assassination

[runic hinge]

its also fun

i do miss shiv a bit

[drifting cloud]

no you dont

liar

[storm forum]

I will be playing DS so I can pretend shiv does something until I get annoyed I can't target swap

[stuck knoll]

[little tulip]

shiv still works in pvp

induces terminal case of wheelchair :b

[soft marsh]

I sometimes still press it in rotation out of habit

[storm forum]

Is the pvp meta slowed down yet and is RPS good again?

Cause those are my conditions to play arena

[runic hinge]

it was something to do that required timing and such that wasnt just send cds and forget

[storm forum]

Although my priest and shaman have already quit so maybe not.....

[stuck knoll]

I am with you I quite liked shiv tbh

I liked assas cds from the last 2 expacs

[earnest remnant]

ok warrior main

quiet now

[stuck knoll]

Not anymore

I am only rogue

[runic hinge]

that's shien now

[earnest remnant]

cant take the warrior out of the guy

[stuck knoll]

[little tulip]

tbh i think blizzard is having trouble with envenom being our aoe and st finisher

[earnest remnant]

you well forever now be dentheaded

[stuck knoll]

That’s my secret

[tight ginkgo]

[stuck knoll]

I always was

Okay I go on plane now gl

[runic hinge]

GL HF

[storm forum]

O7

[little tulip]

wavewavewave

[storm forum]

Have a good flight

[lethal turtle]

Pretty sure I’m running TWD this season for galactic

[storm forum]

What's galactic? And is TWD ww/uhdk?

[lethal turtle]

WW and a dk prob will be UH

That’s the seasonal title and mount

[storm forum]

Oh neat

[lethal turtle]

My WW RSK/RWK hits for 150k

Pretty nuts on our goes vscary

[storm forum]

That sounds fair and balanced

[lethal turtle]

Idk if anything hits harder than WW right now but we squishy af. Maybe surv with boom stick

[storm forum]

Sounds terrifying, I will be avoiding the arena for the foreseeable future

[runic hinge]

I will get 1800 and then quit

[rugged basalt]

oh ya im gonna replace everything anyway u right

i was half thinking while typing, correction: is it wasteful to gem champ gear

[runic hinge]

depends on how much gold you got

[rugged basalt]

that answer works for me ty

[storm forum]

I think you buy gems/enchants to use before whatever you think is something tough or stat-checky. That might be a +10 or heroic, or normal end boss

I will be buying what i cant make tonight cause I think prices will spike on Tuesday

[lethal turtle]

Def enchant everything after heroic raids

[storm forum]

But that's speculation on my part

[lethal turtle]

Def enchanting everything before heroic raid

[rugged basalt]

i was gonna buy and hold

[solar wyvern]

I had my toons level enchanting going from 89-90 and concentrated on haste and mastery enchants 8)

Beeg brain

[rugged basalt]

my god i just saw the prices

hero track it is

[half dawn]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[boreal lichen]

is there a personell food for main stat too or just the feast ?

[earnest remnant]

yes there is

[boreal lichen]

found it ty

[restive inlet]

This might be a stupid question, but hopewfully someone has patience for me. I'm trying to import the full UI from Whispyr's wowhead guide, but I'm clearly doing something wrong as I can't name it and press import after pasting the string. Any idea where I'm being stupid?

[slim hamlet]

Is it the edit mode base wow UI thing? If so I think there is a max amount you can have, maybe it's that? Just an idea

[restive inlet]

Oh, nvm, I figured it out, the cooldown manager icons where somehow placed underneath my action bars. Thought I had to reinstall or something there lol

ty man

[limber grail]

Are we cooked?

[forest onyx]

assa it's a joke i hope

[primal parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-over-it's-gif-3551756699416095564

[waxen blaze]

Was thinking of picking up assa this season, will it still be playable with that sim dps? :c

[little tulip]

i think assa has gotten less pug friendly in "higher keys" since tww season 2

definitely playable but you just kinda sits sometimes

[forest onyx]

only outlaws will be viable in raid i think

[royal lantern]

i love patch notes and the very smart and informed takes that appear everywhere after them

[little tulip]

also incidentally assa is the only rogue spec that doesn't have a restless blades mechanic now that rupture sniping is gone

[royal lantern]

see? thats what i mean

[little tulip]

[royal lantern]

ah yes, sub and its "restless blades mechanics"

who doesnt know them

[analog field]

Every day the takes get more and more cooked

what is everyone smoking really

[little tulip]

i have a teacup full of alcohol jello

its like thicc water

[red cloak]

sorry just read the guide and saw that garrote applies deathstalker's mark and that we dont take subterfuge so do we ever even press ambush anymore?

[coral ibex]

not as an opener, no

[royal lantern]

its just so insane

spec undertuned, and instead of simply going "yeha its undertuned and blizz sleeps once again" its ALWAYS making up some weird conspiracys, or the good old "actually everything is fundamentally broken!!!!"

[coral ibex]

you'll press it via blindside procs tho

which replaces mutilate

[red cloak]

yeah my bad but i meant besides that sorry

[analog field]

Yeah and even worse ok, we are at 80k DPS or 85 idk, and sub is 95

who cares

even if these numbers are final

yeah ok we deal a bit less dmg

get over it

like why does that affect our gameplay

[coral ibex]

its ok bro surely 3/24 tuning

[analog field]

I could understand the case if we did 30k and the rest 100 like arms was

but now we are doing 85 and most specs do 100

[coral ibex]

thats my issue, it probably wont matter what spec i play unless tuning changes

[analog field]

and if I need to change spec for DPS reasons(which honestly never is needed) ok just swap and go next

[strange onyx]

Its because we don’t have anyone doing our sims anymore

So we appear lower than we need be

[faint mural]

For sure

[analog field]

and everyone coming here and saying oh we are cooked no aoe blind

Like half the people are not pressing it regardless

and suddenly they remembered it exists

and if you are not doing a 20 you don't need a stop

[little tulip]

yes yes more cdr from bleeds lasting longer than 20-30 seconds on a target

[gray raven]

just swapping back and forth between sub and sin right now on aoe dummies - sin damage in 5 target is awful

there needs to be a serious buff

[red cloak]

well its kinda cope like "my damage is bad because my spec is bad and thats why im not getting invited" but yeah it does suck when ur considered C tier but overall ur right, its not the end of the world and its not that big of a deal

[analog field]

Yeah I puggged my way to 3.6 last season

It was kinda miserable

waiting 20-30-40 minutes in queue

But there will always be specs tuned higher in a season and specs lower

it's the game

[red cloak]

yeah but this is MY spec it needs to be S tier !!

[analog field]

either reroll or play what you like and make friends

[little tulip]

it's a tier 🙂

[coral ibex]

yea but when tuning is better you can make more meaningful choices based on damage profile instead of "this one does a flat 15% more damage in all scenarios"

[red cloak]

i do prefer when a spec has builds not just pick this or your damage suffers

[analog field]

m+ is the same profile whatever dungeon you enter

there is no one (apart from MDI) saying ah in hoa I take assa while in dawn I am taking sub

ofc dawn was better suited for sub but still no one acknowledged

you just take BM huter and frost dk

[red cloak]

just a quick question btw ive always used deathstalker, is there anything special i need to do with fatebound or is it all passive

[analog field]

coz overtuned

[analog field]

passive

[red cloak]

lame

i thought the point of hero talents was to be exciting

[little tulip]

boomkin is just gathering dust in the corner

[high sundial]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[grim jay]

not really

its just to add some flavor

barely any hero tree is exciting

[royal lantern]

the point of them is to add new talent points without extending the existing talent tree

same as "apex talents"

its just funny words to make them sound exciting, when its literally just "we wanna justify 10 more levels"

[near dove]

you guys know if there is a garrote/rupture counter? in tww i had a counter that said X/X depending on the amount of mobs and the amount with rupture or garrote?

[gleaming geyser]

its not a perfect fix but you can track scent of blood for the m+ build

[near dove]

yea actually a good idea but this was perfect :c

[fathom wind]

what add on u using for this

[near dove]

that was b4 midnight, not working anymore

thats why im looking for a alternative one

[fathom wind]

ahhh k i get u wish blizz would put somethink in like this

but that would be to easy for them

[grim jay]

I'd prefer it if their actually useful stuff would work completely

before they do anything of that sort

[red cloak]

what are they gonna do next expansion then lmao what new "talents" 🥀

[fathom wind]

this is true

[royal lantern]

they add another small tree

and after tlt they do a lvl squish and reset the trees

[red cloak]

genius

[grim jay]

or expand the small tree

[plucky ember]

atleast we dont have a PoE talent tree

jesus

[grim jay]

I'd like that

even more illusion of choice

and people that just copy paste anyways still cry about how overwhelming everything is

great entertainment

[hazy sundial]

I was asking the other day about this addon but it seems like it doesn’t exist anymore

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn

[fierce mirage]

macro quesiton:
#showtooltip Deathmark
/use Light's Potential
/use 13
/use 14
/castsequence reset=5 Deathmark, Kingsbane

uses my potion, and deathmark, but not kingsbane. whats wrong?

[gleaming geyser]

deathmark and kingsbane are on the GCD; are you pressing twice?

[fierce mirage]

could have sworn i was, but after doing so again, it worked

[sacred oyster]

Reset should be 90 and add another kingsblood to the list

[coral ibex]

well you have to be able to press kingsbane separately

i dont understand why you'd use this macro

just press kingsbane after dm

[fierce mirage]

i am able and do, its moreso for opening

[sacred oyster]

I use one like this to allow smart spamming it in 1 hot key

[coral ibex]

for opening?

[fierce mirage]

can you provide what yours is? would love that!
for opening rotation

[coral ibex]

yea i know what an opener is lmao

i just press kb tho

[analog field]

I mean you press 2 buttons either way so just press KB

[fierce mirage]

i alwasy ahve too, but if a macro can do it more effieiently, its one less thing to press

[sacred oyster]

On phone but just make reset 90 and add a duplicate kb to the list

[gleaming geyser]

yea I'm not sure why you would bind both on the same keybind because you need 2 keystrokes either way

[coral ibex]

yea its 2 keystrokes

[sacred oyster]

It'll avoid using kb if dm is ready soon

[coral ibex]

and you need the other kb bind anyway

[gleaming geyser]

potion+deathmark+trinket is fine to bind, but have KB on a different key

[coral ibex]

[analog field]

but if you press DM a bit earlier if it is on cd and KB isn't you use KB right? 😂

I mean I can only see bad things happening

[sacred oyster]

Not with sequence

I still have kb on bind too but useful for when trying to quick spam for the dm button to work too

[normal mist]

Why is doing a sequence for ... 2 abilities necessary?

[sacred oyster]

1 button if you hit wrong one it still does what you want

[analog field]

I mean to each their own, but you have one whole sec after DM to use kb

[sacred oyster]

Necessary no but it's nice, I got it from this discord lol

[normal mist]

We get a lot of things in this discord

Even tier lists

[sacred oyster]

Never hurts anything

[normal mist]

Yeah no, if it helps you, pop off king

Better than not using kb at all

[real solar]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Guides:

• WoWhead - by Whispyr
• Method - by Whispyr
• Icy Veins - by Seliathan

[fierce mirage]

just figured pressing the same button twice is simpler than hitting two differnt buttons, even with a one sec difference lol
ran last season without macros at all, and got through heroic easily, so the mechanisms for hitting them all seperately is there regardless for when DM is cd etc

[normal mist]

I mean yeah I get you, it's just funny that now that the game is oversimplified there are still uses for those type of macros

[analog field]

Macros can be useful,but this one is kinda debatable

[fierce mirage]

how so? tried witht he 90 delay as mentioned too, even if spamming it with DM on cd but KB not, it did not cast KB on its own, so sequence is always correct

just saves froma possible misclick when drunk as far as i can tell lol

[analog field]

I mean you can even use a macro
Cast Death mark
Cast kingsbane

and never need a second button

[hazy sundial]

Fuck it Im leveling a WW monk. Cya boys it’s been real

[gray raven]

that's a new take lol

[foggy moat]

how does atrophic poison work in raid? if boss is debuffed, does it nerf ALL damage the fight does (not counting adds)?
'

[royal lantern]

most direct attacks

[fleet whale]

So in your opinion why do you think Assassin didn't get any dps for this pass?

They got some pvp nerfs, so it's not like blizz completely ignored them

[kindred flare]

I'm assuming the implacable buff tracking is still broken?

[hearty junco]

is there any fight in the raid that you guys think assa will excel at?

[haughty flicker]

all of them

its an assa tier

trust

[runic hinge]

Try feral

Bonus is on the top of that sim sheet everyone is parroting

[hearty junco]

i played the steam game and watched bosses, i honestly feel no boss so far is assa... maybe the trio, dunno who wins on 3 target dmg vs outlaw

[hazy sundial]

Cant stand druids and being a cat

[runic hinge]

Cat pfp ?? Ok whatever

Are you not a cat rn?

[hazy sundial]

😐

[runic hinge]

I’m incredibly confused on who I’m talking to you if it’s not you in the pfp

[hazy sundial]

I play fantasy game so i don’t have to be a cat in game too

[hearty junco]

cat pfp is only ok if its your cat

[runic hinge]

Oh okay that makes a ton of sense

[frosty cedar]

agree

[thorn thorn]

i started playing sin and lemme tell ya

spec is pretty fire

[balmy condor]

Not enough data on longer fights I would assume

Idk, assassination was good in beta keys and the cleave damage is strong in raids

Like as much as we meme and stuff that the spec sucks, I also have no idea where it’s going to end up after Tuesday

[hearty junco]

do we ever take sudden demise?

seems raid has many adds that die fast

and some bosses have adds that die fast and 1 bigger add

[balmy condor]

No

[buoyant herald]

All I know is assass has simmed like shit forever and been fine to good as far back as I can remember

[balmy condor]

Sudden demise in dungeons is already very questionable

In raids you can forget it

The day we play sudden demise in raids, hell froze over

[thorn thorn]

Be careful with your words

[plush isle]

did any of you in beta got to Lightblinded Vanguard and knows if you can Cloak the Tyrs Wrath debuff ?

[balmy condor]

It’s definitely behind in ST

[thorn thorn]

Now that you said it its destined to happen at least once

[runic hinge]

Honestly super fun to play. And if they fix the buff tracking it’ll be really good

[balmy condor]

I did the testing but don’t remember which debuff that is

What’s it look like

[buoyant herald]

Yeah, I’m expecting buffs still but I’m not dooming as deeply as others

[plush isle]

the healing absorb debuff that the 3 next players to the boss get

[buoyant herald]

Good CD profile, basically free cleave, strong execute, can’t go too far wrong unless tuned crazy low

[balmy condor]

I’m not too concerned either but it is concerning

If that makes sense

[buoyant herald]

Speaking as not the most competitive player to be fair

[balmy condor]

Yeah I think you could cloak that

[subtle tundra]

i think its a joke!

[real pike]

It did have some heroic moments on rookery last boss

I'll always remember it for that

[balmy condor]

I’ll remember it for being a single player talent that didn’t work in single player content

[real pike]

Omg ur so negative GOD

[balmy condor]

True

[buoyant herald]

I’ll never forget demisemaxxing

[balmy condor]

Leave a hate comment on my YouTube video about how negative I am please

The algorithm feeds off your rage

[plush isle]

a pessimist is an optimist with experience

[spiral cypress]

I've left a like after ur take on assa, loved that long speech ❤️

[balmy condor]

I’m not even that pessimistic honestly

Assassinations gonna be fine

[subtle tundra]

false

[balmy condor]

Shut up varas

[spiral cypress]

https://giphy.com/gifs/this-is-fine-2UCt7zbmsLoCXybx6t

[subtle tundra]

sub will reign

[buoyant herald]

Ew no not again

[balmy condor]

Yeah cause I’m gonna top that ass

[mortal pond]

is it worth learning assa rogue how it is currently? or is it pretty bad? on a high end m+/ mythic raider scale

[thorn thorn]

40% KB buff right before mythic opens

Calling it now

[buoyant herald]

It’s very very easy

[balmy condor]

It’s a bit undertuned but it’ll be fine

[subtle tundra]

kb deletion on mythic open

[balmy condor]

Not like there’s much to “learn” lmao

[mortal pond]

i have learned it so far, just not mastered

[runic hinge]

They’re gonna uncap it

[thorn thorn]

[runic hinge]

And make it stack off all poison applications again

[buoyant herald]

If you’ve learned it you’ve probably mostly mastered it

[thorn thorn]

Your terms are acceptable

[plush isle]

Blizzard Executive: 15% Aurabuff is all i can do

[latent kernel]

This would genuinely make me so happy

[thorn thorn]

Also acceptable

[polar sail]

I see future 24 march buff assa

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1412821415643582545/1480972755129073738/CBF35687-5285-413B-84AF-46B2C9BF1C8E.gif

[mortal pond]

as a new assa player, what is there to uncap? :D

[buoyant herald]

3% as is tradition

[latent kernel]

Kingsbane dmg ramps with poison applications, currently capped at 50, so anytime you get an application above 50 no additional increase

[mortal pond]

i seee

[balmy condor]

Honestly if it was like 10% ST and a 5-10% aoe nerf along the idea of what sub got, assa would be banging

[latent kernel]

When you say ST you just mean aura buff right and then nerf aoe?

They’d probably just tune caustic again if they aura buffed us

Psychic link for assassination

[runic hinge]

Call me assa

[hazy sundial]

AoE nerf for assa?

[balmy condor]

Would prefer a hefty ct/fok damage nerf but yeh

[balmy condor]

Yes

If they just aura buff us we’d be insano aoe

[storm forum]

They're gonna give us the shadow priest special and nerf spatter to 10% or something

[runic hinge]

That’s fine with me

[limber monolith]

Hi all, question regarding the weapon enchant as per the Wowhead guide. Are we putting Berserker's rage on both weapons; or do we want to put the primary stat enchant or something else on the second weapon? Does double stacking the enchant make it proc more often?

Asking because I noticed Sub rogue was using 2 different weapon enchants whereas Assa had only one of them

[sullen bramble]

0 tuning on the 17th for assa... what are everyone's thoughts on this? are we in a good place already?

[thorn thorn]

My thoughts match this

[buoyant herald]

It’s concerning but we’re not concerned ™️

[thorn thorn]

instead

[severe meadow]

I’m a little concerned low key

Blizzard tuning has been something wild so far

[thorn thorn]

Dont be cuz think about it like this

If they forget about assa and we manage to go into raid as the lowest simming ST spec

[royal lantern]

are you sure? did you ping him to check if your thoughts are the same?

[thorn thorn]

We can get more banger screenshots of getting pink or yellow parses while also being last on logs

[severe meadow]

I mean it’s not just about rogue

I mean the tuning in general

[buoyant herald]

Remember Undermine

[severe meadow]

I’m playing rogue either way

[buoyant herald]

The tuning for the 17th actually smoothed things out a tonne

Overall

There’s still problems but it looks a lot more normal, but there’s no doubt we should have been here like 2-3 weeks ago

[thorn thorn]

Only dooming allowed is the ironic kind

[thorn thorn]

Dont worry

I saw the future

And in the future assa sims higher than unholy

[severe meadow]

I think the sub tuning was also questionable

[royal lantern]

i mean, it absolutely is

the raid is 90% cleave and they nerfed the cleave on sub when sub allready was not really that great in cleave lol

[subtle tundra]

isnt assa INSANEZO at cleave?!?

buf ass?

[thorn thorn]

Dont care about sub or outlaw so I didnt bother to check the future about those 2

[royal lantern]

varas

srsly

[thorn thorn]

[royal lantern]

shut your trap

[subtle tundra]

what

why

[severe meadow]

They nerfed its cleave

Which was like

[thorn thorn]

I already used my future sight on assa

[runic hinge]

He wants you to shut it so he can kiss it

[thorn thorn]

What if instead of Ravenholdt it was named Freakholdt and all the people were freaks

[runic hinge]

We’d just have to change the name

[severe meadow]

We’re already freaks

[balmy condor]

Generally you can enchant crit mast or haste and be totally fine, kinda gear dependent which you do. They do stack, the proc rate is the same, the proc is twice the amount

Realistically you would have to sim it and adjust based on what you have

If you (like me) are too lazy to do that and can’t be fucked, pick crit/haste/mast as you wish and just roll with it

It’s like missives for crafting

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow wtf spec is garbage cant even beat a healer in overall

[severe meadow]

Okay is the ele healing

What am I looking at

[balmy condor]

Art

[thorn thorn]

nope this was a nnormal m0, there is no trickery with the specs or spec icons

[buoyant herald]

Blursed art

[thorn thorn]

Im glad someone appreciates my art

[buoyant herald]

Ele on /follow I presume

[thorn thorn]

idk what the ele was doing he was just there for lust

The rogue was

[balmy condor]

Rogue doing less than resto with windfury and lust is giga illegal

Maybe assa is actually difficult

[thorn thorn]

is windfury actually that big for assa

[low zenith]

3% dmg to bleeds and poisons. yeah its pretty good

or whatever amount windfury gives

[thorn thorn]

his top dam was either spatter or envenom

cant remember

[buoyant herald]

Overall it’s around 5% I believe

Single best buff for all rogue specs

If you trust the fuu sheet anyway

[thorn thorn]

I trust no data aggregation sheets

[buoyant herald]

🤷‍♂️

[thorn thorn]

I trust only the words of the experts of the specs

[balmy condor]

7%

[thorn thorn]

pog

[loud niche]

No assa buff is actually insane.

[thorn thorn]

Dont worry

Sub got a nerf too

For some reason

[humble verge]

like me

[lethal turtle]

Don’t worry you won’t see another buff 24th either

[thorn thorn]

I wouldnt trust your word if you had 11 phd's on the subject

[balmy condor]

Erm

[thorn thorn]

I dont trust you to not bait me

[balmy condor]

You can’t have multiple PhD’s on one subject

The phd is already in a subject

[humble verge]

well you can tho?

well if its a broad subject

you can have phds over different parts

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1095046596833583185/1459525148792324226/67.avif

[humble verge]

if they can fullfill a phd

[thorn thorn]

Cant take the word of anybody that uses mp4s in 2026

Some truly demonic people out there

[humble verge]

ill find where you live rox

and eat your boxers

and leave them in strings

[thorn thorn]

and do what

Send me a box with mp4s?

[humble verge]

yeah, on a 2tb nvme pcie gen 5 m.2

[thorn thorn]

Bro had to look it up

[humble verge]

i just forgot

if we had gen 5 or not

[thorn thorn]

[humble verge]

then i forgot

i actually do have one myself

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1205267724696031273/1407563922780717130/sideyeing.gif

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050078382018265178/1454397083413909630/ezgif-395a166e2e34663d.gif

[thorn thorn]

lemme know if you find a brain in there

I been looking for it

[jade igloo]

It's an Assa tier, rejoice!

[humble verge]

says who?

[copper vector]

Isn’t outlaw technically simming the highest right now ? Or am I totally wrong

[humble verge]

its inflated

[buoyant herald]

Outlaw sims high and performs low almost every season

[humble verge]

outlaw is always inflated

[jade igloo]

The oops we missed this tunning is coming tomorrow

[low zenith]

SURELY.

just a "hey btw we forgot this class!"

[crude helm]

Inb4 it’s just a fdk buff

[storm forum]

Assa gonna be insane trust

Massive execute damage Amp value

[humble verge]

is there any amp value anywhere

(i am doing 4 splits next week and have yet to read tacts)

[royal lantern]

isnt the cope for 3 years now "priority dmg"?

[storm forum]

-# (no idea, let us know when you get in there)

[storm forum]

That's for m+ and I think we're already chilling in that regard

[fallow canopy]

nk has a 25% amp on p2 iirc

other than that I haven't read much

[thorn thorn]

Priority and funnel with DS

[zenith elm]

Hey brother ! ❤️

[ocean garden]

sorry for the potential naive question: can i already commission the weapon farstriders mercy as per whispyrs guide now or do we wait for the season to start to get hero dawncrests? If i get it crafted now without dawncrests is there a way to upgrade it later or does this go through recrafting (dont know the crafting system too well)?

[humble verge]

recraft

[ocean garden]

okay, would you say to hold off so i dont need to go through recrafting?

[humble verge]

i mean

if youre not raiding like top 20 in the world

it doesnt really matter if you craft now or on wednesday

[ocean garden]

alright, thank you 🙂

[robust axle]

Never use hero crests on crafts tho

[humble verge]

but you can hold off on crafting for wednesday

i guess its veteran crests u use

and then you just wait for mythic week and you pop those into the dagger for recraft

[robust axle]

Yea you prob use 160 vet crests to craft your 2 spark items

[waxen oyster]

just get dagger first kill

then be stuck with 259 offhand most of early tier

[humble verge]

i mean

its 1 week?

[waxen oyster]

I meant if you get mythic wep first kill

you’d send your myth crests into it no?

not your crafted

[frosty cedar]

you can't use vet crests to craft spark items, only hero and myth for purple gear

[waxen oyster]

vet is just to make 246 blue gear

which happens to technically be purple

[robust axle]

I guess we just craft without crests week 1 then 🤔

[latent kernel]

Does anyone know how many weeks go by until they uncap crests completely?

[buoyant herald]

Not sure they’ve confirmed they’re doing it again yet?

But previously was what like 3-4 months in

[lethal turtle]

They will uncap it when you don’t need them anymore

[latent kernel]

I find the system of earning crests just to save for optimization kind of weird, almost wish they would just hard cap upgrade level for all items every week instead of obfuscating it through crests

[buoyant herald]

Saving for optimization is something 99% of people give too much weight to

Especially since the perceived efficiency changes based on things that drop in the future

[latent kernel]

My guild cracks me up because they optimize this stuff like we don’t end up getting CE 2 weeks before the season ends everytime anyways lol

[buoyant herald]

Exactly

If you’re hyper competitive (like actually) then you want to spike your ilvl right as you get to any truly difficult bosses right

So there could some hijinks

There’s a small argument to be made for holding veteran crests now to craft 246 gear in any remaining low ilvl slots after next weeks m0 sweep

But at the very very best outcome there you’re replacing 4 237 bits with 246 if you’ve been incredibly unlucky otherwise

[robust axle]

I guess that’s only if you don’t have 240 vet gear in those slots, since it’s cheaper to upgrade twice than craft an item no?

[buoyant herald]

Yep

But then suddenly mplus is out and you’re replacing those bits the day after you finally use them anyway so

[buoyant herald]

This is the exact quote I was thinking of hahaha

Oh man I only got a green parse, it’s probably my imperfect secondary stat distribution which was entirely out of my control 🤡

[violet island]

This is absolutely true but I think people misinterpret it. IMO he's not saying don't optimize gear, he's saying look at a fucking raid fight

[violet island]

Yeah, 259 is no crests

[thorn thorn]

More like look at whats happening in general

Look at the boss

Look at the floor

Look at your toes

Especially the toes

Dont stand in nothing bad

Very shrimple

[azure carbon]

I mean what he's saying is is that optimizing you're gear is far less important than not fucking dying.

[red schooner]

Looking down in real life, what now?

[violet island]

why not do both

[thorn thorn]

Most people arent capable of doing both

[waxen oyster]

Instructions unclear

looked at other toes

[azure carbon]

If you're not hof tier not fucking dying is almost always better if you have only a limited attention to put into the game.

So put the attention into not dying first.

[thorn thorn]

It really only applies to people that get floor pov every boss

If you are parsing green or getting floor pov constantly

Your stats are low on the priority list there

[latent kernel]

My favorite is guilds that give items to who it would be the best theoretical upgrade on, meanwhile the person is grey parsing

[azure carbon]

I mean if he learned how to play his class, and also how to play the fights, it's clearly the best option.

😂

[latent kernel]

This item gonna get him into green parse territory surely

[azure carbon]

At least high grey.

[manic veldt]

I'm having issue with the spec going on into raid next week . I'm sub right now what you think will be best for raiding sub or assass?

[storm forum]

whichever you think you can perform better on

the sims are made up, stat prios are close enough, and tuning pre-mythic is still up in the air so its whichever ur more comfy on imo

[manic veldt]

Thx

[night delta]

little question regarding crafting : once an item is crafted, we don't need more sparks to recraft it, correct ?

so we can for example craft at champion level and recraft later at hero or mythic when we get the crests ?

[plucky ember]

what if i got webbed toes....cant see between them then

[zinc frost]

Correct

[thorn thorn]

Send pics

[plucky ember]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-bobby-singer-shh-be-quiet-shut-up-gif-17426728

[night delta]

great good, so then first order of business wednesday will be to get my champion dagger

[chilly marsh]

are we so bad that they removed us from the ranking 😂 https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/wow-midnight-season-1-dps-sim-rankings-at-item-level-290/

[forest nacelle]

isn't that the paywalled list?

before nerfs?

like ive seen those numbers before

[chilly marsh]

not sure just cheked icyveins and we are not there

[latent kernel]

Does haste make our dots tick faster

[spice surge]

Yes

[thorn thorn]

eleem

[spice surge]

Hello

[thorn thorn]

how r u

[spice surge]

My arms hurt from exercising too much

But otherwise its good

[thorn thorn]

big gains

[storm forum]

We're probably not on the list cause our simc thing isn't finished yet

or they saw whispyr crash out

[spice surge]

Assa is not on the list because whispyr has not yet pushed a default profile

[severe meadow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/631293844322779149/1482886170907246612/image0.gif

[thorn thorn]

Not me bro

Im different

[forest nacelle]

on a side note those sims are incorrect for the characters that are getting tunning on the 17th anyways.

[spice surge]

Yeah

[frigid pilot]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[woeful wigeon]

any good rogue plater target frames looking for someting to track mark easier in big pulls

[spice surge]

You cant do anything to make it more visible

[limber grail]

Assassination is ranked 27 of 27 dps specs, meaning they are in last place. Thats wiiiild. Never seen that before for any Rogue spec ever.

[thorn thorn]

Ranked on what

[haughty flicker]

You know

[pure bridge]

vibes

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/genshin-impact-source-made-it-up-dottore-harbinger-gif-26718790

[lone pasture]

penis

[woeful wigeon]

we all know its from you bro just say it XD

[balmy condor]

From me?

[lone pasture]

the druids sent mine to him willingly

I hate druids

[balmy condor]

I never said assassination is the worst dps

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Assassination is fine

It’s undertuned definitely

But like, you still probably play it in raid

[marble bane]

How close are each spec dps wise

Compared to each other

[lone pasture]

all withint 0.001% blizzard would never let us down

[balmy condor]

Rogue specs are within 10% of each other

[thorn thorn]

I should have invited whispyr to join us or hired him to flame you the whole time we did dungeons

[lone pasture]

[waxen oyster]

most people are going to get to bosses by the time of the mid tier assa buffs

happens every season

[lone pasture]

bro imagine whispyr watching my boomy get beat by the resto druid

[thorn thorn]

He already knows

I sent him the details image

Mostly for the rogue tho

[lone pasture]

[limber grail]

I’ve switched between Sin and Sub.

The underlying issue for Sin is the energy regen is absolutely horrible, would be nice if they reverted Crimson Tempest back to a finisher and functions like before with the added current effect of spreading Rupture and Garrote.

Even with Sub having massive downtime it’s still better in PvE.

[waxen oyster]

massive downtime

lol?

[thorn thorn]

[waxen oyster]

you have dance 8s every 20

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr dont

[waxen oyster]

fym

[thorn thorn]

Dont read it whispyr no

[waxen oyster]

that's not as good as ross arguing with himself

[thorn thorn]

Ok well thats not really a fair comparison

Ross losing an argument to himself is easily the best screenshot i have

[waxen oyster]

also didnt they say they intended to slow sin down

[thorn thorn]

Such a peak interaction

[waxen oyster]

the spec was excessively fast

[thorn thorn]

ye

The design intent was to slow the spec down and have pooling be a primary gimmic of the spec

Which they failed to do pretty hilariously

[limber grail]

And you are saying there is no downtime in PvE?

[waxen oyster]

there was no downtime in tww

[spice surge]

Yet they didnt slow it down

[limber grail]

Yes, which is absolutely insane.

[waxen oyster]

yeah it plays fine

when i tested it in prepatch

idk

[thorn thorn]

And also forgot to make pooling matter

[limber grail]

At level 81, assassination felt pretty good. Soon as you hit 90, you feel like re-rolling.

[viscid spear]

One down, one wrist to go

[waxen oyster]

i mean i played it a bit yesterday

i really fail to see whats wrong with the raid build

[thorn thorn]

#assassination message

[waxen oyster]

i mean it's 100% true

look what happened when sub used to have permanent dance

no dances did any real damage

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/poe-path-of-exile-login-play-poe-login-gif-26508840

[limber grail]

That’s an easy damage increase fix, but not having it for 10 seconds at a time when charges run out is unacceptable. Not exactly a discussion in the Sin chat though.

[waxen oyster]

...what

you can either have infinite resources

that do no damage

[thorn thorn]

[balmy condor]

Literally an impossible damage increase fix

[waxen oyster]

or finite ones that do damage

you cant have both

just look at outlaw entirety of tww

energy fake resource you just hit a gorillion times

to do some damage

sepulcher sub was an era where you could dance 4x in a row and somehow that still did less damage than a single dance window of tww s3 sub

[dusky granite]

Grass wasn’t greener, man. People complained about stealth as a mechanic to do more damage. They said our cognitive load was too much. Now we get to do no damage and press 20 buttons per minute because we have no energy.

feelsbadman

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

Lol whispyr literally beat the restealth argument to death

the entirety of tww

[haughty flicker]

[waxen oyster]

the tldr is most people cant multidot without IC holding their hand

[limber grail]

There are many classes out there with abilities, and especially AoE abilities that are free to cast and cost zero resources. So the question we should be asking is why does Rogue always get shafted. Why always so much downtime. Why such high energy cost for finishers.

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Are the classes in the room with us

[waxen oyster]

plays an energy class

"why do we have downtime"

[thorn thorn]

I actually cant think of a single class that has a free aoe ability with zero resource cost

[waxen oyster]

also specs like fury have historically been the biggest flatline dps profile

ever

[thorn thorn]

That is actually worth pressing

[waxen oyster]

due to their infinite spam

[thorn thorn]

Maybe fury or arms

[haughty flicker]

bear

ez

swipe op

[waxen oyster]

im pretty sure fury isnt that bursty in their regular bt ramp spam

[dusky granite]

Tbh, we have free AoE in caustic spatter, it just sucks now

[thorn thorn]

It def isnt free but it was reigned in

[spice surge]

Yeah but they have big cooldowns to compensate for that, or their other spells suck

You cant just have everything

[waxen oyster]

it doesnt suck

amir/tww caustic was just grossly strong

for how tiny of a commitment it was

[thorn thorn]

Ye

Is still pretty goodge

[waxen oyster]

caustic in its old state was kind of why i guessed

sin would be the default raid spec in tww

[thorn thorn]

Dots in general tend to be really strong in high target counts

[waxen oyster]

since it just lines up so well with boss adds

on average

periodic short lived spawns

[thorn thorn]

Especially if you can spread them to a lot of targets easily like sin can

[waxen oyster]

alot of people complained about restealth since they had to manually redot mobs

despite chaining with scents active was a dps gain

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Ye well people also complained about the stealth requirement to multi-dot and wanted a way to spread dots without it

And now that they have it

They dont like it and want the old way back

[waxen oyster]

Well yeah most people cant fathom multidot

[thorn thorn]

Blizzard just cant catch a break

[waxen oyster]

without someone to do it for them

[thorn thorn]

Multidotting is a bit of a meme now since in big 2026 every dot spec has some vehicle to spread X amount of dots quickly

[spice surge]

Ye multidotting doesnt really exist nowadays

Unfortunate, but it is what it is

[thorn thorn]

The closest thing to it is boomie with their moonfire hitting a whooping 2 targets instead of 1

[haughty flicker]

spriest likely will manually spread pain in high keys

[waxen oyster]

xd

[haughty flicker]

ironically bm used to actually multidot

[thorn thorn]

Or shadow priest having to manually multidot swp one target at a time if you take the good choice node

[haughty flicker]

but they made that not necessary in midnight

[waxen oyster]

idk the seasons sub had infinite dance

were probably the least fun i had playing that spec

because you press dance realize you barely did anything

0 impact filler

[thorn thorn]

Generally infinite duration cds suck to play with since the spec becomes designed around having that and downtime because even more punishing

[waxen oyster]

for an entire 4-5 minutes

[thorn thorn]

It just becomes a maintenance buff

And not an actual cd

[waxen oyster]

yeah they're typically built around cdr

and spending more feeding the loop

[thorn thorn]

Like old pre midnight combustion

[waxen oyster]

outlaw was basically that

[thorn thorn]

Had something like 70-80% uptime in ST and you did sub tank dps without it

[jolly delta]

Just got into my assassination rogue in Midnight. What happened? My rogue feels broke 🙁

[waxen oyster]

entire spec revolved around crackshot windows

and near always adr

which was fun but

your windows themselves did very little individually

since it was always up

[balmy condor]

They made it simpler, bleed spreading more consistent, removed stealth requirements

[jolly delta]

envenom feels weak, cooldowns don't feel like they do anything significant, thistle tea is automatically consumed?? why make it a spell, then? I am not a happy rogue right now.

[hollow walrus]

am i still allowed to complain to my tank about restealthing?

[thorn thorn]

Ye but like one one hand the qol is nice

But on the other is I really wouldnt want to multidot with the current default plates

Not yet anyway

[humble verge]

actually might not be benched for splits or prog

we are currently only 21 gamers

[viscid spear]

We are more than 20 gamers, problem is we don't have 20 Mythic gamers for after we get AotC

[lethal turtle]

Why have I seen this character 600 times today

[haughty flicker]

you're right normally its a bit more

uber is slacking today

[lethal turtle]

Is this his spectrum niche talent

[coral ibex]

spamming chiikawa mp4 files?

yes

[lethal turtle]

That’s wild. His is so cool. Mine is finding a new song that I like and playing 400 times on repeat

[severe meadow]

https://gifconvert.vxtwitter.com/convert.avif?url=https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/HBWUTLnbgAA7KYN.mp4

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1108649133666996235/1408977811871633478/ezgif-1596ec9c85c4a5.gif

[onyx crane]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html is assa so bad that it's not even worht mentioning?

[coral ibex]

#assassination message

[onyx crane]

fair

[limber grail]

Currently in last place vs all dps in the game. Never happened before in the history of wow. But with how few play Rogue, maybe they got neglected a bit.

I miss Legion because it was one of the best expansions for Rogue.

[onyx crane]

so dps is lowest and we get no buffs, or is it gonna be like DF 28% dmg boost and still mid

[balmy condor]

Didn’t you say this earlier and refuse to elaborate

[thorn thorn]

How much is sin simming for

I would be impressed to find something lower than arms

[balmy condor]

92.5ish

[thorn thorn]

Ya thats def not last

Pretty comfortable amount above arms

Might even be better than shadow

[waxen oyster]

I mean, assa has never simmed high

its 2026 and people still link patchwerk sims

[thorn thorn]

Poor arms

Imagine getting spoonfed a 15% aura buff and still being the worst dps in the game

[thorn thorn]

People are gonna ignore that detail

[balmy condor]

It’s gonna be the same thing as always, our st is low, our aoe is high, it’ll get tuned, sub/assa will be fine

[thorn thorn]

But I wanna be angry nowwwww

when there is so much content to do

That actually matters

[waxen oyster]

also everyone forgot

sub simmed super low

in mfo

[thorn thorn]

wait you mean to tell me the specs damage profile has a pretty big impact on how good it is in raid

https://tenor.com/view/regretting-thinking-nervous-macaco-monkey-gif-13105982953111325972

[waxen oyster]

nah every boss is patchwerk st

clearly

no amps

[split veldt]

we using this when we dont have access to feasts? wowhead guide said secondary stat food?

[balmy condor]

yeah that's fine

[normal mist]

thats my roast btw

[rapid patio]

how

[royal hazel]

gigga kek at the latest whispyr video. legit how we all feeling right now in this sub.

[buoyant herald]

might be worse in the sub sub

[royal hazel]

anyways, is there any min/maxing we can do

on fatebound

M+

recast imp garrote before it drops off - check

energy pooling

with implacable - check

and do we know in the openner if its envenom before cds

as per the "prepatch way"

[twilit lagoon]

Not sure where to post this, but I noticed the Wowhead article lists Fatebound for M+ in the overview, but is showing the key talents for Deathstalker

The calculator is fine, I did a quick double take when I saw it

[balmy condor]

hmmmm

I definitely changed that

let me push another update

[twilit lagoon]

Let me clear cache, maybe it's on my end

[balmy condor]

nop

it's still on wowhead servers

I push again

hold on

doesn't help that when I'm editing the cheat sheet, I see this

but ya know

such is life

so ahead and refresh

[twilit lagoon]

Yep, looks good

[balmy condor]

nice

sometimes gotta slap the servers around a little bit to do their job

[twilit lagoon]

lol

[golden storm]

I love Rogue but we are down bad. I’d actually love if AP wasn’t needed for RWF and we got skipped. Thats how Hunter and DK got attention. Rogue needs something, we need a ton of buffs to be competitive and our utility is the “the raid can stand slightly closer on pull” and shitty Devo aura.

@balmy condor you’re a legend for the sandwich bit mate.

[balmy condor]

it's funny you pinged me about it

cause we're not actually that bad

we'll see come next week I guess

[golden storm]

Clarification on “ton of buffs”. My devourer needs a mage thats it everything else is gravy. My rogue wants shaman, warrior. monk and DH depending on spec haha.

M+ is brutal for non wizards.

Not to stroke your ego @balmy condor but my guild discord has been full of “I guess ret can keep the discord open” meanwhile you’re just straight aura farming by eating a sandwich. I’m sure the shout out from shindigg helped haha. Stay the course. 🫡

[balmy condor]

yeah m+ is definitely a bit of a pandora's box

but m+ is a lot more ethereal in general

like maybe shaman sucks giga ass

but if they're giving 6% to the other two dps and the tank then GG

you need a bloodlust spec, maybe mage sucks and you bring a shaman

some dungeon needs giga CC so you literally cannot take a rogue

[twilit lagoon]

I only just got into m0s this week, but man the pacing feels kinda weird for CDs in some dungeons.

[balmy condor]

some other dungeon is giga AOE, so you gotta take some giga AOE spec

some other dungeon isn't

[buoyant herald]

lucky that ele is looking strong again

[balmy condor]

some third dungeon is insanely giga prio heavy and you need some funnel spec

like it's so much more complicated than raid tuning

because there's so much more that goes into it

(even though meta generally will still trend towards "does big damage"

but yeh

m+ balance is a can of worms I don't really like touching

everyone has a different opinion about what the most important thing is

some people will bitch about raid buffs in m+, others about CC, others about things like dispels and off-healing

[golden storm]

I think there is a fundamental disconnect between the wizards and us. Imagine if fire mage required Skyfury for procs. It would never stand. I think the proposed 8% mystic touch showed just how stupid it is. If I play devourer without a mage? Oh well 3% int. If I play rogue without a shaman? That’s like 6%-8% of my damage.

[balmy condor]

single target, aoe, burst, funnel, prio

[golden storm]

Taking away AoE blind was criminal

Especially with Deathstalker.

Rogue hero talents have been a joke since TWW beta and we’d still dealing with it. Deathstalker should add a “smart kick” that always hits the priority without having to swap for DPS loss.

[zinc frost]

Never understood why they took it away

[golden storm]

At least they threw us a bone with the trap disarm in the lothraxion dungeon but we won’t be meta so it won’t alter route. Just like shroud.

[misty holly]

Give rogues like a locked chest with a buff for everyone inside, or a locked door that lets us skip a painful trash pull. They don't need to add another raid buff for us, just some environment design that lets rogues do something.

This class has been streamlined into nothing but a dps number - I mean most classes have been, but that design is most apparent on rogue because they used to do so many other things, at least some of the time.

[golden storm]

We are a one shot equation from being excluded from world first. Probably won’t happen because raider perform better with health but it’s such a small thing. The irritating part is knowing don’t compete with a log with all the buffs. Playing without a Shaman feel awful.

[waxen oyster]

aoe blind lol

it was better when stopping a cast made them stop casting

so not even good in tww

[golden storm]

I’m not asking for the impossible, I’m trying to be reasonable haha. Our guide writer ate a sandwich for our updates.

[waxen oyster]

And like m+ meta is stupid

fdk was better for the rogue slot

in every way regardless

If you intend to pug instead of make friends like a normal person expect to reroll to the perceived "best" class every season.

[golden storm]

M+ is stupid but objectively favors wizards. Let’s say VDH is the worst tank. You can still put it with pretty much any wizard combo and you don’t feel like you’re griefing.

[waxen oyster]

well yeah because being in melee is in the trenches

[golden storm]

That’s part of the problem, I’m in a guild, I do 3K, I don’t pug. You think anyone on my guild is rolling brewmaster!?!

[waxen oyster]

every melee spec that has been "meta" in keys is because it does absolutely gross damage

when enhance was doing 7m openers in s1 people started listed thunderstorm knock as some insane stop

then suddenly were radio silent the next season

about this "utility"

[golden storm]

Right, but wizards don’t have that issue. If you put a mage in an all melee come they still do well. You put a rogue in a wizard comp? You’re cooked.

[waxen oyster]

yeah but point is rogue doesnt buff the other classes

and you're not like dk where you just dont die ever

[north spruce]

re weapon enchants; guides say haste enchants, but is agi also acceptable?

[waxen oyster]

mage has been blizzard's golden child since this game's inception anyway

[golden storm]

Not only do they not buff the others they “require” more. If I’m a mage, I want DH, that’s it. Druid is a bonus. If I’m a rogue I want shaman. Warrior etc.

[waxen oyster]

I quite literally have 0 sympathy for anyone who complains they want to always be meta and doesnt play mage

[golden storm]

I don’t want to be meta haha

[balmy condor]

just sim yourself if you don't wanna use haste or crit enchants

[waxen oyster]

skyfury is one egregiously gross buff

[north spruce]

ty boss

[waxen oyster]

i dont think this is a secret

especially for melee

[golden storm]

I want to be competive on logs based on skill not group buffs.

[waxen oyster]

well more for sub since the extra aa actually influences something

besides a slight number gain

and well no one cares about m+ logs

thats a meme

[golden storm]

You can be a competitive mage without DH. You can’t be a competitive rogue without Skyfury.

[waxen oyster]

you have every buff in raid

m+ logs are about as irrelevant as healer logs

[golden storm]

I’m talking about M+

[waxen oyster]

who tf is ranking m+ logs

also im pretty sure it mostly affects sub

[bright turret]

atleast it became A shaman rather than enhance shaman

[golden storm]

Not about logs, about if you’re contributing. You don’t care if everyone in the group is synergistic but you?

[waxen oyster]

what synergy

a mage gives nothing to a melee comp

[golden storm]

Exactly!

[waxen oyster]

I mean i dont think anyone disagrees that skyfury grossly benefits one spec in the game

way more than it should

[golden storm]

We don’t give shroud, we don’t give mind numbing, we can’t do ranger mechanics and we can’t swap targets if we play Deathstalker.

[golden storm]

100%

Rogue wants all the worst M+ specs to be competitive. Not good, competitive.

[waxen oyster]

its sub

technically

pretty sure assa and outlaw dont benefit particularly more than other melee

even ret has extra swings whitelisted from their spec mechanic

[golden storm]

Yeah, and if my guild group doesn’t have a shaman I’m fucked. Mage and warlock don’t have that issue.

[waxen oyster]

skyfury and sub has been an issue

for honestly forever

[fresh kelp]

fdk as well

[golden storm]

💯

[waxen oyster]

yeah its wack

if the extra white hits were bonus damage only thats fine

also druid buff kind of is a close 2nd

in terms of power

[golden loom]

Skyfury works on crusader strikes now doesnt it

Got changed with midnight

[waxen oyster]

idk couldnt pay me to play ret

with a serious face

[dim yacht]

according to the m+ season 1 class tier list on wowhead, we still have indiscriminate carnage, sure am glad we have such a great talent to buff us up a bit

[balmy condor]

what page is this?

[rugged basalt]

I think https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/tier-lists/dps-rankings-mythic-plus

[balmy condor]

oh nothing I write

thank god

I'll point it out to someone

[buoyant herald]

and IC wot mate

[haughty flicker]

and IC

oh its tettles

[dim yacht]

i hope they werent considering IC to make us B tier...

[balmy condor]

I mean, if they were

then we're definitely still in B or even higher

CT is just a direct upgrade to ic

[shell plaza]

good video, whispyr

🫡

[balmy condor]

[dim yacht]

was more thinking if we had IC aswell itd make the opener a bit smoother by using a bit less energy

would be 1 less CT needed each pull

[balmy condor]

I mean

IC only spread either garrote or rupture every gcd

[dim yacht]

not sure thatd be worth a talent point at that stage though

[balmy condor]

CT spreads both

except garrote + rupture is a combined 70 energy

and CT is 60

you just didn't notice because it was spread out over 2 gcds and we had infinity energy

[dim yacht]

right, but youd have to open with your first garrote and rupture anyway, no?

so at the start of every pull, youd save 60 energy

or was IC changed

[balmy condor]

you want ic for.... the first 2 gcds of a pull?

[dim yacht]

i stopped playing in TWW s1

if it was free maybe

for a talent point, doubt it

dunno, was just thinking if it was a free passive the opener would feel a bit less energy starved trying to get dots on everything by needing 1 less CT. not saying we should have it

[balmy condor]

idk, for just the first 3 seconds of a pull in a non-chain pull it feels really unnecessary imo

[dim yacht]

probably, yeah

biggest thing to miss about it is locking down a pack with silences

it was nice in grim batol in s1

[balmy condor]

why CT doesn't spread iron wire is baffling to me

[dim yacht]

thatd be so lit

do packs still instantly start casting again after a cc?

[balmy condor]

yeah, has to be a kick

[humble verge]

go to bed lil bro

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-run-running-run-away-gif-11523384820060869343

[balmy condor]

you ain't my mom

[strange onyx]

Thats true

Hope you are ready for fridays tuning notes

[main bobcat]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kitten-pringles

[shut sand]

Remember cata rogue when we had everythiiing

Dps, tank, cc, burst, heal, utility, mobility

Like we had 70 combat cds before everyone else had it

Then in mop that changed

This was ontop of having legendary daggers lol

[strange onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[shut sand]

Who remembers recoup, kidney shot, cheapshot, combat readiness, evasion, cloak, smoke bomb, kick, redirection, gouge, blind, preperation? 😂 all in one spec

[strange onyx]

I think this has been my favorite version of both outlaw and sub since WoD

[shut sand]

Oh forgot tricks of the trade too

Well you get it, we used to be overloaded

Now every rogue spec has much simpler rotations and cds to manage

[strange onyx]

And what is your conclusion?

Is it good, is it bad?

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/-gif-4377028

[shut sand]

Well idk, maybe they try to appeal to new players more? But the mmo genre has been on a burnout for a long time and there wasnt so much hype for this expansion

Maybe its to keep the developement of the game easier with easier class design philosophy? But for us players coming from more intricate combos and harder playstyle

It could fell less engaging to play and interact with your character in the game now, combat wise

It depends on who u ask some happy its easier now

[raven phoenix]

i miss smoke bomb

[shut sand]

I personally feel like this shit too easy

Some other grandpa might feel like finally he can keep up now with highlights, one button assist, and only 4 spells to press

But i think most ppl feel like shits easy

Even ppl who dont do much pve

Probs think its too easy

I wasnt here during war within so idk if rogue got simpler, harder, or stayed same

[primal smelt]

Burst of speed

Balanced

[warm vortex]

I just like chilling

Pressin my buttons and being like

[strange onyx]

The raids aren’t out yet, but if you say that mythic raids are «easy». You are either ragebaiting, delusional or a bit dumb

[shut sand]

Worth to shiv on the last 2 combo points when ur not using cds? i dont do it when proccing thistles and going ham with mutes. But when ur just doing standard rotation outside of cds, do u guys use shiv for last 2 cps for 10 energy? Or just use envenom at 5cp? Could save u energy in the long run

[balmy condor]

shiv ain't worth it

does negative damage

[shut sand]

Maybe its a gear issue theb, cuz I donr have enoufh haste and crit to keep my energy never depleting on standard rotation 🥲

[balmy condor]

that's how the spec is designed, yes

[shut sand]

Ah, guess i need to get to grinding then

[warm vortex]

Whispyr

Just wanted to say loved the new video <3

Gave me smth to listen to while walking to uni which was pog

[balmy condor]

ty

[warm vortex]

I need to comment for the algorithm one sec

[shut sand]

I was talking about the lack of buttons to press and the amt of ways u can combine them. The rotation rarely changes, it has nothing to do with how complex m+ is. Or how many ways the mobs/bosses can interact with you

[warm vortex]

Ok there we go

[shut sand]

Im saying, outside of boss room mechanics, like clicking a boss orb or standing in a buff zone, ur class is pretty simple

U got like 3-4 buttons

[warm vortex]

My favourite interaction with a boss is when queen ansurek would parry my kingsbane and tell me to fuck off

[shut sand]

And some cds

In wotlk, cata, and I think bfa

You had 10 buttons

To press

[jade abyss]

Ty for that anti dooming video

[shut sand]

Rip dmg

[warm vortex]

But yea I anticipate raid will be a lot more engaging