assassination

[onyx veldt]

[lime edge]

U cant say a stealth class uses stealth for dmg

[balmy condor]

why not

[lime edge]

And then use the dmg to say we're stealth

What

[placid wave]

u can't not say a stealth class uses stealth for dmg

🤔

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

I can't believe feral druid has to have cat form for dps

[royal lantern]

what the fuck is that for a group

like, what is he doing

fucking mythic bird?

[balmy condor]

I can't believe fire mage has to have fire for dps

[royal lantern]

[balmy condor]

I can't believe death knight has a knight of death and plague and death-themed mechanics for dps

[placid wave]

im mad we have to use poisons for dmg

[lime edge]

Stealthy combat isnt actually a thing in wow tho

[balmy condor]

I can't believe shadow priest does shadow damage

[lime edge]

U just stealth to get garrote buff

[balmy condor]

that is

by definition

[placid wave]

yeah that's the whole bit

[balmy condor]

stealth

you stealth to get something

yes

precisely

that's the point

[lime edge]

Stealth is more like talon for league

[placid wave]

stealth=advantage for stealth class yes

[lime edge]

Or khazix

[royal lantern]

i mean, its just a 2min cd with some flavor

thats it

[lime edge]

Etc

[balmy condor]

okay

and what do they do

they stealth just to get bonus damage?

[placid wave]

you got it bud

[balmy condor]

that's fucking lame

WHY DO THEY HAVE TO DO THAT

why does talon ult stealth you

[royal lantern]

if we bring up fucking league of legends for discussions about "gameplay flavor" we are allready giga cooked

[balmy condor]

that doesn't do anything

doesn't even do bonus damage

its just stealth to stealth

no mechanic

gg

[lime edge]

No

[balmy condor]

your golden example of stealthy combat

is a rogue

that doesn't get anything from stealth

we cannot be fr

[lime edge]

What

Im saying rogue doesnt have stealthy combat

[placid wave]

it can stealth and when it stealths it does more damage

[lime edge]

U cant even stealth in combat

[placid wave]

seems like stealthy combat to me!

[lime edge]

U have to vanish

[royal lantern]

we can

its vanish

[lime edge]

[royal lantern]

like, wtf is vanish??

[balmy condor]

talon has to press R

[royal lantern]

you go stealth in combat

[lime edge]

Why cant u stealth then

[balmy condor]

this is ragebait

[placid wave]

you can its called vanish, almost like the longer cool down ults from league you used in your example... 🤔

[lime edge]

In combat

[balmy condor]

this has to be ragebait

you cannot be this dense

[royal lantern]

every class is a stealth class when i close my eyes and dont ssee them

[placid wave]

oh true

[lime edge]

Bro

Do we actually run around in stealth midpull

Or something

Hell no

[runic hinge]

I do

[radiant raven]

If you think about it, logging out is the ultimate stealth

[lime edge]

[placid wave]

so for stealth combat you want just the no combat part

got it

[royal lantern]

mate

you asked "why do we have to use vanish"

got the answer "cus rogue is a stealth based class"

and then go "vanish iss no stealth"

bruh

[placid wave]

you could vanish and stand in a corner if you wanted

[lime edge]

U cant even use ur invis in combat

Like in other games

[weary stump]

you soft skins might know it as talon toss

[lime edge]

[balmy condor]

rogue has no stealth

can restealth out of combat
can vanish with cd
damage benefit from doing these things

stealth is more like talon for league

ult with cd gives stealth with no benefit
?????????

me am no very think gud

[placid wave]

yeah this is rage bait

[lime edge]

Wdym stealth with no benefit

[balmy condor]

what does talon get from stealth

[lime edge]

The fact that ur invisible?

What

[balmy condor]

I wish I could punch you through my monitor right now

[royal lantern]

assa rogues are really all the same braincell

[lime edge]

Thats what im saying

[placid wave]

this is genius

[balmy condor]

so you've never stealthed through a delve

or stealthed past quest mobs

or avoided a pack with shroud

you've never done any of these things?

[lime edge]

I mean sure

But thats not incombat

Ur not like shaco

[balmy condor]

so you've never dropped aggro with vanish

[lime edge]

U don't go sneaking around in combat

[balmy condor]

also isn't vanish literally in combat

[placid wave]

if league actually had "in combat" status it'd actually be the exact same shit

[balmy condor]

you vanish, you re-appear

you do more damage

big garrote

???

[thorn thorn]

I cant believe big purple is falling for this low effort rage bait

[lime edge]

U stay in stealth from vanish for 0.1 seconds

[balmy condor]

SO DOES FUCKING TALON

[lime edge]

The stealth part doesnt matter is what im saying

[frosty cedar]

vanish imp gar is literally dude pops a smoke bomb and gets ur neck with real nasty wire

[lime edge]

Talon gets like 3 seconds

[placid wave]

i mean if you go pvp it does

i dont even understand wtf you're saying

you want to stealth from the mobs

[balmy condor]

yeah 3 seconds if he doesn't use it to fucking one shot the carry, on an assassin

[placid wave]

but also want to do dmg to them

[primal parrot]

ive stealthed my way to whispyrs wardrobe a few times

[placid wave]

insanity

[primal parrot]

pretty easy

[lime edge]

I never said I wanted to

Im literally agreeing with u

[lime edge]

Stealth in combat isnt a thing

In wow

[balmy condor]

the whole point of talon R is pop for damage, go Q a thing to get to a guy, pop out of stealth

[lime edge]

My phone is at 4%

[balmy condor]

me when I'm literally a dumbass

what are we doing

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-nelson-the-simpson-bee-hive-raking-gif-5473428

[primal parrot]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HFKAkF3XkAAdJ4g.mp4

[lime edge]

Maybe in pvp

Thats about it

[radiant raven]

That poor pig

[balmy condor]

wait I can pre-fire this

[thorn thorn]

Shax really gotta get a longer rake or something idk

[balmy condor]

"shadow dance isn't stealth"

I'm gonna kms

[royal lantern]

ai slop

[primal parrot]

yeah it would be so fun if that happened to a pig irl instead wouldnt it

[thorn thorn]

its real

i was the pig

[radiant raven]

Damn

[royal lantern]

i thought you are a thumb sized spider

[balmy condor]

why is this the argument

[thorn thorn]

I reincarnated as a thumb sized spider

[balmy condor]

you're implying it would be fun because it happened to a fake pig

[thorn thorn]

I was that pig before

[balmy condor]

[primal parrot]

yeah it is fun because it isnt a real pig

[balmy condor]

weird that you enjoy seeing that

[thorn thorn]

whispyr no

dont

[balmy condor]

but good on you I guess

[thorn thorn]

he doesnt deserve it

[radiant raven]

I don't think I can find the fun in hurting an animal

[thorn thorn]

he doesnt know any better

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's fake so that makes everything better

it just looks real

that's the fun

I think

[thorn thorn]

I can if its giving dogs a lemon slice and watching them react to it

[balmy condor]

idk actually

[frosty cedar]

I step out of this meme discussion 2 minutes and now we talkin bout pigs

[radiant raven]

That poor fake pig

[thorn thorn]

Actually giving animals lemons in general is a hilarious thing to see

And to think people eat lemons for enjoyment

[primal parrot]

ai bad
or something
idk

[radiant raven]

Lemon risotto goes hard

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-5729519643019198697

This lowkey my favorite one

[balmy condor]

correct, yes

[thorn thorn]

I like a lot of lemon things

lemon bars, lemoncello cake

[radiant raven]

Lemon ice-cream is great

[thorn thorn]

havent had actually

[weary stump]

my pfp

[radiant raven]

Esp on a very hot day

[thorn thorn]

[weary stump]

its a lime but still

[thorn thorn]

Have yall seen a camel eat a lemon

A lime is close enough

[weary stump]

lime dog is an ancient youtube video so i had to put it in gif form when discord released gif pfps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdrY7kXv7Bg

[thorn thorn]

Keeps trying to eat it

💀

[radiant raven]

That's me and cheese

[untold flume]

Did we just get a stealth patch or something. Just saw an article on void priest bug that showed top class damage and assassin rogues were 3 over all.

[balmy condor]

we didn't get anything

we're just good

[haughty flicker]

that was also damage to bosses

which assa was already that high on

[untold flume]

Gotcha

[royal lantern]

assa does kinda good boss dmg

and also like

assa sucks for the aoe in this raid

so people that play assa just ignore aoe stuff and slam boss

[open mantle]

thats what i was thinking assa is so bad in aoe raid

kinda sucks

[haughty flicker]

they used damage to bosses bc its makes for a better picture than showing damage and it (spriest) being 20% behind devourer

[open mantle]

just saw charts for raid is assa actually insane ?

[balmy condor]

big boss damage

[frosty cedar]

Assa is good if your a knower

[open mantle]

kinda wanna try it

[balmy condor]

go for it

[frosty cedar]

send it buddy

[haughty flicker]

or dont

dont let them pressure you

[proper rain]

always send it

[storm forum]

No matter how much ur raid lead wants you to kill adds, know in your heart that we never swap off boss.

[fallow canopy]

Just put vanish on R, problem solved

[gray raven]

Playing spatter on midnight falls?

[balmy condor]

for p1 adds yeh

[open mantle]

hm

[trim cairn]

bro out here linking 44s of damage meters

[stable pasture]

@midnight mist why did you drop gm and dancing steel in MC?

[balmy condor]

yeah @midnight mist why did you

[stable pasture]

oh im in assa chennel lol

[balmy condor]

[onyx veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-battle-droid-intruders-invaders-trespassers-gif-22136581

[midnight mist]

i didnt

nice try tho

[proper rain]

the sound of your profile pic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0HTwQjMr9k

[stable pasture]

i saw u did lol

[flint tusk]

Did you feel your IQ rising just existing in here?
Is that how you noticed? You became self aware?

[stable pasture]

on raiderio u did

[midnight mist]

raider io

[stable pasture]

maybe bugged idk

ah ok fair

i was like

why the fk does he want

no damage

looool

[midnight mist]

i removed all the aoe talents

because in high keys

st is more important

ask @balmy condor

[stable pasture]

but the st gain

[sharp viper]

ALL OF EM?!

[stable pasture]

is like

4k dps

or less

[midnight mist]

all of them

[balmy condor]

TRUE!

[midnight mist]

4% st gain

[stable pasture]

[midnight mist]

50% aoe loss

worth it in my book

bosses need to die

[stable pasture]

[balmy condor]

there are previous r1 assa rogues that would've done that

unnamed

[flint tusk]

How to identify an outlaw player besides when they shout that they play outlaw?

they

type

like

this

[stable pasture]

fast brains

sorry

[sharp viper]

[stable pasture]

[spring creek]

thats more of a league player thing i think

[stable pasture]

the profile pic

shows

i play

law

[sharp viper]

gotta have subway surfers as PIP on screen at all times to maintain focus

(one of our fury warriors is like that)

[royal lantern]

the diagramm is a circle or something like that

[thorn thorn]

Does their name start with ze and end with rose with 2 s and no E

[balmy condor]

no

[royal lantern]

zero chance it was that

[balmy condor]

yeah

ZERO chance

[thorn thorn]

truly

zero chance i was right

[balmy condor]

you're not right

[snow kindle]

i enjoy sin on M Lura I feel like I will ascend p3+

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr

[vast shuttle]

what is more worth cloak with crit and vers or hero cloak with crit haste?

[royal lantern]

sim

[thorn thorn]

I have decided me and Chancel are gonna run double rogue

[pearl folio]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[pearl folio]

is this spreadsheet updated for assa?

i think have 289 weapons

[humble verge]

real

[severe meadow]

7,8 tys

[royal lantern]

who the fuck watches bellular

srsly mate

you are the joke there

[sharp viper]

yeah but

what if bellular has a point

[lethal turtle]

Chode content

[buoyant herald]

When your worst enemy makes a good point 🥲

[knotty escarp]

He click baits so hard, super annoying lol

[pliant maple]

did you find out if it was updated

[balmy condor]

it is

although I'm sure whatever it is you're looking for is probably not going to be in there

[thorn thorn]

What if my balls had a point

[coral ibex]

they do

thats were pee is stored

[buoyant herald]

Then you should go get it checked out by a doctor

[spice spire]

The point of the balls is piss

[coral ibex]

https://youtu.be/pKQp61e94VE

[spice spire]

God bless

[coral ibex]

hows it hanging quake

[spice spire]

Bit to the left my monarch, how about you

[balmy condor]

the only way your balls would have a point is if you got some bitches

[thorn thorn]

this is true

[low hare]

finally lol

broke 100k sim lolol

[coral ibex]

likewise bro, left is law

🤝

[spice spire]

Preach.
Right hangers 👉 🚪

[strange onyx]

Crazy style

[balmy condor]

is mac and cheese a fork or a spoon

[haughty flicker]

its a food

[spice spire]

Depends on the pasta itself

Traditional is fork, it if you get like kraft I could see the value in a spoon

[balmy condor]

if I told you I'm making mac and cheese, you should have some

are you grabbing a fork

[spice spire]

Ye

[balmy condor]

interesting

I think mac and cheese is firmly in spoon territory

to the point where if you give me a fork I might make a face

[onyx scroll]

Depends on noodle size

If you are eating small noodles it’s a spoon. Large is fork

[balmy condor]

for me its more about the cheese

like you're just leaving cheese on the table with a fork

[onyx scroll]

That makes sense too

I think that Mac and cheese goes both ways

[sharp viper]

amount of cheese sauce and consistency defines the cutlery choice

[balmy condor]

although I guess I can see the argument of mac and cheese as a side dish

cause like I'm not gonna put down my fork

to pick up a spoon

for my mac and cheese

[sharp viper]

cause you're the main dish and also dessert :3

[balmy condor]

so like, if it's just mac and cheese as the main dish

I'm spoon

but if it's a side, I'm gonna use whatever I was already using

[sharp viper]

chop sticks

[balmy condor]

mac and cheese as a side dish at the sushi restaurant

would go hard

[tight ginkgo]

what kinda mac and cheese we talkin bout tho

[sharp viper]

soy sauce in mac and cheese goes hard tbh

[tight ginkgo]

like grandma southern casserole style?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[tight ginkgo]

eating blue box mac with chopsticks

would be torture

[sharp viper]

tbh mac and cheese needs a refreshing side dish like a nice and light cucumber salad

[haughty flicker]

now i want mac and cheese

fuck

[balmy condor]

call me mac the way I got the cheese

[sharp viper]

we got @midnight mist and cheese

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/tiktok-dog-awkward-dog-confused-awkward-confused-dog-gif-2881577801438605193

[quiet star]

ffs

[sharp viper]

or is it zac and frommage

[quiet star]

why at night I got worst party in my life

[fallow canopy]

What type of cheese usually goes on mac and cheese?

[tight ginkgo]

is it pedicure time whispyr? forbidden parmesan

[quiet star]

and in the morning there is the most powerhouse players

[balmy condor]

cheddar, monterey jack

uh

gruyiere or whatever

the cheese is more of a vibe thing

[sharp viper]

one of the greatest cheeses

[balmy condor]

just throw a bunch of shit together

[sharp viper]

fucking swiss masterpiece of dairy culture

[tight ginkgo]

when i make my stovetop version i just use a shitton of sharp cheddar with cavatappi noodles

[balmy condor]

I'm more of a havarti guy

[tight ginkgo]

cavatappi = goated shape for mac

[fallow canopy]

So basically whatever cheese is available?

Interesting

[sharp viper]

too large of a pasta shape for me, I prefer mini penne rigati OR ditaloni rigati

[balmy condor]

kinda, but it's gotta be at least cheddar

but you can mix it however you like

[fallow canopy]

Is it like just the one type or people usually mix different types of cheese?

[sharp viper]

too boring imo

[balmy condor]

it's a mix

[fallow canopy]

Ah i see

The mac and cheese tech hasnt gone this far south

[haughty flicker]

what

do you live in Antarctica

[sharp viper]

it's pasta with cheese sauce

[fallow canopy]

I mean, yeah but at least from my experience people from the us always talk about mac and cheese like its the thing. Here bolognese, carbonara or like putanesca style are more common

[haughty flicker]

those are all just fancy mac and cheese

[fallow canopy]

yeah but like you could tell I'm ignorant about what entails a mac and cheese dish lol

[sharp viper]

they don't have a lot of historical cuisine sooooo

it's like brits portraying curry as their best national dish

[fallow canopy]

it sounds fire I just didn't know like what exactly it was

[sharp viper]

there are some youtube videos you can check out about mac and cheese recipes

often times they refer to the Kraft cheese powder boxed meal thing as the only mac and cheese

this kinda stuff

but there are more elaborate recipes for a similar dish using fresh ingredients

[balmy condor]

he lives in south america somewhere

[fallow canopy]

yep on an island on the north side of venezuela

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

you're welcome btw

[thorn thorn]

Mac and cheese is spoon only

And if I see you grabbing a fork I will poke you with it

[marsh fjord]

I ate mac and cheese today and i have diaree do with that information what ever you want but i just had to share it.

[haughty flicker]

you lost the right to opinions about food yesterday

[fallow canopy]

interesting

[sharp viper]

but you only got a spoon and I have the fork

[thorn thorn]

Too bad im sharing them anyway

[sharp viper]

who is gonna do the poking now

[thorn thorn]

I dont have to take this from someone that eats sour dirt cake

[sharp viper]

what did he say

[thorn thorn]

I am trained in weapons

And by that

I have a spoon

[fallow canopy]

were you the one shittalking tiramisu recently?

[haughty flicker]

hates cannoli and tiramisu

[thorn thorn]

Yes

[fallow canopy]

never meet your heroes

[sharp viper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/simpsons-knifey-spooney--k01KQ0WN8F8JPX24XM9DQ6KDZV6

[thorn thorn]

Bro if I was your hero who hurt you

There are way better people to look up to

[sharp viper]

ban that guy right now

[fallow canopy]

get buddy

[thorn thorn]

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr finds my incompetence too amusing

[sharp viper]

he has to, if he would ban us for incompetence, he would be all alone

[thorn thorn]

whipped cream tube

[haughty flicker]

imagine thinking thats a bad thing

[fallow canopy]

ikr

[thorn thorn]

If I wanted cream in a tube a dessert is not where I would be getting it

[thorn thorn]

Or even worse

Have to deal with people who arent even funny incompetent

And just incompetent

[radiant aspen]

ehh touching grass wasnt that bad

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-leaf-peaceful-1AE8LbiGWJHjXXjEU7

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor

[balmy condor]

!ban @strange python spam

thanks

[thorn thorn]

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hyperrpg-twitch-hyper-rpg-LYtXuNoTh2tXUWipuM

[normal mist]

so

about bonus rolls being fixed

[zinc frost]

Did you use a roll prefix?

[normal mist]

a what

[haughty flicker]

pre fix

[normal mist]

yeah

[haughty flicker]

before they fixed the bug

then its working as intended

[normal mist]

on the ring

[haughty flicker]

rolls from before the fix didnt remove items from the pool

that wasnt changed retroactively

[normal mist]

now im stuck waiting for them to give me back a charge

[haughty flicker]

yes

[zinc frost]

Yeah at least you didnt get 3 shoulders though

[haughty flicker]

[pearl folio]

i mean, the other sims are using 298 weapons

[balmy condor]

yeah, so are the assa ones

well

single target at least

I didn't check the dungeon one to be fair

but like, dungeon sims xdd

[sick smelt]

Will garrote benefit from deathmark if you use it after dm? or do we want bleeds and all that up before casting dm?

[balmy condor]

both

[limber grail]

Sin is cooked

[storm forum]

Always has been

[quiet star]

so is assa still best m+ key spec for rogue?

on warcraftlogs there not a lot of info, but 1 day statistic looks nice

[humble verge]

has someone gotten their cores refunded

[quiet star]

nope

[humble verge]

GM said he got his back

[quiet star]

hmmm

[humble verge]

but im pretty sure he used em in raid

[thorn thorn]

Apparently some EU people getting them

[humble verge]

[quiet star]

I used one in delve, and used second one in m+

[humble verge]

on main

[pliant maple]

!aoe

!faq

[quiet star]

We are so back

[pearl folio]

u get again from bliz?

[quiet star]

yep

hopefully wouldn't waste it in delve again

[pearl folio]

like, i dont receive any duplicated item, i suposse to have?

i used day 22 at 12:17

[zinc frost]

a delve!?

[quiet star]

30iq move

[thorn thorn]

bro?

[quiet star]

if you use it before fix - yes

that's why a lot of people crying

because someone get drop and will get extra drop

but I think there is no other way to resolve this situation

anything "smarter" will take much more time for blizzard, and time is progression in this game

[rugged basalt]

@stuck lodge good luck on da raid lol

[stuck lodge]

This M chim pug? Gonna be rough xD

[rugged basalt]

hahaha

its not often i see familiar names in the groups

[gray raven]

no joy yet - are you EU?

[stuck lodge]

are you in here?

[quiet star]

Yep

[short basin]

did u get them in the mail?

I got mail for blizz about them but no tokens attatched

[haughty flicker]

check your currency tab, stuff like that often just gets auto added on login instead of actually being with the mail

[royal lantern]

holy fuck man

i just had one of THOSE keys when i just wanted to fill the vault

its honestly incredible how bad some players can be

[gray raven]

Any NA players have their voidcores yet?

[coral ibex]

no

[thorn thorn]

We had a tank from ragnaros in a 12 spire who started with what was very clearly a macro telling us to use interrupts, let him get aggro, use cc etc

Then had the most fuck ass awful route I have ever seen

One pack at a time

[royal lantern]

its not that its just

Lack of basically EVERYTHING

[thorn thorn]

A route so bad that we nearly depleted cuz we wasted time on shit pulls

[royal lantern]

like, things happening that i dont even know how they can happen

how can a healer be oom after every single pack

like, legit 4% mana when the tank does single pack pulls

[thorn thorn]

holy priest?

[royal lantern]

no, druid

[thorn thorn]

Lemme see their healing breakdown

[royal lantern]

didnt log that shit

im not logging frking weekly +10 runs man

[thorn thorn]

they had to have been spamming raw regrowths

But honestly

If you get an rdruid in your key

It is a leave group angle

I have had exactly zero good experiences with pug rdruids

Spec isnt even shit rn

People just suck at it

[drifting cloud]

thats just keys between 10-14 you can literally get people that might have gotten title before

or people that are clickers with obr

[fallow canopy]

weekly key roulette

[haughty flicker]

ngl i swear 10s are safer than 12s

ive had way more shitters when ive decided to do 12s for weeklies instead of 10s

[ornate jetty]

Nothing against the design of our CDs, but at the back of my mind, I always wondered if this type of change will ever happen to deathmark, a player buff instead of a target debuff. :’)

[dusky zenith]

yo, is Caustic Spatter receive double value of mastery due to mastery buffing our nature damage and CS is nature dmg itself?

[zinc frost]

Did you get your bonus rolls refunded yet?

[normal mist]

eu here, i didnt

[buoyant herald]

OCE here, also no

[haughty flicker]

i have not

[balmy condor]

no

[quiet star]

guys, stupid quesiton, my main hand should be with higher weapon attack right?

[stuck lodge]

ilvl

[quiet star]

so main hands counts for scales?

[stuck lodge]

ability dmg calculated from mainhand

[quiet star]

thx

[balmy condor]

I'm scared, why are our hands different speeds

[normal mist]

hes playing classic

[quiet star]

nah I just checking can I use myth dagger in outlaw spec

[balmy condor]

try that and tell me how it works

[fallow canopy]

dagger can't shoot bullets

[quiet star]

something tells me you already know answer

[misty holly]

does whispyr maintain sims for classic too?

[balmy condor]

something tells me you've never tried casting outlaw abilities with a dagger in your main hand

[quiet star]

still, it looks like only mutilate locked to daggers now

it's funny

[stuck lodge]

pretty sure they straight up don't let you lol

[balmy condor]

I just threw up a little thanks

[quiet star]

nah, idea was to use it in off hand ofc

[balmy condor]

oh well yeh

[quiet star]

just wasn't sure how scale works for two weapons

[balmy condor]

you use a dagger in offhand

cause poisons aren't normalized

[quiet star]

yes, but it wouldn't give me much as I see

so I still need some good mainhand

[loud niche]

How can i sim AA stat boosts?

[balmy condor]

you can't

you take crit

[balmy condor]

well yes, you need a slow mainhand to cast abilities in the first place

you can't cast things with a dagger in your main hand on outlaw

[loud niche]

for other specs/classes, should you just stat sim?

[thorn thorn]

Its not the same stats for each spec

[balmy condor]

should ask the experts there what stat to take

[thorn thorn]

Mastery at least isnt

[quiet star]

I know, idea was if game somehow scales from two weapons, I can take myth offhand, some hero mainhand and it should be ok

but it wouldn't

[balmy condor]

it is ok

but yes

damage is calculated from mainhand only

[quiet star]

also I didn't really test

but it looks like assa can do aoe rotation without dagger in main hand

like what

[onyx veldt]

[quiet star]

that's me and pos search

void assaults requires ton of time to get hero item

so m+ still the best

[vital flicker]

@balmy condor why they casting PI on the assassination rogue?

[balmy condor]

brainrot idk

[thorn thorn]

Charge them for the carry

[pearl folio]

u guys receive the rolls back?

[pulsar coral]

my paladin did but my rogue didn't

my rogue spent one on Tuesday night, got 0 back

my paladin spent 2 on Wednesday and got 2 back

[pearl folio]

u used when

[pulsar coral]

one on tuesday night on the rogue

two on wednesday day time on paladin

but no refund for roguer

[pearl folio]

u think i can receive?

[vital flicker]

I am wondering if I will get a reroll back because I used one before it was fixed but I also took an extra roll from the vault

[balmy condor]

if you clicked the button before 8pm PDT / 5am CET, you should get a refund

[pearl folio]

so the print who i send is 12:17 this is from pdt right?

[balmy condor]

no clue what timezone that is

[pearl folio]

brazil

i think its fine so

[balmy condor]

if it's 12:17 then you're good

[pearl folio]

ty whispyr ❤️

[slate wedge]

is it possible to track implacable in cdm?

mine keeps dissapearing

[balmy condor]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it without an addon. It can mostly be ignored without losing more than ~0.8%

If you'd like an addon to track implacable, search for Nooka Implacable or use the Curseforge Link

[slate wedge]

ty

[delicate trench]

if I havent recied yet that means I am not getting it right ? or are they like slowly rolling it out ? used 2 on chim on wed 10pm est

[balmy condor]

it's a slow rollout

[knotty vapor]

sub or assass for m+?

15's and 16's

[supple narwhal]

although i may get laughed at fore this Q, i am reading i want to use crimson tempest to spread my bleeds and fan of knives as my builder so i dont touch crimson tempest at all until i need to refresh or is there ever a time i am spamming it? sometimes i do this but i am just now learnign and getting the hang of sin

[balmy condor]

crimson tempest and fan of knives are both builders in aoe

crimson tempest takes priority if there are mobs in the pack that do not have bleeds

if everything has bleeds, you fan of knives

you'd still spend with envenom

[supple narwhal]

TY

[quiet star]

does assa have any variations in builds now? or mainly it's fatebound vs deathstalker only?

[coral ibex]

[gray raven]

Nice! Was this just now?

[coral ibex]

just logged in yea

[plain thistle]

yup, just got mine

[coral ibex]

i spent mine on tuesday

[gray raven]

You took vault though/

didn't spend 3

[coral ibex]

no i didnt take one from vault

[plain thistle]

but did a pit a few hour ago and got the neck again, so for me its a true refund

[coral ibex]

i spent 2 on myth chim

got the wrong trinket

[gray raven]

oof

[onyx veldt]

ouch

[coral ibex]

its ok i got 1 of the 2 myth guidons off averzian

now i have 3 myth trinkets

[gray raven]

no mail yet 🙁

[jolly stirrup]

Damn, no better feeling to oversleep for just 10 MINUTES, and the tram deciding: "well we are gonna punish you for this and have the tram you COULD have taken NOT COME, take an Uber you fat fuck"

[balmy condor]

don't play deathstalker pls

[waxen oyster]

i will try it for science

(aka hate myself)

[quiet star]

almost sure I will try at some point, before dropping the game

and will drop because deathstalker is shit

win - win condition

also I played it a bit in tww1

it looks like pretty same, but mark makes it better really, at least I can decide something without triggering 3 spenders

[waxen oyster]

tww fatebound griefed itself

[sand jewel]

!bugs

[jolly stirrup]

We dont have that here

Check pinned messages

[upper spear]

does this get me title?

[knotty vapor]

pretty sure u need at least 3400

[onyx veldt]

finally

[balmy condor]

3400, then top 1% and top 0.1%

which right now in EU is 3400, 3535, 3738

[upbeat sail]

how can you check it

[balmy condor]

https://mplus-title.vercel.app/mn-season-1

[upbeat sail]

thanks ❤️

[bitter whale]

god roll voidcore rolls

[jolly stirrup]

2 before Bug fix, one after?

[bitter whale]

yes....

[jolly stirrup]

[pulsar coral]

my bonus roll finally arrived

[buoyant herald]

must have a long back

[onyx veldt]

LOL

[radiant raven]

Should let us convert cloaks into carpets

[bitter whale]

gonna sew them together and hit the runway

[little tulip]

leech helps a whole lot

waow

[onyx veldt]

wait i got a BR back even tho i only used one?

so basically got neck for free

[golden loom]

wish this was on DH or DK instead

[glass fulcrum]

https://open.spotify.com/album/3Ar4ALlUUzNgfIIqDyypya?si=wQAfoowfTc204cr-OByOMQ

[upper spear]

sorry guys i was kidding

69

[sweet sphinx]

does crimson tempest spread internal bleeding?

it feels like Canny strikes is better (in m+) than Internal bleeding but im not sure

[golden loom]

[dense cedar]

👏

[sweet sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-uncle-joe-show-orgasmic-orgasm-gif-15637999

[indigo mulch]

Do you get myth items if you bonus roll in m+?

[onyx veldt]

10+

[golden loom]

If you roll in 10 and above ye

[indigo mulch]

I'm spending all of my bonus rolls in aa then I guess

[balmy condor]

[bronze plover]

hi i just got online and received [Nebulous Voidcore] 1x while i used all of my 3 before 1x on AA and 2x on chimaerus

is it hotfix or sth?

[indigo mulch]

Why are you still here? Don't you belong in the outlaw channel!

I've seen your betrayal

[balmy condor]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-will-refund-nebulous-voidcore-bonus-rolls-in-the-coming-days-381366?utm_source=discord-webhook

[golden loom]

good system (catalyzed bracers and cloak for transmog), 4 AA items in a week

[balmy condor]

rolling AA

[magic summit]

Will it be Refund to everyone and we get more rolls this week or is it a if you got more then 1 of the same thing you got Refunded

[golden loom]

only pit item that would be useful is ring

[balmy condor]

did you read the article at all

[magic summit]

Dyslexic not on my PC for Voice to text

[balmy condor]

they're refunding every core that was spent during the bugged timeframe, regardless of result

[golden loom]

So it was either AA or Chimerus but I would rather get Gaze from vault to save crests

[balmy condor]

makes sense

[magic summit]

Ah cool think I spent after win win

[balmy condor]

the fix was 8pm PDT wednesday, 5am CET thursday

so anything spent before that got refunded

[magic summit]

Friday for more then sick I won't get a refund

[balmy condor]

yeh

[normal mist]

ok good

[grim jay]

its kinda ironic how they fixed festering scythe the way they shouldve fixed deathstalkers mark

but its not thematic for rogues

[warm parcel]

Dont take our first victory in this xpac away. Dk been a shitshow lmao.

Honestly their track recors this patch has been quite something.

[grim jay]

dont wanna take anything away, just wanna share the good things

[warm parcel]

Ik

Its such a great feeling change

Both qol and straight up more dmg

[indigo mulch]

I mean dk is pretty much the only melee people want tho

For their non-raid buff they bring.

[warm parcel]

Nah surv is great. Rogue poison takes a spot. Ret takes a spot.

[rugged sphinx]

!macros

[onyx veldt]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-macros-addons

[sharp viper]

the one (1) macro they have on there doesn't even work with puzzlebox

[onyx veldt]

IKR

AHAHAH

[indigo mulch]

Does cast sequence still work?

[onyx veldt]

oh i thought it had ligh's potential on that too rip

[gilded sapphire]

Fury warrior detected

Get outed

[onyx veldt]

im a sin player

[subtle tundra]

you a LOSER then

[onyx veldt]

true

[subtle tundra]

im kidding haha

[open mantle]

so assa is pumping in raid atm i see

[subtle tundra]

where do you see

[open mantle]

just saw charts could be tripping

[lime lantern]

is anyone else experiencing feeling of input lag in bl pulls and have you found that adjusting spellqueuewindow has helped?

[grim jay]

kinda sounds like your pc cant handle the settings

with people pumping out skills

[lime lantern]

not the case, have had this issue with 2 PCs and current one being 9850x3d+9070xt

[frosty cedar]

am I losing my mind or did you post this exact same comment like 12 hours ago

[open mantle]

@frosty cedar most likely or maybe not

[jolly stirrup]

#assassination message

Almost

[open mantle]

just tryna promote assa so ppl play it

using mind games

[frosty cedar]

[vast shuttle]

who do i focus on vanguard

cause i always fuck up the first seconds

of the fight

[frosty cedar]

HC or myth? On myth whomsoever your raid leader tells you to

[open mantle]

hc i focus mid always

then use cleave to apply and just do that

[subtle tundra]

he asked first seconds

[vast shuttle]

HC

[subtle tundra]

the ret pala has a damage increase on him

and is always your prio on pull

[frosty cedar]

First seconds go on the ret pala

🙏

[open mantle]

isnt it nice we can finally kill npc palas

blizzard knows what we want

[clear ingot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wYdbhrGvtANaQz1B?fight=6&type=damage-done

Is there a consensus on holding DM/KB if either one is out of sync, or the current pull is too small to feel worth pressing i.e. 4-5 mobs when pull after is 10?

I posted my last key if it helps but I always get terrible % of good casts on analyzer because of this syncing business, cheers!

[marble hemlock]

if i could, id just yeet the macros page for assa entirely

[subtle tundra]

inconsiderate.

[sharp viper]

are you the one responsible seli?

[marble hemlock]

Yes

Blame the box, not me

[sharp viper]

not blaming you

[quiet star]

man, 11 maisara - no people in search

how hard this season fucked up

[autumn sierra]

How do I open in first BL pull in MC for example? How would I do most damage? I didnt find an opener in Wowhead… maybe I am blind? 😄

[autumn sierra]

Oh hi Seli! Are you still streaming keys?🤭

[quiet star]

also why our blind can't do affix?

[marble hemlock]

i havent streamed in 2 or 3 years. im barely playing the game atm

[spice surge]

If you blind a mob next to the orbs it will work

[quiet star]

hmmm

very straightforward

[spice surge]

But yes if you target an orb the orb disappears before the aoe goes through so it only hits your target

[quiet star]

thx

if I have boss for example

will it work that way?

[spice surge]

yes

[quiet star]

great

[analog field]

I had an issue with big mobs being immune to blind it was like it didn't get of the aoe but I think it is an affix issue mostly

[open mantle]

im not pro assa but i improv garr get to 5 combo points spend on rupture improve again before it drops tempest until 5 stacks envemom then pop cds i do big dmg like i said dont trust me on my rotate i retar

[normal mist]

big mobs usually can't be blinded, therefore it wont spread

[turbid harbor]

i think you'd like current assa in m+

what better time to make a comeback

[open mantle]

i hope assa gets a huge buff soon i find it way more fun then sub

[analog field]

Yeah but I am not sure it should work like that. Also answer to the above convo where the guy asked about boss

[marble hemlock]

itll never be as good as legion/bfa, sorry.

manual dotting > automated dotting

[turbid harbor]

yeah this feels a bit more manual than the last expansions but still not really

[runic hinge]

you sound like varas, are you secretly?

[lime lantern]

i'm overcapping energy continously in big BL pulls, is it normal or am i having lag/input lag issue that is slowing down my rotation?

[marble hemlock]

im not secretly a question mark, no

[spice surge]

Its just a certified unc assa opinion

[subtle tundra]

we need you back...

[spice surge]

(its also my opinion)

[marble hemlock]

unc gang

[open mantle]

lag has been happening but just keep spamming envenom on 5 stacks that what i do

[subtle tundra]

he is more og than me 🙁

[spice surge]

@@unc@@@

[marble hemlock]

since i have you here already

if you died, would you prefer to be taxidermied, or stored in different jars?

[lime lantern]

im not droppin envenom during these pulls but still energy gets overcapped nonstop

[subtle tundra]

cremated + sniffed by my dearest

[open mantle]

wdym ur not dropping envenom

[marble hemlock]

put the ashes in a little vial around the neck, then snort a line once in a while?

i wonder how long thatd last

[lime lantern]

not dropping envenom buff for apex regen

[subtle tundra]

when they need clarity in life, they do a line of me

[spice surge]

Snorting a cremated family member is certainly something thats possible

[subtle tundra]

instant brilliance achieved

[open mantle]

i mean u do u but i find spending it alot easier not capping for me personally

[lime lantern]

no u are misunderstanding, thers 0 reason to drop envenom buff in these pulls when im alrdy overcapping energy

[clever gust]

In big pulls it's normal y

In even bigger bull there is a point where you can almost spam CT always

[lime lantern]

thanks this is what i was wondering

[clever gust]

And still not use your tea

[lime lantern]

isnt CT worse dmg than just fok and overcap energy?

[clever gust]

Well in big pull like AA your almost always spreading

[lime lantern]

true but let's say windspire first pull with BL, u dont need to spread nonstop

[clever gust]

But other than the bleed idk really, ct does benefit from exec, mastery ...

[spice surge]

Sure, but CT does more damage than fok

[clever gust]

yy

[spice surge]

So if youre overcapping

No reason not to use ct

[clever gust]

And you can't anyway

[lime lantern]

ok thanks, gotta just keep spamming CT then

[clever gust]

Not mindlessly so

[lime lantern]

also what is the threshold in aoe pulls where reapplying imp garrote over normal garrote for 2nd dots rotation becomes worth it? like mob hp 15,20,30% left?

[serene condor]

Are we all running deadly poison for m+ builds?

[clever gust]

I usually reapply during deathmark

Since your get ouf stealth early

[lime lantern]

wdym?

[clever gust]

To pre bleed everything

[spice surge]

!poison

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[clever gust]

Usually wou will start to dot targets 10 sec before everything is packed

Add to that box cast time

And your first imp garrote is already close to the end

So just reapplying it while vanishing just after deathmark is often worth it

[lime lantern]

ah yea i got that part. i was referring to not spamming midnlessy CT when otherwise overcapping energy. Is there something im missing because wouldnt it makes sense spam it as long as u stay in moderate amounts of energy?

[clever gust]

Ah y it's more like don't spend tea charges for nothing

But CT will ALWAYS be worth if you have bleed to spread

Regardless of your energy

And regardless of mob hp

[lime lantern]

but still even if u have no bleeds to spread it is better than fok if u would be overcapping energy?

[clever gust]

There is not a single case where your not spreading just reaply even if mobs are low

You will get value from internal bleeding and stuff

And if you are overcaping

[rose canopy]

are requiring to use daggers for assas a thing of the past ?

[clever gust]

And won't lose a tea charge

Press ct y

Whatever the situation is

[lime lantern]

ok so let me get this straight. im at let's say spire 1st pack bl pull. all dots are spread, im overcapping energy, no pandemic window available yet. Should I just spam CT here or at this point refresh dots despite no pandemic and then start CT?

as context, level is m18 so mobs live quite a bit

[clever gust]

You would spread all your bleeds and then you would spam ct till energy is not a problem

You still refresh only during pandemic

And at the point where you used one tea charge

You start thinking

Between fok and ct

That's the only real minmax you can do

But spire you won't spam ct

Because not enough adds

So not enough energy > fok become viable

[little shoal]

anyone know whats best to craft first for pvp using galactic heraldry

[lime lantern]

except when about to overcap energy, got it! thanks for clarifying :)!

[runic hinge]

ask in #pvp

[open mantle]

crafting ur offset is rlly good but just check murkio for it

[pure flame]

Hello, sorry if this is a noob question but do you play around the tea charges to save some for when deathmark/kingsbane is available? Or is it okay to use them automatically whenever they are up?

[balmy condor]

let them auto proc

[balmy condor]

assassination requires two daggers to cast mutilate

[clever gust]

Auto proc y, that's degen minmax to keep them

I tend to just try to keep one or two in aoe situation

To help me setup faster on next pack

Or blast in st

[balmy condor]

ain't even worth it

[royal lantern]

ignore tea exists

[balmy condor]

so much brain power for zdps

[royal lantern]

has been the case for ages now

just play and when tea procs it procs

[pure flame]

Got it. Thank you!

[clever gust]

That's not more dps overall, but that's more dps at windows where want a little more hehe

But that's ferral stuff I think

[balmy condor]

I mean it's not even that

controlling it is actually just doing nothing

best case scenario is that you're spreading it out for the first 2-3 pulls of a dungeon, but then you're just locked to the cd anyway

[pure flame]

Also. Is it normal to have moments during single target where you run out of energy and have to wait for it to regen without having the envenom buff up? I feel like my single target damage is really low and I am not sure what I am doing wrong.

[balmy condor]

I've tried plenty of holding strats for tea in sims and it's legit just not ever a gain

even in situations with like 10 mobs into 5 mobs into 3 mobs

[clever gust]

Y but I find it cool idk smoothen out energy I feel like

[balmy condor]

custom sims and everything

can't get anything to pop out

[balmy condor]

yes

well

without the envenom buff no

that's very strange

envenom is insanely turbo long

[clever gust]

More on gameplay perspective on myself I think then.
I trust you with my life Whispyr when it's about raw number haha

[balmy condor]

you'd have to almost force yourself to not press envenom in order to drop the buff in most situations

but you will run out of energy frequently, yes

[royal lantern]

by default kb/dm and tea overlap

[frosty cedar]

tea don't exist as far as I'm concerned

[clever gust]

I'm a filthy mm+ player, If I can have 2-3 tea charges when I'm comming to the boss I'm happy

Rather than sending all on packs with 10 targets where I'm swimming in energy

[royal lantern]

but why is tea used up when you "swim in energy"

[pure flame]

Oh okay, maybe I am pressing envenom too much while the buff is still running then 😅
So would it be better to sit on 5 combo points and wait before using envenom when the buff is still up as long as i dont overcap on energy?

[balmy condor]

should be able to just slam envenom with no regard for energy until you hit the max on your apex

[clever gust]

If you spam ct when everything is already dot just to get slightly more value than fok

[balmy condor]

as long as you trigger your apex, you should be able to fully ignore the buff otherwise

[frosty cedar]

you kind of just slam it unless your pooling for add spawn on dragons or dmg phase on salhadaar or something

[clever gust]

But anyway that's a no debate I agree on the fact absolutely no brain power should be used on this, I just played a lot of ferral

My energy limit end up at 50, ptsd stuff 💀

[pure flame]

Okay, so i should be able to spam it and then let the buff drop once and spam again? And that way there should be almost no downtime on the buff?

[frosty cedar]

Thats the idea

[pure flame]

Okay, I will try that again. Im still really new to rogue. Thank you guys for the help! 🙂

[green egret]

any high key pushing sin rogues have vids? i really wanna see it in action cause i feel like im doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGkBfBsSxBY

no guarantee he's actually playing correctly though

he's tracking all sorts of demon shit that I do not understand why he would track

so that scares me a bit

[subtle tundra]

does high key means he must be playing 100% correctly

[green egret]

seems pretty similar to what i do but i dont have the stats cause i just switched from sub

[spice surge]

Wdym dont have the stats, theyre the same

[green egret]

i have 90% mastery

and 18 crit

while i see most go crit and lower mastery

on the leaderboard at least

same pull on 16 i was doing 450k hes doing 600

[subtle tundra]

if you dont have exactly his stats you will do 15% less dps

[cunning needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449080055893590017/1280746470815043646/456.gif

[balmy condor]

Most of this difference is honestly going to be just the fact that he’s +2 key levels

More than the stats

[green egret]

what do you mean by that

[balmy condor]

Not that 18% crit is any good to be fair, but like

[green egret]

that mobs live longer and i get to do more?

[subtle tundra]

do you have same raid buffs

[balmy condor]

That’s not going to move a mountain

[balmy condor]

Ye

[subtle tundra]

did you pot

[wary light]

Might wanna re-check sub stat prio now bucko

[green egret]

it wasnt with a shaman

[balmy condor]

Okay well that’ll also do it

[subtle tundra]

do the mobs die at the same time

[wary light]

sir this a Christian class discord

[balmy condor]

That’s -6% already

[green egret]

no they lived a bit longer

in his vid

[spice surge]

Kb stacks and all the coin shit

[subtle tundra]

did the tank gather and stack the mobs the same way

its m+

[balmy condor]

Not having a shaman is more of a loss than any cooked secondary stats

[green egret]

no true

[balmy condor]

So

Already kinda L

[subtle tundra]

you cant compare stuff 1 to 1

unless you play at the same level as his group

[green egret]

ofc but ive not played sin since shadowlands so idk if im just messing up but seems the same

[subtle tundra]

which I soubt

[green egret]

ofc no it was a pug 😄

[balmy condor]

I started going cross eyed by the time he hit the boss it’s insane to me that he can play like that