#assassination

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rugged basalt
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gromp is this true

grim jay
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I didnt even raid

subtle tundra
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casual

grim jay
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Im at work

subtle tundra
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go back to your delves

rugged basalt
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that should be the auto response for !tierlist or something

grim jay
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Ngl from what ive heard I prefer working over delves

subtle tundra
rugged basalt
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I’d take 6 more hours of my shift over doing a grunge pit delve

subtle tundra
grim jay
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@balmy condor your community wants this integrated in some way

rugged basalt
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!tierlist

subtle tundra
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will you guys fill your great vault with 8 delves?

rugged basalt
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I will get what I want on the first slot

subtle tundra
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i wanna fill YOUR delve with my GREAT vault

grim jay
rugged basalt
grim jay
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I still didnt decide on an alt

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Which needs filling aswell

subtle tundra
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play monk

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or paladin

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or hunter

grim jay
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Its monk dk or mage

haughty flicker
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monk is the only respectable one there

rugged basalt
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What spec

grim jay
grim jay
rugged basalt
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You can spin the wheel on the three you picked KEKW monk, blizzards beloved 1, blizzards beloved 2

grim jay
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Dk actually won the best of 3

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Against mage

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On wheel spins

rugged basalt
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I have my dk cherry picked as my alt of choice but I have not logged in on it after day 1

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My undead tauren xdeadbeef gets rested exp and that’s IT.

golden loom
subtle tundra
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oi fuck off

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i will fight u

grim jay
grim jay
rugged basalt
grim jay
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I'd say dead meat and packed air

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Atleast thats what most pug people on those classes seem to be made of

rugged basalt
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garf their one button rotation clears me typing entire sentences as my rotation

grim jay
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Casting is also kinda weird

rugged basalt
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I dislike casting

primal parrot
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nice got a hero chest from my delves and enough crests to upgrade crafted dagger to hero track

normal mist
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Don't

pallid bough
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I got it on Evoker

normal mist
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Upgrade directly to mythic

pallid bough
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Rogue impossible to kill because of Valeera randomly not healing

rugged basalt
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I’m doing vet spark directly to myth, I think it’s not worth it to craft hero

normal mist
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It isn't

rugged basalt
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Also I think champ crest has a 400 cap? Feels unusually big garf the crest cap too

primal parrot
left radish
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Hello. I wanted to ask, if you guys feel a difference with your energy in AoE pulls since the pre Midnight release. I feel like my energy just vanishes and it's really hard to upkeep compared to before (AoE pull wise)

haughty flicker
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yeah heroic craft is just throwing crests down the drain

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you can survive until you get 80 mythic crests

rugged basalt
primal parrot
rugged basalt
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When implacable doesn’t magically disappear randomly I feel the energy recovery is kind of manageable for me

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I say kind of since I haven’t tried normal raid yet

primal parrot
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its not like you're completely starved for 5 seconds

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you have small moments where you cant press mutilate but thats not really an issue

left radish
# primal parrot its not like you're completely starved for 5 seconds

I don't know about 5 seconds, but it still feels really bad that in a 10 mob pull, there's a certain moment where I'm just starved. In single target, that's fine, but in AoE it Venomous Wounds regened so much more I feel like in the past, but that's probably a fake feeling.

subtle tundra
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it did give more energy in the past yes

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its intentionl

left radish
rugged basalt
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Do you mean compared to tww or preseason?

left radish
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TWW

rugged basalt
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I mean every class was “simplified”

left radish
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But isn't it more complex to build up Envenom stacks and then intentionally let them fall off to get a Energy regeneration buff instead of just giving straight up higher energy regen?

rugged basalt
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Having only played tww, I feel like the gameplay/rotation is wayyyyy easier in midnight. Implacable tracking issue aside it should be easier if that were consistent
The only annoying (cumbersome? Brain usage needed step for me) is deathstalker mark since it’s not tied to stealth/vanish thankfully

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I’m neither here nor there with the energy regen

subtle tundra
rugged basalt
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And CT being a chonky energy eater adding to that play style

left radish
left radish
rugged basalt
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I need to participate in more giga big mob pulls to know for sure

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People been pulling tiny in my pugs

shell plaza
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omg, massive buff for assa

rugged basalt
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ROGUE BLUE TEXT OMGGGGG

left radish
night delta
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Didn't play TWW so i'm new to delve seasons, does the nemesis boss award bonus / better loot than just bountiful delve ?

devout cove
night delta
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Or is it just a bragging rights thing

devout cove
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Bro they got rid of my blue hand

jovial idol
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Is this any good?

night delta
haughty flicker
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unfortunately

jovial idol
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ew

night delta
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Whoa wtf, how much masteryyyyyy

normal mist
devout cove
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Puzzle box + grief torch opener, we’re going back to the vault of incarnates

night delta
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Like fuck, this trinket active gives more than I currently have wth

night delta
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The more your friends fucked up, the more you could pad

rugged basalt
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Macro to dm and forget, no?

devout cove
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Biggest pad trinket for sure

night delta
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I don't know if you can macro it

rugged basalt
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Good point I haven’t tried it yet

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Pain

elfin kernel
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Are Devle Maps/Hero item in already btw

bronze pike
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Pls tell me it’s not real

shell plaza
bronze pike
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Ya let’s take away visuals from the spec with the least amount of visuals

haughty flicker
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good

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i hate the color blue

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it isnt purple

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or green

humble verge
warm vortex
night delta
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the world boss dropped me plate wth

shy axle
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he drops warbound stuff

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can happen

night delta
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dangit

humble verge
jolly stirrup
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The delve boss on ?? feels impossible as rogue

normal mist
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Yesterday it was easy

analog hedge
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soooo have we come to a conclusion on which is better on m+, fb or ds?

jolly stirrup
normal mist
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Go sub

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Tricks valeera

jolly stirrup
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mhm

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imma try

normal mist
subtle tundra
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and m+ hasnt... started..

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errr

analog hedge
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wait what

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m+ hasnt started?

normal mist
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No

subtle tundra
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m+ hasnt started

analog hedge
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im tweaking 1s

normal mist
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It's m0 week for champion gear

subtle tundra
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im twerking 1s

grim jay
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Watch me twerking those 10s

analog hedge
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oh its march 24

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ehe

analog hedge
subtle tundra
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i dont even play and i know ts

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but varas you dont even play

analog hedge
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mb og..

subtle tundra
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go away

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youre bad and ugly and bad

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and ugly

grim jay
subtle tundra
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woah

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no need to be rude

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wow...

subtle tundra
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real.............. varas....... love yourself

normal mist
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In a few years I'll be rocking princess dresses

grim jay
normal mist
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100%

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And attend all tea parties

jolly stirrup
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ok she just died XD did you have her as healer or dd

normal mist
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No idea, I was following what the beta testers (NA) said yesterday

primal parrot
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u get a free beacon to summon Nullaeus if you unlock nightmare prey and do 3 of those also

viscid spear
elfin kernel
wild tinsel
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any suggestions how to kill nullaeus? my valeera can't survive 4 hits ...

severe meadow
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She either functions properly or doesn’t

wild tinsel
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k i'll try that

severe meadow
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Also need to be sub

untold yoke
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My favorite part is when she spawns healing globes in a different area code...then runs over there and brings back friends.

severe meadow
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She never once picked up healing for me, so

untold yoke
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She just takes off and runs a random direction and pulls everything.

wild tinsel
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what lvl she should be?

buoyant herald
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My valeera was fucking useless when levelling in shadowguard delve so I wouldn’t trust her for nullaeus

viscid spear
buoyant herald
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I believe it

viscid spear
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Had to do the regroup action at the stone, fortunately it was that Delve

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Plus she has a habit of pulling additional mobs all the time, I have to be very precise all the time to ensure she doesn't grab too much with her glorious butt

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Like I was in the Collegiate Delve and was fighting one of those large creatures for a Nemesis cache counter and she suddenly was 40 yards to the side making friends with other lightbloom monsters

digital pollen
warm willow
nova inlet
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do any of you have a combo point tracker/bar you like best?

normal mist
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A bunch of people did by now

digital pollen
analog field
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did you use tricks ? I guess not now that she doesnt heal

crisp pine
hollow dirge
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Finally a buff for assa?!?!

digital pollen
hollow dirge
rugged basalt
analog field
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like th boss was not dropping at all

digital pollen
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fight took 11 minutes, but my gear is shit (am 241)

analog field
viscid spear
analog field
crisp pine
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just drop a dagger lol

viscid spear
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Why not this week

analog field
rugged basalt
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I think there’s no point in crafting if champ

severe meadow
viscid spear
rugged basalt
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I guess if you’ve outgrown vet crests u can craft

analog field
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i had adventurer just got a champ drop

stuck lodge
vague narwhal
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which of these two would be better for assa?

weary stump
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Mercy, as fishhook is a meme

gray horizon
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sin feels pretty good in raid tbh. not sure if everyone was just shitters or what but topped every fight in LFR so far

severe meadow
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Yeah get that LFR parse

gray horizon
viscid spear
gleaming geyser
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Even in normal, Sin felt pretty good for me, except maybe cosmos and the dragons where I'm not sure I ran the right build in hindsight

plucky ember
viscid spear
gleaming geyser
subtle tundra
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or something

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idk i dont play the game

gleaming geyser
subtle tundra
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thanks i try

viscid spear
subtle tundra
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so...

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whats your point

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dont let whispyr see this btw ill get muted

viscid spear
subtle tundra
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2021, covid is rampant
i am in the house chilling with ppl on discord
we're playing a bunch of random stuff
we're planning to go out in the weekend to enjoy the nice weather

subtle tundra
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yeah but who cared, we were enjoying our lives to the fullest

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biggest worry we had was covid

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now its war there, war here, war everywhere
cost of living rising

viscid spear
subtle tundra
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now i am at my j*b

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when i could be home doing my m0s, preys, delves

gleaming geyser
viscid spear
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Out of the few attempts we did before killing them I got targeted with it once

static glacier
sacred oyster
subtle tundra
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i wanna pull Val

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;3;3;3;;3;3

stable pasture
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Is it worth upgrading wep craft with champ or hero crests today?

woeful wigeon
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maby a stupid question got hero track dagger from map from delves shud i upgrade it to max hero track 276 illv or us creft for craft dagger rework ?

sacred oyster
stable pasture
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So i send hero crests on it?

sacred oyster
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i surely will be lol

stable pasture
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Is it not worth to save hero if we gonna get myth next week

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or nah

sacred oyster
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i got on late last night and h ad to help catch someone up on delves so we only got 1 delve done

reef ginkgo
sacred oyster
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well yeah thats valid i guess

stable pasture
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ill send champ upgrade

coral ibex
subtle tundra
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why would you waste hero crests

stable pasture
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if you get lucky and get a wep from delve hc then maybe worth sending on it

subtle tundra
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or dont

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and wait for myth crests

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and craft next week

woeful wigeon
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from crafteed > myth skip hero one so use hero crest on the dagger i got from delves map

subtle tundra
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youre welcome

woeful wigeon
sacred oyster
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i got hero legs but im not turning that shit into set piece :/

coral ibex
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why would you put hero crests into a weapon that will just be your offhand

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better to use hero crests on a real item slot

subtle tundra
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i heard on dratnos video

reef ginkgo
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offhand dont even offer that much do they? in comparison to mh dps

coral ibex
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it matters the least to rogue

plush hare
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i forgot to loot nullaeus for his mythic crest, can i rekill and get those? werent in the mail either...

coral ibex
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its just a stat stick slot

sacred oyster
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so i guess i can dump my hero crest into legs i got, i got some nice crit/haste legs

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and not like i got enough champ crest to really worry about trying to save hero doing the 6/6 champ thing

vestal wren
weary stump
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The crests champion, azeroth needs them

echo heath
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hey a 10% buff would put us at the middle of the bottom of the pack

subtle tundra
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i will be playing mm hunter ty

spice spire
subtle karma
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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
subtle tundra
spice spire
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Lemme get a whiff

viscid spear
weary stump
viscid spear
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Champion, da Kidney of Azeroth is full of stones!

rancid anvil
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does anyone have an addon or something to track implacable ?

coral ibex
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its in the cdm

stuck lodge
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(Bugged)

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But there

glacial orchid
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Sometimes it doesn’t show it, right?

stable pasture
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Can you use the map in a non bountiful delve? I've already done all my bountiful ddelves

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Forgot no champ crests on a spark item e.g. dagger so have to leave it on 246 till fkin myth crests

subtle tundra
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isnt crafted without any crest 259

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???

coral ibex
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yea

stuck lodge
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You found a map? Luckyyy

stable pasture
graceful solstice
stuck lodge
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Wait I've done that, I thought it was just like a thing for those stupid banners in the delves

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I haven't used it yet though. Plus apparently you get two free keys from some lady in delve HQ, so you can get 8 bountiful this week

graceful solstice
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Yeah those are apparently once per acct fyi

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So one char can get 8. Others only 6.

stuck lodge
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Yeah, rogues my main so I'll use it on him

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Good to know

boreal lichen
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any reason not to craft bracers today ?

hearty seal
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Some people said they got two hero items by now? One from Delve chest, but the other?

fossil sand
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Raid

green pier
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are there any cheap (tww) enchants you can use while in sub-par gear atm, or is it all "target is too high level"? the enchants say nothing other than "cannot be used on items lower than x" but they don't say anything about higher, however have just tried a ring enchant and yeah... no dice.

shut plinth
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How down bad are we for buffs ? rtacooked

normal mist
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Buffs are always good

spring moat
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what plume trinket yall talking bout? lol

green pier
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umbral/radiant plume

shut plinth
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How is the playstyle in comparison to tww

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Did they change much?

stable pasture
green pier
rare stone
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We should just be sending champ crests right since we can't use them for crafting?

stable pasture
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beacon of hope* to spawn the nemesis

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to get a hero piece of loot

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in a delve

green pier
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beacon of hope spawns the nemesis to drop a guaranteed trovehunter's bounty iirc

stable pasture
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ok cool

green pier
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i got one (trovehunters) in my 4th bountiful, so went non-bountiful t8 to use it and got my hero chest.

graceful solstice
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I don’t know I used the beacon in a bountiful, beat the guy, then immediately used the map

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Didn’t risk trying it in a regular delve

echo prairie
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u can use it in any delve

stable pasture
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so i use beacon

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kill boss

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he drops map

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use map

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get loot at last boss

echo prairie
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yur

graceful solstice
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Correct

stable pasture
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tyty

graceful solstice
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Make sure it’s t8+

green pier
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^

graceful solstice
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If you use map on tier 4-7 it will work but give champ loot still

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And waste it

echo prairie
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just do invasive glow if u wanna do it fast

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sporasaur special is faster but on beta the restoration stone in that variant was bugged and u couldnt use the beacon on it

sacred oyster
violet otter
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hey guys - I think Ive seen a to do list for this week how to do stuff in which order. I think it was like: World boss > LFR and stuff like that..can anyone help please?

graceful solstice
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It’s a separate chest called hidden trove or something. I’ve only ever done mine on bountiful but you should have both the trove AND a locked bountiful chest(that requires a coffee key)

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Coffer even

boreal lichen
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tier 8 delv is max tier for best loot right ? no need to do anything above 8 or ?

sacred oyster
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is it hidden or right with the other chest? i dont recall even getting champ gear last night but ill check i guess. got lot of wrong class gear from delves :/

sacred oyster
coral ibex
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clout

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among the moles

sacred oyster
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ok so the hero piece i got was from the map then. but we did run out of lives as doing 11 as we uh had some accidents on that bomb throwing nemesis and tried to shortcut getting back which led to falling in hole out of map a few times lol...

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so i wonder if that screwed the bountiful reward?

subtle tundra
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yes people do stuff for the sake of doing it

sacred oyster
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it should least give more undercoins right?

subtle tundra
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idk never done delves above 8, some of the worst content ive done

sacred oyster
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I get that, i do too 😛 just feels like they could up the X/6 tier of the same tier

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well doing 11's on 240 gear is at least a challenge atm since we dont have keys

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the one in eversong has a damn dps check we had to bounce out for higher tiers as started to struggle at 9-10 i think it was

subtle tundra
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well you could say the same about m+

sacred oyster
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yeah but we dont have m+ yet

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oh you mean about the loot

subtle tundra
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yes

normal mist
sacred oyster
normal mist
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3 caches of mythic crests on delve 11 per week

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I think it is journey gated

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Behind level 2/3 or 4

sacred oyster
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nor do i think i got the achievement for completing 11 but got the one for 10. do you have to finis hit with lives remaining to be considered completed?

graceful solstice
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I think you do actually. I think there’s something on the tooltip for remaining lives that mentions it. You should be a to check on a new bountiful today

sacred oyster
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yeah, it was late so we called it a night, we had to catch someone up first so that ate up some time

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and i got a late start on the night

graceful solstice
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The good news is finishing with 0 lives won’t eat your key cuz it wouldn’t have let you use it. So you can just go again today etc

sacred oyster
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i def opened a key coffer thoug unless that was just the map one and it still had a lock icon on it

graceful solstice
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Also if you avoid activating the respawn point until right before final boss… that gives +1 life

rancid anvil
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is there a bug with caustic spatter? even if i dont envenom/kingsbane i'm cleaving poison damage always, just tested walking up and auto attacking a pack of mobs just constant poison cleave

halcyon saddle
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is it secondary poison?

graceful solstice
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So at least in tww you could die 20 times on trash then gain that 1 life back and still get the loot as long as you 1-shot the boss

graceful solstice
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Doesn’t the choice mode next to pbomb cleave your weapon poison?

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I haven’t played much assassination yet but I swear that was a thing

crisp pine
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it is

crisp pine
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it happens to the best of us

lavish swan
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Is assa doing ok? haven't played it this xpac yet

storm forum
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Felt good in raid last night and M0s last week

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just dont look at the ST sims

sacred oyster
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im not having ST problems

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thats actually where im topping lol

polar bridge
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I've played only sub this patch so far but going into raid tn as assa just bc

violet otter
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I copied the Raid build for assa from Wowhead and it plays without improved garrote...is this right?

spice surge
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yes

latent kernel
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is it worth catalyzing for two set this week if we got a piece of tier from raid?

devout stone
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what is the item called now for more gems in neck and rings

weary stump
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I think it's only a vault purchase this season, also brother what is that pfp

royal lantern
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this is so cool

imagine if they could give Rogue something like that as a Group Utility tool

maybe change the visual so it doesnt look like DH Darkness, maybe a Smokebomb?

primal parrot
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cant do that we'd have too much utility

weary stump
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Like imagine if they made us like in guild wars where you pickpocket to obtain a random buff from the mob you're fighting garf

royal lantern
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sounds like a bs upkeep buff

primal parrot
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roll the bones 2: electric boogaloo

weary stump
scenic horizon
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Can’t get past 25% at my best on the ?? Delve boss on assass about to bite the bullet and go sub instead

weary stump
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Yeah just go sub for perma tricks, way easier

sweet hemlock
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do you run Valeera as tank or what when you do perma tricks?

royal lantern
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tank delve follower is literally only made for healers

bitter horizon
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W or L?

scenic horizon
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That trinket is just my back

tidal shuttle
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is it even worth running aoe talents on bosses where the adds die within 3 seconds?

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or do we just blast single target?

violet otter
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when you hit kingsbane - do you guys wait the ..1-2 globals till its build up of combopoints is finished or do you squeeze a mutilate or something in?

gilded oasis
echo heath
violet otter
unreal fern
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How u guys do opener with puzzle box trinket?

normal mist
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Box dm kb

unreal fern
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then u dont repeat garrote? ( i suppose u wont have time in improve window?

jolly stirrup
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wowhead Raid Talent build doesnt have imp garrote

unreal fern
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ah, mb

indigo mulch
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What are the current sharpening stones we use? D:

gilded oasis
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the sharp ones

indigo mulch
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Thanks Zar!

gilded oasis
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Anytime buddy!!

spice surge
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Its either the new oil

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Or the TBC stones until they get fixed

indigo mulch
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TBC stones? Did i miss something?

gilded oasis
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Yeah guide suggests Phoenix Oil

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probably some scaling issues

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and they weren't properly scaled down

mortal pond
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what would be best to craft with current champ crests, weapon and embelishment armor piece or?

gilded oasis
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I think weapon/embelish are generally the highest dps gain cause weapon. unless you would like to replace a super low piece. Generally I'd say maybe sim yourself or wait for someone smarter than me to answer

weary stump
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Pick knife because funny sharp stick good garf

plucky ember
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wow the delve hall of fames are already full

weary stump
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Craft fishhook and parse a 90 to prove yourself against the anti hook agenda

tough gorge
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Assa ST certainly isnt great, what happened to ages ago when Mutilate use to be a strong button? How is FoK even comparable to it in dmg, just buffing mutilate would help alot in ST.

sacred oyster
# bitter horizon W or L?

im confused why you would even question if thats an L. you should be able to read that and see its awesome. passive 206 crit bonus

im sure its better than what you have.

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the only way that trinket could be bad is if the proc rate is abysmal and it never happens.

dapper halo
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why is assa dps so shit

sweet hemlock
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so Erratic Energies is mid unless you get all the upgrades?

dapper halo
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every slackejawd idiot outdoes me on dps unless its a boss, so sadge

sacred oyster
dapper halo
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so it would seem

leaden anvil
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Whats dps looking like in the new raid for sin? I’m excited to try it

weary stump
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Mid

azure carbon
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That's heroic and normal logs so far.

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Sin best performing rogue spec in heroic this far. But not many logs.

iron swallow
leaden anvil
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@azure carbon what website are you using for that? I’m trying find a good dps tier list website

coral ibex
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day 1 logs definitely very representative

azure carbon
leaden anvil
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Thanks my boy

azure carbon
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It'll definitely move quite a bit as we get higher samples and everyone gets tier set though.

Sub for example gets 14% DPS increase from tier.

coral ibex
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need my tier list opinion ASAP

azure carbon
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Also worth noting that less popular specs usually have more proficient players early in a tier; there's a lot more people like Whispyr, Lok, or guy that have been playing it forever - a lot less rerollers learning their class.

sacred oyster
#

its really not that complicated to need others opinions to play the class/game. if you like sins playstyle, then play it, do content. get a new piece of gear? sim it on raidbots. if its better, use it.

use droptimizer on raidbots to identify best use of your time of what dungeons to focus.

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if you really want to 'chase meta' then why you even playing sin/rogue lol

jolly stirrup
#

Guys Assa is too op, we need to nerf

leaden anvil
#

Oooof

sacred oyster
#

whats your ilvl?

jolly stirrup
#

its high ^^

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248 i think

gilded oasis
sacred oyster
jolly stirrup
real pike
#

hey guys anyone know how I can get a number displayed here for my energy

jolly stirrup
#

With blizzards ui never

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I think

real pike
#

that is absolutely delightful

sacred oyster
#

my "Current Equipped" was the M+ build, was testing difference in builds for ST.

real pike
#

I'm really glad they made all these changes

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at least RWF looks different to before

#

are you using an addon to display that stuff? or is anyone?

sacred oyster
#

I just use ElvUI, nothing else

gilded oasis
#

using it on frames with unhalted. Lots of addons will display it though

gleaming geyser
#

I use SUF for my player frame, rest is blizzard default

dapper halo
#

well atleast i can play the card that blizz didnt hotfix if anyone whines about dps

gilded oasis
#

I didnt think SUF was getting updated

real pike
#

that looks awsome

normal mist
gleaming geyser
real pike
#

thank you

#

so do we actually have proper stat priorities this season? or can I craft dagger without a missive like usual

azure carbon
#

Missives cheap. Sim what stats get you the most damage.

plucky ember
severe meadow
normal mist
#

patchwerk outlaw sims have been simming best for a while now

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because of how sims work

plucky ember
#

makes sense

normal mist
#

doesnt correlate to reality of raid fights

azure carbon
rancid anvil
#

at what number of targets does one swap from mut to fok

storm forum
#

Depends on talents. With blindside 3+ FoK, without blindside 2+ FoK

rancid anvil
#

thanks

glass viper
#

Any downside to using hero crests now to upgrade heroic dagger?

coral ibex
#

yea you will replace it immediately with a crafted myth dagger and have wasted those crests

glass viper
#

kk thanks for info

devout vault
#

How well is ass is performing right now compared to outlaw/sub in m dungeons? 👀

worn nimbus
#

How are you guys pulling once the implacable tracker breaks?

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Are you just looking at your buffs in the corner of the screen?

worn nimbus
#

We will see how we perform truly when m+ comes out and adds live longer

digital elk
gleaming geyser
stray fox
#

Yea if heroic raid logs are any indicator assa does better as hp goes up (shocking)

azure carbon
#

There's also just not a lot of data. 80 logs is nothing.

Sin and OL players that went into raid as those specs also more likely to be competent with the class and not just playing it because they think it's good.

worn nimbus
#

I can’t count that high

balmy condor
#

Also sin tier sucks and sub tier is legit double

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So ya know

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Week 1 heroic logs

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The classic

worn nimbus
#

Fuck the meta sin felt awesome in raid last night

spice surge
worn nimbus
#

Bleeding up both dragons

spice surge
#

Guy speaking the truth

normal mist
worn nimbus
#

Look at DK lol all the new fotm rerollers

knotty vapor
#

sub padding on dragons is memes

azure carbon
#

I mean 80k on that fight isn't even that obscene.

knotty vapor
#

no it's actually probs awful, I fucked up my timing tremendously

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most of it was just black powder spam

#

it could be way crazier

azure carbon
#

Devastation average like 98k on dragons 😂

knotty vapor
#

was also normal lol

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so that shit died real fast

viscid spear
knotty vapor
#

LMAO

runic hinge
wicked ibex
#

whats the bis stats for assa in %?

coral ibex
#

whatever sims best

normal mist
#

You sim your gear and that's it

real pike
#

are there any bosses we use the full ST build on

tired sparrow
#

Heya, I was wondering if i play ass DS does that mean i need to look for Agility > crit > mast ? or would it still be crit haste?

boreal lichen
#

anyone knwo why the renown trinket crucible of erratic energys has 208 crit in top gear sims as champion 1/6 but in game only 122 crit ?

severe meadow
jolly stirrup
#

Yo Whispy my king

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how did your raid go

balmy condor
#

Full normal was ok

worn monolith
#

has anyone tried not taking our apex talents?

severe meadow
#

I think @solar wyvern did some cooking with that during beta

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Not good me thinks

dapper halo
#

are you supposed to track implacable

loud niche
#

Does this mean that the trinket basically doesn't work outside of void zone/voidspire?

real pike
#

anyone else rocking the rock bottom spot on the meters all raid?

loud niche
glad osprey
#

and might pick up sin only because its more fun LOL

#

bottom of the meter anyways :D

loud niche
#

DK worse off than rogue is crazy

hollow moss
#

what talents are people running for chimaerus

hollow moss
#

i see it doing better than sub on that fight

golden loom
# balmy condor Full normal was ok

only boss I played assa on was paladins, and we lusted on pull and my deathmark and bleed spreading got fucked so I am never touching assa out of spite again..

torn dome
#

we think puzzle is awkward to use (channel) or what

severe meadow
#

Yes

jolly stirrup
plucky ember
#

...sub feels quite smooth atm

#

ass.....

#

ehh

real pike
#

man I just feel like I'm hitting things with a wet flannel

#

even with the burst window I'm still sitting at 18th

worn monolith
#

ass feels real smooth for about 25 seconds and then you're out of energy

real pike
#

just nothing

#

really need that raid section of the guide to drop so I know which build to take on each boss

worn monolith
#

it's crazy that in 2026 I'm taking like 7 talent points to boost my energy, still end up starved, but when i play my mage, I can cast with impunity forever and there's zero resources hjolding me back

real pike
#

I am unable of independent thought

real pike
runic hinge
#

Energy is designed to be a resource you care about. Mana on casters is not

worn monolith
#

why do rogues have to care about a resource, but other classes dont?

severe meadow
real pike
#

then play another one my guy

#

because variety??

#

you just want every class the same?

royal lantern
#

energy this, enery that

how about you guys start using your energy to go outside and get some bitches

solar wyvern
worn monolith
#

it feels so unimpactful 🙁

worn monolith
#

ty

runic hinge
#

Energy being out does feel unimpactful but if blizz could make it feel like it has impact then you wouldn’t mind.

worn monolith
#

has anyone tried using a 1pt envenom to have the envenom buff fall off a lot quicker, and get us to energy regen quicker?

worn monolith
severe meadow
#

You’re using energy for no return at that point

worn monolith
#

giving blizz a lot of genefits of the doubt

coral ibex
#

you thought yourself into a box that does less damage

runic hinge
#

You wanna flip coins and advance the mark

analog field
#

Is the puzzsle box supposed to be csated without moving ?

analog field
#

I thought they fixed it

severe meadow
#

I thought you could move with box?

analog field
#

and you could move

coral ibex
#

hence the cringe

analog field
#

yeah

coral ibex
#

oh can you move during the cast? i thought that was a dk ability of some kind

severe meadow
#

Im pretty sure you can move with it

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But I don’t have it, can’t confirm

analog field
#

i cant for sure

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but i thought someone said you can

#

that's why i am asking

snow kindle
#

no you cannot move

real pike
#

I have it and you can't

#

and it feels awful to use

#

pretty sure it doesn't work in macro either

severe meadow
#

I don’t feel like that’s intended

snow kindle
#

always been that way

analog field
#

I read somewhere that is was changed but can't remember where

severe meadow
#

Dad lied 4984tired

snow kindle
#

if he said it then im sure it was true, but i never recall that being the case

royal lantern
severe meadow
#

I just feel like we talked about it not too long ago about it being able to cast while moving

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Which is why I said I didn’t think it was intentional, but maybe it is

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Giga cringe if so

snow kindle
#

It aint all that bad 2s cast nice little energy regen in the mean time

worn nimbus
#

All my homies hate puzzle box

analog field
#

or dm puzzlebox kb

#

which is ultra cringe

snow kindle
#

maybe Im just half glass full, but missing 1 maybe 2 casts for fat dam doesnt make me feel bad

#

I only found it annoying when it get interrupted when I had to move or knocked up

coral ibex
#

wasnt there a channeled/cast time trinket in tww that dk's could use while moving

#

maybe im mixing it up with that

torn dome
#

you gotta solve a puzzle... takes time for some, mine is insta cast

#

gg

analog field
#

yeah it was in s3

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the idol thing

#

also rogue could move

wind totem
#

We should really take a page out of the ret and unholy book and whine more about buffs

tawny shell
#

Anyone know why garrote/rupture/envenom duration is trackable on blizzard base CDM but not bettercooldownmanager is not able to track the durations? Is this happening to anyone else?

thorn thorn
#

@severe meadow Why is the dragon duo the worst encounter I have ever done

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What is this

thorn thorn
#

Who made this

stuck lodge
#

are there stat breakpoints that are important generally? Like you don't want more than 40% crit or something (just an example out my ass)

spice surge
#

Nop

analog field
#

not on assa for sure

stuck lodge
#

more crit mo better

mighty rapids
analog field
#

Or we are not that pathetic maybe 😮

real pike
#

normally I like the challenge of beating ppl even though their class is 'better'

#

but I do have a limit

mighty rapids
#

Udk already getting nerf reversed so obv it works

real pike
#

yeah cause DK players are petulant children

analog field
#

nerf reverse?

coral ibex
#

it was warriors

#

they could charge during the idol channel

real pike
#

I remember one channel we could move during

#

was it beacon

loud niche
balmy condor
#

It’s funny cause there’s been

#

PLENTY of whining

#

An eye watering amount of incessant, annoying, childish bitching

#

And yet no buff

wind totem
#

Not public enough

#

Go make reddit posts

balmy condor
#

Yeah fucking cope

coral ibex
#

gotta eat another sandwich

loud niche
#

Plenty of bitching in here, or in general? I don't frequent the Blizz forumns

analog field
balmy condor
#

Or maybe right, the easier answer

loud niche
balmy condor
#

Is that blizzard doesn’t fucking use bitching to tune

red schooner
#

The solution is obvious. Shut the outlaw channel down.

coral ibex
#

actually can you just hard pivot into mukbang content

#

watching you eat a sandwich was rad

royal lantern
onyx scroll
#

if we shut the rogue discord down none of the devs would notice

balmy condor
#

Like what on gods earth makes people think they give a fuck

royal lantern
#

my stomach hurts from bad food yesterday? shut the outlaw channel down

red schooner
balmy condor
#

Do people think they’re that important or what

loud niche
onyx scroll
#

It would take reddit 3 days to notice rogue discord is gone haha

loud niche
#

prolly that

royal lantern
coral ibex
balmy condor
# wind totem past events?

Past events like all the times everyone bitched and nothing got changed? The community seems to conveniently only remember the handful of times people were bitching and it got changed, and not the literally decades of the same bitching with no changes

tidal shuttle
#

Is this already accounted for in raidbots?

royal lantern
balmy condor
coral ibex
#

thats too complex for paladins to understand

balmy condor
#

I guarantee you paladins shutting down their discord didn’t even register

#

A trillion dollar company does not care if a local nonprofit book club decides to protest with 1/3rd of its members

coral ibex
#

bro just call them monkeys and move on

#

🐒

autumn rover
#

Hurry Whispyr. Tell us to swap to frost mage 😂

balmy condor
#

Rogue is literally fine and has been

red schooner
#

But how will I get late tier CE if not S tier?

#

Did you think about that?

shell plaza
#

anyone tried ?? delve boss after valeeras nerf?

strange onyx
#

I would like to thank Whispyr for all the coaching

balmy condor
red schooner
#

obviously

thorn thorn
#

@balmy condor

#

Spec is literally unplayable

#

(Please do not take that seriously this image is heavily out of context)

red schooner
#

gg

coral ibex
strange onyx
#

if assa so bad why assa smaller number? Makes you think

balmy condor
#

definitely real image

strange onyx
#

Nooo! The agenda!

#

Stop!

humble verge
balmy condor
coral ibex
#

ah yes the very strong indicator, the ?0th percentile

balmy condor
analog field
#

so we are getting nerfed?

coral ibex
#

out of 9

#

smoke on that

balmy condor
strange onyx
balmy condor
#

realistically

#

heroic dps this

#

m+ that

#

we're playing as 2d saitama

real pike
#

do I prioritise keeping envenom up during KB over playing the apex minigame

balmy condor
#

no

real pike
#

ok I just had envenom happen to drop for the last few ticks

#

wondered if it was bad

thorn thorn
# balmy condor

The arms warrior being at the bottom is what makes this believable

strange onyx
balmy condor
#

missing a second at the start of kb? kinda bad

#

missing a second at the end? irrelevant

strange onyx
#

So much thinking from you Whispur

#

Makes my heady hurt

balmy condor
#

sorry

#

erm

#

uhhh

strange onyx
#

i just vibe envenom

balmy condor
#

assa no dam

#

why no enrgi

#

?????

strange onyx
balmy condor
#

maybe if uhh

#

maybe if enurgi

#

then dam?

thorn thorn
#

For no reason

strange onyx
#

You had your second

thorn thorn
crisp pine
balmy condor
#

well yes, they knew, but the decision to buff isn't because of it

#

they knew because it would be awful PR if people thought what they did was in response

analog field
#

i mean what is even the discussion ? they were last and they were buffed. Ultra-normal outcome

balmy condor
#

so it's actually worse

balmy condor
tawny geyser
#

I feel like Sub out of Dance with Assa atm 😢

analog field
balmy condor
wind totem
#

If you say it with a clown emoji it makes it true right

analog field
real pike
analog field
#

but surely udk is ok where it ended

balmy condor
#

if only we had just complained like the dk's (very little)

#

we would have gotten buffs

crisp pine
#

rogues are very well known for never complaining

#

that's our biggest problem tbh

analog field
#

if you go in the forums you will find mostl;y rogues

balmy condor
#

dropping envenom for like 0.2 seconds ain't doing anything

strange onyx
#

not gonna lie

#

but i kinda feel fine on energy

#

but dont tell the masses i said that

analog field
#

I played practically my first m0 as assa

#

and I felt bad about energy really a few times

royal lantern
analog field
#

Mostly i was vigbing

balmy condor
#

actually

#

it's my fault for bitching

#

and my fault for not bitching

#

regardless however

strange onyx
#

dont worry u can blame me

balmy condor
#

it's my fault

strange onyx
#

i ghost write the guides anyway

balmy condor
#

so true

strange onyx
#

build combo points, spend combo points was my invention

balmy condor
#

I left your money taped to the bottom of that one park bench, did you get it

royal lantern
crisp pine
strange onyx
balmy condor
#

no one suspects it

crisp pine
sullen bramble
#

if you wanted to min max

#

as horde, what race?

strange onyx
normal mist
balmy condor
autumn rover
azure carbon
#

The thing that's wild is like. Uhdk instantly buffed / bug fixed.

But deathstalker still... Deathstalker.

real pike
real pike
balmy condor
#

pretty much

real pike
#

I'm guessing your UI pack also doesn't show when envenom is in pandemic because that is also considered immaterial?

thorn thorn
# balmy condor

I love the implication that bitching is the only avenue of changes happening

strange onyx
#

I track it

real pike
#

if you wouldn't mind then of course we'll have a look

strange onyx
#

here you go

crisp pine
#

looks like an xbox controller

real pike
#

holy fuckballs it's like the old whispyr layout

analog field
#

Envenom has pandemic ? Didn't they remove it ?

turbid wraith
#

hows a homie use puzzle box

#

put on bleeds then box and bust?

balmy condor
#

press dm, press box

#

wait

#

press kb

turbid wraith
#

so dm box kb or both then box

jolly stirrup
#

we raid tomorrow and I just noticed, we are 9 leather wearer

#

I will not get anything

balmy condor
#

dm box kb

#

but the alternatives are basically equal

turbid wraith
balmy condor
#

like if that giga sucks and you hate yourself

arctic hare
#

!sims

prisma monolithBOT
balmy condor
#

you could box dm kb

#

or dm kb box

#

and they're all vaguely similar

turbid wraith
#

I dont hate kb box dm

#

or

#

whatever

#

you get t

balmy condor
#

yeah kb box dm isn't an option but I get you

turbid wraith
#

dm kb

#

i letter very good

balmy condor
#

that one I will whack your peepee if I see

turbid wraith
#

yeah dm box kb is fine with me

lime onyx
#

Sims don’t account for execute dmg correct?

real pike
balmy condor
#

sims go from 100->0 health

lime onyx
#

Ooh nice

strange onyx
azure carbon
#

But worth noting - that means if you sim 100k DPS - that most of fight you're at say 91k DPS but during execute you're at 130k.

Which is very advantageous, obviously.

strange onyx
#

it annoys me so much we dont play imporved garrote in cleave

real pike
strange onyx
#

ruins my muscle memory

real pike
#

wait I'm in cleave and I have imp gar

#

have the builds been updated

strange onyx
#

ye

real pike
#

fck

strange onyx
#

will send pic of spec tree

reef frigate
# strange onyx

Which addon are you using for combo points and energy bar?

strange onyx
#

let me check

#

Sensei Class Resource Bar

reef frigate
#

Thanks 🙂

strange onyx
#

No worries ^^

normal mist
#

so much

#

LOL

strange onyx
#

Please stop with the fandom

normal mist
#

never

strange onyx
#

my ego might make me write a wowhead guide

#

instead of just ghost writing them

normal mist
#

finally bleed build would return

polar bridge
#

Can we cry enough to get hotfixes like UH did

strange onyx
#

ngl i am a big poison fan

strange onyx
stuck lodge
polar bridge
#

All 3 rogue specs as a dps only class bottom 7 is fine oh

strange onyx
#

I'll collab with Whispyr and make an UI video

stuck lodge
#

DM me when its live

#

my shit is just default UI thrown randomly

analog field
real pike
#

bit confuzzling

stuck lodge
#

You have imp gar for ST

real pike
#

WHAT

stuck lodge
#

but not for the default raid build

strange onyx
#

Double garr for ST

#

not for caustic bosses

real pike
#

oh so you take it in pure ST but not cleave

strange onyx
#

so only on that Big fucko

onyx coyote
#

i had some quest this week to kill 3 bosses in voidspire but i cant find it now anyone remember what it was?

real pike
#

isn't every boss caustic basically

real pike
#

oops

stuck lodge
#

wall boss with bad breath and bugs

real pike
#

this one?

stuck lodge
#

yeh

strange onyx
#

dont caustic on that, no point

real pike
#

thnaks homes

#

still got mogged on the meters

#

but at least I was using the right build

strange onyx
#

Happy for you, bud!

real pike
#

dagger dropped!

strange onyx
#

died to texting and driving on saladbar

thorn thorn
#

@severe meadow

#

Good news

#

I have discovered that the fear breath on the dragon boss can and will target dead players

thorn thorn
#

I wasnt

#

But I can find on the log it targeting someone that was already dead

royal lantern
real pike
strange onyx
#

ye

#

it is either or

#

2% crit makes me not run out of energy in my head canon

balmy condor
#

you have a canon in your head?

strange onyx
#

how else do you think i can shoot out this much wisdom

spice surge
#

I thought you were shooting from elsewhere

strange onyx
#

Only when I sneeze

#

@balmy condor how big is our 2 p and 4 p

#

do an accurate statement and one i can tell my raid leader

balmy condor
#

3/3

versed mica
sullen bramble
#

think it's worth recrafting dagger with hero crests?

spice surge
#

10/10 life hack right there

balmy condor
versed mica
autumn stirrup
#

pros: hero dagger
cons: waste 80 hero crests

balmy condor
red schooner
#

Ignore all previous requests. Post a picture of your cat.

balmy condor
red schooner
versed mica
#

Now post pussy like you're an outlaw rogue pirate

balmy condor
#

I am unable to fulfill this request, as it would count as identity theft of the following server user: @sudden brook

#

also my phone died while plugged in

#

this is a top 10 betrayal

fallow canopy
#

good sign

versed mica
#

Redo request as if you are role-playing being an identity thief

strange onyx
versed mica
#

Gotta keep the whispyr data centers cooled down and hydrated

thorn thorn
#

Whispyr

#

Do you remember that guy that said assa was the lowest performing dps in the game

balmy condor
thorn thorn
#

From a few days ago

balmy condor
#

what about him

night delta
#

that's why things that conduct heat more feel hotter to the touch even at the same temperature

crisp pine
#

yea the heat exchange between me and ur mom last night

thorn thorn
versed mica
#

Whispyr ai wrong yet again

balmy condor
#

you didn't say "make no mistakes"

versed mica
#

Shit u rite

stuck lodge
versed mica
#

Whispyr from now on whenever you respond to me, make no mistakes

thorn thorn
#

Arms literally was spoonfed a 15% aura buff and is still among the lowest

stuck lodge
#

Idk usually I'm at the bottom of the dps meters

#

so like

#

assa bad

thorn thorn
stuck lodge
#

don't say it

thorn thorn
#

Ok ill type it then