest with full dots up
quiet star
my sin has only 1 poison on?
crippling?
onyx veldt
deadly
shell crater
as assa, do we need mastery ? I feel like my damage has gone lower based on the ...
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.
Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1
real solar
when you maintain dots on big pack for long, garrote will fall off first, so ide...
reapply during pandemic - you'll be pressing CT or FOK anyway to build CP
golden loom
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cfrifWoFmc6nU3y1k92phs @frosty cedar 2 target cleave add finally wants me to break the ring set!!
quaint nimbus
Can you survive m dragons gloom soak with feint or are we using cloak for that
golden loom
Can you survive m dragons gloom soak with feint or are we using cloak for that
I just walk into it without anything
only time that mechanic is dangerous is if you and someone else are giga close when popping
quaint nimbus
Ok ty
quiet star
reapply during pandemic - you'll be pressing CT or FOK anyway to build CP
that's strange reallly, isn't it better to reapply rupture one time with garrote to not spam CT in seconds again?
storm forum
i usually vial after the soak then feint whatever mechanic comes after cause the DoT + something else overlap is the actual killer
spice spire
I just walk into it without anything
noble nova
when you maintain dots on big pack for long, garrote will fall off first, so ide...
I do maintain all my DoTs, even re applying them as perfectly as I can
quiet star
I do maintain all my DoTs, even re applying them as perfectly as I can
yes, but I mean how to do that optimally
noble nova
oh okay x) I thought u were telling me about it since I was talking about damage too
I ususally wait untill theyre like 5s untill they break
quiet star
yep, but garrote will always fall first
noble nova
do u have razor wire talented?
quiet star
yes
noble nova
okay. Then ill tell what I like to do
quiet star
so usually when garrote is near falling off there 10 sec of rupture
noble nova
I wait until Garrote reaches 5 seconds to fall. I re apply it and get combo points to max out Rupture and Apply Rupture
for energy management, Crimson, Fan, Envenom, Crimson, Envenom if it hit atleast 5CP
noble nova
so usually when garrote is near falling off there 10 sec of rupture
do u apply them together?
Its always, Garrote, Garrote, Fan, Rupture
Then Crimson
coral ibex
you shouldn’t be trying to game your bleed timers to line up
noble nova
thats for AOE
coral ibex
just refresh them in pandemic
noble nova
- that too
quiet star
do u apply them together?
of course
sometimes I do like(aoe)
garrote-fan-fan-garrote-rupture-CT spam
but I guess I doing it properly by sometimes refreshing rupture a bit earlier to lineup with new garrote
coral ibex
don’t refresh early
quiet star
but if not
coral ibex
just refresh in pandemic
noble nova
give it 2 seconds to refresh Garrote to get max timer on it
and yeah in pandemic refresh
quiet star
just refresh in pandemic
but to refresh it in pandemic I need to spam CT
and if I refreshed garrote in pandemic
coral ibex
why do you think that matters
quiet star
I need to spam CT to apply it aoe
but rupture will fall off in few seconds
so after that I need to apply rupture via CT again
coral ibex
i’m not seeing the problem
quiet star
so x2 CT than needed
quiet star
why do you think that matters
CT cost a lot
coral ibex
you are identifying normal parts of the rotation as incorrect
noble nova
in AOE, it doesnt matter if u CT or Fan
sometimes i autopilot in 13's and spam CT in AOE. still doesnt matter
u wont run out of energy. Garrote will always fall of before Rupture
thats why I said time ur bleeds on Garrote
cause it always casted before Rupture and has less time
reapply whenever u see fit. just dont let it expire completely
quiet star
ok I think I got it, thanks
plucky mica
Tagging on the end as interested.. what if you’ve got a M+ pull with say 20 mobs, so you need a significant number of CTs to respread the bleed. Should you still wait until pandemic window which risks bleeds dropping off? Asking with no idea how the game prioritises reapplying the bleeds also, guess that might be smart and apply closest to expiring first?
spice surge
They all have the same duration
molten flicker
anyone have an arcui setup to share quickly?
plucky mica
Oh that’s true my brain isn’t working haha
So is it better to refresh early to avoid any dropping? Or pandemic your primary target say, and then respread?
I’d assume you refresh early based on pull size?
quiet star
Tagging on the end as interested.. what if you’ve got a M+ pull with say 20 mobs...
i will continue to refresh together on 20+ like algethar
still
on algethar you just spam ct I guess
wide ferry
When i go to refresh, garrote, fok, rupture, ct i am outta energy lol do i have to chill on my envenoms beforehand? I thought we want to spread them out as far as possible without breaking env chain.
coral ibex
So is it better to refresh early to avoid any dropping? Or pandemic your primary...
yes
well
"early"
royal lantern
in AOE, it doesnt matter if u CT or Fan
it doesnt matter if you ignore that FoK costs half as much energy and generates smore CP i gues
lol
noble nova
it doesnt matter if you ignore that FoK costs half as much energy and generates ...
yeah, big pulls really doesnt make a difference, maybe I am lucky that it genereates me full CP{
otherwise yeah. FoK
royal lantern
and in big pulls FoK can also start to become kinda energy positive
cus dashing scoundrel + thrown presicion is a thing
rough haven
anyone here using emberwing and puzzle ?
spice surge
Would not recommend using two on-uses like that
You can easily get a passive trinket like the renown trinket (crucible) to replace one of them (feather)
rough haven
yeah not by choice, jsut the cards i was dealty
wasnt sure if lining it up with the off 1 min cd with kingsbane would be beneficial or off usage when spreading dots with ct would be worth it
oak ember
anyone here using emberwing and puzzle ?
Puzzlebox on use with a passive trinket; Gaze bis, solarflare prism the poorman's gaze, or a crucible of erratic energies until you get one of the 2
rough haven
theres an internal 20second cd
oak ember
Nah
lime edge
But prob not
rough haven
cant use them together
oak ember
theres an internal 20second cd
He means for the 1m kingsbane
oak ember
There could be a world when you do a m+ route in a really sweaty group with everything mapped out that double on use could work
But by then you would already have a gaze
royal lantern
I was wondering if double on use was good
nah
its only really a thing when the 2nd on use is a giga overtuned flat dmg trinket
which is a very rare thing
slim pebble
Did my first couple of keys as sin this tier and I won’t lie the prio damage is very nice
royal lantern
it DOES feel really good to just evaporate a important enemy with your cds up even in high keys
wide berry
Sin stocks rising lately, did I miss a change?
reef flower
Sin stocks rising lately, did I miss a change?
Must be confusing with outlaw 
ancient ingot
guys someome know why am i getting coloured debuff party frames after patch? I turn off it but still have, sry for off top, but on rogue i get trigger when im watching it
indigo mulch
I'm actually consider going outlaw for the first time in years D:
sick sail
yes me too, with my luck, I hop on the hyped spec and gets nerfed by the time I learn how to play it
hushed vortex
asa got nerfed?
golden loom
asa got nerfed?
nope
storm forum
Damn, I'm just playing like shit then ig
vast shuttle
is 147k overall good on mc +14?
open mantle
quick question lura still bugged or
red hinge
Hey guys, playing ass tonight just for fun, my garrote damage seems way off, I take it I don't pandemic a non-empowered garrote on top of an empowered one, and just let the empowered one run out then re-apply? Also, do we pandemic rupture?
marsh fjord
Hey guys, playing ass tonight just for fun, my garrote damage seems way off, I t...
Ja en Ja
red hinge
Is there anything else I should know? I'm trying to track the Implacable 80% thing with the in-game buff tracker thing but it seems patchy
Does not overriding an empowered garotte make up 3m dmg?
balmy condor
Over enough time maybe
Probably in the order of days
More than minutes
But ya know
It’s finite
shy axle
anyone got some tips for 3rd boss (viceking) in seat at like 16/17? how do you prepare for the tentacles? right now i try to vanish, spread and env but it feels weird
sick sail
asa got nerfed?
my bad I meant for outlaw but I love assa, been a sub man tho so far
red hinge
Probably in the order of days
yeah thought so - was just comparing my log to anothers and that was the difference between our garrote on the same fight - though I guess that's because of adds more than cancelling the empowered
balmy condor
Most likely
real pike
is it just me or do the builds on wowhead keep flipping between shrouded suffocation and regi reward
oh it just changes from fight to fight
errant swallow
I'm actually consider going outlaw for the first time in years D:
Same, sadly
hazy sundial
Besides classic brew/resto/aug what would be the fifth ideal member to push keys with assa?
I like having demo lock with me more than devourer
paper ether
hey just a douible check i shou;ld be using atrophic, crippling amplifying and deadl;y poison right?
hazy sundial
hey just a douible check i shou;ld be using atrophic, crippling amplifying and d...
No crippling
open mantle
why does blizz not show the tooltip for energy stacks to 80 all the time
is there an addon that i can use
real pike
!apex
prisma monolithBOT
Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it without an addon. It can mostly be ignored without losing more than ~0.8%
If you'd like an addon to track implacable, search for Nooka Implacable or use the Curseforge Link
open mantle
or
paper ether
No crippling
instant or wouynd instead
hazy sundial
instant or wouynd instead
2 lethals 1 non lethal
real pike
anyone know why the first naked KB on alleria loorgs is 1 min 15 after the first DM? is it just for more stacks/execute?
paper ether
2 lethals 1 non lethal
but u can have 4
balmy condor
but u can have 4
Non lethals don’t do anything for dps
balmy condor
anyone know why the first naked KB on alleria loorgs is 1 min 15 after the first...
Probably
proper rain
do i undestand this correct, is the puzzlebox 37,7k of my total dps this run? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z3Rh46KWpvx89LQ7?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=5&sourcebuffs=383781
real pike
Probably
it might be that sending it 1 min after is a waste on the second add cause it dies
so ppl are waiting and sending it on third
but then the third has no stacks
further testing required
balmy condor
do i undestand this correct, is the puzzlebox 37,7k of my total dps this run? ht...
that is the damage you dealt during puzzle box
storm forum
yesterday I did some shit like KB CT Env DM Box for reasons i cannot explain, how do I unbraindamage myself?
balmy condor
so you did 43.8m damage during box
keen kite
@balmy condor hey, whisp can u tell me which is the strongest rog spec nowadays in m+ ?
balmy condor
I cannot
real pike
<@167090536602140682> hey, whisp can u tell me which is the strongest rog spec n...
whichever is ur favourite
storm forum
OL blasts every pack, Sin giga blasts with CDs, take ur pick, idk what sub is doing anymore
keen kite
i like 3 of them, ill check out one by one
real pike
i have not played for a long time and coming back to wow xD
you get a 10% damage buff for playing a spec you enjoy and find fun
try them all and see which you like
keen kite
@real pike ❤️
keen kite
try them all and see which you like
thanks mate
bronze panther
Ambush is never used?
real pike
Ambush is never used?
not outside of blindside
proper rain
that is the damage you dealt during puzzle box
so out of my total 128m damage almost 40m was puzzle box? xD
balmy condor
so out of my total 128m damage almost 40m was puzzle box? xD
no
out of your 128m damage, 40m was in the buff window of puzzle box
proper rain
Ah, is there any way to see how much damage puzzle box "did"?
balmy condor
it's the time frame
zealous moth
balmy condor
no
subtle tundra
fuck you
balmy condor
that math is nearly impossible
zealous moth
my time finally came
balmy condor
you could make a rough estimation if you know how much mastery% it's giving your character
and then reverse the math
so like if you look at the timeframe of puzzle box, and you did 150 damage with puzzle box taking you to 85% mastery for example
you're at lets say 40% mastery baseline
add up all the mastery sources
some division later
bronze panther
not outside of blindside
its not on the rotation guide from wowhead
balmy condor
and you can get a rough example
proper rain
Ah right
royal lantern
god crown prog suckss on rogue
adds running around everywhere, RL screaming for aoe cc, and im just sitting there like
"im hitting boss and hope they do cc 😄 "
real pike
its not on the rotation guide from wowhead
pressing muti automatically casts ambush with a blindside proc
so yes you can say it's not part of the rotation
lapis lantern
i received 2 new Nebulous Voidcore through mail. I looted 2 items from Pit before the fix. I went to Pit of Saron again tonight and received the same two items again 🫰 like brah
🫰 🫰 🫰 🫰 🫰
zealous moth
lmfao
lapis lantern
so, dont use ur mail-voidcores yet brothers and sisters
haughty flicker
thats working as intended
lapis lantern
im pre-alpha testing for your guys
haughty flicker
the bugged rolls were not retroactively added to the bad luck protection
lapis lantern
np
fallow canopy
Yep, since they couldn't fix the dupes, the worse case scenario is you go neutral
Which is fair ig
lapis lantern
ok, than thats totally fine for me 🤡
spring stream
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD
vagrant hearth
dmg meter still not tracking poison bomb or did they fix it?
balmy condor
nope
bronze panther
pressing muti automatically casts ambush with a blindside proc
so we do not need it in the bar then as if no need ambush at all like sub i dont even press slice and dine
main drum
we use deadly+amp poison right?
jaunty lotus
i received 2 new Nebulous Voidcore through mail. I looted 2 items from Pit befor...
That is actually the expected behaviour and why they gave you 2 cores back, you just weren't lucky
balmy condor
we use deadly+amp poison right?
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
quick kestrel
hey! this is my first m+ (a 2 nexus) that i ever did, was wondering if anybody could give me tips or observations? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eFPg6iqfH8bqsHecXCqzjL
balmy condor
that is a quick sim
quick kestrel
oh
quiet star
ffs just killed chimaerus on myth with grey logs
idk how assa should play here
literall awful expirience, still first try in raids
quick kestrel
wait im sorry lmao, even if i do an advanced sim it wont show the nexus right?
balmy condor
not quite
cause real situations are still pretty different
but it's used for gear comparisons
quick kestrel
would details be better for analysis? i dont think my computer is strong enough to run warcraft logs unfortunately
balmy condor
quick kestrel
gotcha gotcha thank you for clarifying
quick kestrel
im on a laptop...............
balmy condor
warcraftlogs is just reading the combat log that already is being read
quick kestrel
my fps drops to like 30 when i run it
balmy condor
fascinating
quick kestrel
idk if it's some other addon
ill try it again haha. i deleted a few other addons along with warcraft logs way back when
knotty vapor
you don't need to live log
you can just upload the logs manually after a fight
just make sure combat logging is enabled
knotty vapor
I would be amazed if that had a noticeable fps impact on even the lowest end machines
zealous moth
I've been using the archon app for logs and haven't noticed any performance change
might be worth trying it
i had the same issue back in like
Nerubar palace
quick kestrel
that's so interesting
zealous moth
installed archon this season and havent noticed the same
knotty vapor
the game is constantly logging loads of different things for many other purposes, combat logging is just adding one more to the pile
quick kestrel
well i guess it wasnt the warcraft logs then. i used a ton of addons back then and i just purged everything i didnt need
modern moon
!sim
sick sail
what’s the rotation if we have Puzzle box now for M++ assa? coming from sub want to make sure I min max like a gaymer
zealous moth
same as st but you FoK instead of muti/ambush
Garrote > FoK > Rupture > Garrote > FoK > Env > Box > DM > KB
sick sail
ok, and box > mark > KB right
zealous moth
yeah
sick sail
ur a legend, thank you so much for putting the time to reply
I love this
ok so an envenom before too perfect
zealous moth
ideally yeah
sick sail
I noticed i’ll garrote, rupture and ill CT and I barely hae these last a long time
zealous moth
for the apex talent
sick sail
crimson tempest too before envenoms right
zealous moth
yeah it's the same
sick sail
to get everyone stacked
sick sail
Yea same I read it out of memory too
I used to play assa war within
do we prioritize CT over FoK or not really
just to spread with CT then FoK
zealous moth
if you're running scent yeah
sick sail
Thanks brother
zealous moth
no worries c:
sick sail
I’m trying to farm all stuff I need for assa and outlaw since I main sub, i’ll have to fix my stats abit, I alrdy have the trinkets for assa, and I guess just farm trinket from sky and make a sword 285
spare marsh
hey all! been coming back to rogue this season and pushing into mythics, would anyone be willing to look through some of my logs and see how i could improve? I'm struggling sifting through them and understnading how to fully use them to see what i need to improve on
zealous moth
hey all! been coming back to rogue this season and pushing into mythics, would a...
more dots!
spare marsh
always good advice
wise fiber
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD
maiden wasp
is the crit% ring ench real or simbait
maiden wasp
baller ty
trim cairn
Garrote > FoK > Rupture > Garrote > FoK > Env > Box > DM > KB
Depending on how high the key and how big the pack is, you'd for sure want to shove at least 6-7 CTs in before popping cds to get maximum value, no?
I'd assume the delay in sending CDs is more than made up for this way
zinc frost
6-7 CTs before sending CDs is wild
trim cairn
Idk how u peaking 1m+ dps if u dont but sure
zinc frost
That's 6-7 extra globals before sending cds in a pack that you won't be getting any good DM/KB value out of.
normal mist
with the forge thing to increase the ilvl of weapons and trinkets, how high can both go?
zealous moth
think it was 298
normal mist
for crafted -4?
normal mist
thanks homie
trim cairn
6-7 globals closer to execute range 😉
I mean thats more garrote/rupturemaxxing at that point
my man sending cds with the grand value of 3 bleeds up
zealous moth
i don't think that matters as much as you think
zealous moth
you're already sending a couple CTs on aoe opener
so you shouldn't have just 3 bleeds
trim cairn
I mean the comment I was directly replying to didn't have any CTs but sure
zinc frost
You said 6-7 CTs before cds
trim cairn
On big packs on high keys
zinc frost
Im saying thats wrong
balmy condor
depends on how long the pack is alive for, no?
trim cairn
More than 30s
balmy condor
for like 99% of people doing +16's and under
you definitely don't ct before cds
your dm target doesn't live long enough
if you're doing like giga massive title keys then sure whatever
press a couple cds, wait till everything is grouped
scent value
sounds good to me
trim cairn
I mean hey if you dont want full value from your cds you do you boo
balmy condor
yeh idk what keys ruptured is doing
zinc frost
I mean I'm just saying 6-7 CTs before CDs sounds wrong. Sure unless its 20/21 maybe you'll still get value. You're sending your CT into envemons straight after CDs anyways so your not losing out
trim cairn
Lol
balmy condor
I mean you lose scent value
there is good reason to ct before cds
it just doesn't apply to most people
zinc frost
Im not saying not to CT.. 6-7 though? Nah
balmy condor
sure, why not
trim cairn
Why wouldnt you bleed all the mobs in the pack before popping your cds if you get full value from it
coral ibex
i mean unless you are saying erm it should only be 5 max to get 20 scent of blood stacks
idk what ur point could be
trim cairn
This is a weird hill to die on bro
coral ibex
that 6-7 is too much
balmy condor
ye
lunar gorge
What poisons are we supposed to run ?
coral ibex
the ones you talent into
balmy condor
!poison
prisma monolithBOT
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
lunar gorge
oh, thanks I didn't know that was a command
zealous saddle
i opened this channel specifically to look into how many cts you press before dmark so i mean im glad you guys argued about this loll
plain thistle
26 apparently
balmy condor
as long as you're getting your deathmark off fully then you can delay it all you want
it's more bleeds out, more zoldyck value for cds, more scent
the mob just needs insane health
in order to pull off any delay
spice surge
Or you need to have teammates without hands
balmy condor
yeah
trim cairn
Or you need to have teammates without hands
If you check logs for people queuing for 18 keys then you'd see that its more common than you think
balmy condor
that's the easier one tbh
zealous saddle
i put dmark up in the first pull of a 16 seat and watched a ret pally take 3 bites out of that mob
trim cairn
If you are doing big pack you should use it on the 2nd big mob, expecting the other dps to be like apes blowing everything on the first big mob they see
trim cairn
Very good graphic
haughty flicker
viscid spear
cedar niche
!macro
viscid spear
!macro
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial
#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD
keen spruce
damn i was scrolled up
runic hinge
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
thorn thorn
warped moon
do u ever just get so mad
normal mist
yes
normal mist
also yes
warped moon
stuck lodge
I'm just happy whenever I see another yellow in the group. Then I try to beat em
stuck lodge
I legit have never been in an m+ group with another assassin
normal mist
we were both sub
stuck lodge
Ah. I've only been with subs yeah
random pelican
do we take wound poison for first third of MC?
coral ibex
no
random pelican
severe meadow
This dude is doing Molten Core..
severe meadow
we were both sub
Yeah we know you are buddy
viscid spear
normal mist
Yeah we know you are buddy
I didn't get the joke:(
severe meadow
I didn't get the joke:(
Sub… missive
hazy sundial
No new pins in 5 days
normal mist
Oh. Jay get out.
hazy sundial
I need some new changes
gilded oasis
Sub… missive
I'm 12, I don't understand, can you explain it
normal mist
I need some new changes
Change to sub like I did
cunning needle
Sub… missive
Is this a new missive they added in the .5 patch?
severe meadow
Is this a new missive they added in the .5 patch?
Yeah, I’d try it out if I were you
hazy sundial
Change to sub like I did
Id rather play a h*nter than sub
cunning needle
normal mist
Fair enough, I'm actually having fun playing sub
somber sparrow
Id rather play a h*nter than sub
Censoring it doesn’t make it any less family friendly. Please don’t say that word
cunning needle
Sub gang gang rise up
normal mist
Pressing Sectec+dance feels awesome
severe meadow
I really need to try outlaw 
normal mist
Pressing shadowstrike feels awesome
Black powder not so much and makes my fingers hurt
cunning needle
Pressing shadowstrike feels awesome
I like pressing damage button and feeling like I do damage
hazy sundial
Its way too simple
normal mist
Fact
hazy sundial
I get bored after 2 dungeons as a sub
normal mist
To me it helps me deal with the dungeon and not the spec
hazy sundial
I still do delves/prays/open world stuff as sub and its hella boring
cunning needle
yeah i kinda get why people find sub boring
because hurr durr 2 button rotation
which is true
but i'd argue that sub was always like that to begin with
coral ibex
its not just 2 buttons its 2 buttons with no upkeep thing at all
cunning needle
i just like the highs and lows
hazy sundial
Yeah, assa doentime is more fun because of bleeds
cunning needle
is it really downtime if you still have to maintain stuff
i want my downtime to be acutal downtime
hazy sundial
I think 45s cooldown would make sub more fun
One more button
And maybe “shadow” rupture kind of finisher
cunning needle
please no
hazy sundial
But thats like doubling the buttons for sub lol
cunning needle
this is now getting into #subtlety discussion which should be contained there
but rupture is just such a wahtever button for sub
severe meadow
Did feel like a random filler button
cunning needle
well used to be
yeah exactly
i don't really care for filler buttons
same way i don't really care for fillers in general
but my take is probably the same logic as those weirdos in feral who miss their snapshotting gameplay
i liked the fact in sub you could have proper downtime
hazy sundial
Outlaw i dont like because there is no ramp up. Damage profile is flat
Assa is my favorite because i have puzzle box+pot+dm+ kingsbane. And after those 4 numbers go boom
cunning needle
where you acutally don't do anything
hazy sundial
Me like big numbers
severe meadow
Outlaw seems to be pretty crazy now with the smoke
warped moon
outlaw fake rogue
severe meadow
Been watching Casual slam some big keys
I wonder if outlaw will be the play for Belo prog
somber sparrow
anyone miss it bein called "combat"
coral ibex
@real pike
waxen oyster
anyone miss it bein called "combat"
boomer term
heavy sentinel
Combat is such a generic term
Could’ve gone to any class and would’ve made sense
Combat priest
Combat warrior
Etc
heavy sentinel
Kinda just proves they have no idea what to do with the class like a forced third spec that they couldn’t think of a proper term for
balmy condor
"combat" proves they have no idea what to do with the class?
brother it hasn't been called combat in a decade we cannot be serious right now
coral ibex
meanwhile it was just the tree in vanilla that was more generally combat focused
cunning needle
yeah and my lobster is too butter and my steaks are too juicy
fallow canopy
what will I do will all these great myth pieces
humble cradle
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
(Jundies Profile)
(Whispyr's Profile)
Misc:
Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement
rigid fable
guys can i use Kingsbane without Deathmark? since deathmark is 2min cd and kings 1min?
sorry i came back now as alt so trying to figure it out
humble cradle
anyone know how to add health pots to better cooldown manager? Im trying to add them to the custom section and have tried spell id and the name of the rank 2 pot from wowhead
lethal turtle
Get acdm first
humble cradle
Get acdm first
what is that?
latent kernel
whats everyones go to race for assassinationr rogue
zinc frost
Whatever has coolest mog 
cunning needle
human because i want stun break
storm forum
NElf cause it's like gambling for a second vanish in m+
onyx veldt
anyone else got a shitload of myth pieces you cant upgrade
can i borrow that gaze bro
near valley
whats everyones go to race for assassinationr rogue
Void elf cause transmog being half cost was a nice deal before they did this transmog change
severe sparrow
if we cloak when we have the line-erasey mechanic on us on that one boss in nexus point to stand in goopy, does it fuck the mechanic up?
latent kernel
Sometimes I hop into a +5 on my 282 rogue to sudden demise maxx for the aura
Guilty pleasure
slim pebble
whats everyones go to race for assassinationr rogue
Night elf for slut mog
halcyon crypt
any buffs income ?
balmy condor
nothing announced
ripe sphinx
nothing announced
bro u got a shoutout from mafic how do u feel
ripe sphinx
not a deez nuts joke?
balmy condor
oh
random forum andy that writes like a drunk AI chatbot
sure
I try to stay as far away from forums as possible generally
cunning needle
how could you do this to us whispyr
balmy condor
how could you do this to us whispyr
That's right! Assassination is flying under the radar in Mythic+ content. Rogues are like a fine 5 star meal with an aged red wine — even I don't know what I'm saying anymore.
cunning needle
rogues are now edible in patch 12.0.5
balmy condor
maybe if you took an edible this whole wine thing would make sense
magic fossil
@storm forum ty sweetie
main bobcat
onyx veldt
nice BR ...
coral ibex
so far all 3 of my bonus loot rolls have given me garbage i would not equip
all in slots i have 6/6 myth already
zinc frost
jolly stirrup
Oh that's not a link what
Wanna press that after selecting a message
waxen oyster
i got a chest and an outlaw wep
quiet star
Why hungering victory is top weapon on wowhead? Stats are not that good.
rugged basalt
gm
The prio is just “get a myth dagger” and that one’s the easiest to manually obtain aside from gv rng
Does it change after bonus loot yes
quiet star
Ok, thx
rugged basalt
Here’s to hoping I won’t have to waste my bonus looting in dreamrift again
I dont know if tier pieces drop off bonus loot
quiet star
I dont know if tier pieces drop off bonus loot
The most important question
rugged basalt
It’s either 1/2 or 2/3 odds depending on that (for me since I bonus looted belt off it this week)
rugged basalt
Doesn’t this also mean we start to shine when all the ranged units become fully geared and we aren’t burdened by adds 
quiet star
The most important question
Google says yes, you can roll tier tokens with bonus roll
That's actually sucks
waxen oyster
if its a raid boss with one
compact flame
I dont know if tier pieces drop off bonus loot
I bonus rolled chest token from Chima yesterday
rugged basalt
Great it’s 2/3
I can still roll vestige
And chest
Gemini is not reliable since its information is off scraping pages and bullshitting if it doesn’t know the answer
balmy condor
Gemini is not reliable since its information is off scraping pages and bullshitt...
Okay but it’s confident
rugged basalt
Okay but it’s confident
You didn’t just make me cum—you made me arrive—and honestly? that’s growth. 🌱
jolly stirrup
I dont know if tier pieces drop off bonus loot
They do
rugged basalt
It’s a relief only in knowing that I dont have myth chest
I’ve to deliberately avoid that in gv in whatever scenario in my head that exists
jolly stirrup
Yeah not for me, I rolled the other trinket, at least now I have a 66% chance to roll something that helps me with the belt and Alnseer
quiet star
another dumb question, so atrophic poison - what actually damage it can reduce? will it be only melee, or literally all damage that mob/boss doing including spells, abilities, aoe phase damage etc?
jolly stirrup
I assume you have a myth chest
Ye
quiet star
and deadenes nerves, why we don't use it in m+? I guess phys damage reduction is good vs bleeds for example? maybe other scenarios
balmy condor
and deadenes nerves, why we don't use it in m+? I guess phys damage reduction is...
name me 3 bleeds in the current season
quiet star
name me 3 bleeds in the current season
that's a hard test for the morning
rugged basalt
Do we have enemy bleeds
quiet star
but in skyreach it can eat you alive
balmy condor
the only bleeds I know of are tank debuffs and one in skyreach
rugged basalt
So just skyreach(?)
quiet star
still, isn't there other phys aoe damage etc?
quiet star
So just skyreach(?)
why they just didn't make it 5% for everything
balmy condor
still, isn't there other phys aoe damage etc?
if it's aoe then feint is already giga strong
quiet star
if it's aoe then feint is already giga strong
of course, but 45 is always better than 40
waxen oyster
is it not talented
in the m+ build
i cant say i pay attention to any talents that are not throughput related
balmy condor
no
quiet star
sure but if you're dead at 40
yes, but there some amount of other variables sometimes
balmy condor
it's just one of the more pointless "defensive" nodes
like in algethar there's phys damage from the eruptions on first boss, the wyrms lunging, and that's kinda it
quiet star
but what about atrophic poison? will it decrease damage for example on Echoknights in AA from their big bad aoe?
balmy condor
everything else is magic
balmy condor
but what about atrophic poison? will it decrease damage for example on Echoknigh...
yes
if you can poison the thing that's doing the damage, atrophic works
that includes clones and stuff
cause they're attributed typically
quiet star
yes
thank you, that's op in that case
and just to double check, will it works on casts as well?
balmy condor
yes
works on basically everything in m+
I don't think there's a mechanic in m+ that isn't attributed
quiet star
great
balmy condor
oh actually that's not true
the group-wide pulsing aoe on lura
that's environmental
and I think the void rifts in seat too
quiet star
it's just one of the more pointless "defensive" nodes
but we actually have this stiletto which is also not that useful and can be moved, it can be in windrunner spire, but other than that i'm not sure
balmy condor
sure
utility points can be moved at will
most people take shadowrunner with that point
quiet star
most people take shadowrunner with that point
that's actually me
oh, and another question if anyone have time to answer that
I know it's an old question, but how critical is to have improved garrote on every pack?
yesterday I tried M+ with my group for first time, and in windspire for example sometimes we have pretty long chainpulls(not really chainpulls but tank is already on another pack while we killing last 5% mob)
so in result I have issues with re-stealth, I think tank did it right, to have bigger uptime in fight, but in that case I should keep vanish for such situation?
or it's not that critical at all?
balmy condor
not important
cunning needle
!restealth
sinful ice
What is the best rotation for lightblinded vanguard?
balmy condor
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
garrote!
fok fok
rupture!
crimson tempest
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
so that's the first 30 seconds right
and then the next 30 seconds
rugged basalt
Wait for mass dispel
rugged basalt
look really silly the first 5 seconds
balmy condor
fok fok
rupture!
crimson tempest
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
sinful ice
Thx
balmy condor
well don't leave just yet, there's 5 more minutes of the fight
I haven't gotten there yet
gilded oasis
Sometimes you have to fok 3 times
quiet star
Sometimes you have to fok 3 times
unluck
gilded oasis
Once I had do to it 4 times it felt bad
balmy condor
kingsbane!
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
garrote!
fok fok
rupture!
fok fok env
fok fok env
fok fok env
okay, 1:30 in
gilded oasis
Can't wait for 2 mins
rugged basalt
Can you add a kick in there just in case
cunning needle
waxen oyster
what about afk time
cunning needle
@balmy condor why was restealth kill
waxen oyster
waiting for implac
quiet star
Once I had do to it 4 times it felt bad
I think at some point of time you will mutilate when need to remove shield from the girl
rugged basalt
You afk when you’re dead
In this boss’s case 1:30
Notice how whispyr didn’t finish the rest of the rotation
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> why was restealth kill
cause its one damn talent I ain't reciting the bible in japanese for one damn talent
waxen oyster
Can you recite it in hindi
golden loom
Re-stealth for ironwire 
rugged basalt
Commission me and I just might
cunning needle
cause its one damn talent I ain't reciting the bible in japanese for one damn ta...
まだ何もなかった時、神は天と地を造りました。 2 地は形も定まらず、闇に包まれた水の上を、さらに神の霊が覆っていました。
waxen oyster
まだ何もなかった時、神は天と地を造りました。 2 地は形も定まらず、闇に包まれた水の上を、さらに神の霊が覆っていました。
one ramen please
balmy condor
raw men? where
cunning needle
one ramen please
make sure to run to ichiran ramen!
(please do not go there, it is the mcdonalds of japanese ramen)
waxen oyster
that place mid asf
cunning needle
based
rugged basalt
まだ何もなかった時、神は天と地を造りました。 2 地は形も定まらず、闇に包まれた水の上を、さらに神の霊が覆っていました。
This smth id name tag my ak in cs
quiet star
Notice how whispyr didn’t finish the rest of the rotation
because he didn't use feint
waxen oyster
You know the best japanese places are always some middle aged woman who refuses to use a computer to write signs.
cunning needle
yeah
there are a lot of "hidden gems" that are acutally hidden
and you don't find them without randomly walking in somewhere
rugged basalt
I stop caring about my rotation when the song Golden stops playing (when bloodlust ends)
waxen oyster
or the chinese place where the bathroom is a public health hazard
cunning needle
there's going to be a lot of places which are mid
but like so is ichiran and people line up for 2hours for that shit
cunning needle
I stop caring about my rotation when the song Golden stops playing (when bloodlu...
i need to set up a bind or something
rugged basalt
Highonhaste addon
rugged basalt
You can probably import custom sounds manually
cunning needle
idk how to do that anymore
i used to do that on some bosses
like tindral i made it play danger zone whenever i mounted up
good times
waxen oyster
if we still had wa
radiant raven
Yakkety Sax whenever a fixate goes on you.
humble verge
dont dude me
rugged basalt
Someone hop on that shit
humble verge
rugged basalt
rugged basalt
dont dude me
buddy
rugged basalt
Cheat death proc
Circus soundtrack
I’ll work on this after j*b today
quiet star
so woxtoxic switched to outlaw
shame(but assa rip)
flint marsh
is there a way to colour the mobs hp bar that has your kb/dm on them
rugged basalt
Oh highonhaste can be very easily modified actually that’s piss chilling
same with how and what it detects
jolly stirrup
there are a lot of "hidden gems" that are acutally hidden
I love the Instagram Account: Japaneatgram, he goes to these typed of restaurants
cunning needle
im convinced this guy is sponsered by the kobe government
the real answer is that he probably just goes to university there or something
im still waiting for him to review that one place i went to in that food center underground from that shopping area
iykyk
jolly stirrup
im still waiting for him to review that one place i went to in that food center ...
Under this busy shopping street in japan
cunning needle
actually he might have alreayd odne it
i havent seen his vids for a while
it's this
honestly the okonomiyaki was pretty good but nothing amazing
but the lemon sours were 
i'd go back just for the lemon sour
perfect blend of sour and sweet
subtle tundra
im convinced this guy is sponsered by the kobe government
90% of online media is a psyop
dont ask me how i know
jolly stirrup
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MEHmftn84MaZBQiN7
Can't recall seeing this one
But man I really wanna go to Japan
cunning needle
cunning needle
no
cunning needle
unluggy
jolly stirrup
Well
I could in theory just go
But my sister also really wants to go and she needs to save
Or my ETF could just blow up and make me rich
cunning needle
- how well do you get along with your sister
1.1 have you been on a trip with her before overseas
jolly stirrup
- Well enough I would say
1.1 not since we turned adults
cunning needle
okay so like feel free to not take this advice since maybe your sister is a well adjusted individual
but my first 2 japan trips were largly ruined by friends
okay ruined is a strong word
but it severely detracted from the enjoyement
jolly stirrup
Because they wanted to do different things?
cunning needle
because apparently grown adults cannot use google maps
or a single braincell of free will
no
jolly stirrup
because apparently grown adults cannot use google maps
Bro i work in a hotel, tell me about it
cunning needle
they just didn't want to do things
we get off the shinky from osaka -> tokyo
and get off in shinjuku station
which is a fucking labyrinth
and one of them is asking me "hey how much longer do we need to walk through here"
I D ONT FUCKING KNOW
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IM HERE AS WELL
YOUR BADLY EDUCATED GUESS IS AS BAD AS MINE
jolly stirrup
But FIMBULVTR, you NEED to knooowwwww
cunning needle
but yeah anyways
all im saying is
you can go by yourself
and also go with your sister
rugged basalt
I’m more reliable abroad than I am at home
jolly stirrup
Ye we talked about this. We do stuff together, but also just fuck off into different directions for a few days
Explore, enjoy
cunning needle
yeah that sounds okay
if you two are both independent adults that wont get mad if you split up and do your own thing
you'll be fine
jolly stirrup
Yeah we are 
cunning needle
i just get some whiny single braincell organism that latches onto whatever i felt like doing for the day and then gets bored half way through
and wants to go back to teh airbnb
fuck off dickhead you go back
b-b-b-but i dont know how to get back
GET OUT YOUR FUCKING PHONE
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
jolly stirrup
and wants to go back to teh airbnb
Would you recommend Air BnBs or hotels
jolly stirrup
Good enough
cunning needle
then hotels
jolly stirrup
cunning needle
airbnbs are very whatever
and hotels will make your life a lot easier
with forwarding luggage
and early check in
and late checkout
jolly stirrup
Gotcha
cunning needle
and "oh sorry we had to cancel because we've rented out our house too much this year"
jolly stirrup
Yeah finding a last Minute resort might be difficult with the language barrier
jolly stirrup
Yeah figured.
God I just wanna go into some neighborhood far away from the touristic area, ask a local where he likes to go and eat, and just eat
I'm gonna gain 5kg and I won't give a flying fuck
radiant raven
You could do that via social media
One of the posotive of connecting with locals from around the world
jolly stirrup
Even better
Stuffing my fat ass with tasty food AND loosing weight?
Count me fucking in
cunning needle
also another tip. The whole "wandering around into some random place" be it food or just exploring a neighbourhood gets very over romanticised
That's not to say you shouldn't do it, but you should have a specific place you want to see in a specific neighbourhood and then you explore around it
jolly stirrup
cunning needle
like imagine just walking down a random street in your neighbourhood
it's the exact same thing
the way i plan my trips is at most 1 morning and at most 1-2 afternoon activities/places to go to
and then you just work around that
half the shops dont even open in the morning in japan 
but yeah you find like a nice park to go to
and then when walking back from the park you see some shopping street
and you wander down there
you gotta set up somewhere to wander
the place is too big to just wander around in general
or else youre just wandering around the block from the train station which is all well and good
jolly stirrup
Gotcha
cunning needle
but those end up being same same after a while
radiant raven
Visit the food vending machines
jolly stirrup
Imma reach out to you for recommendations on what to see in a few years then
balmy condor
I'm gonna gain 5kg and I won't give a flying fuck
I'll give you 5kg to gain (we're having a girl)
cunning needle
yeah feel free to DM about this
balmy condor
jolly stirrup
I'll give you 5kg to gain (we're having a girl)
Wait are you fr?
cunning needle
balmy condor
Wait are you fr?
idk, are you pregnant
radiant raven
<:pregrat:1492313784075817112>
That's an Animorph
balmy condor
need a moroes function that pings users when they've been in the server for 9 months
jolly stirrup
What you wanna name her
cunning needle
rugged basalt
garfpregrat
humble verge
black temple ahh room
dire flume
gf is likely picking pathfinder for maplestory
i am still undecided, buccaneer looks pretty cool
terse ridge
black temple ahh room
nah king this is perfect as is
balmy condor
i am still undecided, buccaneer looks pretty cool
AND THIS WAS MY FIRST MAIN WHEN I CAME BACK
dire flume
annoyingly i had decided i wanted to pathfinder before showing her the classes
sticking with explorer classes to make things easier for now
balmy condor
there's not an actual "difference" in explorers
dire flume
the base warrior classes seem really boring sadly
dire flume
i saw they had different intro missions at the very least
balmy condor
"explorer" or "anima" or something is kinda just opening lore or whatever
dire flume
but also i figure since explorer wouldve been the first classes theyd be a bit simpler mechanically and easier for her to understand whats going on
balmy condor
yeah so the way the lore works is basically each class has its own lore story until 200 where the story converges
think of it like wow in classic or whatever
each zone exists with its own piece of the bigger story
dire flume
yeah, id rather do that first 200 together
rugged basalt
I liked how they made it converge