We got another fellow rodent in here
#assassination
shut sand
Just as you should be cuz ur spec literallt is called outlaw
warm vortex
warm vortex
Should be renamed to combat again
warm vortex
Survival
Shadow priest alt this season aswell
Sv is doing mythic (maybe MM for some fights)
radiant raven
my hero
rare stone
Has there been any sniffles or shufflings about regarding any potential changes to embellishments yet? Or too soon?
balmy condor
they did a tuning pass like 2 weeks ago
strange onyx
they did a tuning pass like 2 weeks ago
Watched your video, big ups. See ya on the assa logs on Wednesday 🤠
strange onyx
Watch me forget amplifying again, a classic Skoop trick
red schooner
Forgetting atrophic just helps your healers parse better
Don't you want to help your healers?
strange onyx
Forgetting atrophic just helps your healers parse better
Why you talking about atrophic? We are all talking about amplifying
red schooner
Why you talking about atrophic? We are all talking about amplifying
I misread
Wait, I see that edit mark
runic hinge
Need it for mah focus
You’ve never focused in your life
warm vortex
Nah I lock in
Sometimes
strange onyx
Lock in? Thought you just said you are survival
warm vortex
Lock in? Thought you just said you are survival
Actually true
Also David
With how Uber tanky we are not it will take a while!!
sage ore
guys, does it matter in what order I apply poisons (amp poison and deadly poison)?
strange onyx
Surv wants 2h for raid, they can have our scrapes when we are done
strange onyx
guys, does it matter in what order I apply poisons (amp poison and deadly poison...
Niet
grim jay
Also David
With how Uber tanky we are not it will take a while!!
Hunter usually find a way to die quick
So I aint too worried
grim jay
Surv wants 2h for raid, they can have our scrapes when we are done
Yeah they wouldnt get one over us anyways
viscid spear
viscid spear
I had three sparks and got the other mats
warm vortex
Sv has Like
Baseline 15% and 17% DR or something
And a decent array of defensive cooldowna
grim jay
Still probably not as tanky as DKs
And for some reason hunter people dont wanna use def CDs
warm vortex
Oh 100%
DKs are in a league of their own
warm vortex
And for some reason hunter people dont wanna use def CDs
I have the opposite issue
I use them too much
And run out
strange onyx
If it doesn’t one shot it is a healing mechanic
This Loa wisdom you can have for free
shut sand
guys, does it matter in what order I apply poisons (amp poison and deadly poison...
No because theyre no longer applied to specific weapons, its a character buff now
humble verge
Everything is a healer issue
strange onyx
Careful there is two sharks in that picture
humble verge
Careful there is two sharks in that picture
hot pasture
it is worth for rogue to craft dagger pre raid¿
hot pasture
oki
sharp viper
But if you got no other rogues in your raid just wait
And no survival hunters
hot pasture
u dont lose crest if u craft no?
shut plinth
humble verge
just have 4 rogues
sinful verge
Which spec is looking better for the raid profile wise atm? Sub or assa?
tacit lintel
Combat
sinful verge
Yeah I get that, I know that sub has quite a lot of upfront burst for ST and AOE - I don’t know a lot about how raid spec assa handles adds
Whether it’s likely to pull ahead with sporadic add packs etc
strange onyx
And no survival hunters <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Your survival hunters only want it for m+, tell them to get bent and if they disagree they can talk to me
storm forum
We don't know the tuning. If the adds are super squish, sub will look good one-shotting them with sec tech, if they're not, assa will look good spattering all over them for 15-20 seconds.
strange onyx
I am gonna play Sin, same with Whispy
onyx crane
How assa handles adds, if they are close to boss and many just cleave talents otherwise let othet classes manage it
hot pasture
if the adds are far for the boss sub better in my opinion
strange onyx
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am also entitled to tell you that you are wrong
hot pasture
thats fair uwu
storm forum
I'm gonna play assa until my rl gets mad at me
And then I'm gonna swap to sub and do so poorly he asks me to swap back
onyx crane
Why they never get assa right
strange onyx
Assa is right, next question
wide berry
And then I'm gonna swap to sub and do so poorly he asks me to swap back
gl sub has like two buttons, idk how youd play it that bad
onyx crane
What do you mean assa is right
storm forum
gl sub has like two buttons, idk how youd play it that bad
By not having talents or something
wide berry
By not having talents or something
only aa
strange onyx
I'm gonna play assa until my rl gets mad at me
Ask him why he doesn’t trust his raiders to make a good call on the spec to play
strange onyx
What do you mean assa is right
You come in here and claim it is «never» right. Tell me what you find wrong it with and then we can discuss
storm forum
Cause sometimes you get assa/sub week 1 cn discrepancies and grey parsing sub is actually better than purple parsing sin
wide berry
lets be real unless your ass is pushing hall of fame or some shit it doesnt really matter
whatever you can play better > the 1% optimal
storm forum
Yeah I mostly agree.
wide berry
ill sit fat and happy in my aotc guild mashing buttons
storm forum
I just always tell myself I should learn OL and sub to be a more versatile player or something but then I don't cause assa fun go brrrrrrr
Oh yeah my guild actually has a 2nd rogue for the first time in years, I'm gonna be playing so much sts on the bench cause the other rogue is actually a good player that knows how to press the N button
lethal arrow
theres no catch up system for the prey stuff is there
wide berry
not aware of any rn
lethal arrow
unfortunate, seems im bricked for the rest of the xpac
sharp viper
Oh yeah my guild actually has a 2nd rogue for the first time in years, I'm gonna...
I will play sts in between pulls during mythic prog 
spice surge
The spire aint slaying itself
strange onyx
Oh yeah my guild actually has a 2nd rogue for the first time in years, I'm gonna...
What kinda world rank you playing at?
strange onyx
The spire aint slaying itself
Just be sure to play the Silence so you get to pracc Envenoms on the bench
storm forum
Like 1500-2000? We're late late CE
spice surge
Just be sure to play the Silence so you get to pracc Envenoms on the bench
Eviscerate is not in sts 2 so yeah ig we must play assa
plucky ember
unfortunate, seems im bricked for the rest of the xpac
how are you bricked?
its just been 2 weeks of it
lethal arrow
no nightmare track tomorrow when raid releases, my guilds gunna kick me
might as well message my officers
plucky ember
you can reach hard in one week
not even a week
a day
if you got that harsh of a guild, i dosnt sound fun at all
lethal arrow
ive said about 90% sarcasm
it will not be a big deal but that is annoying i cant get my nightmare rewards on reset
plucky ember
do you even get alot of rep after the first 4 each week?
lethal arrow
does it give 1k?
jolly stirrup
Idk
lethal arrow
i think theyre only 50 each
jolly stirrup
I mean one hunt takes like 10 min, so in 4 hours yiu should get your 1k renown if you grind
lethal arrow
4 hours!
jolly stirrup
Ye?
karmic orbit
plucky ember
i think so
coral ibex
is there gonna be a higher tier that rewards better than vet track?
plucky ember
@lethal arrow so you should be fine
fluid oak
hey, there is a list of pre-bis somewhere?
grim jay
hey, there is a list of pre-bis somewhere?
No we just sim as we get items
fluid oak
No we just sim as we get items
k
grim jay
i think so
Yep
coral ibex
pre bis is 259 crafted dagger and the rest vet+
fluid oak
yes beside the 2 crafts i was looking for a list of m0 items to easily see if i need something
i will just sim then
prime field
hey! quick and dumb question, but does it matter if I use the second garrote from the opener after DM (by the end of the improved garrote window) instead of before DM?
spice surge
Well you get more garrote using the second garrote
exotic hazel
When chaining envenoms, do we wait for pandemic or do we just slam asap?
spice surge
Instead of 24 seconds of improved garrote you get like 36
spice surge
When chaining envenoms, do we wait for pandemic or do we just slam asap?
Envenom does not pandemic
So generally you wait until the last possible moment of the buff being active
exotic hazel
Envenom does not pandemic
Ah okay, this threw me off
exotic hazel
Gotcha, so send Envenom when the previous one as 1-2 sec left
(without overcapping energy)
prime field
Well you get more garrote using the second garrote
yeah, but is it a dps lose if I use this second garrote at the end of the improved garrote window, so during dm?
instead of before, like some guides show
coral ibex
back to chaining envenoms 
coral ibex
how much of a loss is it to cast kb at 3 or more cp?
coral ibex
so its not something to worry about
hearty junco
does high offhand itemlvl matter for any rogue spec?
onyx crane
Bigger stat budgets
hearty junco
sure but is there and ability that also scales with OH
latent kernel
So in our opener in AOE or ST, I see that we are supposed to chain 5 and let it drop, but with lust and haste trinket and tea should you just ignore this
coral ibex
offhand is the least important slot
it should always be your last upgrade
there are no abilities that scale with offhand weapon damage
mortal drum
offhand is the least important slot
yes this is true
but its still giving you agility
so to ignore it completely is silly
spice surge
Mutilate does, but its so unimportant that it does not matter
mortal drum
maybe im misinterpreting the question
coral ibex
offhand doesn't matter any more than wrists
mortal drum
sure but are you gonna walk around in adventurer wrists all expansion?
coral ibex
spice surge
Some classes have both their weapons as their most important slots
Rogues are not one of those
mortal drum
Some classes have both their weapons as their most important slots
ok this is what i was missing
my bad
spice surge
Because almost all damage is based on mainhand dps for us
karmic dawn
We love our (Mis)Info King!
spice surge
Loa of misinformation
sacred oyster
hey! quick and dumb question, but does it matter if I use the second garrote fro...
if you can get your DM in first sure but i usually just do garrote, mut/fok if not 5+ cp, rupture, then garrote again, then CT spam.
You def shouldnt be DM'ing before CT, as delaying DM until all mobs are bleeding is ideal for max dmg, but if the mobs are gonna die before DM expires anyways, then thats prob a case you can do it before to get more of your own dmg in faster i guess.
grim jay
gleaming geyser
is it only worth to be evenoming at 7CP or is it just use at 5+
fatebound: 5+ (flipping coins)
deathstalker: 5+ unless darkest night to proc mark
normal mist
Then you force 7
kindred roost
ok pog ty
first season as rogue (clearly picked a good one) and didn’t feel right using them without max
normal mist
Noobie mistake that is often seen amongst new members, glad you asked
gleaming geyser
People already complain enough about energy management, imagine if people were forcing 7 and wasting all those CPs
normal mist
Trinkets and special items are often what we refer to BiS, alongside with MH ilvl
The rest is figured out by simming
shut sand
So some stuff is very situational due to stat weights and mix of secondary stats? U get a lot of 2nd stat inflation already in first season… back to same issues old days
spice surge
What
shut sand
So having too much crit raises the value of say haste or mastery(mastery a lot worse this season though) and shifts their value
normal mist
That's why you sim
shut sand
Which can change which item is best for ur gear
BiS is like so good that no matter the sim it outperformw
Right?
normal mist
Do you read what I said above
spice surge
Besides trinkets or special items
normal mist
Special items = items with special effects
shut sand
But some pieces can differ right? The ones we use for stat sticks not the special effects ones
Depending on stat weight
spice surge
Not really
shut sand
Say I was doing bad on crit which is very valuable for me cuz many of my high ilevel items have haste mastery, i could go with that crit/haste wrist over one thats 2-3 ilevels higher?
Or that would be negligble?
shut sand
Just in general
spice surge
Mostly negligible
normal mist
I'll repeat
For the 3rd time
Sim
Your doubts will be answered by simming your character
golden loom
also remember to not sim statweights 
normal mist
If I answered this for you I'd be lying
shut sand
Idk how to do that, I just got back to retail after 100000 years. So idk if I would be doing it rigjt 🥲
I just trust what u guys tell me
shut sand
Fuxk
shut sand
Fuxk^2
fallow canopy
!raidbots
shut sand
go by highest ilvl
Seems like most straightforward, if its all negligble differences
fallow canopy
Fuck
shut sand
I guess this xpack will be very noob friendly
spice surge
Its been like this for a decade now
golden loom
and then when you have multiple pieces of the same ilvl, then you can sim them against eachother by getting the simulationcraft addon -> typing SimC -> copy pasting into raidbots dot com and using topgear
shut sand
Its been like this for a decade now
So like after WoD it became braindead? I skipped all those xpacks
BfA was so fucking braindead though my most hated xpack
fallow canopy
!simguide
prisma monolithBOT
Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights
For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.
fallow canopy
There it is
normal mist
BfA was so fucking braindead though my most hated xpack
I'm glad you didn't experience shadowlands
shut sand
Played it for couple months then left. U literally got stronger by equipping less gear
It was stupid
shut sand
I saw naked rogues in arenas
One shotting ppl
Then they tried to patch that shit, and so ppl used low ilvl gear with high ilvl trinkets and strong gems
And it was same shit again now even more broken
weary stump
Bfa corruptions were funny as hell at least
shut sand
Yes, but the idea that the game was ”unfair” for ppl who didnt wanna or have not progressed their characters was stupid
Ur literally taking out like one of THE points of playing an mmorpg…
U progressed backwards. Remove gear and become thanos
Arena rewards became pointless mostly
weary stump
I mean it was one of the progression points, I don't pvp at all though so I cannot really debate these woes
shut sand
Bro this affected pve as well
normal mist
Shadowlands S1 pvp gear way better / equal to raiding
weary stump
I don't recall that issue in raiding at all, like corruptions were borked but I don't remember that
drifting cloud
talking about some random bug that probably got fixed in a week from 6 years ago as the main point
storm forum
Tbh I liked bfa pvp. I really didn't see those exploits often and I liked the slow-ish meta.
shut sand
talking about some random bug that probably got fixed in a week from 6 years ago...
Lasted entire seasons
drifting cloud
it definetly didnt
normal mist
Heroic S1 shadowlands was like 213 ilvl and rival gear (1800 pvp) was 220 lol
226 was both mythic and gladiator gear
storm forum
There was some weird scaling issues but they really weren't that impactful. Most of the complaints from my friends were about not wanting to buy carries for mythic drestagath trinket.
drifting cloud
I remember the were some outdoor world scaling issues but thats about it
corruptions and the drest trinket are its own can of worms
the bleed one was wreaking havoc in pvp for a while yeah
before the corruption vendor and nerfs
same thing as rogue spamming whatever that ofd gcd ability was for echoing void
storm forum
Season 1 bfa pvp was actually quite baf
lethal turtle
226 was both mythic and gladiator gear
Wep was 233 with elite. I grinded it week 1 on WW
shut sand
storm forum
And monks could meld and unequip all their gear and have touch of death 1 shot
shut sand
Season 1 bfa pvp was actually quite baf
Someone gets it
shut sand
Whats the point of pvp gear rewards then?
If its all the same
U do still get stronger right?
With better pvp gear
Or no?
coral ibex
do you guys think we will be forced to do rbg’s for a catalyst charge next week
fluid oak
hey question, Enchant Weapon - Berserker's Rage you can have on both weapons?
lethal turtle
do you guys think we will be forced to do rbg’s for a catalyst charge next week
Maybe depends on if you have 3 set
And a item to cata
If not no point and easy unlock in m+
radiant otter
has it been changed from being aotc/m+/1600pvp? why not just aotc
lethal turtle
I don’t think you can even get the raid on until the last raid opens
But I could be cooked
spice surge
hey question, Enchant Weapon - Berserker's Rage you can have on both weapons?
Yes you just get 2x the stats
fluid oak
Yes you just get 2x the stats
ty
jolly stirrup
do you guys think we will be forced to do rbg’s for a catalyst charge next week
Wjats rbg
twilit lagoon
Did they ever confirm if shrouded suffocation not giving the extra CP on the second Garrote is working as intended or if its a bug?
spice surge
Did they ever confirm if shrouded suffocation not giving the extra CP on the sec...
Its just a bug
radiant otter
Whats the point of pvp gear rewards then?
it scales people's ilevel up to reach a minimum instead of scaling players relative to you so yes you get stronger. bgs 258 minimum, honor gear is 276, gladiator gear will be 289
runic hinge
since the easy to get pvp gear is ok in power
Will you PvP with me
jolly stirrup
Rated battle grounds I think
Got it
drifting cloud
Will you PvP with me
sorry im busy that year
twilit lagoon
Its just a bug
Ok, cool. I was hoping that was the case, so next I'll hope it gets fixed soon.
muted ridge
anyone has the assa rogue stats gif?
coral ibex
Maybe depends on if you have 3 set
yea and what if my guild is planning to give everyone 2p
fallow canopy
steel ridge
runic hinge
I’d never lose to an outlaw rogue
boreal lichen
anyone now whyy wowhead says s1 starts in 23h ? i thought we get raids as always on wednesday.
coral ibex
typical euro
runic hinge
Imagine not being in the superior region
worldly sail
CN?
coral ibex
yea Cnorth Namerica
runic hinge
RAHHHH 🦅🦅🦅🦅RAHHHHHH
coral ibex
fading belfry
With the nerf sub took is assa still behind in aoe?
shut sand
Assa has some of the best kit for aoe
We just lack the love from the dev team to make it all come together beautifully
It feels like its lacking something
azure carbon
With the nerf sub took is assa still behind in aoe?
Depends what you mean by AoE.
I think 4+ targets sub still ahead.
2-3 sin way better.
shut sand
But if spread bleed to 10 mobs with CT as fatebound and just spam envenoms… i dont see how ur losing to sub
Isnt sub suppost to be the single target oriented spec?
Per identity
spice surge
No
coral ibex
burst
spice surge
Shadowy clones
hidden robin
should I make sin rogue or survival hunter for midnight
azure carbon
should I make sin rogue or survival hunter for midnight
Given the timing of the question - correct answer is which do you think will be more fun?
compact mortar
you're on a biased discord
fluid oak
on 24th we become best dps
hidden robin
I've been playing sin rogue and quested through all of it to to Harandar
I really like the play style and class fantasy
subtle tundra
people talk about spec identity as if every spec is supposed to be special or some shit
shut up and play you cant even parse 90 with these ez specs
👽 👽 👽 👽 👽
varas naughty boy you do t even play the game
get real loser
golden loom
shut up and play you cant even parse 90 with these ez specs
im going for half of fame delve boss
hidden robin
but I was wondering if survival hunter would be more fun for like open world or solo content
runic hinge
Better off playing a tank
hidden robin
having a pet is nice
golden loom
bronze beard lvl?
I might be behind ye
hidden robin
also I feel like chain pulling multiple mobs kinda sucks as a sin rogue
golden loom
well m+ releases next week..
severe meadow
im going for half of fame delve boss
Real
golden loom
whats yo ppls ilvl
240.62
severe meadow
whats yo ppls ilvl
242
golden loom
time to reroll pvp
subtle tundra
🥱
golden loom
I do have a weeks vacation next week tho (wasnt even planned for wow but)
leaden anvil
How we doing bois? We lack energy regen 🙁
subtle tundra
I do have a weeks vacation next week tho (wasnt even planned for wow but)
eewwwwwwww real life when wow is going on
bad boy
spice surge
Assa is fine, and no it doesnt really lack energy regen
The spec is designed with downtime in mind
golden loom
eewwwwwwww real life when wow is going on
vacation as in time off work not anything planned, so I am gonna play 20 hours per day
subtle tundra
yeah more downtime means you can do more mechanics
subtle tundra
vacation as in time off work not anything planned, so I am gonna play 20 hours p...
ah same
viscid spear
I might be behind ye
I think my Valeera is about that.
subtle tundra
me too yes
static glacier
Assa is fine, and no it doesnt really lack energy regen
Anecdotally something was up just testing it while levelling, dungeon wise it’s definitely not as good as it was in tww in low dungeons. I suspect it’s undertuned somewhat
leaden anvil
Yeah, I feel like it lacks energy compared to Bfa. It felt so prime in bfa
hearty seal
Assa is fine, and no it doesnt really lack energy regen
my take on this is that what Assa lacks, fundamentally, is any good idea on what it's supposed to be other than arbitrarily slow (why? why does a class that is thematically super agile and fast, have not one but two specs that are based around waiting for things to happen)
energy woes are just a very easy way to make it slow without having to think much about it, or what the design should even be
subtle tundra
Yeah, I feel like it lacks energy compared to Bfa. It felt so prime in bfa
the problem is another
spice surge
my take on this is that what Assa lacks, fundamentally, is any good idea on what...
Yerp
hearty seal
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1481947052656...
oh hey I missed a Whisp rant (hanging out in the 'law channels these days)
subtle tundra
bfa had 5 or 6(not always played) cp, that meant you finished at 4 a lot of the times, it means more finishers used, more ruptures used
idc assa got irreversibly fucked in df and after
so assa will never be assa for me
hearty seal
ok yeah Whisp was basically going about the same thing
I figure our viewpoints on how it should be differ a lot, but I can 100% agree it's not something you can fix, design-wise, by just going "here's infinite energy, you happy now"
storm forum
https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/316923750073499648/1481947052656...
How did I miss this and why is it not pinned?
severe meadow
Probably because it’s a wall no one will read and talk about anyway
snow tundra
Assa is fine, and no it doesnt really lack energy regen
Then it sucks, are sin supposed to be played by boomers who can't move their fingers as fast as anyone else?
hearty seal
Then it sucks, are sin supposed to be played by boomers who can't move their fin...
it's Midnight
80% of specs are that
royal lantern
Probably because it’s a wall no one will read and talk about anyway
i love the Varas part
spice surge
Then it sucks, are sin supposed to be played by boomers who can't move their fin...
The vast majority of specs are gcd capped and spam buttons all the time, perhaps try one of those if the slow pace of assa is not to your liking?
runic hinge
Then it sucks, are sin supposed to be played by boomers who can't move their fin...
theres like 28 other dps specs that are gcd capped we are hoping for 1 that involves gameplay that isnt spam a button every second you can
spice surge
Not every specs need to be the same
runic hinge
jinx
storm forum
ABC is fun, but intentionally breaking that is really fun
onyx crane
I think assa still plays abit clunky in AOE scenarios but I do love spatter, poisonbomb and ct not making so we don't need tab-target applying rupture
hearty seal
theres like 28 other dps specs that are gcd capped we are hoping for 1 that invo...
the thing is
- many casters are not actually GCD capped because casting takes more than a GCD
- why the fuck would Rogue with 1 sec base GCD also have to have one of the slower specs? like it would make way more sense to make an initially slow class be low APM
onyx crane
I am happy assa is a slow spec, I am too old for the frantic APM specs
golden loom
spec being focused on bleeds and poisons should be kind of slow thematically?
makes sense imo
hearty seal
spec being focused on bleeds and poisons should be kind of slow thematically?
not necessarily
death by a million cuts also works just as well
severe meadow
I think assa still plays abit clunky in AOE scenarios but I do love spatter, poi...
It’s preference, I think it plays pretty good in big pulls
night cipher
wish they left the feral with the bleeds and we got a poison rework
hearty seal
esp since combat is now outlaw and GUN is more a theme than just "sword fast"
onyx crane
it will def shine more when trash lives longer than in M0
golden loom
death by a million cuts is fury warrior
royal lantern
esp since combat is now outlaw and GUN is more a theme than just "sword fast"
what has that to do with the gameplay
leaden anvil
Any of yall pvp in sin?
hearty seal
what has that to do with the gameplay
that's part of a response to a thematics question
royal lantern
Any of yall pvp in sin?
#pvp, the spec channels have near 0 connection to pvp, most people here wont touch that mode at all
onyx crane
death by a million cuts is fury warrior <:garf:1320173032743899157>
havoc too
hearty seal
death by a million cuts is fury warrior <:garf:1320173032743899157>
with huge-ass 2h axes? ngl that doesn't really sound like it
onyx crane
on a practical note, do we craft wrists yet?
royal lantern
with huge-ass 2h axes? ngl that doesn't really sound like it
turns out
if you give a spec high apm, it will do lower dmg with each hit
cus thats how math works
jolly stirrup
I do feel a bit bad having that wall of Text as an answer to my stupid takes but in the end I learned stuff from it and some others maybe too
royal lantern
and fury is the pinnacle "but I WANT TO SPAM DONT MAKE ME WAIT BLIZZ IM A CHAD WARRIOR APM APM APM" spec
so each hit will be on the lower side
golden loom
I do like furys class fantasy of I am very angry and I need to keep pressing buttons to remain angry
goes hard
twilit lagoon
Do poison bomb applications overlap?
onyx crane
i don't think it procs enough for that to happen
hearty seal
turns out
if you give a spec high apm, it will do lower dmg with each hit
brother I am talking about thematics
like Fury isn't about actually a million small attacks as an idea, more like just lots of wild hits but without any deep purpose
ngl the thing I'd personally associate with Assa would be "methodical", which can honestly be any speed, as long as the actual loop is purposeful towards something specific
like KB is a good foundation - here's something to work on for a big payoff, but these days there's not much interplay with it
royal lantern
was there ever any inerplay with KB really
outside of "have shiv and envenom running"
runic hinge
you uhh
hearty seal
DM kinda does interact still
hearty seal
but yes, that's the point, there isn't much that works with it
which is why it's a good foundation but with no real building on top
twilit lagoon
Ah, I miss the days of getting double pi on a KB and killing assault in 45s.
onyx crane
should maybe add something that empowers envenom if you cast 3? in a row
golden loom
that would change the rotation from pressing envenom to pressing envenom
hearty seal
empowering envenom after 3 casts of X in a row exists
it's called "press three Mutilates"
wise plover
@spice surge is there logic in the APL that pools to a specific energy # after we drop envenom chain? or is the only logic that at 80% implaccable we dont finish till we gain buff.
onyx crane
I do think assa rogue can do with some visual effects
like envenom needs to look flashier and I want to see some blood spatters flying around when my empowered garotte is running
balmy condor
<@212854714197344256> is there logic in the APL that pools to a specific energy ...
The second
storm forum
I like CT's effect, but I would like Spatter to put a big splash of green out when it procs
severe meadow
id rather not have my game giga lag from every instance of spatter dam
Didn’t this happen before
golden loom
yeah lets not increase the lag
wise plover
The second
i havent spent too much time in pure ST yet, but if i am playing incorrectly somehow. and i get stuck in a situation where i cant get my implaccable to 80% because i keep starting my envenom chains on low energy. feelcraft wise should i be pooling to get it back to 80% implaccable chains or just keep pushing my buttons?
storm forum
I wanna crash the servers with KB spatter
night delta
Sbs on SL iirc
the ole SBS exsanguinate tech
double tickrate every 45 sec on a infinite time dot
what could go wrong ?
hearty seal
ngl that sounds like a flavourful assa thing even if it's stupidly broken
"the longer the assa rogue is in combat, the stronger they become"
night delta
exsanguinate was fun to press at times
I remember Ny'alotha when corruption was completely broken open
stacking ungodly amounts of haste
and exsanguinating
infinite energy
infinite bleed dmg
balmy condor
i havent spent too much time in pure ST yet, but if i am playing incorrectly som...
Feelcraft wise it would be better to drop implacable earlier
The first stack is 20%
The rest are 15%
spice surge
<@212854714197344256> is there logic in the APL that pools to a specific energy ...
Yeah listen to purple man, i havent done much simming for assa this tier
night delta
"the longer the assa rogue is in combat, the stronger they become"
super flavourful and could be balanced if they put a cap on it
wise plover
okay thank you both ❤️
hearty seal
exsanguinate was fun to press at times
tbh I think exsang could have been a promising design direction
like if they want us to fuck around with energy (and they will always want this unless Energy itself is redesigned, because the alternative is just no energy)
they could in fact try to do something where we benefit from both low energy and high energy in different ways, IDK
like pooling could make sense if Exsang was kind of like Breath of SIndragosa IDK, something you have to build up for, then start blowing and keep things going for as long as possible by doing upkeep actions
i.e. you're energy positive on the basic rotation BUT Exsang overrides that, and your goal is to keep Exsang working for as long as possible
true tusk
The second
I read your comment about Assa and its energy regen, and honestly you're right. In fact, the other day I realized that its problem isn't even really the energy. It's that its bleeds and poisons take way too long to actually do their damage, which makes the spec pretty useless in low Mythic+ keys, since mobs die so fast that your damage never really has time to ramp up.
I think the solution would be to make bleeds more similar to Feral's, with shorter uptimes but much stronger ticks.
storm forum
"the longer the assa rogue is in combat, the stronger they become"
A while back I had an idea to have envenom chains build up a debuff and when they dropped they did a fuck ton of damage, but tying the idea to uptime sounds really terrible cause like, if you have perfect up time until execute you instantly kill the boss, but if you gotta do any mechanic ur damage is fucked and idk, this reminded me of that
night delta
tbh I think exsang could have been a promising design direction
like if they wan...
I'd see exsang as the reverse
spice surge
I read your comment about Assa and its energy regen, and honestly you're right. ...
Sudden demise is in theory a good solution to this problem, but in practice it can end up a bit weak depending on how the damage is distributed across the spec
night delta
like, exsang supercharges your energy regen but ends as soon as your energy hits cap
so you have to spend spend spend like a madman while it's up
hearty seal
like, exsang supercharges your energy regen but ends as soon as your energy hits...
that's just DM with a condition
but it could work IG
night delta
and when it ends, you're full energy, and you can go back to seeing it go down
hearty seal
well yeah, that could be a fun thing if tuned correctly
however it will also make Assa very vulnerable to downtime, funnily enough
royal lantern
can we not say the E word please
night delta
it was kinda what it did during the Ny'alotha haste corruption hayday
when you hit exsang your energy went completely nuts
night delta
taking the corruption phase seriously is a bit of a meme
balance wise sure
but there were definitely fun things that emerged for a time
royal lantern
not just balance wise lol
it was literally just "lol 200% haste" or "lol i have my major cd every 30 seconds"
and the ussual "wow players will tell you something is fun when its OP"
night delta
i mean of course i'm not saying it should be the standard
but the directions things went to indicated there was design space for some ideas
like a "supercharge your energy" button
that kind of jazz
true tusk
Sudden demise is *in theory* a good solution to this problem, but in practice it...
What I mean is that currently Garrote lasts 24s and Rupture up to 32s. If you cut that in half without touching the damage, you’d be giving the rogue the opportunity to reach their damage peak faster, making them more effective.
storm forum
Sometimes I miss fishing for haste procs, but it really is for the best that exsang stays gone
At least in that state
night delta
What I mean is that currently Garrote lasts 24s and Rupture up to 32s. If you cu...
If demise also gave off some of the energy of the ticks it shaves off it would be neat
spice surge
What I mean is that currently Garrote lasts 24s and Rupture up to 32s. If you cu...
Yeah but sudden demise already kinda does that
night delta
maybe make it closer to viable
though we'd be back to bleed sniping maybe so
heh, maybe not
hearty seal
eh, I'm mostly looking at Exsang as "something that could've been a core thing if it wasn't fucked up"
basically the point is, currently all three Rogue specs are energy negative and aren't even playing with the resource in any interesting way, so the design def could be more in-depth
severe meadow
They can just shoot doomblade and syst failure and rework them into something new / energy based and call it a day
night delta
basically the point is, currently all three Rogue specs are energy negative and ...
also what I think
I can see how implacable is them trying to do something more
than just "don't overcap and the rest doesn't matter"
hearty seal
yeah but it's...kinda just lame
like they got the first draft out and said "yeah that's it, job's done"
"yep just wait till your envenom falls off to get more energy back, that's resource management"
night delta
because currently no rogue spec has to really think about energy
even in sin, yeah we gotta play more patiently but it's not like env uptime is a tight fit
coral ibex
i think they could do something to combine the implacable effect with auto-tea, so that the regen can be proc'd intentionally without the counter-intuitive play pattern of letting envenom expire
night delta
I've several times been a proponent of making envenom a %energy cost
and scale off of that
would make it interesting to try and minmax being high on energy for some windows
coral ibex
i was thinking bonus energy regen based on how late you overlap envenom
later = more regen
night delta
that's just forced pooling
coral ibex
well yes
royal lantern
sorry, but you all kinda just throw random stuff into the chat rn
night delta
sorry, but you all kinda just throw random stuff into the chat rn
absolutely correct
hearty seal
sorry, but you all kinda just throw random stuff into the chat rn
yes and
royal lantern
like, do you think that things like "envenom energy reg based on how late you overlap" is actually a good idea lol
if you think that staring at you envenom timer 24/7 for gameplay is good i gues
true tusk
Yeah but sudden demise already kinda does that
Yeah, but no one is spending that point on the talent; everyone is using Dashing Scoundrel and Dragon-Tempered Blades. So if you’re going to have a dead talent, it would be better to just reduce the ability’s duration directly.
coral ibex
if you think that staring at you envenom timer 24/7 for gameplay is good i gues
it would be no different to paying attention to implacable
except chaining envenoms is a more intuitive playstyle than intentionally letting a debuff expire after 5 envenoms
imo
night delta
it does feel kinda counterintuitive to purposefully let a good buf expire
royal lantern
not really
like at all
reminder that specs are supposed to be playable without actually going too deep into them
if energy generation would suddenly be based around you always waiting for the last 1-2 seconds of pressing envenom, it would be giga un-intuitive
implacable is literally passively happening by itself
hearty seal
well I made my suggestion with nu-Exsang, IDK, that sounds like a decent idea to me
normally energy positive rotation, like it actually regens faster when you're doing it than standing still
activate exsang that costs even more than what your rotation regens (or maybe it scales up over time, like starting out small but +1 cost/s), keep it up for as long as you can, eventually run out, regen to full, start exsang again
like your main goal here, as a dot spec, is to empower your dots through a good basic rotation
sounds very Assa to me tbh
night delta
if energy generation would suddenly be based around you always waiting for the l...
also agree
that's why I feel like the implacable thing is half baked
fallow canopy
what I gather from all the opinions is that no matter what gets implemented someone would be pissed about it
royal lantern
what I gather from all the opinions is that no matter what gets implemented some...
welcome to the human race!
hearty seal
what I gather from all the opinions is that no matter what gets implemented some...
that's a given for just about anything with an observer base higher than 1 person
tranquil birch
Now that people are getting up to like 240ilvl, are yall starting to run builds with demise in M0s?
coral ibex
idk how it would be unintuitive, late chaining envenom has been the assa play pattern many times over history
severe meadow
Now that people are getting up to like 240ilvl, are yall starting to run builds ...
Not me, personally
coral ibex
we were doing a pooling minigame in tww s1 before the rework for 2 envenom debuffs
runic hinge
what if envenom consumed extra energy to do extra damage up to double its current cost
night delta
what if envenom consumed extra energy to do extra damage up to double its curren...
copycat
analog field
what if we had a more feline appearance?
runic hinge
hearty seal
what if we had a more feline appearance?
on one hand it would be rightful retribution against druids stealing so much from us
on the other hand, imagine playing a cat, smh
strong epoch
i'd really like blade fury instead of fok
hearty seal
idk broski, would you really?
like BF is...interesting
but it comes with so many downsides too
runic hinge
i'd really like blade fury instead of fok
just imagine spatter as blade flurry
waxen oyster
hearty seal
if BF procced off Dispatch, kinda
sacred oyster
Now that people are getting up to like 240ilvl, are yall starting to run builds ...
I did a bunch of complex advanced sims, demise isnt going to happen, its always a loss
we cant get demise w/o losing something too critical
on 4 mil ads and 40 mil boss, SD is 2-3% dmg loss
spice surge
Yeah, but no one is spending that point on the talent; everyone is using Dashing...
Well they could make the talent better so that it solves the issue of assa being bad in low keys while people still take the other talents in higher keys
Like it was in previous seasons in tww
static glacier
Like it was in previous seasons in tww
I suspect missing old CT would be felt, I’m fairly sure that was the vast majority of demise dmg in low keys
strong epoch
I would. you would have to still spread your rupture with CT but garrote would spread with BF.
spice surge
I suspect missing old CT would be felt, I’m fairly sure that was the vast majori...
Probably, but even that can be adjusted for
If they wanted to
golden loom
blade flurry on the double dagger spec while fan of knives is also one of the most iconic abilities sounds very weird
strong epoch
i respect it's not for everyone. i just want more "fun" buttons to push while still doing respectable damage. BF is one of those for me.
mint urchin
Is blade flurry a fun button though?
Like in 2-4 target you actively want to avoid pressing it until the last second
viscid spear
what if we had a more feline appearance?
analog field
Where did you find my photo ?
naive sable
What if Simulationcraft even included ASS in their sim’d raid charts they put out today. Hmm…
spice surge
The reason assa isnt on there is because nobody (see: Whispyr) has pushed a default profile, so they dont have anything to base it on.
spice surge
Idk
storm forum
There are more now than last week aren't there
spice surge
I havent checked under your floorboards, maybe there are some
Or in your basement?
Maybe youre spidermaxxing so there are none
What do i know
storm forum
I'm spidermaxxing
The spiders in my room are so dumb
They have reverse camouflage or something
true tusk
Well they could make the talent better so that it solves the issue of assa being...
That's true
spice surge
Im not saying that is the case now, but its been the case in the past and they could adress it (i dont think they will, but they could)
true tusk
Im not saying that is the case now, but its been the case in the past and they c...
What do you think about Fatebound vs Deathstalker? Right now Fatebound is giving me better results and I’m not really sure why
runic hinge
deathstalker is not fun
fallow canopy
I like DS 
scarlet orbit
Its kinda impressive how they made the most hated part of the whole herotalent even worse
azure carbon
Without fixing the bugs. 😂
jolly stirrup
When I started I liked DS, now I despise it
compact mortar
hey guys, new to assa here, what's your ilevel and what is your dps on single target in like a 2 minute fight cirka?
true tusk
hey guys, new to assa here, what's your ilevel and what is your dps on single ta...
ST with talents m+ or "raid"?
compact mortar
raid talents
true tusk
raid talents
240ilvl sim patchwerk default 44k
spice surge
Whispyr could push a profile, he just doesnt want to contribute to the sim dps slop comparison charts
azure carbon
Lol watch as Whispyr has cooked up an OP talent combination and APL that's actually the best ST of all 3 specs.
And has been sandbagging legendarily whole xpac.
runic hinge
Doubtful
But the thing is
There’s one ST boss so Assa can be good because the free cleave exists
Execute can matter
azure carbon
I mean sure, but I would laugh so hard. The sandwich bit into the sandbag reveal would be goated.
runic hinge
There’s a lot of good things on this spec that can keep us competitive even if our straight line dps isn’t the top
azure carbon
Legit I wouldn't be surprised if sin sees play in some fights over OL / Sub.
I'd probably be surprised if it didn't.
compact mortar
are you guys also experiencing bugs with tracking implacable?
severe meadow
are you guys also experiencing bugs with tracking implacable?
Yes, the tracker is fucked at the moment
compact mortar
checked the pin, thanks
balmy condor
I mean sure, but I would laugh so hard. The sandwich bit into the sandbag reveal...
I don’t sandbag, but I refuse to feed the simslop
solar wyvern
There’s one ST boss so Assa can be good because the free cleave exists
Idt u can take "free" cleave anymore
runic hinge
Oh
runic hinge
Idk I have no looked at raid talents that much
Mostly cause there haven’t been any raids xd
solar wyvern
Yeh u gotta drop doomblade !!!!!!!@
Hehe but no u gotta drop quite abit to take secondary bomb ct precision spatter
Maybe just spatter is enough but idk
spice surge
I dont remember the exact numbers but it definitely wasnt a huge deal, since stuff like poison bomb is actually good even for ST
compact mortar
by the look of the raid we will be using the raid cleave build for most of the fights?
bright turret
i wanna brain dead press CT on a boss instead of tab/mouseover dotting
fallow canopy
I don’t sandbag, but I refuse to feed the simslop
so sad the shitpost YT era only lasted 1 video tho 🥀
balmy condor
so sad the shitpost YT era only lasted 1 video tho 🥀
there will be more
spice surge
there will be more
A threat or a promise? 
balmy condor
by the look of the raid we will be using the raid cleave build for most of the f...
I'm suggesting it on like basically every boss yeah
(I will have to inevitably adjust it)
fallow canopy
there will be more
runic hinge
storm forum
haughty flicker
azure carbon
I don’t sandbag, but I refuse to feed the simslop
You don't want to publish a sim like this? Why not?
storm forum
How do we feel about chocolate covered pretzels here?
royal lantern
How do we feel about chocolate covered pretzels here?
what the fuck
storm forum
I used to not like them but I'm coming around
azure carbon
Yogurt covered pretzels>chocolate covered pretzels. And it's not even close, tbh.
storm forum
I'll try them. That sounds bad but no one has ever given me bad food advice in this channel
balmy condor
You don't want to publish a sim like this? Why not?
what's better than one normal distribution
TWO normal distributions
azure carbon
Is the second one even a normal distribution? Kind of looks like 3 to me, TBH.
balmy condor
idk, that first one around 45k seems to be oblong enough to count as one
just a very flat one
runic hinge
Why is it like that tho
spice surge
Some iterations get stuck somehow
subtle tundra
he was born like that..
haughty flicker
what the fuck
are you implying you dont like chocolate covered pretzels
azure carbon
😂 not sure anyone could tell you that. Clearly something's in the apl caused it to explode and stop doing things.
royal lantern
i feel offended by you mfs saying that this shit exists in the first place
vestal wren
You don't want to publish a sim like this? Why not?
looks like something needs a bit of work in the apl
fallow canopy
Imagine having easy access to pretzels
vestal wren
which causes the low dps results
haughty flicker
insanity
spice surge
Like maybe they have a "use tigers fury at 5 combo points" and "dont use a builder when tigers fury is ready" and it sits at like 3 cp for the rest of the iteration
Just as an example
frosty cedar
am I giga stupid or is there a reason why I sometimes am getting 2 combo points after envenoming, presumably from poisoners drive, I cant figure out why
spice surge
Its from the coin critting
royal lantern
Its from the coin critting
wait, thats still in the game????
spice surge
wait, thats still in the game????
fallow canopy
wait, thats still in the game????
its on its way to becoming a "feature"
haughty flicker
wait, thats still in the game????
it will stay in the game until you acknowledge chocolate pretzel superiority
spice surge
Is chocolate pretzel the "pineapply pizza to italians" but for germans?
haughty flicker
tbh im just now learning that they apparently arent common everywhere
storm forum
I also didn't realize chocolate pretzels existing was a contentious topic
coral ibex
chocolate pretzels are a common bagged candy in america
storm forum
My bad
coral ibex
you can find them in literally every gas station convenience store
shy heron
Is chocolate pretzel the "pineapply pizza to italians" but for germans?
I think if you were to serve a big soft fair-style pretzel with chocolate it would probably upset germans, but the little crunchy ones? probably not
coral ibex
in fact i had chocolate pretzels over the weekend
storm forum
Maybe dipping a big pretzel in a chocolate sauce could be good
shy heron
I feel like that's beer cheese or mustard for dipping only
storm forum
Beer chocolate sounds like it has potential
spice surge
I think if you were to serve a big soft fair-style pretzel with chocolate it wou...
Idk i have no stake in the pretzel game either way, its not a thing thats common here nor do i particularly care for it
storm forum
But now that I've said it out loud maybe it's cursed
vestal wren
Is chocolate pretzel the "pineapply pizza to italians" but for germans?
bretzels are not that central to our cousine
but germans like to put cream based sauce on Wiener Schnitzel, which is equal to some of the italian crimes you can commit like breaking your spaghetti
shy heron
you mean like a bechamel sauce?
vestal wren
they usually like to put "jägersauce"
vestal wren
yes, its basically a cream based sauce with champingions
balmy condor
and it's the best thing ever invented
storm forum
When you say weiner schnitzel do you mean the flat fried cutlet or the hot dog?
vestal wren
means you have a perfectly crisp schnitzel and then burry it in sauce making it all soggy
storm forum
Oh my God it's like chicken parm
coral ibex
there is no hot dog
sharp grove
are sin sims counting the execute phase?
shy heron
it's like chicken parm yeah
balmy condor
are sin sims counting the execute phase?
all sims targets go from 100% to 0% by default
coral ibex
i mean its basically veal parm but with a cream sauce
jolly stirrup
That has to be an US thing no?
coral ibex
instead of tomato
jolly stirrup
I never seen something like this
shy heron
but with mushroom gravy instead of a tomato reduction yes
sharp grove
all sims targets go from 100% to 0% by default
st is cooked then 😭
haughty flicker
im actually kind of stunlocked chocolate pretzels are an american thing
balmy condor
st is cooked then 😭
it'll be fine
haughty flicker
it feels like such an obvious combination
sweet and salty is a classic flavor combo
balmy condor
if my youtube comments are anything to go by
we are both perma cooked
and perma too happy
so
just wait till the raid actually comes out
and we'll see what happens
storm forum
God I love the internet
balmy condor
I agree
storm forum
This is making me crave chicken schnitzel, I'm gonna have some tomorrow
vestal wren
there is no hot dog
There is a US hot dog company named wienerschnitzel, and its the biggest betrayal in existence....
They only sell hot dogs -.-# - wiki article for reference
coral ibex
wat
shy heron
because americans associate the word wiener with a food product and not a word meaning person from vienna
sharp viper
we are both perma cooked
either way you are at fault somehow for all that is wrong
drifting cloud
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/225822780191539210/1483045051419459685/...
you dont have to hide my name
shy heron
I mean hell we even have "vienna sausages" which are just canned sausages and as far as I know have nothing to do with Wien
balmy condor
either way you are at fault somehow for all that is wrong
yeah I guess. I should just close the discord and stop dooming and fix the bugs and hide the bugs and post the sims and sandbag the sims and be one with the sims and use the force luke
shy heron
and we'll see what happens
people will come to this discord, @ whispyr and ask if assassination is viable?
storm forum
yeah I guess. I should just close the discord and stop dooming and fix the bugs ...
Don't forget to send blizzard hq a pipebomb plushie
vestal wren
@shy heron is this an outlaw tier?
turbid sandal
Am I blind or does Wangbar not have a profile setting? I want to have different Combo thresholds for Assa/Sub/Outlaw
shy heron
<@130886453881208832> is this an outlaw tier?
sure is! make sure to mute the subtlety and assassination channels and bookmark #outlaw in this server for easy access ❤️
storm forum
Please tell me Wangbar is the real name of an addon lmao
spice surge
Yes
turbid sandal
Please tell me Wangbar is the real name of an addon lmao
it is yes lol
spice surge
Locally produced
sharp viper
coral ibex
you have to maintain the unbothered chad facade until the 5% aura buff + CT damage nerf + garrote/rupture buff hit and then you can rip the hardest packwatch of all time
but if you cry and shit your pants and close your discord
frosty cedar
wangbar is goated
coral ibex
there's no coming back
balmy condor
sub's low target cleave in the raid is really bad honestly
I think they should add back rupture
vestal wren
sub's low target cleave in the raid is really bad honestly
I think they should ...
i see what you did there
master baiter
sharp viper
having 2 minute cooldowns is way too strong, that means it lines up with a second bloodlust more easily
90s cooldowns is way weaker
slate birch
sub's low target cleave in the raid is really bad honestly
I think they should ...
unpopular opinion i fuck with rupture on sub
forest nacelle
fallow canopy
unpopular opinion i fuck with rupture on sub
you can't fuck a rogue ability smh
slate birch
you can't fuck a rogue ability smh
on a full moon, I'll fuck ANYTHING
fallow canopy
idle radish
Please tell me Wangbar is the real name of an addon lmao
Hey
haughty flicker
#forthepeople
idle radish
Np
fallow canopy
wangers rise
balmy condor
are you personally fucking everyone that's not using it
azure carbon
But also fuck u for not using it
Wangbar work on feral?
fallow canopy
same question
azure carbon
Oh. Well I guess I can't use wangbar anymore. 👀
slate birch
Yes and yes
are u personally fucking anyone using it? Its a full moon soon
fallow canopy
and does it count if I used it but recently for unrelated reasons I stopped
glass moon
hey i never really played a rogue just leveled them - - how hard are rogues to get really decent at ? ?
azure carbon
Define really decent.
storm forum
How bad is ur adhd?
glass moon
able to kill a npc with out using any poations
jolly stirrup
hey i never really played a rogue just leveled them - - how hard are rogues to g...
I managed to get rank 4 fractillus somehow with 5 mnths playtime
take of that what you will
^^
azure carbon
able to kill a npc with out using any poations
Oh, sub does that immediately.
glass moon
alright thanks guys i made a harandar rogue for looks mainly
haughty flicker
haranir is sick
royal lantern
haranir is sick
go to a doctor?
thorn thorn
haranir is sick
Fent elf
azure carbon
If you're playing Sub, which imo is right choice for leveling, just smash dance on everything - and if dance is down stun stuff till dance back up. It's pretty smooth.
glass moon
alright i will keep playing him - the more i play him the better i get i hope - thanks guys
cyan kestrel
on the wowhead page it has us taking 2/2 lethal dose for m+ and on icyveins it has 2/2 Fatal Concotion instead, is one of the sites out of date or are the talents just very close in value?
balmy condor
icyveins is a bit outdated
me and seli are both setting guides live and doing a lot of edit passes cause we're the respective guide managers for wowhead/icyveins
I share my notes with seli, so the guides will eventually sync back up
but it's a bit stressful atm
cyan kestrel
all good u guys do great ^^ ❤️ i just didnt know which was older bc they both say updated on 2/25
does fatal work on Kingsbane? I can never remember if that counts as a weapon poison
balmy condor
no
weapon poisons are the 1 hour buffs
kingsbane is a regular poison
and it will count for like, lethal dose
and zoldyck
cyan kestrel
shell kraken
So what do you guys predicte regarding the raid and Raid general vs Raid ST build
humble verge
sub
shell kraken
?
shell kraken
What spec do we use at bench?
humble verge
assa
slate birch
What spec do we use at bench?
assa
onyx crane
on a full moon, I'll fuck ANYTHING
you a balance druid?
slate birch
you a balance druid?
in TWW yes LOL
shell kraken
Sure sure, but ST or AoE version?
bright turret
sin will get big aura buff, and then funnel the secret final boss to death
humble verge
it just feels assa is bench again first weeks of tier
atleast if youre gonna try raid at a high level
onyx crane
low key, we can't just keep doing 7's
humble verge
wdym
slate birch
sin will get big aura buff, and then funnel the secret final boss to death
i could see a small aura buff tbh
frosty cedar
last boss starts at 35% hp there will be no aura buff
humble verge
we are aura
frosty cedar
midnight falls but im spreading misinformation cope on the internet
this is my personal cope
u can share it if u want
slate birch
this is my personal cope
on god i will manifest this to reality, Assa will be based, and will do good damage, prayge
buoyant herald
3% aura buff inc
As is tradition
Might high roll and get 4% but I don’t want to jinx it
slate birch
Might high roll and get 4% but I don’t want to jinx it
highrolling
we are getting a 6% aura buff
buoyant herald
slate birch
it has been manifested
foggy moat
anything less than 15 would be an afront to rooshkind xd
strange onyx
midnight falls but im spreading misinformation cope on the internet
Ya called?
frosty cedar
Ya called?
onyx crane
assassagenda
strange onyx
Knowers will preserver
frosty cedar
assassagenda is when we all sandbag in hc correct
strange onyx
Some of you will sandbag just by showing up, but you shall be the stepping stones of the great
balmy condor
if they touch energy I would be genuinely surprised
polar sail
if they touch energy I would be genuinely surprised
Same
spice surge
That would indeed be very surprising
polar sail
little more we want energy not to much we dont want starve
strange onyx
Mut / Amb increased, Imp Garr nerf Caustic %randomized either up or down, Envenom dmg increase
flint tusk
I want to add my unhealthy dose of doom so assassination gets some tuning (yes fatebound is higher no i have no idea if this info is correct or verified)
Guy's it's so over. oh woah is me sims say bad me cry
frosty cedar
it is time to nerf energy
safe frigate
@balmy condor is Ass rogue a good prescience target?
balmy condor
idk, you tell me
polar sail
it is time to nerf energy
strange onyx
I want to add my unhealthy dose of doom so assassination gets some tuning (yes f...
bro is out here linking the public sheet, but doesnt know there is a hidden sheet
stuck lodge
I feel like an AoE nerf might be unnecessary, can't really even get a good idea of our AoE DPS right now
frosty cedar
https://tenor.com/view/red-red-emoji-angry-emoji-raised-fist-fist-gif-4695612956...
dont fight the truth
polar sail
dont fight the truth
safe frigate
idk, you tell me
I think you specifically are because you are Poggers. But idk if Ass rogue likes crit.
strange onyx
I think you specifically are because you are Poggers. But idk if Ass rogue likes...
We do it is true
safe frigate
We do it is true
Poggers.
flint tusk
bro is out here linking the public sheet, but doesnt know there is a hidden shee...
ahh but do you know about the double hidden sheet?
frosty cedar
https://tenor.com/view/block-blocked-you-are-blocked-user-discord-gif-2473019735...
go back to outlaw energy spammer
balmy condor
I feel like an AoE nerf might be unnecessary, can't really even get a good idea ...
I'm basing most of my assumptions off of beta keys and stuff
and in beta keys, assassination was kinda owning
spice surge
and in beta keys, assassination was kinda owning
Yeah but that does not fit the narrative
stuck lodge
I'm basing most of my assumptions off of beta keys and stuff
Like once you get to higher keys I imagine? Right now all the stuff just falls over before I can really ramp
frosty cedar
right now its m0 so I dont think that counts as keys at all, stuff is definitely getting oneshotted
strange onyx
Like once you get to higher keys I imagine? Right now all the stuff just falls o...
12 - 16 kinda chillin
weak blaze
I want to add my unhealthy dose of doom so assassination gets some tuning (yes f...
Where do you see that?
stuck lodge
oof, I've never done keys that high
frosty cedar
real
strange onyx
Taking it down in 2 min
flint tusk
👀
flint tusk
holy fuck
frosty cedar
flint tusk
those are huge
And the following Retribution Paladin note has been adjusted, with an additional new bug fix.
Final Verdict damage increased by ~~30%~~ 15%.
We got any ret pally watchers?
strange onyx
I was a ret main for many years
storm forum
Blizzard pls stop, every time we get ignored in a balance blue post my cock shrinks 1 inch T.T
frosty cedar
im telling you guys blizzard knows something we dont
last boss IS starting at 35% hp you can refer back to this post
strange onyx
I think you will be surprised by rogue spec with cleave and cds
frosty cedar
thanks loa of misinformation
pulsar coral
amg last minute tuning update looks inside rip
bright turret
final boss will have add waves with a super high priority add starts at 30% hp you want funneled down
misty holly
How bad is Strength of Halazzi enchant? The one that makes an 18 second dot.
celest helm
How bad is Strength of Halazzi enchant? The one that makes an 18 second dot.
prob sim it
or feelscraft it and let us know
misty holly
Well I just had to craft several of them for skill points, so Im hoping they aren't too crap.
misty holly
Blizzard scared to give people a dot since gushing wounds.