assassination

[balmy condor]

Good players are still good, but bad players are now also just pretty decent damage

[strange onyx]

Whispyr gonna drop an apex talent in depth video tomorrow

[balmy condor]

I will not in fact do that

[strange onyx]

He said it on the podcast yesterday

[balmy condor]

Bro literally hate you so much

[rugged basalt]

I love listening to them..,.,,

I think the lower bar has raised a lot due to one fingering rotation or whatever it’s called these days

[azure carbon]

Also things like raid buffs have a bigger impact relatively because the floor moved so much higher.

Particularly if you pug a lot.

[dire flume]

ive used that technique but i dont know how it relates to wow?

[strange onyx]

What do you guys wanna hear about on the podcast next?

[rugged basalt]

So like am I supposed to do it during the pull? I lose too much damage

[versed mica]

I kinda miss rupture sniping, I cry

[wary light]

$5 per, bing bang boom you're rich

[balmy condor]

[dire flume]

what was rupture sniping?

[strange onyx]

YouTube short angle

TikTok Whispyr?

[balmy condor]

YouTube shorts are GIGASHIT money

[crisp pine]

rupturing a mob that's dying to get an insane amount of energy back

[balmy condor]

The meta these days is you use short form as promotion to your long form

[wary light]

Nah private vid uploads paid for upfront

[balmy condor]

Like a 20 min video and you just upload a 25 second clip

[grim jay]

Mine is just short, it doesnt have a long form

Wait what

[balmy condor]

[wary light]

$5 for whispyr to say "keep bleeds up, finish on 5, yes energy is shit"

Rinse repeat

[rugged basalt]

YOU’Re probably NOT PLAYING ROGUE CORRECTLY IN MIDNIGHT
25 second intro for exposition
5 seconds of content
AND THIS IS WHY: short loops, ding sound

You’re welcome do not ever credit me in a single thing in the past or future

[balmy condor]

I mean, yeah that’s basically the template

[versed mica]

Rupture sniping is when you put a rupture on an add that is dying soonish to get some extra energy from it. They nerfed it to the point that it's a loss

[strange onyx]

Whispyr should just translate his videos aswell

Senõr el Whispyr

[balmy condor]

I actually set up a whispyr german channel

[static glacier]

Why are we acting like sin hasn’t been keep bleeds up and finish for idk how many years now

[grim jay]

Whispyr should just lock some of the sim stuff behind a patreon paywall

Like a certain someone

[rugged basalt]

Can you get someone to dub your videos? I understand them perfectly fine I want to know what it feels like to be a pally watching an informational guide

[balmy condor]

But it fizzled out cause I got a wowhead promo

[dire flume]

youtube has an auto dub

[balmy condor]

And then uh

[wary light]

I'll translate them to British English for you

[balmy condor]

No time

[static glacier]

Bro I get people do it for work but I hate it so much

[rugged basalt]

It’s not the same. I miss what we were

[static glacier]

Takes away from an otherwise great TC

[balmy condor]

Yeah for some people and some videos, sometimes, randomly, and you can’t decide

[grim jay]

Is he tho? Dont know him

[primal parrot]

hey can you guys atleast add a video on the bottom of someone cutting soap im starting to lose focus

[rugged basalt]

The markiplier method is to hold a bell and every 10 seconds or so ring it to grab attention back

[grim jay]

They got me good with that one. When it was new I sometimes dismissed videos as some AI generated shit because of the voice and I didnt know it set that randomly

[static glacier]

If it’s azor then yes, he’s a good tc all round tbf, I just find the monetisation aspect cringe

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

There was a guy in my comments like 4-5 months ago that asked me to turn on auto-dub and I said I don’t control that, then the next video he thanked me for turning it on, and then the video after that he got mad that I turned it off

And I’m like idk what you want from me man

[grim jay]

Ah alright.

[primal parrot]

[versed mica]

LMAO

[scarlet orbit]

You did got auto dubbed to german for me whispyr i died from cringe

[golden loom]

Free engagement

[rugged basalt]

I’ll begin asking to turn it off

[wary light]

He wants you to turn it on smh

[static glacier]

Your fault was having non English viewers bozo

[strange onyx]

I speak English

[static glacier]

And skoop

[rugged basalt]

I don’t want yt to default to Spanish whispyr

[grim jay]

You mainly speak lies

[primal parrot]

no you dont

0 proof

[rugged basalt]

Oh yeah? Name every sentence

[balmy condor]

It’s either “lmao he’s gay look at his hair” from a first time chatter or it’s “thanks can you do this in Cantonese” but either way I’m getting that engagement

[golden loom]

My twitter started auto translating stuff to Swedish and its so cursed but thankfully you could turn it off

[rugged basalt]

Banger comments idk what the fuss is about
Time to learn Cantonese buddy

[primal parrot]

if ur hair aint piss yellow (rogue color) then ill b disappointed

[grim jay]

You could do some videos in french if you wanna get rid of the cantonese thing and double down on the first one

[primal parrot]

nsync timberlake type shit

[grim jay]

[rugged basalt]

There was a tweet that grok auto translated and it’s way better in english

[balmy condor]

This is a banger too

Two videos

Comments within 24 hours

[primal parrot]

[azure carbon]

Lol my YouTube switched to Korean on its own for awhile after I watched to much lck & osl one time.

[grim jay]

The first one is kinda ironic

[static glacier]

Smh, now it’s about the copacetic attitude lmao

[grim jay]

Since everyone is always crying on other discords

[static glacier]

I like blaming you for not sandbagging, much funnier

[rugged basalt]

I’m not embedding this https://x.com/furmerly/status/2041944798739718292

[balmy condor]

Im the most fence-sitter content creator apparently

People be pissed when I’m happy

They be pissed when I’m mad

[golden loom]

Moist critical of world of warcraft

[balmy condor]

They’re just pissed I feel emotions

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/hateus-theinterview-gif-27565347

[primal parrot]

look u gotta become an npc like them

stop feeling

download opinions online

[balmy condor]

But I’m the opinion that gets downloaded

Who downloads the opinion downloader

[primal parrot]

u gotta get in touch with the overlords for that one

[rugged basalt]

Downloaded and downvoted alike

[azure carbon]

I'm pissed that you're pissed that they're pissed. It's a self fulfilling cycle.

[balmy condor]

We live in hell

[balmy condor]

Reddit also wildly swings on me

[rugged basalt]

I go to reddit to laugh at the posts

[balmy condor]

I made a big fuss when I released a video saying restealths were fake news

[rugged basalt]

But I also do that on X the everything app

[balmy condor]

And they HAAAAATED me

[rugged basalt]

There was a guy begging for arcane mage buffs which I wasn’t sure was satire or real at first but then I realized it was real

[balmy condor]

And like 7 months later they all liked me again

[scarlet orbit]

Is not being hated by reddit normaly a good thing?

[red schooner]

Restealths are the reason they didn't time their +5 big push key though

[grim jay]

I think thats not a good thing

[rugged basalt]

Wow Twitter is always bitching about wanting rogue buffs so why are u getting hate instead

[grim jay]

Redditors should absolutely hate you

[balmy condor]

I generally prefer not being hated by multiple dozens of people at a time idk

[primal parrot]

reddit isn't a good place
no wonder they are crashing out over nothing

[grim jay]

Hate is always coming from below

[azure carbon]

Reddit is generally just people up voting the first thing they saw that is already upvoted.

[grim jay]

And nothing is further down than redditors

[primal parrot]

while it may have no effect on you in removing the weight you might feel on your shoulders from all these peoples nasty attitude, just know that these people are not to be respected considering how unempathetic they are to someone just doing the community a huge favor @balmy condor

[balmy condor]

I was gonna say Epstein but apparently he invented 4chan and some Reddit shit

So yeah that kinda checks out

[grim jay]

[balmy condor]

I try

[rugged basalt]

There are echo chambers everywhere for those with the eyes to see

[azure carbon]

Also loot boxes.

Dudes involved in everything bad TBH.

[primal parrot]

also at its core reddit and 4chan are the same
its just that reddit is faaar far more spread out in terms of the bad shit

[balmy condor]

Me and my friends play a game called Reagan or Epstein, where you point at any bad thing that happened in the world and then guess if it was because of Reagan or Epstein

[primal parrot]

💀

the industrial revolution and its consequences have been terrible for Assassination mains

[golden loom]

My favorite fact about america is that the current president and the president in 1993 are born the same year 🙂

[balmy condor]

Something something global capitalism is designed to separate workers from the means of production and creates inherently classist and oppressive social hierarchies that stifles minorities all while enriching the wealthy pedophilic elite something something

[crisp pine]

holy I love marx

[primal parrot]

the mutilate is the powerhouse of the kingsbane

[rugged basalt]

My relief in light of current events is that im over the age of 25

[balmy condor]

Too young to go to war in the Middle East, too old to go to war in the Middle East, born just in time to go to war in the Middle East

[rugged basalt]

Not eligible for selective outlaw system

[dire flume]

god imagine being american

oof

[rugged basalt]

I wanna visit home not go home to fight a war

[primal parrot]

born just in time to flame Whispyr over theorycrafting videos

[balmy condor]

His hair blue, and I don’t like that

[primal parrot]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAxQdOHbEAAZCnn.gif

blue like my parses?
I HATE HIM

[balmy condor]

Bold of you to assume my YouTube commenters are parsing blue

[primal parrot]

two hands with five functioning digits on each one automatically translates to blue

[balmy condor]

Okay you know, you have a point

[primal parrot]

i know

[balmy condor]

frantically checking if I have a green parse

[azure carbon]

Until you get sniped by constellations rip.

But I also don't have two functioning hands with functioning digits.

[primal parrot]

you know the rules whispyr
if you have less than blue you must chop an arm off

thems the rules bucko

[balmy condor]

You have THREE?

[golden loom]

I just need to filter by spec

[wispy iris]

is it just me or does assa feel better than sub right now in the >15 key range

[primal parrot]

assa feels better everywhere
in my opinion ofc

[balmy condor]

A lot of sheeple are waking up to this reality yes

Welcome to enlightenment my child

[rugged basalt]

No babe your parse is just right. It’s the big numbers that scare me

[wispy iris]

idk it felt like shit when everything died too fast

[primal parrot]

oh you're talking about damage

[grim jay]

Just play with bad dps

[balmy condor]

The collapse of sub when people realize it just turbo fucks aoe burst for 10 seconds and doesn’t do shit otherwise

[grim jay]

Our China guys will keep the sub train going

Dw

[primal parrot]

whenever i want an ego boost i just queue up for a pit of saron and enjoy the dopamine

[balmy condor]

Probably true

As long as streamers play sub, sub will see playrate

[grim jay]

Caverns with an aug

[primal parrot]

boner

[sharp viper]

okay but what if reagan caused epstein to get where he was?

[azure carbon]

I mean all 3 rogue specs don't really do anything of note this patch feels like.

So we should probably nerf blade flurry.

[balmy condor]

You rang?

[wispy iris]

it’s not even just that assa’s prio is also quite good compared to the sub pad

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/god-slap-slap-of-god-nicolas-cage-slap-gif-1927807492062256907

[balmy condor]

Some of the best prio in the game

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-very-triggering-for-me-basketball-wives-los-angeles-it's-triggering-to-me-i-get-triggered-by-it-basketball-wives-gif-16147317589644173777

[dire flume]

will deathstalker ever be viable in m+

[balmy condor]

True

[dire flume]

so bored of fatebound on outlaw AND assa

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s viable

It’s just worse

And you kinda fuck yourself over in most situations

[dire flume]

does it have any benefits over fatebound

at all

[balmy condor]

Cause the funnel from singular is entirely overkill

But like

[primal parrot]

worst thing about deathstalker is that you literally feel the difference between it and fatebound

[azure carbon]

Although sub does one thing well - solves threat for bears. 👀

[wispy iris]

but at the same time it’s like gearing for both specs cuz of raid and keys is kinda aids

[balmy condor]

It does 20% more prio or something insane

[grim jay]

Just mute the coin sound and dont play outlaw

[brave gyro]

I'm already not the favourite child IRL, why did I pick Rogue all those years ago to live the same life

[earnest imp]

I dont think there is even much situations where you need the funnel this season

as much as in tww s3

[sharp viper]

thats why you play alts

[dire flume]

this makes my brain happy

i have fallen in love with prio dmage this season

[balmy condor]

You always need funnel, you just don’t need it to the extent deathstalker provides

[dire flume]

what is it in ds that provides funnel?

[balmy condor]

Singular focus

[primal parrot]

you could make a case for idk
maisara, skyreach deathstalker maybe?

[earnest imp]

in any bigger pulls (depending on comp ofc) feels like the big guy gets fucked reasonably fast anyways

[grim jay]

No

No case for deathstalker on any dungeon

[wispy iris]

in 15s the prio mob dies in 1 dm before most other mobs with fatebound

[grim jay]

15s are low

[sharp viper]

our raid leaders trying to substitute players last minute before chimy prog:

• should we get our rogue in for atrophic poison?
• ehhhh I already invited the second warlock
• okay

[wispy iris]

well i’m under geared

[sharp viper]

HIGHLY VALUED UTILITY

[balmy condor]

Yeh imagine it dies another 2-3 seconds faster

[primal parrot]

prio target needs to die fast but not too fast

[balmy condor]

To be fair, kidney is big on intermissions

[fallen charm]

I wish we had less funnel, in 10-12 keys my KB target just explodes if it's not pit of saron

[sharp viper]

meanwhile double DK on every single fight cause that class "doesn't have a raid buff hurr durrr"

[grim jay]

Just be like me, have a dk alt and an aug

[earnest imp]

idk, maybe it will be more visible in 17-18 range keys, but rn shit just explodes

[primal parrot]

this is a good thing

[balmy condor]

Yeah grip isn’t a raid buff, it’s a raid requirement

[primal parrot]

deathmark target going 100 to 0 fast?
well done you did your job right!

[grim jay]

They did say they want grip to be more useful tho

Even if they went over the top

[fallen charm]

Say that when you lose 5 seconds of DM+KB

[sharp viper]

yeah but other classes have stuns and shit as well so why bother with a rogue

[primal parrot]

been there done that

rather use it and lose it than hold it

[warped moon]

daggies 🙂

[brave gyro]

you dont need warlocks, overrated nepo babies.
My first Chim Mythic kill (in pug btw) was with 0 locks and 2 rogues with mind-numbing poison

[golden loom]

Kidney shot is so good on chimeras yeah

[sharp viper]

quote from our tank "what does a rogue even do on an add fight?"

[golden loom]

fat 8 second stun

[wispy iris]

would you send kb on a rando trash mob so it doesn’t desync and cost you a use or 2 for a key

[sharp viper]

12 with oppressing even

[warped moon]

aoe kidney shot 🙂

[fallen charm]

I did it once on a target dummy in maisara with a slow ass tank

[rugged basalt]

I miss being able to spam cheap shot…

[primal parrot]

yeah usually u would do that
unless ur about to pull a big mob or boss in like 30 seconds

[brave gyro]

would be fun that we didn't lose dps every time we cc or use defensive

[warped moon]

ikr

rly taking one for the team when we press that button

[brave gyro]

shadowstep kick - i carried pugs with that neat gaming combo

[warped moon]

then my kidney is 3 sec bc someone used a 1 sec stun on the mob already or something 🥹

yay

[sharp viper]

SHOCKWAVE HURR

[wispy iris]

on chimeras though having a dk and a lock on each side makes the adds pretty irrelevant

[primal parrot]

kill all monks
kill all demon hunters
kill all warriors

we HATE aoe stuns

[dire flume]

kill all but 1 monk and 1 warrior

i want my bshout and mystic touch ty

[brave gyro]

every time i do Skyreach last boss:
"let me kidney add first, 8s stun", proceed to constantly throw 3-5 sec stuns asap

[warped moon]

i feel like if that happens just gimme cdr/combos back? like that feels fair to me idk

oh ur kidney is 20% as long as it should be or whatever, heres 80% of ur cd/combos back

idk

[dire flume]

i dont trust blizzard to be able to code that without fucking literally everything else up

[warped moon]

haha yeah!

[brave gyro]

and combo point refund and a dmg boost called "apology letter"

[rugged basalt]

I feel more confident doing keys this week for some reason

I will try to get resil 12 this week

[warped moon]

getting yelled at in a pug bc i "didnt kidney" but my max kidney was 1 second or whatever 🥲

[rugged basalt]

I haven’t been bullied about my CC util this season YET, but i used to receive that so often last expa

[primal parrot]

really
people just seem to forget rogues have kidney nowadays in my experience

[wispy iris]

that is true

[brave gyro]

its neat nobody blames us for Shrouds anymore, because its useless

[wispy iris]

some pugs get very impressed for a singular 8s kidney

it’s like their first time seeing it

[rugged basalt]

You get people ccing the add? If the bird grabs me I see both dps still attacking just the boss usually

[fallen charm]

Just use a 1 cp kidney and blame the dr

[rugged basalt]

[warped moon]

how long is the dr anyway?

[brave gyro]

you should ask the doctor that

[primal parrot]

human invents fire ahh phenomenon

discovers*

[untold mortar]

hey guys new to sin, in opener do i slow my rotation down if i got my envenoms on 80 so the apex can trigger or just fuck it and slam

[rugged basalt]

No need to slow

[fallen charm]

No, just keep blasting

[dire flume]

If you hit 80 stacks on the apex, AND WILL NOT OVERCAP BY DROPPING ENVENOM OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER, you would drop envenom

[rugged basalt]

Keep blasting, usually it drops when I renew rupture

[wispy iris]

i just mald at the fact that it only shows on cdm half the time

[rugged basalt]

Ymmv

[untold mortar]

yea that what i felt like, wasnt sure in opener wiht lust etc

[dire flume]

addons once again winning blizzards war on addons

[fallen charm]

With or without lust you probably will DM on pull and have a lot of energy anyways

[untold mortar]

aight

ty

[wispy iris]

is there an addon that fixes that

[dire flume]

not yet

but blizzard should just make it work at base

[fallen charm]

Just like drugs winning the war on drugs every year

[dire flume]

*that i know of

[untold mortar]

and first vanish after emp garrote expires or delay till next DM?

[rugged basalt]

There’s jank workarounds with arcui

[fallen charm]

Is the snapshot imp garrote still bugged?

[rugged basalt]

No

You can vanish whenever now but I still do it around dm window

I save it for cheap shot sometimes though bc I panic easy

[untold mortar]

understandable

ty all for answeríng

[trim cairn]

Its because they chose to have the same name for both the energy regen buff and the pre-buff stacks I believe

If you have the energy regen buff up while you start building up new stacks, it doesnt check to see if you have the stacks again after the regen buff expires

[dire flume]

usually though, at least with addons before, it wouldn't just go by name it would go specifically by spell or buff id

but ig blizzards cdm doesnt do that

[trim cairn]

Yeah its way shittier now 😛

[fallen charm]

It only shows again if you lose both buffs

[analog hedge]

my fellow sins

has any of you beaten null on ?? yet? 🥹

if yes what do you set valeera on?

heal tank?

[rugged basalt]

In a party yes, solo no

[analog hedge]

for solo yeah

[dire flume]

if i were to try again on rogue id set her as healer

[analog hedge]

i want the mount

[dire flume]

but i gave up after 20 minutes of trying the first week and just waited until my bear was geared so i could breeze it

[rugged basalt]

I think healer valeera and liberal use of tricks is necessary but I’m not trying that yet lol

[analog hedge]

im 270 and null still took half of my health each hit, im wondering if its even possible

🥹

but healer huh

[rugged basalt]

Easier with other classes I reckon

[analog hedge]

ill try again ig

[dire flume]

first week he was hitting my outlaw for like 80%

tank valeera was just dying too much lmao

[analog hedge]

as a sin enjoyer i dont have alts sadly

[dire flume]

so instead id tank the hits and pray she'd heal me

[analog hedge]

and i refuse to clear with anything other than sins 🥹

[dire flume]

honestly just level and gear something a little bit either a healer or tank and then do it

[analog hedge]

aight

[dire flume]

that would be easier than trying to do it as rogue

and less time consuming

[rugged basalt]

I haven’t levelled anything else but I just might wake up my dk

[viscid spear]

Indie company, please understand

[dire flume]

im sure its doable as rogue

but we arent a pet class, a tank class or a healer class so

its gonna be a lot harder

[analog hedge]

what are we...?

🥹

[dire flume]

floor pov class

[analog hedge]

😭

[analog hedge]

????

💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

[rugged basalt]

Like yeah I technically can clear it with rogue

[analog hedge]

IM CRYING AHAHAHAHAHA

[dire flume]

mood

[hearty seal]

it is legit free rn as long as you have like 260+ ilvl

[analog hedge]

what do u set valeera to and her curio?

im 260++

about to attempt rn

[hearty seal]

level 40 valeera healer, defensive stuff, star veil or smth like that

[analog hedge]

i had her on 48 even

[hearty seal]

the one that shields you when you hit low HP every minute

[analog hedge]

uuuh wait lemme go on his delve

rq

[bleak sedge]

Is there someone that can take a look at my crown hc log? Im aware it was played quite badly but not so bad that its a 36

[rugged basalt]

Im bad at reading logs share it anyway

[trim cairn]

Depends on if you have the bug or not idk

[analog hedge]

as for the curio 1s

[hearty seal]

what bug

[analog hedge]

i have everything on 4/4 lemme go there rq

[rugged basalt]

Luccsacc u have blinkys collar

[trim cairn]

On my mage ?? Nullaeus autos for 80k damage but 160k vs my rogue

[bleak sedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QP9yF1kJXWTtVbZ7?fight=41&type=damage-done&source=5
Im aware that i probably shouldve held the one DM+KB for phase 3

[hearty seal]

yes he hits for like 120k+ every tiime, that's how it is

[analog hedge]

i have the icc dog medal too ❤️

[rugged basalt]

I got it too but not the dog medal :(

[trim cairn]

Well on the mage you can see him auto, you see your health bar drop by ~50% before it pops up to 75% instantly without taking any heals and the combat logs show 80k damage only

[hearty seal]

that's how blizz fucked up scaling works since forever

it's been that way in TWW too

[trim cairn]

Seemed bugged to me idk because my mage could just face tank Nullaeus while Valeera outhealed him

[analog hedge]

@hearty seal so like this?

[hearty seal]

mandate is useless on this fight, use voidspire

[analog hedge]

ok

aight

see yall in a few min

🫡

[hearty seal]

yes that's how it works
you just pick up hearts and keep doing damage

[little condor]

does anybody have a plater profile, that shows me bleed duration next to the name of the mob?

[analog hedge]

?? and ? has the same mechanic right?

[hearty seal]

p much I think

kick one thing that can be kicked

[analog hedge]

aight

[hearty seal]

kill adds quick

don't stand in bad

it's v basic

[rugged basalt]

RIP I can’t read logs properly on phone

[trim cairn]

Wasn't that simple when he straight up kills you in 2 hits haha, Valeera didnt drop enough orbs to keep me up when I did it 😛

I had to tricks valeera, let her die, kite boss until he cast the dot while I ress her and pray I dont get tapped

[hearty seal]

it's legit a matter of ilvl
I had maybe 360k HP when I killed him

came close to dying a couple times but it wasn't like, something you could do anything about
just pop a pot or eluv feint

[analog hedge]

OH MY GOD

ITS 12% left

i kicked the mages instead of him

okay

omg

[bleak sedge]

!addons

that wasnt it lol

[trim cairn]

Huh, the sudden demise build is simming higher in dungeon slice for me

[dire flume]

sudden demise tends to do more overall for me but thats in 10-12 key range and the damage is kinda wasted

[trim cairn]

It doesnt seem consistent in activating either?

[strange onyx]

Sudden demise?

[shut sand]

So for assa, if I have 3 radiance crafted items, and I cant use arcano weave lining twice, what other embellish is good?

[main isle]

pretty sure you cant use 3 embellish

[trim cairn]

Yeah

[shut sand]

u cant?

[primal parrot]

why is ur ilvl bigger than mine @ebon garden

what the FUCK

i meant to tag @balmy condor but now i get trolled like this?????

[dire flume]

l bozo

[warm vortex]

It's not just his ilevel that's bigger btw

[primal parrot]

[strange onyx]

What is it?

[ebon garden]

wow so mean

also L ilvl

i havent even lvled my rogue

i cant remember if i gave myself that name

[primal parrot]

whispyr is a whopping 4 ilvl higher

bigger*

[spice surge]

Only 2 embellishments overall

[shut sand]

can I remove embellish on an item?

[spice surge]

But you can have however many crafted items you want equipped, as long as they don't have more than 2 embellishments

[trim cairn]

A talent

[spice surge]

Yes

[ebon garden]

yes, you need to buy the item that gives +1 sparkle and recraft it with that

there should be a vendor around the crafting order place that sells it btw

[dire flume]

just makes your nelf do frontflips

was better when it was on a ring last season

or necklce or whatever it was

[strange onyx]

Raichu what boss you currently progging?

[ebon garden]

I heard raichu is struggling getting through the elite 4

[dire flume]

shouldve stayed a pikachu and put on a light ball smh

[shut sand]

oh its lucky keychain

u cnat get it from vendors naymore

but thanks thats what needed

I*

I wonder if "sparkle" actualyl does anything

[dire flume]

yeah its the same as +1 luck

if your race has a "lucky" jump it will always do that one

[abstract thunder]

what's the comand for macros ?

[analog hedge]

im actually gonna go insane

there is no mech left

i just dont have hp to sustain the fight

[abstract thunder]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[analog hedge]

DIEE NULL

thank you big man @hearty seal

ngl u need the star to align for this fight

if valeera didnt gives u the heart thingy when u need it ure cooked

[little condor]

how do you play the opener in m+`ß

[hearty seal]

gz mate

[kindred imp]

Onn Mythic Vorasius is it normal to have some parry and misses? I dont see other melee classes having these misses or even parry but in my logs I see them :? Even no.1 rogue on parses has shit ton of misses in melee attacks. I had parry on envenoms.

looking at peepopee, no 1 parse log in logs on this boss. How the f. does he have 16% missed attacks on melee? :? Im so confused lol

[dire flume]

ayy good shit

[normal mist]

If the boss is facing you, you always have a chance to parry

And be glad KB is now removed from the list of parryable abilities

[kindred imp]

I get that, but its....large. Also what about misses? thats...substantial

[normal mist]

I've no idea

[kindred imp]

ye weird. I did find that its consistent across rogues and enh. shamans for example. But any warrior does not have any miss. :/ makes no sense

[bleak sedge]

is there still no fix for apex talent tracking?

[strange onyx]

There is

[bleak sedge]

https://tenor.com/bIVF4.gif

[strange onyx]

none

Sorry drove through a tunnel

[bleak sedge]

I want my weakauras back

[strange onyx]

They are back

Meekauras we use up in the slave mines

[amber brook]

!UI

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[shut sand]

does it affect dmg?

or surviving shit

[dire flume]

no

[night iris]

Is there an addon that makes the default nameplates just better

[rugged basalt]

Sparkle just makes you have guaranteed special jump

Better in what way exactly

[spice surge]

Depends on what issue you're having with the default ones. But in general everything sucks now

[warm vortex]

Slyreach is deadass sinking my rating

Need to get that thang

[shy axle]

how do you find survivability as assa in high keys right now?

[solid hemlock]

define high keys

[shy axle]

15/16+

the ones he is doing

[night iris]

Basically I don't like how most of the addon nameplates look, but I would like if casting enemies are shown on front, and show garote rupture better than default frames

[solid hemlock]

decent, we are not dks but we are also not mages

[rugged basalt]

You could work jundies’ platynator profile backwards to be simpler for your tastes

Building down than up I guess

[civic trellis]

does this count as an embellish?
sounds giga BiS to flip 100% of the time

[rugged basalt]

Idk haven’t tried

[warm vortex]

I'm not playing assassination

I literally just chat here for vibes

[shy axle]

[brave gyro]

are you sure it was boss and not adds?

[warm vortex]

For ref i'm survival

And me and the tank were the only two that didn't die

[heady drum]

any thoughts on getting sudden demise somehow for lower keys?

like spamming 8-10s just grabbing loot

[brave gyro]

every rogue is a survivor tbf

[warm vortex]

I'm pretty sure the guide says it could

Lemmie recheckj

Ye

[warm vortex]

Also if i had to guess i'd assume it's fine

[frosty cedar]

You can do sudden demise if you want, it's funny in algethar

[warm vortex]

If your healer is compitent you can probably surive quite a lot just with feint

I'd assume running DS is tankier and would probably be a nice boost alongside the funnel

[dire flume]

there is literally a sudden demise talent build on wowhead

ive been running it

fun for lower keys

[solid hemlock]

this, if u die in 16s its not bc ur class is squishy - its bc healer has no hands - u have to press ur stuff tho

[night iris]

AoE is missing a button or some proc for me

[solid hemlock]

in 18s if u dont press feint as assa on aoe u get onetapped

[static glacier]

Ngl in my own testing I don’t even think it’s worth in 8-10s

[solid hemlock]

but thats normal, thats why we have feint xd

[heady drum]

appreciate yall thanks

[modern viper]

Why is it better to cast ct over fok even if adds die almost instantly? Doesn’t ct cost tons of energy and i wont benefit from few sec bleed on mobs?

[static glacier]

It does more damage xd

I’m not even joking, it’s why I tilted when they buffed its dmg instead of buffing spatter

Further

[modern viper]

So its like more pad dmg?

[storm forum]

You only needs like 2 or 3 seconds of DoTs for the extra energy cost of CT to be worth

[static glacier]

No, it’s like more damage in general if energy isn’t a concern

• spreading garotte goes crazy

[solid hemlock]

ct doesnt do more dmg than fok - its the few globals of bleeds that make it worth

[static glacier]

This would depend on hero trees

I’ve found consistently per cast it does on logs, that might’ve skewed by it being used at the start of pulls though

[warm vortex]

Eh

It depends

Acc nvm

you just answered what i was gonna say

didn't see the last part of that

[night iris]

Is it higher with 4pc?

[warm vortex]

Also

Crimson costs a fucking life's worth of energy to press

compared to FoK

[dire flume]

can crimson apply weapon poisons

[static glacier]

Yeah, follow the rule for fok when stuff has bleeds, but if the pack is giga random trash mobs you just ct

[storm forum]

I think it applies weapon poisons at normal rate

[trim cairn]

Idk bout that, FoK mentions it specifically while CT doesnt?

[dire flume]

so not like fok guranteed with crits

negligible im sure but

[spice surge]

It's strange that fok mentions it

[unreal hazel]

Hey everyone, been picking up my rogue that i used to play back in WoD. Is assassination looking to be as viable as sub in various pve content?

[spice surge]

All attacks can apply poisons

[static glacier]

Ct can apply poisons but it won’t apply as many as fok with the talent

[native heron]

How assassination feeling after the buff?

[static glacier]

The exact same

Litterally

[shell plaza]

feels better imo

[static glacier]

Idk about you but I can’t say I noticed the number buffs too much since nothing changed with gameplay

[rugged basalt]

Feelsbetterman

[static glacier]

And shit like pull size, mob grouping are noise for judging dps numbers and buffs

[rugged basalt]

(It’s rly just been the same old for me but the only difference I noticed was CT fix and impgar snapshot fix)

[static glacier]

What was fixed about ct?

[rugged basalt]

I think that was a visual fix from 2 patches ago related to how it was spreading bleeds but I’m not 100

[native heron]

So it still doesn’t measure up to sub I’m assuming ?

[rugged basalt]

Sorry it was the pinned on 03 apr

[static glacier]

Depends what you value / what keys you’re doing and your comp

[coral ibex]

YUP DETAILS BAR IS WAY SMALLER

SUB DETAILS BAR BIG

[rugged basalt]

What’s your metric

What are you measuring exactly

[solid hemlock]

i think assa had higher potential for keys even before the buffs (swapped from sub to assa)

[warm vortex]

Hunter details bar bigger

[static glacier]

I think there’s an argument that sin was better than sub for keys before the buffs even

I suspect more people will say sin is better than sub

Sub has divine storm syndrome

[frosty cedar]

Sin is giga op real

[solid hemlock]

i really like sub, its tankier for high keys and better ST - also crazy burst but its simply just pad

[frosty cedar]

Sub is for noobs

[storm forum]

In raid, the more gear we get the faster add sets dies, the worse assa looks on the meters

[rugged basalt]

Sub very cool in “lower” keys?

[solid hemlock]

dmg profile matters

[rugged basalt]

If purely damage meter pre-boss is what we’re measuring kekw

[coral ibex]

yea sub is great in 10s if you have gear

bc otherwise assa is literally unplayable

[native heron]

Great response ty!

[solid hemlock]

sub is the king of low keys imo

[rugged basalt]

If the pug group lets me get to execute range I guess I could show that I’m okay

[static glacier]

I think the issue with sub vs sin is I’m fairly sure sub just loses on giga mass aoe

And that’s how the pulls are going to be in higher keys

Which begs the question, will there even be space for rogue when shit like unholy exists

[solid hemlock]

in high keys for sure - assa can sustain dps, sub will burst way higher but end of pull dps is lower & sub will just pad smallies

[coral ibex]

pit 10 and seat 10's

[native heron]

ty for the response!

[solid hemlock]

assa + aug = good

[static glacier]

Idk about bursting way higher even, I would say it bursts faster

[coral ibex]

do NOT check the breakdown

[rugged basalt]

Can you show better parse examples sorry please disregard

[dire flume]

your resto shaman is so consistent holy

[coral ibex]

yea he's the goat he also fucking hates resto sham lol

we need another blue guy so he can play something else

[solid hemlock]

correct, ur more specific than i was

[static glacier]

Sin’s biggest issue for overall is that shit dies before you actually get your damage out from bleeds being spread and then having some time to tick + kingsbane n Dm target dying or not being stacked / channel puzzlebox and finally actually getting a good envenom chain going

Sub meanwhile dumps sectec in like 2 globals and then it’s bp spam, no delayed value

[solid hemlock]

this will be no issue at all in higher keys - meanwhile sub sends his dances into oblivious sustained dmg

while assa just has all his dmg rolling, even dipping into execute

sub is kinda capped at 18s it feels like, especially bc ur dmg doesnt make the key faster

[static glacier]

It will remain on some higher keys like MT that have a ton of non elite trash mobs that others snipe

Thing is it’s not even an issue, overall contrary to what I may have joked isn’t a measure of your self worth

Unless you’re actually on some 0st pad spec like sin was last expac, then if you lost overall it’s giga shame

[dire flume]

what would be the 0st pad spec this season

is there even one

[solid hemlock]

prob arms

[static glacier]

It can do if you’ve got unethical players who will continue playing for overall instead of trying to put out prio dmg once the pull clearly looks like it will have 1-3 big guys left

[amber brook]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok/Generator Conditions in Midnight
Always finish on 5+ combo points, or go to maximum with Darkest Night Envenom

• Crimson Tempest -> until all targets have bleeds
• Fan of Knives -> 2+ targets, or 3+ if talented into blindside
• Mutilate/Ambush otherwise

[static glacier]

Since then you take away their aoe and they’re forced to stop padding

[static glacier]

Arms would be my best guess

W/e hero tree demolish is on

[dire flume]

colossus

[static glacier]

That shit that fires 4 cleaves is absolutely nuclear

[dire flume]

rip slayer

[solid hemlock]

old sub could lose some overall to prio, new nimble flurry doesnt allow it

i hate those NF changes for sub

[static glacier]

You still can, danse directly incentivises throwing in some st spells for prio

Also good fucking riddance, giving sub no weaknesses just fucked up the non sub specs on this class

[solid hemlock]

sub does tank dmg on 2-3 target fights

[static glacier]

As it fucking should

Do you not understand how fucked it is when a “burstier” spec does good at all target counts?

Like there wasn’t a good reason to bring outlaw, but if sub continued to do competitive 2-3t after outlaw lost precise cuts it would litterally be pissing on outlaw’s grave, dancing over it then planting a tree ontop

[solid hemlock]

im not saying it should do more dmg than law or sin

the spec is just not functional

at that target count

[static glacier]

That’s the issue, it doesn’t have to, if it’s even close it just crowds the others out

Granted both outlaw and sub are dogshit at low target counts now

[solid hemlock]

outlaw is no where near as shit as sub on low targets what

[static glacier]

Are you drunk

Or have you not played outlaw this expac

I said it before, precise cuts is GONE

Outlaw’s aoe on anything below 4 is horrific now

[solid hemlock]

it still does more than sub xd

[static glacier]

Like dogshit

[solid hemlock]

ik

[lapis lantern]

Is there are „comfort“ haste value for sin rogue in m+ ?
Simcraft is telling me to crit to the abyss - but 300 haste plays like dog ass in keys

[solid hemlock]

but it isnt tnak dmg

[lapis lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/waiting-gif-4677175942198662182

[dire flume]

hard to measure, its gonna be different for everyone on what "feels" good so id just fuck around and find out

[static glacier]

I Think you’ll find they’re both dogshit, check paladins

[lapis lantern]

All righty 🫡

[static glacier]

I want to preface the player quality on outlaw is much higher

[solid hemlock]

i've checked them from bench dw

[static glacier]

Since no non diehard outlaw would be allowed on that boss and most rogues default to sub

Also I’m looking at hc numbers

Myth has far too few logs public rn

[solid hemlock]

as they should

[static glacier]

Back to work

Have fun and remember that Blizz nerfed flurry to buff outlaw st

[kindred imp]

ye boss:

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/946ZTdL1ChxgFWG8?fight=63&type=damage-done&source=8&ability=1

[wild mesa]

I have this, should I put it as a crit or a master

that's my stats

[coral ibex]

sim it

[shrewd night]

👀

[kindred imp]

isnt it diminishing returns on crit after 1380? so if its above that go mastery? if not go crit? and/or sim

[shrewd night]

Sim is the only correct answer

[native heron]

So im looking into going sin. the opener doesn't mention spreading bleeds just says to garrote/rupture. im assuming we only do this to our main target and crimson tempest to spread?

[frosty cedar]

Correct

[severe meadow]

King..

We wiped on Vor and I I was on track for a 100 parse

[native heron]

so burst isn't really high with sin is it? 261 bursting to like 160-180

on dummies

[frosty cedar]

Unlucky brother

[safe barn]

where are the sims?

is it the same as !fuu?

[rugged basalt]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rugged basalt]

Idk i just did that to see

[spice spire]

Skill issue - just live bbgirl

[glass viper]

Congrats you made the right choice

Sin (and previously Combat) are the defacto Rogue specs

Sub is a pvp spec. If you think otherwise then you've probably been playing the game less than 14 years.

Which means you are still learning. Like Bambi first trying to walk

Dw there's still time

[runic hinge]

Keys this weekend? Okay see you there xoxo

[spice spire]

Bro my rogue has done one. Holding quakewar hostage until rogue vault done

[ionic reef]

hi guys, im currently analyzing logs from one of our assa rogue in my guild, what should i look for that is important appart from garrote and rupture uptime

[runic hinge]

I haven’t done a thing this week work days are impossible it feels like

[spice spire]

Sequencing, resource waste, envenom uptime, and CD casts being appropriate

[runic hinge]

#assassination message

Check that

[ionic reef]

thanks

[topaz crow]

Cast sequence is pretty huge and combo point waste/generation

[spice spire]

Like there’s more to it sure, but if you’re helping your rogue, I’m assuming that alone with help fix some basic issues

[ionic reef]

what is a decent envenom uptime? like 90+?

[static glacier]

Would recommend sending them here with the log in a log review thread

I would review the log but at work, there’s others who can do it too

So long as they keep bleeds up, sequence the opener properly and don’t overcap energy or cp sin can’t go that wrong

[spice spire]

Depends on the fight but in general yeah

[earnest imp]

got the alnseeker trinket with speed from the weekly dungeon quest, never complaining again about my luck

[spice spire]

W

[ionic reef]

ok so 88 on vorasius mythic is kinda ok-ish i assume (got targeted by adds only once)

[static glacier]

That’s good

Not okay-ish, good

[ionic reef]

ok

[spice spire]

Yeah that’s better than 88% of the vorasius sin logs

[static glacier]

Without knowing their gear / killtimes I would take an 88 as a solid log

[ionic reef]

oh, i meant envenom uptime, not parses

[static glacier]

If you’re HoF on crown or beyond and everyone got 99s and it’s a giga quick kill maybe it’s an underperformance, but I suspect that isn’t the case

[spice spire]

Oh lol

[static glacier]

Oh lmao

[spice spire]

88 isn’t bad but could be slightly improved

[static glacier]

Yeah that’s fine, better than checking env uptime is check resource overflow

[spice spire]

It is okay-ish you’re correct

But also mo on it today

Zamn

[safe barn]

ok, just making sure of something. it is expected to play assa slower?

instead of blasting mut+envenom?

[static glacier]

Not necessarily you can ignore env duration if you want

And just chain

[spice spire]

I’m not really having that experience ngl

[safe barn]

im starving a lot of energy

[sacred oyster]

it gets better if you say sin instead of assa, secret keyword activates better class behavior.

[static glacier]

I like to pool but I don’t think a notable gain was found

[safe barn]

the secret word is ass actually

[static glacier]

There’s gonna be downtime, it’s unavoidable

[sacred oyster]

thats for the femboys, men say sin

[rugged basalt]

I’m an ass rogue in several ways.

[spice spire]

Need anyone who says ass rogue biblically ig

[spice spire]

[static glacier]

😭 yall summoned quake

[rugged basalt]

[dire flume]

they call him the boyhole buccaneer

[rugged basalt]

Hej

[chilly sail]

[static glacier]

I swear if I ever do anything gay irl quake will just show up and make some wild comment then vanish

[rugged basalt]

Only irl though?

[static glacier]

[spice spire]

Mf I’ve been here there just happened to be some wild behavior and I had to get in that

[rugged basalt]

[spice spire]

😈

[static glacier]

Back to work

[rugged basalt]

Nah hold on

[spice spire]

Glhf king

[rugged basalt]

Take care

[grim jay]

On that note

I recently get really angry with people saying sin needs to get changes because they dont like the energy management

Maybe I need a break

[spice spire]

You need to touch grass bbgirl

[grim jay]

I'd prefer touching you big dawg

[spice spire]

What random #246 says can’t bother you

[rugged basalt]

Grasslighting zac

[spice spire]

I’m gonna split you open like a coconut I s2g

[rugged basalt]

May I watch it feels rude not to ask

[spice spire]

Asslighting Zac

[spice spire]

If you’re into that sure king

[grim jay]

[rugged basalt]

[split mantle]

This thing is currently simming higher than any of my 3/6 and 4/6 hero trinkets. Is the sim possibly including effects from only being in the Voidstorm??

[golden loom]

the effects work in dungeons/raids

[coral ibex]

no its just good

[golden loom]

its a very good trinket

pretty much only Gaze of the alnseer and Plume are hero track trinkets that will beat it as a passive slot

[split mantle]

Dang. I suppose the proc rate must be rather high compared to a lot of the other passives then.

[coral ibex]

i got a plume from my weekly box

[grim jay]

Gotta defend the brotherhood.
Nah its just more like a reminder of how people think nowadays. "I personally dont like it, but quite some other people do, so I will just play the other thing I like." seems to be such a far off thought

[golden loom]

I got gaze

[rugged basalt]

Hopefully I get gaze this week :(

[spice spire]

Is what it is and move on

[rugged basalt]

the trinket, not the eyes of people

[coral ibex]

i got a heroic gaze from raid so im just praying for myth vaults now

[rugged basalt]

I was greedy and didn’t take it from two gvs in a row

[grim jay]

I'd like myself some gayz

[rugged basalt]

Craving five guys, text unrelated

[grim jay]

Wait

[split mantle]

I mean I'm right here. A genuine live homosexual.

[spice spire]

At once?

[rugged basalt]

maybe even a monster

[grim jay]

We have quite some around.

[spice spire]

Like the energy drink?

[grim jay]

A white monster?

[rugged basalt]

Depends, which one tastes the best?

[split mantle]

I mean it's the backstab class. Makes sense.

[grim jay]

Its not only about the taste

How it feels matters aswell

[rugged basalt]

You never stop after the first one, as well

[grim jay]

I had none today so far

Sad day

[rugged basalt]

Me neither

Maybe beer instead

[grim jay]

I had my wish version today

Sodastream Rockstar Energy Sirup

[solid knoll]

while waiting/"pooling" for implacable better to refresh bleeds or press extra builders or to just sit afk?

[coral ibex]

only refresh bleeds in pandemic

[runic hinge]

Refresh if in pandemic

[coral ibex]

you should be waiting at 5+ cp

[runic hinge]

Okay I’m slow

[grim jay]

Refresh in pandemic btw

In case noone mentioned it yet

[coral ibex]

yea just reading the reports coming in, definitely want to refresh in pandemic

[solid knoll]

makes sense lol, sometimes when refreshing (in pandemic btw) i drop implacable passively, thats fine i assume

[coral ibex]

yes thats normal

[solid knoll]

cheers

[slate nest]

What is the sentiment on assa in raid? Logs show them overtaking on HC raids compared to sub no?

[grim jay]

Id imagine that will happen in mythic aswell

Didnt raid yet

[sacred oyster]

if you wanna play sin just play sin. dont worry about logs. but logs are gonna be influenced by more people playing sub and getting bigger ilvl boosts over people playing sin

[slate nest]

I wanna play the best spec tbh

[sacred oyster]

sin is #2 or #1 (if you dont count aguments specialness) in mythics atm.

[hard mason]

Never had anyone comment on it yet tbh. Even in the occatuonal chimaerus mythic pug

[rugged basalt]

Not sure what the variance would be if you were to flex between the two specialisations.

[hard mason]

If you wanna play the "best" you'll be swapping spec for each boss likely

[sacred oyster]

i assume logs are counting augments benefit to the whole group is why they are #1 ?

[drifting path]

Heavily fight dependent

[rugged basalt]

Which would be necessary if you want the “”best””

[slate nest]

I don't mind switching between the two. But some variance from sub would be nice haha

[drifting path]

Afaik all 3 specs are p equal for most things but sin and outlaw perform way better on a fight like lightblinded

I'm also a scrub tho don't take my word as gospel

[hard mason]

What ive seen Sub just want more mastery than assa and. The first boss in boidspire trink

[rugged basalt]

Guidon

[lime onyx]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hard mason]

Wish me luck gonna assa prog Lightblinded tonight lol

[rugged basalt]

M? Good luck

[hard mason]

Yeh

Assa I feel would've been real good on that fight if they werent just constantly.moving all over haha

[rugged basalt]

It’s my worst fight in at least hc raid, I have only progged first two vs

[sacred oyster]

? since when does that become a problem more for sin ,a dot based class, vs others? and you have shadowstep.

[hard mason]

More or less the dot management of 3 targets. And sticking to a target during cooldowns. VS outlaws and Subs more instant style of damage.

[coral ibex]

you dont need luck

you need god

and so do i

to KILL ME so i dont have to prog this fight

i can't recall being this repulsed by a raid fight

[vocal kraken]

!sim

[hard mason]

Lol. I dunno why I'm one of the 3 melee chosen by raidlead for dis fight haha.

[grim jay]

Council of dreams

[coral ibex]

i didnt play df

[grim jay]

God already helped you I see

[coral ibex]

the only reason i didnt play df is because i got so triggered by the original dragonriding with no upgrades or buffs that i quit during leveling in the first zone

[grim jay]

Wild but I respect it

[hard mason]

DF I mained Devoker. Never had an easier time reaching high ranks when barely anyone played the spec hehe.

[west crown]

Don’t you just press CT?

[coral ibex]

looking back it was a ridiculous thing to get mad about

[grim jay]

Im about to level my evoker

[hard mason]

I need new classes/specs to play haha. I've mained almost all of em at some point now

[calm grail]

How would you guys define this? For me even 12's stuff dies fast.

12 or lower?

[coral ibex]

i mean

[golden loom]

I would just not play it

[coral ibex]

yea

[acoustic sky]

true

[calm grail]

That's easy then.

Was wondering if I'd get more dopamine running that in 12's or lower.

When playing with friends who don't push.

[coral ibex]

i just play sub in 10's and honestly even 12's is a good idea bc few mobs survive a full dm kb

[golden loom]

its only there cause people wouldnt stop talking about sudden demise

[barren yarrow]

sin very good the higher you go

pair it with aug and its blasting

[golden loom]

just spam nexus point over and over and you get to have fun in the damage amp

[barren yarrow]

haha true

[golden loom]

hit like 380k dps on it yesterday in a 12

[calm grail]

I full busted in that boss.

Been spamming it for the blue ring..

[barren yarrow]

seat also

[fathom flax]

Guys someone on reddit is trying to tell me the main reason rogue feels bad is thistle tea being auto cast

That’s it, that’s the problem with ass rogue, fix that talent and it’s all good

[golden loom]

who even remembers that tea is a thing

[fathom flax]

I don’t even have it bound

[rugged basalt]

They want wet shivving back so badly

[crisp pine]

Honestly having to press a button when I'm low energy instead of it doing it automatically would fix me

the amount of skill expression it would bring

[harsh ravine]

sometimes it is optimal to click it !

in aoe, when you want to do a CT but you have >30 energy and <60

[crisp pine]

with ur mouse?

[harsh ravine]

with anything you wish 😼

[crisp pine]

I don't have any buttons on my bars actually

I press them in my spellbook

[harsh ravine]

modernity

midnight no addon no action bar

[torn dome]

how long does something have to be alive to make adding rupture + garrote "woth" vs just env spam? I guess looking at my logs, avg env cast is 58k dmg and avg rupture tick 12k...

[calm grail]

You see, you fix Rogue by making Sudden Demise a baseline passive.

[torn dome]

i.e. Belo'ren bird add / egg

[calm grail]

And increasing garrote damage by 100% and make it tick faster.

[rough dust]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[calm grail]

I ignore the small eggs.

[crisp pine]

actually you fix rogue by removing outlaw just for fun

[calm grail]

And bust on the boss.

[torn dome]

ye fine, but looking for general guidance on length of time a mob is alive: when to bleed > spam env vs spam env

[analog hedge]

pardon?

[calm grail]

On any boss where the adds die well before I contribute any damage, I figure my DPS is better placed on the boss.

[calm grail]

I usually ask myself "Is this going to die in the next 5 seconds"

[torn dome]

makes sense

[calm grail]

That's not the mathematically correct answer I'm certain.

But it's a feelings thing.

Like Mythic Vorasius. I only swap to the adds if I'm fixated. Otherwise I tunnel boss.

[torn dome]

yeah same

i'm sure there is some maths answer, but i think approach of "if you're dead in less than 10 secs" is kinda right

[calm grail]

I used to feel like it was selfish, but there are classes (heck even Sub) that deal the prio damage much quicker.

Your time is better spent killing the big man.

There's no way to take iron wire in m+ without dicking your dmg right?

[jolly heath]

This season you dont really need to get iron wire

And with how you spread bleed, spamming garrote might hurt your dps even more

[shut sand]

iron wire?

u mean razor wire

[hardy wing]

my dmg feels so low as assas

im spreading rup/garrote on all targets, foking, envenoming etc

but must be doing something completely wrong

[grim jay]

If its m+ and keys on like 12+ then probably ye

[earnest imp]

At around 15s it starts to feel good

[hardy wing]

Is this the opener i should do

Garrote ( fok or mut) into rup

CT then envenom = then dm and kingsbane

into ct uintill all targeted with bleeds?

fok n evenom on spam , make sure its all up

[calm grail]

Issue I have is, I only have so many crafted pieces and swapping stats around kinda sucks for gold purposes. Are the stat values close enough that I can swap between Sin/Sub in keys and not worry about stat weights?

[split mantle]

I always do DM & KB immediately after Garrote and Rupture are applied, using the KB combo points for my first envenom. Not sure if that's optimal, but that's what I'm doing.

[hardy wing]

my sub dmg seems way better than assas... asssas seems siomple enough but idk

[calm grail]

Swapping specs is easy, it's the gear min maxxing that makes me reluctant to go back and forth currently.

[hardy wing]

so you garrote into rup, do you fok or mut that first rupture? then DM/KB

[hardy dagger]

Anyone here tried Assa on Cosmo mythic?

[sacred oyster]

throw one more garrote in before the CT, after rupture, to pandemic the improved, which typically leaves you with 30s~ on both rupture and garrote when you do this order so they are in sync.

[split mantle]

You do kinda need dungeon specific knowledge a bit though, knowing which are the bulkiest target to KB. Or which target is high prio.

[sacred oyster]

ST vs MT consideration, if ST/boss, mut, else FOK.

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats often not hard to identify

[split mantle]

100%, just pointing it out since someone is asking about low damage, figured it was worth pointint out.

[hazy ether]

Hey guys, are there caps in our stats this season for mythic plus?

How much crit is too much?

[normal mist]

When Sims say so

[gritty tusk]

is there a cirt cap u want to aim on assa or should i just blast as much as i can?

[normal mist]

When sims say so

Anyone else wanna ask a question about stats where the answer is "sim it"?

[primal smelt]

Wow players and new information are mortal enemies.

[normal mist]

Wdym new

Sim it has been the answer for a few years now

[sacred oyster]

you def are not gonna have to worry about a stat cap for crit until you are in the 20% DR phase

[primal smelt]

It’s obviously new to them yeah?

Been simming since legion at least

[sacred oyster]

but if you are at 20% DR on crit you prob dont have much more to tweak lol

[normal mist]

Those are answers a sim will answer no doubt

It's been a hot minute since I've actually looked at what %s I have

Because they give me no information

[hardy wing]

Is anyone actually letting envenom drop off for energy regeneration at all?

[sacred oyster]

yes

[primal smelt]

Yep

[hardy wing]

ST or aoe situations?

[sacred oyster]

thats a silly question, its part of the class design lol.

[calm grail]

Is mythic saladbar harder than Chimaerus?

[primal smelt]

Everytime

[hardy wing]

Like how often to do that? Isn’t the caustic dmg 2 strong to not use the gcds instead of dropping it for the energy regeneration etc?

[sacred oyster]

if you are out of energy, how are you getting CP to drop an envenom?

[primal parrot]

if ur not gonna overcap energy by dropping envenom then you can drop it

[sacred oyster]

the point is to let it drop at 80, it gives you a new surge of energy, you drop 3 more envenoms.

[cyan barn]

Anyone know the last time wow analyzer was updated for assassination? It seems like most specs are lagging behind on there but it’s been a minute since I actively used it.

I miss the “for dummies” log analysis.

[sacred oyster]

if you dont let it intentionally drop, its gonna drop the next time you dont have enough energy to even cast envenom. so it happens regardless. its just if you pause for 1-2 seconds to let it drop in a controlled way you can keep the rythym flowing smoother than taking a 3-6s pause due to running out of energy and being forced to let it drop

[normal mist]

It's been a long time, idk if Shadowlands was the last time? Probably even bfa

[primal parrot]

in the end you just want as much uptime on envenom as possible, thats the goal afaik

[cyan barn]

Oof. Guess I better lock in on a good ADHD day to try to figure out wtf I’m doing then. Thanks!

[normal mist]

I mean you have the wowhead guide

[sacred oyster]

in a long fight, if you pause that 2 s to let it drop then you immediately get energy flowing sooner, your getting more overall energy gain/spent for that fight than if you let it drop due to being forced

[primal parrot]

wowhead guide good thank you whispyr

[normal mist]

Put that information in practice and then there's discord where you can be further helped

[cyan barn]

Well I match sim dps to target dummies so I understand the rotation in a controlled setting, just trying to see where I can improve in a chaotic ass semi casual guild but don’t like asking for help 😛

[crisp pine]

that's a mindset to have

[sudden grotto]

If anyone’s hitting any stat cap right now I commend them, but also think that’s impossible rn lol

[raven panther]

how much harder is assa compared to sub rogue?

[crisp pine]

I never ask for help cause I already play perfectly anyway

[raven panther]

ive been a outlaw player

[primal parrot]

just ask here there's plenty of people willing and ready to help or give advice

[crisp pine]

it's the other people who are wrong

[primal parrot]

also wtf does semi-casual mean

[raven panther]

🤣🤣🤣

[crisp pine]

semi-casual means you try rly hard but youre still bad :/

[primal parrot]

same as semi-hardcore then got it

[crisp pine]

yea

[cyan barn]

Idk AoTC+

Categorizing guilds is a joke nowadays because there’s guilds that play 9 hours a week that have less prog than 3 hour a week guilds.

[primal parrot]

ur either casual or hardcore

[crisp pine]

I don't think people know what casual genuinely means

[cyan barn]

I’m casual compared to CE but more competitive than 90% of the player base.

[primal parrot]

i think people associate casual with being bad or mediocre at the game

[sacred oyster]

eh i think semi casual is a good term to express my situation lol. i try to play hard, but my group of friends are more casual, and i appreciate the casual mindset of not having raid obligations etc. I personally could do it, but my group can not.

just the collective group is not interested in trying hard.