assassination

[balmy condor]

Oh I’m weird as shit

I know what I am

[spare kayak]

thats why we appreciate you

also your wisdom

and the pins

[balmy condor]

Dawg there’s no way I just asked you if CT is doing 60% of your dps and you have to pull up logs

[feral basin]

Imagine logging

Doesn't anyone just play for fun

[subtle tundra]

so @balmy condor care to explain why youve been sandbagging m+ sims?

[feral basin]

this is a bait

[balmy condor]

What

[subtle tundra]

the whole ct thing...

why are you sandbagging and not optimizing ct

[balmy condor]

It is optimized

[spring zephyr]

whispyr are u botting on maple rn

[dire flume]

whispyr ragebait crashout time

[spring zephyr]

lil scoundrel

[warped moon]

outlaw is fake rogue

[balmy condor]

No I’m afking my bowmaster in sauna to 270

[warped moon]

i will never

NEVER

[spring zephyr]

okay then

[balmy condor]

Botting would ruin the game

[light quarry]

@balmy condor does mastery gain any more value from the pinned stuff?

[balmy condor]

I mean

Yes

But it’s already accounted for and it’s not impactful

So no

[light quarry]

yeah so it gains more but not enough basically?

[balmy condor]

Yea and any gains it had were already being simmed

[light quarry]

lovely

w whippy

[strange onyx]

Yo Whispyr a question

How’s your day?

[subtle tundra]

https://tenor.com/view/pou-pou-hanging-pou-suicide-hanging-noose-gif-9561747451850049061

[jolly heath]

That's the most important question

[dire flume]

https://tenor.com/view/raiken-cat-hang-die-bitya-gif-26309780

[frosty cedar]

Isn't it like 4am for Whispyr more like how is your morning

[strange onyx]

He is currently visiting family in Europe

[feral basin]

Ahhh so he's in a real time zone

[rugged basalt]

Gif very accurate

[earnest imp]

I was wondering how much it does on general level, not that it would do 60% 😄 never looked CT part of that pull

[balmy condor]

5am

[balmy condor]

Good misinfo

[balmy condor]

Ct + internal is like 6-8% in a pull

You’d lose around 3-4% at most

[primal parrot]

what if when the kingsbane and i have envenom but the rupture so the garrote and deadly poison but instead of deathmark so the mutilate into ambush and crimson tempest?

[dire flume]

can i delete someone elses message

[foggy moat]

why do you take internal bleeding over canny strikes in m+? seems counterproductive

[dire flume]

ct spreads iot

[foggy moat]

oh

well then

[calm grail]

So what's the ideal build then? Or is that a nuanced and loaded question?

[warm vortex]

It's bugged ye

Whispyr made a p good vid on it

[foggy moat]

figured it was a pure pvp talent ngl

[warm vortex]

Uber

where are the creatures in this image

how am i supposed to enjoy my uber image without him

[warm vortex]

Perfectopm

[warm vortex]

Also CT is considered a bleed aswell btw

due to sloppy coding

[warm vortex]

is this whatr you drive btw

[humble verge]

ye

[balmy condor]

The builds in the faq or wowhead

[warm vortex]

What are they even meant to be btw

like

rabbits or bunnies i assume

[dire flume]

bear

[humble verge]

dont question it

[warm vortex]

Also need to rewatch the vid again
But
Is it that you don't fok cause of CT or is it like

I remember you saying not to change anythign case of the bugs but i could be wrong and stupid and silly

[warm vortex]

They a need a mount rushmore

[strange onyx]

Tyty

[balmy condor]

You don’t play differently

[warm vortex]

Aight got it

Remembered you saying smth like it but ill keep it in mind

Why don't blizzard just fix the bugs
are they stupid ????

Or rather

ALL of them

[dire flume]

i think if they fixed every bug spec balance would just invert overnight it would be so funny

some get massive gains some get massive losses some balance out

[balmy condor]

I had to re-record a part with the sims because if I didn’t do a disclaimer that I’m just showing how silly IB could be, people would go insane and just l make up some new rotation

[warm vortex]

People do that anyway

[balmy condor]

That is the problem yes

[warm vortex]

Like

Imagine if one day, they just hire some zoomers and do like
a fucking huge massive bug patch

and each class has like

20+ notes onbugfixes

[dire flume]

and then next update bricks it all again and it doesnt matter

[warm vortex]

Also i love how the thumbnails show the avarage emotions of an assa rogue

[subtle tundra]

yeah cause its so easy to fix a billion bugs

[warm vortex]

If they didn't layoff all their employees it would be (this is a joke)

But some of it is very sloppy

[storm forum]

25 years of spaghetti

I think they're better off grinding it back into dough and going back to the pasta extruder

[brave stump]

does secondary poison work with autoattacks?

[subtle tundra]

mmmm spaghetti..

[storm forum]

Auto attacks are single target so it should work yeah

[warm vortex]

Tbh

The videos are sometimes more exciting than the balance patches themselves lol

[humble verge]

they are the rushmores

[storm forum]

Tag ur self, I'm HELP

[warm vortex]

Rn I'm probably
idk

ok nothing i say sounds good

i can't say im super hard lmao

[storm forum]

Nothing wrong with a little metapod signature move

[dire flume]

why not

[silent stratus]

whispyr one more q: in the latest pin u say "You should NOT be mindlessly spamming CT as you will still run out of energy."

[storm forum]

My autocorrect needs to be taken out back

[silent stratus]

so I am confused as you also said you should CT no matter the TTD

[rugged basalt]

Can I shorthand ambush to ‘bush

[storm forum]

I think he's asleep (he needs it), but I think he's saying it's always worth it to CT and apply bleeds even if the adds die after 1 tick

[storm forum]

You can use ur freewill to say whatever you want.

[silent stratus]

true but doesnt the latest pin say that you shoudnt spam CT?

[rugged basalt]

Fair bit of nuance since you probably don’t want to keep CTing on dragons adds

I think?

[storm forum]

Spam CT is referring to defaulting to using CT in AoE over fan after everything has DoTs, cause there were target counts or bugs in Sim apl or something that said that was good a while ago and now it's wrong

[thorn thorn]

F O U R

[storm forum]

I think early in the season the sims wanted to spam CT over envenom for some reason

Now we just use it when things don't have DoTs and we aren't capped on CP

[rugged basalt]

Is that leftover spaghetti from when it was a finisher

[storm forum]

Some pulls just have a ton of mobs so it feels like we're spamming it, but we're using it intentionally

[storm forum]

Probably

[worn geyser]

the only reason u dont mindless spam ct in this instance is cause u will run out of energy, it does technically do more damage than fan i believe in the current state due to the bug bc its gaining extra dam from mastery

[storm forum]

Idk I'm not a TC

[rugged basalt]

Yes

[storm forum]

It's also gaining extra dam from things that buff our finishers

Cause lmao

They never unchecked that box

Thrown precision only helps so much

[worn geyser]

idk its really not something to overthink, press ct if need to spread bleed to any mob missing bleeds if available no matter ttd, use 5 cps+ when u get them from the CT, if no targets to spread bleed just fan(altho technically rn if u have spare energy pressing CT here might be a bit better than fok edit: i would listen to ppl who know more tho like eleem)

[rugged basalt]

Guesstimating how many CTs you can get away with kinda sucks though

[worn geyser]

yeah and its small gain that doesnt matter for most people for a thing thats gonna get bug fixed in the near future(prolly)

[storm forum]

Probably only worth at the end of pulls before RP/long runs

[spice surge]

Thrown precision is also a lot better than it looks fwiw. If your Fok crits it doesnt turn the 30% chance you have to apply a poison into a 100% chance

You still have the 30% chance (or whatever you have with envenom+-talents) but you proc them one extra time ontop of that

So with dragon tempered blades a single fok hit can apply 4 poisons

[storm forum]

I love summoning TCs with slightly wrong info

[worn geyser]

eleem the goat

[storm forum]

Thanks eleem

[spice surge]

(it's been that way forever btw, I just think the tooltip isn't very clear)

[storm forum]

I didn't know it worked like that at all

[sturdy knot]

stupid questions, Deathmark buff existing Garrote and ruptures? Or do I need to re apply during that window? Also I end up in situation where the Apex Talent energy re turn is at 80% but Im at full CP for whatever reason, do keep the rotation as normal? I feel like when that happens I never actually cycle back to the beginning of the buff

[storm forum]

Existing

[sturdy knot]

im new to this, so just noticign stuff that isn't in the guide or super clear (alteast to me)

[storm forum]

It's fine. Languaged is a flawed construct.

[worn geyser]

if apex at 80, let if fall off unless ur gonna overcap energy due to it

[storm forum]

DM buffs ur bleed regardless of when you apply it

[sturdy knot]

even at full CP? Just auto?

[silent stratus]

So when should we fan over CT? given that CT seems to be the best anyway

[storm forum]

And yeah, apex means you just sit there for a few globals sometimes

[sturdy knot]

Thats what I was thinking, but didn't seem right.

isn't it CT just used to spread the dots, then FOK and envenom as normal?

[storm forum]

Like lucky said, don't do it during DM though, just overcap ur apex stacks it's fine you have the energy

[storm forum]

When everything has DoTs

[worn geyser]

fan over CT after everything has bleeds, and just forget any mention of a CT bug and u will live a happy rogue life with no meaningful difference in ur damage

[storm forum]

It's more energy efficient and generates more CP

[warm vortex]

CT eats through energy like candy

It's nuts

also the animation is very bad

in terms of your character doing it

like they just spin slightly

[silent stratus]

^ didn't lucky say CT is better than fok if you have energy ?

[storm forum]

Yeah but you never have that much energy, it's a hypothetical situation

[sturdy knot]

It deals more damage but not much iirc

[worn geyser]

its like an occasional situation in which you might throw out 1-2 extra instead for minor gain if ur like hella energy flush

[storm forum]

Also it might not even be more damage overall, like eleem said, the fan buff talents are really good. The damage compared to fan is good, but more poison apps and more cp muddied the calculations

[warm vortex]

You do CT to spread bleeds and FoK when everythign has a bleed cause of the energy cost

[silent stratus]

yes the basic rotation is very clear, that's not a problem. I wanted to clarify the comments regarding CT better than FoK even if everything has bleeds

[storm forum]

CT is very global efficient, but very energy inefficient and we care about energy a lot so just don't spam it and don't worry about dumb hypothetical situations that we think up cause we have too much time on our hands

[brittle quail]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[stark mirage]

Why is Plater no longer recommended?

[silent stratus]

If there is a >0.5% upgrade, I would need to know 100%

[stark mirage]

I used Platynator, but I could not figure out how to make the nameplates small and thin out of combat, and thick in combat

[warm vortex]

Use FoK over CT when all bleeds have been spread

[warm vortex]

I'd also wanna know

Cause i use plater atm

[strange onyx]

Yo is this new tech?

[warm vortex]

[brittle quail]

nop

[crisp pine]

It just had a lot of issues during pre patch and midnight release

[warm vortex]

Nono Skoops being like

True to his (?) name

[crisp pine]

platynator is built with midnight in mind

so less jank

[strange onyx]

Been buggy, poorly optimized and little development

[storm forum]

If it's an upgrade, it's not 0.5%, it's like 0.0001%, it's not real

[warm vortex]

Hmmm

[brittle quail]

plater hass been updatedd

[warm vortex]

I might swap over then, plater seems fine for me atm

[warm vortex]

Dude

EVERY SINGLE TIME

i see your pfp

i see something completly diffrent

[crisp pine]

Plater is fine
doesn't really matter

[brittle quail]

its way better than when midnight came out

[warm vortex]

and i have to do a double take

[strange onyx]

Use whatever you want, but with how slow it was to update, we can’t recommend it

[warm vortex]

'we'

Secret ravenholt moderator

[stark mirage]

But anyone know if you can make nameplates width/height different in combat vs out of combat with platynator?

[storm forum]

Is it wrong that when the loa of misinfo says something is bad, I wanna do it? Is dis de powa of de loa?

[strange onyx]

Been here since 2016, I am the very walls of this foundation

[brittle quail]

ytou should

[brittle quail]

filthy sub player

[warm vortex]

i've ""apparently"" been here since the third of april

[brittle quail]

not foundation

[warm vortex]

But idk what the original date was

[strange onyx]

I played assa before your mother played your father

[spice rose]

at what point do we not use our second KB before DM comes ready again? like RP or smthing happens and KB is ready and DM is like on 40 sec cd, do we just send or..? specific question i suppose

[brittle quail]

yeah blue guy

[warm vortex]

You'd send KB

ther's no reason waiting 40 seconds and losing damage

[storm forum]

I've been here since 2021.... that sounds wrong cause I know I was here mid bfa (2018/19), I wonder if I left and rejoined for some reason

[warm vortex]

At least i'd assume so
Because idk why youd wait 40 seconds to cast DM + KB when you can instead cast KB now and then wait 20 seconds later instead to line up KB and DM

[silent stratus]

anyone has the APL number on the maximum time required to hold KB for DM?

[rugged basalt]

You mean 60 seconds later

[warm vortex]

Yes

I'm fucking stupi

look at my name

[spice rose]

idk, just watched a casualaddict video and he did hold the KB for 40 seconds

[rugged basalt]

real

[warm vortex]

[storm forum]

I only hold KB if it's like 15-20 seconds before dm is gonna come up

[analog field]

I just asked whisp

in the morning

[warm vortex]

At least it wasn't zeros

[analog field]

he said send kb even in 30

[spice rose]

dont like that guy, xD

[warm vortex]

Nah zeros a g

[rugged basalt]

Can I spitball numbers at him from 1-60 and see if it changes

[storm forum]

I assume this is for a specific timing in the dungeon

[analog field]

or just he did something wrong

it happens

[runic hinge]

I would never do anything wrong

(Don’t check my logs)

[brittle quail]

no one did a meekaura to track implacable ?

[storm forum]

I'm not familiar enough with the dungeons and pulls to think about holding CDs yet (except if there's a target that will probably live my CDs, I hold if the pack is at like 30%)

[warm vortex]

This is why classes with 1 min cd and nothing else are fucking bis

Just press it on cooldown

[storm forum]

[spice surge]

They might look like weakauras, but you cant do the same thing with it that weakauras did

[storm forum]

Dark archangel void weaver my beloved

[silent stratus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6HdvSaX3VuywSsJYdUD35k

[rugged basalt]

Weakerauras

[silent stratus]

@vital flicker isn't your latest experiment a 1% gain when casting only CT and no fok?

[brittle quail]

you can track buff with it using UNIT_SPELLCAST_SUCCEEDED

[little tulip]

we litweally put lua in the bin so gouge could walk

[brittle quail]

might not work later

[warm vortex]

Didn't whispyr have that in the video and then specifically say not to change the rota based on it

[brittle quail]

but it seems like you can tracck implacable tho

[rugged basalt]

Yes to the dummy

[warm vortex]

Use FoK over CT when all bleeds have been spread

[little tulip]

anyone figure out a npcs in range addon yet?

[rugged basalt]

I’m not sure what type of content you’re doing where you wish to minmax a hypothetical that might not occur very often

[silent stratus]

random q: what keys are you pushing?

[little tulip]

14 adds tap ct what 5-6 times?

[warm vortex]

Highest i've done is a 17

and to answer the question

Use FoK over CT when all bleeds have been spread

before the
"Well insert rogue player does x on high key so i wont listem"

[storm forum]

That's also a sim without thrown precision

I'm not a TC so I don't even know how many targets it's for

CT is strong, so yeah I'm sure you can find edge cases like this, when fan is 1% weaker cause ur not taking its most powerful upgrade

[dire flume]

what about on your rogue :)

[worn geyser]

u will time more keys paying attention to the mobs than u would worrying about the ct thing

[warm vortex]

10

But
he did say pushing keys

not pushing rogue keys

[dire flume]

[fair crypt]

anyone else still doing less dps as assa then sub in 14-17 keys

not sure what im doing wrong

[warm vortex]

Could always post a log review

[silent stratus]

I am trying to figure out if there is ~1% dps gain. AFAIK, potentially there is but it will be fixed soon apparently so not worth any rotation change

[warm vortex]

P sure people would be able to help with any questions and whatnot

[warm vortex]

Use FoK over CT when all bleeds have been spread

[fair crypt]

okay srue next timed key ill send one

[silent stratus]

Vendeten I appreciate the same fifth message

but I am trying to figure out something else

[fair crypt]

not played assa for like 2 years so must be some mistakes

[warm vortex]

kk all good
will stop with the sillyness

[fair crypt]

also which dung do we want wound posion, and do we replcae deadly or amplyifying

[silent stratus]

I can see that for 90% players that 1% dps gain (if there is such thing) probably wouldn't matter

[fair crypt]

got a 14 key here acutally from earlier https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MbCfjFAZhRTwDH19?fight=1&type=damage-done

[worn geyser]

in 20s you arent missing the timer because of that kinda amount either, 99% of keys are execution problems

[storm forum]

It's not 1% in any realistic scenario for any realistic purpose. If you're in m+ or any sustained AoE, ur taking thrown precision and fan is better. If ur in small cleave or are prioritizing priority damage and not taking thrown precision, fan is more CP for more Envenoms so fan is better even if it's less AoE pad.

[warm vortex]

If you'd want people to look at it faster iirc there's a seperate channels for log reviews

[fair crypt]

not sure on my stats, cause was geared for sub, swappped a ring and consumes (ss is full consumes)

[fair crypt]

hmm i dont see log channel

[severe meadow]

Stats don’t really matter

[warm vortex]

Wait

does ravenholt not have a log review channel

[worn geyser]

its in threads

[fair crypt]

ye just thought u want less mastery more crit^

[severe meadow]

Threads but we usually quickly look at them

[silent stratus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aphQr7h9nQgcqU3Jbn36a7

[severe meadow]

I can’t rn because I’m not home

[fair crypt]

in threads?

[severe meadow]

What do you want with this information

[analog field]

post it here, assa doesn't have a log thread

[storm forum]

That's a no DTB build

[fair crypt]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/MbCfjFAZhRTwDH19?fight=1&type=damage-done heres a random one from earlier

[storm forum]

Once again, I'm not a TC so I don't really know what's going on in that sim

[fair crypt]

im giga new to assa so could easily be some rotation shit

[severe meadow]

I mean it’s also a 1:30 sim

What are we simming

Burst?

[silent stratus]

per frowntain, it seems than in high count pulls, even with thrown precision, FoK falls behind

[analog field]

let me take a look

[fair crypt]

ty mate

[storm forum]

But yeah, no DTB means thrown precision procs half as many poisons so it's worse?

[severe meadow]

How many targets

[storm forum]

But why are we simming these builds in niche scenarios without any descriptions like this?

[severe meadow]

People like to cook with random builds

[silent stratus]

10

[silent stratus]

well they were figuring out optimizations around FoK

[analog field]

Why do you think this is bad

[storm forum]

It looks like someone was trying to cook the worst possible builds for FoK for memes and you got baited by it

[silent stratus]

ehm this is from a discussion of frowntain in the tc channel lol

if you have no idea no worries

[storm forum]

Then go ask these questions in the TC channel

Wtf

[dapper oracle]

1 minute sim

[silent stratus]

lmao I tagged frowntain here in case anyone else knew the answer already

[analog field]

The whole log is really normal

Numbers are really normal

If you don't do giga pulls etc you won't have 200k average especially in spire

You have almost the same dmg as zerocool had in a 15

[quasi ingot]

So you’re saying he can get into the “pumpers only” groups? 😂

[analog field]

he has to put a pumpy note

[little tulip]

hitting em with the "sup and hey bunch of 90 parses in 16-17s last season offspec"

wow pos 13 invite

wow

[normal mist]

If only they knew that m+ parses aren't real

[dire flume]

score isnt even real

[rugged basalt]

m+ parse 😭

[normal mist]

But transmog is, and that's the real game

[dire flume]

true

that and battle pets

[rugged basalt]

Is that still a thing

[normal mist]

Somewhat

I'm back at actively playing btw

Feels good

[fair crypt]

okay nice

ty mate

just always felt like im doing loads more on sub

ig since this a 14 probably lower

[analog field]

big pulls really help

[fallow canopy]

are you telling dad jokes when joining groups?

[brave comet]

is sudden demise actually better for 12 and under?

[willow mason]

in heavy AOE, is it better to first spread to all targets bleeds with CT than DM+KB or Garrote+Rup 1 target -> DM+KB than spread bleeds with CT?

[normal mist]

No time for that, I'm getting my ass carried. Got 90 yesterday morning and was already carried in Normal raids + 1m10

[fair crypt]

yeah makes sense, so log seemed fine then, like couldnt notice anything much rotation wise

[fair crypt]

was thniking this

[fallow canopy]

get your repertoire ready

[normal mist]

I did have to afk mid raid be yesterday because baby woke up

And between me (223 ilvl) and my gf (272) I was the best candidate for that xD

[severe meadow]

SD is good in weekly keys where shit explodes

[fair crypt]

when flying daggers or secondary poisoning?

[severe meadow]

I did a few 12s yesterday and prio targets are thanos’d

[royal lantern]

new whisp video starts

"i have to rant a little bit"

oh, so its a day that ends with a Y

[little tulip]

oh it keeps working

not too bad dc'd on the last add phased died once or twice like a goober

lack of free cheap shots and finnicky setups for assa

easy a tier with some tuning stuff

grab a hunter everytime you run a key to make up for schlub tanks etc

[dire flume]

why do you need a hunter if you have tricks

[echo heath]

You dont, screw hunters

[frozen jasper]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[little tulip]

you need at least 5 globals to ball on assassin

[dire flume]

so you wont have aggro and it doesnt matter

[little tulip]

yeah but

the 3rd dps who isn't a hunter or a you

think of the fdks

[dire flume]

theyve got death strike for a reason

[brave gyro]

proper resource management

[frigid lagoon]

i refuse to read, when is assas execute?

[warm vortex]

Bro

You could legit search it up in less time than it takes to get an answer

but it's 35%

i belive

[frigid lagoon]

based

thankyou

[warm vortex]

Also

you can change your name now

Sub doesn't have rupture

[frigid lagoon]

no... i want them to know it was me

[warm vortex]

[coral ibex]

yes its 30% increased bleed/nature/weapon poison damage under 35% hp

so its a little less than 30% overall since it doesn't boost melee swings

[frosty cedar]

and it's the best execute in the game

Real

[rugged basalt]

Time to clock out of work and clock in to declined full expired

[solar wyvern]

I read this whole chain of questions and the answer is you fok over ct if all bleeds are spread, you arent energy saturated, and your priority target is more important than aoe padding.

If none of those conditions are met, ala algethar first pull, many pit of saron pulls, etc. Then u ct away

The higher a key gets, the more important envenoming on cd becomes

[woven trout]

Could you please check my log? I did very little damage and I don't know what I did wrong.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gnAG2jCWdzqJF93D?fight=48&type=damage-done

[dire flume]

you wont have that problem in eu

i clock out in 13 mins

[little tulip]

oh and it worked but again, 14 skyreach died on a healer but now a windrunner 13

yeah 🙂

[solar wyvern]

Its far too hard to judge pulls but on bosses like corewrite youre really dropping envenoms likr crazy and used poisoned knife 3 times. You must not have good uptime so youre losing dashing procs

[strange onyx]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[fickle coral]

why the fuck is the puzzle box bis when its a mastery trinket, and mastery is 4th for stat prio?

[coral ibex]

[drifting cloud]

[coral ibex]

what data scraping ai generated garbage website told you that

[fickle coral]

wowhead?

[coral ibex]

oh really

show us

[brittle quail]

counting agility

[fickle coral]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/bis-gear

[brittle quail]

see

[coral ibex]

ok so we're counting agility

[drifting cloud]

are you familiar with this sign

[coral ibex]

i dont think they are

[foggy moat]

Hey man, third grade was hard.

[dire flume]

imagine if we helped new people instead of mocking them

[coral ibex]

and if we're just blindly copying guides

you didn't even do a good job at that

the cheat sheet tells you to take plume

[fickle coral]

know what, screw you guys. someone asks a question, you just decide to be assholes. whatever. Hope it makes you feel good.

[dire flume]

mastery might be lower prio but having a little bit of it and then suddenly gaining a lot of it is very good for the build

[drifting cloud]

yeah your question started with why the fuck

dont worry were the bad guys

[coral ibex]

ok i'll match your energy

[verbal island]

if I am the only rogue and need to run atrophic poison which dps poison do I prefer amplifying or deadly?

[coral ibex]

why the fuck can't you sim yourself

[dire flume]

plus it lines up nicely with deathmark timing and is a mainstat trinket

[coral ibex]

[dire flume]

iirc you shouldnt have amplifying as an option unless you're running the talent that lets you put on 2 lethal and 2 non-lethl

[spice surge]

You can have 2 lethal (aka dps) poisons and 2 non-lethal (aka utility) poisons with dragon tempered blades

[woven trout]

TY

[spice surge]

You dont need to choose between them

[dire flume]

unless raid sucks

[verbal island]

I have the dragon tempered blade talent, but I guess if I am running only one lethal I can drop that talent

[dire flume]

there would be no reason to not be running 2 lethal and 2 nonlethal with that

[coral ibex]

there aren't many scenarios currently where you dont run 2 lethal

[dire flume]

atrophic - nonlethal
the slowing one - nonlethal
amplifying - lethal
deadly - lethal

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure every build except the meme SD build takes dtb

[spice surge]

Why would you only be running 1 lethal when you have the talent that allows you to apply 2?

Just put on deadly+amplifying+crippling+atrophic

You dont need to sacrifice anything

[upbeat cypress]

hello so do we now CT over FOK in all AOE?

[slim pebble]

Is there a Scarm that frequents in here? just played with one in a pug and the name looks super familiar

[analog field]

just search it ?

[slim pebble]

Why would I do that when I can clog up the chat instead

[silent stratus]

I think the current general recommentation is still CT until all bleeds are applied and then FOK, as it is stated in the guide

[upbeat cypress]

ok ty

[verbal island]

I was running double lethal, but my raid lead said he wanted the DR poison

[analog field]

you can have 2+2

and you end up running atro amp deadly and cripling

if I am not messing up the names

[little tulip]

honestly half the time running crippling poison is frost mage status

[analog field]

I am not losing dmg

[brittle quail]

yeah most of the time you should not put crippling up

[analog field]

just to not slow the mobs

who cares

just wait 3 sec for the mobs to gather

[little tulip]

yeah..you open on a berserker in maisara

[analog field]

or hit the ones that are kinda gathered

[little tulip]

and they're slowed

[analog field]

just not?

[little tulip]

yeah or just don't run crippling

ever

[analog field]

you are losing dmg

[brittle quail]

why would you lose dmg?

[analog field]

you have to put 4 poisons

you can put the anti heal one

[brittle quail]

letal poison are the one doing dmg

[rugged basalt]

UR RIGHT BUT I don’t wanna buy expa

[brittle quail]

why would you lose dmg for a utility one?

[little tulip]

wound takes lethal poison slot

crip is non

[rugged basalt]

I replied to the wrong message but enjoy sunshine

[little tulip]

trust u don't want crippling poison ever

[analog field]

you have a talent that does dmg based on your poisons

[runic hinge]

Lethal dose stack

[little tulip]

mm okay gonna check the notes

[rugged basalt]

Okay hold on what poisons are we to use in content

[runic hinge]

!poisons

[prisma monolith]

You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

• Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
  Non-Lethals:
• Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

[analog field]

i mean dont put cripling so you don't slow mobs for the first 3 sec?

[rugged basalt]

Thank you

[analog field]

I don't understand the gain from it

[little tulip]

if it's just kingsbane's ramp

pretty sure crippling doesn't affect it being non lethal etc

[analog field]

I am pretty sure it does

[little tulip]

yeah you wanna help the gather

crip just does movement speed down

[analog field]

don't hit if you wanna hlpe the gather

or jump on the mobs that are gathered

like your tank picks up 2-3 mobs and then another 2-3 mobs

go on the second ones

[brittle quail]

should not get affected by crippling

legit not loosing dmg by not using crippling

[little tulip]

ye just lethal damage

poisons*

windrunner brb

[analog field]

I think the tooltip is wrong as always

but someone else can confirm

[brittle quail]

i mean we have tricks to hit packs and start spreading early

[analog field]

I mean no one uses tricks on assa

[brittle quail]

but if we cant cause we have to use crippling

its just bad design

[analog field]

in 12.0.5 you won't even talne it

talent*

[brittle quail]

i do

some pusher do

[analog field]

when you can get blackjack

[brittle quail]

its a great tool

[analog field]

but you do 0 dmg

you don't get aggro ever

and the first hit is not with tricks

[brittle quail]

not the point

[analog field]

so if you go to hit a mob

it kills you

[crisp pine]

Aye speak for urself

[brittle quail]

you can help make better gather

[analog field]

you kinda can't though

[brittle quail]

you can

have you heard of evasion ?

[analog field]

you want to pull with evasion ?

wtf am I reading

[brittle quail]

ofc

[analog field]

yeah ok I am out

[brittle quail]

you can legit gain 10 sec sometimes more

depend on routes ofc

but its a tool

on pug probably useless i agree tho

[crisp pine]

people are optimising the shit out of their weekly 10s

[spice surge]

You should have that up yes, its not conflicting with your lethal poisons at all

#assassination message

[verbal island]

yeah I just swapped from sub to assa to try it out

I am just dumb thanks for clarifying things for me

[silent stratus]

wdym?

[analog field]

That if you go to hit a mob it hits you usually before you hit it so you die even with tricks

you either have to fok or something

or do shenanigans with evasion

[coral ibex]

proxy aggro isn't transferred with tricks

[analog field]

the funny thing is in raid where a mage casts the first spell and you are close to boss

and slams you

[lime edge]

If u want to pull for ur tank u can just throwing knife

[runic hinge]

It does tho

[brittle quail]

tested ? datamined ? where can i see that info ?

[coral pivot]

I mean, Lethal Dose says it should only be per lethal poison

[brittle quail]

yeah but it affect CT

while it shouldnt

so i'm not against the idea that cripplling affects it

[coral pivot]

Yea, but CT is not getting an increase from non-lethal poisons

[brittle quail]

i just don't have that info from anywhere

[coral pivot]

I mean, it could definitely be that it does, but I don't think that it does

[silent stratus]

well when tanks are pulling everything and they have a que of mobs on their ass, isnt tricks helpful to keep generating aggro to them so healers dont get it when healing them?

[analog field]

guys not taking blackjack on 12.0.5. for 99% of the keys is insane

[little tulip]

yeah sin feels good but it's more prone to dying to stuff

[brittle quail]

it is but as assa you generate very little aggro in that phase

[brittle quail]

yeah for sure

[coral ibex]

idk i don’t think blackjack really matters outside title level keys

blackjack isn’t the aoe talent

it’s the DR talent

[analog field]

in title level you probably don't blackjack though

[brittle quail]

it does matter once blind is aaoe

[analog field]

aren't the mobs getting more dmg ?

like 10% ?

[lime edge]

The big mobs are also oftenly blind immune

[analog field]

or do they do reduced dmg maybe ?

[lime edge]

They do reduced dmg

[analog field]

don't remember exactly

yeah ok maybe irrelevant then

[lime edge]

And have reduced healing

[analog field]

but assa does not need tricks I think we do 0 dmg on the opening

[brittle quail]

depends on your tank

[lime edge]

Its enough to take aggro

[brittle quail]

with bad tank you can def take aggro

and die

[analog field]

I haven't ever taken aggro

[brittle quail]

so its useful for those

[little tulip]

yeah so my take is give max bleed duration on deathmark

so assa can help with gather ?_?

it's like a whole global behind sub rogue right now

opener being blades w/ max combos > dance > sec tec

[quaint dragon]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[fair crypt]

wait so

we just use 3 poisons

[royal lantern]

what

who is spreading dumb shit again

[fair crypt]

cause not crippling

[royal lantern]

why would you not use crippling

[fair crypt]

idk ppl saying to not use crippling

XD

cause grifes tanks

lol

[brittle quail]

not get the frost affix

[royal lantern]

yeha, weirdos saying dumb shit again lol

[brittle quail]

but maybe its losing damage

[fair crypt]

ah okay

[coral ibex]

we got people doing 12's talking about you can't use crippling

[brittle quail]

idk

[coral ibex]

smh

[fair crypt]

XDD

okok

good

[royal lantern]

"yeha dont use crippling cus then the tank cant gather mobs" while like EVERY SINGLE SPEC IN THE GAME has some automatic aoe slow

[fair crypt]

lol

[royal lantern]

hell most tanks slow mobs with their aoe spamm skills themself

[fair crypt]

makes sense

[royal lantern]

[fair crypt]

do we use wound on masaira and if so isntead of what poison

[coral ibex]

no

[brittle quail]

never use wound

[fair crypt]

kk

[brittle quail]

wound bad as assa

[fair crypt]

and last thing is secondary posioning better than FLYING DAGGERS

[analog field]

I mean it is pretty useful in these dungeons

[brittle quail]

blackjack can give you the healing reduction when you need it

[fair crypt]

oopps caps

[analog field]

but dropping deadly is shit

[fair crypt]

ye ig its fine to use on sub

[brittle quail]

yeah its good on sub

outlaw too

but assa cant really drop letal poison

[fair crypt]

yee\

[royal lantern]

on sub and outlaw, the weapon poison is like 1% dmg and a flavor thing

[fair crypt]

what bout this

[royal lantern]

on assa, the weapon poison is a part of the toolkit and talents exists around them

[royal lantern]

wowhead guide has the right talents

and like, if flying dagger was better, it would be taken instead

[fair crypt]

kk

[lone lava]

Anyone have the numbers on how strong each raid buff is for Assa in M+?

[royal lantern]

gotta remember that like

ye secondary poisoning isnt really big

but flying daggers isnt really big aswell cus FoK does no dmg aswell

FoK is to generate CP so you can use the abilitys that actually do dmg

AND in AoE situations you will also generate CP trought Crimson Tempest while spreading bleeds, which ofc means that you dont use FoK at that time

[cosmic robin]

FoK still as generator if everyone is bleeding in AoE/Cleave or stick with CT?

[royal lantern]

yes you use FoK when everything that should have a bleed has them

CT costs a good chunk more energy

[cosmic robin]

Does that change if we dont talented thrown precision?

[verbal radish]

I feel like I'm struggling on the Dragons. Between adds that die way too fast, and the spread of the Dragons. Do you all multi dot the two? Do you tunnel? Do you even worry about the adds?

[barren yarrow]

anyone know where to find the midnight icon map? for the boss.

[lime edge]

Why does poison bomb not show on sim

Oh its under envenom

How are there more poison bombs than there are envenoms

[fleet coral]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[gleaming geyser]

For organized groups, use NSRT and follow the guide.

For pugs... probably use raid warning addons

[coral ibex]

just ask for assist and then drop the world markers for each set

its only 5 symbols (in heroic)

we used square for the T symbol but otherwise there's a world marker for each symbol

♦️ 🟠 🔻

[little tulip]

wound only on magisters terrance

for that one voidwalker moob

im not against crippling but with weaker tanks

you might be doing yourself a grief

[vital flicker]

I am not saying that you shouldn't FoK, nor do I endorse that. I was just looking at sims and saw something weird. As far as I know we just play exactly the same, but yes there are specific circumstances in the sims that say only CT is better. but those are sims and not reality

[spice surge]

Think the internal bleedings are still cleaving for the full cp value

Instead of around the 3 cp damage it should be doing

[vital flicker]

yeah in high target sims it says it is doing approximately 11% of your damage, but I haven't seen numbers like that in game. the internal bleeding number seeming too high was the main reason I brought it up at all

[sick marsh]

Hello sorry to disturb but it seems im missing something, seeing my dps offends me in keys. Im playing 14/15 with this opener on a big pack: garrot, fok, rupture, garrot, ct till 5 cp, env, trinket (box), DM, KB, env, ct till 5 cp and all targets affected, env, fok, env ... am i right ?

Dps goes up to 300k max 🙁

[spare kayak]

it depends on what the pull is and how fast mobs die

but what im personally doing (not sure if its correct) is im sending cds on prio mob and then ct to bleed other mobs

[vital flicker]

I would be surprised if you could get all of that opener in and full value from DM+KB even in a 14/15. I would probably cut that envenom before Box+KB+DM

[sick marsh]

i'll try this out on 5 dumies

[spare kayak]

but even on 14s there are prio mobs that die in 15 seconds so kb is barely full time

just send ST opener on prio mob, then CT into envenom

[vital flicker]

from wowhead

[sick marsh]

ye i know wowhead does this, thats a good reminder tho ty ! I've just seen casual doing CT before sending cds

[vital flicker]

ct before KB is either going to overcap combo points or you will need to spend precious globals on spending them when you don't have much time before the prio mob dies

[azure carbon]

A guildy just told me he thinks sin is one of the worst specs with low player skill, and one of the ones that benefits the most from high player skill.

[onyx rock]

I dot both dragons in the opener (use shadowstep) and hold some energy for adds where i just spam ct. Your dmg will rise when the dragons are close to each other in the last phase. If you have a blood dk yout spatter dmg will also go up but we dont have one.

[vital flicker]

uh-oh maybe I should switch specs

[azure carbon]

Looooooooool

Idk don't get me wrong I like Sin but like dude just mostly interpreting multi dotting being the worst thing ever in dungeons where things don't live long enough.

[coral ibex]

well i would basically agree

many other specs are more simple to play in st and aoe

[spare kayak]

dont watch casual, he's playing r1 keys with r1 players. on your 14s/15s your people are blowing the mobs up in seconds

[coral ibex]

if you are too dumb to spread bleeds you do 0 damage

[spare kayak]

i mean watch him, but dont do everything he does without knowing why he does it

[azure carbon]

Yeah but like... Not knowing that keeping bleeds up and that multi dotting is good isn't even poor player skill is just being brain dead.

[split veldt]

anyone else having their combo points dissapear under their nameplate with blizzards UI

happens to me at least once a day

[strange onyx]

if u hit envenom

they go away

and rupture

[little tulip]

if the mobs are nicely spaced out for a deathgrip ring of peace play

it's a w goin in the bag

[brave gyro]

Is assa the lowest ehp spec in the game?

I feel like absolute paper in 16s

[royal lantern]

ehp...?

[brave gyro]

effective hp

[coral ibex]

time to swap to elusiveness

[royal lantern]

rogue is one of the more squishy classes because the deffensives are more specific

[iron carbon]

Not playing Elusiveness is a crime

[royal lantern]

[coral ibex]

unless you are taking death damage less frequently than once per 6 minutes

then just stay cheat

[royal lantern]

i mean, elusivness is very often VERY overrated

[brave gyro]

changing talents

[royal lantern]

cus people take it on stuff where feint allready works kinda often

[coral ibex]

yea you really only take it if you need evasion to be a real defensive cd

[royal lantern]

deathstalker gaming

allright nah, thats a bad joke, nobody should suffer with deahtstalker

[iron carbon]

20 DR for 15 cd is kinda nice

Better than a cheat that save you from a death that rarely happens cuz "nothing left to avoid it"

My sentence isn't clear but you got the vibe

[royal lantern]

wdym

you trigger CD on cd

you skilled it, you gotta use it

greed for that 1 more mutilate, its worth it, trust

[iron carbon]

Uh ?

Oh got it

ahaha

[crisp pine]

I agree

[brave gyro]

speaking of changing talents, i've noticed some people taking 1/2 in Fatal Concotion instead of Secondary Poisoning - what's the logic for that?

[earnest remnant]

tbf if you lived the rest of the fight, yes!

[royal lantern]

there is honestly no real logic

those talents are all in the "its whatever" pool, so its basically vibes based picks

[brave gyro]

alright, might play around with them then, see how it feels

thanks bud

[harsh ravine]

Does internal bleeding from rupture spreads with CT ?

[royal lantern]

check pins 🙂

WoW is a very polished game with no bugs

[vestal wren]

right

[meager crane]

boys i’m 3300 and I don’t get invited, it’s impossible to pug now sigh

[vital flicker]

no bugs, lots of unintended features

[normal mist]

Be the chad party leader

[meager crane]

Assi is actually good but propaganda has led people astray

sadge

[meager crane]

True

[weary shoal]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
```You **cannot** macro puzzle box or kingsbane to deathmark, as they are both on the GCD

[weary shoal]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[heady merlin]

Was looking in the FAQ wanted to find out do we use Amp poision over deadly

[shell crater]

You use the talent that gives you 2 lethal

So you use both

[devout steppe]

!talents

[azure carbon]

Honestly I think the only reason I get invited as Sub is because tanks absolutely love permanent Tricks of the Trade. 😂

[devout steppe]

!talent

!build

bruh

[azure carbon]

It's in the FAQs

[meager crane]

Yea, it’s just like, do I want to sit here for an hour+ signing up to groups or

play a different class

I gotta either get lucky or use my own key etc

[normal mist]

wowhead.com

@devout steppe

[meager crane]

and I WAS playing sub but at a point assi prio is just better

[azure carbon]

Yeah really depends on group needs imo. If you're running with like a devourer I wouldn't worry about prio DPS. But if you're running like warrior+havoc then for sure the prio damage is huge.

[crisp pine]

Just had a devourer do 80k overall in a +14
was pretty hype for me actually

[meager crane]

Yea yea true

[lapis lantern]

are you guys @balmy condor actually in contact with blizzard devs? do devs actually look into these community driven bug infos / tables / discords ... whatsoever

[quiet star]

how attack damage scale ability damage with two weapons? is it (AD1(attack damag) + AD2)/2?

[severe meadow]

Main hand

[quiet star]

thx

[lime edge]

I still haven't seen a good devourer in m+

Devourer being good is propaganda

[final geode]

at what point do I switch full time to assassination in raid? is it ahead of sub now

[little tulip]

get gaze of alnseer and try again

sub always falls off as kill times get faster

[severe meadow]

It’s good on all the fights realistically

[hexed pumice]

how does the opener change in ST (dragons fight example) without razorwire, do we still reapply imp garrote in the last seconds of the 6's window of IMP garrote? or cast it only once on opener, dm > kb > vanish imp garrote?

[little tulip]

if raid thinks you're the damage check

probably run sub?_?

but if it's more balanced probably your choice

[calm grail]

Will blinds AOE upgrade next week still have the same low cooldown?

[little tulip]

even in m+ getting up with 0 cds fuckin suuuuuuuuuucks rn

[final geode]

right now i am full time outlul

[severe meadow]

Imo sub lines up better for damage amps

But we have like 2

And one of them is kinda ass

[little tulip]

yeah gear is easier to get if you're getting slotted every week for raid on sin though

like

way easier

[calm grail]

So after reading the pin, CT applies the current internal bleeding, or a fresh one to all CT targets?

[final geode]

sub just feels superior

[little tulip]

roll for a the not contested very hotly crit neck literally falls off a boss within 2 hours every week

ended up with a really nice stat profile for assa probs gonna do 14-15s with this instead of sub

its just less of a apm headache button mash

[final geode]

you're full bis

[little tulip]

cloak is wrong missing the raid neck :y

its 0.2 percent increase fwiw

[final geode]

can you help me be bis?

[little tulip]

deathroll constantly

[lime edge]

You need a new trinket pal

[strange onyx]

is this bis

[little tulip]

oh i have solarflare on 6/6 forgor :y

[little tulip]

that's actual bis yeah

[subtle tundra]

im howrny

[lime edge]

Is that a verse belt

[little tulip]

nah crit haste chim belt

it's extremely crit haste

[brave gyro]

how come your crit is so low at 278 tho

[lime edge]

How does he have 130 vers

[royal lantern]

by having around 130 vers in various pieces of his equipment

[lime edge]

[runic hinge]

seems like thats daily

[subtle tundra]

ofc

[little tulip]

yeah i want the 5% crit or whatever from the neck to drop adds even faster

next tuesday is .5 patch so probably myth alnseer trink > hero crown neck > myth sal neck probs

[worldly hound]

Hi folks 🙂 back with some more probably stupid questions. Bleeds spread from your deathmark target with CT aren't buffed on the secondary targets right? Also when opening in aoe do you want to spread bleeds first or get deathmark up after applying bleeds to primary target?

[simple tundra]

What UI is that? That looks great

[brave gyro]

Narcissus addon

[heady roost]

Is there a better way to track the Implacable buff? When I use cooldown manager it is really wonky and doesn’t show me my stacks all the time

[little tulip]

you don't spread the double bleed deathmark creates but CT will spread improved garrote to new targets etc

[strange onyx]

Narcissus

[little tulip]

opener is setting up your deathmark target and then spreading bleeds to the max + kb

sometimes your target will die before you get an envenom out etc

[brave gyro]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hand-on-shoulder-alright-bro-5NbbVJeSLs1etZYjpT

[worldly hound]

dope dope dope. thank you!

[strange onyx]

its good for knowing if u dont have enchants etc.

[heady roost]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joestar-jojo's-bizarre-adventure-oh-god-gif-8778475541004519036

[little tulip]

quick napkin opener is garrote > get a 5cp rupture up > refresh garrote while imp up

then depending on who you ask it's envenom / trinket or reverse into dm > kb

i like max cps > trinket > envenom > dm > kb but im not feeling strong about openers lol

[drifting cedar]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[drifting cedar]

hey guyys why it says plater is not recommended? Platy better on the fps?

[manic quartz]

why isnt plater recommended 😮

[little tulip]

color coding isn't supported rn

is my guess..the guy who did it quit right?

like you can color code but it's not out of the box working like platy

[manic quartz]

Oh, havent even realized that, anyone got any good profile for platynator?

[coral ibex]

i have color coding in plater

[spice surge]

You cannot colour code much anymore

[coral ibex]

have had it since midnight dropped

[spice surge]

The only thing you can do it is with blizzard default things

[little tulip]

ye it still works but profiles etc idk

[coral ibex]

oh ok i guess the mages having white hp and the prio mobs having blue hp is just a hallucination

[spice surge]

Which is lieutenant mobs / mobs with mana / mobs without mana

[fresh kelp]

iirc plater was just giga gapped since beta

[manic quartz]

well idk, but for me big mobs and casters are color coded

[spice surge]

Thats the only things you can colour based on

[fresh kelp]

performance, features, etc.

[coral ibex]

well isn't that basically the only things that were color coded before

prio/casters/shitters

[fresh kelp]

and with the addonpocalypse a lot of people took the chance to change

[spice surge]

Well yeah but not all casters have mana

[little tulip]

plater has better pvp support in bg blitz only reason i made a platynator clone

[coral ibex]

yea i have noticed some red guys casting spells

[little tulip]

can see friendly healthbars but percentages for enemies

[spice surge]

And you cant fix that until blizzard does

[drifting cedar]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[little tulip]

you run into the wall of battleground enjoyers and its just where tf am i

thunderfury transmog 🙂

[midnight mist]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[humble verge]

holy closege

[runic hinge]

You don’t need a guide just ask @spice spire for any questions you have

[spice spire]

I’m down to gaslight

[midnight mist]

its ok

i just learned it all

did speerdun

it was very hard

[coral ibex]

ok

do i press fok or ct

[fallen charm]

If you don't want to lean too hard on the bugged ct just press fok

This will probably get fixed this or next week

[weary stump]

Neither, throw potion bombs and mutilate

[agile wedge]

does somebody have the energy to check my log from first boss myth? i sucked again and would be happy about some advise
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/tgPcdBraL2Hxk4yT?fight=10&type=damage-done&source=40

[fallow canopy]

None of those has poison on their names so you use poisoned knife to build cp

Yw

[little tulip]

i have a question on how to unethical parse on sin rogue but i'll wait til next week

just gonna deathmark on opener

or maybe not idk

[fallen charm]

Jist farm dps on adds

Vanish garrote rup ct and let sudden demise explode your dps to 100 parse

[split laurel]

Did the adds die so fast that you only needed to press fok once?

[lime edge]

Does the range on caustic spatter get bigger if its on a big enemy

[coral ibex]

no

[lime edge]

So its useless on some bosses

[agile wedge]

i tried to ct a bit but it died fast yes

[little tulip]

oh true someone did mention the parse goblin build

i should

ahah

[coral ibex]

there's just a secondary range check around you if the hitbox is big

[agile wedge]

also on one set i did not switch, as i had my dm up

so i sent into boss

[coral ibex]

there used to be a pin about it

[lime edge]

Wdym by this exactly

[fallen charm]

I personally hide myself inside the boss' hit box so my raid leader don't see me not switching to adds

[fallow canopy]

Only relevant to giga big hitboxes enemies

[coral ibex]

if the enemy hitbox is larger than the caustic spatter range, there is a secondary range check within range of you and the target

[lime edge]

Oh so there's an aoe on u too literally

[coral ibex]

no

[lime edge]

Oh only on big enemy

[coral ibex]

thats only if the first range check doesn't work

and its only in the intersection between your radius and the boss

[lime edge]

Oh

[split laurel]

2 vanishes in a 6.5 min boss fight. Could’ve had 3. That’s an extra 30 seconds of uber buffed garrote from DM and improved

[coral ibex]

the guy highlighted blue in that picture doesn't get hit

[coral ibex]

only the one highlighted yellow

[fallen charm]

The caustic area is the green area

[foggy moat]

is there any value to targetswap for envenom on paladins?

[lime edge]

Is the boss hitbox the yellow or the red

[fallen charm]

Both

[lime edge]

[agile wedge]

true. thats definetly something i need to care about more

[fallen charm]

When you click the boss, the yellow area is the circle around it

[coral ibex]

everything in white gets hit

except on gally nothing could be in the red circle

so secondary range check happens

[lime edge]

Ok

[coral ibex]

its because caustic measures from center of the target's hitbox initially

[royal lantern]

what if you make the entire screen white

does it hit everything then

[split laurel]

As long as you are zoomed into 1st person, then yes

[split laurel]

You have top boss damage, even on a cleave build. If the adds are dying so quickly that your bleeds last less than the full duration, then just go ST pure and parse on the boss lol

[agile wedge]

question is, did i do stuff wrong

[pulsar coral]

so if CT is like whitelisted for everything, has anyone tried simming with CT on single target during lust

[agile wedge]

i mean top boss dmg parses have like 94k

iam way behind that

[balmy condor]

The bugs have been reported

[split laurel]

Vanish usage definitely. You lost damage on that. I can’t see uptimes on my phone, so idk about other things

[balmy condor]

Not sure why lust would change anything, but it’s too expensive to spam in aoe and definitely not worth in single target

[pulsar coral]

da energy regen was my thinking cuz it's so expensive

shenanigans with DS was my thought

making it better than mutilate

[balmy condor]

It generates half the combo points

Idk what ds is

[pulsar coral]

deeper strategems

[balmy condor]

Oh

Deeper is the least of the worries

That’s 2 talents of 5%

When implac is giving it 20

And mastery is giving it 40

[viral sage]

Im confused about the rotation in high keys with this new CT theory crafting stuff. With 8-10+ mob pulls is CT > FoK?

[balmy condor]

You don’t change anything

[split laurel]

In 14+ I do the same rotation, CT until everything is spread and FoK after. After all your 4pc gives bonus damage to FoK anyways

[viral sage]

at what target count does CT out dmg FoK?

[heady aspen]

Is spamming CT to get bleeds on everything while ignoring Envenom and overcapping combo points ever the play?

[storm forum]

Maybe if your daggers are broken and can't cast envenom

Or ur not talented into spatter and there's no priority target and there's 100 mobs

[split laurel]

That’s a crazy thought lol maybe on a level 2 key with a sudden demise build? Lmfao but no that’s not something that should be done

[balmy condor]

Hello, wowhead guy here. Agility Crit and Haste is better than Mastery point for point. That being said, you want to buff your cooldowns, since we’re a burst spec, and puzzle box lines up with 2 min cds and gives the most stats for that. It’s also worth noting that if something were to give for example 800 mastery, versus something else only giving 300 agility, it’s likely the mastery is just better

[frosty cedar]

@balmy condor I beat the dragons padder with ethical build LETS FUCKING GO

[balmy condor]

No

[frosty cedar]

[balmy condor]

Ez

[frosty cedar]

did the regicide -> scent swap

so much better

if timing the cds right

[echo island]

Is there a better way to track my apex stacks (implacable)? Its not showing every other 'reset' of the cycle

[heady aspen]

Its bugged

[fallow canopy]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[echo island]

yeah its super annoying

[fallen charm]

Gotta look manually at your buffs lol

[echo island]

w/e XD

[heady aspen]

I just drop envenom for implac whenever I'm feeling energy starved regardless of stacks

[fading dock]

Is it always correct to stop at 80 implac stacks for the energy buff? Or there’s situations in which you pool them for?

[split laurel]

Only drop 80 if you’re not going to overcap on energy by doing so. Generally don’t want to drop it during DM/KB burst since you’re trying to build the 50 stacks asap

[fallow canopy]

There's technically a way to track it with arcui creating a bar that mimics the way implac behaves

[split laurel]

(Meaning hitting envenom and doing all the damage you can during DM is generally better) but should think about pooling just before dm is off cd so you don’t have that problem of being starved

[fading dock]

Ahhh okay that makes sense ty, fairly new to the spec I appreciate the advice.

[fallen charm]

Isn't there a way to lock buffs in place? Like making every implacable buff be at the same buff spot ever?

[storm forum]

I think that's only for buffs that show on raid frames and implacable doesnt

[fair otter]

Hi all, I am just coming back to wow after a break. It looks like fatebound is better to play but slightly less dps unless you arent really good at Deathstalker?

[vital flicker]

fatebound is just better like 90% of the time, it is less funnel but more overall and ST

[split laurel]

i miss dragonflight S3 deathstalker

[frosty cedar]

cursed

[fair otter]

Ahhh okay, thank you! I picked up deathstalker before checking here lol I will give another look at my talents!

[jolly heath]

Nah swapping target with mark is ultra curse, we dont miss that

[willow mason]

in heavy AOE, is it better to first spread to all targets bleeds with CT than DM+KB or Garrote+Rup 1 target -> DM+KB than spread bleeds with CT?

[coral ibex]

it depends on how quickly the pack will die

[fallen charm]

Unless it is a +16 your target won't live long enough for you to apply bleed before burst

[vital depot]

Anyone got an advice on CDs for Vorasius. Kingsbane comes off CD at a strange timing when the adds are spawning. Do you just send it regardless and go help on adds?

[coral ibex]

you dont go hit adds

[fallen charm]

Just double garrote+rupture then you can ct after the burst

[fallen charm]

Let people farming logs kill the adds

[coral ibex]

you never go hit adds unless 1. your damage is actually required to beat the damage check on the adds or 2. the adds are stacked on the boss

[vital depot]

Fair, not sure my raid agrees with that, but I get your point

[coral ibex]

or 3. you got fixated twice and don't have vanish up

[vital depot]

cheers for the replies