assassination

[grim jay]

Tho rn sin might end up in a top tier comp

[high dust]

That was me TWW season 3 pushing DK Frost on the sidelines

[rugged basalt]

The boots shot me up to 278 I've never been these places before

[dire flume]

goodluck bwo

[rugged basalt]

thank u :3

no pull timer key slap wtf

[rugged basalt]

The tank died to 4 first adds.

[unreal hazel]

Objectively mornings start at 06:00 before that is night time. Subjectively, up to you

[rugged basalt]

Prot pallys run algethar??

Fastest abandon I've ever done

[grim jay]

Well you gotta get used to brew and both prots

[dire flume]

gg...

[grim jay]

Because that is what you will mostly see tanking

[dire flume]

yeah ive legit not seen a vdh all season

[rugged basalt]

No like

[dire flume]

except when i played it once yesterday for a weekly

[rugged basalt]

I wonder if this guy sat there puzzling his box and dying

[grim jay]

I did and I never played with one after that

[dire flume]

lmao

yeah it feels awful this ssn

[grim jay]

They are back to jumping in and dying

[rugged basalt]

We wiped on the lust pull, and then he was like ok let me pull just the first 4

Dies

!?

[dire flume]

i didnt die but it did not feel anywhere near as safe as it used to

but also hard to die in a 10-12 as a 250+ tank

[subtle tundra]

crazy filter

least insane m+ "pusher"

[rugged basalt]

[subtle tundra]

(youre doing 13s)

[dire flume]

Competetive 3k alt (+4)

[rugged basalt]

decluttering (only seeing groups better than me rather than people in my boat)

[subtle tundra]

everybody at my level is a loser and bad at the game and the only reason im not higher rating is cause i dont get invited

real?

[rugged basalt]

i thought u werent playing this season

[subtle tundra]

im not

[rugged basalt]

also real

im precious i always get accepted at the end of the day

[dire flume]

this is the mentality of everyone in like 14-18 range wanting to go for title

and they will let you know

while doing tank dps and using no defensives or utility

[rugged basalt]

stank dps

[subtle tundra]

this is my mentality when queing for weeklies

except its true

[rugged basalt]

nxp time!

[solar eagle]

Damn didnt know sin packed such a heavy punch in M+

had a sin in our group on par with dev

[worn geyser]

sin cranks in keys

[solar eagle]

first time i see this since BFA

jeez

[hearty junco]

Anything new for us on the 0.5 patch ?

[solar eagle]

Hope so, I am gettin g a very hard time getting invited to keys

I am applying for much lower keys than what i am capable of, and sometimes declined over a lower r.io profile but ""meta"" fotm

[plucky ember]

aoe blind

[sturdy knot]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/nooka-implacable ive had some sucess testing this this morning if you need a visual aid for tracking the apex talent. Not super sustomizable but better than nothing.

[floral shoal]

When my friends and I pug a fifth player on our Alt vault 10s we always take someone who will get portal out of it. Maybe orhers do this too.

[quasi pine]

wait, what's the addon you're using for searching keys? (premade group something?)

[jolly stirrup]

German Potato

[sturdy knot]

looks like that:

[calm grail]

How do you parse on bird boss?

Wait nevermind. I was told to hold Cooldowns.

[rugged basalt]

Premade Groups Filter and Premade Regions

Beloren u can use kb before egg

[worn geyser]

if ur really tryna parse u can try and time ur cds based on group damage so that your cds end basically when the boss dies so more of the CDs is under 35% hp

instead of insta popping it as soon as u see the egg

[ancient ingot]

Guys should I take occlusion void instead chest (both myth track)? Ofc sim but that ring sounds good

[rugged basalt]

I think you know what I'd say

What does sim say

[ancient ingot]

Ye but that ring using a lot of top50 players

[rugged basalt]

Since you can cata tier pieces I think ring would be a decent choice

[quasi pine]

thx!

[glacial relic]

Pug life, you didnt time a 20 so you dont get inv to a 10. Simple as that

[jolly stirrup]

Relaxed

[ancient ingot]

Also guys how u rly doing ur opener? I mean how much u spin CT before sent cds

[rugged basalt]

me, just once

[opal pike]

Hey guys I don't plan on raiding this season, so I am just asking for some help on vault
Left is a dagger, haste mastery leech. good stats, and with tertiary.
right is the other ring from nexus point so I'd have the set in myth, so both nexus point rings myth, I currently have a champ dagger and I don't know if even crafting a dagger is worth it, Appreciate the help thank you ❤️

[rugged basalt]

like, enough to send cd and then go back to ct env

[ancient ingot]

like CT once -Envenom-DM-KB?

[real pike]

Dagger

[lyric grail]

[rugged basalt]

I would 100% craft a dagger since it goes into offhand even if you get/pick a myth track dagger. That's standard for us to do.
In terms of what to pick, please consider using topgear on raidbots (It will include your great vault choices if you grab simc); Though it might just tell you to take the dagger bc big agility upgrade

[real pike]

Assuming you get 5+ CP from the CT yes

[rugged basalt]

bleeds, ct to get 5 cp, env, ct to get 5 cp, cds, (ct + env loop)

[opal pike]

it's not about simming, it's about what is more value as a myth piece till the end of the season, I might never see that ring again in the vault as a myth, dagger could show up if they do dinnars, or I could craft a dagger, is the ring set good if I plan on not having raid rings?

[real pike]

Don't necessarily agree with this, OH is the least impactful slot so if you are taking a mythic dagger from vault I would sim other crafts, I don't know exactly how good the dagger embellish is

[ancient ingot]

I just saw how some ppls sent only after all extra targets getting bleeds

[lyric grail]

It’s always up to sim

[rugged basalt]

Agility has good value still, which again would rely on the person simming

[real pike]

The ring set bonus is less than 1%

[real pike]

It's not though

[opal pike]

ah really? yeah sure ok dagger it is

i thought it might be more

[real pike]

Sometimes what is a lesser immediate sim is a better investment for the season

[rugged basalt]

I would still....sim to see what it says to be sure

[real pike]

Not often

But sometimes

[rugged basalt]

Like it's still a good ring to have as well

[real pike]

Yes always sim but don't always always blindly follow sim imo

[rugged basalt]

Yes

[normal mist]

My vault told me to pick normal mode gaze vs myth boots, you bet I chose the boots

[rugged basalt]

There's user activity involved

[analog field]

dagger embelish is quite good, and crafting dagger and taking ring could be the move. But all this depends on simming

[golden loom]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k9xNppc7HR3Yu5s5aYudo7 reaching 100k dps when I send crests today

[regal zodiac]

not an assa question, but is plater bad now compared to other options?

[golden loom]

think the consensus is that platynator is just better

[regal zodiac]

yeah i saw the bot suggest platynator too

[analog field]

simpler and pretty much same capability

[quaint dragon]

guys anybody knows if the crafted gear will also be 298 item level with voidcore?

[lethal turtle]

Yes

Weapons

[plucky ember]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1493895386774110218/1493942882564833290/image.png?ex=69e0ce3b&is=69df7cbb&hm=abed05f43f5f30df1950a8a97c65bc36d6cb2629aad3c056f217606dc8fed030&

better then nothing i guess

[quaint dragon]

only weapons?

[lethal turtle]

You asked for crafted.

Trinkets and weapons are the slots getting 298 boost

I do not know if you boost a max upgraded heroic item what the ilvl will be however.

[regal linden]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[fickle quiver]

Yo guys! Is Crucible trinket simming insanely high for what it is or is it really that good?

[plain thistle]

its good for a champ trinket

[sacred ibex]

Assa is good in low Keys? Im 240 ilvl going up with my rogue so i was thinking wich spec use to get good basically

[dire flume]

not really

stuff dies too fast

sub is probably best for low keys because all your damage is up front in like 2-3 globals

[agile wedge]

rip

[frosty cedar]

It goes crazy style

[fickle quiver]

Was just wondering compared to for example Fiber of Living Agony at ilvl 276. It gives 226 crit but i guess Crucible procs more often

[frosty cedar]

Yeah, you have to do the quests to empower it

[glass viper]

just replaced it with myth solar. i miss it already

[frosty cedar]

But if you do, it's better than most maxed hero trinkets, only beaten by plume and gaze

[fickle quiver]

damn, thats insane - mine is fully upgraded

[frosty cedar]

Now you just wait to get a raid drop omegalul

[stuck lodge]

Gaze as well right? Not that I'll ever see that trinket

[frosty cedar]

Ah ydah

I meant to say gaze over pb

[glass viper]

at Myth not hero

[frosty cedar]

Hero gaze does beat it slightly but your mileage may vary

[stuck lodge]

Hero gaze is worse than champ crucible? Wow

[glass viper]

comes out less for me on sim, depends on stats tho

[rugged basalt]

Crucible beats everything except heroic pb, gaze, plume for me in that order

[stuck lodge]

Guess I'm stuck at 263 forever

[rugged basalt]

I see some raiders running boxless plume+gaze though, is this hidden channelless tech

[solar eagle]

why in the world would i get declined in M+ for a DH?????

like devourer is the messiah lmao its topped by demono and it doesnt bring anything

does 0 dmg in small packs

jesus

rogue needs a BR#

[stuck lodge]

I mean devo DH is like the strongest dps class in the game now right?

[solar eagle]

Yea it does dmg, thats it

[stuck lodge]

Okay, and rogue does

[solar eagle]

it doesnt bring shit to the party

[stuck lodge]

....?

[solar eagle]

yea

[lime edge]

I have not seen a good devourer dh

So I dont even think they bring damage

[solar eagle]

but we lack utility, now we are fury warriors with extra difficulty

[lime edge]

[rugged basalt]

What's the AH item for out-of-combat rez?

[stuck lodge]

Our dmg is fine, pretty good even

[stuck lodge]

Emergency soul link

[rugged basalt]

Thanks

[stuck lodge]

It's just meta perception

[solar eagle]

its super good but rogue has had a very shit reputation in M+ since its not MDI favoured

[stuck lodge]

And even then, sub is out there pushing high keys all the time

[solar eagle]

lol black powder spam nice gameplay

i dont like how uneven is sub, and how punitive it is

[stuck lodge]

I doubt people who are accepting dps into their keys give a shit about gameplay

[solar eagle]

i was glad to see assassination not being D- tier for once is all

[stuck lodge]

They want high dmg

[solar eagle]

they want utility

sometimes I wish i picked mage

[stuck lodge]

Not usually, its just make sure you have a lust and you are good to go

Super high keys is probably different

[solar eagle]

Im doing my own keys all time almost

impossible to pug as a rogue

[shell crater]

So I know the whole thing is “spam ct unga bunga” atm but how tf do you deal with the energy drain? I can’t get implac up to 80% on the third+ run to save my life

[frosty cedar]

This seems truly terrible

I mean in raid

In m+ it's probably fine

[frosty cedar]

Do you mean m+ right?

[shell crater]

Yea

[frosty cedar]

You should press CT until they all have bleeds, but from there, it depends on your energy. CT does more damage than FOK, but is less energy efficient

If you have enough mobs that you are overflowing energy, you can certainly spam CT

if you are running lower, you can just use FOK

[shell crater]

Ah gotcha

[little tulip]

during deathmark is it ethical to just ct spam?

[rugged basalt]

I usually don't have the mileage to spam ct beyond everyone having a bleed, maybe this is a higher key thing

You're envenomming when you get 5+ combo points at any given point (provided bleeds are up), including ct spam

[little tulip]

or is it ct > env > ct env idk

[rugged basalt]

Ct until 5+ cp, env, loop

[little tulip]

ye..is there a minimum for targets in range?

or just fok rules where +2 blindside modifying etc

[rugged basalt]

I actually don't know that

[sturdy knot]

2 I use it to spread the dots, 3 same, anything higher than that its spread dots then FOK\CT env..

[frosty cedar]

It's the same as fok unless targets don't have bleeds, then CT is prio

[little tulip]

the 100 parse on heroic beloren got an extra 20k dps somehow i guess

[stuck lodge]

This is a point of some contention, some people say you ignore cp and spam CT until everything has bleeds

[little tulip]

same kill time and everything

3:30

[coral ibex]

who is saying to ignore cp

[frosty cedar]

It's not in contention, as spamming CT is worse

This has been settled already 👍

[little tulip]

there's a conditional where you ignore cp cap during opener still? might be the confusion

[stuck lodge]

Like last week I had like 3 people in here tell me I should ignore cp and spam CT until everything has bleeds

[little tulip]

during prepatch you just jammed bleeds out and then started doing envenoms afair

[frosty cedar]

those people are wrong. About 3 weeks ago it was seen as correct for about 3 days before the SIM was fixed

[frosty cedar]

Could you explain what you mean sorry?

[little tulip]

last season of tww prepatch the rules for ct were get all bleeds up regardless of overcap afaiu because of how efficient it was

idk if that's still true and the reason people are getting confused etc

[stuck lodge]

So even during AA pull, yall are opening and still dumping envenoms, using CT as your builder?

[frosty cedar]

Yep

[little tulip]

yeah i don't dump envenoms at +5 during opener but i'll change it up

better usage of implacable probs and justifies ct spam

[frosty cedar]

Prio dmg, implacable, coins proc, poison bomb, spatter etc etc

Envenom buff as well of course

[little tulip]

yeah makes sense

lil bro's come a long way lmao

[rugged basalt]

I don't think I've gotten to fok during AA first pull

Ngl..I have no idea what FB does I kinda just mutilate and move on 😭

[frosty cedar]

Yeah I never FOK on aa first pull

[little tulip]

the damage is sturdy even without optimizing everything

[dire flume]

by the time you apply every bleed theyre about to drop off and you gotta pandemic and go again

[little tulip]

also that explains why the add i'm hitting just melts while i was doing the not correct opener

[glass viper]

will always be a sub ability in my mind

[plucky ember]

hmmm what should i make with my new sparks

worth makeing a neck you think?

[plain thistle]

I think that depend on what itens you already have, if you have good pieces to use 80 myth crest crafting ring/neck is not worth

can always sim that

[plucky ember]

what would be worth makeing instead?

[vast shuttle]

whats the best build for m+ atm?

[plucky ember]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/talent-builds-pve-dps

fatebound

[royal lantern]

i love still having a normal trinket btw

[cloud dune]

I swapped from outlaw to sin last night, and it was interesting having 900 haste and no mastery. My damage was buns

[worldly sail]

i love my normal guidon

[dusty plume]

how to sim ssin rog?

[coral ibex]

raidbots

[cloud dune]

I got a heroic gaze from vault this week

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee that it wasnt because of stats

because secondary stats have way way way lower impact thant everyone thinks they do

[cloud dune]

I went from a 285 mainhand to a 260 dagger

And with that much haste I was having a hard time letting my envenom fall off when I had 80 stacks of my apex talent without capping energy

[royal lantern]

haste also has near 0 impact on energy

[cloud dune]

When did that change?

[coral ibex]

its been that way since forever

[lime edge]

Idk about that lol

[coral ibex]

you need more haste than can be acquired on gear to make a meaningful difference to energy regen

[cloud dune]

I think the last time I raided seriously on rogue was ... cataclysm?

[lime edge]

Haste scales ur regen and also ur bleed ticks

And poison ticks too?

[cloud dune]

Increases attack speed

[dusty plume]

Can i fix that?

[coral ibex]

10% haste is ~1 energy per second

which is not much

[lime edge]

Ur forgetting the dot

[weary stump]

Hey that's one extra mutilate a minute

[coral ibex]

i'm not forgetting anything

were just not talking about bleed damage scaling with haste

haste has basically no meaningful impact on energy regen

[lime edge]

Bleeds tick faster with haste im pretty sure

Which is more energy

[weary stump]

So you're saying if we get 100% haste we get basically infinity mutilates

[royal lantern]

like 15 years ago

[coral ibex]

nope

i think it increases damage per tick

[cloud dune]

#assassination message

[worn geyser]

discord clan tag accurate

[lime edge]

Dont think so

[royal lantern]

[lime edge]

Pretty sure poisons and bleeds tick faster with haste

[ornate aspen]

Test it out. Stack 1500 haste and see how much energy regen it gives

Spoiler: not much

[fallow canopy]

It does, but like the flat energy regen its not like more haste would make you spam or anything.

[lime edge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/battle-for-azeroth-alpha-bleeds-and-poisons-now-scale-with-haste-281762

[waxen oyster]

only since bfa

[coral ibex]

ok this wowhead post from 2018 says they tick faster but the difference is like tenths of a second for 15% haste

[waxen oyster]

[coral ibex]

so we're talking about extremely marginal increased energy regen from faster bleed ticks

[lime edge]

Well the reason u have infinite energy in aoe is ur ticks

[waxen oyster]

haste is like the biggest fucking placebo on this class

[worn geyser]

i mean u would get tht with almost 0 haste depending on amount of targets

[lime edge]

Well obviously if there's infinite targets lol

Like u dont say

[royal lantern]

yes they do

it still has near 0 impact

[ornate aspen]

Well yeah because you're ticking 8x more with 8 targets. Haste stacking would make you tick 0.2x more

[coral ibex]

no, you basically have infinite energy with 10 targets

[worn geyser]

go walk in AA, hit CT 2 times boom infnite energy glitch

[lime edge]

10 is a lot

So yea duh

[spice surge]

Not really

A lot of it comes from dashing

Like A LOT A LOT

[lime edge]

Dashing?

[cloud dune]

0.2x is a decrease btw

[lime edge]

Isnt that the poison energy

[fallow canopy]

Scoundrel

[spice surge]

Ye

[fleet pagoda]

hello, random question. is caustic still not interacting with singular focus?

[lime edge]

The poison energy works on aoe

Lol

[spice surge]

Correct, and its unlikely it will

[spice surge]

I mean you apply poisons with fok/ct right

[fleet pagoda]

ty ❤️

[lime edge]

Yes

Thats literally what im saying

Huh

I said the reason u have inf energy in aoe is ur ticks

And u said no

[spice surge]

Yeah and its not the ticks

[lime edge]

The poison ticks

[spice surge]

Its the applications

[lime edge]

What

[spice surge]

No

[coral ibex]

yea but you're missing the part where you'd have infinite energy in aoe with 0 haste

[ornate aspen]

1.2x*

[lime edge]

With more mobs sure

Theres a reason why haste Sims well

[cloud dune]

Ok so wouldn't the combination of high haste and high crit equal lots of energy? Since haste increases atk speed, and therefore poison applications, and more crit = more energy?

[coral ibex]

mastery sims better than haste in aoe and only gets better as aoe increases

[worn geyser]

its not even that many mobs needed, your average m+ pull pre much does that

[cloud dune]

Thank you for humouring me

[lime edge]

It actually doesn't unless u dont have puzzle

Like if ur 300 haste 300 master with puzzle

Its gonna say to get more haste

[analog field]

mastery in aoe is extremely more valuable

[coral ibex]

not for me

[analog field]

they are not even close for assa

[coral ibex]

clanker wants me to drop haste for mastery

[lime edge]

How much haste do i have

You*

[analog field]

Let's stop stating random facts

[coral ibex]

16.5% in assa gear

[analog field]

It has been discussed in this chat 1000 times how much mastery is giga good for m+

[lime edge]

Enchants? Or no

Mastery being giga doesnt mean u dont want haste lool

[fallow canopy]

The posts are not even tied to the floor atp

[sacred oyster]

?? I have puzzle and its still suggesting mastery SLIGHTLY more than haste at 275. though they are near equal. haste was higher value at lower ilvls yeah but mastery pulled up at 260+

[analog field]

mastery being giga means you prefer mastery over haste most of the times

ofc having 0 haste will be bad but this is not the point

[worn geyser]

man my raid bots still wants me to get more crit at like 1100 crit in dungeon slice

[lime edge]

Are u guys using haste enchants or no

Thats what im asking

[coral ibex]

on rings yea

[fallow canopy]

Why would we?

[coral ibex]

not on weapons

[analog field]

haste enchants are what 15 haste?

[lime edge]

In literally asking

[coral ibex]

wait no

[lime edge]

Im not saying u should or shouldnt

[coral ibex]

i use the crit effect enchants on rings

[lime edge]

Lool

I mean weapon

[analog field]

main stat

[coral ibex]

main stat

[worn geyser]

i use 1 haste 1 main stat cause thats what the robot tells me

[sacred oyster]

because even at DR, the value of crit still exceeds haste/mastery. you have to hit like 20% DR for haste/mastery to beat it

[lime edge]

Main stat really

Weird

Mine heavily favors crit

At all times

[analog field]

heavily favors mean ?

like 0.2?

[tight ginkgo]

Dumb question but playing around implac is meaningless in aoe yea?

[lime edge]

It wants me to get more crit

Even with crit enchants

[coral ibex]

i have a gorillion crit

[analog field]

this is irrelevant

[worn geyser]

ye im not even at dr yet but i feel u

[analog field]

the qustion is how much worse it sims

to use the agi enchants

[lime edge]

Yea it Sims over agi

Thats what I said

Lol

[analog field]

but how much I am asking

[spice surge]

Lets say you have 50% crit chance as an example and youre fighting 10 targets.

• 5 of them will crit. Which means those 5 will apply a total of 10 poisons+~50% chance to apply 10 more, for a total of 15 poisons > 7.5 energy.
• 5 of them will not crit, so those will all have ~50% chance to apply 10 poisons, so around 5 of them > 2.5 energy.
• Add them together for 10 energy from your Fok cast.
  During that global you will with 0% haste get on average 1 tick per mob of deadly poison and 1 tick of a bleed.
• The deadly poison tick will 50% crit > 5 energy.
• Venomous wound will give you ~5 energy total

Crit is usually better at giving you more energy in aoe than haste is

[sacred oyster]

on weps? they are identical for me at 275. at full 289 "BIS everything", using the crit/haste enchants was a 0.1% difference over acuity.

[analog field]

yeah that's what I am saying

that it is practically the same

[lime edge]

They are multiplicative with each other

[spice surge]

Not really

[worn geyser]

[spice surge]

A little bit yes

[lime edge]

I mean they literally are

Thats how math works

[spice surge]

From the ticks yes

[sacred oyster]

TLDR: pick acuity/haste/crit wep enchants w/e is cheaper and it wont matter

[spice surge]

Not from the fok casts

Which are a very large chunk of it

[analog field]

pick the one that is more well around

so agi sims top for all 3 specs

instead of taking crit and playing sub for example

[sacred oyster]

fair, i only play sin lol.

[analog field]

at the moment crit is good for all 3 so it is ok. But there were other seasons which it was not possible

[lime edge]

Btw i dont even think this is true

In aoe you barely use fok tbh

Other than very small aoe like 3 target

[spice surge]

Its the same for CT

[lime edge]

Well ct doesnt have the poison application on crit thing

So its just ur natural chance

I think most of ur energy comes from deadly poison

The ticks

Vs the hit

Im talking about in terms of poisons only

From scoundrel

[ornate aspen]

Are you arguing the math doesn't feel right? I'm not even sure what the point of this conversation is

[lime edge]

We're just talking about where your energy comes from

[sacred oyster]

i think the convo orig started on the topic of haste, in that the main energy regen from aoe is coming from the tick of a poison, which haste impacts, that haste can influence energy regen of scoundrel, but i think the counter is hastes impact is so minor its not meaningful on that either

[lime edge]

I dont think its actually minor

But yea

[worn geyser]

u can go hit a target dummy with basically 0 haste and find out

[lime edge]

Were talking about in aoe

[worn geyser]

they make target dummies in groups of a few

[lime edge]

20% more energy from ticks is 20% more

[sacred oyster]

well i think the question is ultimately how many ticks are you gaining purely from haste

if you gain 3 ticks, thats up to 3 energy per mob (if all 3 crit)

[lime edge]

It also affects bleed ticks

For uh

Venomous wounds

[analog field]

There are some guys that do tc all day , and then some guys that come here to argue the most random shit known to man

It is incredible

Thinking you are right vs eleem or whisp etc is so funny to me

[lime edge]

Who said anything about being right vs them

What do u even think im saying

[analog field]

Eleem is telling you something

[lime edge]

[coral ibex]

i mean the tc's arent inherently more likely to be right

[analog field]

and you are saying no it is not

[coral ibex]

but usually they have the evidence to back up the claims

[analog field]

they are more likely to be right

not saying it is 100%

but for sure they are more likely

cause they have spent many more hours than you doing that

[coral ibex]

yea but an appeal to authority isn't a good reason to believe how the mechanics of spell effects works

its a basic logical fallacy

[sacred oyster]

tbf, sometimes SME's get too inset on thinking an understanding is locked down on something, in that something could have changed but they didn't realize it, and someone prodding them to look into it more is needed.

[lime edge]

Im just saying there's a reason why Sims dont say 0 haste

[analog field]

We all know haste is good, no one said haste is not good

Although haste on AOE is worse than it is on ST and also in a lot of cases worse than mastery

You are saying that haste will change your energy regen tremendously which is kinda not true

[coral ibex]

this whole conversation precipitated from disagreement on whether haste makes a meaningful difference to energy regen

and the facts point to generally no

[high dust]

Mastery > haste on Aoe

[tight ginkgo]

What about appealing to vibes? is that a fallacy? eleem always has immaculate vibes and he has a raichu pfp so.

[coral ibex]

sims take haste because it makes you do more damage than not taking it

[high dust]

Crit >>>>

[coral ibex]

[lime edge]

Then why do most people have more haste than mastery

For m+

[cloud dune]

Because that's the gear they got

[coral ibex]

because that’s what gear they have

[lime edge]

Im talking about geared people

[coral ibex]

who is geared people

i’m 279 equipped

[lime edge]

Is there even anyone here with more mastery than haste

[sacred oyster]

yeah sims def favor mastery there since so much of your dmg is ticks.
im personally curious why my earlier ilvl level sims favored haste much larger over mastery, but at 260+ they balanced out and favor mastery slightly.

im thinking it likely mathed out to make haste add 1 more tick, which improved energy regen rates from scoundrel, but at 260 weve hit the point that no matter the haste, itll never be enough to add another tick.

[coral ibex]

the goal posts move every other message

it’s kind of annoying

[worn geyser]

in m+ high keys haste does have decent value cause bosses just take quite some time

[lime edge]

What goal post

[sturdy knot]

Just sim whats best and play what you think is best.

[coral ibex]

you say you are talking about “geared people”

who are you talking about

[lime edge]

People doing high keys?

[weary stump]

I know who @frosty cedar

[lime edge]

Wdym

[coral ibex]

and why do you think they have freedom to choose their gear rn

[lime edge]

I would say ur geared

[coral ibex]

as opposed to equipping what they have

[little tulip]

its too easy to see haste as a dud stat cause it makes the other secondaries better but lets be real

[lime edge]

Um what

[elder agate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fRFn29xkNjn1gzgJcAzhJb

[coral ibex]

i am still wearing a champ ring bc it’s the best sim rn

[lime edge]

M+ drops gear thats farmable

[elder agate]

the thing i see is like, high crit and mastery

and use hast flask

[coral ibex]

oh ok lemme just go get the drop even tho i’ve done 35 npx’s this season

[weary stump]

I'm still using a champion puzzle box

[storm forum]

So you say this, but I still haven't seen a neck drop in a run my rogue has been on all season

[cloud dune]

4 weeks in and you're not 100% optimized? Smh

[little tulip]

sorry i was hungry

[golden loom]

point and laugh at people that dont have this ! ! !!

[little tulip]

my roll now tho 🥪

[coral ibex]

i’ll end you

[lime edge]

I mean i got basically all my gear from m+

So unlucky I guess

[lime edge]

Thats because of enchants no

[little tulip]

do myth chim

😐

[elder agate]

berserkers rage on the 2 weapons too

[lime edge]

Only thing I need is better puzzle and a raid trinket

[golden loom]

I just pretend that I don't have crests to upgrade these from 2/6

[storm forum]

I would, but I'm perma benched

[sturdy knot]

and even puzzle is a crap shot given the cast time, more of a preference?

[high dust]

Always take that

[golden loom]

its very good

[high dust]

I sim higher without that combo

[weary stump]

Same twin

[golden loom]

this sims the same

[storm forum]

Puzzle incredible and not that annoying once you get used to it

[high dust]

Me with still chim/cringebox at champion track ....

[sturdy knot]

I have it on my Enh shaman and it slaps, just requires a bit more f ight knowldge of when its safe to use it

[worn geyser]

puzzle box is op, pop that mf with an aug and get pi'd on first pull of AA and u go to the moon

[fallow canopy]

Just drop better gear smh

[storm forum]

You mean kill ur KB target before you even hit max stacks?

That's my experience with Aug at least lmao

I gotta do higher keys

[cloud dune]

Puzzlebox feels horrible to press

[little tulip]

8% agi and crit/haste

yep

[celest ruin]

my guild didn't even let me roll on myth alnseer since i already have it on champion track

[sturdy knot]

crappy, but it makes sense, rather have 2 in the raid than upgrade just yours.

[worn geyser]

ya on a 16-17 if ur other dps is not a warlock the guys just live forever even with u blasting them

[cloud dune]

I saw somewhere that you mark -> box -> kb, then I saw somewhere else that you box -> mark -> kb. Any idea which is right?

[lime edge]

U box first

[worn geyser]

mark box kb edit: am outdated i guess things change day to day bro

[storm forum]

Currently recommend box dm kb

[worn geyser]

o word

[golden loom]

initially it was mark box kb but then sims were fixed and its box mark kb

[storm forum]

We were recommending Mark box kb a couple weeks ago but yeah, Sim changes

[lime edge]

Oh rlly

Hm

[golden loom]

also it probably does not matter

[fallow canopy]

Wowhead guide should be up to date, and has a neat image with an opener example

[cloud dune]

[storm forum]

It was always a very small difference, like probably within margin of error

[lime edge]

I have better idea

U box before popping key

[storm forum]

Some people like box env mark kb

[lime edge]

[storm forum]

As long as ur box lasts all of kb it's fine

[worn geyser]

box before dm definitely feels better rotation wise anyway

it feels horrible to DM, try to box and get a swirly under you

[cloud dune]

Big true

[weary stump]

Or the vorasius scree knocks you back mid box cast

[fallow canopy]

At least the suck doesn't cancel it

[royal lantern]

how late do you use it

[royal lantern]

i wish somebody would suck me rn

[weary stump]

Early enough that it's right as we're starting to get sucked, unless the tank went unga bunga on pull time

[tawny rapids]

I know I had a weakaura for it before, is there any way of tracking the amount of ruptures / garrotgs out on mobs. So sad when trying to track in huge Mplus pulls

[fallow canopy]

[storm forum]

How unlucky on crits do you gotta be for voracious to cancel ur box?

[fallow canopy]

Several +2 on mut on a row ig

[sacred oyster]

Even haste flask sims lower than sticking with crit flask. haste vs mastery gems are identical for me.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sYgT4NkJqpciatYneiaRWv

[royal lantern]

tbf

i remember my ansurek pulls where she parried 4 finishers in a row

[storm forum]

....

That's scary

[lime edge]

Crit is the best for sure, I dont disagree with that

[golden loom]

into KB parry?

[fallow canopy]

Use kyveza trinket on ansurek opener, see stand on platform, burn cloak

[royal lantern]

KB parry on that fight was so bad, even my RL could call it out at some points

[lime edge]

I have like 900 crit, crit flask, and crit wep enchants. The sim still wants more crit even in aoe

[golden loom]

and ovinax who would parry anywhere you hit him

[royal lantern]

"we are missing some dmg, your KB got parried right"

🙂

[fallow canopy]

That worm was a fucking menace

[high dust]

Chim HC trinket dropped. But my rolls were 10 and 4 💀 and I aint picking It on vault if it's hc

[storm forum]

I crafted a haste/crit neck and I should've crafted a crit/mast neck cause now I have more haste than crit unbuffed and my sims hate me

[fallow canopy]

He had fucking trump hands but somehow managed to have like 20% parry

[high dust]

My crafts are haste/mastery

[dusty plume]

need some help, pls

[high dust]

But i have way more crit

[royal lantern]

man, im just using stuff and im sitting at 1,1k AND Worgen Racial

[worn geyser]

surely a recraft is not that much

[royal lantern]

that just made me notice that we are in S1 of a expansion and im allready at 40% crit baseline

[golden loom]

unbuffed

[royal lantern]

crazy

[storm forum]

Haste for the haste gods

[worn geyser]

im rocking the goggles to fix my haste for sims

[sacred oyster]

wtf you are wearing to end up with more haste than crit?

err wrong reply

[high dust]

1k crit
500Ish haste/mastery unbuffed

[golden loom]

stats are all fake anyways

[coral ibex]

1200 buffed crit but i want more

[golden loom]

just hit buttons

[storm forum]

Do you need to be engi to wear the engi helm?

[coral ibex]

MORE

[high dust]

TRUST THE CLANKER, GET MORE CRIT

[golden loom]

how the fuck you have 1200

[worn geyser]

ye, but non engi can wear the wrists which have the same deal

[sacred oyster]

no, i had a guild mate have eng bracers crafted for him

oh wait is helm special?

[worn geyser]

helm is different

[sacred oyster]

ah

[storm forum]

I have good heavy crit bracers, but engi helm on crit is like 1.5% upgrade for me

[golden loom]

[cloud dune]

Is helm even worth it?

[fallow canopy]

[elder agate]

👋

[worn geyser]

i mean for me it was cause i had a champ helm b4 so fuck it we ball

a myth track helm would be better tho like the one from lura obv

[storm forum]

Dont tell my rl, but I'm not swapping engi for +1% damage

[golden loom]

I also cant get into 10s atm wtf is going on

[fallow canopy]

Not enough crit to get invited bucko

[golden loom]

3045 and 280 ilvl but declined to a +10 weekly relaxed

.............

[royal lantern]

imagien getting mythic raid loot

[cloud dune]

You're clearly not chill enough

[royal lantern]

we just drop the same 4 mail pieces over and over and over and over again

[sacred oyster]

and @lime edge I guess in terms of rating I do have more haste than mastery. i was looking at % which i forgot they scale different.

[wanton spear]

so typical rogue stuff basically

[golden loom]

I had to take a socket today aswell

[analog field]

I got 2 hero itmes first week from raid as trial and now i can't roll more than 45

[storm forum]

Imagine getting unbenched in mythic raids

[worn geyser]

1 mythic boss kill btw , they made gearing so easy this xpac

[weary stump]

Pov you're on ansurek and she parries your opener kb

[analog field]

I mean 10's having hero 3 is from the previous expansion

[cloud dune]

I told my RL that I'd sit out for mythic raid. He said no. And I'm outlaw
||what does that say about the rest of our dps 😭 ||

[frosty cedar]

Legitimately a jump off angle

[storm forum]

Is there ever a scenario where I should wear 2 myth daggers and embellish a 2nd armor piece?

[shy axle]

do you even bother with ct and splatter insteaf of full st on vorasius myth?

[weary stump]

The guess I'll die angle

[golden loom]

if it sims higher but hunt embelishment is pretty op

[sacred oyster]

honestly I think people people still think sin is complete trash and dont realize it can hold its own well now.
im usually #1 in every damn group now unless its someone of a meta class of equal ilvl.

[frosty cedar]

No, I think the weapon embellish is op

[storm forum]

Alright, I mightve stolen a 2nd dagger from our hunters last night for no reason but the tmog lol

[frosty cedar]

I top my guild DPS on the first 4 bosses voidspire

[weary stump]

My current group sat me for an Aug evoker who somehow is doing less for the raid than me, but the dream of him doing more is guiding my bench

[cloud dune]

Good

[lime edge]

Yea im pretty sure most people will want more haste than mastery

Only because of puzzle box

This is what I have

[worn geyser]

all this talk about stats, when is my evoker and my healer gonna double coach me with this

[dire flume]

both my alts got myth solarprism

now for my rogue vault to be pure hogwash

[sacred oyster]

o.o

[still nymph]

Does anyone know how much of a dps gain B0P, the engineering embelishment, is? It doesnt seem to be implemented in sims, but does good damage in ingame testing

[sacred oyster]

i dont understand why they make EU wait until today. its suppose to be separate servers so separating load from US players cant be the reason.

[worn geyser]

you can compare in top gear section of raid bots, but idk if its good or not

[blazing kayak]

theres times as sin in high keys where i dont get to kingsbane off cd, in the situation where kb is up but deathmark+puzzle isnt up for 30-45 seconds still, do i just send the kb or do i have to hold and always send kb with death mark

the 1 minute cd with 2 minute cds is throwin me off

not sure what to do when i miss the window

[still nymph]

base arcano, 2nd B0P, 3rd no embelishment

[marsh stag]

You need to be ready to send the 1 minute cd off cd unless the situation is truly a waste

[blazing kayak]

well sometimes theres intermission

oh just nothing rlly serious to kb

[marsh stag]

Maximizing the 1 min kingsbane is one of the trickier parts of assa

[blazing kayak]

theres a lot of times where kb will be up but deathmark isnt up for 30-40, am i supposed to just hold for 30 seconds

[hard river]

embellishments suck ass so if it does at least 0.9% dps then it's good

[blazing kayak]

is using kb after death mark a must? like i always wanna hold it for that

[still nymph]

thats negative to arcanoweave

[marsh stag]

Tubby just use kb as soon as it comes up.. even if it’s not a great use it’s better than skipping a use

[sacred oyster]

arcanoweave also has the group buff benefit too since so many others are also taking it

[hard river]

ye that's all it needs to be the same as arcano

[worn geyser]

when this happens in high keys to me i just go off whether i really need the cds for a more dangerous mob in the next pack or not

[lime edge]

What was the achievement to make alts use less crests when upgrading gear

[dire flume]

wrong trinket in both slots

[sacred oyster]

fully outgrow using crests, which if you have hero 1/6 for ex you need 2/6 since that 1->2 can also be done with 6/6 champion.

that 1/6 vs 6/6 thing got me before trying to understand why i didnt have the achievement yet not having anything left of previous tier

[radiant aspen]

do we play internal bleeding in m+ now

?

[lime edge]

So if im 6/6 hero i should be good?

For alts

[rugged basalt]

gulp

[dire flume]

ye

ct spreads it

[radiant aspen]

rest is same

?

[sacred oyster]

you're 6/6 on all slots lol? but if you are least 2/6 on hero on all, champion will be half price on alts.

[lime edge]

How does that work with crafted gear

[sacred oyster]

match the ilvl

[lime edge]

Or if u skip

[rugged basalt]

it works as it should

[lime edge]

Ok

[rugged basalt]

crafted stuff counts

[sacred oyster]

if you 5 star as you should, its equiv of 5/6

[lime edge]

Cause I have some mythic gear too obv

[hazy sundial]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[waxen oyster]

crafted gear is technically a loss this tier

[sacred oyster]

well if you arent myth raiding, its not a loss there 😛

[waxen oyster]

as its 80 gilded to make a 285 compared to upgrading a hero to 6/6 which means you only need 4 upgrades for a myth piece to 289

[lime edge]

I mean only until ur full mythic

[rugged basalt]

i did my 3rd this time around simply bc i would not be mythic raiding fast enough to spend all my crests

[lime edge]

You get a mythic piece every week tho

I wish I had excess crests

[rugged basalt]

20 crest is excess every week

[lime edge]

What are u taking from vault?

Thats what I mean

[sacred oyster]

i currently have 3 crafted mythics, 2 fully upgraded myth from vault, then will get some more crest this week to add with next weeks to upgrade w/e i get next week.

[hazy sundial]

What is the quickest way to get fast 40 champ crests?

[lime edge]

Maybe delve?

[sacred oyster]

fastest? some delves yeah

[rugged basalt]

if i pick a myth track gear from m+, which i do, id only need 80 crests to max it. weekly limit is 100

[lime edge]

You need 100 to max it no?

[sacred oyster]

yeah its 100

[rugged basalt]

if u 6/6 hero gear, 1->2 is free

[weary stump]

Convert from all those veterans crests you have from week 1

[lime edge]

Oh well yea

[sacred oyster]

im currently held back on hero slots so im not wasting hero on doing that to save myth lol

as im less bottlenecked by myth currently

[lime edge]

[rugged basalt]

im just a waist and trinket slot away from not needing hero crests

[lime edge]

Basically nothing other than trinkets for me cool

[rugged basalt]

what trinket are you using?

[lime edge]

Champion puzzle box

And 3/6 hero the hungering

[rugged basalt]

do they both sim better than crucible of erratic energies? i doubt it

[frosty cedar]

tf is the hungering lmao

[lime edge]

Whats the ilvl on crucible

[lime edge]

Timewalking trinket

[frosty cedar]

[sacred oyster]

only gear I have left to farm is neck from POS

[frosty cedar]

the one from raid is better for me

[sacred oyster]

well raid is less farmable lol

[frosty cedar]

just get it

[lime edge]

The hungerer my bad

[sacred oyster]

ima try to go for a full hc clear this week in pugs though

[rugged basalt]

crucible is a champ trinket but it sims better than every dungeon trinket except box

[lime edge]

So 263?

[rugged basalt]

So I was curious if it sims better than that trinket

[lime edge]

Ok

[rugged basalt]

ya

[lime edge]

I can chec

[sacred oyster]

i sadly disenchanted my crucible thinking it only worked in void region and was trash 🙁

[rugged basalt]

many such cases

hopefully i get it in my guild reclear otherwise i will howl looking at the next full moon

by it i mean gaze my mind stopped working sorry

[lime edge]

[dusty plume]

Error: Initialization error: Player 'Rubber': Unable to create action 'cold_blood,use_off_gcd=1,if=(buff.fatebound_coin_tails.stack>0&buff.fatebound_coin_heads.stack>0)|debuff.shiv.up&(cooldown.deathmark.remains>50&(!set_bonus.tww3_fatebound_4pc)|dot.kingsbane.ticking&(set_bonus.tww3_fatebound_4pc)|!talent.inevitabile_end&effective_combo_points>=variable.effective_spend_cp)'.
can i fix that sim error?

[small siren]

I'm looking to get into assa, but I heard there are a lot of bugs. Do they make it unpleasant to play?

[weary stump]

It's more unpleasant to have to apply to 50 keys even if you have like 3k io and mythic prog sometimes in order to just do a +10

[twilit lagoon]

I know I can see CP gained in WCL, but is there a way to find out how many CP were spent? I want to find places where I might've spent badly

[placid wave]

you mean per cast i assume, cause total spent is just total gained - cp at end of fight (gained since last finisher cast)

[small siren]

Yeah, but that's common to all rogues. Nothing new from TWW, or DF

[weary stump]

Hank don't acronym combo points

[royal lantern]

why are you not doing yor own key for weekly stuff

[weary stump]

I hate myself

[rugged basalt]

i only see 14s rn 😭

[weary stump]

I have no other good reason

[warm willow]

yall got a build for world quests and shit? you know, just to kill small mobs asap

[coral ibex]

are you trying to edit the apl?

[rugged basalt]

i just run m+ build in openworld

[coral ibex]

what are you doing to result in that error

cold blood isn't an ability you can activate

[twilit lagoon]

Yeah, per cast. I'm also looking for a friend playing feral, but I figured I'd use my own rogue parses first to try to get that information.

[weary stump]

The good old days when we activated cold blood and bone spike was an ability

[royal lantern]

i use m+ builds for world stuff since always tbh

[twilit lagoon]

Really I'm trying to track what my CP was prior to hitting a spender.

[dusty plume]

no, just copy paste

[dusty plume]

should i try to replace api with default one? where can i find that if so?

[coral ibex]

what do you mean

copy paste

???

[shy axle]

has the whispyr playtnator profile some inidicators for m+/bleeds uptime that are good to see?

[coral ibex]

you obtain your string from in-game via the simulationcraft addon /simc

then you paste it in the text box at the top of the raidbots page

you should not edit anything else without actual expertise or guidance

this is where you paste your simc string

[dusty plume]

ye, thats what i did. never had such problems with sub

[sacred oyster]

all you need to see is rupture/garrote which it should show, the filters are controlled by blizzard. well itll also show DM/KB too.

[coral ibex]

are you sure you didn't paste it into the custom apl section

here

[muted heart]

Is internal bleeding still being applied by crimson temptest's rupture spread?

[royal lantern]

right now, yes

[muted heart]

Interesting

[weary stump]

"we found assassination was too strong in boss damage so in this .5 patch we removed the following functionality from their cleave"

[muted heart]

Lol

[royal lantern]

what function

its a bug

its not supposed to do that

[jagged monolith]

is there a place with an overview of all class change for .5?

[weary stump]

A bug that lasts long enough is basically a function

[royal lantern]

[spice surge]

Remove your old custom APL

[balmy quiver]

is it still possible for plater to change color while rupture is up ?

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[muted heart]

Bcm is pretty awesome for bleed tracking

[sacred oyster]

ive not had issues with the default CDM for that, i wish that BCDM gave screenshots.

[lyric grail]

When does Blizzard finally fix the evenom buff ans impecable Tracking f this shid

[muted heart]

It's 5 envenoms for the chain

[rapid patio]

hello! i was planning crafting the neck, Masterwork Sin'dorei Amulet . what stats do you recommend? critical and mastery?

[lyric grail]

Crit haste

[rapid patio]

thanks!

[muted heart]

I play around my bleed timers and empowered garrotes. Not my envenom chains.

[lyric grail]

U Need to play around ur apex stacks for Energy

[muted heart]

Nah usually around the time I am refreshing a full rupture it's around 5 chains. I let it drop then. Or drop on purpose right before kb is up

[lyric grail]

But this shid blizzard cant fix the Tracking

[rugged basalt]

RAHHHHH I DID IT

[muted heart]

Gratz on 3k

[rugged basalt]

im happy i made it ty

[royal lantern]

.......huh?

[spare kayak]

congrats

[muted heart]

I do pretty well. I only do m+

[royal lantern]

what is there to play around with those

like.....huh?

[weary stump]

Girl math your implacable buff tbh, best way to do rotation rn

[royal lantern]

you apply rupure and garrote and spread them with CT, what can you play around the timers there

[muted heart]

Empowered garrote you need to let bleed all the way out and pandemic timers. After 5 envenoms you don't get anymore energy benefits.

[rugged basalt]

if i dont see it, i forget about implacable

cosmetic energy regen

[tidal shard]

Do we have a dungeon sim post? How is it recommended to set up atm?

[rugged basalt]

I replace impgarr around like 1s

I think we just run dungeonslice for that

I turn off raid buffs under show more options

[weary stump]

Schrodinger's energy regen

[rugged basalt]

was it tea, was it implacable? doesnt matter i used it up again

[muted heart]

By play around I meant keeping pandemic timers and letting empowered garrotes bleed out. By the time I need to refresh a full combo point rupture I usually let my envenom chain drop then.

[royal lantern]

isnt that just normal assa gameplay

[sacred oyster]

one of my other class discords just brought up an interesting point, that it may be better idea to not craft an item atm and save the crest, with bonus rolls coming next week you can potentially get 2 mythic items next week.

[muted heart]

Yeah but people are over thinking the implacable stacks

[rugged basalt]

I don't trust my luck

[sacred oyster]

not really, if its 80, let it drop, so your next envenoms are working on a new set of stacks. dropping 3 envenoms at 80 is a waste

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, absolutely

[rugged basalt]

Idk if that's necessarily true

[royal lantern]

is it REALLY WoW if people dont overthink everything to an absurd degree even if it doesnt matter in the end

[rugged basalt]

I drop it close to rupture renewals sometimes

[muted heart]

I'm saying usually around the time I need to refresh bleeds it is already 4 or 5 stacks

[sacred oyster]

yes that does happen often, but i think in a longer fight itll become desynced some

[muted heart]

True

Its% base energy regen. Just drop the chain when you need energy

[weary stump]

Me trying to convince my raid lead that bone spike will indeed kill the boss if someone stays logged in for the next 6 days

[warm vortex]

get me outta here

[royal lantern]

no

get in

[warm vortex]

Might do one more before raid

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-drag-come-here-comehere-gif-21771860

[muted heart]

So many 10s

[stark halo]

We back boys!

[rugged basalt]

holy

[stark halo]

Can I get off this sub trainwreck finally

[muted heart]

Yes

[warm vortex]

Seat shoulders

[royal lantern]

timing a +15 seat with 1 second left

[fallow canopy]

Just drop the item skill issue frfr

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

You never "had" to play sub.

bfr

[warm vortex]

True

[royal lantern]

mfs progress heroic chimaerus in a Pug in week 20 of a patch, do only weekly +10 keys and then talk about "having to play XYZ Spec"

[waxen oyster]

yep

[waxen oyster]

or last month CE

technically if you really want to push guild ranks in voidspire you drop rogue on the last 2 bosses entirely

[sacred oyster]

why do you want the seat shoulders when any shoulders can go to catalyst? surely not taking the legs catalyst lol?

[runic hinge]

surelly not just cata every piece you get for tmog????

[muted heart]

Drowning in charges anyways.

[warm vortex]

survival hunter

[waxen oyster]

I mean this is very real now with cata charge farming

[warm vortex]

Shoulders are diffrent

[waxen oyster]

although rogue set is ugly as balls

[thorn thorn]

Hm

[sacred oyster]

_> rogue discord

[warm vortex]

Ok and?
survival is just rogue with bombs

[runic hinge]

not as bad as druid

[waxen oyster]

well

[sacred oyster]

i didnt mind the pvp set appearence

[runic hinge]

tbh i think rogue has some good pieces

[waxen oyster]

druids you cant see past the cat form

anyway

[runic hinge]

TRUE

[sacred oyster]

though would love a black and red variant of the pvp set

[waxen oyster]

go back 9 years for that

[south zinc]

hey does anyone have a good way to track our apex that isnt total dookie?

[indigo pagoda]

what is the best way to simulate rogue in aoe ?

[sacred oyster]

use eyes and look at buff icons

[sacred oyster]

dungeon slice

[fallow canopy]

Afaik its only possible with arcui, creating a custom bar that mimics how Implac works

[indigo pagoda]

dungeon slice works fine then?

[sacred oyster]

though @warm vortex ill gladly take the POS spam run over SEAT lol. least POS isnt too horrible for pugs, but man SEAT gonna be much more variance

[storm forum]

use at ur own risk, I do this and it broke for me in the middle of voracious and only relogging fixed it

[muted heart]

Been farming for that damn belt non stop

[fallow canopy]

Do you still use the aura condition?

[storm forum]

yeah

[fallow canopy]

Yeah

[storm forum]

i like the numbers lining up

[south zinc]

outside of literally looking at the top right amongst the 34 other buff icons

[fallow canopy]

That's no bueno

[warm vortex]

It is yea

[sacred oyster]

when measuring performance for clearing m+ dungeons, which is the main place your gonna be mass aoe, dungeon slice balances boss dmg with aoe dmg to give you best performance review for clearing the dungeon.

[warm vortex]

And also

[south zinc]

yuuuuuuuck ok

[warm vortex]

PoS has a much smaller loot pool right

[storm forum]

it also really doesnt matter cause you just look at env and count when it breaks

[sacred oyster]

i use elvui and have a smaller copy of my buffs in a slightly less filled manner closer to center view.

[warm vortex]

7 for assa PoS
9 for SV seat

[indigo pagoda]

ty bro

[south zinc]

Ah yeah that makes more sense lol. Right now I've been using Ellesmere's UI which is really clean but maybe I should grab an addon for buffs specifically

[sacred oyster]

i played with the filters to try to get rid of some of the extra stuff, but sadly blizz has limited addons too much to really get it clean 🙁

[fallow canopy]

I have it set up with just the bar and notches, no numbers without the aura buff condition and it basically never breaks.

[sacred oyster]

my druid friend got the belt with a socket... so I won big when he gave it to me 🙂 he was so upset he was trying to get a belt forever, crafted one, then that drops (though its not ideal stats for druid anyways)

[storm forum]

oh just removing the numbers completely thats kinda clean

[runic hinge]

can you do my ui for me

[fallow canopy]

I can share the string for arcui if you want, although I also use wangbar and uuf

[onyx linden]

Wait is that a count to five tracker there

[thorn thorn]

@balmy condor Did you see that some guys guild took 700 pulls for CE last season

[onyx linden]

What is that black magic. Everyone always saying implacable isn't trackable

[south zinc]

oh shit how do

[gray raven]

what are you all doing overall in 15/16s right now?

[fallow canopy]

Someone shared an arcui step by step a few weeks ago, let me see if I can find it

[worn geyser]

damn i want that bar but i dont wanna use arcui rip

[worn geyser]

depends on the key tbh but pit im at 160-173k on 16s edit: in the log, cause details is all kinds of fucked and overshoots by alot in my experience

[fallow canopy]

"1) In ArcUI, go to Bars -> Custom Bars -> Create New Stack

2. Set Max Stacks to 80 and turn off all the other options under Stack Settings & Expiry.

3. Make a generator using the Spell Cast Option, tracking Envenom, that gives 15 stacks. This gives 15 stacks each time you cast Envenom.

4. Make a second generator using the Aura Gained option, tracking the Envenom buff that gives 5 stacks. This accounts for the fact that the first stack gives 5 more than the rest since you gain Envenom once at the start of the chain, but refreshing it doesn't give you a new instance of the buff, so this only triggers once on the first cast of the chain

5. Make 1 spender, using the Aura Lost option, tracking the Envenom buff, that removes 80 stacks. This resets the counter when you lose the Envenom buff

6. Adjust the appearance to your liking. Without changing any options, it looks like it does in the screen recording here. If you just want the icon and no bar, you can make the bar invisible and move the duration (not stack) text so it sits on top of the icon.

Since it's not doing anything with the Implacable buff itself, this doesn't get overwritten by the energy regen buff after Envenom drops off. idk if there's an easier way to do this, like I said, but this is what I did and it mostly works. It seems to occasionally bug out, but a /reload usually fixes it" someone shared this like 2 weeks ago

[gray raven]

thx - i'm way underperforming and need to figure it out

[fallow canopy]

however I had trouble same as Lanille when using the Aura gained for the envenom buff and +5 stacks so I just did the step 3 with 16 stacks instead of 15 (it still goes to 80 on 5 stacks just for consistency). So if you have the same issues just ignore step 4 and do that. For the bar and the notches to look clean however you need to tweak some setting on the appearance section but I'm not on my pc rn so I can't screenshot that atm

[sacred oyster]

how does details overshoot? what dmg would it be counting that didnt exists?

[worn geyser]

idk how it overshoots but the log is always 20k or more less without an aug even in the group so idk

[lime edge]

Doesn't details undershoot

Theres no poison bomb in details

Its only in logs

[worn geyser]

overshoots massively for me in keys compared to the wcl

[spice spire]

Even when you hover the number over the % of time doing damage?

[worn geyser]

tbh i didnt know that even gave u a dps number when u hover over it in the log

[spice spire]

Yep

[onyx linden]

cool thanks

[spice spire]

the number that wcl shows is literally total damage / total time in key. Accounts for all downtime etc of 0 as well

Dps while active should be closer to what you see in details

[worn geyser]

thats a whole mess, 3 different numbers(details, wcl, and wcl hover) and u gotta go to the log and hover over a spot that doesnt even intuitively seem like it will show more info when hovered

[spice spire]

But sometimes it’s over/under

[sacred oyster]

i guess comparing wcl it is showing lower than details in game, but whats to say wcl isnt the one thats wrong? isnt WCL going by whats logged in the logs folder, vs details which is using actual ingame events to react to? i suspect it could be some data isnt being logged to disk that did happen

[worn geyser]

ye for me the active dps is 15k higher than details, but the log dps is 15k lower than details https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XVFA3mB6ZaDpzYxG?fight=2&type=damage-done

[spice spire]

[minor gate]

ayyy

[spice spire]

The number dead center is likely the the most realistic variant of this for what it’s worth

Either way big dam GJ

[worn geyser]

ty goat, and ur right ill prolly just go off details then cause ye idk man

[coral ibex]

was the ret digging in his butt the whole key wtf was he doing

[jolly stirrup]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[worn geyser]

i legit have no idea but bro was doing 30% less than every other ret ive played with

[spice spire]

He was saving CDs for next key

Respect it

[lunar viper]

Is there anyone who can help me out with the paladins fight? Every other fight I parse in the 90s and feel like I know what to do but every time I fight paladins I’m parsing in the 60s. I guess I never know if I should be focusing ST builders or fan of knives. I’m just looking for a better strategy to approaching that fight

[spice spire]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[coral ibex]

paladins is just a shit fight

[spice spire]

Just follow fok guidelines there

[sacred oyster]

i think snaps maybe asking more how sometimes they arent all 3 grouped. ive wondered the same if ssome timing should just mut/ambush instead of fok

[spice spire]

It’s still the same answer

[coral ibex]

there should be no situations where you aren't in range of 2

[sacred oyster]

and its said daily "2 unless speced into blindside", well what if you are in that fight speced into blindside?

[coral ibex]

why are you specced into blindside on paladins

[fallow canopy]

Well press n

[coral ibex]

would be my question

[fallow canopy]

And change talents

[sacred oyster]

i guess lol, i didnt know if was some "hey its a boss still treat it as ST focus with some MT"

[lunar viper]

Is it normal than to be more energy starved on that fight due to the fok CT usage? I feel like I have more down time

[polar bloom]

i've been going back and forth and couldn't decide for m+ so i just wanted to ask around
whether to drop Secondary Poisoning and one point of Lethal Dose for a 2/2 Fatal Concoction. Is there much difference? Just trying to learn some builds

[flint marsh]

someone wanna make the decision for me, I have crafted dagger only

[coral ibex]

box

[frosty cedar]

giga box

sim and u will see why

[flint marsh]

😮

[rugged basalt]

[golden loom]

there are many daggers but only 1 box

[fallow canopy]

Trueing

[flint marsh]

its simming under dagger in 1t and 5t but I have champ offhand is why i think

[sacred oyster]

kricks is BIS

so id grab that

[worn geyser]

out of curiosity, what makes fok stronger on 2 target without blindside, is mut just that weak? ngl feels weird to not even run doomblade

[coral ibex]

its easy to get a myth dagger

[fallow canopy]

Box is box

[royal lantern]

that would be the dumbest thing ever

jfc

[flint marsh]

box with the landslide victory

[rugged basalt]

there are 3 daggers in m+ loot pool

1 box

[royal lantern]

grabbing a shity offhand dagger over the best avaible trinket that you literally CANT GET ON THAT LEVEL OUTSIDE OF VAULT

and the 2nd raid boss drops a dagger aswell

[sacred oyster]

well, kricks would become your main hand, and gain 4 ilvls, but i see people getting box in vault all the damn time.

[rugged basalt]

math

[coral ibex]

ive looted 2 myth daggers off vorasius in 3 weeks

[spice spire]

Mut not that strong and if you’re not proccing a potential free spender then the value diminishes a bit

[coral ibex]

its trivial to get a myth dagger

[sacred oyster]

if you are myth raiding sure i can support that thought, im not though so vault is only way to get a myth dagger for me

[rugged basalt]

its 3 daggers to 1 box in m+ vault

even then its box fs