assassination

[warm vortex]

luah at me

This is my 4 dungeon weekly

[rugged basalt]

i play on moon guard trust me im already past that

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/xalatath-warcraft-spaghetti-world-of-warcraft-gif-12070578727197966411

[worthy canyon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/will-smith-thats-hot-1

[rugged basalt]

i just realized both the myth tier pieces are pre catalysed.,?

[worthy canyon]

lans

hey

hey

[rugged basalt]

hi.

[worthy canyon]

/boop

[rugged basalt]

wtf .

/bonk

[viscid spear]

Tier can take up any of the 9 slots

[worthy canyon]

/pet

[rugged basalt]

oic

[rugged basalt]

/meow

[worthy canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-dog-pleading-dog-sitting-wagging-dog-sit-wag-dog-wagging-tail-gif-9627118626940063427

me irl btw

[rugged basalt]

https://giphy.com/gifs/yawning-fatcat-fatcatyawn-NLtmWNItWZBdkqFdWl

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dark-souls-3-dark-souls-2-hollow-tweaking-gif-11869503874808759693

[rugged basalt]

me irl

[primal parrot]

MAKE IT STOP

FUCK

[worthy canyon]

if youre eu and you find me ill give you a hug in game

the search begins..

[weak crescent]

Give me more

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shower-showering-showering-cat-cute-gif-11955391106985110144

[worthy canyon]

ill give u 1 copper

[viscid spear]

It's why Dungeon items at Myth-tier are usually what you pick since not only is the item pool larger than Raid because it's pulling from 8 dungeons, there's also a chance any of the five tier pieces can show up.

[rugged basalt]

i wish i was eu

[worthy canyon]

to find me?

[rugged basalt]

no to have better ping

[worthy canyon]

oh

sadge

[rugged basalt]

and also to find u

[worthy canyon]

crying rn

[vernal adder]

Draenor?

[worthy canyon]

nvm im boinging now

[worthy canyon]

tarren mill

#easy

[vernal adder]

Unluck

[rugged basalt]

i was used to seeing non tiered pieces i hadnt actually seen one in a while

ya ur #2 bc i play on 160-180ms and still do well idk

i need da better ping .

[primal parrot]

cant imagine playing on anything above 60 ping

[rugged basalt]

its not fun

i had to change the skill delay var

[worthy canyon]

i play on 30

[rugged basalt]

back home its about 20-40

[primal parrot]

delay like that would have me ripping my hair out

[rugged basalt]

i have a head full of hair to pull on

at least for now

[echo fox]

u get used to play with that ping tbh

[primal parrot]

shit thats not a good thing

[vernal adder]

Ow ping is like 25-30 for me and wow is 35-45

[rugged basalt]

I am #2800, #3400 and #4300 on the sim queue sorry for everyone thats behind me

[worthy canyon]

is it like your 3 daggers

[primal parrot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAUeFtVbwAAsTbB.gif

[rugged basalt]

I grew up playing league on the wrong server, like 200, and i quit league thankfully

[worthy canyon]

2 daggers at the side and one in the middle

[zealous moth]

🖕

[rugged basalt]

I played cs on 100 ping consistently and that somehow made me insanely better at the game on low ping bc i was just aggressively peeking everything (you have peekers advantage on high ping and cant afford to hold angles)

[worthy canyon]

thanks for censoring

[rugged basalt]

hey

[worthy canyon]

what

[rugged basalt]

no im simming m+ and st and cleave

[worthy canyon]

yeah as i just said

what did u think i was saying

[rugged basalt]

i didnt understand it so i just said no

[worthy canyon]

gulp

[zealous moth]

huh?

[rugged basalt]

im contemplating between 2 tier pieces my simming means piss and shit and a little bit of

NOOOOO

[primal parrot]

TWO ON USE?

[rugged basalt]

https://klipy.com/gifs/walter-white-walter-SN6

[zealous moth]

its the same 2 trinkets in different slots

[rugged basalt]

DO NOT DO THAT

[zealous moth]

what the fuck is raidbots smoking

[primal parrot]

TWO ON USE

[zealous moth]

IM GONNA DO IT

[primal parrot]

yeah hope you burn in hell you fucking monster

[vernal adder]

Have fun

[primal parrot]

TWO FUCKING ON USE

[zealous moth]

actually not doing it

also im confused

[rugged basalt]

WHYMPER HOW DO I LINE UP 2 MIN AND 90SEC TRINKET FOR DM

[zealous moth]

how is M 6 Tier Head a dps loss over H 6 Tier head

[warm vortex]

This entire season is so anti melee it fucking sucks

[worthy canyon]

its so Loss...

[rugged basalt]

says the hunter

[warm vortex]

I'm literally survival

[worthy canyon]

hey um can i add you teehee :3

[warm vortex]

All of my focus regen depends on auto attacks

[rugged basalt]

yes.

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats your problem

[worthy canyon]

really?

[warm vortex]

Hush

[royal lantern]

dont even have a excuse

[rugged basalt]

did u expect me to say no

idk

[worthy canyon]

yeah

[rugged basalt]

would u rather i said no

[worthy canyon]

i do not

[warm vortex]

Tyran

Idk what to say

[rugged basalt]

too late ur added now

[warm vortex]

butgrr

[rugged basalt]

burger?

burger

[worthy canyon]

yippie

[primal parrot]

quick off topic question any1 know how to skip credits on dark souls 2 sotfs

[vernal adder]

Alt f4

[rugged basalt]

the answer is usually skipping dark souls 2 im sorry

[primal parrot]

smh you two lack taste

dark souls 2 is the best in the trilogy

[zealous moth]

oh no

[vernal adder]

[zealous moth]

i was simming

[ruby birch]

btw someone mentioned this but im just making sure, is it possible to get proper implacable tracking with arcui

[zealous moth]

dungeon slice

[ruby birch]

or should i not waste my time with it

[zealous moth]

with the single target talents

[rugged basalt]

i think the ground shook somewhere when u said this

[zealous moth]

fuck my chud life

[rugged basalt]

i usually copy my simc and modify the paste in topgear since it has all ur talents

[worthy canyon]

any1 have big boy aoe talents

no chud weekly

[rugged basalt]

que.

[worthy canyon]

so

anyway

[zealous moth]

so

[worthy canyon]

LOL

[rugged basalt]

LOL

yay i get chest today. :3

[worthy canyon]

proof?

[coral ibex]

this is my m+ tree

its just the wowhead tree

[worthy canyon]

is it good enough even

[rugged basalt]

gulp

[worthy canyon]

or do we need like ultra mega big brain move

[primal parrot]

atrophic poison daniels videogame

[worthy canyon]

mastermind

[zealous moth]

not taking blindside for m+
lmaooooo

[coral ibex]

prob not im just a 3370 io chud

[rugged basalt]

when do we take sudden demise

[coral ibex]

why would i take blindside without aoe blind

[primal parrot]

when you play through dark souls 2 ng+7

[zealous moth]

ah, true

i see you are not running aoe blind

mb

still

[coral ibex]

nobody is

it doesn't exist

[zealous moth]

kingsbane
no sudden demise

smh

i know

im just memeing

im bored

[primal parrot]

yapmaster

[rugged basalt]

yapsalot

[primal parrot]

shut up

[willow tree]

isnt the sudden death blindside when keys are below 12-10 ish?

[rugged basalt]

[zealous moth]

no

[primal parrot]

[zealous moth]

you just dont even run sudden demise anymore

just go fb slap some coins

[primal parrot]

sudden demise is fake damage

[zealous moth]

that was a last season meme build to make up for the absolute abysmal single target we had

[rugged basalt]

shits weak in 10-12 tho so SD might actually work in those keys

[primal parrot]

the smart move is to queue up for keys in that range when people are trying to gear their shitty alts so you can pump

the even smarter move is to exclusively do this with pit of saron

[rugged basalt]

i just rawdog and apply to keys im not levelled on

get declined until i dont

top 3 dps

leave

[zealous moth]

you wanna know my trick?

[high dust]

Does It try to activate on the mobs that cant die or what

[zealous moth]

can i share my big secret to get invited to keys with you guys?

promise you wont tell anyone?

queue up as subtlety and then change to assa before starting the dungeon

[primal parrot]

if you're insinuating that i would ever run sudden demise in its current state then you've just made an enemy for life

[rugged basalt]

works every time

[onyx veldt]

so i simed this and its telling me to take eye of midnight...

[primal parrot]

what in the goddamn

[high dust]

im not that cruel

[onyx veldt]

but isnt the waist better?

[zealous moth]

yeah its a shitton of haste

[rugged basalt]

what do u have against this

[onyx veldt]

yeah but its champion

[high dust]

That or myth dagger if u dont have one yet

[zealous moth]

but it is a shitton of haste

[primal parrot]

nothing xoxo

[zealous moth]

oh wait champion not hero

uh

[high dust]

Uh

[sacred oyster]

just take a mythic, replace your bad current slot w/ some other content this week

[rugged basalt]

[onyx veldt]

i see

ty

[primal parrot]

myth dagger for sure

[high dust]

Eh ..

[coral ibex]

you have a myth dagger already

[onyx veldt]

its haste and versa tho

[coral ibex]

so?

[zealous moth]

so?

[high dust]

So?

[onyx veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/startamilchat-sanjay-chat-star-tamil-chat-star-chat-tamil-chat-gif-10851618692248678673

[primal parrot]

akchyully myth dagger is 4 ilvls above crafted myth dagger

[zealous moth]

you pick it for the dps and agility

[rugged basalt]

did u sim the dagger in there or not

[onyx veldt]

i did

[coral ibex]

you know what, its your character

[high dust]

+weapon dmg smh

[zealous moth]

you dont give a shot about dagger secondary stats

[coral ibex]

you can do what you want

[rugged basalt]

bc i forgot to sim my dagger as well i should probably recheck LOL

[sacred oyster]

sim the dagger at max lvl vs your crafted

[onyx veldt]

no im just asking im new lmao

[high dust]

What aikar said

[sacred oyster]

need to sim the future potential

[coral ibex]

we dont care about substats, we just equip the highest simming gear

[zealous moth]

^^

[onyx veldt]

okok ty

[coral ibex]

and offhand is a low importance slot

[high dust]

Myth dagger on main, crafted on offhand

[zealous moth]

good rule of thumb for assa is Ilvl over everything

specially on weapons

[onyx veldt]

oh

[primal parrot]

weapon damage is da goat

[onyx veldt]

good to know

[zealous moth]

but always sim it to make sure

[high dust]

But fuck versa if u cam

Can*

[zealous moth]

goated stat for m+

[primal parrot]

sim it yo

[fallow canopy]

[zealous moth]

WHY DOES IT KEEP SIMMING THEM TWICE

[primal parrot]

FUCKING DELETE THE CONTRACT

DOUBLE ON USE

FUCK

[sacred oyster]

one hero one myth then alternate variance?

[high dust]

FYCK THAT HURTS

[quiet oar]

Because it makes a difference which get used first

[zealous moth]

bro i swapped my void stalker contract from slot 14 to 13 and gained 58 dps

[primal parrot]

"gained"

uh huh now play that out over a few keys

[spice surge]

Most of the time it doesnt since the APL knows which one gives stats and which one doesnt

[zealous moth]

[quiet oar]

Really?

[errant swallow]

What do you guys think? they sim very close to each other.

[quiet oar]

Damn

[spice surge]

But if its like 2 stat on-uses with the same cooldown then the order can matter

[high dust]

tier

[primal parrot]

tier piece for sure

[errant swallow]

Thanks

[high dust]

Agility >>> some mastery

[obtuse ruin]

anyone here play Tempted Fate over Chosen's Revelry

[quiet oar]

It acts like it in the sim that way, but sims it still twice becasue its in a different trinket slot?

[spice surge]

Ye both slots = both sims

[high dust]

I really hope my vault tomorrow IS goated or imma cry

[spice surge]

But also raidbots doesnt know which APLs have that and which dont

[quiet oar]

Makes sense

[spice surge]

(although i think most do at this point, but not in the past)

[rugged basalt]

doh...

i almost fumbled

[primal parrot]

stupid lans

[rugged basalt]

i dont like how it looks

[high dust]

Always Lucky.

Daberu rucki

[rugged basalt]

i dont like how it feels

it has vers

[viscid spear]

Is it simming you using them in different order?

[high dust]

Same. I sim higher with a crit/vers ring than with crit/haste

[ornate jetty]

i got this trinket 3 weeks in a row in the vault... help

can i just have the other trinket from this boss please? T_T

[primal parrot]

wtf is it simming it in the offhand?

[high dust]

Thats a fist weapon I think

[rugged basalt]

if u sim them in a different order itll say "1 other variation". the trick is to hit the lock button on algethars box
the trick is also to put crafted weapon in both slots but 289 only in main hand...

[quiet oar]

#assassination message

[onyx veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/euuu-euuuuu-o-que-eu-fiz-gif-4789042890357857247

[primal parrot]

make sure the fully upgraded myth dagger is in the MH otherwise u wont get an accurate sim

[lime edge]

Are u sure thats not because the crit verse ring has more crit

[viscid spear]

[onyx veldt]

yeah i did on both hands

[sweet hemlock]

looking grim today

[lime edge]

You guys should use crit enchant on weps if u aren't already

[onyx veldt]

ill just take the dagger w.e

[zealous moth]

isnt the feather really good?

[lime edge]

Hell nah

[sweet hemlock]

i have a hero gaze and champ puzzle

fuck a feather

[zealous moth]

whuh

did the crest cap not increase this week?

[rugged basalt]

it did

[zealous moth]

not for me u.u

[spice surge]

Try relogging

[rugged basalt]

huh weird

[zealous moth]

oh that could be it

i did log like 2 min before reset

[rugged basalt]

oh ya that would do it

[zealous moth]

ok yeah that was it

scared me for a second

[rugged basalt]

i had to convert crests to uppies my dagger i felt pathetic

or good im not sure

[wraith knot]

Happened to me last week lmao

Initiate panic procedures, immediately question own sanity on rogue discord, be calmly told to relog

[zealous moth]

i stg if i clear m vorasius this week and dont get the dagger im gonna keep myself safe

[high dust]

Sshhh
..let me shit on versa in peace.
(It does, it's the one from raid)

[zealous moth]

https://tenor.com/view/buggriddy-lusgifs-bug-griddy-griddy-gif-1934725039210711653

no no, don't delete it now

you got your bugs

[errant hawk]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[storm forum]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[sleek topaz]

Sorry if a dumb question, but for my vault, do I want to focus on bis? Like I could get a myth dagger but it’s not bis. Or I could get myth legs. Currently I have a hero dagger and hero legs.

[misty holly]

Take the dagger, stats on it matter much less than the dps from ilevel

95% of your weapon value comes purely from ilevel, so dont worry about secondaries

[sleek topaz]

Thank you sir. I just realized I asked in ass instead of sub but I imagine answer is the same.

[fresh kelp]

dagger also has a very small budget of secondaries anyway so the secondaries on it double don't matter

[sleek topaz]

I see. So many interesting ways to think about it! I appreciate you both. First season I’m getting far into raiding and mythic and lots to learn.

[elder agate]

u guys think better to spend mythic crest on up this or craft belt biss

thats entirely gear

[turbid sandal]

On a big aoe pull in keys, do you spread bleeds first, then puzzlebox+CDs on primary target? Or Box+CDs then spread bleeds?

[royal lantern]

apply garrote+rupture, use cds and then spread during cds

cus like, you pump envenom into your main target anyway

all in the wowhead guide btw \o/

[signal oxide]

spread some bleeds as mobs are getting together

[royal lantern]

ye, can spread a bit while the tank is gathering stuff

[lime edge]

Is that a haste flask

[frosty cedar]

bro peeping the flask aw hell nah

[lime edge]

Also I assume the craft would be a bigger upgrade

[frosty cedar]

sim it bro

[lime edge]

Whats ur flask

[lime edge]

Better be

Pal

[zealous moth]

the thunderfury pajamas rogue

hell yeah

[dense prism]

hi , was going to start pve on my rogue and i'm split between sub and sin, so i was wondering if sin still suffer from the same problem (in pve content) as dot class , like they lose dps in short fight and need to ramp up or does midnight made him better ?

[zealous moth]

i mean that sounds like an always issue for every dot class

[storm forum]

We do suffer for that yes. It's annoying in lower dungeons.

[zealous moth]

tho spreading dots is more accessible than it used to be with the new CT

but that is a forever issue with dot classes

flat damage will always gap you in lower content

but on higher keys that´s a non issue unless your tank is baby and pulls 2 adds at a time

[warm vortex]

Idk why but the way you said "made him better" makes me giggle

john assassination

[zealous moth]

John Ass for friends

[elder agate]

no lol

[elder agate]

yes, best mog

[elder agate]

i did crest count. worth to craft at my case

[dense prism]

well i was at least expecting blizz making good choice regarding sin

[zealous moth]

pfff as if they'd ever care about rogue

[dense prism]

they only care about pala...

[spice spire]

You said mages wrong

[zealous moth]

^^

[dense prism]

fair point

[zealous moth]

ANOTHER UNHOLY REWORK NOW

[warm vortex]

Nono

it's the fact that you said "him"

lmao

as if assa rogue is just some dude

[dense prism]

english is my third langage ....

srry if it's bad

[warm vortex]

Nono it's ok, dw

[zealous moth]

yup, that is me

[dense prism]

u're a monster , u broke my confidence

[spice spire]

You know two more languages than me dog.
Your English is great don’t let that fraud tell you otherwise

[zealous moth]

true

btw noah

[warm vortex]

Bro called him a dog

also im so sorry

[dense prism]

i was joking

[zealous moth]

don't expect blizz to give a shit about melee spec

much less about rogue

historicaly abandoned by blizzard

[dense prism]

making people guilty is fun when the correct me

[vernal adder]

lets speak some finnish

[dense prism]

but no problem

[zealous moth]

w ragebait

[spice spire]

How about you finish my balls or whatever idk

[spice surge]

We love it when quake comes in with guns glazing

[vernal adder]

[drifting cloud]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HFQm6PDaYAEMLMo.mp4

[spice spire]

Love that Freudian slip xoxo

[vernal adder]

more like buns glazing

[spice surge]

This cannot be!

[zealous moth]

how about you 🇫🇮 inside me

[dense prism]

last time they cared about a melee look at what they did to unholy

changing a plate spec to a mid range one

with a melee execute

[spice spire]

[vernal adder]

all these rogue channels are fucking fried man

[zealous moth]

yes we are

[vernal adder]

and im there with ya

[gilded oasis]

hello mr ass, can you please explain this to me I am only 12 I'm not sure what it means

[zealous moth]

of course Zar

so, in my language Finland kinda sounds like our word for "live with", im basically inviting gaslighting zac to come live with me inside me, it is a loving way of letting someone inside your heart

<3

[gilded oasis]

oh wow thats so sweet

[high dust]

And make babies.

[vernal adder]

[real solar]

!guides

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[gilded oasis]

just git gud

[real solar]

1v1 me

#1146207476983812117

[zealous moth]

Mutilate > envenom

thats it

thats all you need

[gilded oasis]

meet u @ the monkey bars

[zealous moth]

dont count combo points

dont even bother speccing Implacable

dont apply poisons

just raw big dick vibes

[real solar]

dont type

[spice surge]

Just raw big bleeds

[zealous moth]

im sorry :(

[spice surge]

Demisemaxxer

[gilded oasis]

typical pvper, come in here and bully us

[real solar]

@gusty mirage help, im being bullied by @gilded oasis

[spice surge]

My demise did 17% in a 10 i did yesterday

[pastel pollen]

so pure number wise, is it worth going from sub to assa in raids now? since we want more ST like I need to recraft everything etc. just when I try and sim top gear with all the changes etc. my ST i stil nother higher then my sub atm is. 98.300? 🙂

[gilded oasis]

oh we get to see who Oxi loves more

[stuck lodge]

Is chest the best item to grab at mythic track for stats? Or legs, etc

[spice surge]

Chest, legs and helmet all have the same stat budget

[sacred oyster]

sim it

[gilded oasis]

what are you progging on rn?

[pastel pollen]

we are going for alleria

[sacred oyster]

but yeah chest/legs prob same

[stuck lodge]

I just mean in a vacuum

[zealous moth]

peak bleed talents

but you guys are probably not ready to have this talk

[spice surge]

Bro is missing 20% bleed damage

[worthy canyon]

subterfuge

[prime anchor]

NOOB question whats the range on caustic spatter? and is it from the mob im hitting or me

[spice surge]

From apex

Smh my head

[spice surge]

Around the mob

[zealous moth]

true true

let me fix that rq

[spice surge]

But it kinda depends on how big the hitbox of the mob is how long the effective range is

[prime anchor]

if im fighting salabar and the orbs are 10 meters away will caustic hit them?

again noob question sorry

[warm vortex]

Swap out the talents a bit an you'll get the legendary crab build

[analog field]

practically apart from vorasius there are no other very big mobs where the aoe of spatter is not calculated from their hitbox this season

[zealous moth]

there we go

optimized for maximum bleed, re added dm

[brave gyro]

No KB is a choice for sure

[zealous moth]

kb is not bleed damage

this is the no poison build

just bleed

[brave gyro]

i see, too advanced for me, mb

[warm vortex]

Nono

there's no crab

[zealous moth]

no worries young one

[warm vortex]

Wasn't crab like

Wait no that is crab i think

[winged quail]

no internal bleeding? not a real bleed build

[warm vortex]

Bro is actually canny

[zealous moth]

peak

[sacred oyster]

is there like more ads you need to help with on saladbar in mythic difficulty? im confused wtf is caustic even in the saladbar build for. when ive done it, its pure ST on salad and orbs, with the orbs rarely even in an aoe distance, and ive had more issues with orbs dieing too fast even on heroic anyways making me question if i should even be helping lol.

[analog field]

in mythic these orbs are a bit more important to die fast

but still I don't think you need caustic but you can take it I guess

[sacred oyster]

but are there more of them to even benefit AOE?

[analog field]

even in heroic I benefit from spatter usually

cause the tank takes the boss close to the orb so we can cleave them

[zealous moth]

archon is showing

[analog field]

but I think the best is to spec to sub

and kill adds

[zealous moth]

out of 289 parses for M Saladbar, 100% take caustic

id assume its for the shitter adds?

[warm vortex]

Now do trhe opposite

Literally all poison

[zealous moth]

and they are grouping them?

[analog field]

take spatter and if you see you don't need unlearn it

depends on your group also

also people just copying other's talents

[sacred oyster]

i thought you didnt want the orb to touch the boss. how are you tanking boss next to orbs

getting close then kiting?

[zealous moth]

kiting

slows

cc

displacementes

theres probably a lot of ways to keep the orb from hitting boss

i mean i assume you can just nuke one and then kite the other around

[weary stump]

You actually forgot one thing in your no poison build

Use bubbling wax

[zealous moth]

TRUE

im ngl

i hit garrote > ambush > rupture and ran out of energy lol

[weary stump]

Lmao

[analog field]

yeah not taking tea is insane

probably don't take cold blood

[zealous moth]

for when im thirsty

[weary stump]

He just drinks the actual thistle tea as his potion

Why take skill when item exists

[spring moat]

Four mythic track items in the vault. And the heroic gaze still sims higher than all of it.

[sacred oyster]

yeah i was worried id end up getting a heroic too as it sims higher than my current myth trinket. ill prob just ignore it if i get it to not allow temptation into wasting myth

[stone yacht]

incredibly basic question but when you're wacking on a training dummy and it's health goes to 0, does that start proccing your execute (thus muddying the comparison between your dps with other specs?)

[coral ibex]

yes

[stone yacht]

awesome

any workarounds?

[coral ibex]

no

[spice surge]

Not really no

[stone yacht]

double awesome

[analog field]

deduct like 30% dmg

[stone yacht]

[analog field]

you don't care about the actual number

compare the percentages of each spell and it should be sameish

[stone yacht]

no, i am comparing my sublety ST damage to my assassination

[analog field]

yeah you can't do that reliably

you need to do that 1000 times 😛

[frosty cedar]

use a turnip or some other toy

[stone yacht]

i don't have one, can i buy on AH or other easy way to get?

[split mantle]

Got Myth track puzzle box in Vault.

Sim shows 2k DPS gain and all guides say it’s S tier.

Everyone I know that plays with it says it feels like ass to sit there for 2 seconds.

[stone yacht]

it's not that bad when you get used to it

[split mantle]

Guess I’m gonna have to feel like ass cuz that’s a huge bump.

[coral ibex]

have they ever played a spec where you have to cast something before doing damage

you know

like a caster

[sacred oyster]

both those can be true

yes its annoying, but it is worth it

[coral ibex]

"man i hate the part where im casting but i love the part where i do damage"

[split mantle]

I know I’m just trying to convince myself not to take it but I don’t think I can justify it.

[stone yacht]

take it

the damage amp is wonderful

[slim pebble]

Melee dps only over here

[split mantle]

Do you guys find it particularly annoying in M+?

[sacred oyster]

nope

[split mantle]

Kk, good to hear.

[slate nest]

only thing that comes close to umbral plume imo. Feel like that is sometimes better when you cannot reliably pop Box on the DM CD

and high crit just feels nice

[split mantle]

I mean the timing I’m sure works out pretty well, start casting when DM is a couples seconds away from coming off CD, then it aligns.

[frosty cedar]

it feels great, listen not to the haters

[slate nest]

sometimes you just cant pop it when there is certain mechanics

[split mantle]

Thanks for the hype up boys gals and all inbetween.

[split mantle]

Healers adjust.

Jk jk 🤣

[slate nest]

cant adjust a Oneshot unfortunately D:

[runic hinge]

macro cloak to puzzyb

[analog field]

It is very rare you can't

Also you are not losing that much if you cast it 3-4 sec before DM rather than 2

[split mantle]

I’m sure, especially if you know the fight.

[split mantle]

Good to know.

Now that I think about it the complaining was coming from UHDKs, and they don’t have sprint or shadow step so maybe that was part of their problem 🤣

[analog field]

they have death's advance and they can't die in general

so no

[sturdy knot]

Looking at the Wowhead BIS, why would we want the dagger off of Vorasius over the one off of Belo'ren? The dagger off of Vorasius has crit vers while the Belo'ren has Crit mastery.

[analog field]

sim

[sturdy knot]

Just looking at a base level (both are upgrades for me) but just not understanding. thats all.

[coral ibex]

you just want a myth dagger

stats dont matter

[keen mantle]

Is there any weird tech with Beloren egg push?

Like im checking the assa guy that killed it , all abilities do double the dmg

and i cant seem to figure out

the shit

[coral ibex]

if the vorasius dagger drops you're not gonna decline it bc it has the "wrong" substats

[high dust]

Chim hates me.

[sturdy knot]

obviously not, but if you have both, why is that one better than the other?

[runic hinge]

probably just the one whisp picked

[coral ibex]

the bis list is one of many "bis" lists that sim within margin of error of each other

[runic hinge]

is it alphabetically first?

[coral ibex]

you should just sim your character to figure out what is best for you

[runic hinge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[sturdy knot]

Oh I have and regularly do, was just looking at the bis list and the sims and that caught my eye.

[analog field]

bis list does not exist

it is an illusion

based on your stats at the moment one or the other could be better

[sturdy knot]

what I figured. Just was going off of what was on WoWhead

[analog field]

and we have no way of knowing that. Bis list as an entity exists as a whole. So if you have all the rest you can take that dagger and it will be better (maybe) but if you have a whole bunch of other items the list does nothing

[wise fiber]

Can anyone tell me is this a good overall dps for 271 ilvl please ? If not can anyone possibly tell me what i need to change to improve the dps thanks

[analog field]

How can anyone know this answer?

Your trinkets seem suboptimal

probably the renown is better than one of those

[brave gyro]

We dont know what you sim, what talents buffs included etc.

[analog field]

but apart from that no one can say anything

[weary stump]

I can say something actually, 69 funny number to sim to

[brave gyro]

We can tell he iz rog

[analog field]

and undead I guess

[split mantle]

I also can’t tell if you’re in an M+ or a raid /ST build.

[wise fiber]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/silvermoon/Izrog will this help ?

And yes M+ build

[sturdy knot]

I apprecate the awnsers to my otherwise mostly stupid questions. still learning

[weary stump]

Love you say it back

[wise fiber]

it back

[worthy canyon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1493625443599908894/he_played_rogue.gif

[wise fiber]

anyone please?

[high dust]

im the best? ofc not
im consistent? i guess

(HC cause I usually dont raid but wanted trinkets.)

[pure moth]

This doesn't really give any information. Share a log so people can see damage breakdown, build, etc

[analog field]

We can't help you no one knows what number we sim on 271 ilvl

But still no one knows how much someone sim on X ilvl

[spice spire]

It back

[analog field]

run a sim with droptimiser or top gear for some specific items no need to do anything else

[pure moth]

Youre also in quick sim. You should be using dungeon slice for m+

[severe meadow]

Does anyone know when the sim uses a second on use trinket? Right after the cd of the first?

[analog field]

run a quick sim and check

[severe meadow]

I’m not home 3:

I will after I get home tho

I assume it’s right after but I’ve never actually checked

[analog field]

yeah seems reasonable

[acoustic birch]

Is there a dedicated space to log review(s)?

[severe meadow]

Nah, post in here and someone might look at it

[worthy canyon]

which one is it

[severe meadow]

PB and the flag one, whatever it’s called

[worthy canyon]

GUIDON

capslock

[severe meadow]

Ye

[worthy canyon]

i mean id say just like sub rogue

before asbilities

and box is kind of like a pre pot

[severe meadow]

Well I know PB would be normal

Right before DM

but after all that

[stuck lodge]

Just now watching whyspers most recent video. Are we purposely hitting 7 point ruptures into CT now?

[severe meadow]

But I also don’t know how sub does the sim xd

[worthy canyon]

for sub you use guidon before shadow dance because of a talent

[analog field]

before sb you mean

[worthy canyon]

i just said

before

[analog field]

yeah I mean the important part is before SB

[severe meadow]

Blades

[worthy canyon]

well most people have a macro for it

so i just said it as in like both

[severe meadow]

I see some assa running double on use

Which is why I was curious

I could just look at the logs and see how they’re handling that

[worthy canyon]

depends on what content

[severe meadow]

Mythic raid

[worthy canyon]

then yeah

[severe meadow]

The only content I really care about

[worthy canyon]

bosses last long enough to use 2

[severe meadow]

Right but assa outside of cds is kinda whatever with 2 on use

I just need to see how they’re using it

[worthy canyon]

with second kb can be also used

imo

[severe meadow]

Ye, I imagine it’s a rip on 2nd kb

[worthy canyon]

im also an idiot so dont trust me a lot

id use trinket before kb comes off cd

that way they line up with dm

[severe meadow]

It’s not very common at all for 2 on use but I was looking into it

[vapid gorge]

Im sure this is probably the 10,000th time someone has asked this question but is Sudden Demise just not good this season?

[severe meadow]

It’s fine in weekly keys

[worthy canyon]

if youre a chud and play weeklies is ine

[severe meadow]

Loses value the higher you go

[worthy canyon]

mobs spend more time on high hp that low hp

[vapid gorge]

gotcha. thanks

[worthy canyon]

no wories

[wise fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/J2pDM1dfwa4BrLkK?fight=21&type=damage-done am i doing this right ? i dunno why its showing me as Izaryn but i guess thats me

[waxen oyster]

maybe if you play 12s with an aug

fake spec gets carried

[worthy canyon]

mercy pocket spec

[severe meadow]

From a very quick glance from mobile, no

I can take a better look when I get home

Unless someone else feels like sharing some tips

[waxen oyster]

no enchants

no 4p

yike

[worthy canyon]

i feel like envenom should be doing more

[sick owl]

Hello!
I am sure this has been asked, but does anybody know if Murder Row Fish Hook bleed benefits from mastery?

[severe meadow]

No

[spice surge]

Mastery never benefits anything that isnt rogue specific

[sick owl]

TY

[severe meadow]

Eleem explained better

[sick owl]

Yea I have had this thought before in previous expansions but I thought I would check

Things be changin all the time

[severe meadow]

Any of that scaling has to come from your bleeds

[true tusk]

Totally no, its all wrong in this log (about you like rogue)

But if you need help, we are here

[worthy canyon]

en resumen: skill issue

[true tusk]

pero no le digas eso xd

[worthy canyon]

just trolling a littlke

dont worry

we all suck

yes WE

in like me and you

[true tusk]

ye

hahahah

[wise fiber]

what am i doing wrong please

[worthy canyon]

i feel youre not pressing envenom enough

should be higher than rupture atleast or around the same

[severe meadow]

I also saw like, no CTs

[true tusk]

Let me eat something meanwhile i check all and after this i told you, ok?

[severe meadow]

But I mean it’s a 9 so like

Things kinda explode

[true tusk]

Yup 70 ct its poor

[worthy canyon]

guys how do i see my logs again on wowlogs

can only see raid and i forgor how to see dung

[wise fiber]

so its like fan and envenom ?

[worthy canyon]

mhm

exactly

after u do everything

fan and envenom

[severe meadow]

Its finishers at 5cp+

[pure moth]

here are some things right away that are lowering your damage.

1. no 4 set, go cata your legs to make 4 set asap. you crafted gloves, cuz it was probably a low slot and thats fine, but it limits you from getting tier. So you should have charges to cata legs to get 4 set now.
2. you should have crafted weapon/wrist or like weapon/belt with your 2 embellishments. so youre missing out some passive damage there. Suggestion: Recraft weapon with embellishment. I think you can recraft the gloves as well to have embellishment for your 2nd.

[severe meadow]

So don’t just envenom after a fan with 2cp xd

[worthy canyon]

yeah

[severe meadow]

Also CT bleed spreading is really important

[slim pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/twin-peaks-david-lynch-hello-friend-good-to-see-you-again-gif-27167865

[worthy canyon]

yeah but what if they cant get 4pc

what do they do

[severe meadow]

Cope

[worthy canyon]

i guess

[severe meadow]

Run lfr

Run normal after some more gear

[wild pebble]

Farm stuff still they get it I guess?

[severe meadow]

Idk, same thing other people do

[slim pebble]

Isn’t 4 set like a for sure thing now

[worthy canyon]

i got no tier pieces until this week

where i got the archievement manaflux

every tier piece i had was from waiting

[severe meadow]

That’s so unfortunate

[pure moth]

this is your opening pull. You didn't open correctly.

should look something like this

[worthy canyon]

i was in call with lans and lfr gaze dropped and i rolled a 6

[pure moth]

youre not getting your bleeds up and spreading them

[severe meadow]

Mythic gaze owner

[worthy canyon]

i guess so

[pure moth]

HI!!!! How are you?

[severe meadow]

I was the first in the guild to get it, from vault no less

[worthy canyon]

how can i log my opener to know if its right or not...

[severe meadow]

I don’t think we’ve seen Chim drop it yet on mythic

Only heroic

[worthy canyon]

!

[severe meadow]

You log it

Or someone else does

[worthy canyon]

is it only dungs or raid

cant u just do it raw

[pure moth]

you can log both

[severe meadow]

Both yeah

[worthy canyon]

yeah i know that

wasd just wondering if you could just log it raw on dummies

[pure moth]

You can, yes

[worthy canyon]

how!!

ENLIGHTEN ME

[pure moth]

Do you have logs enabled to run?

[worthy canyon]

yeah

archon app is on

mrt also on

[pure moth]

Ok so go into where you have the logs saving to and upload it to warcraftlogs.com

[worthy canyon]

thats it?

[pure moth]

yes.

[worthy canyon]

do they auto start on dummy?

mrt has live logging

so\ was wondering

[pure moth]

if you have live logging, you prob have logs already up

whats your toon name?

[worthy canyon]

they arent showing up for some reason

but theyre there

[split veldt]

aug is stupid, please delete

[worthy canyon]

real

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-not-ridiculous-to-say-that's-not-ridiculous-chilltownhoops-playerschoice-unc-gif-17749542178366202764

[pure moth]

Whats your game name? ill see if i can find them

[worthy canyon]

cloe with the dash inside the o

now, ignore my skyreach log i was bad geared and was just to get the rating

[severe meadow]

Ø?

[worthy canyon]

yeah

[pure moth]

yeah man theres alot of characters lol

[worthy canyon]

tarren mill

eu

[analog field]

send a url 😛

[worthy canyon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/cløe

ignore everything

[primal parrot]

SUBTLETY?

[severe meadow]

I’m not ignoring everything

[worthy canyon]

never ask cloe why she has 55 dmg on first boss

[severe meadow]

Okay

[worthy canyon]

i started as sub but then realized the spec sucks and swapped

[severe meadow]

I need context on the 0 parse

[worthy canyon]

you dont

[pure moth]

top right btw,,, you can change the drop down from raid to dungeons..

[worthy canyon]

i noticed

still not there

LOL

[primal parrot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAxQdOHbEAAZCnn.gif

[worthy canyon]

kill evil twinkj

[severe meadow]

Don’t kill Whispyr wtf

[worthy canyon]

LOL

[primal parrot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAUeFtVbwAAsTbB.gif

[worthy canyon]

too late..

[pure moth]

So, your live logging isn't working

[worthy canyon]

yeah

[pure moth]

so you may want to look into that.

[worthy canyon]

guessed so

[analog field]

but upload manually

[pure moth]

the only log here is your skyreach. which means someone else logged it

[analog field]

it will take a minute

hit dummies and go upload

[pure moth]

^

[worthy canyon]

how do i know what theyre named

do they have specific names or sum

[analog field]

date

[pure moth]

you pick the name

and yeah the date

[worthy canyon]

okay ill check by date then

[analog field]

the default is date/time

[worthy canyon]

okay

[primal parrot]

what we crafting this week

might craft a belt

[severe meadow]

I’ve done belt / dagger / bracers

But I have 2 mythic daggers so I’ll probably swap some stuff around

[frosty cedar]

I did dagger / cloak / shoulders

[severe meadow]

Shoulders is interesting

Is that the off piece?

[primal parrot]

my only choice from last weeks vault was a myth cloak

[worthy canyon]

what folder are they saved on, logs archive or browser

[weary stump]

Why do we call it logging when it doesn't get us wood for housing items

[severe meadow]

[runic hinge]

[pure moth]

Good thing your house shouldnt be made out of wood.

[slim pebble]

I don’t even own a house in game or irl

[pure moth]

Same

[weary stump]

[worthy canyon]

log keeps saying i have no fights yet lol

this si confusing

[analog field]

maybe there is a command

to start logging

ask chat gpt it might know

[worthy canyon]

BLUDDY

im not

asking nothing

i guess i can live record it

or somethying

[true tusk]

Im back mate

You’re overusing Fan of Knives way too much, you’ve got almost 300 casts, while CT is only around 70. Also you’re not running Internal Bleeding, which is really strong since it procs off every Rupture.
You’re also not casting enough Envenoms, and you’re definitely not chaining them properly

[worthy canyon]

jota

can u help me here

okay nvm i think im doing it

[true tusk]

where?

[worthy canyon]

how do i see the timeline

once its in logs

i think i just saw iut

[true tusk]

Open the log → go to Damage Done → top right click Timeline.
If you want more detail, click your name → Casts → Timeline, that shows your exact rotation and CD usage

[worthy canyon]

okay found it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qZLWfTwNFgaAvtpn?fight=2&type=casts&source=8&view=timeline

here u go\

lmk...

aoe opener thing

[true tusk]

Why envenom before dm?

[worthy canyon]

envenom buff

just before dragon tempered blades

[lime edge]

And to waste let combo points

[worthy canyon]

on the tree

[lime edge]

Less*

Yea its 5% dmg buff

[worthy canyon]

so am i doing it right then?

[analog field]

vanish is a bit wasted there

otherwise seems ok

[worthy canyon]

yeah its to extend improved garrote

and use ct to make it last longer

[analog field]

yeah but when DM is off cd you will wait for vanish for like 3 sec

[worthy canyon]

and more dps././

yeah i know

[analog field]

either cast it before DM

or keep it for 2nd dm

[true tusk]

After rupture if you want take cp and use envenom (it's good option), use CT after rupture, not fan so u are applying more fast your dots

[analog field]

otherwise keep for another pull

[true tusk]

In my opinion

[worthy canyon]

yeah if i vanish its always lined with dm\

[analog field]

the normal thing is gar fok rup gar ct env

[analog field]

but it is not youa re losing 3 sec

[true tusk]

Yeah

[worthy canyon]

the way youre explaining it its odd

[signal karma]

Just caught up on the pins and whispyrs video, is the crimson tempest spread of internal bleeding a bug or just something that happens now, not sure what we are expecting to be changed/fixed

[true tusk]

Garrote > Fan of Knives > Rupture > Garrote > Crimson Tempest > Envenom

[worthy canyon]

yeah i know that i just dont know why do it that way

or the 3s dm thing

[analog field]

you need to vanish before dm

so when 2minutes pass

[true tusk]

Because you want extend Garrote (6sec after stealth its buffed again), and later it's useles Fan of Knives when you can use Crimson and apply dots

[analog field]

you don't lose cast time

[trim cairn]

Regarding the pins, what is a whitelist in this context?

CT is on basically every whitelist, meaning for most people it's doing roughly 95-115% more damage than intended depending on your mastery

[worthy canyon]

okay so its vanish garrote dm kb

right?

[analog field]

yeah but in the start of the pull you usually don't waste vanish

because you may need it for a chainpull etc

[worthy canyon]

okay i see

[analog field]

you gain like 10 sec of imp gar

it is not worth it

[lime edge]

I don't think lining up empowered garrote with deathmark actually makes a difference?

[analog field]

if you don't lose a cast it is optimal to sync with DM

[lime edge]

How tho

[analog field]

but especially when pugging having vanish available can help

[lime edge]

Stealth garrote is what, 50% more dmg?

[coral ibex]

why wouldn't it

[lime edge]

Because 50% is 50%

[analog field]

yeah so with dm it is like 100

DM doubles them

[coral ibex]

do you know what deathmark does

[lime edge]

Yea

Its 100%

[ruby birch]

wouldnt it be 300%

base -> 10
empowered - > 15
dm base - > 20
dm empowered -> 30?

so a 200% increase

[lime edge]

Im just saying dm is 100% more

[ruby birch]

yeah

[lime edge]

Its 100% more always

Whether u have stealth garrote or not

[worthy canyon]

oh yeah that is better

[analog field]

it is 100 more

but

if you have imp

it is 100% of the imp gar

[lime edge]

Doesn't the math say to use vanish on cd

[analog field]

no

it says use with DM

[true tusk]

lol? Of course makes a difference, empowered garrote + DM buff does your Garrote damage insane

[lime edge]

Yea but u end up wasting ur first vanish to do that

[analog field]

but in the start you have imp gar

you gain like 10 sec

max 10 sec of imp gar

without DM

[lime edge]

Well if u want to line it up u have to vanish right after dm no

Or right before

[analog field]

you have it though

you have already 30 sec of imp gar

and you make it 40

also on 2nd DM boss is probably in execute

[lime edge]

Yea so ur wasting ur first stealth

[analog field]

so you gain even more

[lime edge]

Is what i mean

[coral ibex]

it isn't wasting if you would gain a use vs holding for 2m

[analog field]

Also you can desync vanish for adds or something like this

even if you gain a use it is not necessarily more

it is kinda even

[true tusk]

+1

[fallow basalt]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[analog field]

2 vanishes not with DM is a bit more than one with DM but also if DM is in execute which usually is unless you are doing 20 keys, then it is more

[lime edge]

You gain a use because u waste a use at the start?

[coral ibex]

look at this graph

and you will understand

[worthy canyon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M4kGhPgTYLmN7C3r?fight=last&type=casts&source=1&view=timeline is this better then?

[coral ibex]

it is very simple

[lime edge]

No i understand already

But to do that u gotta waste a use early

[coral ibex]

then the answer is obviously yes

you gain a use by using it early

[analog field]

I would say using Vanish after DM is losing dmg

You want Vanish before DM

[coral ibex]

and since we know imp gar is a % damage increase

having more time of it active is more damage

[lime edge]

The sim bot doesnt even use it early and just saves for 2mins weird

[coral ibex]

so 4 imp gar procs is more damage than 3

[analog field]

it is not

is what I am trying to say

[coral ibex]

this is literally more damage

[spare bobcat]

Heya, been asked to learn Assa for raid so sorry for the dumb question.
I wanted to check if I need Ambush on my bar? I can't see anyone using it and it looks like Garrotte from Stealth every time?

[coral ibex]

less imp gar < more imp gar

[worthy canyon]

never use ambush unless using blindside on st

and then not in bars

because mutilate changes to ambush when proc

[spare bobcat]

Perfect thanks

[worthy canyon]

so guys, is this opener better then?

[true tusk]

Perfect, in my opinion perfect

Clean

[worthy canyon]

okay then!

thanks for the hel;p

i did notice more dps

and sometimes more caustic

thanks for that

it clicked now in my mind

[true tusk]

How much its the difference?

[worthy canyon]

not more numbers

but numbers quicker

definitely helpeed

[pure moth]

Glad you got the log going

[worthy canyon]

took a bit

[pure moth]

thats fine.

[true tusk]

That’s a good feeling then

[worthy canyon]

also if i use ct and dont have max combo do i just fok after they have dots?

like 1 combo missing

or something

[pure moth]

if everythng has bleeds up then you switch to fok

[worthy canyon]

okay that makes sense

[placid wave]

hi im stupid, but why is CT over FoK always not better after watching Whispyr's latest video there's some screenshots that talk about it being stronger but its not recommended still

[true tusk]

Because you like assa rogue need to do numbers quicker or characters with flat damage just smash your dps

So if you feel like numbers are quicker, better

[worthy canyon]

yeah i noticed that assass does need fast fingers

cant miss a single bit of dot dmg

and on st is there any change apart from skipping ct?