#assassination
royal lantern
lime edge
fickle coral
it has 3-5 buttons depending on talents
lime edge
Then why do they all suck
fickle coral
oh cant speak for that lol
frosty cedar
thats just 99% of players
royal lantern
Then why do they all suck
because 99% of people you see in the game suck
lime edge
Bro u are in a discord for ur class
lime edge
Ur the 1%
fickle coral
lol
woo. time to SBA my M+
actually, dont do that, it doesnt cast crimson tempest and youll be awful
sacred oyster
thats what im hoping for as i hate AA but love pit lol. and my char has a bias to receive trinkets too
fickle coral
but its "fine" ST if you can hit deathmark when needed.
I use it for controller play on steam deck
I actively don't want to get this trinket, I have it on my monk, feels awful to use
"stand here and channel this."
slim pebble
sucking quake
@spice spire
snow kindle
What are the bad items you can roll besides the cloak in AA?
spice spire
sucking quake
spice spire
What are the bad items you can roll besides the cloak in AA?
Ring
snow kindle
the ring is bad 
fickle coral
If I'm not likely to do the mythic ver of the alnseer boss any time soon, is it worth blowing 2 rolls on it on heroic? Or just keep the rolls for M+10s
sacred oyster
rings good if you are not a myth raider and focus on M+
sacred oyster
it replaced wedding ring for me for m+
snow kindle
i feel like the only "bad" item in AA is the cloak potentially
bracers are mid, but you can cat them into crit/haste
fallen charm
/use 14 (cast puzzlebox) > alt tab play ultra high testosterone white girl music playlist on youtube > proceed to burst phase
sacred oyster
got crafted bracers though
lime edge
If I'm not likely to do the mythic ver of the alnseer boss any time soon, is it ...
Mythic solar flare prism is probably similar to heroic alnseer
fickle coral
Oh. Huh. and not 2 rolls. Ok
snow kindle
oh tru if you crafted bracers thats pretty bad
sacred oyster
/use 14 (cast puzzlebox) > alt tab play ultra high testosterone white girl music...
why macro vs just dragging the pb to your hotbar
snow kindle
i forgot about that cause I made a belt
lime edge
Raid is also only 1 roll
foggy moat
Where assa booofs <.<
coral ibex
i crafted belt too so i might just roll on AA
hidden sable
yeah, on the estimated class tuning they're saying 0% for ass... I'm bummed
fallen charm
why macro vs just dragging the pb to your hotbar
I macroed once 8 years ago, and now I don't have to drag trinkets to my bar lol
coral ibex
i was looted a heroic gaze so idk how far down on the list i am for a myth gaze
fickle coral
im waiting for data to see if Outlaw overtakes Assa on overall dmg with their 13% buff. but that talent makes you be kind of stationary so its weird
weary stump
yeah, on the estimated class tuning they're saying 0% for ass... I'm bummed
You tricks of the traded yourself into thinking they'd ever buff us
hidden sable
Yep
fallen charm
you gotta be gratefull they didn't nerf us
weary stump
Exactly
little current
do I have to complete the voidforge to access this, because I only did 2/6 of the available quests
fallen charm
as assa was TOP DMG #1 BOSS DAMAGE WOW
fallow canopy
wait no i think its def myth gaze
get ready to get your
coral ibex
do I have to complete the voidforge to access this, because I only did 2/6 of th...
yes
weary stump
We're too strong right now and I will huff that cope
snow kindle
the good part about getting that myth trinket is atleast you get free upgrades potentially
coral ibex
people cope about buffs when this is probably the most relevant statistic they use for balancing
and assa is 4th from top
little current
look at that arcane mage wtf
lime edge
topaz crow
<a:LOL:1474086101676196062>
I was just talking about siming this
weary stump
people cope about buffs when this is probably the most relevant statistic they u...
Arcane mage on top soon I believe
royal lantern
people cope about buffs when this is probably the most relevant statistic they u...
are you sure about that
sometimes not sure if they use any statistic at all
quiet star
the fact that you can change vault item for dungeon item is great
fallow canopy
it is
coral ibex
idk, just working off the fact that they make heroic raids and then nerf them to make normal/lfr and buff them to make mythic
quiet star
I guess for newcomers it easier to start from POS
fallow canopy
just another layer of bad luck protection
coral ibex
so heroic raid performance is probably their general target
quiet star
so do we know vault counts as drop from dungeon or no?
because in that case you rarely want to take vault I guess
trim cairn
people cope about buffs when this is probably the most relevant statistic they u...
If only the mythic pug community had the same mentality that would be fine
runic hinge
so heroic raid performance is probably their general target
You’re my general target
coral ibex
13-15 people in my raid still need myth gaze
holy fuck its vault or bonus roll for me
fallow canopy
I got an inside person at blizzard hq
I've been told your gaze is waiting for you on your vault dw
coral ibex
yea thats what i was told last week and i took a damn socket
runic hinge
yea thats what i was told last week and i took a damn socket
Shoulda saved for another bonus roll on gaze
runic hinge
Ez
weary stump
yea thats what i was told last week and i took a damn socket
At least going forward instead of sockets we can get the funny gamble of shit loot or gaze
runic hinge
sub got buffed its gonna be quiet in here again
slim pebble
sub got buffed its gonna be quiet in here again
I’ll keep you company bb
runic hinge
you're already teal!!!!!!!
slim pebble
you're already teal!!!!!!!
I’ve been teal for a really long time 😂
lime edge
They should make sudden demise our capstone
But make it work on poisons too
And then make enemies blow up when they die
fallow canopy
sub got buffed its gonna be quiet in here again
We can go back to horny posting
sacred oyster
And then make enemies blow up when they die
diablo style chain reaction murdering everything
slim pebble
We can go back to horny posting
Does that ever stop
wide halo
Hello fellow rogues, I am checking out the guides out there and the murlok ios and it seems that the only useful build is fatebound atm but we are getting the mark thing "fixed" right (what a fix tbh) ? Will it start to be used now?
Also, most guides seem oriented to +20s and to do maximum parse damage and not maximum funnel, is there a way I could sacrifice some damage that would actually be overkill for adds in a 13-14 and instead get something to delete that one annoying mob (triunvirate says hello) so my tank can chainpull another pack?
Thank you.
fleet whale
Does Sanguine Vial make assassin S-tier in delves?
sharp viper
Does Sanguine Vial make assassin S-tier in delves?
all the more reason to bring valeera
normal mist
Hello fellow rogues, I am checking out the guides out there and the murlok ios a...
No, it will not start to be used now
high dust
Wtf is this queue to login...
severe meadow
Like where do they land
On heroic ?
high sundial
wtf anyone else has 109 min estimated wait to log into battlenet? don't log out to try i mean
severe meadow
@thorn thorn I need help twin
warm vortex
On heroic ?
Mythic
vital flicker
No more getting your stealth broken from miles away by random shooting mobs let's go!
gleaming geyser
Mythic
left and right, then they are moved within cleave distance at the back of the room in the same spot
high dust
wtf anyone else has 109 min estimated wait to log into battlenet? don't log out ...
same
high sundial
wtf anyone else has 109 min estimated wait to log into battlenet? don't log out ...
160 min now. Don't log out of BattleNet if you are in EU at least. No way this is just on my end?
high dust
wtf anyone else has 109 min estimated wait to log into battlenet? don't log out ...
Even wow has a queue...
high sundial
oh really
severe meadow
Sick on the day of big patch 
high sundial
wide halo
No, it will not start to be used now
because of lack of damage or because too much headache?
oak ember
Since it's now realistic to be able to get the jewelry set from nexus point, does that become bis?
normal mist
Since it's now realistic to be able to get the jewelry set from nexus point, doe...
doubt
normal mist
because of lack of damage or because too much headache?
headache and fatebound overall better
check the latest channel pin
weary stump
Is this mythic? Also basically two yellow if you consider the monk stamina
normal mist
Is this mythic? Also basically two yellow if you consider the monk stamina
im a heroic andy
primal parrot
SDIYBT
thorn thorn
<@209386846365548545> I need help twin
with what bossman
thorn thorn
hidden crown
hybrid snow
I got the flu
paracetamol entered the chat
sacred oyster
damn europeans, we call it tylenol!
weary stump
I got the flu
Which peptide fixes the flu
balmy condor
Hello fellow rogues, I am checking out the guides out there and the murlok ios a...
Funny enough the builds in guides are oriented for funnel and prio damage already, that’s why there’s a sudden demise build to pad in lower keys as an alternative
sacred oyster
Funny enough the builds in guides are oriented for funnel and prio damage alread...
whats your thoughts on 12 keys, demise or normal build?
waxen oyster
balmy condor
I don’t think demise damage is real, so I’d just play normal
But I don’t think it matters
hybrid snow
damn europeans, we call it tylenol!
TIL! 😄
sacred oyster
how is it not real? it just expedites the dmg before anyone else can use another one of their spells. but my question was where do you think the cut off is that its not triggering enough to be worth it
desert crest
Rogue is even pretty good for safty with numbing
balmy condor
how is it not real? it just expedites the dmg before anyone else can use another...
The damage already exists on the mob, you’re not actually speeding up the key or “doing more”, you’re just sniping the damage out from the rest of your group and potentially removing funnel damage from mobs that didn’t pose any threat in the first place
So unless the +% bleed damage on sudden demise makes the build just straight up better, the damage sudden demise does is simply not worth considering
rugged basalt
267 minute wait timer which actually took 10 min 
balmy condor
In TWW, taking sudden demise was just strictly better because the passive damage was higher
It was just ahead, regardless of any execute
That’s not the case now
royal lantern
nerfing SD and also making pathing to it weirder was a choice for sure
vital flicker
In TWW, taking sudden demise was just strictly better because the passive damage...
Those were dark times when we did no ST damage, and had to play Deathstalker
gaunt herald
servers not even up gang
marsh fjord
In TWW, taking sudden demise was just strictly better because the passive damage...
hi pookie
balmy condor
servers not even up gang
EU is up, no?
royal lantern
EU is up, no?
negative
magic thorn
For some its up and for some not
marsh fjord
EU is up.
gaunt herald
im NA got to log in but all realms offline
rugged basalt
NA is off yes but thank god i restarted bnet 
gaunt herald
oh we got fuckinnnn 2 more hours
magic thorn
Depends if you logged out and how pleasent the que luck is
balmy condor
Yeah NA is maint
rugged basalt
i get to vault before bed
gaunt herald
rip
balmy condor
It’s a busy day!
vestal wren
https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-16258174987336597266
eu has login problems, one of our guild is > 200 minutes ^^
royal lantern
the average ravenholdt rogue player: no rogue even on the login screen
as it should be
marsh fjord
Lmaooooo
sacred oyster
the theme is dark now on char select ? or is that some kind of mod
marsh fjord
the theme is dark now on char select ? or is that some kind of mod
Yeah it the same colour as my heart
trim cairn
The damage already exists on the mob, you’re not actually speeding up the key or...
In an optimal scenario yeah for sure, but in practice it's not exactly as straight forward because the average pug tank does not have W bound and stands around waiting for current pack to die, often acting like an average at a traffic light spending several seconds reacting to the pack being dead
magic thorn
Its simple: playing rogue like it was inteded = not playing rogue
vital flicker
So is this week going to just have crazy tuning only for them to announce balancing on friday where the only thing they do is nerf the new trickster talent?
fallow canopy
hard to know for sure really
balmy condor
In an optimal scenario yeah for sure, but in practice it's not exactly as straig...
Tell that to the people complaining about chain pulls constantly
trim cairn
Tell that to the people complaining about chain pulls constantly
I'd love to swap
marsh fjord
I havent been that up to date but we still have the chain pull conversation even this season?
trim cairn
I have seen some logs with low 70% activity time
weary stump
Tell that to the people complaining about chain pulls constantly
Chain pulls are great as long as healer keeps up I don't get why people complain
Monkey see tank pull thing monkey hit bleed buttons
weary stump
True but that's a bleed button
marsh fjord
Ah its so good to be back in this discord. same shit just a different day.
onyx veldt
<:spedbruh:789311713076969502>
weary stump
sudden grotto
who complains about chain pulls in midnight
Probably the same people doing under 200k overall
royal lantern
who complains about chain pulls in midnight
yeha but improved garrote says more dmg from stealth so if i get no stealth i do 0 dmg wtf
and man
do i use my voidcores for gambling on puzzlebox or gaze
oh btw @balmy condor if you get a item from the core rolling, its vault ilvl, aka 1/6 for m+ stuff, right
candid jasper
I see on here assassination has adrenalin rush?
royal lantern
https://www.wowhead.com/news/official-patch-12-0-5-development-notes-systems-act...
they did a oopsie
coral ibex
typo
candid jasper
😄
royal lantern
doesnt it also show trickster for assa
haughty flicker
balmy condor
I havent been that up to date but we still have the chain pull conversation even...
It’s every season brother
weary stump
do i use my voidcores for gambling on puzzlebox or gaze
Puzzle box so you can dig in yo butt better
onyx veldt
does trickster do anything for assa?
idk but it looks cool
weary stump
It’s every season brother
Every day, it will never end
balmy condor
oh btw <@167090536602140682> if you get a item from the core rolling, its vault ...
Yes
frosty cedar
not even a rogue
royal lantern
Puzzle box so you can dig in yo butt better
bro im running around with a normal feather
i kinda want gaze to replace that shit allready 
onyx veldt
idk puzzle box is so annoying to use
weary stump
It fits in so well with sin rotation wdym
For sub I can agree but
On sin it's kinda great
vital flicker
It’s every season brother
Yeah but in my dslice sims it doesn't chain pull, and I just follow what the sim does to find my rotation
royal lantern
Just gamble for solar flare then
sims lower then normal plume
onyx veldt
It fits in so well with sin rotation wdym
idk im just ranting for no reason
nova inlet
ya know, i'm getting sick and tired of being declined from mythic runs simply for being a rogue...
what else can you do other than pop-off during an update. brings all the thoughts to the surface LOL
weary stump
The solutions are to swap class or play another game
royal lantern
ya know, i'm getting sick and tired of being declined from mythic runs simply fo...
what key level
weary stump
Getting into pugs shrimply is going to be a struggle
nova inlet
what key level
10+
weary stump
I get 5 min queues in 10s though tbqh, but I do subtlety for my 10 spam
weary stump
Like it doesn't take long to get invited if you're 2500+ io and rolling subtlety
royal lantern
nobody looks at class in frking +10 keys beyond "do we have BL and a CR" lol
nova inlet
hm. i don't know if it's strictly an assassination rogue thing but it's wild how often it happens or, i get accepted into a group and somebody makes a snarky comment at the end
royal lantern
what are you guys doing that this happens, yet i never saw something like that when playing almost exclusively assa since m+ is a thing 
nova inlet
weary stump
I have yet to see someone get mad at me and I even had a weapon break yesterday in a +10 
keen raven
@balmy condor https://www.wowhead.com/news/estimated-class-tuning-for-patch-12-0-5-devourer-dh-buffed-again-marks-aoe-381295
i dont think outlaw/sub r gettin nerfed
XD
nova inlet
guess i'm just that lucky...
keen raven
if theyre buffing dh/dk lmfao
balmy condor
Okay thanks for letting me know
hearty grove
Might seem like a stupid question. On big pulls, like first pack in AA, do i keep spreading bleeds with CT even though I’m at 5 cp? Or should i ct+Elvis and repeat? Feels like adds are dying before i could get me bleeds out
royal lantern
you ALWAYS use finishers when avaible
you dont just spam CT
its CT until 5+ cp ->Finisher-> repeat
not CT -> Ct -> CT -> CT
hearty grove
I see. Kinda getting screwed by GCD
royal lantern
i mean first pull AA is about the big lashers anyway
warped moon
nobody looks at class in frking +10 keys beyond "do we have BL and a CR" lol
u would be surprised!
royal lantern
u would be surprised!
if you apply to a +10 with 2,7 score i gues they do
hearty grove
So i always dump CP when at 5+
royal lantern
but then like, do your own key to get more
royal lantern
So i always dump CP when at 5+
yes
real pike
hello friends, I see PoS is recommended for bonus rolls but is this the case if we already have a mythic dagger? or do I just trinket hunt then?
royal lantern
hello friends, I see PoS is recommended for bonus rolls but is this the case if ...
not really
the pos thing is for people that dont really get mythic gear in general
if you allready have some mythic stuff and a mythic weapon, why go for it instead for trinkets
hearty grove
hello friends, I see PoS is recommended for bonus rolls but is this the case if ...
What does PoS stand for?
little current
@coral ibex can I see ur raid logs
topaz crow
Pit of sauron
hearty grove
Ah i see
balmy condor
hello friends, I see PoS is recommended for bonus rolls but is this the case if ...
I mean, everything in pit is good
You should roll for pit items if you want pit items
And chances are
You want pit items
real pike
suppose it depends how many slots from pit are mythic upgrades and how many I have already
balmy condor
People are super hell-bent on “bonus roll for weapon and trinket and nothing else”
But like
real pike
I will absolutely have to use my brain on this one
balmy condor
That’s… not really how the bonus rolls work
balmy condor
Are other slots not upgrade?
balmy condor
Sure, how many of those are you getting
balmy condor
Okay
fallow canopy
ehm
balmy condor
But you realize that gaze typically is not worth putting crests into?
I’m still sitting on my 2/6 gaze
warped moon
if you apply to a +10 with 2,7 score i gues they do
my experience is that many ppl who pug are strict
weirdly high expectations
lime edge
Whats wrong with gaze 
royal lantern
in the end its based on your own gear what you wanna roll for
lime edge
But I mainly mean puzzle
royal lantern
like, for me gaze is BIG cus my passive trinket is shit
balmy condor
Nothing wrong with gaze or puzzle
warped moon
puzzle blech
balmy condor
Well if you want myth weap then go pit what’s the problem
lime edge
I mean nothing
real pike
Nothing wrong with gaze or puzzle
hard disagree
lime edge
balmy condor
Then what are we doing
real pike
there is EVERYTHING wrong with puzzle
topaz crow
How do we feel about fishing for hero gaze vs mythic solarflare? We think its worth?
turbid sandal
Tbh I don't hate Puzzle for assa. It's balls for the other 2 specs though
warped moon
playing around puzzle is v miserable
balmy condor
How do we feel about fishing for hero gaze vs mythic solarflare? We think its wo...
Don’t fish for hero anything
warped moon
but it is strong ofc
lime edge
So is the patch up already or no
balmy condor
No
warped moon
i can walk and solve a puzzle irl
lime edge
Kk
topaz crow
Don’t fish for hero anything
Even if i have 0 chance for mythic gaze? Jc cuz i cant sim at work lol
balmy condor
Maint for another 2h
balmy condor
Even if i have 0 chance for mythic gaze? Jc cuz i cant sim at work lol
Mythic chim is puggable
But yeah idk
Maybe as an absolute last roll
topaz crow
Gotcha i can see it
thorn thorn
Whispyr do you rate overalls from logs
lime edge
This is mine
This is 6/6 mythic
And upgrading my gear as high as I can
Maybe i should disable the upgrade thing
Idk
pastel pollen
Sooo are we all going outlaw now for raids 🙁
thorn thorn
Not me actually
topaz crow
Not a single CT
topaz crow
I mean theres alot wrong here lol
coral ibex
<@137430413919387648> can I see ur raid logs
Nooj@Laughing Skull
royal lantern
Sooo are we all going outlaw now for raids 🙁
do you prog mythic lura rn, have gear for outlaw and know how to play outlaw in mythic raid level?
coral ibex
i’m extremely average
royal lantern
if no, why the hell even ask, just play what you want cus it doesnt matter for you lol
balmy condor
i’m extremely average
it's how you use it king
hard grail
If I already have the purloined ring and the neck from pit and bonus roll, does it exclude them?
coral ibex
i’m always afraid when people ask to see my logs
pastel pollen
do you prog mythic lura rn, have gear for outlaw and know how to play outlaw in ...
progressing bird and I do have gear and for the game play, ehh :S
fallow canopy
With the changes Sub is prob better than outlaw for birb
(Me when I dismantle the outlaw propaganda)
balmy condor
If I already have the purloined ring and the neck from pit and bonus roll, does ...
no
hard grail
Gotcha
balmy condor
With the changes Sub is prob better than outlaw for birb
with the changes?
are you saying outlaw was better before the changes?
fallow canopy
with the changes?
I meant since he was referencing changing due to the changes
You know I'm esl
And also I'm an idiot
pastel pollen
With the changes Sub is prob better than outlaw for birb
Yea playing assa atm, but sub will prob be better there now
balmy condor
You know I'm esl <:garf:1320173032743899157>
oh you're ESL? you're playing IEM Atlanta or IEM Cologne?
haughty flicker
fallow canopy
I'm actually am a goated CS player just don't check my WR
balmy condor
we had a guy app who wanted to play valo with some people
coral ibex
ok what’s your favorite map
fallow canopy
ok what’s your favorite map
I hate every single CS map
flint ridge
Servers up?
fallow canopy
Maybe mirage i can stomach more than the others
coral ibex
wrong answer, we would have accepted 2014 cache OR 2017 nuke
fallow canopy
But still hate it
balmy condor
Servers up?
maint is scheduled until 3pm
fallow canopy
My controversial opinion is that og valorant maps are goated compared to cs maps or at least current cs maps
balmy condor
OG valorant maps where you get wall banged through 4 layers cause it's made of plastic
fallow canopy
How did you know I'm an odin abuser
balmy condor
I can tell
runic hinge
wrong answer, we would have accepted 2014 cache OR 2017 nuke
2014 cache is the goat
fresh kelp
my desire to play cs2 was greatly diminished by the lack of cache
runic hinge
my desire to play cs2 was greatly diminished by the lack of cache
When cache comes back imma quit wow for a while
rugged basalt
I havent touched cs2 enough
runic hinge
Should be soonish
rugged basalt
i miss go lowk
runic hinge
They bought it last year
fresh kelp
When cache comes back imma quit wow for a while
is it still not back? 💀
runic hinge
No
runic hinge
Maybe after next major?
coral ibex
on the workshop
runic hinge
Yeah I have workshop version
coral ibex
just not an official map atm
rugged basalt
hows an imgraph
coral ibex
good
runic hinge
I played my friends the other week and the got smoked badly
fallow canopy
33% premier wr
gilded oasis
I played my friends the other week and the got smoked badly
ok bragging about having friends
runic hinge
Some rando added me asking about my knife today and I was rude
runic hinge
ok bragging about having friends
I know they from school they probably don’t even really like me
Just geography
gilded oasis
so tru
coral ibex
Some rando added me asking about my knife today and I was rude
100% bot
rugged basalt
my friends are grey numbers they hate playing mm with me
fallow canopy
100% bot
hey man long time no see can you trade me your knife to check it out closely
runic hinge
Play cs2
gilded oasis
im playing rumble guys
runic hinge
Okay I won’t trade you cases for your bday
onyx veldt
LMAO
fallen charm
little current
are you saying outlaw was better before the changes?
i mean
gameplay probably
its gonna feel worse to play even with higher dps
its why ive switched to sin
im not playing fartlaw
balmy condor
we were talking about belo'ren mate
rugged basalt
i have to play league
LMAO thats what im doing
coral ibex
<@137430413919387648> can I see ur raid logs
why did you ask 
ripe rapids
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
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Misc:
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manic merlin
Why is plater not recommended? Although i have a feeling i know why lol
spice spire
why did you ask <:peepers:1141894149214314646>
They think you’re cute
Why else would they ask
balmy condor
Why is plater not recommended? Although i have a feeling i know why lol
janky as shit, super bugged, harder to use, less people have profiles for it, worse performance wise
onyx veldt
oh good to know
quiet star
wtf lol
indigo mulch
They needed it. They weren't strong enough.
sonic zinc
blizzard wants udk dh aug to be the meta mplus comp
none of this demo and sin nonsense
manic merlin
cuz blizzard looks at logs and see dk play like its tww and do beans dmg and devourer dh’s thinkings its an ez class and have 0 uptime on their spells
bright turret
Bold to assume blizzard has any idea how reworking talents impacts damage at all
Getting buffed is a happy accident most of the time
indigo mulch
Yes because DK's are so bad in raids right now. Its not like you bring them constantly over pretty much any other melee.
pastel siren
May I ask, how is assa ST damage compared to other 2 specs ? Spec kit looks kinda funny, was wondering if I should invest in the background for high end content..
bright turret
Check WCL tomorrow filtered down to last 24 hours
fart cloud is changing things up a bit
indigo mulch
ST wise its doing pretty well to be honest. Not sure after 0.5 patch but it was the strongest of the 3 in term of just pure ST.
manic merlin
Assa has the highest boss dmg, sub the highest burst dmg in a short window and outlaw always had that flat dmg profile
proper rain
im just gearing up my rogue about 245ilvl doing 10s with some friends. How is the assassination damage when doing for instance +12 keys, is it any good?
manic merlin
they’re all playable play what you think is fun
proper rain
i only like assassination, but will i always lose vs all other classes of equal skill?
damage wise
somber sparrow
i only like assassination, but will i always lose vs all other classes of equal ...
I think a lot depends on how the tank pulls. We excel with giant groups
especially if you get good imp garrote on priority target, CT to the adds, deathmark is up, etc. otherwise it's pretty close
proper rain
so im not wasting my time gearing my assassination? It will pull through?
rich remnant
oh yeah
chilly spoke
Hi guys,does using the pre-potion that increases stats by 500 right before spreading my DoTs increase their actual damage? Or is it better to activate it after the spread?
chilly spoke
ah ok thk
quiet star
so im not wasting my time gearing my assassination? It will pull through?
everything is waste if not devourer or unholy
keen raven
everything is waste if not devourer or unholy
Buffing them too 🤣🤣
quiet star
so just asking for friend, how hard outlaw in comparison with assa?
bright turret
are you asking how hard to play or...something else
rugged basalt
so just asking for friend, how hard outlaw in comparison with assa?<:kekdog:9072...
very hard
also u mean difficulty oh
um its not bad
quiet star
are you asking how hard to play or...something else
yep, bad english
bright turret
it's easier than last expansion, but still the hardest rogue spec
wouldnt expect to pick it up and play it immediately
if you have low experience
quiet star
it's easier than last expansion, but still the hardest rogue spec
to be frank sub is crazy easy(and boring), assa easy to pick up and dots bring some depth
proper rain
cant wait to open my vault and get nothing
I cant wait to open vault and get 3 cloaks with incorrect stats
bright turret
it's generally a pretty fun spec to play, can just be frustrating when blizzard decides to make low uptime bosses
quiet star
as example feral for me is a bit overcomplicated, a lot of utility and not the easiest rotation(because of rake and constant tabbing)
proper rain
Elemental shaman with lightning rod would like a word
sacred oyster
I cant wait to open vault and get 3 cloaks with incorrect stats
Just claim the 6 coins and buy a bonus roll instead lol
proper rain
oh yeah, we're getting bonus roll tomorrow in eu!!
pastel siren
oh yeah, we're getting bonus roll tomorrow in eu!!
having to wait till 11 am is crazy
proper rain
why 11 am?
proper rain
everytime i logged in on patch day in eu i have been able to login at 9
onyx veldt
how does bonus roll even works?
balmy condor
you get the currency from a quest, 2 rolls a week
you kill a raid boss or complete a dungeon
you press the button that pops up
it gives you a random item from that content you just did
onyx veldt
ah
balmy condor
raid rolls cost 2, m+ costs 1
barren yarrow
Use it wisely because it's only from that dungeon or boss. Not the whole raid.
balmy condor
so you get 2 items from dungeons per week, or 1 item from raid
balmy condor
Is that the void forge thingy
yes
onyx veldt
so its still rng and u cant guarantee gaze for example right?
balmy condor
voidforge is both the item level upgrade and the bonus rolls
balmy condor
so its still rng and u cant guarantee gaze for example right?
well you can, but you might get unlucky
once you rolled a piece you can't get it again
so there's 5 items on chim
barren yarrow
Don't the rolls work though that if you don't get the item one week, it deletes it from that pool?
balmy condor
you can roll the other 4 items first if you're unlucky
but they're removed after
so you're guaranteed by week 5
onyx veldt
i seeeee thank you!
barren yarrow
I mean dude. How awesome is it that I don't have to roll my vault every week?
You can potentially win twice in a week with vault and the rolls.
rose narwhal
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
flint ridge
Can you use bonus roll after finishing m+ before you open your loot chest at the end?
proper rain
Can you use bonus roll after finishing m+ before you open your loot chest at the...
I would assume so? Vault and bonus roll are not necessarily connected?
flint ridge
Sorry the vault at the end of mplus is what i meant
Lets edit that to loot chest lol
balmy condor
probably can
proper rain
I haven't looked at it but isn't that when you spend the roll?
west crown
"Spec Changes
Nope."
balmy condor
it's just a little pop up that happens
it might trigger when you open the chest, but I think it just triggers on the kill/completion
coral ibex
if you wait like 20 minutes for NA servers to come up, people can tell you how it works
literally nobody has interacted with the system at all
so nobody knows how it actually works yet
spice spire
Oh god like the old bonus rolls, welcome back Lucky coins
coral ibex
many luckydo's!
balmy condor
Oh god like the old bonus rolls, welcome back Lucky coins
it's identical ye
viscid spear
it's identical ye
We really gooning in Pit? 
rugged basalt
in and to
balmy condor
We really gooning in Pit? <:CE_Agony4:1143753563231752312>
we're sarooners
sarogooners
pitooners
idk, I'll work on it
slim pebble
Paragooners
viscid spear
But the Beetle Stabber is really that high value? 
flint ridge
Thats so fun. How many void coins we have per week??
rugged basalt
pit 
viscid spear
we're sarooners
We want that Tyrannussy
spice spire
Good neck, good ring, max lvl dagger + many more things that are useful
slim pebble
Good neck, good ring, max lvl dagger + many more things that are useful
I’ll show you useful
spice spire
I’ll show you useful
copper spear
actually do we have info if you can double roll if you bought a roll with vault coins and have 2?
balmy condor
But the Beetle Stabber is really that high value? <a:pepestab:113902022606796400...
it's a myth dagger
coral ibex
actually do we have info if you can double roll if you bought a roll with vault ...
nobody knows yet
balmy condor
actually do we have info if you can double roll if you bought a roll with vault ...
you get 2 a week, the vault coin vendor can give you a 3rd
spice surge
actually do we have info if you can double roll if you bought a roll with vault ...
I would be surprised if you could
spice surge
Fairly sure you need to run the dungeon again
viscid spear
it's a myth dagger
Vorasius dagger no good?
balmy condor
but there's nothing stopping you from slamming 3 rolls into pit
copper spear
ah so only one roll on bosses regardless how many roll thingies you have
balmy condor
Vorasius dagger no good?
it's a myth dagger
copper spear
got it
coral ibex
well this one we do know
i honestly didnt even read past "do we have info" lol
spice surge
Well on a single boss
coral ibex
i have this tho
balmy condor
i have this tho
too much reading
copper spear
no
subtle tundra
?
coral ibex
desert crest
The thing that makes gear 298 do we know it is capped?
subtle tundra
ready
balmy condor
The thing that makes gear 298 do we know it is capped?
no clue
magic thorn
Then you play rogue bad
magic thorn
does it matter ?
subtle tundra
i am undisputably, HIM
onyx veldt
subtle tundra
who are you
worn geyser
damn bonus rolls are op, if u take coins from vault u just get guaranteed 3 mythic pieces from pit wtf
spice spire
i am undisputably, HIM
If by him you mean the femboy du jour, ye
subtle tundra
If by him you mean the femboy du jour, ye
did you se
see
i killed lura
,3
;3
viscid spear
it's a myth dagger
But Myth Vorasius?
drifting cloud
you played ret so it doesnt count
subtle tundra
🥱
coral ibex
NA up
balmy condor
But Myth Vorasius?
myth dagger is myth dagger, doesn't matter
spice spire
I almost said I was proud of him
balmy condor
if myth dagger, then myth dagger
spice spire
Ret
balmy condor
don't give a fuck which it is
spice spire
I sleep
balmy condor
myth is myth
spice spire
viscid spear
myth dagger is myth dagger, doesn't matter
Thank you, Mike Tyson
magic thorn
Whispyr go live now
balmy condor
Whispyr go live now
I am actually
coral ibex
magic thorn
wat
fallow canopy
viscid spear
I am actually
Let me grab the lotion
spice spire
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365600517417467914/1447164628441501767/G...
Me opening my vault to have 3 capes (but really a bonus roll)
coral ibex
lying???
balmy condor
Let me grab the lotion
spice spire
vital flicker
do you guys feel like the people who say "servers are up" are the same kid in elementary school that would shout "it's snowing!" at the first sight of snow?
spice spire
do you guys feel like the people who say "servers are up" are the same kid in el...
Yes but that’s okay
vital flicker
Shhh, no tears.
Only streams now.
streams of tears?
spice spire
Of joy for the bonus rolls
viscid spear
streams of tears?
I care not how the content flows
vital flicker
I can't wait to pick an extra bonus roll from the vault
spice spire
I can't wait to pick an extra bonus roll from the vault
God bless king. I hope you puzzlebox first try
coral ibex
F
spice spire
Roll #3 baby
coral ibex
idk i think the 279 ilvl matters here actually
shoulders to cata might be good for me
coral ibex
i have 110 crests to spend this week
spice spire
I mean you’re right.
Especially with 3 essentially guaranteed pieces a week. Crests are giga important
sacred oyster
im so conflicted, the legs im already 6/6 on current vs 3/6 on boots but legs have more value, hero gaze beats myth solarflare.... vs just taking a bonus roll.
thorn thorn
Let me grab the lotion
polar sail
im so conflicted, the legs im already 6/6 on current vs 3/6 on boots but legs ha...
Show us the tokens
prisma monolithBOT
sacred oyster
Show us the tokens
lol ?
vital flicker
the bonus roll could be anything though. it could even be a boat!
ripe rapids
Does anyone have an Arcui profile that I could use?
onyx veldt
gleaming geyser
where does one even buy the bonus token with merit?
aint showing up at the lady next to vault
spice surge
Probably at the voidforge where you get them usually
brave comet
how can i make it show the cooldown on tricks when using the macro?
vital flicker
aint showing up at the lady next to vault
you probably need the voidforge unlocked at 6/6
fleet pagoda
how can i make it show the cooldown on tricks when using the macro?
you mean on the button? I think the first line wants to be #showtooltip Tricks of the Trade, if I'm understanding the question correctly?
brave comet
you mean on the button? I think the first line wants to be #showtooltip Tricks o...
thank you that works!
sacred oyster
wtf is this
Error: Generating profiles: Player 'Aikar': Hash 'CMQAphyM11FofNMFa1K3vFEDUamlxsZwAAAAAAzyglZAAAAAAttNzMzMzMGzMzMbzsMzMDmZmZmxMDjBwALwMGNmFQWGwmBAzMDGA': Node 90626 is not a choice node but has index selection.
onyx veldt
flint ridge
Does a heroic raid boss generate a mythic voidforge bonus loot? Or sort of the same how vault works
sacred oyster
well, i really dont wanna spend any bonus rolls on windrunner, so i feel like i should grab these pants
barren yarrow
real talk for just a sec, do i spec into sin or sub for this vault
spice surge
Whatever you feel like
barren yarrow
mmmm
spice surge
It has no impact whatsoever
barren yarrow
OH!
haughty flicker
barren yarrow
i swear it felt like it did lol
haughty flicker
the only thing rogue loot spec ever effects is weapons
between outlaw and the dagger specs
plain thistle
if using 2 bonus roll on pit i would wait, there is a legs there
brave comet
so what is the voidforge exactly, just the same as the ticket system from the war within?
lucid rune
Heroic BiS neck, or mythic non bis ring? lol
I got heroic occlusion and a champion neck
polar sail
Is there trickster on assa?
barren yarrow
sick ring, ez choice.
desert crest
What is a bis ring even just change enchants and gems
Don't blindly follow bis lists like that man
barren yarrow
/simc
onyx veldt
Is there trickster on assa?
no
sacred oyster
Heroic BiS neck, or mythic non bis ring? lol
that void ring is essentially BIS. it would be like 0.1% difference
somber sparrow
could use a few whispyrs in the world
marsh fjord
@balmy condor who's this???
marsh fjord
Lmao
brave comet
no hate, love you whispyr!
marsh fjord
we all love him
plush isle
brave comet
hes now an outlaw?
lucid rune
gang it's EZ for us to switch to outlaw. same stats
maybe it's like the ICC days. sin for ST and combat for cleave 😄
sacred oyster
my mistake, occlusion of void is 100% alternative BIS, 0.0% difference https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jQDqna3ZWwRwaXvEnYBFGr
lucid rune
good stuff
viscid spear
<@167090536602140682> who's this???
radiant otter
damn bonus rolls are op, if u take coins from vault u just get guaranteed 3 myth...
yeah and if you already have any items from pit you can guarantee a myth puzzlebox by next tuesday
onyx veldt
wish me luck on left binding
F
plain thistle
bis sub trinket
zealous moth
fuck ass im swapping to sub
if god is good, it will sim better than H box
< clueless
spice surge
Idk helmet and gloves are good, assuming you dont already have them in mythc
zealous moth
Idk helmet and gloves are good, assuming you dont already have them in mythc
unfortunately those are wrists
but yeah, head is the play
sharp moon
should i get the trinket, or either gear piece that would replace a 250 ilvl slot, helm can be made into set piece
spice surge
Ah mb
viscid spear
unfortunately those are wrists
Blizzard loves to name things weird
zealous moth
waiting on simc to be back alive to check if somehow there's a better option
also my current h head has a gem slot with my agility gem
zealous moth
should i get the trinket, or either gear piece that would replace a 250 ilvl slo...
100% belt
if my vault is ass, noone else can get good drops
sharp moon
lol
zealous moth
coral notch
take the trinket it's the bis trinket by far for assa
onyx veldt
viscid spear
This is my vault, anyway
sacred oyster
this nooka implaccable addon is nice
ugh right side is a few pixels off gotta fix now ive seen it lol
viscid spear
Honestly not sure what to get
sacred oyster
i went with legs since any myth boots will do for boots since just gonna catalyst them, and i dont want to bonus roll windrunner
onyx veldt
<:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
i lowkey wanna take that extra bonus roll
lunar hazel
are we switching to deathstalker??
iron thorn
Probs better than what you got
iron thorn
are we switching to deathstalker??
Read Pins (NO)
lunar hazel
awesome
radiant otter
you're going to be limited by mythic crests so keep that in mind with your loot choices, but you basically can't miss vault this week because taking an extra bonus roll means 3 pit items or guaranteed puzzlebox by next week since aa only has 5 drops
wary cove
Hey, i decided to play Assa Rogue as my First Char in WoW, I just got to Level 81 and I wanted to ask if 7K DPS is Fine for my Level. ^^
coral ibex
dont worry about it, just keep having fun leveling
rugged basalt
https://www.wowhead.com/news/no-weapon-or-trinket-upgrades-this-week-from-voidfo...
Lumfaw
novel dragon
Pins say use bonus roll for Pit of Sauron- but doesn't M+ give hero track?
coral ibex
dont worry about your damage until you get to max level
spice spire
Leveling dps varies a lot due to gear differences. Would recommend caring more when you get max then sime help a lot!
spice surge
Pins say use bonus roll for Pit of Sauron- but doesn't M+ give hero track?
The rolls give myth track if you do it on a 10 or higher
spice spire
Pins say use bonus roll for Pit of Sauron- but doesn't M+ give hero track?
Not if 10+
fallow canopy
Pins say use bonus roll for Pit of Sauron- but doesn't M+ give hero track?
on a +10 or higher it gives myth
polar sail
Pins say use bonus roll for Pit of Sauron- but doesn't M+ give hero track?
If you hae roll in 10 or above you will get mythic track gear
spice spire
fallow canopy
spice spire
Brother
polar sail
The rolls give myth track if you do it on a 10 or higher
I get it fast or wait?
ripe rapids
!ui
prisma monolithBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager - MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
- Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
(Jundies Profile)
(Whispyr's Profile)
Misc: - Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
- WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement
spice spire
wary cove
dont worry about your damage until you get to max level
Yeah my Brother who got me into wow says the Same! I just feel like I make no Progress if you know what I mean. :))
onyx veldt
Yeah my Brother who got me into wow says the Same! I just feel like I make no Pr...
youll get there
just focus on basics first imo
ripe rapids
Does anyone have a good arcui profile?
wary cove
So probably enjoying playing through the Midnight Story and Care about dmg etc. afterwards?
spice spire
So probably enjoying playing through the Midnight Story and Care about dmg etc. ...
Yessir
wary cove
Alright, thank yall!
Ive been only playing competitive FPS and League before I started playing WoW so im still surprised that there are actually nice and helpful people in the Community! ^^
regal delta
are we chaning our raid build
spice spire
are we chaning our raid build
Nope!
spice spire
Alright, thank yall!
Ive been only playing competitive FPS and League before I ...
Being rude accomplishes nothing especially to new people trying to learn. Good luck and most of all have fun!
wary cove
Being rude accomplishes nothing especially to new people trying to learn. Good l...
Competitive Players are different Haha, again thank yall for the advice and I will Head straight into the Grind! :DD
See ya!
polar sail
The rolls give myth track if you do it on a 10 or higher
The loot when i reroll i got it instantly even when i got nothing?
spice surge
What
spice surge
You dont reroll
Its a bonus roll, you press a button once youve finished the key
And it gives you loot
polar sail
Randomly? Even when i got nothing?
spice spire
Press button and awarded a random myth piece from dungeon
polar sail
Press button and awarded a random myth piece from dungeon
I get it
onyx veldt
if i have puzzle and solar (hero) already do i roll for gaze or pit
signal karma
im strugglin with the reality that i gotta dead roll 4 weeks of chimeras to get rid of this renown trinket when i could get 8 pit of saron items
sharp trail
hey was wondering about something i was lucky during the timewalking and got Matrix Restabilizer Hero Track
when I sim against the gaze Trinket it is better even against myth
signal karma
sharp trail
doesn't really make sense to me
regal delta
does anyone use a reckless potion on pull after u use puzzlebox
i get like 120 mastery
spice surge
Lights potential is better
regal delta
ok
polar sail
Lights potential is better
Can i take vault item and get 2 roll from quest ? I see in wow head said do quest before vault item to not add on cap week
silk whale
when do you lads pool energy?
alpine canyon
are the talents in the ass faq up to date?
balmy condor
the hashes are probably old
but we aren't changing talents
do the imports not work
spice spire
ocean ore
should i hold my upgrade void core until i have a myth dagger?
alpine canyon
do the imports not work
I didnt try, good to know, no talent change.
latent kernel
just got gaze LFG
onyx veldt
grats
plain thistle
should i hold my upgrade void core until i have a myth dagger?
until we get the upgrade you will have a myth dagger
for sure
with bonus roll
ocean ore
even the first upgrade will come only in 4 weeks?
ocean ore
we lost all day because blizzard wants to give us coin and casual events? no upgrades? i hate that company
loud light
I don't know what to say if you read that blog post and thought the ilvl upgrades were coming at the same time as the bonus rolls
zealous moth
who's this reading you mention?
lime edge
i mean i thought we would get 1 upgrade at least
lool
0 for 4 weeks is crazy
isnt 4 weeks almost end of season
trim cairn
and in same breath this mf gonna be cryin about ilvl inflation
zealous moth
thats like
lime edge
im gonna complain about nothing to do
zealous moth
isnt 4 weeks almost end of season
10 weeks after item upgrades
mystic herald
Any changes to the talents, guys? What are you using for M+?
trim cairn
neglect your children irl
lime edge
10 weeks after item upgrades
arent we 2 months in now or no
zealous moth
Any changes to the talents, guys? What are you using for M+?
AOE BLIND BABYYY
loud light
it's the same as dinars/turbo boost being separated in previous seasons, and their post said (in an RP way) that it would be another quest chain
Following the Voidforge's construction, Decimus will ask players to assist him in crafting the Ascendant Nilhammer, a powerful tool capable of manipulating Ascendant Voidcores to empower worthy equipment. Upon completing this warband-wide journey,
this is blizzard speak for timegated
mystic herald
The new Mark of Death talent isn't worth the 10% damage loss, is it? Especially considering higher levels.
spice spire
arent we 2 months in now or no
So starting last week we got 1% buff in raid a week going all the way up to 15%.
One might assume we’re at least 14 weeks out from 12.1
spice spire
The new Mark of Death talent isn't worth the 10% damage loss, is it? Especially ...
No
mystic herald
But it seems interesting for the purpose of executing Obito Subito, lol.
zealous moth
So starting last week we got 1% buff in raid a week going all the way up to 15%...
^^^
mystic herald
ur talking about negotiable contract
yep
spice surge
Better off having 10% more damage
zealous moth
wth is a negotiable contract
wooden jasper
Whats best for M+ now? Fatebound or DeathStalker? High keys, 19 and +?
lime edge
its only 10% more until ur target dies tho right
which is like super fast
or does the 10% more keep going even if ur mark disappears
spice spire
Whats best for M+ now? Fatebound or DeathStalker? High keys, 19 and +?
Fatebound.
It’s in pins though 
zealous moth
ohhh found it
what is blizzard smoking
honestly should've made it jump to another target with full duration
would probly still be worse than 10% dmg
at least that way it would be fun
give it a satisfying sfx
lucid rune
no blindside, no thrown precison. muti or FoK in 2 target cleave?
latent kernel
negotiable contract and sudden demise low key build??????
lime edge
apparently the new trickster cloud stuff on outlaw/sub is costing them 30 energy
because its using distract
and if they dont have the energy it doesnt proc
we are saved
latent kernel
surely the trickster things gets nerfed right
no way they're actually intending it to be a +13% buff
outer thicket
Hi sneaky friends! I've loved my Assa rogue even when Assa is just not an optimal spec to play. My only complaint at the moment is running into energy starvation issues. I know I should be pooling, but I haven't found any reliable resources that can explain that a bit. I understand it in concept, but need to teach myself the muscle memory rather than just spamming Mutilate/Fan+Envenom/CT when everything is rolling.
normal mist
envenom 5 times in a row, proc implacable, big energy regen!!! Repeat.
other than that, we're still a slow spec
like we are intended to be
silk whale
Hi sneaky friends! I've loved my Assa rogue even when Assa is just not an optima...
I also am wondering when the best time to pool is
normal mist
When you have 5+ cps and no energy
Never inside CDs
It's better to build up to 5 outside of CDs and just wait a bit until you start a envenom chain
frigid void
Do I misunderstand the 2 piece or is fuu's spreadsheet not updated? Seems like 30% garrote damage should be more than a 2.5% increase but maybe I don't understand the math
latent kernel
Do I misunderstand the 2 piece or is fuu's spreadsheet not updated? Seems like 3...
30% increase to something that is 12% of our total dmg, debatably less than 12% in ST btw, 0.3 * 10 = 3%
coral ibex
<@137430413919387648> whats the fix for party frames
idk prob just update elvui