outlaw

[real valley]

is outlaw energy starved now or is it cuz i'm lvl 80

[wintry solar]

80

[gaunt phoenix]

[real valley]

cringe

[wintry solar]

Both really

[real valley]

cringe x2

[wintry solar]

Just prio haste over ilvl and you'll be fine

[cunning lintel]

Do we have an updated build for the new patch?

[wintry solar]

Everyone gets the build but you actually

Solo will update everything later

[edgy owl]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[rich crane]

Guys with .5 change we've more crit on pistol shot no ? Ranger-Captain's trinket will be stronger if pistol shot proc it a lot more with opportunity proc ?

[inner yacht]

i think we have more crit dmg not crit chance on builders

[river wing]

ps gets +20% critchance in another trickster talent

it's gonna be pretty funny with extra crit chance and extra crit damage

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, though i think it's not too significant

[rich crane]

Ok thanks !

[weary goblet]

You're our :jackpot: (I don't have server)

[gaunt phoenix]

[toxic galleon]

outlaw gonna be big after changes?

[weary goblet]

Seems pretty cool, gonna start getting back into it after reset

[grave rose]

seems like more damage, but more annoying to play?

I havent tried it on the ptr. Going by what ive read in here

[static crescent]

Idk, cloud might not be super bad in m+

If it doesnt block vision

[grave rose]

I think its more annoying because of KS and wasting CPs

[static crescent]

In raids id see it might have issues (?)

[tulip quarry]

KS is the pain atm, i feel it weird to integrate to the rotation

Like it tends to line up with BR :/

[soft trout]

Do you reckon outlaw could be any good on Cosmos, Belo and Midnight falls?

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe zac will prog lura as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

yes

dont play outlaw on crown or belo tho

you would be inting hard

specially beloren

dont do that

[soft trout]

outlaw on Lura would be cool

I hope that'll work out for you

[vivid vessel]

it will

i will gap all these subs and assa meta slavers

dw

[soft trout]

[gaunt phoenix]

pushing my limit on this pin

[frozen quest]

I got the haste/mastery mh for outlaw from Dragon Bosses mythic 🙂

[near rock]

im finna do it

(for like 5 pulls)

[vivid vessel]

on belo?

[near rock]

ye

[vivid vessel]

i mean if you try killing it as outlaw

i think you are kinda inting but

just my opinion

[near rock]

lok's egg dmg in prog was pretty good and I think because egg phase is 40seconds+ it is perfect to line up with two cloud covers back to back

[remote pecan]

i mean once your raid is geared enough to not need your dmg on the egg then outlaw would probably do well no because it'd do most of the p1 work?

[near rock]

so it should be a sizeable gain

still might lose to sub but I don't think it'll be a large diff

only gonna try it a few pulls tho and see how the dps looks

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix did you know that if you add buffs at 0 its not there for first gcd, here im adding loaded dice

[vivid vessel]

and you only have prep once in the fight

i mean common

you cant think outlaw come even close to a cd spec

[near rock]

worth a shot

just for data at the very least

[gaunt phoenix]

wdym add buffs at 0

[vivid vessel]

i mean add buffs

for prepull

[vivid vessel]

you only have prep for first one also so

[near rock]

i am aware

[formal knot]

outlaw will be meta.. you will be a meta slave.... how the tables have turned

[vivid vessel]

from what im seeing sub would do between 50 to 100k more than what lok was doing on outlaw

during first phase

i cant imagine 2nd phase without prep

you would do even anything remotely close to first phase

[gaunt phoenix]

try override.precombat_state=buff.loaded_dice.stack=1

[vivid vessel]

ah thats cool

i like this

[gaunt phoenix]

hm im not sure how to do it multiple times

[vivid vessel]

wdym multiple times

[gaunt phoenix]

to override both loaded dice and supercharger etc.

[vivid vessel]

works for me

[gaunt phoenix]

oh nvm it works

[gaunt phoenix]

12.0.5 Round-up

1. Ace was buffed at 2 points, we will now use 2 Ace all the time
2. Trickster now has a reworked Cloud Cover talent, which is ridiculously strong and boosts Trickster by >10% ahead of Fatebound for all content. More info here #outlaw message

Overall Outlaw is about ~13% stronger than it was last patch.

Trickster ST Build | AoE Version

^ Flickering Steel is the default again, Thief's Vers might average barely ahead but not enough to give up the energy.
^ Preparation is more necessary than before as the extra AR means more Cloud Cover uptime.

Trickster stuff

Going Trickster means:

1. We use Killing Spree as a finisher, with lower priority than BtE
2. We finish at 6+cps, you don't Dispatch at 5 anymore
3. Haste is a little more valuable but not significantly past 25% in most scenarios. Just if you were hovering around ~21% it's worth simming if you could get a little more.

There are a couple new rules/minutiae:

1. The opener is now always AR + RTB + SND just before the pull, as opposed to Dispatch being the first finisher. This is so you get to Supercharge BtE immediately and with the new Ace, the reset chance is much higher.
2. You will use Preparation regardless of KS, it is not important to reset KS in particular. So in most openers you will Prep as soon as BtE is on cooldown.
3. You can cancel KS with a builder/finisher (whatever is next in priority) when you have excess energy. So in most openers, you will KS during the first AR and then cancel it as you approach full energy. It is not a big deal to cancel KS, it's just common that people don't like the channel and want to cancel it.

Opener

(~2s before pull)

• AR + RTB + SnD
  (On pull)
• BF if needed > Blade Rush > build to BtE > ... Prep if BtE doesnt reset > Blade Rush > build to BtE > build to KS

Don't forget to KIR in the opener if you hit stage 3+.

You can AR immediately after the first one expires though you can also delay it until BtE is ready. This also naturally extends Cloud Cover uptime

Nitpicky rules might be subject to change as the dust settles.

About KIR (again)

For whatever reason Trickster likes to hold KIR until stage 3 all the time. That means you can go the entire pull without using KIR, and sometimes you will fall to stage 1 for a bit, but the potential of using KIR at the higher stages is seemingly worth it on average.
I don't love this rule. I think it's a bit too "sim ideal" for when you have full uptime and has too much potential to low-roll. I think you should continue to KIR at stage 2 if you expect an upcoming roll without Loaded Dice, this is < 1% expected loss and should feel better preventing our lowest lows.

[vivid vessel]

worth noting its prolly a bigger gain in aoe

the kir thing

because more cdr

send me your apl you have rn solo

im looking at stuffs

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, stage 3 is twice as strong in aoe than st

[vivid vessel]

ye well i was also mostly thinking you have more cdr in aoe cause of bf cp

so its also easier to just natty maintain loaded

[vivid vessel]

ty brave sir

[river wing]

manual SnD

[hasty warren]

omg trikster is back

[normal quail]

Wait this is not cool

[river wing]

yes.

ngl, SnD should have become an always-on passive like three expacs ago at the latest

giving everyone Cut to the Chase was a crutch

[hasty warren]

manual snd is only for opener no ?

[normal quail]

Imo trickster more enjoyable anyway so it’s a worthy trade off

[hasty warren]

un can make a macro for the open

[normal quail]

Next ur gnna tell me to use one button rotation 😭

[river wing]

yes
I still don't enjoy having SnD on my bars

like it stopped being good design more than a decade ago

[hasty warren]

idk I still have a void in snd spot so

[normal quail]

It’s just gonna be inconvenient like using backstab for death macabre on sub last season

[static crescent]

So without the effects from hero tree, we would not even take killing spree with current tuning? Meaning the on-effects are the only reasons

if cancelling is worth

[river wing]

yes

KS is a DPS loss without Trickster

[static crescent]

that is just fucking stupid

[river wing]

yes

[static crescent]

Instead of pressing it to blast its some cringe thingie

[river wing]

welcome to Rogue world

[vivid vessel]

it also is rng targetting

[normal quail]

trade off is it looks cool 😎

[vivid vessel]

so in any big pull it would be worth canceling anyway prolly

because you are doing damage

to non prio target

think first pack academy

there is no way you dont cancel ks

you are wasting all the damage

[static crescent]

Q_Q

[hasty warren]

rework ks again pls

[river wing]

no need for a huge rework
like legit

1. make it only hit prio, cleave off BF
2. make it not refund CP but instead extend AR by 0.7-1s every 0.5 seconds so that keeping it up is worth

(could probably make it hit/channel twice as fast)

[vivid vessel]

cp refund is cool i think

i think it should be faster tho

and there should be something for like

when you get to max cp

it auto cancel

but consume all remaining damage

[static crescent]

so zac you reckon your just gonna legit press it in pulls like AA and just SS cancel asap

[vivid vessel]

so you arent getting fucked over when you spend at higher cps and supercharger

also it should be faster inside adr

or extend adr

whatever solution

to make it better in adr

like any other spell is

[vivid vessel]

yes

[frozen quest]

Does Outlaw ever ambush ? Or only ss/ps?

[vivid vessel]

no ambush ever

unbind it

[wintry solar]

Ambush in the big 26

[hasty warren]

why does duration scale with cp lol

[vivid vessel]

ye that

idk

like if it just auto canceled

at max cp

it would be fine

[static crescent]

Lets say theres 8 skeletons that do fuckall, no prio target at all, someones holding a gun to your head and saying you cant pull anything else, will you still cancel?

[vivid vessel]

it would be a set duration

[hasty warren]

why we're chaneling a spell as fking outlaw

[vivid vessel]

at max cp i will cance l

[static crescent]

yeah oke

[hasty warren]

ngl former ks fan funier to use

but more frustrating

[river wing]

I mean
it could be monk kick instead I guess
but I don't mind the channel itself as such

[static crescent]

well, i think i can live with this i guess

[river wing]

the thing that scares me most is energy

FB is already kinda iffy at times

[hasty warren]

I love outlaw for apm and always pressing buttons

[timid idol]

i have to press snd...?

[river wing]

well me too
but I like the feeling that I'm doing something more than the actual button presses as such
which makes KS work out in my book as long as it's just once in a while rather than every second press

[timid idol]

this has to be a troll

i havent had that shit on my bar for centuries

[static crescent]

We used to press snd before aswell

in m+

[timid idol]

i havent pressed it since df at least

maybe more

[static crescent]

Well, theres still chance for notes this evening

the KS issue seems to be kinda stupid even

maybe we see something

[timid idol]

lol

we had to be bottom of the barrel to even see this current buff

they aint fixing shi

[static crescent]

idk, this buff is just some weird RP thing regard smoke clouds and rogues and just ending up buffing outlaw

i dont even think theres a vision of buffing outlaw behind it

[timid idol]

yea lol

[static crescent]

they want the guy playing league of legends that is an OTP Heimerdinger, coming from work drinking few heinekens, logging into wow, hopping to play trickster outlaw rogue feeling good about himself, hopping around in a smoke cloud, then he presses KS and the quest mob doesnt die and hes upset

bet they will fix it

[timid idol]

insanely hilarious analogy

cuz thats the exact same thing a league player would say about the wasd changes

with a wow player in his analogy

gaming communities are a circle

[static crescent]

Wonder if KS only doing damage to primary and working with bf would make it huge

that should be a reasonable thing to happen before patch

[timid idol]

idk about huge but it would be better

the spell still kinda does cheeks damage no?

[vivid vessel]

it already works with bf

[static crescent]

cuz ideally KS should be like this, lets blast cd, but that is difficult tuning wise

oh

[vivid vessel]

its a st thing that cleave with bf

the st part is just rng targetting

for whatever reason

it will shoot random targets

[timid idol]

how much i lose by not pressing snd

[weary fog]

ks is gonna target the 1hp zombies on maisara/pit isnt it

[static crescent]

Guess its such a short duration of random stuff that for most of us just padding that time doesnt matter much

idk

guess il start off with just cancelling it at 6cp and see from there

[keen belfry]

It’s good, better than most hero trinkets barely

[vivid vessel]

its not that

ks does like 8% of your damage right

so you have to think it that way

you are losing 8% damage

in some packs

for no reason

idk think about the mobs that dont take damage in pit

where you have to kill the big dude to kill them

obviously this is worse case scenario

but you could just be losing 8% damage this whole pack

just cause ks went on these target perma

[static crescent]

True

[normal quail]

So sending KS in raid/m+ on ST is worth full duration?

Or still worth to cancel? If other things available?

[weary fog]

ks hitting the maisara training dummies if ur tank pulls the pack on top of them

[young prism]

What about the haste cap now @vivid vessel with 12.0.5?

[gaunt phoenix]

you cancel when about to overcap energy

[young prism]

shall we aim for >25 now?

[gaunt phoenix]

haste is a bit better but shouldnt be significantly ahead of 25%

like my 24% does not want haste flask

but i would still haste flask on specifically vanguard/dragons

at sustain 2-3 target

[young prism]

and for m+ content?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[young prism]

crit it is then?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[ashen void]

nothing to worry about for coup yeh? like trying to line up coup w/ supercharger or anything

[gaunt phoenix]

dont worry about coup

[young prism]

hm just wondering about one more thing

[ashen void]

[young prism]

I'm using plume and got arround %40 crit when the trinket is stacked

[gaunt phoenix]

Anything unseen blade is completely secondary compared to how powerful cloud cover is, it overshadows the rest of the tree

[ashen void]

ty solo you're a treat

[young prism]

should I switch to vers/matery flask in this case? again for m+

[gaunt phoenix]

you can ALMOST not use KS at all but it is still worth it for now

probably crit flask though you can top gear flasks now

[young prism]

alright

thanks again @gaunt phoenix

I got one final question if I may 😄

do you have any data (like comapred against sub)

[gaunt phoenix]

not really

idk

I dont like simming outlaw vs sub

Outlaw is prob better if burst doesnt matter

[vivid vessel]

outlaw will be better than sub in keys next week for sure

[young prism]

my only concern is that it'll last for 24hours or less

[vivid vessel]

i dont think we will be better than meta specs

i dont think i will even outdamage my arms warrior

[young prism]

well outlaw doesn't need to outdamage anyone if we are talking about nerfs 😄

[gaunt phoenix]

I will laugh if they gut the talent especially since people are fotm switching to outlaw

but I would bet it does not happen

[near rock]

isn't arms aoe getting nerfed tomorrow

[exotic agate]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

idk for some reason arms doesnt have any pins

but from what i heard its a st buff

[near rock]

st buff, aoe nerf

[vivid vessel]

and very minimal aoe nerf

which would be quite good prolly

because arms is legit doing so much aoe

you could nerf it by 10% aoe

it would still be the best spec in the game

now if its whatever the number i have heard

which are legit 1/2% aoe nerf

and st buffs?

its kinda goated

im talking collosus btw

because you play that in 99% of keys anyway

as long as you have funnel on bosses collosus does infinite st infinite aoe

no reason to play the other talent tree

which i heard was the one getting hit harder

[granite quarry]

anyone got a vid of playing with the new changes or has messed around with them on ptr? lol i cant wrap my head around how aids it sounds to do bosses like salhadaar etc with the constant movement and trying to dip into this smoke

[vivid vessel]

i saw this also @near rock

[light mountain]

ionno why everyone talking abt potential outlaw nerfs as if the trickster buffs are gnna make u top the metres still gonna be lacking behind anything slightly above average 🤣 🤣

[copper radish]

New outlaw tomorrow 🔥

[vivid vessel]

if its accurate its just an arms buff lol

very substantial buff also

getting 8% more 1 and 2 target is massive for keys

when you get only nerfed by that ammount for aoe

[light mountain]

lasts for 10s coming out of smoke i think

dont have to sit in it

[harsh cape]

That souinds like quite some outlaw biased thought process. What about the 0 funnel specs like Elemental, boomie, even sub.. Would u have them just do their single target rotation on every pack untill prio mob dies?

[vivid vessel]

buddy half the specs in this game gain prio in aoe

also having the damage be rng for a spell that is target capped is genuinly terrible

[devout garden]

Colossus is doing 0 st dmg if its only 1 target(pure st) but when there is 2nd target it hits hard

Arms thing cuz sweeping strikes

[granite quarry]

not awful then i guess, cant be outlaw without some gimmick tied to the spec

[vivid vessel]

just bring funnel and it does infniite st

if you get a st buff idk xdd its kinda gonna be silly

[gaunt phoenix]

the smoke lasts for 10s, and then you get a +10s buff when you leave the smoke

so, ideally you just want to be in the smoke right before it expires

it's not going to work out all the time and you might get 16s of cloud cover instead of 20s, oh well

it's still a ridiculous talent even if you cant optimize the smoke

[ashen void]

better to have stank once than never to have stanked at all

[harsh cape]

Its not nearly as big of a deal u make it out to be. Last time I checked Elemental shamans are doing +20 meta-worthy and they press Chain Lightning and Easrthquake. The world doesnt end with the Outlaw rogue not doing prio dmg for the few seconds of KS..

[vivid vessel]

you are losing 8% st in aoe

and thats litteraly the only thing outlaw does well

being able to prio in aoe

we are target capped

we dont have cds

and half the spec in this game still do more prio than you so

[copper radish]

Are we still doomed

[vivid vessel]

i can complain that ks is a shit spell cause of rng targetting

lol

[granite quarry]

sounds like we need old ks back tbh, give me something to blame for dumb deaths

[copper radish]

I’d love the risk of dying in shit again to have the old KS back

[harsh cape]

Which confirms that ur being biased. Its just nitpicking cuz u dont pesonaly like it..

[vivid vessel]

what

tf are you on

i didnt ask for your opinion anyway

who are you

[granite quarry]

lmfao

[vivid vessel]

shaman one trick or what

spell is shit thats not an opinion

[granite quarry]

why would anyone like doing random damage, no one enjoys having a spell do full dmg on unkillable targets like PoS adds etc

[slim hare]

it is

[carmine mountain]

Yall should stop worrying about old KS its never coming back move on.

[slim hare]

spell is anticlimatic wit the spec

[normal quail]

98 parse btw?

[slim hare]

it doesnt fit

[harsh cape]

Literally every spec experiences the same problem with their AOE spells.

[vivid vessel]

ye explain to me why half the specs in this game gain prio in aoe then

[harsh cape]

Sure they do. Does that make them do their single target rotation on AOE pack?

[craggy quiver]

Anyway to track the smoke screen effect or w/e through cdm?

[vivid vessel]

no but they are doing more st in aoe ?

are you stupid

[harsh cape]

Ok and?

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter what button you press if you gain prio in aoe

eh idk you must be trolling

[random stirrup]

devourer does not have an aoe rotation its the same as st

[merry elk]

zac MOGA ❤️

[random stirrup]

but they do way more damage to the st guy in aoe

like up to 100%+ more on reset

[vivid vessel]

my spec loses 8% st damage in aoe when i play trickster because of one stupid spell that has terrible design
my spec only niche in keys basically is doing st while aoing except nowadays half the spec in the game legit just gain funnel for free doing aoe cause why not

so i cant complain about ks being stupid ?

[random stirrup]

assa is this way as well they just do a lil bit of bleed spreading (and those builders give more cp than mut so its more st damage)

[karmic gust]

this is on icy veins, for some reason even at 41% crit, raidbots shows that using haste flask would be a dps loss kinda weird

[gaunt phoenix]

that blurb is a bit off, it's more like you would haste flask if below around 25% haste, otherwise crit

[ashen void]

c'est incroyable another one for tom "zac" elvis 🚬

[arctic hollow]

I cap 40% crit, 24% haste with the weapon oils. No matter what i do the sims are always lower if i do anything but crit in gems or flask

[karmic gust]

guess it would make more sense for me to go for haste flask here then right ?

[gaunt phoenix]

haste is required but falls off sharply around 25% so you want to haste flask if your haste is lacking

crit is the best stat but softcaps around 40%, but still continues to be good, you prob wont get to the point where you would vers flask instead

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel how good is sending voidcore on dagger for outlaw

u care about offhand ilvl a bit right

i have the one from pit so its giga statted

[vivid vessel]

what

thats terrible

dont do that

[gaunt phoenix]

think dagger ilvl is about the same as a wrist

[vivid vessel]

off hand will be the last item you send on

[gaunt phoenix]

if that helps some perspective

[vivid vessel]

you will send on main hand then 2 trinkets

[random stirrup]

if we get one each week its probably correct to send dagger now for beloren and then outlaw weapon next week

i am kind of a large portion of our egg damage

[slim hare]

about to be on crown what spec should i play

[craggy quiver]

I heard the cores drop like cata charges so

[random stirrup]

I also genuinely dont have a second trinket to send on

[vivid vessel]

me neither but im getting it in vault on reset so

dont copium that

i said it last week for gaze

and i got gaze

this week im getting alleria trinket

i will also settle for a beloren one but i would be mad about iut

[vivid vessel]

are you not killing this week belo?

how many nights have you progged on it

we ahev 2 full nights of prog on belo tonight and tomorrow

i think thats enough for this boss but maybe im mistaken

i hope it is

would be annoying otherwise

[random stirrup]

2 but we never saw second egg

[vivid vessel]

oh really

maybe 2 nights isnt enough for us either then

[random stirrup]

we kinda trolled the first half of second night

but then straight egg p1.2 pulls the entire rest of it

[vivid vessel]

welp

we will see

[random stirrup]

egg damage was also a bit low and our comp is kinda troll

[vivid vessel]

i hope we kill it tonight so i dont have to think about using that voidcore thing on a dagger

[vivid vessel]

our windwalker used his vantus rune on dragon boss during reclear cause he thought he counted as an alt

because he is in theory a alt but he plays his ww on beloren

so we have - 1 vantus

[random stirrup]

we had 2 guys vantus alleria

[vivid vessel]

on the most important guy

[random stirrup]

by accident

[vivid vessel]

gege

[random stirrup]

but they are useless burn specs

[vivid vessel]

ye

[random stirrup]

and we legit barely killed

[vivid vessel]

ours is ww bro ..

[random stirrup]

would have wiped without their vantus

[vivid vessel]

the one topping egg damage ..

[random stirrup]

ye

[vivid vessel]

migth have inted the week but oh well

we will see

[random stirrup]

our holy priest otp is playing disc for the first time since bfa i think

because we dont have enough externals

its rough

[vivid vessel]

we are 100% gonna wipe at 1%

and im gonna be so mad at him

[random stirrup]

what is wave's schedule now

3/9?

[vivid vessel]

wtf is 3/9

3 days out of 9 per week

thats a long week bro no

[random stirrup]

3 days 9 hours noob

[vivid vessel]

ye

[random stirrup]

3x3

[vivid vessel]

but 10h30

cause 3h30

[random stirrup]

idk i i think killing second night would require some gaming

but we also did not game so

[vivid vessel]

ok in theory

we did like 1 h

of beloren

last week

end of week

but thats kinda uiseless prog

[timid idol]

does it really fall off that sharply? how should i take heart of wind into consideration then? should i always keep in mind the haste overcap or is it fine if im at like 20-22 and then heart gets me to like 26-27

[vivid vessel]

just going on it end of week without knowing the boss really

[random stirrup]

unless you are like stealthi guild with the giga prep

[vivid vessel]

well i guess we got to first egg once

and we figured stuffs out

so it wasnt wasted

maybe we get it in 2 days

[gaunt phoenix]

just let raidbots figure it

[vivid vessel]

@random stirrup if i backstab and i dont get to full cp, but im supposed to dance next gcd, would you then dance storm still

ye i guess you would

[gaunt phoenix]

haste bonuses are generally not good cuz we want passive haste all the time

[timid idol]

[random stirrup]

ye

[timid idol]

well

[random stirrup]

if youre talking about burn u should have lots of sht though

[timid idol]

i could get haste pot and run solarflare + kroluk banner thing

surely thats a good trinket on outlaw right

[random stirrup]

vanish will be up for both burns as well to help

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine enough

[vivid vessel]

true

i forget about vanish

[random stirrup]

its just +1cp because no premed but it help a little bit

[vivid vessel]

ye its just on dummies i guess

[random stirrup]

dont forget shaman buff too

very op

[vivid vessel]

yeye i know

wityhuot premed on dummies it get weird

i pressed strike at full cp and didnt get apex

[random stirrup]

[slim hare]

zac is outlaw playable on crown

?

or should i just play sub since its gonna be good for beloren

[vivid vessel]

eh

not really

[slim hare]

dont know where to spend first 298 wep

hmmm

fml

i hope its like catalyst

[rustic lotus]

Does that voidforge extra ilvl only work on non crafted pieces?

[leaden sonnet]

It works on crafted weapons too

[rustic lotus]

Oh I saw some ppl talking about it in another channel nvm

[rustic lotus]

Thanks homie

[grave atlas]

when it says its usable on hc gear it means hc gear gets to 298? dont think so?

[gaunt phoenix]

hc goes to 285 i believe

[random stirrup]

the wording on the catalyst charge 4p announcement is pretty similar to the voidcore upgrade wording

maybe we are saved

[frozen quest]

@vivid vessel do I sim Outlaw gear for dungeonslice or Patchwerk for m+? What gear to take ?

[vivid vessel]

dslice ye

[gaunt phoenix]

slice is fine

[frozen quest]

Or should I wait for Tomorrow ?

[gaunt phoenix]

but i dont think your gear will change either way

[keen belfry]

AR snd feels so bad

[gaunt phoenix]

i like it

noob

[keen belfry]

theres no way u can just SS SND instead?

[gaunt phoenix]

why

[keen belfry]

vibes

i dont like non dmg gcds nside AR

[slim hare]

when would you do that ?

except pre key

[gaunt phoenix]

opener

in raid

[slim hare]

damn okay

[keen belfry]

everytime u pull a boss in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

you AR RTB SND at 1-2 second timer

[slim hare]

what

i see

kind of scuffed

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[slim hare]

to not dispatch then build then bte

sc cp too strong i guess

[frozen quest]

I need the f Ring from pos man I cant get it

[final pagoda]

can we keep complaining and dooming so we dont get nerfed in 12.0.5?

[static crescent]

have you tried getting it harder?

[frozen quest]

Nope how

Already invitier Ring traders to my key

[slim hare]

we will not be nerfed

[static crescent]

Keep doing the instance until you pass out

[violet osprey]

do u really need to stay inside the smoke since it will get refreshed when u step on it?

[slim hare]

but need to keep complaining so we get more buff like devourer

[gaunt phoenix]

no u dont need to stay inside

you can leave

but you want to dip back into it before it ends

to refresh the 10s lingering effect

[static crescent]

Wonder how much of a hazzle it will be to track the cloud duration

[violet osprey]

yy so u got 9 sec

[slim hare]

need wa to track it ?

[keen belfry]

an on cast WA probs

[gaunt phoenix]

weakaura create 10s icon on AR press

[static crescent]

geegee

[gaunt phoenix]

can haflway figure it from the zac aura in last pin

does the same thing but for rtb

[slim hare]

yeah for sure

[keen belfry]

is pisstol shot gonna be 2nd in dps in st

me thinks it will

[slim hare]

but you can create custom buff on acdm tho

[frozen quest]

Nice Name haha

[keen belfry]

issue is the buff has no duration until cloud goes away

[slim hare]

dont care

[keen belfry]

so doesnt really track the cloud duration

[slim hare]

you can create custom buff

on adr press

duration 10 sec

[keen belfry]

acdm can do that?

[slim hare]

yep

[keen belfry]

nice

[slim hare]

at least looks like it

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont need to track the buff on yourself, just the 10s smoke which is static

[frozen quest]

U can do all things with ayje or acdm

[keen belfry]

mmm 2nd ps

[frozen quest]

I prep ayje

[keen belfry]

so solo u just prep even when ks is off cd

interesting!

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

Just prep bte is too good

[keen belfry]

yuh

[gaunt phoenix]

ace chance is so high

[light kernel]

or ks is useless? 😛

[keen belfry]

its probs even better now cuz what if ur first bte doesnt reset

[gaunt phoenix]

that too

[keen belfry]

u just supercharge that one

u are guaranteed 2 sc btes in opener with prep

[final pagoda]

what does zac rtb aura do?

[gaunt phoenix]

helps you notice a bug where rtb disappears from cdm

[static crescent]

lets hope Arcui can generate that 10s timer, otherwise time to get more addons zzz

[slim hare]

ok acdm cant really

[topaz stream]

Is outlaw rogue back tomorrow? Yes/No

[gaunt phoenix]

we're so barack

[slim hare]

it does not let you do 2 adr tracker

1 for adr buff and one for cloud

[topaz stream]

oh bama! im so excited

[slim hare]

need zac wa

[keen belfry]

u can do something like this with acdm

cant change icon tho

[slim hare]

yeah

cant change icon

[keen belfry]

but thats a 10 second timer after pressing AR

[slim hare]

cant track adr duration

[keen belfry]

just leave it on ur icon in ur cdm

bis

[slim hare]

hum ?

[static crescent]

Il just use my phones second timer

[slim hare]

me dont get it the base icon doesnt track adr duration

[keen belfry]

it has overlay thing

[static crescent]

thanks blizzard for this addonless experience

[final pagoda]

yep how does it do that?

[slim hare]

Ho thanks

ill just do that

[mystic berry]

Its the same thing but 3x harder

[keen belfry]

ill probs just us a WA cuz i want icon of fartbloud

[gaunt phoenix]

it just makes a 30s icon when you press RTB or kir, you hide it behind cdm, so when rtb disappears, you see zac thing in its palce

[mystic berry]

Thank you blizzard for nuking fully customizable interfaces with weakauras

[slim hare]

dw

its coming bqck

they fully lost the war

[mystic berry]

they did

rwf was kinda humiliating

For them

[slim hare]

they just fucked every player doing so

[final pagoda]

my cdm icon never 'disappears'. the zac icon will always be overlayed by greyed rtb, no?

[gaunt phoenix]

the bug is cdm icon disappearing

it absolutely does happen

[slim hare]

cdm buff no ?

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt notice it for weeks

[mystic berry]

yeah I saw it myself

[gaunt phoenix]

but then it did

[mystic berry]

My rtb buff disappearing in 3 seconds

Does it happen with bars?

might change until its fixed

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[molten nacelle]

happens with a bar too

[mystic berry]

oh god

[slim hare]

never happend to me with bar

[molten nacelle]

had it happen once

[mystic berry]

I dont want to set up m33k

[gaunt phoenix]

its 28 seconds

[slim hare]

but didnt play much outlaw untill this week

[ashen void]

weirdge

Wonder if it is related to the wackiness of whatever is happening with implacable for sin

[slim hare]

its related to blizzard dont know what a full fledge feature is

so anything they are putting out is not finished/bugged

and for ui/cdm its crazy how bad they are

[frail veldt]

Yeah I'm worried I'm not noticing the big and am just rolling thinking my buffs gone

Gotta fix that

[gaunt phoenix]

it had like a 50s jackpot and it disappeared in the middle of combat

crazy

[ashen void]

wow another person with a take about blizzard bad

[slim hare]

its just the truth

you cant compete with 20 + years of open source dev

[frozen quest]

I heard Theres a kir addon ?

[slim hare]

i mean you can, just blizzard cant(many other can't but they dont have the hubris to think they can)

[silver venture]

oh okey i thought i was going crazy, it happened to me like 3 times now

[frail veldt]

Where'd you hear that

[silver venture]

for some reason everytime on first pull on npx

[frozen quest]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/bonespower

[frail veldt]

Try it out I guess

In a dungeon

Cuz open world or dummies has different aura info

[random stirrup]

this is just gonna play a sound on every roll essentially no?

when do you not roll 2

[kind otter]

I knew I wasn’t bugging out about rtb buff disappearing from cdm. I mentioned it like a month ago and no one responded 🙁

[frail veldt]

Yeah maybe in options you can set it to 3

[keen belfry]

fartcloud WA made

[frozen quest]

No only when 2 or geratet and kir off cd

[slim hare]

when you suck or have downtime

[vivid vessel]

why would you ever need an addon to do that

look at icon bro

[frail veldt]

Share share

[vivid vessel]

my cloud weak aura will be better

[keen belfry]

should we hvae a fart off

[slim hare]

share

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

Fart off fart off!

[vivid vessel]

i will make it on reset

[keen belfry]

i b et i can rip more ass!

[vivid vessel]

takes aproximatively 5 min

[slim hare]

share it then

[frail veldt]

In this corner, the French terror. Full of tacos and ketchup pasta

[slim hare]

dont critics tacos

ketchup pasta is terrorist move tho

[lucid sparrow]

the cd timer for blade flurry is off center its driving me nuts

fix it

[slim hare]

microwave pasta is ok too

[keen belfry]

it legit keeps moving

[vivid vessel]

ok but have you tried not moving it

[keen belfry]

i load it and its setting is like -150

[slim hare]

shoot him more

[keen belfry]

its max is -50!

[vivid vessel]

yes

because my weak aura centers it bro

[keen belfry]

zac give me ur wa

[vivid vessel]

you have it wdym

ohteriwse it wouldnt be -150

[slim hare]

thats why it keeps moving

x)

[keen belfry]

why not centered then lil bro?

[vivid vessel]

should be

its centered for me idk

[frozen quest]

You do all that with m33kauras?

[slim hare]

cause you mess with some settings zac didnt

[vivid vessel]

can try modifying it a bit here idk

in init

dont ask me why i divide by 3

i ahve no clue

[slim hare]

wtf

cant be centered

[vivid vessel]

for some reason the center of this bar is bar wdith /3

not 2

[slim hare]

wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

its probably some icon bs

[frozen quest]

Or what’s the wa addon name ?

[keen belfry]

ayijecdm

[slim hare]

m33kaura

[vivid vessel]

idk for me its perfect centered tho so

idk

dont get it really

[lucid sparrow]

zac

[keen belfry]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[lucid sparrow]

the fth trigger sound

is inconsistent

as fuck

[vivid vessel]

thats not my fault

thats blizzard fault

[frozen quest]

I don’t understand for what I would need m33k when I have ayje

[lucid sparrow]

everything is ur fault !!!!

FIX !!

[vivid vessel]

its not inconsstent its jsut delayed

[jagged plover]

why would zac do that to us

[vivid vessel]

and thats not my fault again

[lucid sparrow]

hes a monster

sigh

[vivid vessel]

blizzard decided your cp procced from ss will be delayed now in midnight

so

ask them to unfuck it

@keen belfry

show me your settings for the bar

[lucid sparrow]

when are we rebelling against blizzard and bombing them like defias almost did to stormwind

[slim hare]

fth sound ? which one are you using ?

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry

[keen belfry]

i thought it would be text offset not being 0 but 0 not fixin git

[lucid sparrow]

oh yea zac

[vivid vessel]

and then idk

maybe you have a diff text size or smth

no clue

[lucid sparrow]

the d1 texture shows up for everything except the shadowed unit frames

what the frick

[vivid vessel]

i dont have this show stack count thing

[vivid vessel]

why x offset at 0

stop touching it bro

[keen belfry]

let me reload maybe it fix it

but still no center

close

[vivid vessel]

ye but

its centered for me

so i dont get it

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

so weird

like you have a little offset i dont have

im telling you tho you can open the code and add a manual offset on top if you want

[slim hare]

divide by 2

dont ask why

[keen belfry]

2 made it wrose

[vivid vessel]

ye i meean

its 3 lol

not 2

[slim hare]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

you did install it with sharedmedia?

[slim hare]

make it make sense

[lucid sparrow]

yea its in there

its weird

works for everything but wont show up in suf

[vivid vessel]

no well

its in there

and you installed it correctly

is different

did you run the .bat etc

[lucid sparrow]

caught

what bat

[vivid vessel]

did you read the guide noob

swear the guide is easy

[gaunt phoenix]

batchest

[vivid vessel]

like

its very siomple !

[lucid sparrow]

ah right this shit

[gaunt phoenix]

genuinely is the game any different now with the ui change

other than ui being more difficult

[vivid vessel]

eh

[keen belfry]

fixed cuh local offset = - (aura_env.essentialCDMWidth / 3 ) + 10

[vivid vessel]

you cant fix blizzard ui being broken

[keen belfry]

+10 fixed me

[vivid vessel]

easy + 10

[lucid sparrow]

thought it was throw it in statusbar folder and gg

[vivid vessel]

no

throw in statusbar folder and run .bat

dont be a noob lil cuh

read the guide

[lucid sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/broccoli-in-hot-tub-gif-7208850437699132279

[keen belfry]

im excited for tomorrow

i think im gonna get a gaze

and 14% dps

[vivid vessel]

@random stirrup i legit forgot about that but you also need to stop pressint bs on boss like 15s before phase right

for unseen blade cd

holy !

beloren gonna be so fun

im excited

[random stirrup]

ye i was doing it accidentally but ye

well

its a bit hard

hes flying for like 10s

[vivid vessel]

why

[random stirrup]

unless u insta pressed bs before ur gonna do it accidentally

[vivid vessel]

wdym

oh

like do it properly

accidentally

[random stirrup]

yes

[vivid vessel]

i thought you meant you were pressing bs accidentally

like a noob

[random stirrup]

no no

[reef forge]

zac will i have to manually update your wa's on reset?

[keen belfry]

oops pressed backstab there oops!

[random stirrup]

we are already hold dps so not pressing buttons and im throwing my lil shuriken

[vivid vessel]

eh idk

thing is

i update my things regularly

so idk

how normal users do

i wish i had a way to idk

send updates and you click a button

and it update every profiles

or smth

[vivid vessel]

huge

i have it bound aswell now

hehe

[serene urchin]

is "You can cancel :ksnew: KS with a builder/finisher (whatever is next in priority) when you have excess energy." a gain?

[slim hare]

well update wa on wago

and it does it automatically if you use theyr client no ?

[vivid vessel]

is the client still a thing

i actually have never used it so

[slim hare]

dont know x)

i dont use it when nothing break i dont update

[real yew]

They will nerf cloud bomb, right? There's no way we get 10% dps in a talent.

[cinder relic]

This discord is genuinely the only discord who will see a buff and ask "So were getting nerfed right"

[unique fulcrum]

i think people are just scared that blizz overlooked the fazed stack thing and they gonna nerf it

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

Like 0.3%

Huge

[cinder relic]

This entire server needs to stop being so fucking beta

UNHOLY DK

THE BEST MELEE DPS IN THE RAID

IS GETTING A 3% buff on reset

DEVOURER DH

IS GETTING A 3% BUFF ON RESET

THESE ARE SOME OF THE BEST DPS IN THE RAID

DO u think they are "SCARED" of getting a 3% buf?

[real yew]

But we're rogues, we don't have blizzard love

[cinder relic]

Absoltely fucking not

You guys need some fucking confidence in your life god damn

[keen belfry]

lets unpack that

[outer meteor]

w crashout

[cinder relic]

Im just sayin man

Just take the buff

We need it

We deserve it

[cursive stag]

oh no guy is talking about outlaw pride, thats a 20% bf nerf

[placid ocean]

I love guy crash outs

[cinder relic]

I guarentee if I look at the Devourer DH discord, the spec that gets bi-weekly 3% buffs to ST, while being one of the best ranged DPS of the tier, aren't speculating on getting nerfed

[tepid star]

Any1 can help me with a log ? Like I know im not good on Outlaw but I know Basics. But 8 is harsh

[echo tapir]

yall need to watch your blood pressure lol

[cinder relic]

they are probably saying "yep we deserve that 3%, give me another 10%"

[placid ocean]

Rogues are just jaded

[cinder relic]

If they nerf the interaction, it'd be in a future patch

Whenever they "bug fix damage gains" they will usually combine it with compensation buffs like they did with shadow this tier multiple times

[random stirrup]

i know ur not a key fella mr guy but i want you to see this

look at that second weakness

[peak dock]

Can we have a fartlaw role?

[peak dock]

Isnt brez an utility?

[cinder relic]

LOLOLOL

me when I lie

[random stirrup]

and grip... and amz...

[cinder relic]

I'm tellin u bro

new talking point

U ready

If DKs keep saying grip isn't real utility, give grip to Rogue as well then

[random stirrup]

the grapple hook grip

[clever wasp]

lets have a discussion about why mcdonalds fries are mid asf instead

[cinder relic]

If its not that good of utility, why not share it around?

[livid trench]

Id love to see that iteration of rogue lmao

[grave rose]

got my arcui setup mostly the way I want, lmk if anyone wants it

[cinder relic]

Americans trying to change the topic; alright so which french fry is the best

[clever wasp]

BK is a underdog

[cinder relic]

[clever wasp]

atleast in europe

[keen belfry]

im going to do so much st in keys tomorrow

[broken cipher]

Low mythic + utility but can immune like every scary mechanic application with ams

(:

[keen belfry]

we might do so much st in keys they nerf our ST and buff our BF

id be so down

[livid trench]

Can I high roll a myth outlaw wep from my vault tomorrow is the question

[gilded tinsel]

Grapple Hook redesigned to "Get over here"

[unique fulcrum]

BK has the WORST fries ever

[unique fulcrum]

what's the chances outlaw will have like 2-3 new bugs tomorrow,i can already smell it

[silk gale]

you shoulda seen me on the tourney realm after 24521 skyreach wipes playing aug

[clever wasp]

also how much are the .5 changes giving us % wise in st/aoe?

[cinder relic]

13%

[clever wasp]

in both?

[cinder relic]

ya

[rugged nova]

13 percent is a nice buff

IMO

[clever wasp]

[rugged nova]

I didn’t realize these changes were that big.

[grave rose]

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-yuge-huge-gif-14073397

sorry couldnt help myself

[gaunt phoenix]

one of the largest buffs in outlaw's history

[cinder relic]

Wits has gotta be bigger

and lowkey the bf fix was also bigger

But for sure one of the

[rugged nova]

That’s funny. I feel like everything I’ve seen has said it’s a small change. But glad to know.

[cinder relic]

I think ppl didnt expect it to interact in the ways it does

[indigo token]

🥀

dude...

[unique fulcrum]

but aren't u wasting 2 secs of AR if u press it before pull

[cinder relic]

like 1 seocnd

[unique fulcrum]

fair

[mystic berry]

enjoy while it lasts

[drowsy void]

do i care about 4 set for outlaw or should i just craft the other 2 with vers+haste

[mystic berry]

We getting nerfed next tuesday

[cinder relic]

U want 4 set

[cinder relic]

Shut the fuck up

[outer meteor]

w ragebait

[mystic berry]

[gaunt phoenix]

its worth

nothing else you can do

[unique fulcrum]

ye true

[gaunt phoenix]

you need snd, and you really want to immediately start with supercharged bte

[unique fulcrum]

how big is the buff for our defence?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's 10% more passive DR when cloud cover is active

[unique fulcrum]

big

[gaunt phoenix]

so ~6% overall

a bit more since you spread fazed a bit better now

[gleaming reef]

If I AR rtb snd on pull won’t be dropping smoke out of range of melee from the boss?

[gaunt phoenix]

you should stealth up to the boss

[gleaming reef]

Oh ok

[cinder relic]

Some bosses have truesight

[rugged nova]

So are we vers haste now? I’ve been crafting crit haste

[unique fulcrum]

how big is the cloud? do we have a pic or smth?=

[gaunt phoenix]

but sometimes you have to leave the smoke, that is fine

ideally you grapple back into it to refresh it before it ends

[cinder relic]

cloud on the right is cloud cover

[gleaming reef]

Any major stat changes?

[gaunt phoenix]

but its not infinite 38% loss to lose some smoke

[cinder relic]

420

[gleaming reef]

I was stacking crit haste still

[unique fulcrum]

that looks pretty good for us

[gaunt phoenix]

we are crit haste, if you have around 40% crit/25% haste, then random vers pieces might win

but crit is still good

[rugged nova]

Got ya. I’m not there yet lol.

[gaunt phoenix]

forever

[gleaming reef]

Now the question is where do I sneak killing spree in

[unique fulcrum]

look at pinned

[gaunt phoenix]

its lower priority than bte and prep

but higher than dispatch

[unique fulcrum]

getting used to not dispatching at 5 cp is gonna take some time for me

[keen belfry]

yuh same

biggest is buiilder prio

[gaunt phoenix]

its only like 0.5% loss to early dispatch at least

tho most outlaw mistakes are like that

[keen belfry]

and u much more often are at 2 cp with trickster, so u kinda have a new thing to think about

cuz u for sure wanna ps there right/

[gaunt phoenix]

well you always ps at 2 cp

idkwymcuh

[gaunt palm]

Is the stage 3 KIR thing due to no Sleight in ST build? And in that case does the rule then not apply for AOE?

[keen belfry]

ye im just saying u are at 2cp much more often now

i feel like i htink about that more now

[gleaming reef]

What if I ss from 2cp into 4cp. Then get 3 stacks of opp?

[gaunt phoenix]

it still applies for aoe

sleight should make kir at 3 a bit better even

[keen belfry]

this is in FAQ, but youd SS

SS at 4 means u MIGHT only waste 1 combo point, ps is guaranteed waste

i wonder if thats different now solo

[gaunt phoenix]

well if you are at 2cp, and use ss and it procs, you dont end up at 4

[gleaming reef]

Ah ok. Thanks. Just not sure about trickster yet. Thank you.

[gaunt phoenix]

unless you have stage 1

[keen belfry]

true

[gleaming reef]

I would end up at 5 right?

[keen belfry]

mhm

or

6

[gaunt phoenix]

you would end up at 6

[gleaming reef]

Oh

[keen belfry]

ss and ps = 4

ss proc ofc

a SS no proc at 2+ gives how many

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are at 4cp and 3 opp. it doesnt matter which one

[keen belfry]

that what i was gonna ask

[gaunt phoenix]

even though the rule cuts off at 3

maybe cause 4 and 3 doesnt happen enough

[keen belfry]

cuz wasting 1 cp is probably equal if not better than the wasted potential energy of 2 ss

[keen belfry]

yeah its really only after coup shit

i think imma press PS at 3

i think better for energy

[drowsy void]

its actually that good ? i dont see anyone running it

[cinder relic]

U don't see anybody running 4 set..?

[gaunt phoenix]

everyone uses the tier set

[drowsy void]

not in shuffle

on murlok i mean

[cinder relic]

oh I mean

[keen belfry]

pvp....

[cinder relic]

#pvp

[gleaming reef]

lol

[drowsy void]

holy shit

[cinder relic]

This is for pve

[drowsy void]

im braindead sorry

[cinder relic]

Idk abt pvp

ur g

[gleaming reef]

Wrong channel

Yup

[keen belfry]

not cool @drowsy void

not cool man

[gleaming reef]

All good haha I don’t know PvP either

[drowsy void]

[gaunt phoenix]

unforgivable ..

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

i saw it

[keen belfry]

new viebs ruyle