assassination

[balmy condor]

I mean it's very simple

[lime edge]

tbh

its such a lame apex

[analog field]

I tank these questions so you have a peaceful night

[balmy condor]

people just fucking overcomplicate it

[lime edge]

why tf do we have this

and not something cool

[balmy condor]

it's the most interesting of the 3 rogue specs idk

[lime edge]

i mean maybe idk

still seems boring

[balmy condor]

is this "something cool"

[quiet star]

We play game where people can't calculate anything, it's a normal thing

[balmy condor]

wdym

[plush isle]

just found a addon "nooka implacable", seems to work

[balmy condor]

all of this has been calculated

[quiet star]

Yee, calculated

With sim

People can't decide what item their bis without sim

[loud light]

it's literally just start pooling if you're at 80 implacable, send envenom anyway if you're gonna overcap energy

if you read the tooltip this is obviously what you do to not waste energy

[balmy condor]

well yeah, there's like 250 items in a given season

and if you're comparing them at 6/6 myth

any single swap is not impactful enough

sims are a necessity for gear

[quiet star]

It's not about items, but how game and stats works

[balmy condor]

correct

where are we going with this

[quiet star]

We going to the point that "overcomplication" is the nature of this game

[balmy condor]

of the community yes

not of the game

[quiet star]

So it's fine sometimes

[analog field]

stats don't work in a way, especially for rogues

[balmy condor]

the game is inherently designed to where you can just do whatever you want at pretty much any given time

[analog field]

You can't choose your gear based on stats most of the time

[quiet star]

Game created environment

[analog field]

I mean you can and the difference will be small, but you will not pick the best combination probably

[coral ibex]

the overcomplication comes from the humans playing the spec. i promise if you just slam buttons and dont even think about the apex and do everything else correctly (unlikely) you will have great logs

[quiet star]

It's like saying "we have so many addons because of community and not because game ui is dogshit"

[coral ibex]

this spec is literally designed to be low thoughts per second

[velvet hornet]

do you guys have any theories on why there are so few rogues compared to other classes? like is it thought of being to hard to play, or the lack of utility? just wondering

[balmy condor]

the game created a need to sim and optimize because it can't be tested by humans

the community created a delusional dreamworld where things are more complicated than they actually are because they think they're so much smarter but in reality we're all insanely bad at conceptualizing the best thing to do given 50 different buffs and combat states

[coral ibex]

many people have a perception of rogue as complicated and hard to learn with lots of button bloat

source: i ask people in every guild im in

[balmy condor]

we can solve for those with sims, and we do, that's why we play around apex talent the way we do

[waxen oyster]

the class is ass at solo content

[balmy condor]

but overcomplicating it because people think they can find some edge case that's better in a hypothetical that doesn't exist

[quiet star]

Oh ye, game created by super ai and not humans who do a lot of stupid things

[waxen oyster]

and most players are hyper casuals

[balmy condor]

is not the games fault

that's just people being idiots

[quiet star]

How about ring enchant text?

Am i overcomplicating by checking actual numbers?

[balmy condor]

I mean

yes

[waxen oyster]

Alot of overcomplicating gearing is because wow players try to find something else to blame

than their own gameplay

[balmy condor]

your ring enchants have no bearing on your success as a player

[waxen oyster]

”its not i suck its the gear”

[quiet star]

Or talents that doesn't work

Like I can imagine someone to try and create his own build

[waxen oyster]

idk i paste the wowhead build

[coral ibex]

actually WHISPYR changing to crit eff enchants was an upgrade within margin of error i'll have you know

[quiet star]

When you don't know what is working and how

[waxen oyster]

i havent read half the talents

[quiet star]

Like internal bleeds with ct

[trim cairn]

Why do you have to call me out like that

[fallow canopy]

Hey buddy I'll have you know my enchant sims told me to change for +16 dps

[balmy condor]

there's some rogue doing 20's with canny btw

[velvet hornet]

funny! because its not so hard to learn the basics (sin atleast). what are the thoughts of bringing some kind of raidbuff to it? was just thinking about maybe a crit-buff wich would fit the fantasy (target bleeding and 20 ppl hammering on the wounds sounds like critical hits)

[spice surge]

Idk id argue ct+internal bleed is doing the expected outcome when reading the talents

[quiet star]

Few margins of error and here we are

Still it sims better on my feral btw

[waxen oyster]

ngl i havent read half the sin talents in midnight

i just paste what whispyr’s guide says

[quiet star]

And even so, why the f we have same numbers if they are not same

[trim cairn]

Agreed, unlike Lethal Dose apparently

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

internal bleeding is so giga op btw

[waxen oyster]

bruh people overcomplicate lethal dose

[waxen oyster]

put on poisons

game plays itself

????

why we overcomplicating shit

[fallow canopy]

Real

[trim cairn]

Mostly because some tanks will turbotrain your asshole if you put on crippling poison

[balmy condor]

because there has to be hidden tech

[trim cairn]

but oh boy would I do it for that sweet 2% gain

[royal hazel]

Agreeed and uncanny seems like it suits ultra high keys

[waxen oyster]

that tank can suck me from the back

[quiet star]

Rank 1 feral closed 19 with random talents because forget to swap them

Skill before some small things

[waxen oyster]

frost mages periodically rooting

[spice surge]

What

[balmy condor]

because crit is better in high keys than it is in low keys or what

[quiet star]

It was few weeks ago, now it's not that impressive ofc

[balmy condor]

[trim cairn]

How/why? Internal bleed is doing 4-6% for me

[waxen oyster]

Idk the tcs do all the math

[glacial relic]

Heyo whispyr the new patch raid build how come we dont want dtb? Other talents bigger number?

[royal hazel]

Factually i dunno. But i could make an assumed understanding why zerocool was running it.

[waxen oyster]

bruh

[balmy condor]

that might be the worst explaination

[waxen oyster]

everything a streamer plays

[balmy condor]

I've ever heard

[waxen oyster]

must be correct

if zerocool told you to drink 10 monsters in one sitting would you do it

[spice surge]

Them ciggies gotta crit

[quiet star]

If sim says so

[royal hazel]

In the huge pulls. Envenom crit dam could be the difference and boss dam is very important at high keys

[trim cairn]

Idk I'd argue the other way too, theorycrafting doesn't account for the tank standing afk waiting for his wifes boyfriend to finish before pulling the next pack

[waxen oyster]

yeah let me logically think

that 2% crits

is more than 4% bleed

[trim cairn]

I'm not arguing for that part lmao

Thats fked

[waxen oyster]

the first time i read that talent i was like

[balmy condor]

but.... it's worse boss dam

[waxen oyster]

who the fk balanced this node

[royal hazel]

Rip

[balmy condor]

and canny actually kinda sucks in huge pulls too cause you're not getting more cp

so like

none of what you said

makes any sense

[waxen oyster]

but if i was fr doing keys that high

[royal hazel]

I am not saying its right. Internal is gigga for me

[waxen oyster]

i wouldnt be playing rogue

[royal hazel]

Why not

[trim cairn]

you just dont have the right mindset

to play a rogue you need to have a chip on your shoulder and a dildo in your ass

[royal hazel]

Prob a dh guy

[waxen oyster]

rather play something useful

to the group

[quiet star]

Switching to belf to get half of it

[balmy condor]

part of theorycrafting is accounting for that btw

like it's pointless to just sim and say "here's best" without any context

[waxen oyster]

belf is ass

might as well play panda for more mainstat

[balmy condor]

just look at sub haste breakpoints

those are simmed technically, but they're heavily feelcrafted

[trim cairn]

ye they account for the human factor

[quiet star]

I have dragon with useless mastery(from tww1)
Everything is better

[waxen oyster]

false

pretty sure dragon is better than some races

i.e vulpera undead

[quiet star]

Glide

That's it

[waxen oyster]

nightborne

[strange onyx]

Every night, all you do is fight, fight, fight

[balmy condor]

but now the sub players are saying mastery is shit stat cause crit gains good value with trickster so ya know ROUND AND ROUND WE GO MORE PEOPLE JUST BRAIN OFF

[waxen oyster]

and the guidewriters say stats dont change much

[strange onyx]

Crit makes my number bigger, haste make my number faster. How could it ever be anything but best?

[waxen oyster]

i also racechange my rogue every other season

out of boredom anyway

[trim cairn]

Sounds a lot like SD

[waxen oyster]

hot topic elf discount on mogs is fun

but spatial rift is dick

[storm forum]

Rift on immobile ranged caster? Incredible. Rift on mobile melee dps? Donkey dick.

[waxen oyster]

if it went over holes in the ground

or z axis

it would be cool

but it fucking doesnt

by immobile ranged caster you mean lock/spriest?

thought its better to be drac

[storm forum]

I was thinking of my priest

[keen raven]

Y'all reckon they're gonna buff asa now that they put outlaw and sub ahead of it

[pliant remnant]

No

[waxen oyster]

drac priest is sick

[storm forum]

Dragon is great for certain mechanics, but a long range gtfo button is life saving in way more circumstances for me

[trim cairn]

sick as in illness

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean thats what playing priest does

[fickle girder]

hope the chemo goes well

[waxen oyster]

idk i thought glide is op on priest

[solid yew]

when do we fok over mutilate? when theres 2 or is it 3 targets?

[storm forum]

Depends on talents. With blindside 3 targets, without blindside 2 targets

[solid yew]

ahh ok ty!

[storm forum]

Knockback canceling is OP for priest, but so is a long range blink.

[waxen oyster]

spatial just feels like

a really bad door of shadows

and i think half the time i used door on rogue was just to disorient people

[storm forum]

Maybe it's cause disc is rly mobile recently, and that's what I play most, but I find getting knocked back isn't too bad most of the time and being able blink through a bad puddle or a wall or wherever the tank needed to freestyle dragging the boss to is better for me more often.

Yeah rift being 3 minutes compared to no CD sucks sometimes though

I miss door of shadows

Except for all the times it gave me "no path available" on what looked like a flat surface

[rose narwhal]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[trim cairn]

me comparing logs between DtB and SD

[storm forum]

SD is like reverse Aug, make allies look like they're doing less damage and not giving it back in logs

[trim cairn]

In theory yeah but in practice nah

I don't see the demo locks blasting the low hp stragglers in the back and I don't see party members live calculating my bleed damage to stop their dps on mobs so they can naturally bleed out on the last ticks

[blissful harness]

yo guys

how is poison bomb listed in details?

[trim cairn]

Falls in under envenom damage I think

[trim cairn]

Also even if I gave my SD damage to allies I'd still somehow be doing more damage overall than DtB build

[waxen oyster]

are we being sd copers again

as much fun as i have with that talent

[trim cairn]

I gotta fill my quotas bro its a grind

[storm forum]

I like SD when I'm doing low/mid keys and nothing is gonna live a dtb KB

[trim cairn]

I'm at 16 keys and SD is still doing more than dtb if I subtract the SD damage

[waxen oyster]

blindside gives me nice dopamine hits

[trim cairn]

I'm doing a meth cook SD build tho Whispyr would get an aneurism

[royal hazel]

Posion bomb on saladbar mythic or nay. I rekon nay as the boss is being kited around the room.

A couple of the top 10 dont run it

[storm forum]

yeah but seeing spatter up there is fun to me

[storm forum]

oo i didnt think of this but yeah i miss blindside in keys sometimes

[royal hazel]

On mythic rhe orbs get close

Enough to splatter

[trim cairn]

Technically it's higher up there on SD than on DtB 😛

vs DtB

[royal hazel]

Sd! Bleed build time

Posion dam ( fatal conc] would better than posion bomb imo

[storm forum]

I will never talent out of poison bomb

it makes a fun sound effect

[trim cairn]

It feels too good

[royal hazel]

So true !

[trim cairn]

That splash

[storm forum]

ignore that it killed me twice in a pit 17 cause it covered ground effects

well it proc'd cheat once and killed me the 2nd time

[trim cairn]

Monks touch of death ain't got nothing on us

Totally not holding cds on last boss until he is low just to pad the max number

[wintry trout]

With the set does garrote spread through CT apply poisons to the target?

[balmy condor]

no

it's easier if you just pretend that whole "garrote applies poisons" thing doesn't exist

because functionally it doesn't

[wintry trout]

Ah ok

That's silly

[balmy condor]

it's actually so abhorrently bad that you can't tell immediately if it's working or not by looking at sims

the 30% garrote damage is obvious

but when the poison thing got added to sims, the damage was within margin of error

and we had to go and look at applications and debug

[storm forum]

whispyr can you confirm for me again that not using crippling poison won't deprive me of 2% damage from lethal dose?

[balmy condor]

and go "yeah, thats working actually, it's just that fucking bad"

[storm forum]

I know I ask this like once a patch but my memory bad

[balmy condor]

non-lethals got removed from lethal dose at some point

lord knows when

[storm forum]

ty

[warped moon]

plz do a spirit bomb for me os i get alnseer trinket please 🙂

[hollow river]

I heard something about CT’d garrotes not spreading em

[storm forum]

[balmy condor]

correct, the poisons are only applied from casts of garrote that the player character does

[hollow river]

At this point I just believe anything I hear on the street

[balmy condor]

which is to say

it doesn't fucking do anything

[hollow river]

Yeah

Lmao

[wintry trout]

Imagine just auto attacking

[balmy condor]

auto attacking is 85-90% of your poison applications

[storm forum]

it guarantees to slow whatever you open up on when you use crippling poison

[balmy condor]

yeh or just don't use it

crippling that is

[storm forum]

the solution is to not use crippling poison or wait until everything is grouped

[balmy condor]

I don't think crippling is really that big of a deal considering people play with frost mage literally constantly and they just slow everything in an 80 yard radius by simply existing

but ya know

some people also go ape shit about restealths

so I guess there's clowns in every circus

[storm forum]

im a fan of crippling poison if there are pulls i think my tank will wanna kite out, or right side nexus point

i never play with frost mages

[devout steppe]

we never play at all

resi 18

still not taken in 10 weeklies

:/

[storm forum]

i havent puged on my rogue in like 3 expansions

[warped moon]

i make sure to shame ranged classes

for playing on easy difficulty

[zealous moth]

Hello ass bros

Ready to gamble your tokens tomorrow?

[warped moon]

idk what that means!

[storm forum]

been flipping coins all expac for this

[storm forum]

we get bonus rolls in the .5 patch tomorrow/wednesday

[zealous moth]

More coinflips for our rolls

Fuck outlaw, give us the die

Dice?

I never knew which one was the plural

[warped moon]

outlaw fake rogue spec 😠

[storm forum]

coin flipping on dreamrift

[zealous moth]

We either kill the boss or wipe 155 times

One of my guildies tried pugging m dr

Somehow endured 150+ pulls

Didn't even get the kill

Tragic

[trim cairn]

With a pug? wtf

[zealous moth]

Yeah

[severe meadow]

John Pugs

[trim cairn]

I did 3 pulls and we got him to 7% because some people went into the 4th soak and then I got kicked cuz the raid lead was scared the best healer would leave if the RL didnt invite his friend to the raid

and then they killed it the next pull

raid lead parsed literal 0 btw

I need to become a sociopath and start raid groups to carry me

[zealous moth]

He was too busy leading to parse

[loud light]

I mean it is unironically very difficult to parse if you're actually raid leading in a remotely useful way

[trim cairn]

How good are you at leading if you can't reliably communicate your core strategy

[loud light]

I can't speak to your pug raid leader's effectiveness

[zealous moth]

Honestly at that point just use OBR

[cunning needle]

i used to think this... then our RL got r1 MM hunter on mythic crown

[zealous moth]

I mean i managed to lead our aotc groups parsing 80+

[cunning needle]

so now i dunno what to think anymore

[zealous moth]

Except for crown still got a 60something

[trim cairn]

It was no comms pug btw

no discord or anything

[zealous moth]

If your raiders know whats going on its mostly just calling out stuff

[zealous moth]

Jesus thats a much bigger flex than mine

Now im sad

[loud light]

hunters

[zealous moth]

Truly

The 4 button spec

[cunning needle]

yeah i know it comes off as a brag and tbh it kinda is

but i gotta give some respect to teh guy

[zealous moth]

It absolutely is

[cunning needle]

fuck that fight

[zealous moth]

Id brag that shit as well

[trim cairn]

This isnt the scandinavia discord, janteloven doesnt apply here fam

[cunning needle]

[fallow canopy]

don't mean to brag but this is better than a r1 parse

[cunning needle]

holy shit

the penta proc

[zealous moth]

Congrats on being rich

Pls remember us when you're eating golden caviar

[severe meadow]

LFR is a crazy place

[coral ibex]

we just lusted at 1:47 on LFR vorasius

[balmy condor]

Yall running LFR?

[severe meadow]

Damage spread is funny

[severe meadow]

ye skill issue, need the lil voidcore shards

[fickle girder]

It's my 1st reset week, leave me alone!

[balmy condor]

[limber glen]

if we dont run mythic raid, its the best to use the new rerolls on pit since we get there many bis items ye?

[severe meadow]

Pit is prob the play yeah

[balmy condor]

even if you run mythic raid, you probably still roll on pit fwiw

[random pelican]

Thoughts on sub vs assa for boss damage in 0.5? Cloud cover seems too ridiculous

[balmy condor]

raid bonus rolls are twice the cost

[balmy condor]

probably still comparable

[random pelican]

[elder agate]

not worth mythic algethar?

[random pelican]

I just swapped off sub to assa, for better prio damage in higher keys, and better boss damage in raid, and was curious on if I'd have to keep a set of sub gear around

[limber glen]

i see ty

[balmy condor]

you'd be pissing rerolls into the ocean realistically

[random pelican]

Not new to either spec, just wanted opinions

[limber glen]

kk, btw do you think sub will deal more dps than assa after the patch?, just asking out of curiosity

[elder agate]

lol

[balmy condor]

like would you rather reroll pit and get a 5/6 chance to get something good

or would you reroll algethar for 1 single item

[gilded oasis]

SINGLE ITEM TY

[balmy condor]

probably yeh

but not much

you can still play assa

[chrome mirage]

Bountiful delves honestly

[limber glen]

perfect

[half apex]

hey clan, can i hav a log analyse? idk what i can do better 😭 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KGJCHY6gxW29B8Pw?fight=1&type=damage-done

[severe meadow]

Outlaw looking juiced?

[balmy condor]

yuh

[coral ibex]

dawg am i spending 80 myth crests on a damn sword tomorrow

just shoot me

[warped moon]

i got a hero gaze

ty for spirit bomb @storm forum

[radiant aspen]

pugs btw

https://giphy.com/gifs/rukaateto-rukaateto00-kid-patrick-1VAhClIh0Tkz1XvLtF

[haughty flicker]

gamer

[wooden jasper]

same

[violet violet]

Tbh sub being meta then assa getting over buffed to the point where it overtakes sub it's just boring at this point

[radiant aspen]

we are sucha gamers bro

[wooden jasper]

Is there a way to see the simc for who will have the highest dps next patch?

[violet violet]

freaking dot spec> burst spec. Member when sub was like the best spec? Yeah it lasted 1 week

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

even if that would be useful, or if that was possible through sims, which it isn't, sims won't be updated until after the patch

[haughty flicker]

[wooden jasper]

Thx man

Gl during ur raid

[balmy condor]

ty

[slim pebble]

No one is holding you at hostage and making you play outlaw lol

[gray raven]

Any items we already have on myth are out of the reroll loot pool?

[slim pebble]

Dawg I play rogue I can’t read

[coral ibex]

[cunning needle]

that's what the outlaw cabal want you to think

[haughty flicker]

i would not be surprised if a small goblin like creature lives in zacs walls and forces him to play outlaw

[slim pebble]

Someone said earlier that Zac would play outlaw if it healed mobs and I’ve been thinking about it all day

[radiant aspen]

meh play what u like and enjoy

personaly i dont like to burst for 15 sec afk for next 2 min

[slim pebble]

Isn’t that every class and spec rn

[radiant aspen]

ngl i dont feel like that when play assa

but i can see ur point

[slim pebble]

Fair I haven’t played assa in awhile

It’s my old baby though

[radiant aspen]

pulling kb improved garr with vanish

theres things u have to keep in mind

and sorta plan ur stuff

wich i find super fun

im happy with assa and outlaw rn i dont play sub that much cant say

[violet violet]

Hatred for assa is darth-maul-like in the new series

Always ends up on top dw. The beloved child of blizzard

That's why in arena you always go for them xd

After rwf race when i read the assa buffs couldn't even finish reading after i saw the garrote and rupture buffs was like ok bro ...

[cunning needle]

sir this is a wendys

[violet violet]

https://tenor.com/view/jose-mourinho-sweet-trouble-gif-26762341

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest idk what any of that means

[violet violet]

Im upset assa is again better than sub

[cunning needle]

assa bad sub good

outlaw blizzard stepchild

[balmy condor]

better where

[violet violet]

M+, st damage

[balmy condor]

sure yeah

[cunning needle]

whispyr please stop taking the bait and focus on prog

[balmy condor]

I'm dead

it's fine

I'll eat the bait

[cunning needle]

youre dead because you took the bait!

like a fish

[balmy condor]

that's not true

[cunning needle]

Fishpyr

[balmy condor]

I'm dead because demiar didn't die

[fallow canopy]

just kill demiar gup

[violet violet]

Not bait if true

[cunning needle]

nice try buddy im not falling for it

i'm smarter than the average fish

[coral ibex]

broooo

are you guys also

shooting morium when he has 80% hp

[balmy condor]

we're doing something

maybe I need to swap assa

since it's better

[fallow canopy]

but tomorrow you'll get to be a cloud gamer

[balmy condor]

on assa, right

[fallow canopy]

on sub

:c

[balmy condor]

because it's better than sub again

yet again

[fallow canopy]

[haughty flicker]

i havent actually watched a whispyr stream this tier

time to correct that

[radiant aspen]

sub better then assa in pisslow keys

sure

[fallow canopy]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[weary crypt]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[minor solstice]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal mist]

do we always just immediately press envenom at 5 cp or is it better to last second chain to keep energy up permanently

[balmy condor]

you press on 5

the uptime is already near infinite without waiting for the last second

[boreal mist]

is that also the case in m+ on bosses? seem to be running out of energy so think i may be the big R word

[coral ibex]

no, running out of energy is by design

[balmy condor]

running out of energy is the default

you still have infinite envenom uptime though

envenom duration is just

dummy long

[boreal mist]

just seem to be running out of energy to keep going to max of apex then dropping it

[balmy condor]

that's fine

[worn geyser]

is crit the best buff for us to take in algethar or how does that specific buff work, it just adds flat 3% crit rate right? so doesnt matter if i have 50 crit or 1200?

[storm forum]

yeah it's 3% regardless of rating

technically vers is the most effecient in that way

and haste is the worst

actually dont quote me on the haste i dont remember

[worn geyser]

interesting, ive never taken the vers one, does it give proportionally alot more? I think mast gives 5% flat right

[storm forum]

mast buff gives 1111 mastery or something

cause all mast %s are different depending on spec

so they cant do the flat %

[worn geyser]

that seems pretty good

ill try out the vers one tho ty goat

[haughty flicker]

watch whispyr stream for first time in forever and get called weird

[storm forum]

dont quote me on that exact amount of mastery either

[haughty flicker]

[haughty flicker]

76

[storm forum]

no wonder ur getting called weird

[haughty flicker]

that emote is from his server

[latent kernel]

Best buff depends on your current secondary stat distribution if being really technical about it, stats gain and lose value depending on how much you currently have of them, so if you’re super capped on crit something else might be better etc…

[regal sable]

best buff is haste/crit because theyre right at the start and u dont have to walk as far

gg

[latent kernel]

This is the answer^^

[storm forum]

haste for the haste gods

3% haste is 3% more envenoms per minute or something

[haughty flicker]

me grabbing vers because its the one right at the ramp to the pull anyway

[regal sable]

me grabbing the healing buff because i died on bird boss and its the only one u walk past for the rest of the dungeon

[worn geyser]

true it is more complicated than just % amounts but i feel u, if vers was competitive could be good to take cause the crawth boss fucks on higher keys

[storm forum]

yeah just cause vers gives "the most stat points" if you convert % to points, doesnt mean its gonna give you the most damage

haste is definitely the wrong choice for me but it gives me the most whimsy

[haughty flicker]

this is all significantly more thought than ive ever put into the choice

[coral ibex]

crit goes hard

[storm forum]

I did all this thinking like two expansions ago

[worn geyser]

crit been my default feels nice, but figured id try to find out other than feel lol

[cunning needle]

based hold W

[storm forum]

god i feel old

[cunning needle]

big W

[latent kernel]

I don’t grab a buff so I can shit talk other dps for needing crutch

[haughty flicker]

i didnt think about it two expansions ago either

[worn geyser]

i missed all of DF and SL so these throwback dungeons are brand new to me so never had to think about that shit b4

[storm forum]

god i wish i missed SL

[latent kernel]

I remember running that key for the first time and tank was telling us to grab all the buffs at once lol

Back in dragonflight

[worn geyser]

i played first patch of SL, saw anima power/ap still existing and the best m+ and raid covenants were different for sin at the time afaik and just fucking dipped

was not trying to do a 3rd xpac of farming ap, even tho i heard it wasnt as bad in SL

[storm forum]

I has so much whimsy at the start of SL

then assa was unplayably bad week one

and then once we got buffed to a reasonable state my guild fell apart

[worn geyser]

I was unbelievably hype till i legit loaded in and saw AP on the world map it hurt my soul

[haughty flicker]

[storm forum]

and then the next guild I joined needed a healer so I progged as disc for the first time but it was spirit shell meta and horrible

i rly shouldve just not

i think the worst part was terrible herb farming routes

[cunning needle]

i remember week 1 my mate writing full raid plan cds to kill the tree boss

weekly no leaver AA 10

[haughty flicker]

the fucking tree

jesus

[storm forum]

honestly thats so real

[haughty flicker]

vietnam flashbacks

[glad ferry]

Yo I cant with the blizzard nameplates

[storm forum]

week one tree boss was a nightmare

[glad ferry]

what nameplates we usin bois

[storm forum]

default UI lmao

[cunning needle]

playnator jundies profile

[haughty flicker]

same

[storm forum]

the stacking is usually fine for me

[haughty flicker]

jundies op

[glad ferry]

got a link for me?

[cunning needle]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[glad ferry]

ty !

[cunning needle]

np

[cunning needle]

my favorite part of all of this is the tank (kreeper) just taking the L every tank buster

and even planning when to proc cheat

[glad ferry]

What a sick addon

Why does betterCDM just reset where I put the icons everytime

[lime edge]

[fresh kelp]

goated class

[clear ingot]

In m+ is it better to use recklessness with mastery for AOE damage over light's potential? Not sure how to change recklessness from cit > mastery on sims

[cunning needle]

[oak tangle]

does recklessness not just go off what stats you have?

[clear ingot]

it goes off your highest secondary stat

i.e if you pop it pre puzzle box it will give crit

after puzzle box it gives mastery

[oak tangle]

right, so i'm just confused why you say you don't know how to change it, it likely updates on the fly no?

[solar wyvern]

No u hit mastery DR too fast

Lights pot wins

[clear ingot]

well the sim always just pops the pot pre puzzle box

not sure how to get it to pop it after puzzle box so i can sim mastery

i've seen a lot of very good logs with recklessness so just curious

[balmy condor]

it does it pre puzzle because it's better than post puzzle

[oak tangle]

i see, i imagine whispyrino has worked all that out already

[balmy condor]

reckless is like -1.5% as is

after box its like -2%

[clear ingot]

yea ok tysm

[solar wyvern]

Agility gud

[oak tangle]

as for how you would do it, you gotta get a hold of the APL and shift the pot lower down

[balmy condor]

you'd add a conditional for the potion to just say &buff.puzzle_box.up

[barren yarrow]

@balmy condor do you have any suggestions on vids that teach you how to advance sim?

[balmy condor]

depends what you're trying to advanced sim I guess

[oak tangle]

need some goated coder to make a node like version of apl so i can just type simple names

[balmy condor]

raidbots has built-in syntax and autocomplete now on the text editor

it's pretty neat

[fresh kelp]

very nice change

[oak tangle]

are you able to run sims locally on your own pc

[balmy condor]

yeah but idk why you would

it's just more effort and slower

[oak tangle]

blast it on the uni mega pc

[spice sentinel]

whispyr

plz fix ass

ty

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/bunny-wth-confused-huh-what-gif-6154003038879814

[balmy condor]

like I have custom sims I run for my guild and stuff right

you know how I run those?

I fucking send it over to raidbots servers

cause simming it locally

would be miserable

[barren yarrow]

im trying to figure out what I would need to spend tokens on for gearing assassin and sub.

[balmy condor]

oh that's just a droptimizer

like you sim m+ dungeons

[oak tangle]

yeah fair, I was just wondering how long it takes. but like if you were paying for raidbots / power user deffs wouldn't run locally

[balmy condor]

sort by expected value

and you just go from the top down

[barren yarrow]

ok word

[balmy condor]

the thing is that the free version of raidbots is already running on 32 cores of a dedicated threadripper in a server farm

even a giga top of the line super pc you have at home

is gonna take 5x as long

[oak tangle]

oh yeah, not meaning the architecture, more so the queue times

[balmy condor]

yeah

but that's what I'm saying

even if you could take raidbots GUI

and you could skip all that leg work that top gear or whatever does

[native heron]

how much should i trust sims when its telling to use crit/ver crit/mastery rings instead of my her void ring and champ light ring?

[balmy condor]

the queue time + the sim time on the servers

is still miles faster than simming it locally

none of the theorycrafters sim anything locally anymore

it's simply not viable to do so

[oak tangle]

inb4 someone pipes up with "i run a threadripper"

but yeah getcha

[balmy condor]

you trust it because that is the purpose of the sim

also the set bonus blows fucking ass

so that's not surprising to me

[native heron]

roger. jut my haste is at 16% now

[balmy condor]

champ light ring probably loses to like 8 different rings

16% sounds like a lot

probably also makes sense

[native heron]

oh foreal? lol!

i been trying to get to 25% o.O im dumb af

[balmy condor]

are you in the wrong channel by chance

this is assassination

[native heron]

nope im not. lol

[balmy condor]

oh

[cunning needle]

bro out here trying to sim to parse arguments.

[native heron]

i thinki had the stats fucked up in my head. my b

[balmy condor]

well I'm out of excuses for you then idk

[balmy condor]

I'm parsing bro

[native heron]

so am i. lol

ty whispyr ❤️

[balmy condor]

the code is actually piss shit ugly don't look at it

[fallow canopy]

your looking glass thing makes this extra funny

[native heron]

Hope you have a good night!

[balmy condor]

u too

[balmy condor]

so here's an interesting problem, how do you sim trinkets across your raid when you have the same person submitting two hero talents on the same spec

or you have like a demon hunter submitting dev and havoc

and they're agi/int differently

I had to make

this fucking ugly thing

[cunning needle]

excuse me but what the flying fuck?

[balmy condor]

and then in order to add it properly right

now I have to check

against that list

its actually so gross

I'm sure there's a better way

[cunning needle]

https://tenor.com/view/aintnoway-gif-27058877

[balmy condor]

but just

it's rancid

this is some of the worst code I've written

[cunning needle]

okay

[balmy condor]

but it works

[cunning needle]

i get the reason why you have to do that

[balmy condor]

so I just pretend the horrors do not exist

[cunning needle]

and i get the reason why you made it like that

and i understand what that is happening

[regal sable]

this is u on 6 months of feet

[cunning needle]

but like

have you considered therapy?

[balmy condor]

but it's really cool

I one button sim my entire guild

and it sorts by tier token

and by trinket

[oak tangle]

can i join your guild for free sims

[balmy condor]

my guild doesn't get my sims

I sim

[oak tangle]

not even monetary reasons, jsut purely so i dont even have to sim

[cunning needle]

you know.... im pretty sure this is how ulria started his sheet

actual harvey dent moment right here

[balmy condor]

and the sheet is only slightly awful

but it's okay

cause I just import the CSV

and all of that works too

[regal sable]

all of this to assign bonus rolls

[balmy condor]

[cunning needle]

you either die a hero or live long enough to make your own cross class/spec simulation spreadsheet

[balmy condor]

oh hell naw, we just use this for like week 1-3 when everyone is saying everything is a billion dps upgrade

and it's good for early tier

[oak tangle]

i'm playing windwalker, our raid asked who should get PI, i said it's good on WW, raid leader said i thought monks hate haste, i didn't get PI, and yeah..

this crazy style organisation

[balmy condor]

we don't even follow it like one to one

but it's good to have

so we can be like

yeh ele tier is huge

enhance is tiny

sub tier big, assa isn't

how likely is it whispyr's playing sub

should we give him tier

etc

[regal sable]

thats cool but u ever try equipping world quest trinkets to make raid ones a bigger % increase

easiest gaze of my life....

[balmy condor]

well that's the fun thing

because I'm the one running the sims, I can also see when that happens

it happened this tier actually

[regal sable]

you're also in prime position to do it

[balmy condor]

someone tried to sandbag their droptimizer

and I went "that's not +4k"

[fallow canopy]

that's evil lmao

[balmy condor]

it was a trial and they failed

it's fine

but still

also I'm not the only loot council

[oak tangle]

rouuuuuuuuuugh

but also what a fuckin idiot

[fallow canopy]

oof failed the vibe check

[regal sable]

i like the confidence to do that on trial

[balmy condor]

the other funny one is like

3 mages

I sim the first 2

and gaze is like +1500 or +1600

[cunning needle]

lmao what an absolute rat

[balmy condor]

and then I sim the third

and it's +2500

and I go "hmmmmm"

[fresh kelp]

I am glad to not be required to submit specific sim numbers this tier with the haste breakpoint stuff with sub

[balmy condor]

(he just had unlucky trinket drops he didn't sandbag)

[balmy condor]

we only do tier and trinkets tbf

we don't do this for like

random fuckass belts

[fresh kelp]

there have been other tiers it was standard for us to give a number for most items

[regal sable]

wait haste breakpoints are so op

[balmy condor]

yeh, that's a standard we have as well

[fresh kelp]

I really cba explaining that I need to do a full top gear for everything

[regal sable]

gemming and enchanting wrong to sandbag for haste trinkets

[fresh kelp]

And droptimizer don’t work

[balmy condor]

but if it's a breakpoint thing we understand

and they just go "idk breakpoint but it's really good"

and we're like yah fair, don't mind giving it to that guy

[solar wyvern]

The only thing ive put bis and put a note on was guidon where i slammed "OOGA BALUGA YUN YUM YIM"

Worked

[fresh kelp]

Ye similar

[balmy condor]

we have people note every drop

[fresh kelp]

The rest I just put note “my class sucks” so if they give it to me they know what they’re getting into

[balmy condor]

cause we dont' wanna pre-determine everything

[solar wyvern]

I smurfed on lura today

Glaive dodger 9000

Lorelei still won tho... actually 0 hits

Shes just too powerful

[fresh kelp]

Surely I dodge them all while relearning tricky man outlaw

[barren yarrow]

so if I want a shopping list basically, go on rogue > goto both sub and sin specs > then just sim them both via droptimizer? @balmy condor

[solar wyvern]

Im so tempted to play the law

[balmy condor]

yeh realistically as good as you're gonna get

[fresh kelp]

I’m gonna drop a nuclear bomb on the beloren egg and then get right into pirate arc

Gonna be great

[solar wyvern]

!!!

I gotta check p3 timers

[barren yarrow]

ok, and then pathwerk / slice for both

[balmy condor]

ye

[solar wyvern]

But sub burst may just win out over outlaw

If u get 2 sblades during 2x dam

[barren yarrow]

ty king

[balmy condor]

how long do we think cloud cover survives

[fresh kelp]

isn’t the amp fake news

[balmy condor]

a week?

[barren yarrow]

a week tops lol

i read that and got a headache

[waxen oyster]

ngl outlaw having 15% dr

for 60% uptime

[fresh kelp]

it heals or something after p2 so effectively p3 isn’t even an amp

[fallow canopy]

Surely its an intended interaction

[waxen oyster]

sounds wild

[solar wyvern]

I mean, kindof? Youre still 2x damage

So having more in that period of time is still valuable

[fallow canopy]

I'm kinda tempted to play outlaw but I'd be so rusty I'm definitely gonna grief insanely hard

[fresh kelp]

The way it was explained to me it isn’t actually an amp because damage earlier in the fight ends up being double value as well

[balmy condor]

yeah, some minor talent on a choice node in the middle of the hero talent that is essentially turning a 10% hero talent into a 25% hero talent

that's intended surely

[fallow canopy]

Surely

[balmy condor]

why wouldn't a random node just triple the entire tree

makes sense to me

[fresh kelp]

Don’t let guy see you write this

[balmy condor]

guy ain't got shit on me

I'll just tell him to go rewrite his guide

and if he doesn't I fire his ass

[fresh kelp]

he was not pleased when I made this point

[balmy condor]

got that boytoy on a leash

I love guy

why was he not pleased

is that not whats happening

[fresh kelp]

He fully believes it is intended and we need to stop predooming about “nerfs”

and that the interactions are in fact, completely normal

[balmy condor]

I see

[fresh kelp]

And if they were to even fix it, that there would be plentiful compensation buffs for such an event

[waxen oyster]

best i can do is 4% aura buff

[balmy condor]

I mean, I can get behind the "stop pre-dooming"

the doom in here is miserable whenever anything happens

[fresh kelp]

I mean I think the most likely outcome is that they just fix it

[balmy condor]

but it is a funny meme

[fresh kelp]

Compensation seems wack

[balmy condor]

I think it's kind of insane to think this is intended though

[fresh kelp]

#outlaw message

the crashout for your viewing pleasure

Is good content

[solar wyvern]

150% crit surely intended

[bright turret]

be silly to axe it when it won't even make rogue close to OP

[solar wyvern]

Smile

[fallow canopy]

Grapple hook grip goes hard

[balmy condor]

okay but thats... just not how tuning works lmao

like hypothetically right

lets say mutilate/fan of knives was 40% of our damage dealt

same overall damage, but generators at the top

that's clearly a problem right

this is the same thing

[bright turret]

I'm not disagreeing it's very silly and definitely not intended, but Blizzard tuning is...chaotic

[fresh kelp]

that’s what I’m saying

[cunning needle]

i was only half following the conversation. what exactly is this interaction? is it this x3?

[balmy condor]

it is very chaotic of late, that's for sure

[fresh kelp]

Yes

[balmy condor]

anything fazed is 3x

[cunning needle]

ahhh

[bright turret]

cloud cover will propel rogue up, but they'll still be behind a bunch of range

[cunning needle]

yes

okay now i see

[fresh kelp]

The dr too!

[bright turret]

just dont see it catching blizz's radar

[cunning needle]

100% intended

[bright turret]

probably get changed later again

[cunning needle]

so that means this is 9%

[balmy condor]

yes

[cunning needle]

okay thank you

[fallow canopy]

Simbolic victory rework leaked

[bright turret]

would like to see sin get a little love after it falls behind though

[fresh kelp]

The total fazed amp goes from 8 to 24% and then the crit damage too and the dr gets tripled

[balmy condor]

and now you know why sub is playing the rotten all of a sudden

150% crit damage on shadow strike

kinda weird!

[cunning needle]

we chaos bolting gang gang now

[fallow canopy]

Except the chaos bolt is the incinerate or w/e destro do to generate shit

[waxen oyster]

outlaw greenskin build

blizz needs to add a flag toy

that can be macroed to ks

[barren yarrow]

are we still vanishing last few seconds of DM?

for improved garrote

[balmy condor]

no

[barren yarrow]

ok

ill re read your guide. I cant remember why lol.

[balmy condor]

I mean you do vanish for imp gar

but there's not a timing to do so really

as long as you have it during deathmark or whatever it's chill

imp gar is kinda whatever these days

[barren yarrow]

ah ok

[hexed frost]

Anything for assa this patch or it's gg?

[balmy condor]

we are not getting a buff

[barren yarrow]

were not getting nerfed either 😄

[storm forum]

we're getting QoL for DS?

but i think its still gonna be shit

[cunning needle]

nah jumping DN stonks rising

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/rope-primal-survivor-carrying-getting-ready-bunch-of-ropes-gif-19434444

ropes for everyone i guess

[vestal wren]

you still get the new upgrade and bad luck protection systems

so patch makes everyone stronger

[hexed frost]

but some are more stronger than others fuu

[golden loom]

And assa is totally fine?

[vestal wren]

Hard to say, its more that assasssination is currently the best option

but the patch does not buff it

so sub/outlaw get ahead

[barren yarrow]

my friend whos playing sin wants to know why does his envenoms sometimes crit for over 100k and other times his crits dont hit for much

on fatebound

[golden loom]

Abilities have a certain hidden damage range

[barren yarrow]

he thinks its tied into the coins on fatebound

[golden loom]

I mean yeah the damage buff you have from it is different at different times aswell

[balmy condor]

puzzle box

zoldyck

amp poison

7cp vs 5

any number of reasons really

[boreal mist]

does dungeon slice work for us or is it just patchwork 5 targets

[buoyant herald]

dslice is good for what it is

for rogue

[deft vault]

How do you sim for ptr stuff? Isnt it something like ptr=1 in advanced stuff

[balmy condor]

correct

[deft vault]

in custom apl?

[balmy condor]

I usually do the header in expert mode I think

haven't simmed ptr in a long while

[deft vault]

What companion makes the ?? delves boss easier? he 2 taps me from melee swings if i use a healer companion

[rugged basalt]

gm

I think healer works best for us

There are tricks of the trade intervals that allegedly work

[balmy condor]

Welcome to 12.0.5

Hiya, here's a compiled short list of the 12.0.5 things to keep a note of:

Cloud Cover? Trickster? Sub? Outlaw?

Yes, Sub and Outlaw both got insane buffs with the trickster changes. We did not get any buff. We are still fine, in high keys we provide much more prio damage than sub. Outlaw might be better in keys, but we're still totally fine. In raids, the balance seems to be roughly the same. If you played sub before, it's still good. If you played sin before, it's still good.

Bonus Rolls

Mythic+ costs 1 roll, Raid costs 2, making mythic+ rolls much better. If you don't know what you're supposed to be bonus rolling, do NOT bonus roll raid items.

1. Pit of Saron (Dagger + generic items)
2. Algethar (puzzle box + generic items)
3. Skyreach (If you don't raid, has more decent items + dagger and a second trinket)
4. Mythic Chimareus for Alnseer (or Mythic Beloren for plume if you want)
5. Doesn't matter, roll for whatever you want (don't roll for hero gear, 10's are very doable)

Realistically you will be in Pit of Saron prison for a while if you're wanting to be efficient. You can of course go and get your puzzle box first, especially if you are getting most of your myth items from raid, but algethar has "bad" items that you can roll, where are basically everything from Pit of Saron is great.

Voidcore Upgrades

THIS IS NOT ACTIVE FOR ANOTHER FOUR WEEKS
You can get +9 item levels on a Max Hero/Myth Item, or +10 on a myth crafted item (weapon/trinket only). You should generally never use these on Hero items, especially with the bonus roll system.

1. Main hand dagger (doesn't matter which dagger, any 6/6 myth dagger works)
2. Puzzle Box (good trinket yep)
3. Gaze (or plume, good trinket yep)
4. Crafted offhand dagger (what else are you going to use it on)

Spec Changes

Nope.

• There's a new button for deathstalker to move the mark around. It's obviously worth using if you're in a situation where the mark is off in a different country, but deathstalker itself still sucks. If you really must play Deathstalker, you would want to snipe dying targets if you have 2-3 stacks of the mark still, in order to move the mark and instantly get a darkest night. This is super degenerate, hard to execute, requires a lot of brain power, and the dps gain is incredibly hard to nail down. This does NOT make deathstalker better than fatebound. You should still play fatebound everywhere.
• The new deathmark-jumping talent negotiable contract is entirely non-negotiable. This talent is arguably the worst DPS talent ever added to Assassination. Not only is it genuinely terrible on its own, it's also on a choice node with finish the job (10% all damage during deathmark), which is genuinely a really good talent. I don't think anyone can make an argument for why this exists.
• AoE blind is back! We were already taking airborne irritant though, for the blind CDR so nothing really changes
• Sanguine Vial is actually pretty decent, except for one problem. When you DEAL THE KILLING BLOW. That is very important, and kills the talents viability in Raid, makes it pretty awful in mythic+ (although you can get a lot of killing blows with sudden demise if you swing that way). Where this talent shines is for the open world/delvers out there. Probably won't see much use outside of that.

[haughty flicker]

Sudden demise gamers rise

Now we heal

[hexed frost]

man those 47M demise pops in TWW S2 used to hit different man. Palas and mages were always malding because the big adds used to drop dead from 30% HP before they could finish their CDs

Good times

[rugged basalt]

Sudden demise to guarantee sanguine vial it’s pretty trivial actually

What ilvl does a hero track item upgrade to?

Oh 9

[runic hinge]

We’re gonna heal parse so hard now

[rugged basalt]

Chimaerus cage into pit prison into algethar academy I guess

[golden loom]

im just gonna get gaze from vault tmrw and then first roll puzzlebox

[zinc frost]

At least with pit prison or algethar prison you have a rough time frame of when you get released

[deft vault]

dafuq everything in pit is crit haste

[cunning needle]

ye good stats

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[balmy condor]

stats are very strange in the dungeon pool

I think nexus point has no less than 7 bis items for shadow priest

[normal mist]

O.o

[balmy condor]

yeah

it's insanity

two rings are set and crit/haste and hast/mast, the staff is haste/mast

You can get 3 tier slots, cloth hands are crit/vers (cata'd to haste/vers), the legs are crit/vers (cata'd to haste/mast), the shoulders are haste/mast

so realistically with haste being the best stat

everything in there has haste or can be cata'd into haste

the back piece is mast/vers, and I don't think the cata can save that one

but it's fucking bonkers

[golden loom]

atleast rolling a gaze shouldnt be too hard

[balmy condor]

I think for clothies, maisara caverns is all crit as well

[old obsidian]

then in saron we got dagger, neck, ring and belt?

then academy? for trinket?

[spring needle]

Progging dragons atm, anyone that know a way to make an addon scream at you if you are targeted for breath? 🌬️ Or make BW scream even harder, e.g. with custom sound for example?

[golden loom]

pit of saron for me is like only the ring

[balmy condor]

yeah for us the dagger is crit/haste, the neck is crit/haste, the ring is crit/haste, the back is crit/vers, the wrists are crit/haste, the belt is crit/haste, and there's legs

which are haste/mast but you can cata if you don't have myth tier

legit every item is usable

[balmy condor]

I put a rough order into the pins (and the guide)

[old obsidian]

I've had "bad luck". I have everything Biss but Hero, I have over 300 unused mythic badges D:

[deft vault]

We get 2 bonus roll token tmrw?

[old obsidian]

+300

[balmy condor]

2 every week yes

although it's kinda unclear what we get tomorrow

[rugged basalt]

If your luck is utter dogwater in gv then you get 3 a week

[balmy condor]

like maybe there's a prequest or something

and we don't get it until next week

but the PTR actually fucking blows

so no one has any idea

[rugged basalt]

Honestly I think it’ll be flavor text conversation

Augh..me balls…do like idk an LFR…more balls…

If he asks me to help him with crafting again I’ll beat his ass personally

[flint tusk]

In before lazy people complaining they didn’t do Decimus’s weekly so don’t get bonus rolls

[old obsidian]

So is getting that dagger in Saron better than upgrading the one from the second boss in Void?

[shy heron]

Bw private Aura should have customizable sounds

[rugged basalt]

With tunneling into crit/haste sure, but sims may differ based on other equipped gear. The agi jump is far more of a focus anyway imo

[shy heron]

I think it's specifically under private auras though

[golden loom]

max ilvl dagger is max ilvl dagger

[rugged basalt]

I feel like the alert sound it gives when you have to walk out of tether, gloom, or run out of breath are like the only things you’d need to listen out for though, no?

[quiet star]

so crafted myth weapon will be worse than original myth?

after upgrade I mean

[spice surge]

Same difference as now

[quiet star]

thx

[fallow sonnet]

do we have to pop puzzle box once bleeds are all applied or before spreading them?

[balmy condor]

before deathmark in your opener

[balmy condor]

doesn't matter, myth dagger is myth dagger

[spring needle]

Good point, would just be nice to have a unique sound for the breath 😅 I will look into private auras in BW though

[quiet star]

rly assa is in very good spot with pos farming

almost all items is great

[astral sundial]

By "Farming" people mean 2 a week right? Or am I missing something?

[balmy condor]

ye

[west totem]

Will you ever upload a Assa rogue guide my friend?

On YT

[balmy condor]

probably

[deft vault]

How long of a patch arr we expecting tmrw?

[shell plaza]

is the item for upgrading the weapos/trinket to 298il obtainable once per week or ?

[keen raven]

@balmy condor u reckon theyll buff asa with the buffs coming to outlaw/sub?

[balmy condor]

scheduled until 3pm pacific, 6pm eastern

[balmy condor]

no

[balmy condor]

no one knows

[balmy condor]

I guess more specifically, I don't see a world where cloud cover stays that strong

[keen raven]

lmao so u think theyll just nerf the sub/outlaw changes?

[deft vault]

I mean have you seen how bonkers that talent is lol

[keen raven]

honestly i wish they gave energy restore back on mob deaths

that felt so good

[keen raven]

yea i mean have u seen every class in keys/raid tho

rogues like midpack

[deft vault]

Gotta be in contention for one of the strongest single node in the game no?

[balmy condor]

yes, I don't think it's intended that a random choice node in the middle of the tree is more than doubling the value of the entire hero talent

[deft vault]

Yeah sure rogue is mid but theres a better way to buff them then to make one random ass talents give like 20% dmg

[keen raven]

oh i mean i agree 100%

the changes to rogue have been omega lazy

even if they made rogue top omega bis

the class still feels awful to play

[balmy condor]

ah yes, my 14 talent point hero talent tree is worth a total of 11%, except if I swap this innocuous talent randomly now it's 25%

this is completely reasonable and intended

surely

[deft vault]

Whats the general public opinion on how assa design/feel?

[rugged basalt]

Shirley they hot nerf it

[keen raven]

energy starved and dogsht

in huge packs its fine

but anything else

[shell plaza]

i like how assa feels

[balmy condor]

yeah... that about sums it up

[keen raven]

i feel like im a target dummy waiting for energy

[rugged basalt]

I’m biased. Starving occasionally. Feels nice otherwise

[balmy condor]

"energy starved and dogshit"
immediately followed by
"this is great I love it"

[keen raven]

it feels awful

[rugged basalt]

It’s over (5 seconds) we’re so back

[shell plaza]

feels great

[balmy condor]

basically the public consensus is the same as its been for the last decade

there is no consensus

and people who hate it hate it

and people who like it like it

[shell plaza]

real

[keen raven]

eh