assassination

[crisp coral]

Ye, should be but i might be stupid but cannot find that

Only option i found is that, but would love to have Garrote as Rupture, down there

[fringe valley]

Tuff i think I’ve run it like 40 times now. Not just for dagger but ring and neck. Got both, but still never seen the dagger drop

[grim tree]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[spring kettle]

Hi guys I’m noticing as a new rogue that assassination is become more popular than subtlety in mythic plus. When is each spec better than the other and which is better for raids ? Ty

[balmy condor]

!sub

[prisma monolith]

"why are people playing assassination now???"

• Assassination prio damage is really high
• Subtlety does a lot of aoe burst, which made it great in lower keys at the start of the tier compared to assassination
• Subtlety has gotten nerfs to black powder, while assassination has received buffs over the last month

[static glacier]

Lmao there’s a command

[radiant raven]

That owns

[balmy condor]

I got tired of it

[static glacier]

Real

[balmy condor]

I gave it an alias as well that I think is really funny

[radiant raven]

We need an !Assa one in Sub that does the opposite

[balmy condor]

!why

[prisma monolith]

"why are people playing assassination now???"

• Assassination prio damage is really high
• Subtlety does a lot of aoe burst, which made it great in lower keys at the start of the tier compared to assassination
• Subtlety has gotten nerfs to black powder, while assassination has received buffs over the last month

[radiant raven]

Hahaha

[balmy condor]

big fan of why

[grim jay]

the W command

[sonic pagoda]

i came back three weeks ago I started with holy paladin got it to 270 then found out mw monk does it better almost 3k on the monk 271 ilvl however the assa rougue is calling my fuckin name so hard

Healing bad dps when i can be the bad dps

Multiple guilds asking me to play rouge for them as well seems like free gear

[balmy condor]

guilds are ASKING you to play rogue?

[sonic pagoda]

yes like 4 of them

[sonic zinc]

holy

[balmy condor]

ngl maybe they're just trying to get rid of you

have we considered that

[sonic pagoda]

how can i consider that when they legit try to rectuit me to play rogue

yellow bar population is low

[balmy condor]

no one recruits rogues man we all get benched lmao

[sonic pagoda]

maybe in the top CE guilds you get benched haha

[static geyser]

tot bug not working anymore ? havent really checked

[balmy condor]

wdym

[static geyser]

trickster swap thingy

for 1h

[balmy condor]

oh I think they got rid of that but I have no clue honestly

tricks is fake on this spec anyway

[sonic pagoda]

so whyspyr instead of playing rogue are you saying to just roll a dk? lol

[balmy condor]

If you're trying to play melee in raid, yeh

[sonic zinc]

ret pala :p

[stable pasture]

even warr

or ret

[balmy condor]

can't bench the definitely-not-a-raid-buff-and-totally-optional grip

[sonic pagoda]

yeah i just want to play the game so i rolled healer and now finding out healers are overpopulated sort of healing is fun right now just need to play melee dps to be at my true potential lol...I'm not a CE raider btw just like a 6/9m kind of guy

also i always get the highest io when i play rogue in keys i achieved 3.3k io doing 17s last xpac which was good for me season one was enhance shaman doing 15 keys

[grim jay]

good healers certainly arent even close to overpopulated

[sonic pagoda]

well yeah

Healing 12s on mistweaver at 258 ilvl was fun

now that im 272 ilvl doing the 13s seems like an influx of bad dps came into my keys

[grim jay]

well because its the average joe keylevel

[sonic pagoda]

yeah the ceiling of the average joe if you will

ive built a decent ret spec on my holy paladin...but idk if i can play ret lol

[balmy condor]

[sonic pagoda]

got a level or two on the rogue just sknning was stopping by to see if rouge still has my heart

yeah love the competitive tag on the low keys lol

had a dk in a 13 mc earlier he didnt amz one time when asked him 15 times to use his ability

[balmy condor]

I think the worst part about how easy keys are this season

is that it's going to force me to actually do higher keys just so I can pug my weeklies

[sonic pagoda]

yeah just so you can have smooth runs?

[balmy condor]

no I can't fucking get into 10's and 11's anymore lmao

[sonic pagoda]

lol what the fuck

[static geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[balmy condor]

cause like 14-15 are kinda free

so every fucker on earth is 3200

[sonic pagoda]

ah i see

[static geyser]

yeah legit seen bots in 15s

[balmy condor]

and I'm just trying to fill my vault and log tf off

[sonic pagoda]

yeah that ive had issues with 3.2k players being not so smart just bashed head against wall form the start is how a lot of them got there

[balmy condor]

yeh and I'm like 2960 atm

because I just do my weeklies

and then log out until the next week

but that shit ain't workin no more

might have to actually try a little

which is upsetting

[static geyser]

dont even wanna bring up how they making aug demo groups in 10

[balmy condor]

that's a banger

[sonic pagoda]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

+10 need aug

is a classic

[sonic pagoda]

they see meta they think meta has to be done to carry them yet they cant press class buttons

idk hpal/mw has been good to me for groups i suppose

[balmy condor]

what's ebon might do? no clue but aug is meta so I'm sure its a good button

[sonic pagoda]

haha

where do i put source of magic on the warrior? sounds good

[static geyser]

aug s tier on petko tierlist 🤪

[balmy condor]

murlok.io please

we're cultured around here

only the finest slop

[grim jay]

https://www.noxxic.com/wow/dps-rankings

should really buy n+ tho

[balmy condor]

thank you

[gentle sigil]

Quick question are people swap to sin in higher keys because mobs live longer? or is just better than Sub?

[sonic pagoda]

you answered your own question.

[balmy condor]

!why

[prisma monolith]

"why are people playing assassination now???"

• Assassination prio damage is really high
• Subtlety does a lot of aoe burst, which made it great in lower keys at the start of the tier compared to assassination
• Subtlety has gotten nerfs to black powder, while assassination has received buffs over the last month

[gentle sigil]

Thanks :)

[balmy condor]

yuh

[static glacier]

!whyspyr

Shit command

[grim jay]

!shakespyr

[static glacier]

Whispyre evoker name locked in

[grim jay]

thats actually a good one

[balmy condor]

sometimes it's kinda funny to see how pugs handle the dps amp on the second boss in nexus

[grim jay]

they kinda dont

[balmy condor]

clearly lmao

based on the dps from the dk

I think he popped army on pull

[static glacier]

Yeah ngl, sin fucks on that boss

[balmy condor]

it's an 11

everything fucks on that boss

[coral pivot]

Some things fuck harder tho

[balmy condor]

you would have to hold cds for that

[coral pivot]

True

I think max spoke about some classes getting double dips during damage amps, if they also have a damage amp

[balmy condor]

that doesn't make much sense to me

[coral pivot]

I will admit I didn't hear it, since I was watching Exile, but multiple people in my guild have talked about it

I just don't know where or what it comes from

[balmy condor]

yeah I don't doubt it, weirder things have happened

it's just not immediately clear to me how that works

[coral pivot]

I am not smart enough to have an idea either

[balmy condor]

cause it's a buff on yourself

so it works like any other damage increase buff would

[coral pivot]

For now I am only good enough to read what smart people cook up and then replicate, but have yet to become a free thinker that can cook

[balmy condor]

I guess the weirdness could be like if you had something that applied a debuff right, which increased all damage dealt

[coral pivot]

It might not be active on that boss, and just be a thing in raid or something

[balmy condor]

like shiv did

[coral pivot]

Like saladbar

[balmy condor]

that would double dip

maybe that's what he means

[jolly stirrup]

How is your Myth Prog going King?

[balmy condor]

idk I'm not in on paladins

but from what I hear, not good

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[coral pivot]

It would make sense at least since Max knows more about the raid than keys

[jolly stirrup]

Does CE apply only if you kill endboss? Or you need all kills

[balmy condor]

it's a guild achieve

[jolly stirrup]

Ah got it

[coral pivot]

CE is from end boss. HOF is guild achieve

[balmy condor]

oh

right

CE not HOF

CE you just kill end boss

[coral pivot]

And the mythic raid achievement requires all bosses

[jolly stirrup]

[balmy condor]

gotta get that charity hall of fame

[worldly sail]

Among the first ~~ two ~~ seven hundred guilds

[balmy condor]

hey that's not true

we were 680!

[worldly sail]

hof is hof

[coral pivot]

It was kinda funny

There will be so much discourse later on when people say they have HOF

People will definitely be like "YEA BUT THAT ONE EVERYONE GOT SO IT DOESN'T COUNT"

[balmy condor]

I think the quality of my guild has dropped significantly with the removal of the weakaura that put a big plus on your character

because people could not fucking figure out where the fuck they were going on chim

and it was

really bad

[coral pivot]

I think some had made an addon that could do the same

[worldly sail]

that was one of the first addons i got, crosshair

[balmy condor]

some of these bitches play blindfolded there's no other explanation

[coral pivot]

Could be their monitor is dead

[balmy condor]

drop a repair mount for monitor pls

[coral pivot]

When I first started my rogue raiding experience I was in a guild at world rank 1300-1400

Season 1 of TWW

[balmy condor]

oh that's hell

that's a circle of hell

[coral pivot]

Going into season 2 it was expected to have an alt for splits in the first season

🤣

[balmy condor]

yeah

1000-1500 is demon shit

[coral pivot]

And I thought "HELL NAH. I AM NOT WATCHING THESE GUYS OFF MAIN."

[balmy condor]

once you get to 2k they're just piss vibing

and if you push up to like 500ish

they're also piss vibing

[coral pivot]

But thankfully I found a new guild before that around 500

[balmy condor]

everything in between is shit

[coral pivot]

And after season 3 a different guild messaged me asking for an interview because I don't die

Now we in HOF range. If we get Crown tonight it can be top 100

[balmy condor]

I coached a guy one time, his guild has never gotten CE, and so for the next tier they went from 3 day raiding to 5 day raiding for the first 2 weeks

to do 3 splits

and I about shot myself on the spot

[coral pivot]

jfc

[golden loom]

we are a 2 day guild so therefore I play 4 alts to keep myself entertained

[balmy condor]

I just play other games like a normal person

this game is already my job

[golden loom]

my addiction wont let me

[coral pivot]

I just play rogues

I got 3 rogues to max level. My guild did 3 splits, I played rogue in all of them

[golden loom]

also the other games would be league or runescape so its like changing out crack for heroin

[radiant raven]

How many are rogues

[golden loom]

dk, dh, warrior and hunter

[balmy condor]

aren't all video games kinda drug-ish these days though

lets be real

[radiant raven]

those aren't rogues 🙁

[balmy condor]

everything is gambling and loot boxes

we're all gambling addicts

[golden loom]

number going up makes brain happy 🙂

[radiant raven]

same

[balmy condor]

you trying to parse? 15% dps swing due to nothing but RNG

run the boss again

[radiant raven]

They should make the timer count up to 5 minutes and not down in group finder. then number can go up there, too

[coral pivot]

Btw, Whispyr, when you are figuring things out during theorycrafting. Is it a lot of trial and error, or do you have some feel for some of the things? Like how you figure out what does best etc

[golden loom]

tbh tho main reason I dislike league is that when you have "limited" (I say this as I play wow for 12 hours) time, losing games feel worse

[coral pivot]

Or do you just trial and error feed it to the bot and see what it likes?

[golden loom]

atleast with wow or runescape you are always gaining something

league you could play for 5 hours and just make negative progress

[radiant raven]

That's why I like collectionism in WoW. I'm always working towards something

[balmy condor]

I mean if you told someone that doesn't play video games right, you walked up to them

"every tuesday morning, thousands of people open this program on their computer, and they stand around in front of a box, and when they open the box, it's a choice of 6 things they could pick. It's a weekly ritual, and you share it with all your friends and you post screenshots of it everywhere if you get a good choice"

[golden loom]

but I will still have to do a league session sometime during this year, cant go a year without hitting masters

[balmy condor]

they'd look at you like a fucking idiot

[radiant raven]

It's like bingo

[vernal adder]

Tell them its our bonus for doing hard work

[balmy condor]

I mean there's a lot of intuition that goes into it to begin with, but some things are just:

1. X sounds good, Y sounds good, what if we did Z thing
2. set it up on robot
3. check to see if the logic worked
4. refine
5. still shit
6. you wasted a whole afternoon on something no one will ever see or hear about
7. gg theorycrafting

[radiant raven]

We should start shouting "BINGO" when we get a good item in the vault

[coral pivot]

I think a lot think the same when you say "Billions each year gather around a large field that isn't even the same size at all stadiums and then watch 22 people kick a ball around to kick it into the net of the opponent"

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's like more normie to watch a sport

there's cities and nations involved

it feels more real

[coral pivot]

Well, it's also been a thing for a lot longer than video games

[balmy condor]

you log in, open a fucking lootbox and go "YIPPIE THE RED AND BLUE PUZZLE BOX!!!!!!!"

that's insane

[hearty seal]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jackpot-devil-may-cry-1

[radiant raven]

pokemon card booster packs

[golden loom]

lowkey it makes me happy every time you log in on reset and see those hundreds of people at the vault

[radiant raven]

Man it really is just all gambling, society really has built us into gambling machines

[golden loom]

makes game feel alive

[balmy condor]

yeah see, you're fucking conditioned

I bet you're clicker trained

[vernal adder]

They gonna make vault like cs cases

[hearty seal]

society? you mean warcraft

[coral pivot]

Number two is setting up APL, right? That's a thing I had been wondering about for a while

[radiant raven]

I'm glad I don't have to deal with any gambling at my work except on if someone replies to an email

[balmy condor]

correct yeah

big ol' thing of fuckoff boolean logic

[coral pivot]

Ty ty. I am getting more curious on all these things after I got further up in world ranks

But probably not going to be digging into APL that much

[balmy condor]

yeah depending on the spec you play, the APL might be very easy to parse

or just demon shit

[coral pivot]

I do have a few times a day where I have a minute of silence for the guys figuring out sub APL atm

[balmy condor]

like this is easy

you look at this

and you're like yeah okay makes sense

if I talent, I button

if I have aoe, I button

if buff big number, I button

[radiant raven]

Nice and clean logic

[balmy condor]

and then you see this

[radiant raven]

lmao

[coral pivot]

[balmy condor]

and you're like

okay

slowly but surely

I can make my way through that

it's just a lot of X or Y or Z

fair enough

kinda makes sense

and then you play havoc and you open the APL

and you just

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[golden loom]

I mean the havoc opener is a launch sequence

[balmy condor]

they don't even have an opener list anymore

they used to have an opener list

[coral pivot]

Okay, so question. It's already expected that when we get more secondary stat, sub will start having naked sectecs. So to figure out these things, would that be like one APL can figure out what the breakpoints are and change priorities depending on if you have enough or too little?

[golden loom]

its legit 20 seconds and you have to be gcd perfect to fit it all in pretty much

[balmy condor]

but like literally what the fuck is this

there's like 10 variables and we're checking our fury and the generation and doing math with our GCD timer

like I'm fucking out

no thanks

[balmy condor]

kinda yeah, it depends on the breakpoint

[golden loom]

okay that looks complex but do you know what the rotation was in reality on fractilus

[balmy condor]

for the sub breakpoint stuff it's kinda more napkin mathed

like the 700 haste breakpoint

is just kinda vibed and mathed out by hand

but for example in the past, assassination had haste breakpoints during BFA in nya'lotha

[golden loom]

@balmy condor apl this

[balmy condor]

where you would swap poison bomb to CT for example

since poison bomb is mastery/crit/vers

and CT is mastery/crit/vers/haste

or was, it was a dot back then right

[coral pivot]

Aah, ye

[balmy condor]

and so there were breakpoints where with enough haste, you could just do more damage with CT than poison bomb

and that was simulated

I went in and just slammed haste values until it became better

and then big pin, here's the haste value, gg

but with the sub stuff, it really depends on like what the GCD is, and there's lag on stance swapping so you need to macro stuff

and like technically you can always just get more haste, but there's a loss to getting more and more haste obviously cause you don't have shit otherwise

so that's a lot harder to just simulate and say bang here ya go

the APL would need to constantly change with every breakpoint

[coral pivot]

Yea, I imagined so, but I am not that techy with it

[balmy condor]

cause you have to play around each haste value a little differently

it's just a nightmare

so instead of all that disaster

[coral pivot]

Yea, big ups to the sub TCs for wanting to figure it out

[balmy condor]

it's just kinda vibed and tested by hand

[coral pivot]

Big ups to tcs in general imo

[balmy condor]

like you need X haste and guidon and you can comfortably fit two sectecs in a shadow blade

gg

other problem with simming something like the sub haste

is the sim is a robot, it will just cast the moment it's available

but humans lag

either brain or internet or whatever it may be

so like even if it were more efficient to sim the numbers

you would still have to vibe out a bit of wiggle room

it's part of what makes it one of the messiest breakpoints that have ever existed tbh

[coral pivot]

Yea, as I started learning these things I just had to go to my raid leader and go "I can't sim my BIS items because sub sims are too precise for human"

[balmy condor]

a lot of other classes have very concrete stuff like gcd gets reduced right

you get a 10 second burst window

enough haste you fit another gcd into burst window

[coral pivot]

Then I sent him a clip of Exile going "I just ignore the sim. I get 700 haste and then I feelcraft my crit and mastery"

[balmy condor]

that's clearly just better

and sims automatically do that

you just sim your shit and it can just cast more abilities

and it just works

but the way they did it on sub is such a fucking disaster

[coral pivot]

Yea I figured that since SD gets longer duration and Sectec gets shorter CD

[spice surge]

It's not even only a human thing

[coral pivot]

Thanks a lot for answering all my questions btw

[spice surge]

It's moreso the server batching things

[balmy condor]

np, this is the conversation I love

rather talk about the shit I have passion for

[radiant raven]

It's very interesting

[coral pivot]

He did mention that all the humans lag means server, human and all the bot isn't affected

[balmy condor]

you can understand that I'm not really keen on answering "hey guys how much haste I need for assa?" 300 times in a day

this is what I actually enjoy talking about

so it's nice

[coral pivot]

Understandable

And you can't really do what RATIRl does on his stream because he hates answering the same question over and over. Unless someone actually shows they gave some thought before the question

He just bans repeat questiosn

[golden loom]

Fly high

[balmy condor]

maplestory class discords will ban you on sight if you ask a question answered in the faq/guide

well, most kick

and then they rejoin

[coral pivot]

Kinda understandable

[balmy condor]

and it forces you to get new roles and checkbox "yes I've read the guide"

and then they just fucking kick you again

but those class discords are like 10-20k people

not 150k

a lot easier to do that when you're smaller

otherwise I would be spending half of the day just kicking every schmuck that shows up

[coral pivot]

Yea

[vestal wren]

some class discords did that in the past

*wow class

[balmy condor]

yeah super early on

at some point it's just not viable to do that anymore

[coral pivot]

Need a new role that basically blocks you from everything but the FAQ

[vestal wren]

ye

[glad tartan]

new 2 sin ! like do I want all the crit ?

[coral pivot]

Big crit is important. Think roughly 40%, but ultimately always sim yourself unless you play sub

[glad tartan]

okei okei ! cuz it sims like crazy !

[balmy condor]

crit is our main secondary stat, yes

[frosty cedar]

straight back into it

[coral pivot]

Yea, crit gives us better energy economy

[balmy condor]

happens

not every bot can be a backshot

[lament oracle]

wait we need 40% crit?! XD

no wonder i felt like i did nothing on my rogue 😄

[balmy condor]

we don't need anything

but generally in bis you'll get close to 40

[runic hinge]

Ya'll need some bitches

[lament oracle]

i swapped to sub, feel like i can spam 2 buttons and do more than assa, which is a shame since i prefer assassination more

[coral pivot]

As Snoop said in 94. We don't love them hoes

[balmy condor]

swapping to sub while everyone is swapping to assa

[lament oracle]

XD

well was start of season

[runic hinge]

I would never switch up on my day 1s

unless i got money

[coral pivot]

I currently play assa in keys and sub in raid

[spare leaf]

im like i doing less dmg as Assa than sub even in 16

[lament oracle]

not just me then 🙂

[balmy condor]

feels like skill issue or blaster groups

[coral pivot]

I do about the same, but assa brings much more priority damage

[balmy condor]

ye

[coral pivot]

So any important target that either nukes my tank or the team, I just take them out

[lament oracle]

i mean its partly due to me farming 10-12s on my rogue atm, so packs dies in no time so once my dots are out the pack is already dead 😛

[coral pivot]

Like the 2 big guys before last boss in MT. Nuking the one that heals so it only gets 1 rotation of healing is pretty strong

[vale marten]

has anyone here kiled alleria? do you actually get 2 deathmarks in execute or am i tripping? theres no public logs

[coral pivot]

Yea, 10-12s you're most often better off playing sub

[balmy condor]

on mythic?

[vale marten]

yes

[balmy condor]

I'm trying to think

might be possible I guess

[spare leaf]

im like wtf they doing with aoe spread dot on 2 target....

[balmy condor]

probably need a slow kill though

it's tight

[vale marten]

the fight time is around 8:30 for most but not sure at what time execute start

[balmy condor]

execute is like 6:30

so like

if you go into p3, and it's clean

[vale marten]

yeh thats tight

[balmy condor]

you push hard

and then they die

and you have like 3 deaths

then maybe you can get 2 execute cds

[spare leaf]

Is just me or, i dislike so much the apex talent as assa

[balmy condor]

but on a clean kill there's no way

[coral pivot]

From what I can see, some guilds hit execute at like 6:10

At least, the first one I found is at 6:10

[balmy condor]

yeah depends how fast you can do it

first kills generally will be a bit slower

[vale marten]

yeh i guess gonna play sub till we get to execute and see what are timings are

[winged python]

What funnel do we get from pulling extra mobs onto a boss? The increased energy regen?

[runic hinge]

scent

[winged python]

Ahh

tyty

[balmy condor]

you're gonna play a 1:30 spec until you see the execute timings and then re-prog the fight on completely different timers?

that seems really fucking troll ngl

[coral pivot]

It is a bit counterintuitive to say the least

I would probably only swap to assa if I had progged all the way, but we are lacking damage in P3

Or I'd have started on assa

[balmy condor]

we've failed trials in the past for doing that shit

50 pulls in, we look at logs all of a sudden the devoker is playing aug

[coral pivot]

Understandable

[balmy condor]

and we're wondering where the add damage went

[vale marten]

dont think its that big of a deal, it mostly for p1 do i only have 1 or 2 cds

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a fucking gkick bud

[grim jay]

thats like my RL randomly changing the setup between raid days when we were close to killing

[balmy condor]

yeah equally criminal

[coral pivot]

It's more that you are changing your entire damage profile when there isn't a reason to do so really

[balmy condor]

I'm also not really convinced assa does more boss damage

[vale marten]

yeh sub actually is up there for bos damage

but overall in the raod assa is much higher, just no logs for alleria

[balmy condor]

If you're just looking at boss damage on wcl it counts the p1 adds btw

so

that's giga fucking fake

[vale marten]

you mean the 3 big guys?

[coral pivot]

Unless there's reason to swap spec, I would not swap spec during prog

[balmy condor]

yeah

[sonic willow]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[balmy condor]

the 3 big guys count as bosses technically

[coral pivot]

And even then, I would talk to raid leader before swapping

[balmy condor]

it fucks all the statistics

like just a random log, you sort by all bosses

it's all p1 dam lmao

2/3rds of his "boss damage" is the p1 ads

[vale marten]

im not showing this to my rl, aint getting benched lol

[balmy condor]

I mean it's like that for all the specs right

so you're just kinda hoping your raid leader doesn't have braincells and is incapable of sorting by phase

I think sub is honestly fine

[vale marten]

nah hes a smart guy, was joking

[balmy condor]

worst case scenario you just bring another mm hunter

welcome to voidspire

[subtle tundra]

just kill the boss, no?

[golden loom]

True

[balmy condor]

varas I'm gonna tickle your butthole

[subtle tundra]

are you on laura yet?

[balmy condor]

guild is failstacking paladins first

[subtle tundra]

🥶

[balmy condor]

gotta get all the wipes in on the early boss so you can save them on the later boss

[subtle tundra]

the 500 puller looks like a 700 puller for you

dont worry the boss will be giga nerfed 7 times in a row so the average joe can get CE

[golden loom]

How many melee dps do you guys have in

[balmy condor]

great quesiton lets look

[golden loom]

We seem to have 6 planned

[coral pivot]

RIP

[balmy condor]

3 and a mistweaver if you count that

[subtle tundra]

you need 2 mistweavers

grow up

[coral pivot]

I was benched for paladins and crown because melee 🙁

[balmy condor]

nah after the nerfs 1 is fine

[golden loom]

6+1 mist

[balmy condor]

6 melee on paladins is some demon shit

[golden loom]

2 rogues

[rigid tartan]

Is it still an issue that atrophic only works on direct boss abilities and auto hits? Meaning lot of the unavoidable dmg in mythic is not affected by atrophic?

[coral pivot]

Better hope there's some rets and UHDKs in there so they can play ranged

[subtle tundra]

it is yes

[balmy condor]

it's boss dependant, but yes, if you can't poison you can't reduce

[coral pivot]

Anything that comes from the target "Environment" on warcraftlogs is stuff you can't stop

[vale marten]

youre trolling orr actually have 2 rogue on paladins?

[subtle tundra]

paladin is mandatory in all comps with the same 3%

rogue isnt

[balmy condor]

I mean you can also slot paladin into 3 roles

rogue is mdps, which is always the most contested

[golden loom]

This is the list of our dps specs in the guild

[subtle tundra]

you can also slot a rogue in 1 of the 12-13 dps slots

[balmy condor]

game sucks

what can you do

[vale marten]

hahahaha holy fuck

[rigid tartan]

Why don’t they change that to it just giving every raid member a dr so it works universally.. are they dumb?

[subtle tundra]

call the rogue rerollers the R word

[balmy condor]

1 of the 12 dps slots, 8 of which are automatically rdps

[balmy condor]

you have 2 dh's

and neither is playing dev?

[golden loom]

Both are thankfully

[balmy condor]

thank fuck

[golden loom]

If I go in on dh tho it would be havoc

[balmy condor]

so you're not going in on dh

[golden loom]

[coral pivot]

We have a Havoc player and he's barely in for prog because devourer is stronger and ranged

[golden loom]

Havoc kinda fucks

[balmy condor]

yeah but it's not dev

survival also fucks giga hard

but it's not mm

checkmate

[coral pivot]

Yea, but much like feral it suffers from the fact that it's melee and isn't severely beating devourer

[golden loom]

My first 2 vaults were myth puzzlebox and a myth axe so its impossible for me to play dev sadly

Kinda fun spec

[subtle tundra]

i think im ovulating

[vale marten]

im actually of the opinion too many guilds are looking at FOTM and put people who dont know how to play the class on it but yeah that roster for paladins is demonic

[balmy condor]

most times, that would be correct

but this raid

actually fucking blows ass for melee

the fotm decision making of "fuck all the melee specs"

is just objectively correct

[coral pivot]

The amount of times my officer team is like "We have to bench you for this boss because melee is so bad. We do think you are playing really well and it isn't because of your gameplay" is pretty astounding

[balmy condor]

yeh

such is life in s1

[coral pivot]

Yep

[balmy condor]

ranged is always favored to some extent

[coral pivot]

But remember how everyone complained about DKs not being worth bringing because their raid buff was grips and now they've made several fights that want grips

[balmy condor]

but sometimes like this season, it's REALLY bad

[coral pivot]

Rogues are going CRAZY next season

[balmy condor]

I mean blizzard openly stated that they would do this

[subtle tundra]

rogue is getting reworked in 11.1.5 btw

[balmy condor]

that's by design

[coral pivot]

Surely this means that environment damage is removed going forwards

And atrophic poison lasts for 3 minutes

[balmy condor]

checking the mid-season liberation of undermine patch notes to see if this is real

[subtle tundra]

but also you need 3 dks not 1

[golden loom]

Uwudk in for prog?

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest, environment damage is irrelevant 99% of the time and people are just bitching for the sake of it because "what if environment damage is half the fight and I can't reduce it!" even though that's never happened

like sarkareth was some fucking insane environment damage

but atrophic was still good

cause the environment damage didn't actually fucking matter

[coral pivot]

I know. It's just atrophic not being as crazy as other raid buffs. Stix and OAB were the ones being terrible in recent times just because everything that did damage was from a mob that died

[rigid tartan]

U mean dmg spikes that result in dr usage and healing cds in general are affected by atrophic?

[coral pivot]

Well, atrophic didn't work on the beams on stix, or really any of which did damage
And OAB it also didn't work on the things that were killing. Plus those two fights were heavily favoured for ranged spread AOE

[rigid tartan]

Is the statement accurate that only “environmental” dmg is not affected by atrophic, as long as you had atrophic poison applied to the boss/adds?

[coral pivot]

Well, the poison lasts for 10 seconds. If you're not applying the poison to the target that deals damage, then it won't work

[rigid tartan]

Gotcha thanks

[coral pivot]

So for example, when one of the paladins is dragged away and your poison runs off. It no longer works on that paladin

[rigid tartan]

I think it either needs a buff to be more meaningful and possibly even justify double rogues on group splits in encounters or redesigned to work in a different way like an actual group buff

[grim jay]

nah we just need the crit raidbuff

[subtle tundra]

shut up

[rigid tartan]

The latter makes more sense to keep freedom in group comps

[subtle tundra]

rogue doesnt need a raid buff

[grim jay]

make me

[subtle tundra]

rogue needs to do good enough dps to be guaranteed a raid spot

[grim jay]

nah crit raidbuff

and good tuning

[subtle tundra]

ill crit when i pound you

sexy style

[grim jay]

I damn hope so

[golden loom]

Make tricks give a damage buff!

Power Roguefusion back in business

[subtle tundra]

you seem like have a brain debuff

[golden loom]

Healers refuse to dispell cause its all private auras!

[subtle tundra]

mmmmmmeow

[runic hinge]

[grim jay]

@balmy condor any real reason to pick 1 fatal concoction over secondary poisoning?

[balmy condor]

2% st

and like 2% in 10t aoe

[grim jay]

dang alright

[subtle tundra]

whbat about 2-9t?

[lean plover]

its a -30% dps in those, whispyr just spreading the stats convenient to his propaganda

[subtle tundra]

typical gatekeeper

[balmy condor]

it's a loss

[subtle tundra]

ok oomfie

[weak crescent]

Is there any nameplate addon that can display debuffs as simply just flat colored bars instead of icons?

[runic hinge]

cursed run

[weak crescent]

something like

[grim jay]

bars on a nameplate addons sounds like ungodly clutter

[weak crescent]

ungodly clutter rn is 50 garrotes and raptures on my screen when im tryna focus on prio and also handle kicks and stuns for my group

[grim jay]

imo debuffs to the side instead of on top and a good nameplate setups is kinda all it takes

and bars would def be worse

[weak crescent]

maybe its a matter of perspective

[weak crescent]

Something like that would work for me^

[quiet star]

Hey all, what state of assa rogues for m+ now?
I asked here a month ago and people suggested to play feral😀 (which I did)

[grim jay]

never seen anything close to bars on nameplates ever

[quiet star]

How aoe, how st? Don't usually see assa in keys to be honest

[shy axle]

just to be sure i am understanding it correctly and not thinking some half-truth from prepatch: CT is not spammed over a finisher at 5+cp, right? i would always ct ct finish ct ct etc if i would still need to spread bleeds over fok like mentioned in the faq and guide

[grim jay]

warcraftlogs

[grim jay]

there never was a reason to not finish afaik

[analog field]

there was for like 2 days or something

[grim jay]

alright, wild

just follow the guide tho

[quiet star]

Worst answer it can be😆

[grim jay]

its the only actual answer

everything else is subjective

[runic hinge]

kill me

[cunning needle]

new record lets gooooooooo

[grim jay]

weekly no leaver?

[frosty cedar]

❗ ❗ NEW RECORD ❗ ❗

[runic hinge]

yeah, on my spriest alt i decided to play this week that i might quit now because of the trauma

[quiet star]

But that's actually what I'm asking, if spec is ass but have good numbers it doesn't mean it's good

[grim jay]

it didnt really get any noteworthy gameplay changes for ages

[strange onyx]

Heja

[primal parrot]

crimson tempest goes hard in midnight

[grim jay]

you only have convenient spread with CT, everything else is same same

[runic hinge]

moonkin with 4 set and 285 weapon barely beating the tank in overall, had to run out to change talents and left the group and then came back, then we wiped on every boss we lusted on,

[primal parrot]

how does anyone mess up boomkin

refresh dots, press shiny button and dont cap astral power

[runic hinge]

dude didnt know he couldnt change talents in the dungeon, also didnt know he could shift the affix, also the altar at the mini boss

idk

run was cursed as hell

[granite bluff]

anyone know the best way to sim assa in M+? should i run patchwerk on X targets and on 1 target and asses? or just use dungeon slice?

[grim jay]

dungeonslice

[golden loom]

Welcome back

[royal lantern]

ngl, Crimson Tempest could be the name of a kinda mediocre Metal Band

[strange onyx]

Thank you 🙏🏻

[winged nacelle]

During kingsbane we are still spamming envenom right? not caring about dropping the apex talent for energy regen?

[static glacier]

jesus

what bricked it?

[strange onyx]

The loa always returns stronger

[static glacier]

nop, you can drop apex during kb too

[strange onyx]

Drop at 80 if not overcapping energy

[winged nacelle]

fuck that sounds so cursed

but sure

[runic hinge]

my 251 spriest alt with 900 io only getting like 3 applicants over 2k so im just dealing with what i can get but i got a 10 in vault when i had 0 keys done on that character so we suffer for it

[static glacier]

idk if it's a big gain neccesarily, it's just not a loss so acceptable to do

I won't pretend like im dropping it during dm / if i pooled for kb

[static glacier]

how's it feeling? spriest was one of the specs im debating for next char

[runic hinge]

the most insane part is how easy the keys were getting it to a 10 and then i get there and its like no way to tell who is gonna be a key brick assassin

the new build they cooked up playing VW with all the apparitions talents is pretty good, lots of ghosts

[muted ridge]

is there a tricks macro to always @tank ? im using name macro rn and its annoying to always change it before each run

[balmy condor]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[tawdry halo]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[muted ridge]

Legends, thanks

[rigid totem]

keys like 12 and under should i use the sudden demise build or its just a you can go with it?

[strange onyx]

Do what you want king

At that level it doesn’t really matter

[static glacier]

does it feel like you dont do dmg til a while has passed

or is it bursty

[runic hinge]

uhh, its ok

[muted ridge]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[old lily]

Since we dont play DS, Assa "funnel" is just having bleeds on stuff for more energy regen right?

[strange onyx]

you fok to envenom 1 target

so your foks funnel into the one target + all your bleeds etc

and your cds are all single target based

[frosty cedar]

just sim it

[clear ingot]

yep

doin it

figured it was an easy question

but i will just go sim

[old lily]

What in tarnation

[spice surge]

The extra energy from dashing when using fok is very impactful too

[static glacier]

fok big cheap, extra targets big energy, envenom big damage. more cp and less downtime = more envenoms = big dam yes yes

I feel like a poet of our times

[old lily]

When i read funnel i imagine stuff like singular focus and such

But i guess in this case its "funnel" in the sense that ease of access to CP for less energy

So more big ST spenders

[frosty cedar]

and scent of blood in certain talents

[old lily]

Ye ye

[strange onyx]

Hope this graph helps

if you are visual learner

[old lily]

Just thought there was some new kind of "damage to this also hits this" mechanic i didnt know about

[strange onyx]

Caustic spatter splatter caustic damage on all targets around

[red schooner]

Skoop is back, we're saved.

[strange onyx]

The loa never dies, I just go to Ardenweald to recharge

[primal parrot]

caustic spatter is a thing also

[cunning needle]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[spice surge]

He caved in and added the ratio

[grim jay]

yeah I was shocked

and sad

[analog field]

but my ratios are not these

am I bad

is robot not working correctly?

[grim jay]

perhaps its the mythical sim trap

[little tulip]

anyone figure out how to get plater to hide wound poison? spell list doesn't work

[lime edge]

My stat ratio almost matches the ratio from command lul

[green pivot]

is there any macro that you can/should use with assassination?

!macro

[balmy condor]

!polo

[lime edge]

I have box > deathmark > kingsbane sequence macro, but thats obviously not necessary

[balmy condor]

Isn’t that fucked if you cancel box

[lime edge]

It hasn't messed up so idk

I have dm and kb on separate buttons too tho

[static glacier]

ngl i like box > env > dm > kb

fuck env > box, i hate it

[analog field]

true on the other hand if env falls of you get energy for your dm window

[lime edge]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[lime edge]

My ratio 40 : 34.9 : 23.1 : 2.4

[balmy condor]

Bro dividing his stats in a calculator

Gotta get that decimal

[radiant raven]

How much speed, though?

[chilly spoke]

Guys, I’ve just started playing again, but is the assa working better than the sub in a high key?

[worn geyser]

they both are pretty good

[lime edge]

[radiant raven]

smh

just outrun the damage

[worn geyser]

Pit of saron is the method bro u actually can just mega crank since every pack has a big prio target its insane

[desert crest]

When we get the jumping deathmark this is everypack

[rugged basalt]

yo the raidbots text box update???? massive

[cunning needle]

guys my ratio is 40/25/18/8 with vers but my stat weights are telling me to still get more crit? is the sim broken

[desert crest]

Yeah it is so nice

[zinc frost]

Jumping deathmark

[desert crest]

Well I mean even in the highest keys we would sometimes kill our maintarget faster than our cds

I guess in a perfect world everypack has a giga focus target and we are meta every season

[spice surge]

Nobody is speccing that

Not only is it genuinely awful, but it's also a choice node with finish the job, aka 10% dmg during dm

[lime edge]

Id rather have jumping kingsbane

Fk deathmark

[zinc frost]

Introducing a new talent that will never be taken

[foggy moat]

are we gonna be able to track implacable any time soon?

[spice surge]

Who knows

When blizzard decides to fix it

[desert crest]

Well gg

[hollow dirge]

At this point, my inner counter is pretty accurate. I may think I’m 80 sometimes but be 65 and vice versa, not a big deal, but it would be nice if they fixed it yeah

[golden roost]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[frosty cedar]

they should just remove sudden demise, buff it so it executes at 100% bleed dmg and bake it into finish the job for a single target, instead of this jumping deathmark useless node

[runic hinge]

Yeah idk why I would ever take that instead of damage amp

[sharp viper]

It’s nice

[green pivot]

Does any1 have zerocool's plater? I feel like it looks really easy to track bleeds with it

[analog field]

poisons ?

[runic hinge]

We’re tracking poisons now?

[green pivot]

sorry bleeds

[hazy sundial]

Try asking him in chat?

Hes here aswell but not very active

[green pivot]

Was thinking about doing it, but he's not live atm

[coral pivot]

What is it called to sim the whetstone in the raidbots footer?. Like how would you write it in. Only know pots, food, and flask atm

[spice surge]

You cant

As they're not implemented

[foggy moat]

this thing? <.<

[coral pivot]

Ah, fair

[fickle girder]

I just came back after stopping during S1 last expac... why is iron wire so ass and why does sub have like 3 buttons

[frosty cedar]

you need to lose damage to take iron wire and it doesnt apply on CT

[fickle girder]

Imagine it did tho

[analog field]

again I don't think anyone would pick it

Casts are being reduced in general

[viscid spear]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1488547832062415010/drop_fixed.png

[fickle girder]

Oh interesting. It was pretty goated last time I played

[analog field]

In tww early seasons when it wasn't even a big dps loss it was a contested pick but barely

and then you had to drop shiv talents so never picked again

[warm vortex]

Probably toilet brain question
I can just chew through my tea with no worry right? Or do i wanna save 1 for DM + KB window

[runic hinge]

You do not care about tea

Don’t bind it. Don’t track it. Pretend it’s a passive

[crisp pine]

Honestly tracking it is kinda fire cause you can treat the icon as a form of messiah

You're out of energy but then you look at the icon and it says like 10 seconds and you know this period of starvation will not last

[runic hinge]

I’m never as starved as @ember mural

[primal parrot]

hey @balmy condor just wondered how i can do as much as i can with the poison without losing as i do the envom into when i the rupture and kingsbane?

[crisp pine]

what

[real pike]

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

[runic hinge]

hey @balmy condor just wondered how i can do as much as i can with the poison without losing as i do the envom into when i the rupture and kingsbane?

[warm vortex]

What

My brain

[hazy sundial]

You can when you do but not when you cant. So just do as you would but dont when you can. Also if you can, do

[brave gyro]

How do I find people? Stuck at 16s in M+ and takes a very long time to get a group going

And as a rogue, we're playing with an affix

I'm already careful not to queue for groups needing lust of CRs but yeah, it's rough

[frosty cedar]

what is my goat saying

[humble cradle]

Does anyone have a ui addon or profile that allows you to combine all offensive, defensive and utility cds plus potions into one display?

Currently I’m using the cdm plus better cdm addon and everything is displayed but it’s in like 3 different boxes and looks terrible and they’re not even in the positions I want.

[crisp pine]

u can move the boxes

[runic hinge]

Wait I’m the goat?

[grim jay]

You either get a group of guildies or play your own key

[humble cradle]

Yeah but it looks bad. Also I like to seperate interrupts/cc from defensives and make them vertical I don’t believe you can do that with the standard ui

[chilly spoke]

Do you lose a lot by not using the Night Elf? Do you also recommend pre-potioning for stealth to get the buff on Garrote?

[grim jay]

Wdym by not using night elf

[frosty cedar]

night elf is not the best race for pve

[grim jay]

Noone recommends nightelf because of the racial

[frosty cedar]

there is no prepotioning either

[plain thistle]

people really overthink stuff huh

[spring hill]

hi guys, is Mutilate a better cp builder than FoK in 2 target situation provided the recent dmg buff on the ability?

[spice surge]

Your garrote (and all dots) dynamically update their damage with whatever stats you have when they tick, so prepotting does nothing except waste duration of your pot

[shy axle]

@spring hill with blindside mut at 2, if no blindside its fok

[spring hill]

aight ty! 🫡

[frosty cedar]

mutilate didnt get a damage buff unless he means PVP

[brave gyro]

Don't have one

[spring hill]

oh was that 180% only in pvp? 👀

dang it just re-checked patch notes, yeah 😅

[royal lantern]

prepot isnt a thing for how long now lol

[shy axle]

do you hold Deathmark for the inv phase on last boss caverns or just pop it, who cares?

[radiant raven]

Since Shadowlands, I think? Maybe even BfA..

[brave gyro]

Think it was SL yeah

Where they put flat 5 min

[coral ibex]

you can prepot keys thats about it

even that is questionable unless you start with a huge pull immediately without travel time

[spice surge]

Hold it

Its 150% dmg increase

[analog field]

I think if you hold you cast 1 instead of 2 though

[coral ibex]

amp on MC last boss is like at least 1m into the fight

[spice surge]

Or well, if you know youll be getting 2 of those phases you could probably send on pull and have it up for the second one

[coral ibex]

so you can kb

[spice surge]

Yeah but 1 with 150% is worth more than 2 with 0%

[analog field]

i think you DM pull then KB a little before phasing or keep kb for amp and get a second dm ? depends on lvl

[spice surge]

2.5 > 2

(not to mention BL)

[analog field]

I thought it is 150%

like 1.5

[spice surge]

150% more

[analog field]

y ok then mb

[coral ibex]

100% increase = 2x

[analog field]

yeah then kb and dm amp

[shy axle]

ty guys

thats exactly what i was wondering about

[little condor]

whats the best skill for crown heroic fight?

talents i mean

[frosty cedar]

I heard it was bfa last?

[shy heron]

I think it finally died in DF

[wooden jasper]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-throwing-brick-brick-cat-gif-9142560192559212520

[fossil shell]

What is everyone using for meters? The default wow one or details?

https://klipy.com/gifs/tom-cruise-shades-1

Or whichever one makes you look bigger

[frosty cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yeet-cat-throw-throwing-cat-throwing-gif-17596880703268510995

[heavy nebula]

Hi, approximately what haste amount are we needing here for M+?

[frosty cedar]

sim dungeon slice my dear friend

[plain thistle]

just sim, there is no such thing as % needed

[heavy nebula]

Ah, somehow I thought it would be similar to outlaw, where there seems to be a req of about 25%

[plain thistle]

people really love that idea for some reason, they even check top logs and try to copy that

[heavy nebula]

kk

[frosty cedar]

yep there is no breakpoint for assa

[fossil shell]

so no one uses meters?

[plain thistle]

im using details

[fallow canopy]

Default

[analog field]

assa or sub on dragons? thinking sub for the pad?

[spice surge]

Until blizzard adds one to assa too since its so well loved by both #outlaw and #subtlety

[plain thistle]

[lost wolf]

is there an addon to track stacks of implaccable?

[plain thistle]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[lost wolf]

sadge

ty

[vernal adder]

34% haste needed for ass

[spice surge]

Should be 34% crit, the good ol meme

[vernal adder]

Aye

[fallow canopy]

"Haste now reduces your KB and DM cooldown up to a maximum of 15-30 seconds respectively"

[plain thistle]

yeah, was watching a stream yesterday and the guy really said that, because on murlok it show assa with 37% crit

and the conclusion is that you need that

[vernal adder]

Real

[spice surge]

[plain thistle]

oh, and 17% haste

[royal lantern]

ye im pretty sure i was bfa

and i remember Seli being angry about it, or maybe im hallucinating that one

[runic hinge]

hey just wondered how i can do as much as i can with the poison without losing as i do the envom into when i the rupture and kingsbane?

[royal lantern]

huh

[fallow canopy]

Yes

[delicate rampart]

someone decypher that message

jarvis?

[warm raft]

can someone give me the TLDR for the apex talent if you have 80 stacks do you let your envenom drop if you wont cap energy?

[obtuse ruin]

did they make getting stealth from nelf meld easier in m+?

im getting stealth even with all bleeds running

[frosty cedar]

hey just wondered (盗贼伤害垃圾). how i can do as much as i can with the poison (评分红色，和武器战一样). without losing as i do (公会之耻). M the envom into when (大秘秒拒). i the rupture and kingsbane? (刪除此類)

[runic hinge]

[frosty cedar]

[little tulip]

kay but as soon as they add an enemy npcs in range it do be on

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-pokemon-wooper-huh-huhh-gif-4321629261148289206

[humble rose]

Should we cast envenom before or after puzzle? envenom > puzzle > deathmark > kingsbane or puzzle > envenom > deathmark > kingsbane

[true tusk]

How is it possible that I get into pug M+ groups when I queue as Sub and then swap to Assa after getting invited, but if I apply directly as Assa I just get declined every time?
All 3 rogue specs are basically performing at a pretty similar level in M+ anyway...

[rigid tartan]

Bias against assa one tricks?

[warped kiln]

How do you guys preferctly track the apex talent ? With the CMC interface it'sd not working corrctly, thanksss

[fluid oak]

!implac

[prisma monolith]

Implacable is bugged in Blizzard's Cooldown Manager, there is no way to "fix" it.

Until blizzard fixes it, you just have to either count your envenoms or glance at your buff bar if you're trying to be optimal. Ignoring it when it bugs is <1% loss.

[warped kiln]

thx, always a buggy spec hahah

[true tusk]

Yeah probably, people just assume things from spec

[analog field]

ppl don't assume anything

assa is better than sub

they just saw a tierlist 4 months ago

and they think this will be forever

[glad tartan]

when do I use the box trink in opener?

[rigid tartan]

I’d use it after envenom

Right before dm

[glad tartan]

ty !

hate that it is a cats time

cast

[viscid spear]

The macro that uses the potion with DM is helpful. You're trying to Envenom and then while the Envenom buff is running you use the Box and then Deathmark and finally Kingsbane to get another Envenom out before the buff falls off.

It can be a tight window but with enough practice you can do it easy.

[cinder grove]

Should I always (outside of lust) drop envenom at 80 implacable stacks or only when I feel I'm energy starved ?

[onyx veldt]

cant macro puzzle and deathmark right?

[tacit otter]

you can't

[onyx veldt]

ty

[viscid spear]

Puzzle is a cast so no

[viscid spear]

It's not really super important to track the Implacable buff

[noble nova]

Hi guys, i am really interested in assassination and I am willing to switch, but I want to ask.. where does assa shine ?

HIgh myth dungs?

[runic hinge]

!why

[prisma monolith]

"why are people playing assassination now???"

• Assassination prio damage is really high
• Subtlety does a lot of aoe burst, which made it great in lower keys at the start of the tier compared to assassination
• Subtlety has gotten nerfs to black powder, while assassination has received buffs over the last month

[noble nova]

mwah

ty

[viscid spear]

Just become a bleed tornado

[noble nova]

so it seems its worth to recraft

gonna switch now

[runic hinge]

Don’t recraft

[viscid spear]

Do you mean respec?

[noble nova]

change weapon from Crit mast to Crit Haste

[runic hinge]

Assa and stats are fine. You don’t need to spend gold

Don’t worry about that

[viscid spear]

Oh no, like Tony said; don't recraft

[runic hinge]

Just get a different neck or something

[viscid spear]

We're not crazy about specific stats

[runic hinge]

It will not be the difference you think it is

[noble nova]

thats what I am currently with

[runic hinge]

Yeah tbh that looks fine

[viscid spear]

(unbuffed)

[noble nova]

but yeah dont I need more crit

[runic hinge]

Maybe

[runic hinge]

Could do a droptimizer sim and see if new jewelry would help

[subtle tundra]

booba

mggmmgmgmmhgmhgmh

[noble nova]

10000000000000%

[glad tartan]

what is the addon ?

[runic hinge]

But like switching your weapon stats is gonna be so marginal

Not worth the mats cost for like .4%

[noble nova]

then maybe by switching the gems it might be enough

[coral ibex]

imagine only having 681 crit

[royal lantern]

why does the comment explain that, but doesnt explain why im always feeling exhausted

[runic hinge]

I would sim it before you spend 20k gold

[brave gyro]

Myth tier pants 6/6 with weak enchants

[runic hinge]

Your implacable hasn’t procced yet

[coral pivot]

Sims will definitely say you need crit

[coral ibex]

this is with r1 mastery pot

i was just in a key

[coral pivot]

BIS gear will get you around 40% crit, but just follow sim and if it doesn't like more crit atm, then don't

[noble nova]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/44StU6BrEAHcsQGKhZJYp9

[golden loom]

okay why is the rank 1 dragons log running sudden demise

[runic hinge]

Based

[noble nova]

This gear that I currently have is from simming

[coral ibex]

patchwerk 7 1m30s

wtf

am i looking at

[runic hinge]

Okay well don’t sim 1:30 Patchwerk 7 targets

Who does that

lol

[noble nova]

i literally asked ppl and thats what theyve said for AOE xD

[coral ibex]

who

[runic hinge]

Sim Dslice for dungeons and Patchwerk 5 mins for st

[golden loom]

dungeonslice

[coral pivot]

Well, it's decent if matched with a lot of different sims

[noble nova]

lemme resim into Dung slice

[brave gyro]

And put rank 2 enchants

[coral pivot]

@noble nova You can do that type of sim, then 3 minute 1 boss etc. Simming different scenarios you encounter in keys is better than just 1

[coral ibex]

we dont sim that way for keys

[analog field]

doesn't work for rogue at least

dungeon slice is literally that

1 boss

[coral pivot]

How come it doesn't? Just out of curiousity

[analog field]

5 mobs

then 8

because it has not been worked on

all rogue tcs optimise dungeon slice and one target

[runic hinge]

Because the sim isn’t quite written to work with those scenarios but a lot of work has been put in to making Dslice work

[coral pivot]

I only ask because I have been doing the other thing because that is how Meeres etc were doing it

Aah, fair enough

[analog field]

afaik mages do some shit like this

[runic hinge]

Yeah I’ve heard

[coral ibex]

not all sims are created in the same way

[analog field]

we don't do that here

[coral pivot]

Good to know that the rogue tc's did work to make it useable

[brave gyro]

You can Sim for all the scenarios in the universe, but if you don't kick and do mechanics, it's all big circlejerk

[runic hinge]

Yeah. They all put in a lot of work to it

Love those guys

[coral pivot]

I love them as well

Had good yap sesh with Whispyr about it and the APL earlier

@noble nova But a good thing to do since sub and assa both went crit/haste/mastery in some way, you have a lot of shared pieces. If you get neck/rings to swap around then you can easily obtain your haste for sub, and swap to higher crit build for assa

[analog field]

just sim

nothing really matters especially for assa

[noble nova]

true, based on what uve said before.. ill go farm occulision ring

[analog field]

and for sub too just 700 haste

[analog field]

make sure this is an improvement

[noble nova]

alr

[coral pivot]

I currently run the 4 week Hero PvP neck and nexus point rings in sub, and for assa I run pit neck, crit/haste nexus point and AA ring

But I also want to be able to play both specs since I play both depending on content

[noble nova]

same here, I also raid and about to start myth raid. in which Sub is better

[coral pivot]

Most of the way, ye. UNless you are benched on paladins I would recommend playing assa on that one

[noble nova]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bRBaquJ5e9DwpCdHMM1Dm8

[coral pivot]

But don't grief your raid gear just for keys

[noble nova]

it only told me to recraft weapon xD

[coral ibex]

at this point sub is only better if your raid lacks in aoe burst

[runic hinge]

For .3%

[coral ibex]

and even then its questionable

[runic hinge]

Do not recraft for .3% pls

[noble nova]

I wont

[coral ibex]

assa is significantly more boss damage

[noble nova]

.3 is useless

[analog field]

sub better, is a weird statement

[noble nova]

why is that so

[coral pivot]

Both are quite good but fill different niches imo

[verbal sable]

gamers of this channel, withnout blindslide talent 2t is FOK too?

[golden loom]

yes

[verbal sable]

cool thats lot of foks on paladins