assassination

[bright turret]

rude

castic splatter one of the best additions to sin when it was made

[golden loom]

since chimeras is a 6:30 fight roughly you just send the vanish in the opener anyways right @frosty cedar

[warm vortex]

I think they shoudl remove any other form of aoe from assassination and make spatter 100% damage dealt
you can't even multidot anymore, make it super 1 dimensional

[shut sand]

nerf mute buff shib

[frosty cedar]

Chimeras? My current R1 log has me using vanish for the first adds but I go down first

[golden loom]

going down 2nd

[frosty cedar]

Tbf my strategy was to snapshot the last 2 seconds of puzzlebox to imp gar the adds in first set and spread

[golden loom]

so I always deathmark the boss

[frosty cedar]

You can't do that anymore

I would send CDs boss pull and check PB timer to snapshot

If your in second group I'm not certain. I would definitely experiment with holding for add sets if I were trying to parse

[golden loom]

yeah I was now just gonna vanish in the opener anyways cause otherwise I am gonna lose a cast

mainly wanna kill the boss

[frosty cedar]

Well you don't really gain much of anything for doing it in the opener now

[golden loom]

yeah but my thinking was that one half wasted vanish and and lining up the remaining 3 casts with deathmark is better than 3 casts outside of dm

cause lets say you vanish at 30 seconds

one vanish is gonna come up at 6:30 (if casting on CD)

and boss is already dead by then

[keen spruce]

Borger

[humble verge]

im just showing im benched eksde

[static glacier]

im using this bench evening to go meet a friend

what about you

[humble verge]

do more keys on alts

theres a storm outside bruh

cant do anything else

[static glacier]

respect, I still wanna grind rogue m+ 10s for loot

finished huntard off

maybe level a 3rd char after rogue is bis'd out from 10s

[humble verge]

i mean ive already done 20 keys on main

i just need to do alt keys mostly

but also need to get 266 shoulders

[static glacier]

I did like 40-50 on each, rogue is largely done, just need to convert some slots to hero / farm cata charges

ngl im super happy im free from algethar prison

rogue got box first run, hunt took like 25-30

[fallow canopy]

Paladins?

[humble verge]

yea

i was in on thursday cause we didnt have everyone that was supposed to bnethere

[fallow canopy]

Yea I'm also benched 🥀

We'll show them on reclear

[static glacier]

best of luck to all our guilds

I hopeg they down paladins this week

[humble verge]

yea by being on the bottom

[coral ibex]

i have to fight paladins

fugma

[prime anchor]

IF i wanted to fuck around and play sudden demise in lower keys what would our talent loadout look like anyone have one?

[runic hinge]

Check the leveling build on wowhead

[tranquil birch]

question on the crucible of chaotic energies trinket: I did not realize that we needed to upgrade it by doing the weekly quest and interacting with the console. It consistently sims as one of my two strongest trinket regardless. I'm wondering if the sims assume it is fully upgraded or take into account the trinkets current state. I.e. maybe the trinket isnt actually as strong as sims are telling me if i haven't been upgrading it with the console

[stuck lodge]

there is checkmarks for that in the sim

but default is assuming that you have the relevant upgrades

which are the first 3

[tranquil birch]

damn ok. I can't even find this console. Not a very intuitive system

[muted heart]

I thought that trinket only applied while in the void storm?

[tranquil birch]

I guess not. It was always simming really high for me and now its in the a tier list trinkets on wowhead

didn't realize there was stuff to do for the bonus tho

[muted heart]

Today I leared something

[fallen charm]

works on the voidstorm raid also

[faint rock]

When are the aoe buffs coming up?

[hexed ember]

are the newest Sin buffs moving it ahead of Sub?

[night delta]

It works everywhere actually I think

It's just that in the voidstorm outside content it's absurdly strong

[spice surge]

On reset, aka tuesday/wednesday

[analog swan]

@balmy condor should we touch these at all? its only in voidstorm so i imagine its irrelevant raids/dung but got a guildie doubting it cuz "why would it be there if you cant use it". Can you confirm for me?

It says fighting inside voidstorm so its obviously a no but making sure with you to give him a definitive response, thank you

[spice surge]

Its not only in voidstorm

Its in all instanced content

[analog swan]

FYI i know the first one makes the trinket stronger for the crit/leech/speed but this is another story

its in all?

the protocols

[spice surge]

Yes

[analog swan]

are in all content

ok thanks

i guess i mixed up the effect of protocol on trinket with the minion pet/camps to rest and such effects

[humble verge]

think i finally made my cdm and frames look somewhat nice

[analog swan]

rectangles

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[frosty cedar]

sub rogue

[humble verge]

yea and

[royal lantern]

he is not a dom for suure

[bronze flicker]

why cant i track my apex talent with bliz ui ? it works in beginning then just disapear

[humble verge]

not what you said last night

[fathom wind]

if in say u crafted a weapon but have had no luck getting a hero track or mythic track weapon and have a champ off do u say just craft a 2nd weapon

[idle finch]

Any UI suggestions for Implacable? So buggy

[spice surge]

Call your uncle at blizzard and tell him to fix it

Not much else to do

[fathom wind]

if i have no to other mythic track items and sitting on 120 crest just send a craft again

[hazy geyser]

for crimson tempest, do you always send it in AOE when you reapply a garrote or do you try and garrote into rupture to ct?

[storm forum]

I will often refresh rupture early in pandemic and then wait for gars to get lower before going gar -> ct spam to get imp gar value

[royal lantern]

pinging quake?

[icy acorn]

so i need to play assa for paladins
generally i just follow aoe rotation and keep bleeds up with tempest right?

[clever schooner]

How are you guys liking sin so far? haven't tried it this xpac yet.

[muted heart]

I love the new changes. Just hope the buffs are enough that are coming.

[clever schooner]

Are you doing pretty well in m+? Feeling pretty weak as outlaw right now

[royal lantern]

its assa

spec didnt really change much

[storm forum]

Sin fun. Feels good and number big sometimes.

[clever schooner]

i might give it a go then

[storm forum]

Just be aware we're not a gcd locked spec

So if you feel energy starved, try to enjoy it

[muted heart]

Overall won't keep up with the other key pumpers. If that is what you are asking.

[clever schooner]

i think rogues in general aren't keeping up with any key pumpers right now lol

[muted heart]

Sub can

[clever schooner]

yea but no one wants to play that spec

[subtle tundra]

you can as assa

[storm forum]

Idk what pumps, but I was keeping up with/beating my guildies in 13s/14s.

[tranquil birch]

sin honestly does good damage in M+ despite community perception from a bunch of dooming and shitty tier list videos \

[muted heart]

Anyone can, but a top sin parse won't keep up with top parse of arms or Demo or a few others.

As far as throughput

[clever schooner]

Not sure if it's true, but sin seems a little more forgiving than outlaw. A bit less rng

[muted heart]

Sin is fun as shit imo

[storm forum]

Idk jack about current OL but our rng feels fine. Sometimes you get fucked and you gotta 3x mut for a couple finisher in a row and gotta drop ur chain early, sometimes all ur builders crit and ur finishing every other global, but usually it's smooth

[muted heart]

If you want forgiving I'd recommend sub. It's super easy now

[clever schooner]

It's something i refuse 😂 try to stay either sin or outlaw

[muted heart]

It's the ret of rogues

[sharp bramble]

is there a way to sim weapon oils? i want to check if smugglers enchanted edge is maybe better than 32 points of secondaries

ah found it. nvm

[muted heart]

Is the most optimal to break the chain after 5?

[shut sand]

u can using the old gear compare tool

it still works even though they say it isnt reliable

but it depends on what u wanna measure if its just oils it should be fine

as long as ur no changing entire gearsets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/gear

[twilit python]

guys lura takes effectively double damage in p3 of midnight falls?!?!?!?! insane assa value?????

[shut sand]

copy over ur loadout, copy the gearsets, make 2 extra gearsets

1 with the oils u want

and the other with the other set of oils

[storm forum]

Generally, yes. But sometimes ur flooded with energy during CDs/hero/lucky streaks and you just go for a while. Sometimes you're starved from bad luck or overplaying an earlier chain and you gotta refresh DoTs so you just let it drop and it's fine. Technically early drops are more efficient cause the first env gives 20 regen and subsequent ones only give +15.

[sharp bramble]

had problems with gear compare but with quick sim and using a diffrent oil every time, i got it

[agile wedge]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[agile wedge]

how do you open a logthread again? 😄 apparently i suck and i need help

[thorn thorn]

Post log

[agile wedge]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WB4LjYwm3RQPA7nq?fight=last&type=damage-done&source=219

[keen raven]

Got some basic asa optimization questions.

Is it better to hold envenoms till last second to extend the buff?
Then is it also better to not envenom until that energy regen buff is gone?

Is it also more optimal to envenom before kingsbane?

[balmy condor]

• no
• no, the regen buff is independent of the stacks
• yes, especially in opener when you don't have slice and dice

[frosty cedar]

if echo had an assa rogue boss was giga dead, real

[balmy condor]

real

[night delta]

I mean, it's in the spec neame really

assassin, we kill people duh

[urban heart]

i'm the only one unable to track Implacable with CDM? seams bugged, and some times track and sometimes not

[frosty cedar]

he knows

[night delta]

nah that's regular

[frosty cedar]

pop a summoning stone and get backshotbot in there

[night delta]

it's just not really functional atm

[lethal wadi]

you can but its not working half of the boss fight

[elder agate]

@solar wyvern what talents using for high push, and what weapon enchants u like to use it

[normal mist]

probably the enchants that sim the best for him

[runic hinge]

https://murlok.io/character/us/malganis/charrend/pve

this is his stuff but you should use sims for your own character

[elder agate]

my meta was for him response so i would ask why

😂

[wraith knot]

I was watching Tact's guides and saw Charrend in the video I was like MY MAN

[humble verge]

whats that insane character profile addon where it becomes like a cinematic or whatever xddd

[golden loom]

idk but can it fix how my logs look?

[humble verge]

dont care

play sub lil bro

[golden loom]

I did for nexus king

was on kill ads duty

[thorn thorn]

Dont do this

And gray parsing is bad too

[frosty cedar]

just play assa and not silly sub rogue

is it not the parse but the icon that needs fixing

[golden loom]

yeah I am playing assa on it every time after that

look at the ethical gaming tho

wanted to just get it over with so fully focused on ads

[analog field]

Yeah I will do the same when we are done with chimaerus

I tried assa on chim seems good

[frosty cedar]

its pretty good on chim ngl

[analog field]

yeah felt like it, what are your kill timers?

You have 2nd intermission? I guess we shouldn't

we had boss at like 17-18 , probably missing dmg?

[frosty cedar]

you definitely want to skip second intermission

my best kill was 6:37 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8JhXGAwMPHCZparN?fight=16&type=damage-done

do you send your tank alone in the last soak before intermission?

not the intermission soak, but the second in the sequence, if that makes sense

you can just focus the boss from that point

[severe meadow]

what the fuck

is that secret phase

[frosty cedar]

hahaha wtf

[keen spruce]

Max's mouth hasn't closed yet

since that boss hit 0

[coral ibex]

time to go dark agian

[shell plaza]

any clip someone ?

[severe meadow]

I mean surely they both just log off xd

[full solstice]

replay on liquid stream rn

[severe meadow]

https://www.twitch.tv/maximum/clip/ObeseMoralRingKevinTurtle-HOkfBIvVMjhAgKZf

[shell plaza]

thx a lot ❤️

[glass viper]

1 Billion HP on new phase lmao

[frosty cedar]

looks like she took extra damage?

I think? they had like 2 dps up and she lost a few %

[analog field]

What hp% should the boss be there?

like 25 or something?

[severe meadow]

I think it's a hyper damage amp

And survive

[frosty cedar]

27% is when our tank takes it and we burn boss

[severe meadow]

but from the few seconds it looks like a real phase still

with the kyvesa lines

and dodging

[frosty cedar]

yeah I think they have to dodge the star mechanic while also only being able to stand in the light circles

[severe meadow]

like god forbid they still do memory game there

[frosty cedar]

so they are gonna have to form the circles in a way to allow that

crikey

[severe meadow]

just no info on the phase really

[frosty cedar]

absolute banger

[severe meadow]

both tanks were down

so I imagine that circle goes on tank

[analog field]

This was the one good pull

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/map6DNbALj9R1QZW?fight=35

[frosty cedar]

yeah your a little beind. ur boss is 31% at that point whereas ours was 27

you should aim to skip that intermission. but you are going to want more boss damage

idk but I would be looking to see if anyone is holding CDs on pull sothat they can pad on adds

or if they are not using it at 2m just before the first intermission

[green cypress]

I have two crafted embellished items, can I craft something without an embellishment and wear it? My bracers are killing my ilvl

[frosty cedar]

yes

I have done so myself already 🙂

[golden loom]

yeah I mean apparently they are only like 8:30 into the fight

which is very short for an endboss right?

[green cypress]

awesome! I tried looking on wowhead and raidbots but couldnt get an answer

[golden loom]

So this shit is actually gonna be a real phase and they are already 350 pulls deep

[analog field]

Yeah our DPS seems a bit low

[copper spear]

ayo

implacable cdm is still bugged wtf

[frosty cedar]

ay

joint the count to 5-ers

[copper spear]

im pondering whether i want to count or look top right

[golden loom]

I do a bit of both

[copper spear]

im mixing it up as well

gotta keep things fresh

[frosty cedar]

hah same

ive gotten good at finding it on the top right

[golden loom]

I mean its not like you lack time on assa to look around

[copper spear]

look around = stand in bad

[golden loom]

healer mechanic

[scenic salmon]

is there anything Sin has to do prekey?

[frosty cedar]

firstly

thank your team that they didn't make you stand in city like NPC

other than that nah, just poison check

[copper spear]

assa slaps in higher keys tho

[frosty cedar]

doesn't change perception

[copper spear]

idk i switched today im a tourist

[frosty cedar]

so your joining the brotherhood

welcome

[scenic salmon]

Alrighty, ty

[copper spear]

it might be time for me to get off the copium supply

and change name color to red

[sinful cradle]

do u guys use the wowhead opener ? or do i need to do anything special?

[frosty cedar]

better late than never

[frosty cedar]

garrote -> build 5+ -> rupture -> build 5+ -> envenom -> deathmark -> KB -> Envenom at 5+

thats all 👍

[shut sand]

I ambush garrote

Cuz improved ambush

[frosty cedar]

garrote is better

[normal mist]

Wowhead opener 100%

[ornate aspen]

If Implacable is at 80% do I literally just hands off keyboard to get it to trigger the energy regen?

[frosty cedar]

you dont need to hands off keyboard

[warped moon]

u dont hands off

u set urself up

[frosty cedar]

you can and should build towards your next envenom, but dont cast envenom

[warped moon]

theres a p good chance a bleed can be refreshed 🙂

[frosty cedar]

you should then wait before firing your spender. and you only do this if you would not overcap otherwise

yes you can also do this

[ornate aspen]

okay so build CP, refresh bleeds and if I have everything loaded its cool to miss 1-2 GCDs to let apex fall off?

[frosty cedar]

the reason why you still want to build up to your next envenom while waiting for it to fall is because your builders get to still benefit from the envenom + poison application and the damage buff from inspiring

yes, assa is not GCD locked except when you are overcapping energy, so don't worry about it at all

[warped moon]

type to ur party that theyre doing great 🙂

[ornate aspen]

alright, thank you!

[frosty cedar]

I sometimes type weird shit to my raid in /say

[warped moon]

yw love u

[frosty cedar]

or just alt tab and change my song on spotify

[warped moon]

death to outlaw 🙂

[frosty cedar]

good value techniques

[royal lantern]

whats an outlaw

[warped moon]

fake rogue!!!!!!!!!!!

[frosty cedar]

real

assa is the only dignified rogue spec

[crystal helm]

what about aoe opener?
how much do you spread in like AA first pull?

[frosty cedar]

even now liquid and echo should switch their rogue to assa for lura 2x p3 dmg

[frosty cedar]

I basically dont press FOK at all in AA first pull

[crystal helm]

dang, but opener stays the same?

[frosty cedar]

I would just garrote the big plant guy, tempest, tempest, rupture, then spam tempest and envenom

[viscid spear]

You're just CTing?

[frosty cedar]

yep

I have a disturbing AA build though that doesnt even take thrown precision and goes sudden demise cause I got bored of algethar farming

but even before I did that I think you just spam CT on that pull to get bleeds out

[crystal helm]

double garrote to get the longer garrote or single?

[frosty cedar]

double garrote yeah

[warped moon]

it is a long pull, the double is worth it

[crystal helm]

well atleast im doing something right, swapped to assa doing +12 keys but still during some pulls the big adds wont survive the entire deathmark duration

[warped moon]

if they do the long pull anywho

[frosty cedar]

this is my disturbing algethar build

[low hare]

they never will, still just full send though on the biggest add

[frosty cedar]

yeah the plant will perish

[low hare]

its worth doing anyway, even if duration isnt all used up

[night delta]

Is this just to pad like a mofo on the plant trash ?

[frosty cedar]

I go on the second big add to be pulled though

[frosty cedar]

lmfao caught

[low hare]

lol

[frosty cedar]

I got like 700k on first pull

[crystal helm]

im fighting both the adds and fps-killer during that big trash pull

[severe meadow]

is SD the secret..?

[frosty cedar]

yes goat

[severe meadow]

to go further beyond

hm..

[frosty cedar]

embrace the degenerate AA bleed only build

[viscid spear]

[frosty cedar]

feel the anguish of your comrades on the first boss

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/richard-gumball-buff-richard-chad-gigachad-gif-11723703062769573690

[frosty cedar]

when they see why your dmg on first boss after you kill it is 230k

and they hover you

and see 50% SD dmg

[fallow canopy]

demisemaxxing

[royal lantern]

i also love not doing any real dmg

[frosty cedar]

we do a bit of trolling

[night delta]

"Wow guys, I dealt so much DPS but we still depleted, you really suck"

[buoyant herald]

just exit the dungeon and respec duh

[elder agate]

What is sd lol

Good dmg

[frosty cedar]

sudden demise

[night delta]

It's spooky ghost damage

it's damage you basically steal away from your group

[low hare]

i mean, its padtastic thats for sure, but useless overall, ull be a wet noodle on bosses

[severe meadow]

I don't actually use SD btw

just so we're clear on that

[frosty cedar]

he was asking if SD is the secret to get further than his dmg on that screenshot

[low hare]

i figured 🙂

[severe meadow]

Either way it's pad tho

[frosty cedar]

its actually only slightly behind the regular m+ build on ST cause you take the ambushy talents type shit. but yeah its generally meme damage. just something to spice up the algethar farm

[severe meadow]

it's 760 little guys

[thorn thorn]

[frosty cedar]

fear the inclusion of amp poison despite not having dragon tempered

[night delta]

cursed

[humble verge]

how is a 268 ddh with 4p

losing to me with 2p 263

in a 10 spire

[frosty cedar]

just weaklings

[royal lantern]

its a FotM spec

aka

90% of people playing it have no idea what they are doing and just play it cus they saw a random Tier List

[sudden grotto]

Most devourers suck tbh

[royal lantern]

its in the spec name

wow, i should be a Devourer DH

[pliant remnant]

I just did 76k overall on my 260 Brewmaster with 2pc in a 10 Spire

Bro is just fully handless

[sudden grotto]

I played with a 3.5k in a 14 and he did brew damage a

[thorn thorn]

I rerolled to enhance

Devo suck to play

Why are you dead

Is it cuz im not playing assa

[royal lantern]

mfs here laugh at somebody playing enhance

when we are playing assa

lmao

[runic hinge]

no one palys this spec

[thorn thorn]

Well im not gonna play ele

[royal lantern]

fuck ranged dps

[runic hinge]

how is there 1300 kills for midnight falls on normal

[thorn thorn]

I still wanna smack things with weapon

[runic hinge]

thats like

0

[thorn thorn]

Midnight falls gonna farm the fuck outta casual groups

[frosty cedar]

cba to go into midnight falls brah ppl need it less for gear atp

[proper moon]

how much % is 4set in aoe/dung?

[royal lantern]

idk, probs 4 or 5% or smth like that

[runic hinge]

i need more noobs to go in there and push my parse up

[weary spear]

Ramp spec vs front loaded spec big surprise

[humble verge]

but like, some fights lasted way too long - so he should still be able to ramp

and even pre-ramp when we are kiting to more packs

[mystic urchin]

SV Hunter here, Im leveling an assa and I enjoy it lots. I hope you all enjoy it aswell even with its poor performance compared to other specs / classes

[thorn thorn]

!buffs

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[severe meadow]

Straight gappin'

[thorn thorn]

fartonfloor

[hazy sundial]

More like fartonmeter amirite fellas

[severe meadow]

First time he's played demon xd

afflic one trick

[mystic urchin]

misery loves company

[viscid spear]

[thorn thorn]

who no 150k

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[severe meadow]

[thorn thorn]

I believe in you

what dungeon

[buoyant herald]

new prey hearthstone toy looks sick

[thorn thorn]

A lot of the prey cosmetics are sick

I just wish there was more

[balmy condor]

I mogged you with sudden demise bud

[humble verge]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[zealous moth]

Spec is garbage fire (天赋是垃圾火), Key bricked by your presence (钥匙因你而坏), M+ score fake like plastic (分数是假的), Instant decline by all leader (秒拒). Go play Hello Kitty Island Adventure (去玩凯蒂猫岛冒险).

[fair crypt]

!buffs

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1340517677973635152/1484704581362651366/image.png?ex=69bf3264&is=69bde0e4&hm=d107345329547c4c2447c754851eb4e9e5751085af4bff69a8e80a3fd6011f31&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[humble verge]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[frosty cedar]

do it to em

[sudden brook]

new build ⁉️

[sharp viper]

Rogue do low damage (盗贼伤害垃圾). same parse as arms war (评分红色，和武器战一样). Bring shame to guild (公会之耻). M+ instant decline (大秘秒拒). I stand in city like NPC.

[thorn thorn]

DS demise maxing?????

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-im-watching-you-gif-16773151899168519026

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerd-meme-radar-gif-26497624

[thorn thorn]

Its 2026 uber use gifs

Like a normal person

[humble verge]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HDuYGGwXUAEvDLe.gif

[thorn thorn]

there you go

[thorn thorn]

[worldly sail]

[humble verge]

it almost got run over

[balmy condor]

!!!!

[coral ibex]

is there a way to macro an equipment set and spec change together

i can't tell if it doesn't exist or i am just searching for the wrong syntax

bc you can put equipment sets on your hotbars

[snow kindle]

The gear thing is character panel does this

The little helmet icon in the top right set gear with x spec

[coral ibex]

HUGE

ty

[viscid spear]

https://tenor.com/view/have-a-good-day-have-a-beutiful-day-hello-love-you-chiikawa-gif-2963342148796547818

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/hubert-chiikawa-goodnight-hubert-chiikawa-goodnight-gif-18416776681933308203

[primal parrot]

share build

SUDDEN DEMISE

I NEED

[obsidian oracle]

I HOPE YOU EXPLODE

[scenic nacelle]

[warped moon]

howyd it spoiler

its in my galllery

[frosty cedar]

jumpscared

[warped moon]

wat is that your cat

[warped moon]

is there a way to apply all 4 of my poisons at the same time or do i have to do them all one at a time

[runic hinge]

One at a time

[warped moon]

omg

[solar wyvern]

Idk im yolo enchants rn crit mast i think

Just search on logs/rio for talents, only swap consideration is 1x fatal conc -> secondary poison for small pack keys (5-7)

[proven carbon]

is this normal? ik sim usually knows better but is there a reason it wants to drop so much haste? are there breakpoints like sub has?

[kindred cobalt]

atm from the logs that ive seen, sin is the rogue spec doing more damage in M+. while Subt is on raid. do you think after this buffs on reset that will change on raid too? im asking this because lack some gear to play both stuff with different enchats, im lacking crit atm on sin, while some lilte haste as subt

[solar wyvern]

Idk what youre comparing to, but the ring set is like .5% increase in st and crit is a very desirable stat

[proven carbon]

ah yeah i guess that doesn't really give much to go off of
ig i didn't realize just how much crit the sim favors
i have 918 atm which i thought was pretty good but I guess more is better

746 haste might be too much though ig

[balmy condor]

yeah that's a ton of haste

sim will probably suggest mastery/crit

[indigo mulch]

Bruh.

I'll show you my stats atm. They are.. well slightly crit heavy.

[solar wyvern]

You dont wanna see my haste build with guidon...

Pretty sure i have like 850 haste

Infinity energy hack (also infinity repairbill hack)

[proven carbon]

i might leave 1 rage and take acuity on the other weapon

[indigo mulch]

Stat weight still wants me to get more crit btw. 😄

[solar wyvern]

Crit is a very good stat for assa, who woulda thought

[balmy condor]

crit good stat

[indigo mulch]

[kindred cobalt]

how much haste we want as sin ?

[balmy condor]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stats
You will always get more accurate results using Raidbots Top Gear, as stat values will flucuate depending on gear and situation.

Agility (Item level) > Crit > Haste > Mastery >>>> Vers
The ratio between secondaries ends up being roughly 40/33/26/1

[buoyant herald]

So is 850 mastery good then 🥲

[proven carbon]

i was worse than that when i swapped to assa on friday

[buoyant herald]

I haven’t really done it on purpose, just the way my gear has fallen out

Nice for sub I guess

[wide berry]

Could time travel back to tww sin

[buoyant herald]

I never really left

[warped heath]

With the recent buffs, is assassination back? I don't mind sub, but I prefer assassination.

[balmy condor]

we've been back brother

[fallow canopy]

Were we ever gone?

[warped heath]

To be fair, the dead GCDs is what did it for me in prepatch, tho I have heard it gets better with Apex. I will have to take it for a spin tomorrow, see how it feels.

[balmy condor]

those are very much still there

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/welcome-will-ferrell-head-in-the-game-threat-the-campaign-gif-4945992

[haughty pewter]

If I'm at 1250/508/491/245 do I go less crit or just flask haste?

[balmy condor]

would assume you flask haste

[haughty pewter]

ty

[sudden brook]

Is there actually a sudden demise build

[buoyant herald]

does it have to be a good one?

[balmy condor]

yes, but it's like 5-6% worse and it's only good if you count the sudden demise damage as real damage

which it definitely isn't

[oblique jackal]

decided to check on assa after months, is it really THIS hard to get implacable to work on the cooldown manager? LUL

its literally just a buff tf

[coral ibex]

it is bugged

[sudden brook]

I wish this spec did damage in poop keys

[coral ibex]

but also you can just kinda yolo it and let envenom drop if you want the bonus

you only need to envenom 5x to max it out

and the first stack is the most valuable

[oblique jackal]

why is the first stack the most valuable

[coral ibex]

because it gives the largest amount

20-35-50-65-80

20 15 15 15 15

[oblique jackal]

i see

thank you

[jolly stirrup]

I love that this channel is my home the first hour at work

[half condor]

cant find a clear guide with rotations for sin anyone can help me out?

the one in discord is just simple with no details

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[jolly stirrup]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/assassination/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[half condor]

thanks friend

[jolly stirrup]

[half condor]

do you mind i f you show you some things on stream if you have some free time?

[jolly stirrup]

I am at work

[half condor]

no problem thanks bro, if any main sin is chilling please let me know i have some questions that i want to show on stream.

[mint valve]

is dragon tempered blades mandatory in m+?

[balmy condor]

for any sort of non-weekly keys, yes

if you're just dicking around in a +10, not at all

[mint valve]

ahh ok, so dropping it and amp poison for another point in scent of blood and sudden demise would be bad for pus hkeys?

[bright hemlock]

Can someone explain why I am supposed to be dumping garrotes in my opener in m+? Am I supposed to just double improved garrote one target and then spread with CT? Or do I want to improved garrote a ton of different targets?

I guess my question also comes down to, does CT spread improved garrote or does it not give an improved garrote to the mobs it spreads to.

[coral ibex]

it spreads improved garrote

[bright hemlock]

So double garrote for the duration bonus and then start spreading

[coral ibex]

yes

[bright hemlock]

Lit, thanks

[grand atlas]

hello whats the haste cap as assa?

[coral ibex]

there is none

[grand atlas]

so no optimal haste is req?

[coral ibex]

we just follow the sims

[grand atlas]

okej:)

[frosty cloud]

Does blindside help at all with energy starvation

[grand atlas]

when should i use my puzzle box in the opening like ----- garrote - muti - rupture - muti - muti - evenom and then puzzle box before Deathmark and Kingbane

?

[primal parrot]

we're so back bros

ignore the augvoker

[jolly stirrup]

I mean details doesn't show Augvoker damage properly no?

[jolly stirrup]

Correct

Box before CDs

[balmy condor]

there's a bunch of ways to play it honestly that are all kinda weird in their own way. I don't think there's necessarily like one build to play in that regard, like here's a couple screenshots of builds that could totally work with sudden demise in those pissrot weekly keys

the ones with blindside can do pretty respectable single target compared to the "recommended" build, the ones without blindside are more giga aoe gimmicky, but assassination has a pretty wide range of slush points (probably like 4ish points in any given build) that you can kinda put anywhere you want

[primal parrot]

right now its only listing prescience, bombardment and breath in my damage which accounts for a total of 4.8% of my total damage that key

Pit 11 btw

i think Inferno's Blessing is also an augvoker thing?
anyways with that added it rounds up to a nice 5%

this is the overall, some things missing

whats most important though is that it felt amazing in comparison to sub which ive ran for the majority of this season

the #1 mistake i felt i made during the key was holding on to vanish too much

i kept holding it for deathmark, but eventually i just desynced the cd's anyways by mistake

[mint valve]

oh i guess a question i would have with those slush points @ashen pike

is it worth taking amp poison even if you dont have DTB?

or is it just to get to the right side of the tree?

[balmy condor]

oof, unlucky ping for that guy

[balmy condor]

it's not the best thing ever, but yeah it's a valid point to take

[glacial relic]

yeah, we kinda never left

pit of saron is so good for sin x)

[proven carbon]

watching casualaddict go bonkers in MC made me jealous of his damage lol
i have no clue how he is doing so much

[keen raven]

is there a way to sim more than 10target

and stat weights for such or na

ik its prob mastery/crit but would be curious on weighting

[buoyant herald]

tank pulling big constantly is a big part of it

[keen raven]

tank also letting restealths or chaining properly

[balmy condor]

desired_targets=x

[buoyant herald]

chaining properly, didn't see a lot of restealthing

but thats less important now so

[balmy condor]

stat weights though

[buoyant herald]

chaining for constantly large target counts is the key

[balmy condor]

if you think you can divine the stars through stat weights, god bless I guess

go for it

[keen raven]

guess i just need testin just wonderin if

i could potion of recklessness on big packs

and if its more value

[balmy condor]

you would giga DR yourself with box

in general as you add more and more and more targets, haste loses a lot of value, crit loses a decent amount of value, mastery gains a lot of value, vers gains a decent amount of value

haste/crit are to a big portion primarily resource stats right

so like, giga pull you don't need the crit for cp, you don't need haste for energy

they still do stuff obviously, like crit and haste are still damage

but mastery/vers just catch up

[keen raven]

yea just min maxing

[balmy condor]

the main issue with recklessness is that you just DR yourself to hell

cause you box -> reckless

get 3 gorillion mastery

and it just all goes to shit

[keen raven]

i still hate the feel of current asa, perma energy starved feels awful

[balmy condor]

the alternative is that you're recklessing and hitting crit I guess

[fringe valley]

So when pushing high keys stacking more mastery is preferred? At least for the big pulls throughout

[balmy condor]

yeh I mean if you're getting precise about it, you would want to run less haste than you do in raid

but you still want haste for bosses and cleave and shit

[fringe valley]

Good to know i followed the guide but i only do m+

[keen raven]

yea im just mix maxing weird sht and wondering if recklesness is possibly nbetter in omega pull packs

prob just needs testing

[fringe valley]

So i might have more crit then id like

But dslice did like crit still idk lol

[balmy condor]

yeh

big dslice enjoyer

just use that

follow that

stats and shit are just a recommendation at the end of the day

[fringe valley]

🫡

[balmy condor]

and realistically like the uber-min-max shit

is that you would swap haste/mastery around per dungeon

which like, I literally can't put into a guide

or heroic harry opening the guide to learn assa for the first time

his brains gonna explode

[fringe valley]

I’m pretty new to simming and I’ve always just used ur wowhead to get an idea

[bitter solar]

don't out me like this

[balmy condor]

you can easily do 18's and shit just following wowhead guide and having zero original thoughts fwiw

[fringe valley]

It’s great tho to have. taught mr the basics and now I’m moving into 13/14s

lol not a single one of those in me

[balmy condor]

timing keys is just playing good consistently, knowing the dungeons and what will kill you and what's coming up

like if you know all the kicks and cc's and important things you have to do in order to not wipe

and you know the big pulls and the small pulls, can play around that without being a dumbass and slamming dm into like a 10% hp mob in a 3 pack

then you're good to go tbh

[keen raven]

i miss pushing top 5-10 world keys

no group nowadays 😭

and rogues omega hated atm

[balmy condor]

people put a ton of weight into like, perfect stats and being the most giga geared top whatever

and shit just

legit doesn't matter 99% of the time

[keen raven]

90% of high keys is just coordinating cds

[balmy condor]

pushing keys is first and foremost time investment, then secondly it's repetition, then thirdly its game sense

[keen raven]

and not inting

[balmy condor]

and then after all of that it's your actual min-max bullshit that everyone thinks matters

[blissful spire]

if im not mage or dh im not getting invited 🙂

[balmy condor]

you're not missing timer on a +17 or a +18 because you forgot to sim your gems and didn't know about a haste breakpoint that doesn't actually exist, you missed the timer on a +17 because you didn't know the fucking dungeon, and your group missed a kick and killed someone

[blissful spire]

pug life

[balmy condor]

that's the actual reality

[fringe valley]

😂

True

[runic hinge]

If I had a bit more haste my kick would be up sooner and they wouldn’t die

[balmy condor]

and also the people that are pushing 20's right now actually just ran the keys this season 300 times on beta and just have more experience than you

they're not inherently like

playing differently

or doing some secret technology

it's like comparing yourself to someone who has 400 pulls on a mythic boss

and going "man, they're so much better than me"

they aren't really

they've just done this infinitely more than you

[blissful spire]

unemployment buff 🤧

[runic hinge]

I wish I was unemployed

[fringe valley]

Having a job is ruining my m+ potential

[blissful spire]

i cant get my 17s timed b/c i have a job 😭

[jolly stirrup]

God today echo can actually win, Liquid will get more tired and make more mistakes, while they are rested and can blast

I believe

[sonic zinc]

anyone know if darkmoon faire flasks work in content

[brazen falcon]

gotta get into a group fr fr!

[blissful spire]

ya working on that rn

[brazen falcon]

i just run with the same like 5 people and never pug if i dont have to

its a tough life

[fringe valley]

Anyone here genuinely tried or have made it to title cut off?

Lucky enough to have a group of irl friends that are dedicated to m+ and it’s only our second ever season and hit 3k. i know its way easier this season and there’s some serious levels to this shit. but just very curious how difficult it is to actually make it to 0.1% with coordinated group

[blissful spire]

currently at 3450 with pugging, playing with a warrior friend

but like stated before

[brazen falcon]

its all about reps

[blissful spire]

it gets hard to do higher and higher keys w/o the reps

and cordinated kicks

[brazen falcon]

you gotta just keep running dungeons and trying stuff

[fringe valley]

Yeah that’s what we’re trying to nail down rn

[potent jetty]

guys, if i change from SUB to Assa, will i have problems stats wise? running low crit chance right now

high mastery

[brazen falcon]

stuff starts hurting a lot more at the 17-19 range too so you need to be aware of what can and cant kill you

[runic hinge]

Assa doesn’t care that much about secondaries and there’s no breakpoints. You’ll be fine

[potent jetty]

thanks, i will give it a try

Sub is too spammy, i'm old lol

[analog field]

I mean you will have to reach 4k for title (maybe even more).

If you think you can do it go for it

[potent jetty]

yeah, me too, impossible to PUG as a DPS in this game

[fringe valley]

I definitely don’t think we’d get it this time around since it’s some of their first ever seasons and only my second. But with a lil more time we want to seriously attempt

Also just worried this season is too easy at 13/14s it’s given us ego 😂

We’ll probably get humbled soon lol

[analog field]

Yeah I think this season will be a bit higher than the previous one unless heal checks are an issue

So like 22 every dungeon and 23 the easy ones or even 24?

[wary light]

I wonder what kind of numbers assa puts out in big keys

When you've got enough time to fully spread and DM a prio target

[analog field]

Check casual he is doing like 200-250 overall

[autumn shoal]

Hello Guys, do we have a spreadsheet or something to know which type of damage by encounters are reduced by the poison?

[balmy condor]

I think that has it

oh maybe it's just defensives

[vast osprey]

How is Assassination compared to Subtlety in keys? I’m quite happy with Sub in mass AoE and full single-target damage, but it really struggles in low target counts, especially on cleave bosses like in WS, SotT, MC, and MT. Is Assassination’s single-target damage in an M+ build strong enough to feel good in those situations?
For context, I’ve been running +15s and +16s.

[balmy condor]

awkward

okay well, @autumn shoal there's an easy way to check, if you sort damage taken by source, everything you can hit with a poison is reduced here

"environment" for example, can't poison that

[strange onyx]

Watch me stop recycling

[balmy condor]

or like lightblinded vanguard, there's divine hammer, that's not reduced

[balmy condor]

assassination is really good and being played by the best rogues, sub is just big aoe burst pad

[zinc frost]

https://tenor.com/view/heavyweights-happy-agree-josh-this-gif-4954895

[vast osprey]

I couldn't have gotten a better answer. That's exactly how I feel!

[keen mantle]

hello beautiful creatures

where can i find the caustic spatter screenshot

i want to show a dude

on how it works

[strange onyx]

The circle one from Gally?

[keen mantle]

yes

[keen mantle]

thank you kind sir

[warm flint]

inc kirabrew positioning flame? ROFL

[keen mantle]

nah kirabrew is the goat of stacking mobs

the rest of the tanks are the problem

kek

[primal parrot]

tanks really like making life harder for dps by positioning badly

[keen mantle]

when lazel gets back from raiding ill put him into caustic spatter lesson

pretty good

[bronze pike]

to be fair tho

very few tanks are good

[primal parrot]

its an incredibly punishing role

[bronze pike]

alot of them copy high end m+ players but fail to realize why said players do said things

[bronze pike]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmmmmawjdwakdwamj. i wouldnt say that either

there is a performance anxiety aspect to it. like if group wipes then youre probably gonna get flamed or something.

[primal parrot]

like i said its an incredibly punishing role

[bronze pike]

but tbh, tank as a role isnt more punishing than healer or dps on a rotational standpoint

i guess ya in a emotional standpoint

i honestly think we baby tanks in the wrong way, while being overtly critcal of tanks in dumb ways

like alot of people only think a tanks job is to live. so you got turtle tanks that do 0 damage and thus lose aggro or brick timeable keys

but at the same time, community sees a tank not following meta build or make one mistake that may or may not be the tanks fault, its insta flame

[primal parrot]

the wow community is full of horrible people so that becomes the standard

nobody needs babying people just need to learn to act like human beings and read up on the concept of patience

[bronze pike]

I mean like, idk when a dps does 0 damage or if a healer doesn’t press their cds

The community doesn’t give them a pass

But when the average tank doesn’t press buttons or cds or ignore tcers and make a completely dogshit build then complain the spec is bad. I feel like the community gives them a pass because “they still lived”

[balmy condor]

To be fair, I don’t think there’s any situation in s1 where it applies other than Vorasius

And even on Vorasius I’m not sure

Like that screenshot and explanation is all well and good

But I don’t think people realize how fucking big the boss hit boxes need to be for that secondary check to trigger

Rashanan hitbox is basically the smallest it could ever be

Or Vorasius hitbox

Any smaller than that, and the secondary check simply won’t trigger

[keen mantle]

Ok so when like its a normal dungeon mob

its like a circle around our chars and a circle around the mob but its smaller

[balmy condor]

No way in hell

[keen mantle]

pretty much

[balmy condor]

No

It’s a circle around the mob

[keen mantle]

only?

[balmy condor]

It’s

Only a circle around the mob

As the first check

That’s 99% of situations

If you have some gigabig shit like rashanan/bloodbound/gally/dimmensius/vorasius

Then the secondary check triggers

That secondary check has never applied in any dungeon situation

Mobs aren’t big enough

The only way it triggers is if you are hitting the mob from further away than the caustic range

And for it to actually make a difference where you’re standing

You’d need to be ~20 yards away

So unless you got like evoker range

Not happening

[lean plover]

Would it work on something like 1st boss of the rookery when hes in the middle?

[analog field]

no adds there though

it could also work on rashanan in dawnbreaker I guess but no adds there too

[balmy condor]

Yeh

Works on p1 rashanan, not p2 though

But yeh, nothing to hit

Like legit just think about standing max range on evoker or devourer

If you can replace that character with your rogue and melee the boss from that spot

Then the secondary check will trigger

Or idk, take the range of throw dagger

Cut it in half

[autumn shoal]

Thanks a lot !

[balmy condor]

Melee from there, you get secondary check

[cunning needle]

waaaah tanking is too hard i need to spent 30 hours watching videos to make the perfect route

[glossy light]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
  BetterCDM - Enhancements to the Cooldown Manager
• MSUF - Common Unit Frame replacement
• Platynator - Recommended Nameplate Addon (Plater is not recommended)
  (Jundies Profile)
  (Whispyr's Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator and cursor replacement

[sharp trellis]

Hi , what is the recommended 3rd craft for m+ player ? i was going to do a ring but the ring from nexus seem to be bis no ?

[buoyant herald]

I like a ring craft, can “fix” your stats and gives you room to grab one from the vault still without feeling like you wasted sparks

[unique nymph]

Guys, what is best build for high keys, is fatebound better then deathstalker or?

[zinc frost]

Fatebound

[humble rose]

Do we play fatebound in both raid and m+?

[grim jay]

yes

[viscid spear]

We are bound by fate

[primal parrot]

looks like a necklace craft angle for my 3rd craft

[wicked valve]

BCDM won't track Implacable either, am I doing it wrong?

[analog field]

bugged

[humble rose]

Does the blizzard ui track all the buffs we care about, or do we need to use an addon to track things like impacable, caustic splatter and such? I was able to customize it for what subtlety needed, but not sure it’s good enough for Assa?

[latent kernel]

Is there a reason caustic isn’t just hard assigned to the rogues positioning?

[frosty cedar]

its just designed that way. the damage cleaves off of the mob, it makes sense given the name of the ability

[spice surge]

You don't need to track spatter,but also addons can't really track implacable either

[tall spindle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13

[analog field]

I met a tank in a maisara 13

pulled 4 mobs in the beginning

and when i told him pull more he said you don't have the dmg for more what is this shit dps

and kept going like this

[compact flame]

This was a Skyreach +14. I see that most ppl got caustic spatter way higher. But I feel like I press envenom quite often to apply it as its the 2nd most damage. Do you got any andvice? 😄

[north spruce]

so with L'ura being mostly st (correct me if im wrong) and assass has some of the best boss dmg rn, is there a reason sub is being played instead in the race? is it a cd timing thing or..

[tall spindle]

Hi, is there a macro to make tricks target tank without clicking on him everytime?

[spice surge]

Well best boss damage != best ST damage

The reason assa does so well on boss damage logs is because assa cannot pad, so its doing full ST every boss pretty much

[frosty cedar]

considering the entire execute phase is 2x dmg iirc I am wondering why myself

[north spruce]

right i see, ty ty

[spice surge]

Other classes can pad, which loses them ST damage but if they really wanted they could not do that and do more ST

[spice surge]

My guess is that the add in p1 are still too tight to give up subs damage for it

[hard mason]

Speaking of Caustic splatter... I've a question about how it works that i've not found an answer too. Does it spread from Current target. or your own position? Blizz i feel never been consistant in this.

[spice surge]

Target

[frosty cedar]

I can only think of this as the reason too, but it still seems crazy to me lol

[hard mason]

Ty ty.

[spice surge]

But ig the boss also does very high damage so having extra defensive talents from sub is helpful as well

Not sure how long the third phase is though, its probably 2 min or something

So assa doesnt get 2x DM

[north spruce]

i was also thinking this could contribute aswell

they playing DS or trickster?

[spice surge]

Trickster

Nobodys playing DS

[tall spindle]

Hi, I have a question why does the simbot do 2 garrotes on pull?

[pliant remnant]

Longer Garrote

[lime edge]

You can make it so tricks targets your focus target

And then u focus ur tank

[spice surge]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[lime edge]

Theres an addon tf

[nova aspen]

getting rid of WA's? hah, nice try, just make an addon for it

[strange onyx]

@frosty cedar I see you in Echo chat

Silly sod

[frosty cedar]

im telling you

[woeful meteor]

can the dot application from CT get parried or did I somehow just miss a paladin sometimes

[frosty cedar]

if your doing it on pull it could be that they are divine shielded

but that cant be parried

as far as I am aware

[woeful meteor]

happened midfight randomly so out of range ig

[lapis lantern]

in aoe situations: after im using my trinkets and pot, do i still have to vanish? the hotfix says, that CT applies the stats to garrote now, but not my main target as i am testing it right now

[analog field]

You shouldn't need to vanish now

[lapis lantern]

im testing it right now on dummy, the damage of garrote does not change on my main target after using trinket / pot and after CT

[analog field]

haven't done tests personally but it shouldn't work like this

maybe when whisp waks up he can shed light

[lapis lantern]

ye would be good - in single target - even when CT should now apply stats, even on the main target - this also still means, we need to reapply garrote as it seems on my testing

[brittle quail]

shouldnt test that on dummies

[lapis lantern]

ok?

[brittle quail]

they have more issues and bugs than anything else in the game

[lapis lantern]

wasnt aware of that

[brittle quail]

just llog a dungeons where you do test things

[lapis lantern]

good idea

ty

[brittle quail]

logs will be way more accurate

[analog field]

or log dummies

should be ok most of the times

[limber granite]

Hey! I'm looking for the perfect stats to play an assassin in Mythic+. Do you have any information?

[runic hinge]

Whatever the robot tells you to wear

Sim dungeon slice top gear and wear what it tells you

[limber granite]

Okay, and what options do I put? How many enemies? How long?

[runic hinge]

Dungeon slice is a fixed fight type

It’ll do that for you

[limber granite]

thx for information

[runic hinge]

You’re welcome. Good luck. I love you.

[weary stump]

Love you say it back

[runic hinge]

Left on delivered

[fallow canopy]

love you too

[runic hinge]

[normal mist]

I love you too my sweetheart

[arctic crown]

AA

[burnt venture]

That at peak or after 1st pull is finished?

Impressive either way tbh

[icy acorn]

do i let improve garrote expire before applying a normal one again?

[normal mist]

Yes

[sacred oyster]

im over here questioning if that dps chart wasnt showing dps lol... but man thats quite a pull. what are you 278 ilvl lol?

[arctic crown]

This is after 1st pull finish

AA 16

[arctic crown]

274

[solar wyvern]

@balmy condor u think with 10% ct and bleed buffs its gonna be spam ct regardless of cp in beeg pulls again

It wasnt very far behind playing normally iirc

[spice surge]

I mean spatter is buffed too

[solar wyvern]

Ye im hoping that offsets it enough

[spice surge]

So there shouldnt be any difference

As both were buffed by roughly the same amount

[solar wyvern]

I wonder if i could get away with it on momentum of despair ds...

[hardy rapids]

So will assa be on par with sub in mythic raiding with these buffs?

Should I just wait and see

Is poison bomb pubert finally back

[coral ibex]

assa is useful on any fight that has a meaningful execute

[spice spire]

@balmy condor sorry for the ping king, I just watched your video where you said you played all 3 rogue specs, but you fail to mention the fourth rogue spec, prot warrior. Please be cognizant of this misinformation next time ty

[coral ibex]

if you are in a guild where it would matter what spec you play you'd likely already know what spec to play on each boss

you can almost definitely just play assa

[acoustic birch]

I'm coming from Sub and looking at the recent sin changes, wondering if I should re-spec for prog

[coral ibex]

so far ive only played sub on averzian and that was just in case the adds needed more burst

every other fight ive played assa and topped or near topped boss dam

[lime edge]

Would bleed build be better after buffs

[south prawn]

How many bleeds aprox do u spread before popping cds first pull AA

[acoustic birch]

i was lowkey wondering the same thing^

[subtle tundra]

sorry for the ping but you cant mention the fourth spec without also taking in consideration the 5th spec, ret paladin

[spice spire]

My apologies varas, I’ll fix my argument next time

[coral ibex]

im pretty sure its correct to begin cds as soon as you send your first rupture

and spread after

[south prawn]

I seee

[coral ibex]

#assassination message

[acoustic birch]

Are there any more detailed breakdowns of rotation/cd priority outside of the #assassination-faq ?

[coral ibex]

oh that starts after cds

well in that clip i did gar gar rupt box dm kb

and then spread bleeds

[viscid spear]

[south prawn]

I just swapped to sin keep forgeting CT is a generator now 😂

[vast osprey]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Resources:

• ArcUI - Common UI Replacement
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  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - Poison Reminder
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[plush isle]

all these m+ damage numbers are with Sudden Demise ?

[coral ibex]

no

realistically nobody is running sudden demise in any key over like a 6

[acoustic birch]

so typically what do your aoe openers look like nooj

double garrote rupture box deathmark kingsbane evenom CT spam orr?

[viscid spear]

Probably lots of spinning

[balmy condor]

No

[sacred oyster]

i simmed this a few weeks ago and it wasnt. i dunno if changes recently would invalidate that, but the idea was to maximize the entire duration of the CD's with the full 20% AGI bonus was a bigger benefit. i guess its gonna depend how fast stuffs gonna die. if it survives full dot duration, then waiting until you hit full 20% should be better

so maybe get least 3 CT's in and call it good

[coral ibex]

maybe there are keys where that would matter

i have yet to do a key where lacking dps was why we missed the timer

[acoustic birch]

facts

[latent copper]

Hello guys, so many keys i played now on 13/14 anf im always asking me…..when is FoK better then CT when there are so many mobs? What if rupture is expiring in aoe and i have to refresh and still 8+ mobs? Should i CT or better FoK? 😂 i hope u know what i mean….under what circumstanced FoK?

1 MOB
all mobs got bleed? - doenst matter how many mobs

[viscid spear]

If the majority of the mobs are going to die in a few seconds, there's no reason to put bleeds in them

[latent copper]

True but often there are bigger inside and u cant force who get bleed…so if j want bigger get bleed u have to CT

[viscid spear]

Just CT when the smaller adds are gone

Or do what most do and spam CT and Envenom, never FoKing

[bitter jolt]

guys during AoE opener, should I cast envenom whenever I get 5CP?

[latent copper]

Thats what i ask….in my opinion there is almost no situation whete u fok in bigger pulls

[balmy condor]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Eh, once I get my bleeds out with CT, I spam FoK+Envenom

The Envenom buff is tasty

[balmy condor]

You fok when everything has bleeds, if everything doesn’t have bleeds you ct

[still nymph]

is it worth it to CT on the small adds on crown or do they die too quickly and we just FoK/mutilate *the big add?

[balmy condor]

I’d argue it’s not worth talenting into CT to begin with

[latent copper]

Ty. ☺️

[still nymph]

is that so? :o not even for the adds in p2?

i guess they die quickly too

[balmy condor]

But like, if you are gonna take ct, then I guess you’re pressing it whenever

[balmy condor]

Those adds are alive for legit 2 seconds

And then they awkwardly waddle around waiting for an arrow

[still nymph]

well, if you got a raid who can position the arrows :D

[balmy condor]

Yeah but they’re at 0

[still nymph]

but yhea you are right

thanks, will try with the pure ST build next time :)

[balmy condor]

Np

[scarlet orbit]

Im having to play the palas today will be... fun

[lime edge]

Does sudden demise work with crit at all

[humble rose]

did somebody manage to track implacable?

[normal mist]

no

[humble rose]

doesnt seem to be done on the blizzard CDM, so how do we track the 80%?

[normal mist]

doesnt work perfectly yet

you either look at your buffs bar

[frosty cloud]

when do you give up on spreading dots with ct

[normal mist]

when there are no mobs left to be dotted

or your bleeds are about to run out on the main target

then you gotta rebleed and back to CT

[sacred oyster]

i use elvui to give a slightly more filtered buff list for myself closer to center view so i can just keep watch for 80 w/o having to look up as far

[frosty cloud]

so its worth slamming ct till everything is dotted up

[normal mist]

yeah

[humble rose]

!addons

[frosty cedar]

count to 5

[royal lantern]

coun to 5

or realise that its mostly not important anyway

cus like, you only wanna drop the chain and get energy back when it doesnt result in wasted energy

which most of the time tends to be moments where it drops naturally anyway

[indigo mulch]

you guys run full st or ct/cs on fallen king? D;

[royal lantern]

cus.....if you can keep slamming envenom, you are doing dmg

[royal lantern]

im doing CT+CS and press CTT to dot up the big orbs when they are near the boss

but no hardwapping to them

[indigo mulch]

yeh thats what i thought.

[royal lantern]

the difference bettwen "full ST" and "having CT+CS" is almost nothing anyway

some weapon poison dmg and thats it

[indigo mulch]

[humble rose]

do we use deadly poison + amplifying + athropic for m+/raid?

[analog field]

deadly amp crippling and either atrophic or numbing

raid is atro usually and m+ numbing

[humble rose]

@analog field thanks!

[lime edge]

Anyone know

[royal lantern]

how should it work with crit

it takes the flat remaining dmg, and if its enough it kills the enemys

[sacred oyster]

well, "is it enough to kill the mob" is gonna vary on crit rate lol, so i understand the question

[lime edge]

It works with temporary damage buffs tho no

[analog field]

yeah it should work with those

i mean each tick is calculated by your buffs at the time of the calculation

[sacred oyster]

i guess the question is does it re-evaluate every dot tick, say if all dots dont crit and it doesnt kill it, but half way through the dot, 1/2 of those (so 1/4 so far) crit, and now the rest would kill it even if all non crit, then it dies, or does it simulate crits for remaining ticks

[lime edge]

Or does it just ignore crits completely

[royal lantern]

no it doesnt do that, cus tthat would be some insane calculations it would need to do 24/7 on multiple enemys lol

[lime edge]

Yea thats basically my question

[analog field]

it ignores crit completely

[lime edge]

[analog field]

but your mastery amplifies the dmg done by your dots

[royal lantern]

like, thats more calculations on you alone then an entire 20 man raid has at that point

[analog field]

so If you pop pot and trinket etc then sudden demise is buffed

[lime edge]

It does also kinda cheat in the sense that ur sudden demise can proc even when u only have 5 seconds of pot left but 30 seconds of bleed

[sacred oyster]

so does it evaluate on dot application, or every dot tick, ie as i said above, say 1/2 of your dots tick 1/2 through the dot duration, and now the remaining all non crits will kill it, or does it only kick in if the initial application will cause it to die?

[balmy condor]

Tick

[analog field]

tock

[sacred oyster]

but really, are we ever gonna really take it anymore anyways lol

[analog field]

no and also you can't game it. Like popping shiv as we used to do was a damage loss even if it felt like a gain

[lime edge]

I mean im using it to farm gear

Just spamming 6s

[sacred oyster]

you know... i should get a build w/ it for mining, that would get rid of those wildlings fast

[weary stump]

Tock on the clock

[cosmic robin]

is it normal we do dogwater damage on adds at first boss voidspire?

[hearty junco]

so we spam fok and not mutilate on 2target vanguard?

[sacred oyster]

even on a 6 i doubt its better. dungeon slice is already tuned to very low keys anyways and SD is always worse

[analog field]

you don't swap to add

[runic hinge]

Dj blow my speakers up

[lime edge]

It is tho