assassination

[warped moon]

gif posting is not beating the allegations i know

[wraith knot]

I'm a bronze dragon baby

[severe meadow]

Could be 90 copper more rich

[warped moon]

can u believe i was like "lifestealing doenst do as much damage as fiery but it does heal me so thats pretty good" i literally hadnt even heard of crusader

or agi or +dam

[wraith knot]

But bro crits for 3 more sec

Where are your dreams

Your hopes

[severe meadow]

dead

[warped moon]

felstriker was really fun with mutilate 🙂

it was a different time haha

[wraith knot]

I remember farming crusader orbs at that scarlet elite place with 58-60 elites in vanilla

Big money

People were like damn bro where you getting these

But I aint telling

[thorn thorn]

Why are all of these old people (no offense) talking about classic in my retail chat

[wraith knot]

Offense taken brat

https://giphy.com/gifs/e4Jyxh9zQjgnC

[thorn thorn]

Im happy for you or sorry that happened

[wraith knot]

I'm disappointed or really proud of you

[royal lantern]

real

we should spam more pet pics in the pet channel instead

[thorn thorn]

Nah

No classic talk here

Classic is for boomers

[wraith knot]

That was vanilla talk

Learn the difference kiddo

[royal lantern]

man, im not even 30 yet ok

i was just dumb enough to start with wow when i was like 10

[thorn thorn]

Old and slow content for old and slow people is all I hear

[wraith knot]

Yeah like books

[royal lantern]

you aint gonna catch me play classic

[wraith knot]

Go watch tik tok and wonder why you can't concentrate

[royal lantern]

played that stuff when it was current content, dont need it again

[wraith knot]

[thorn thorn]

I dont partake in tik tok

[low hare]

productive weekend 🙂

[thorn thorn]

I wouldnt do it if it was current content

[wraith knot]

Lucky mf

Gz

[low hare]

ty 🙂

[thorn thorn]

"yo molten core is actually insanely hard" and the entire raid is pressing one ability for 2 hours straight

[wraith knot]

We didn't have 50 websites full of guides and youtube tutorials that last 1 hour and 30 minutes li'l bro

As well as addons that do everything for you

[thorn thorn]

Cope

[wraith knot]

I think you're the one coping

[thorn thorn]

Dont need addons or websites to tell you how to do molten core

[wraith knot]

Bitch if you dunno what it means when you're the bomb

Then guess what happens

[thorn thorn]

Oh no

[wraith knot]

We didn't have no adventure guide buddy

[thorn thorn]

I have common sense cuz im not a moron

[wraith knot]

Lmao

[golden loom]

true, imagine if the game was that easy in 2026

[wraith knot]

Aight I'mma leave you to your fury warrior GDKP pumping attitude and go watch something

[worldly sail]

this is false for everyone playing rogue still

[thorn thorn]

ikr

[golden loom]

I was 9th on dps

rank 2 assa log

[royal lantern]

could be devourer dh

[thorn thorn]

bold of you to assume i both play fury warrior or sub to gdkp

Thats real boomer talk right there

[thorn thorn]

This is true

Midnight has looped back around to the olden days

Back to pressing one button at all times

[thorn thorn]

Good thing I dont actually play a rogue

yet

[golden loom]

I am also the only one with 4 set

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow Has that image from prepatch of parsing a 100 and being barely above the tanks

[golden loom]

like my damage aint gonna go up and its that bad

fun fight tho

[strange onyx]

Which one?

[golden loom]

paladin boss

[thorn thorn]

well

yea

[strange onyx]

Yeah, it’s aight

[thorn thorn]

[strange onyx]

Felt a bit empty on hc

Big hopes for mythic

[golden loom]

yeah I just compare it to how awful of a fight soul hunters was

[strange onyx]

Hah, truth

[thorn thorn]

Wait they gave you 4set

[golden loom]

bought an lfr token for 1m, got 1 normal piece and solo shuffled to 1600

[high dust]

wait... since when, the fix on the crucible makes it worth?

[golden loom]

so sent both cata pieces

[gleaming geyser]

sending cata pre vault is a choice

[fallow canopy]

crucible has been fixed on sims for like a week iirc

[golden loom]

well with 4 set I can farm cata charges so

[high dust]

damn. poor skyreach trinket then. on the bags it stays

[golden loom]

(surely I will get my first charge drop soon)

[gleaming geyser]

I too got 1600 in 2s, got a warbound chest from heroic chimaerus and am sitting on 2 charges, ill send Tuesday after vault before raid reclear

[thorn thorn]

Imagine putting in all that effort to get 4pc early and still not even being top dam on an encounter

[golden loom]

Atleast I top the fights I play sub on (all others than that one...)

[thorn thorn]

sub

[fallow canopy]

[thorn thorn]

[golden loom]

Will play assa on reclear of all fights next week tho probably

[thorn thorn]

Surely it will be outlaw tier guys right

[golden loom]

And probably on first 3 bosses of mythic raid also

[high dust]

if this happens, i reroll feral

[fresh kelp]

I got 3 already from grinding some arena

they seem to drop decently often

[mild dawn]

guys any1 know when bloodmallet and wowanalizer will have Assassination support ?

[balmy condor]

Wowanalyzer probably never

Bloodmallet when I’m happy with the sims

[thorn thorn]

Does nobody do wowa for the rogue specs?

[balmy condor]

Let me rephrase that for you

“Does nobody do free coding labor for one of the least played classes in the game on a tool no one uses”

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

do i need to have any qualifications or skills

bc i'll do it

and make shit up

[thorn thorn]

well damn when you put it like that it makes me sound rude

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

As long as you know typescript and have way too much time on your hands, knock yourself out I guess

[haughty flicker]

oh well i only have one of those things

unlucky

[balmy condor]

I did it for 2 tiers and shit was miserable

[haughty flicker]

have fun

(its not fun)

[fallow canopy]

btw do we know the range for secondary poisoning?

[severe meadow]

I'm finna log back off and get back on PoE

I just wanted to see the que time

[fallow canopy]

the nearby keyword gives me poe flashbacks

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[balmy condor]

5 yards

[junior patio]

is anyone else using BCDM and having an issue where after you allow implacable to proc, you don't see stacks of it for the rest of the fight?

[golden loom]

Wtf, I've been on a few world tours of m0 but no drop yet

[fallow canopy]

thanks king

[balmy condor]

that's just the game being bugged yes

[junior patio]

love that

[haughty flicker]

ive killed 3 bosses since i got the achievement and gotten 2 charges

gg

[onyx coyote]

I didnt notice withered saptor's paw in the thingie for trinkets is it good or bad at moment until raid trinks drop?

[balmy condor]

it's mid

[onyx coyote]

ty

[fresh kelp]

I suspect it's much faster in pvp with how fast you churn through games

we played like 120 2s/3s for the 3 cata charges

[haughty flicker]

120

what the hell

[frosty cedar]

[golden loom]

What the helly

[fresh kelp]

it was actually fun!

[balmy condor]

blink twice

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3FdCpcfQQTAkcuQtdWhr9A https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eN6gP2Vgw44hwtYNTSvWCX

hmmm

since i got mace from dragons

maybe its outlaw arc now

[golden loom]

Shuffle was also very fun tbh, fuck warlocks tho

[fresh kelp]

bg blitz was genuinely the 9th circle of hell

arena was a blast

[golden loom]

Got 1600 round after this screenshot

[humble verge]

romanian wastes time on solo shuffle

[fresh kelp]

let me tell you my mental after hitting 1598 in blitz twice trying to get the cata charge

[golden loom]

Did it during working hours (took 9 hours)

[fresh kelp]

MY TEAM THREW AN 800-0 GILNEAS LEAD

[golden loom]

My last shuffle game for 1600 was a 6-0

[thorn thorn]

Pinch yourself

Its a nightmare

[golden loom]

I am the Michael Jordan of wow pvp

[thorn thorn]

And you need to wake up

[storm forum]

How fast is pvp meta?

[fresh kelp]

the meta comps in 2s are insanely bursty

also disc does more damage than any dps

we played a mirror where a disc did more damage than both subs combined

[storm forum]

Alright, queuing up on my priest

[golden loom]

If you play against warlock you need to play DFA

[storm forum]

Thx uber love you too

[golden loom]

Cause they just gate around perma

[fresh kelp]

we killed healer against warlock

they are too fast

[golden loom]

Yeah might be the play, every resto druid I saw in shuffle I ran down

[fresh kelp]

then you go into mw demo

and they both have 6 teleports

[storm forum]

Don't tell that to any of the locks in my guild, they might have an aneurysm, or worse, try pvp

Also always go DFA in arena cause it's just the most fun talent in the game

[boreal lichen]

Are the 272 gs items we get from vault hc clearing 1/6 myth track items or 6/6 hero ?

[spice surge]

Items from heroic will be hero tier

[golden loom]

I also love playing against unholy dk + shaman and there just being 200 pets and totems and things on my screen

Vs all the ethical classes pvp also is fun tho

[fresh kelp]

once we hit 1800 we played 15 wws in a row

[storm forum]

Targeting totems, my biggest ptsd

[haughty pewter]

Vessel of Tortured Souls sucks, its too difficult to see with all the purple this expansion

[haughty flicker]

[drifting cloud]

are you ok Bel

[haughty flicker]

it was actually really weird

[drifting cloud]

pvp is never the answer

we are here for you

[haughty flicker]

pre 1000 i was getting my ass beat every single game

then 1000-1600 i actually never went worse than 3-3, and that only happened once

[thorn thorn]

Shadow in pvp

Only role bel is playing is the victim what the helly

[haughty flicker]

i got very good at running away like a bitch

until i could fear the healer and hope my other dps killed someone

[cunning needle]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/vessel-of-tortured-souls-tracker

but yes it sucks

i keep getting baited by uhdk doing their rotation

[haughty flicker]

lmao

yeah it does use the exact same effects huh

[cunning needle]

another reason to hate uhdk

[thorn thorn]

As if there was any shortage of reasons

[cunning needle]

trueeee

[spice sentinel]

best part is you cant hide it...

[cunning needle]

because it's an essential graphic or something

• blizzard

[lethal turtle]

If you have no trinket and I leg sweep. Most are dead in 2 seconds

[spice sentinel]

its even funnier bc they hid the ghouls from it

but were like yeah, lets just have massive necrotic explosions going off every .2 seconds

i was in a lfr with 5 UH dk lol

[haughty flicker]

Im just mad they stole bone spikes vfx

[low hare]

has there been any word on Implacable tracking in buff tracking?

at this point thats probably my main complaint about the spec

@balmy condor

[weak crescent]

Can i macro it? is there any snapshot problem?

[low hare]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

#showtooltip Deathmark
/cast Deathmark
/use 13

[balmy condor]

blizzard doesn't announce that they're going to be fixing something, they just announce when it's fixed

[low hare]

#showtooltip Deathmark
/castsequence reset=6 Algeth'ar Puzzle Box, Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

better deathmark tooltip for puzzle box

[haughty flicker]

[balmy condor]

you would want to swap deathmark and puzzlebox btw

but sure, yolo

[low hare]

wait why would you want puzzle box to go off after mark with its 2sec cast?

[drifting cloud]

it makes you do more dmg

[balmy condor]

deathmark is a dead gcd, you're not doing anything with the puzzlebox cast

[frosty cedar]

Cause mark doesn't do anything so it wastes puzzlebox time

[low hare]

i guess ur not wrong, but arnt you loosing 2 sec of deathmark and will miss kingsbane if you do it after?

[balmy condor]

miss kingsbane how

you just deathmark - box - kb

[low hare]

thats a really tight window though, KB lasts 14 sec, Deathmark lasts 16, puzzle box is 2 sec cast, i feel like you miss a GCD in deathmark because of the puzzle box cast, but hey im not a theory crafter

[balmy condor]

okay but you don't need it to fit in deathmark

[low hare]

oh really?

[balmy condor]

kb fully stacks in about 4-6 seconds during deathmark

[low hare]

i always though u wanted KB to end during deathmark

learn something new every day i guess

[balmy condor]

nah, there's no reason why that would be the case

deathmark doesn't duplicate bleeds or debuffs anymore, so no lethal dose stacks

shiv doesn't exist

[low hare]

ahh good point

shiv is dead

[balmy condor]

it only duplicates the hits of poisons, which stacks it

and stacking happens basically instantly

[low hare]

gotcha, see after all these years, i still have things to learn

ty

[weak crescent]

Whispyr do you recommend using any deathmark macros or you prefer sequencing it your self? O. O

[balmy condor]

np

I just macro my trinkets, and if I use puzzle box I'd keybind it

probably won't bother using box tbh

[weak crescent]

thank youu

[balmy condor]

np

[weak crescent]

(i will likely skip on puzzle too :p

[fresh kelp]

i got hit by a 250k rising sun kick

seems good

[low hare]

box is trash, i kinda hate it

the damage is good, the feel is piss poor

[balmy condor]

there's pretty decent alternatives at least

trinket balance is pretty good

[lethal turtle]

Oh yeah. Our goes with enh is RWK RSK ZENITH RSK in like 3 seconds

[shut sand]

Where in the tierlist does the voidstorm trinket land?

[low hare]

cept for alnseer, that shit upped by dps by near 4k >.<

[balmy condor]

it's competitive with a lot of the A tier trinkets until myth track

[runic hinge]

i cant wait for tuesday im farming something thats not this puzzyb

[shut sand]

Is that with all 3 unlocks?

Man I want the puzzle box it looks op

[balmy condor]

myth crests are next week

last raid unlocks the week after

is there an NA horde rogue I can borrow

[vocal basalt]

Is Saladbar our worst fight?

[balmy condor]

first boss I think is worse

[runic hinge]

should i just run m+ build for paladins?

[balmy condor]

run this

[vocal basalt]

I've never felt more hate in my heart for people with 90s CDs than I did in saladbar

[balmy condor]

the saladbar amp isn't even good

it's like 25% or something

[vocal basalt]

So just burn CDs on sight then?

I'll do that next time

[balmy condor]

ye

[runic hinge]

I'll maybe remember for next week xd

82 parse was probably more the kill timer and our late md screwing my opener

[severe meadow]

I see people holding DM on pull and only sending KB

And ripping on amp

idk if that's worth tho

[vocal basalt]

Yeah, I did that on my first kill

[severe meadow]

It is a pretty ass amp

[vocal basalt]

Well one never knows, I think afterwards KB might line up every amp

Its something like 100s IIRC

[jaunty sky]

Maybe i shouldve read the dungeon journal damn

[latent kernel]

is a 58 parse acceptable or am i shit?

(no battle shout btw)

[balmy condor]

it's better than average and you're missing 5% dps

I'd say that's acceptable

[latent kernel]

thanks king, no battle shout is making me insecure LOL

[sweet ledge]

what talents are ppl using for chimara

[thorn thorn]

On the plus side

58 is above average

[wraith knot]

Hey guys I found this build for raid, it includes cleave because honestly I cba changing specs every fight and most bosses have some kind of cleave anyway. Is this good or any suggestions?

Also should I use crimson tempest to spread bleeds to all targets while envenoming at 5+ or do I go like 3 targets with bleeds and then fan instead of ct?

[latent kernel]

well if i had battle shout, im pretty sure it would actually be closer to 70-80

[thorn thorn]

CT until all targets bleed

Envenom at 5+

[wraith knot]

Alright thanks

[thorn thorn]

Perhaps

Surprised you dont have a warrior player

[latent kernel]

we are currently looking, getting griefed until we get one lol

[wraith knot]

Holy just looked at the log rankings, that's so confusing. Rank 1 is an assassination rogue, but everyone else is sub, excuse me what

[vital flicker]

Is crimson tempest in the single button assist apl yet or does blizzard just not care about hyper casual rogues

[spice surge]

Thats first week(s) for you

[balmy condor]

not to my knowledge

[charred nest]

what do we think will be the best spec after the 4% buffs we getting

[spice surge]

The people that play later on in the week will do more damage than the ones playing the first few days. So sometimes things get weird

[wraith knot]

So sub is just better now then?

[spice surge]

No

Thats not what i meant

I meant that the data from the first weeks are unreliable as hell

[wraith knot]

Oh, right

[vital flicker]

As far as the data is concerned sin rogue does far more boss damage right now, so it's not as easy as saying higher overall=better

[wraith knot]

I see. Sorry all of this shit is new to me and it's very confusing tbh.

[spice surge]

Basically just play whatever you find the most fun for now, and if theres a clear winner in the coming weeks swap to that if you feel like you need to

[vital flicker]

All rogue specs right now are all very mediocre in raid, if your group needs a rogue just play the one you are best at, nobody is going to say anything

[wraith knot]

Great thank you

[wraith knot]

Yeah they keep telling me I'm doing fine and this and that, and my parses went up massive amounts in my second raid tonight after like a decade of no raiding in retail, but I can't help but feel like I should be doing more.

I guess that's what you're saying that rogue specs are a bit mediocre. That feeling is just coming from class tuning issues or something idk.

I keep going over everything a dozen times trying to find the magical button to press to fix everything. Lmao.

[severe meadow]

I love when someone goes afk

[spice surge]

YASS SLAY

[bright turret]

Dev did a great job of balancing rogue this season. All 3 specs are equally bad

[fresh kelp]

had a guy completely black out the sun while dead so when we opened the map it was quite literally impossible to see where to click to go next

just blindly spamming and eventually went... somewhere

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

[runic hinge]

wow there's 2k chimaerus assa parses and 10k sub LOL

[drifting cloud]

luckily you main feral

[abstract jacinth]

I'm sucking wind and looks like simulationcraft isn't up for sin yet?

[balmy condor]

correct

[wraith knot]

Huh why isn't simcraft up for sin? I been using it

[balmy condor]

he means the bloodmallet/sim stack

against all the other specs

the sim module itself works fine

[last iris]

Is because we suck?

[balmy condor]

no its because sims have been a bit buggy and fuckered

and we're untangling a mess

so I'm gonna submit a profile when things aren't fucky

[last iris]

[balmy condor]

if you compare sims yesterday to sims now, you might notice you randomly gained 5-7% out of nowhere

[last iris]

Nice, so I don't need to keep using the details module that multiplies my dmg done

[balmy condor]

blizzard has been changing a lot of backend janky stuff, for whatever reason that may be

and so we're playing catchup still because things stopped working

[hasty dew]

yo lads, why is raidbots showing me that Solarflare + Crucible is better than Solarflare + Undreamt gods oozing vestige?

[cunning needle]

smh sandbagging sims to get buffs

[balmy condor]

this one for example, deathmark since inception was a tag Apply Aura (6)

and now it uses Apply Party Aura (35)

for no real rhyme or reason

[cunning needle]

[balmy condor]

and so the suspicion was that maybe it's working for every rogue in the party

it doesn't

but that broke in sims for a bit

[bitter solar]

Aren't you gonna be partying when your DM jumps to another target?

[balmy condor]

now, don't ask me why it doesn't work for all rogues in the party

cause the flags say it should

but apparently it just..... doesn't

[balmy condor]

no, the flag change should mean if you play two assassination rogues, your dm works for you and for the second rogue

it doesn't do that

idk why it doesn't do that

but that's what the flag is indicating

[bitter solar]

circle jerking DM, like the good old days of tott jerking it

[balmy condor]

Apply Party Aura (35)for example is the same flag that bloodlust/heroism use

so it's just

?????

[bitter solar]

It is blizzard after all.

The AI is probably changing code

🤖

[balmy condor]

but it seems to be working perfectly as intended, so god knows what fucking black magic they pulled off in the backend to make it not apply

it's just all very strange

a week or so ago there was also some changes that broke some passive talents like caustic that had to be fixed

caustic randomly wasn't applying from envenom anymore

so the uptime went from 99% to 16%

[bitter solar]

[balmy condor]

one of the deathstalker talents just.... broke

dtb poison application nerf randomly ended up being like 33.5% instead of 30%

secondary poison didn't proc properly from non-lethal poisons

the apex lashes from kingsbane weren't applying poisons properly because that entire effect is giga janky

it's just been one thing after another

[balmy condor]

anyway, crucible is good yes

[bitter solar]

Feral Ravager code or w/e that ability was called that did the same shit but built combo points for them

[thorn thorn]

[bitter solar]

Feral Frenzy, that's the talent

https://giphy.com/gifs/asusrogde-loop-computer-keyboard-ZxzzPzlimXj9k1M262

[coral ibex]

has anyone else noticed terts seem more common this season? am i delusional?

feel like i had basically none in tww unless i got lucky

and now i have more % speed and avoidance than i ever did in tww

[balmy condor]

I explained it a couple days ago but the super TLDR, read the talent description in the image closely first, think about what you believe should happen, then read what's actually happening under this.

What's actually happening is each of the 5 lashes are split into a nature and a physical lash, so 5 lashes, but 10 "hits"

The nature hits spatter, cause they're nature, but the physical hits have a built-in 5 yard aoe that's uncapped, for god knows what reason. The combo points and poisons come from the physical hits, 1 combo point each physical hit, and the physical hits apply the poisons you have active directly. So if you're using dragon tempered and have deadly+amp, you get 10 stacks of kingsbane, because each physical hit is guaranteed to apply the lethal poisons you have currently. If you take DTB off, you only get 5 stacks then

[thorn thorn]

Maybe they should let kingsbane cleave and apply to all enemies hit

[bitter solar]

Ah. When you mark it out like that the split damage makes sense from the tooltip but not anything else lol

[balmy condor]

yeah and if someone can explain to me why the phys hits are uncapped aoe

I'd appreciate that

cause I have, no fucking clue

[spice surge]

And iirc last i checked it will only ever apply poisons to the first target hit

Not all of them

[balmy condor]

yep

[spice surge]

(by the phys hits)

[thorn thorn]

I gotchu lemme hit up john blizzard one sec

[whole wind]

This backend stuff is just affecting sims correct? Dmg on live is as is?

[balmy condor]

even when things are pretty obvious

yes

logs are logs

(this is also why blizzard doesn't use sims to tune things)

[thorn thorn]

John blizzard said it was an easter egg added specifically to torture whispyr

Which is honestly pretty based

[cunning needle]

[haughty pewter]

i hate that is damn near illegal to be black :/

[thorn thorn]

[cunning needle]

i got ghost ping'd!

[thorn thorn]

wha

[haughty pewter]

i said the magical no no word apparently context doesnt matter

[exotic hearth]

Do we know if wow-analyzer will be updated for sin ever again?

[tame willow]

yo i usually play sub or outlaw, learning assa.. after dots are up and I've used CD's what's the best way to play just the normal rotation, obviously simple but I heard about pooling and managing the evenom stacks but all ive seen is kinda vague

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

[haughty pewter]

why dont we have a bloodmallet profile?

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

start from there

[haughty pewter]

k, up before mythic march or is that just wishful thinking?

[balmy condor]

depends how much more dogshit I can find

I wanted to do it yesterday

and then I found more shit

so

any day now

[haughty pewter]

dont burn yourself out, keep up the good work

[balmy condor]

that's my secret cap

I'm always burnt out

[haughty pewter]

i feel you, sleeping at 1, up at 5, 4 hours of commute every weekday. one day im just gonna short circuit. get gkicked for dying during raid lol

[solar wyvern]

If youre burning simply cool down with a White Monster™ and recharge your day #ad

[balmy condor]

TRUE

just need more gay juice

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1360286822931890418/sqdf.gif

[low hare]

i am quite liking this spec

ji think that 3% will go a long way

[solar wyvern]

4% brother

Even further!

[spice surge]

Sub is the 3%, assa and outlaw is 4%

And 4 > 3, therefore assa > sub

[low hare]

yesss feed usss

[severe meadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080392696373452811/1128466537905406072/3B730FDB-5193-49AA-A4E0-14A735139AC4.gif

[loud niche]

soloQ as a dps for heroic on week 1 is awful. thought blizz hinted at a better system akin to LFR/LFG for this shit last xpac

[waxen oyster]

would have to incent healers to play

oh wait pugs arent soloq

[loud niche]

is there a large lack of healers right now? seems like if they made healing checks easier, more people would play heals and just run it for dps gear /shrug

[balmy condor]

There’s been a large lack of healers for the last decade

[waxen oyster]

pug raids are lfg

not soloq

[cunning needle]

weirdly enough i've noticed a huge influx of tanks

not that i'm complaining

[brave comet]

is there seriously no way to track the apex talent

it just is so difficult to look for it amongst 20-30 buffs in the top right

[cunning needle]

!bugs

[runic hinge]

I played rogue. It’s locked in

[shut sand]

Same here

[onyx rock]

Its a bit buggy but its in the cdm

[solar wyvern]

boss fucker 9000

ASsa is so lit guys

[brave comet]

i'm more interested in the % number rather than the buff from when envenom expires

[fresh kelp]

this guy's got 6 frost mages in his raid

[brave comet]

and it seems the latter overrides the %

[solar wyvern]

talk to zimbita man

He whisper me

"Charrend pls help we need boss fucker"

"i miss dragonflight"

"are u locked???"

[brave comet]

boss fucker indeed

[zinc pond]

I made a lil workaround using ArcUI that doesn't directly track the stacks, but it uses a custom bar and adds stacks each time I cast envenom, then drops all the stacks when I lose the envenom buff. It doesn't get overwritten by the energy regen buff since it's not actually tracking the apex buff

idk if I overthought things and there's an easier way but that's what I did

[brave comet]

i dont use arcui but that is a clever solution

[buoyant herald]

Are you just sitting on boss here?

[shut sand]

I think I did some testing and actually the best opener when u dont have imp garrote and u have the ambush talent that gives 1 xtra cp is to open with ambush

For a minimum of at least 3 cp, go 1 garrote, 1 mute, and u basically should have 7 cp for full rupture guaranteed

There’s also a variation of ambush -> envenom(for poison application, energy from apex talent, and SnD) -> garrote -> mute x2 -> rupture

But I think that one is less optimal than instantly tryibg to get ur rupture up

[primal smelt]

[static glacier]

Did you not hardswap adds?

[cunning needle]

he is boss fucker 9000 not add fucker 9000

[jovial idol]

just be a fucker 9000

[sharp viper]

fucker 9340 incoming on reset

[dire smelt]

is the big damage dealt in aoe from your big cds (deathmark and kingsbane) purely from caustic spatter or is there something else

[grim jay]

Both are first and foremost prio damage and then you cleave some ye, everything else is what you do both with and without CDs

[static glacier]

Bro I’m not tryna get flamed for never switching onto the big boy add atleast to bleed it and land some envenoms

[grim jay]

Its like Whispyr said

You either do big boss dps or you do big add dps

[static glacier]

Jokes on him, I do small dps for both

Also ngl I already had enough of the add switching debate from Richard reverberations

!rik

!rikreverb

Bro they killed it

[normal mist]

Envenom without 5cps and you're not even getting coins / dsm

[grim jay]

I forgot to prepare sin for chima

So I ended up subbing

[static glacier]

I just copied the raid cleave build

Ngl I found better results playing more st focused builds

Some of these fights our aoe is just too slow / not substantial enough to compete

[loud niche]

4% will make us compete, don't worry

[static glacier]

Sin is in a strange spot, we give up a decent number of st talents for aoe ones - all across the tree top to bottom though

So even if our aoe talents by design don’t trade off prio damage

[sharp viper]

fucking dragons is like that, boss you are hitting is too far away? no cleave dmg

[static glacier]

The raw number of talents we end up switching fucks aoe in st and st in aoe like old times

[static glacier]

Like they need to let us access the stuff behind caustic without caustic itself

It’s so giga useless half these fights

[cunning needle]

!richard

[grim jay]

Wasnt it atleast better than last season on the m+ build specifically?

[cunning needle]

RIP richard

[shut sand]

Its just to get all the buffs rolling

Ur not thinking about the coins

[sharp viper]

the commands have been removed for months now

[shut sand]

But I did also say its probably not optimal

[loud niche]

I have a feeling we're just going to be a ST spec unless there's long-term cleave, or pure aoe.

[normal mist]

I just see a cook that doesn't make sense so I said it

[loud niche]

Seems like that's the only way that blizz no changes makes any sense as is but idk

[sharp viper]

not really useless but yeah would be nice to have poison bomb without having to go through caustic

[shut sand]

I think its if u hit 3 cp ambush u can envenom instead of garrote mute rupture

[static glacier]

Yeah probably, still we have less funnel than last season too

[shut sand]

Cuz on the last mute u need 3 cp to guarantee 7 cp rupture

[normal mist]

I don't

[shut sand]

Which I dont know if its always guaranteed

[static glacier]

Secondary poisoning is another talent, heck caustic just gates the entire right side

Issue with that is its range and hitbox can be so dogshit on these ginormous hitbox bosses and tanks don’t stack adds under a boss otherwise one side of dps would be entirely out of reach to hit them

[grim jay]

Ngl I'm entirely sick of everything thats not funnel/prio being called pad damage that even mentioning funnel annoys me
But ye thats true, tho it seems to be the case for more than just us

[shut sand]

The poison vial from envenoms is also for ST dmg, since it hits ALL enemies in the pool. There’s no reason to go pure ST to miss out on the good aoe since the loss of aoe dmg barely improves ur ST by a %

[loud niche]

Is there a bleed build that differs from the m+ set up right now?

[static glacier]

We just can’t take 2x scent of blood / fb is tuned better and less headache

Heck I actually have 0 idea if singular focus is fixed

[grim jay]

I can see people on the higher end still going DS tho

Since the diff isnt that big

[normal mist]

I don't actually know that one unfortunately

[rugged basalt]

Curious on the specifics on this if you wish to share it? I don’t use arcui but would do so specifically for this

[loud niche]

Oh, sorry just asked bc you have the bleed build icon

[normal mist]

Because bleed was awesome during tww

[static glacier]

Will have to see how it develops once we get more gear and enter real keys

[normal mist]

Most fun I even had in m+

[static glacier]

There is, it’s not great

[loud niche]

Sadboi hours. I want more big bleedboi builds

[static glacier]

You drop dtb / poisner’s drive - inspiring strike choice node and take 2nd SoB and Sudden demise

Try it for yourself and make up your own mind, for me it didn’t feel anywhere near the old bleed builds

Lacking CT really cripples your tiny mob pad

[grim jay]

Generally also gotta see what happens in the next weeks

As far as changes go

[static glacier]

You take a while actually spreading and your strongest bleed isn’t a bleed anymore xd

[dire smelt]

you would cast rupture here even if below 5 combo points?

[static glacier]

Ngl I’ve begun having this silent dread when rogue doesn’t start the tier strong for one reason or another - blizzard explicitly said they don’t want to adjust the relative order of dps with tuning which means if you’re already shit you will stay shit - just slightly less shit and if you’re OP you will remain overtuned - actually makes it feel like a lottery and for some reason ranged dps always winning

[loud niche]

why wouldn't you just take CT?

[static glacier]

Read all my messages - think what I could be talking about

[grim jay]

You probably play the talent with more Cp through stealth garrotes

[flint raptor]

Hi guys, how good is our Tset compared to Sub/outlaw?
And how is the -10 energie for garrote? Is that a "cool" thing?

[dire smelt]

yeah but even with that talent its still 4 combo points

[grim jay]

Worse than sub similar to outlaw

[static glacier]

It’s similar outlaw, significantly worse than sub

[grim jay]

No

[static glacier]

😂

[dire smelt]

you mean shrouded suffocation right?

[grim jay]

Yes

[dire smelt]

I just tested it I only got 4 combo points with that talent with double garrote out of stealth

so wdym no

[grim jay]

2 garrotes = 6cp

3 Cp per garrote

[static glacier]

Alright, I’ll answer it - I’m talking about pre rework CT, that stuff was your main leverage for abusing sudden demise pad on tiny mobs and was tuned to be incredibly strong. New CT feels amazing to use but it lacks the same level of sniping / padding power

[subtle tundra]

you only get 3+1 though

[dire smelt]

u only get 3cp on the first garrote the effect doesn't persist afterwards, only improved garrote persists

[grim jay]

Did it get changed?

[subtle tundra]

idk

i dont play

im just telling you its not 3+3

[static glacier]

We reckon it’s a bug but who knows

I wish it was 3-3

[grim jay]

It always was 3 3

Since like forever

[dire smelt]

well it isn't anymore

[static glacier]

Well they ruined it man

They ruined our cake

[dire smelt]

so surely in that case garrote fan of knives garrote would make more sense?

[grim jay]

Everything is doneso

[static glacier]

Depends on opening cp / how stacked mobs are but yeah

If you open from full cp rup > gar > gar is better

[dire smelt]

yeah ofc

[grim jay]

Finisher rules always apply usually, I reckon that sequence is for if it works how it should work

[static glacier]

Idk why they kept the stealth shit for garotte tbh

[dire smelt]

how would it change depending on how stacked they are?

assuming u start from 0cp

regardless if it's 3 mobs or 10+ wouldnt it still be garrote fan of knives garrote

[wraith knot]

I think this means refresh garrote before it runs out to extend the duration of improved garrote, no?

But also what the f why would you cast rupture before full combo points and before you start spreading the bleeds

[dire smelt]

yeah that's why I asked here I wasn't sure if I was missing something because im very new to the spec

[wraith knot]

I'm ngl I think a lot of guides are kinda like talking to you as if you already basically know what to do

As a returning player it's kinda confusing

[static glacier]

Well for one you could consider mut if you’re only in range of the one mob you opened on to setup bleeds

[dire smelt]

I mean I was already pretty sure you wouldn't cast garrote below 5 combo points but I just wanted to make sure and ask here is all

it just being that u wanna refresh before it runs out does make more sense ofc

[wraith knot]

You mean rupture?

And yeah I'm pretty sure that

[dire smelt]

yeye rupture sry

misstyped

[wraith knot]

Some guide told me to rupture at max combopoints, whatever that amount is, but envenom at 5+

I guess it's 7 combopoints for most popular assas specs

And iirc you refresh the bleeds at 8 sec for garrote and 10 sec for rupture because that is maximum duration (30%)

I mean I'm new too though so if someone disagrees they'll be right about it

[dire smelt]

yeah I mean i've juyst mostly been looking at top parses to learn rotation but I wish there was stuff for dungeons but no m+ yet

[loud niche]

iirc it's 7sec for rup and 5sec for garrote

[wraith knot]

Hmm

[grim jay]

Thats kinda unnecessary

[wraith knot]

Wait wouldn't it depend on whether or not you have the improved garrote talents

[grim jay]

Garrote is shorter in duration than rupture, so you will reapply bleeds because of garrote at the earliest

5+ holds true

[wraith knot]

What happens is I will refresh garrote like in m0 or raids if mobs are still alive while building the combopoints for the next rupture which usually has 13ish seconds left by then

But idk like I might be making mistakes

That's kinda why I'm confused with the guides, they don't really talk about this in very good detail no?

[grim jay]

Ye thats what I meant

[balmy condor]

max cp rupture

what a guide

[grim jay]

It kinda doesnt matter too much if your rupture has 5s or 13s left in that example

You just dont want it to drop

[loud niche]

Jealous, much? Kapp

[dire smelt]

my issue is knowing when to press crimson tempest because it feels as though u wanna get garrote then rupture on prio target then u wanna cast death mark and kingsbane but then u wanna spend with envenom and then finally u can press crimsontempest and weave envenoms

[balmy condor]

yeah god how I wish I could just spout absolute nonsense into the world without feeling shame or remorse

[dire smelt]

and its just so slow before u actually start to spread ur bleeds

[grim jay]

How so

Its just like

2 or 3 gcds

More than if you had no CDs

[loud niche]

While you're here whispyr, do you happen to know how much we lose playing a bleed-centric build?

[balmy condor]

like 5-8% in aoe and 10-13% in st

[dire smelt]

well like on certain bosses it feels slow because the adds that are spawning are already dead before u can do allat

[loud niche]

tysm

[olive wagon]

What is the highest spec now for pure raid boss damage?

[grim jay]

You dont really spread much if stuff dies instantly

Thats why it feels bad if you try

[balmy condor]

in order: demo, unholy, frost mage, assassination rogue

[wraith knot]

This is from Whispyr's guide

I guess the guide I saw was wrong indeed

[balmy condor]

true

[dire smelt]

yeah true but then ure just getting astro damage graph gapped by anything with frontloaded aoe damage

[wraith knot]

Thanks guys I think that will make my life so much easier lmao such a small thing but I've probably wasted a lot of energy on nothing

[grim jay]

Thats the way of the world

[balmy condor]

I can't remember a time where we forced max combo points on anything other than darkest night

[grim jay]

Different specs do different things

[balmy condor]

and I've been playing since wod

[olive wagon]

thanks, i meant solely rogue specs 😛 my bad. But thanks!

[balmy condor]

I guess maybe we forced max rupture with exsang? but I don't remember forcing rupture, just garrote

[loud niche]

Wasn't there something for combat in MoP? I vaguely remember with red buff they wanted to use max cp

[grim jay]

Ye

Max cp rupture

[balmy condor]

love exsang

repressed memories

thanks for bringing back the trauma

my therapist will be hearing about this

[grim jay]

Ngl I really loved it. Even more so the legion prepatch version

Rip my beloved

[balmy condor]

I will stand firm that exsang is the singular worst thing they ever added to assa

[grim jay]

Its somewhat counterintuitive by design

But Stockholm yknow

[wraith knot]

I think it was from a youtube guide and I'm so confused by it

[grim jay]

Yeah just use the wowhead guide

[wraith knot]

I hope I didn't catch any other bad habits lmao

[grim jay]

Or whispyrs yt videos

That guy sounds sexy aswell

[loud niche]

I can't watch that guy's videos

Distracts me from learning

[strange onyx]

Amen

[wraith knot]

https://tenor.com/view/bruh-lick-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-15450079

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1080392696373452811/1128466537905406072/3B730FDB-5193-49AA-A4E0-14A735139AC4.gif

[loud niche]

Terrible loa of misinformation

[grim jay]

Why is it smaller than

Something else

[wraith knot]

Wait so

Sorry if I missed it but

Was this answered?

[olive wagon]

Do you do deathmark before applying the improved garrote or other way arround?

[wraith knot]

The garrote thing

[balmy condor]

it's not a snapshot so it doesn't matter

[grim jay]

Ye just build to 5+

With whatever fits your situation

[wraith knot]

No no the garrote thing

So if you were in stealth and you refresh garrote

Does it extend improved

[grim jay]

Yes

[wraith knot]

Okay thanks perfect

Ohh wait you stealth -> garrote or vanish -> garrote and then garrote immediately after and then rupture?

[dire smelt]

garrote immediately after garrote doesn't make sense to me tho

cuz u would get more dps weaving in a fan of knives

[wraith knot]

Yeah my brain is also cooked by this but that's how I'm reading it

[dire smelt]

so I dont thikn it means to do it in that exact order its just saying to use it before garrote expires or maybe it was made when garrote gave 3 + 3 like davyn was saying

[analog field]

You want to spread the garrote with 30 sec remaining. That's why you double garr and then after rup you ct

[dire smelt]

bc if garrote did ever give 3 + 3 then ye it would maek sense

[wraith knot]

OH

[grim jay]

Thats how it usually works because you get 3cp, but with it not working you can also garr fok garr in aoe or garr Mut garr St

You just want the extended duration prior to ct

[dire smelt]

u gotta press something else before rupture to get 5+ cp tho

[analog field]

yeah press something :p

[dire smelt]

ye so u would press

garrote fan garrote rupture

[analog field]

we are talking about a single GCD that deals 0.1 of your dmg

press w/e you want

[strange onyx]

2nd worst thing is that god awful coin talent that made us lose damage

[wraith knot]

Lmao

He's got a point but we are trying to tryhard

[grim jay]

You are trying to tryhard around a bug

[analog field]

the difference between mut and fok and CT for a single GCD is not gonna break your dmg

[dire smelt]

i mean its not even abt tryharding its abt having a clear understanding of the class

[analog field]

I usually fan cause there are like 3-4 mobs around me in these cases

Your goal is to gar gar rup

that is your end goal and this is what you should understand

[dire smelt]

I thought the whole point of theory crafting is to min max and say what is absolutely optimal

[analog field]

it doesn't really matter what you do in between

I mean the most optimal thing is to gar like 5 sec after the first gar

[dire smelt]

I mean btw the confusion came from the order saying to garrote even though you would have less than 5 cp

which is

a big damage difference

[analog field]

but if you do it immediately you lose like 2 ticks of improved garr across an entire pull. So you do like 1m DPS on a pull and you lose what? 2k

[dire smelt]

so its not even like this discussion is over something minor

[analog field]

I think that even rupturing on 4 would result in no difference

that's why I am saying it is fine

[dire smelt]

really you miss an entire fatebound

coin toss

[analog field]

yeah I know but what is the difference in dmg

[dire smelt]

but why would u ever want to do that

[analog field]

you don't. I am saying we are analysing something that makes almost no difference whatever you end up doing

Ofc losing a coin is not optimal but in the grand scheme of things it is nothing

just fok and go on

[dire smelt]

I mean min maxxing damage is the difference between being a parse higher or lower so it matters imo

thats why ppl spend insane amounts of gold on consumables

[analog field]

No this will do nothing for your parse

A consumable is 10x times more important than this

Consumables and enchants at the moment is like 10-15% of your dmg this is barely 0.2

[grim jay]

Actually not tbf, its about whats optimal and still possible for a human. The theory behind 2x garrote is based on it not being bugged tho. Yet again you wont see a diff on the meter if you garr garr fok or garr fok garr, even less so if you garr mut garr or garr garr mut

[dire smelt]

I think everything being discussed here is very possible for humans

[grim jay]

Ye it was just an overall statement

Because there have been things that arent

That didnt get included even if better in theory

[analog field]

It depends on the pull. m+ is random. If you are close to 1 mob you mut if you are close to 4 you fok

[warped moon]

garr garr garr garr garr

[analog field]

Like spam a 3rd gar even this should be fine 😂

[hasty viper]

Sometimes simplifying things for yourself is a much bigger dps increase for you than trying to minmax every single detail. It takes the mental load off, that's why very often people in guides say ,,This X thing will increase your damage by 1%, I recommend not doing it because it's annoying/bugged/hard to remember" whatever

[dire smelt]

I mean missing a free fatebound coin toss sounds rly bad to me but I don't have actual numbers to verify that but yh

[hasty viper]

Now you're talking my language, bleed spec fr

[wraith knot]

arf arf

[warped moon]

garrs just wanna have fun

[analog field]

Yeah but I said even this is kinda ok while having proposed 3 other things

[wraith knot]

You're the bomb, Gabby.

[grim jay]

How would you miss one tho, the finisher rules dont change

[warped moon]

i love u

[analog field]

The best is to gar fok gar

or gar fok rup gar

even better

[rugged basalt]

Don’t speak for me, I’m capable of lesser

[dire smelt]

well this ss implies using garrote on 4cp

[strange onyx]

Bleed build is silly

Poison runs supreme

[grim jay]

No it just looks like it and it even is the result of a bug only

ALWAYS finish on 5+ is the superior rule

[dire smelt]

wdym bug

[grim jay]

Of everything

[dire smelt]

ye ofc we all agree on that

[grim jay]

You usually should indeed get 3cp per garrote

[dire smelt]

ah

[wraith knot]

Rory they are just talking from the perspective of non-new or returning player and we are looking at it from the perspective of the aforementioned

[dire smelt]

well ig the guide should be updated to clarify then

because

it doesnt do that

[grim jay]

The rule is always finish at 5+ and that takes priority

Over every sequence you see

[dire smelt]

ye

idk

like

u realise I agree

im just saying that

[wraith knot]

I understand Rory's confusion and even if it's not that important, we are just new/returning players trying to do the right thing, especially since rogue dps isn't the best right now, personally I am trying to min max best I can because I don't want to let my guildies down. That's all.

[dire smelt]

either blizzard needs to fix this bug ur talking abt

or

the guide should probably say

build to 5

for da opener

im just saying the opener sequence is innacurate as how it currently stands in game right now

idk when or why garrote gave 1cp

and when it gave 3cp on the second cast like ur saying

but its different now

[dire smelt]

ye I mean I haven't been confused for like half an hour now

it got instantly clarified for me once I realised that it was written at a time where garrote gave 3cp twice

[wraith knot]

Fair enough, but I just used the word confusion to shorten my explanation

I do agree that if a guide is talking about the optimal sequence it is kinda silly to leave it incorrect

[dire smelt]

yeah the 3rd sequence since I have aoe selected on opener should be fan of knives

idk for how long its been like this but yeah

also somewhere in the guide I also noticed it said that blind with airborne irritant is an aoe stun which is also inaccurate now

altho hopefully next patch that will be accurate again

[wraith knot]

Lmao I should get into making these kinda AI arts this is hilarious

(I don't give a fk about bdk just saying the art is funny)

[dire smelt]

brainrot

[grim jay]

Just now it got bugged and the priority page kinda states everything to know. There also are cases where you wanna cut down on the aoe opener due to time constraints and stuff. That said, even if you were to 4cp rupture there while not having such case, it doesnt matter that much. You dont deal more damage in itself if your rupture has more cp, only the duration is longer until you have to refresh

Aoe openers arent really rigid

[wraith knot]

Yeah or like your main target is casting and lagging behind, then I mutilate

(Altho I was doing it to 7 combopoints, so I did learn something new here)

[rugged basalt]

TIL

[wraith knot]

fr

[dire smelt]

I just figured the coin toss is the main reason u always wanna be at 5+

[grim jay]

Not really

But also a point, even if its just the follow up fatebound provides to double down on that rule

[rugged basalt]

My knowledge has mostly been reading wowhead and then reading this while at work

[grim jay]

You do 5+ even if you play deathstalker

[rugged basalt]

It’s been nice finding rogues in my raids they’ve given me so much useful insight

[wraith knot]

I'm that one guy playing rogue in my guild

It's kinda cool ngl but also a lot of work

[cunning needle]

ummm, uhhh, guys I can't hold it in anymore i- GRRRRRRRRRRR WOOF WOOF BARK BARK ARF BARK GRRRR WOOF SNARL HSSSS GRRRR WOOF WOOF BARK ARF GRRRR HSSSS WOOF WOOF BARK ARF GRRRRR HSSSSS BARK ARF GRRRR WOOF WOOF BARK GRRR SNARL ARF WOOF BARK ARF SNARL HSSSSSS

[wraith knot]

awoooooo

https://giphy.com/gifs/westminsterkennelclub-dog-dogs-l0EwY9tLavkS7pOMM

[dire smelt]

its just like if not incredibly niche optimisations how else do you achive thanos parses

[runic hinge]

Idk I just press mut envenom

[dire smelt]

yeee

i lowk be doing that one too

but its like

if everyone and their mother pressing mut envenom

u gotta do something that gives u an edge

u sippin what im pissin

[grim jay]

Parses arent only player effort

[dire smelt]

yeah that is very true

parses can get giga boosted by having a good raid group

im just a chud puglord

tryna pug my way through heroic tomorrow

just finished my normals

[grim jay]

Early on getting lucky with gear is really huge, raid group plays a role, killtimers are important, if you can pad and others cant plays quite a role sometimes

[rugged basalt]

I’m on loan for the season I’m playing NA raids on EU time

[wraith knot]

Goddamned immigrants (jk)

[wraith knot]

I got super confused with my parses, second raid I did last night my parse on alleria normal (we got kill) was way better than my first raid (I fixed my graphics settings and so on, turns out I couldn't see shit because I was .. seeing too much shit? ok blizz)

But then we tried dreamrift heroic and my parse was bad again, but I was probably messing up a few things, that's why I came here on advice of a guildie cause I was asking how I could improve, but they can't really help me since they don't play rogue lol

I'm still a bit confused as to what is causing the massive differences, but they've told me it's likely people getting lucky with tier set pieces and the hero piece (I didn't get either basically, my hero piece in delves was a crap trinket that I just didn't wanna even use)

I also think the 5 point rupture thing is gonna help a lot because I was probably wasting a lot of time and energy on that

[dire smelt]

send da logs

[grim jay]

That and you can pad on the adds, the less dmg your group does to them the more you can pad

[wraith knot]

Nah bro I'm gonna get shat on

[grim jay]

Also killtimer

[wraith knot]

I'll send logs after I can't figure out how to improve anymore maybe but not in the mood right now to get yelled at or degraded lmao had a terrible morning

[grim jay]

We usually are really friendly with log reviews tbf

[wraith knot]

Yeah I also think it was cause I was still practicing the actual mechanics of the raid and still focusing on my rotation too much causing me to forget sometimes to use deathmark right away or I'm using something at a bad timing etc

[dire smelt]

I can send my logs if anyone wants to look but I also feel like I could probs self review and just cross reference with top parses anyways but maybe it could be insightful

also I only have normal parses idk how much normal parses even matter if at all

[wraith knot]

Yeah it's honestly just my current mental state in all likelihood, I'mma just try and improve by myself a bit longer before I ask people to go into detail and give me criticism

I mean honestly my parse in voidspire doubled from first raid to yesterday's raid

So I'm doing good enough for now, I'll just keep researching by myself and figuring out how to look at logs by myself until I hit a wall

My guildies keep telling me not to overthink it or burn myself out so it's not like they're having any issues with it, we even pruned the raid twice on our heroic dreamrift tries and they kept me, so I must be doing decent for now

[analog field]

I also have grey and green parses at the moment in both normal and heroic

It is really early. People have crafted weapons (some of them have waster hero crests also). Enchants gems etc

Parses are not accurate. Also most heroic clears are good guilds with good comps-timers so your parse will be way behind that in prolonged fights

[wraith knot]

Yeah thanks for mentioning that, it's reassuring lmao

[grim jay]

Also the diff is just a few k dps between purple and green sometimes rn

Like 5k dps or something

Thats an add pack dying faster

[analog field]

yeah i played sub on first boss and i parsed 1

with like 42k dps

and i had many above me having 43-44

like maybe a 45 could have been 30%

If you want to have a view of reality all star points are better

[wraith knot]

Star points?

[analog field]

its next to the parses, and it compares the dmg you did to the highest dmg parse

so it is more linked to the actual difference in dps rather than the position in the charts

[wraith knot]

This?

[dire smelt]

I mean i'll post my shi if anyone is kind enough to look https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/106533590

[wraith knot]

So how does it compare it?

I'm 93 of 303?

[analog field]

120 is the top dmg, and then it takes the ratio to it

93 are the points so you are like 93/120 of the top dmg

and with these points you are the 303 assa rogue

[wraith knot]

Holy shit that's terrible

Wait is that terrible

[analog field]

yeah but also you can check lorrgs there are usually 2-3 -5 logs that are just based on padding and are somewhat skewed

which boss is it

[wraith knot]

Alleria normal

So crown of the cosmos

[analog field]

yeah top parse is like 70

[wraith knot]

Yo wtf we almost had the exact same parse

[analog field]

you are like 8/10 of the dmg

[dire smelt]

which

[wraith knot]

So 10/10 here would be the top dmg? Or backwards?

I'm sorry man my brain is not brring this

[wraith knot]

On crown of the cosmos

Everywhere else you're way ahead of me tho

[analog field]

yeah 120 points is for the top dmg

and then you get a ratio of the dmg in points

so if i do 100k and you do 50

you get 50% of 120

so 60

[wraith knot]

OHHH

[analog field]

now you are like 8/10 of the top parse

[wraith knot]

Bro what that's not even that bad no

[sharp viper]

Made an infographic. @balmy condor feel free to use it free of charge for your wowhead duties and such

[wraith knot]

Damn bro you richard feynman

[sharp viper]

you're welcome

[balmy condor]

beautiful

[analog field]

why are rogues that low? shouldn't they go on top ?

ah they are subs?

[wraith knot]

Pure dps class?

Whatever happened to those anyway

[rugged basalt]

A blizzard employee would see that and give unholy +25%

[wraith knot]

What does this mean?

I'm rank 880? o_O

If that's the case then there must be a 1000 rogue players rn

[rugged basalt]

My rank is good in heroic not because I’m good but because not many have cleared much of it

I’m hot ass holy

[balmy condor]

hot ass you say....

[wraith knot]

Bro we're so pro gets carried

[wraith knot]

[rugged basalt]

[wraith knot]

He's my hero, you should look into him if you dunno him

[warm vortex]

The bombastic side eye or the image I replied to

[wraith knot]

Careful Whispyr wants your ass

[rugged basalt]

I need to review what I’m doing wrong later

[wraith knot]

Why not both

[grim jay]

You are just jealous because he is ranked higher

[rugged basalt]

I can autopilot mechanics at least it’s a relief to know that

[wraith knot]

I can autopilot running off the edge when the raid leader yells wipe

Checkmate, atheists

[grim jay]

Actually a valuable skill

Saves time

Many cant follow

[wraith knot]

I've even shadowstepped to a guildie who was mid air

[warm vortex]

I literally just said my Easter break is 2 weeks to someone and it fucking autocorrected Easter to water

[wraith knot]

https://giphy.com/gifs/walkofftheearth-walk-off-the-earth-3ohhwytHcusSCXXOUg

[warm vortex]

Actually end my life

[strange onyx]

Yo you pros

Give me some tips for crown of the cosmos

[rugged basalt]

I don’t make mistakes in mech I just fumble doing actual damage if adds show up I get nervous and get distracted

[wraith knot]

Press buttons ignore mechanics and white arrows are cringe

[grim jay]

Play mechanics, deal the most damage and pray their HP reach 0 before yours do

[strange onyx]

Actual terrible advice

Try again

[wraith knot]

We're here to get help

[rugged basalt]

White arrows ouch oof owwie
Kill bad guy
Shadowstep
Sprint
Umm feint crimson vial

[wraith knot]

What kinda Loa are you

Bless us

Smh

[grim jay]

Idk we actually didnt bother pulling heroic crown

[strange onyx]

I help you clowns all the time. Now I need help

Time to help

[warm vortex]

Wear it nicely
Possess a good head shape
Then fucking slay queen 💅

[warm vortex]

No you don’t

[grim jay]

You never helped me before

Liar

[sharp viper]

no u

[rugged basalt]

I saw crown groups specifically looking for rogues and evokers
Are they leather stacking for cosmos? Why would they ever need a rogue

[warm vortex]

You are lit-er-ally trolling

[strange onyx]

That’s how losers think

[grim jay]

Actually I thought the same

[wraith knot]

litter-an-ally trolling

[grim jay]

But what can I do

Cant kill cosmos alone

[warm vortex]

Skill issue

[strange onyx]

Jani, is the loa of trash

[grim jay]

Everyone was like "whoa, some top guilds didnt kill them, stopped trying and said their gear is too bad. Lets just stop early"

[strange onyx]

What a goofy guild

Anyway back to me

[static glacier]

Rogue and evoker are the least played classes, more likely for groups to be missing the buff

[wraith knot]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-lilli-inspirational-quotes-gif-25672089

[strange onyx]

Put on your reading glasses analyze some logs and give me the rundown

[sharp viper]

not with that attitude

[wraith knot]

Don't stand in the circle that reduces damage, reduce damage bad

[sharp viper]

no rundown, just
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1231592737221120152

[grim jay]

https://tenor.com/view/penetration-oh-god-wood-log-lumber-gif-16186956

[sharp viper]

[strange onyx]

There’s no circle that reduces damage

There’s one that increases damage taken

[grim jay]

Thats fine

More damage is always good

[haughty flicker]

if im taking more damage that means im dealing more damage

[strange onyx]

I’m gonna kill Cosmos and it is no thanks to you lot

[haughty flicker]

my advice is to play spriest and pad on meters p1

and hope no one looks at logs and realizes you're useless p3 where it actually matters

[sharp viper]

honestly hella fun

[haughty flicker]

yeah p1 is legit the perfect spriest fight lmao

3t spread cleave, little shitters that constantly die and give you twist of fate, stacking damage amp that for some reason works with plink cleave

[grim jay]

Hey, gotta get through p1 to get to p3