assassination

[balmy condor]

you would just clip the last second of envenom instead

and still get there

[elfin flame]

ya i get u, didn't realize env uptime was that high atm

[balmy condor]

no twist the knife

like in perspective here right, tww s3 assa in raids is about the same speed as bis s1 midnight

a touch faster, not much

but in tww s3, envenom had an uptime of ~165%

and now with no changes to envenom's buff and the same energy and cp income, it's capped at 100%

if they added ttk back, we'd be like 155ish%

[elfin flame]

that is so fried

[balmy condor]

welcome to assa

but the spec is so slow whispyr why won't blizzard add energy

kms

[sharp viper]

[runic hinge]

i should probably know this but is it better to slam all your energy and go through your teas off the rip, or should i be looking to use the apex as soon as possible without over capping

[winged quail]

Assa is a perfect spec and that's why it didn't get any changes 🥰

[balmy condor]

new cursed rant, but it is technically more energy to drop implacable at 1 stack compared to 5

[supple spindle]

please don't

[balmy condor]

because the first stack is 20%, and the rest are 15%

however

you physically cannot do that, because you are drowning in envenom uptime so hard that you're literally stuck envenoming to avoid overcapping

I tried forcing the sims to drop envenom on 3 stacks

and it overcapped like 25% of its energy in the process

cause it had to sit there and wait for envenom to drop

so like, is it better to drop implacable early, yes

is it an actual tangible gain on energy? not really it's like +50 energy in 5 min

can you even practically pull it off, not really

just slam

[sharp viper]

Tldr assa guide

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna try and lobotomize the sims a little more and maybe we can drop the 1cp envenom thingy poisoners drive or whatever

that's the first domino to fall

[runic hinge]

I mean, is it better to just sit on 5 stacks until i cant from the start of the fight? I guess what youre saying means yes

[balmy condor]

tried getting rid of blindside, blindside too good

[sharp viper]

Blindside is bae, don’t you dare

[runic hinge]

like if we lust and i have 3 teas im not gonna run dry for a while right? so better to just keep slamming

[balmy condor]

I guess the easiest way to explain it is that you slam as hard as you can, but if you can proc apex without overcapping, you do

yes, lust and 3 teas on pull is doomed

[runic hinge]

okay that makes sense

[balmy condor]

you're basically stuck burning energy for the first ~50 seconds

[runic hinge]

alright

[sharp viper]

I talent into tea and immediately banish its existence from my memory

[balmy condor]

pretty much

[runic hinge]

I will play assa for heroic week unlike all these meta chasing sub andies

[balmy condor]

I mean, I probably will too

but I'm gonna bitch about it the entire time

[runic hinge]

And we will be tuned!

based on me

and my data

[mellow bough]

wait i just woke up did they really buff sub and assa just got nothing what is this shit

[runic hinge]

blizz things

[balmy condor]

nerfed sub

[winged quail]

its a sub nerf mostly

[runic hinge]

nerf to everything except pure ST

[mellow bough]

ah thanks

yike sman

[runic hinge]

and tbh if sub has to play deathstalker now thats a nerf to fun too

[mellow bough]

what are they cooking

xD

[sharp viper]

It’s okay in single target

[runic hinge]

deathstalker is not a fun hero talent

[runic hinge]

mainly for me because I hate combo point waste

[sharp viper]

Why would ds waste cp

[runic hinge]

force to 7

[balmy condor]

ds goes to 7 on dn

[runic hinge]

oh well sub idk

[balmy condor]

I would assume they do too

[elfin flame]

hold up i just thought of smth - wouldn't it still be better to pool for kb so you can spam more aggressively with builders/finishers during it

since builders have a chance to apply poisons

or at that point are we at the level of like - trying to send more globals during a passive trinket proc

[balmy condor]

yes, but not to make a large enough difference

if you're autoing 8.5-9 times a second and your kingsbane immediately starts off at 10/50

you pressing mut one more time

is not moving mountains

[elfin flame]

u auto 8-9 times a second

wtf

[marble hemlock]

youre saying bring back KB cap at 100?

[runic hinge]

[elfin flame]

that makes sense

[marble hemlock]

make it 200. or 300.

[runic hinge]

make it 999

[marble hemlock]

or 67

[balmy condor]

we love double dipping haste

[hard grail]

wake up, think "wow, did it happen" - goes to wowhead, sees the tuning page. scrolls down, see sub first. See sub got few buffs/few nerfs, think, wow, assasination prob got buffs then if sub did. Scroll down, see zero, and then see this shit.

[bitter solar]

[balmy condor]

so like imagine 20% haste, and then 30% bloodlust

and then double it

and then you have 2 daggers

so double it again

[elfin flame]

lmao i didnt realize autos went that crazy

[jolly stirrup]

Dagger goes brrrrt

[hard grail]

Spriest buff can be almost be 30% ST if a few questions are answered - IE - does "%20 on mind flay" include mind flay insanity, etc.

30% ST buff is pretty wild

[runic hinge]

theyre assuming it isnt currently

which makes it much more modest

[hard grail]

I think they said if it doesnt effect, its still a %21 ST buff for archon though

could be %30 if it does

[marble hemlock]

sounds like the GGG approach

"and then we doubled it"

[runic hinge]

archon stinky

[hard grail]

I like halo haha

[runic hinge]

i feel like voidweaver just feels better to play but idk i havent touched archon since before prepatch

[sharp viper]

Voidweaver is the only hero talent spriest has

[balmy condor]

trying to min-max this spec is literally hell

[hard grail]

I played both and like archon better now, the insanity's during VF constantly feel nuts during cds. I also like pressing halo and being done every 1 min. voidweaver has to channel VT every 30 secs a

and damage is pretty much the same for both

except the buffs were bigger for archon

[balmy condor]

even when you have an idea you think is good, translating that into a rule the robot can parse is already a problem because all the min-maxes are some ethereal form of "well if I have this amount of energy then maybe I can proc the apex quickly before other things"

and then you spend an afternoon tuning it right

and it's 0.15%

and you go hmmmmmm

so you sim it again

and it's -0.08

and you go hmmmmm

and then you give up

[runic hinge]

short cd windows feel better in the pisslow content i do so maybe im biased

[hard grail]

for sure, I think when you get into big keys, the 1 min halo CD is better because most big m+ pulls are prob about 1 min anyways, or 50 secs etc.

but right now 30 sec VT is prob better you right

[shell plaza]

hi, guys, im employed - is assa dead now and we play sub or ?

[runic hinge]

if you're emplyed you dont have to worry about tuning notes

[quasi osprey]

thats right, zendaya from spiderman

[shell plaza]

[mellow bough]

i guess just play assa for the love of the game

[hard grail]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html When does sin get put on here?

cuz those are live with the tuesday buffs right?

[balmy condor]

when I say so

[balmy condor]

on tuesday when the tuning goes live, that page will re-sim with the tuning

comparing specs like that on a big raid graph is pretty braindead

but such is life

community want easy number vomit

[hard grail]

Oh, someone in sub said those numbers are with tuning

[cunning needle]

bis list when?

[balmy condor]

no lmao

the rule for simulationcraft is the tuning goes into sims when the tuning goes into game

whoever said that is clueless

[sharp viper]

Pawn string when?

[cunning needle]

trueeee

whens the pawn strings being posted on wowhead

[red schooner]

Wake up to see a new video for the pookies

todays gonna be a good day

[runic hinge]

It's a good video I'll say that

[warped moon]

always

idc about number, this is just more fun

[red schooner]

What was in the sandwich though?

[jolly stirrup]

Whats a Pawn String?

[hard grail]

yeah look like a turkey sand on a ciabatta?

[red schooner]

Yeah I'm with you on the ciabatta

[odd creek]

Dafuq? No buffs on sin?

[high dust]

Nothing at all

[brittle coral]

legit nothing for sin lol

[royal lantern]

why dont you say "its added now" then??

[high dust]

I think dev's forgot we exist cause sub is there.

Again.

[bold wigeon]

hi

how many % of critical strike is good for start season?

[normal mist]

100% (sim yourself)

[ocean garden]

@balmy condor really enjoyed your last update video, that was well done and i hope you enjoyed your meal

[bold wigeon]

so the more the better?

[normal mist]

No

Sim yourself

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[vital depot]

still dont know what was in that sandwich

[radiant aspen]

nice vid whispyr amazing in depth look as always

🙏

[sharp viper]

Ancient addon pawn had stat weights for all stats so you could have a very static ingame item comparison

[jolly stirrup]

[brave gyro]

Thank you kindly @ Whispyr for the breakdown video of the rogue changes. It was exactly what I needed

[subtle tundra]

hey

are the sims updated

did our talents change

[plush isle]

Only Option is to close down the Discord like the Rets did

[hard grail]

@subtle tundra

Is that a real question or rage bait

[warm vortex]

It’s varas

He is the master baiter

[hard grail]

got me

[subtle tundra]

my reputation is dwindling

[cunning needle]

[chrome meadow]

hello guys me work blizzard me know u mad but me promise im cooking tuning next patch heads up

nah srsly i was expecting some hidden assa changes in the whispyr vid man and like after 30 secs i was like oh, im dumb

[visual sun]

if you listen carefully, he goes over the tuning coming in next week

[chrome meadow]

[royal lantern]

i dont need a video to learn about the "im dumb" part

[chrome meadow]

[old thistle]

the only video you need is that of a loaf

[frosty cedar]

wow guys what an interesting accidental patch notes they released last night but now that were are well into the next day let me just pop on wowhead to check what they added

[worldly sail]

is this real ???

[runic hinge]

must be

Sade is the goat

[primal parrot]

what in the goddamn are those patch notes

[strange onyx]

Tuning

Blizzard said on twitter that «They are aware of some of the frustrations with community and will address it when they are back to work on Monday»

[primal parrot]

[runic hinge]

real or are you loa again

[warm vortex]

Hnsure if I want it to be real or not

[static glacier]

huge tuning kekw

[rustic spoke]

What the fuck is going on with assassination design and balance? It's a goddamn shitshow.

[hard grail]

@strange onyx real or misinformationmaxxing

[jaunty notch]

farewell assa I guess

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1351904290494480396/1482365881098174514/switching_side.gif

[frosty cedar]

traitor

[strange onyx]

How much cleaving have you guys done lately?

[jolly stirrup]

At least 3

[rugged basalt]

I didn’t sandbag enough sorry guys

[jolly stirrup]

[karmic spear]

Hey fellow rogues! I don't want to be too much of a doomer but I have been struggling to see what my rogue brings compared to say a monk. Am I missing something or are rogues kinda cooked?
I was trying to compare rogue and monk and noticed that for basically everything rogue has, monk has something like it and then they have a bunch of other things too like RoP and Dispel. Please tell me I am missing what my rogue brings because I want my rogue to feel great to bring to a group 🙁

It used to feel like we brought utility but not I am like, no aoe stun, no clutch heals, no stops, no dispels (except yourself I guess)

[strange onyx]

What content?

[karmic spear]

ah sorry, I mean m+ mostly I suppose

[hardy rapids]

Atrophic poison

[frosty cedar]

your job is to make the other classes feel good about their damage

[karmic spear]

I mean I suppose that is stronger than mystic touch but how much depends on the group

[hardy rapids]

Only if you’re assassination

[last mortar]

How bad is sin compared to sub now?

[hardy rapids]

Pretty bad still

[last mortar]

I guess it's time to play sub for the 20th time...

[onyx crane]

I refuse sub

[karmic spear]

Is sub really just like uh generator-finisher again and again now? D:

[onyx crane]

Assa does dmg when the cd's line up, the packs live longer and we have energy

[lyric bough]

can anyone tell me why garrote out of stealth doesnt aply its duration of 30 seconds? that just happens when i put it on a second time. i dont understand

[strange onyx]

Pandemic mechanic

[last mortar]

Thistle tea gone after the first pack kek

[plucky ember]

sorry for asking, but why is only SUB getting a boost in the next patch and not ass?

[lyric bough]

ahhh thx 🙂

[last mortar]

Ass is ass, been good for 1 tier out of 20

[dapper oracle]

this goes way back

[sharp trellis]

Does anyone know how does it work when you apply a regular garrote over an stealth garrote ? does it make like 1+1 ?

[strange onyx]

Good in Undermine, Good in Manaforge?

[last mortar]

Not bad in manaforge*

[strange onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/tea-shade-goth-halloween-you-just-wait-gif-15826642

[plucky ember]

https://tenor.com/view/the-burnt-peanut-mhm-mhm-mhm-gif-4266639228818891588

[strange onyx]

Nah, it was poppin’

[plucky ember]

what is a decent dps number for ass atm

[analog field]

top DPS for last 2 bosses XD

What is everyone smoking

[frosty cedar]

wrap it up guys, I have figured out the truth via divine revelation

the last boss in the raid must start at 35% hp, so blizzard fear assassination and arms

[strange onyx]

Keep your head up, my acolyte

[mellow bough]

Just play and cherish the moments when someone invs you to a pug key and writes „assa?.. thats gonna be a wild ride“ sweet

[storm forum]

Thanks for the hit

[rugged basalt]

Nooo your dmg is just right it’s the big damage dealers that scare me

[haughty pewter]

The time is added, but the damage output for the remaining seconds is altered to non-stealth garrote. The guided recommends letting the garrote fall off before applying the non-stealth garrote, although clipping at 1-2s should result in a negligible dps loss.

[tranquil birch]

See yall just aren't thinking about how easy it is to rack up those pink parses when literally no one who cares plays sin

[abstract jacinth]

We should generally be using adventurer crests right?

[jolly stirrup]

Spend away

Next week is gonna be daily lockout m0 with champ gear

[abstract jacinth]

oh damn alright

[sharp trellis]

Clear thank you

[past holly]

That might have been Whispyr's best video ever ngl

[tight ginkgo]

whisypr mukbang asmr

[narrow birch]

hey guys how is assassin lookin

[molten harbor]

I was told a few days ago sin rogue was in a good place. So no patch notes must be good.

[narrow birch]

do we know what they are simming now with buffs?

[jolly stirrup]

We not using a cloak enchant?

[lavish bane]

how much dps does sin gains from tierset?

[rustic spoke]

we got nerfed in pvp somehow and they didn't do jack shit to address the energy issues or how awful tea as a capstone is.

whoever designed assassination is a fucking moron.

[sharp viper]

bold of you to assume there's a) an actual person doing anything and b) there being 'design'

[cedar elm]

is assa sleeper op with endgame gear tho

[arctic hare]

Which delve are we able to just stealth through again?

[rugged basalt]

Atalaman, ritual interrupted i think

You’d need to sap since box brings you out of stealth

[arctic hare]

ty

[spare kayak]

Do we know if the robot has the new tuning?

[jolly stirrup]

Yes all assa changes have been added

[spare kayak]

Great!

Kek to the w

[jolly stirrup]

I mean

[slim hamlet]

So I just woke up and there actually really were no assa changes?

[visual sun]

ur still dreaming, sleep for another week

[spiral cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-i1HXBhRss Nah Whispyr explained a lot about assa here guys

[old thistle]

whispyr is the uncle roger of rogues

hiyyyaa

[solar wyvern]

Ima just say

ASsa is undersimming

thats all

[slate birch]

assa is sleeper

[old thistle]

the cycle of things is always like this

[tight ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/plug-walk-once-in-a-lifetime-gif-18116264

[lethal turtle]

Assa undersimming

Believable bc ww was undersimming by a lot and getting fixed

[solar wyvern]

I wish i was joking but im doing 10-15% more damage to the dummies than my sim indicates

so yknow

AWAREGE

Also cant hit execute on the raid dummy so im actually probbaly more than that

[lethal turtle]

You think sin is better st than sub

[solar wyvern]

no idea, ive found some interesting stuff with DS sub on dummies as well XD

[lethal turtle]

I cba. I just swapped all my gear to sub

And it’s probably my alt

[slate birch]

i was slamming the dummy for 6 minutes and did rougly 5% above sim

so idk

assa sims were not working for prepatch i assume something is weird rn

[mint urchin]

It wasn't that they didn't work, it's just Whispyr didn't make them for prepatch

[dry cradle]

Is Fan of Knives at 2+ always a dps+ over mutilate? The numbers say yes, but like when i use FoK at like 2-3 target combo point generation for envenom often is slower than mutilate. Maybe I also do sth wrong here. But if we get envenom more often on lower target numbers, couldnt that be better or still is the AoE from FoK just better regardless?

[solar wyvern]

ye ive been on them for 2 hrs and im consistently 3-4k ahead of my sim

strangely only 2k ahead on DS so maybe it has a bit to do with fatebound?

[slate birch]

ah roger i just heard they didnt work

[slate birch]

that said

i wouldnt trust the in game damage meter

[solar wyvern]

Yeah i log

[slate birch]

because i swear after every single m0 i ask my party to check overalls and we all have different answers

[slate birch]

ok yea log is good

[solar wyvern]

I aint trusting blizzard meter LOL

[slate birch]

yea fuck that

its INSANE they cant make it work

[mint urchin]

The dmg meter is just jank, like it doesn't auto reset it adds random events etc...

I also don't trust the combat time for it

[solar wyvern]

The biggest thing i;ve noticed is in all my logs and sim differences, im hitting 10+ more envenoms than the robot

and 5+ on ds XD

(fuck DS)

[mint urchin]

All the homies hate DS

[thorn thorn]

They added auto reset

[mint urchin]

When did that come in?

Do you have to enable it or something?

[thorn thorn]

Its in the game settings instead of the meters settings

So you are forgiven for missing yet

[thorn thorn]

Yes

For some reason its not default

[mint urchin]

That's so dumb

[thorn thorn]

But it does exist

[slate birch]

they added an auto reset

resets when u enter a new instance

[tight ginkgo]

Sin execute dam seems kinda sick with it

[analog field]

Did they add somehow to see the overall of a dungeon? I couldn't really find it. Maybe I am just blind

[slate birch]

you click on the letter C if u have it set to current

[thorn thorn]

Set to overall

[slate birch]

and change it to overall

[analog field]

yes but overall shows my whole session no?

Like if I have done 3 dungeons

[barren yarrow]

wtf, i just saw the vid... is blizzard trying to trash us lol

[analog field]

it shows all 3

[slate birch]

no

because it resets when u enter a new instance

when u enable auto reset option

so it shows current dungeon overall

[analog field]

Hmm I ll check it again, but last time it was showing also more than 5 players etc

[thorn thorn]

Its in game enhancements

It doesnt default to auto reset

[slate birch]

i noticed that my current windows always reset when i enter an instance but the windows set to overall doesnt

so i always reset it manually

[thorn thorn]

My overall resets just fine

Spaghetti probably

[slate birch]

it doesnt always happen

it happened like 4 times in the 8 m0 runs

very spaghetti

[thorn thorn]

Ya mine hasnt ever had issues resetting

Lucky me

[slate birch]

its like

all of this could have been avoided if they just removed weakauras

but thats besides the pooint, classic blizzard

[tight ginkgo]

I've legit had few if any ui issues since the changes

[slate birch]

that meter issue is the only one ive had

the rest has been fine and im playing default ui

bit cringe with some things

but it works

[jovial idol]

Close rogue discord?

[junior yoke]

That whyspir video made my day 😂😂😂😂

Nice assassination tunning

[shy heron]

Fellow sandwich enjoyer

[dapper halo]

i feel demotivated to play at all since we got entirely neglected

[normal mist]

Cancel sub

Play other games

No one is gonna go after you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1314276518192742430/1482099296286408715/funybird.gif

[dapper halo]

but muh stockholm syndrome

[normal mist]

You gotta work on that

Eventually you'll be somewhat free

[thorn thorn]

Wrong its me

I specifically will go after you in particular if you cancel sub

[latent kernel]

what are the odds they tune sin later this week/early next week

[mellow bough]

15%

[lucid elbow]

Give it to me straight doctor…I’m in a mythic guild…should I just start planning to go play Outlaw?

[worn nimbus]

Nope play sub for any chance of being brought to raid

[humble verge]

[bright turret]

Outlaw by its design prevents it from ever being BIS for Mythic raiding

[latent kernel]

depends on how serious your guild is, my guild gets CE pretty much every tier, but we let everyone play what they want and it usually works out

[bright turret]

Looks grim if you like M+ though

[latent kernel]

by end of season you're so overtuned anyways that class choice becomes significantly less important

outside of dks etc

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/guy-wall-talking-to-the-7P8lA58Cg8cOzWi8db

guys listen end game gear will change things

[latent kernel]

bro missed the entire point

[lucid elbow]

Hmm yeah I guess Sub is the safer pick

[radiant aspen]

what point i havnt read anything just got on to say this

😄

[bright turret]

Assassination always gets buffed pretty high...eventually

[lucid elbow]

I’m our only Rogue so I’m just kinda standing here with my little bag of daggers and swords and wide eyes going “pwease bring meee”

[storm forum]

I just finished leveling my priest, then I saw disc is still in the gutter. What should I level next?

Druid? DH? Sham?

Warrior?

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-copium-od-copium-overdose-overdose-twitch-gif-9006779378751968406

[trim night]

Why is the Avulsion talent not being picked mostly? looking at both aoe and st builds?

[red schooner]

Thats me right now, just chilling and watching from afar.

[solar wyvern]

Regicide better in ST, shrouded better in aoe basically

Avulsion is like 1% behind iirc

Allegedly, idk if i can trust sims anymore susge

[trim night]

i see

[normal mist]

My sub has been canceled for a few months now 🙁

[normal mist]

My goat, same

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/confused-paper-jimmy-butler-vGcTIfjvfX0wBnO0hw

new assa changes

[indigo mulch]

I'm actually curious why assa didn't at least get a bit of a bump on ST. Maybe we're fine with gear 😄

[earnest remnant]

cuz its already broken

no need for buffs

the real questionmark is sub getting nerfed

[haughty flicker]

we all know why sub got nerfed

ion did his m0s with a sub rogue in the group and got mad they stole all the pad

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/he-made-a-statement-so-cold-Q3lYLqsi6wIkcbmVRL

[sinful verge]

do we have any up to date assa sims for ST?

[tight ginkgo]

checks out with the enhancement buffs

[subtle tundra]

no the changes arent on raidbots yet

[runic hinge]

broken???

[humble verge]

new !command?

[crisp sluice]

I know people probably said this 1 million times now but

Were all playing sub now no

0 changes to sin, GGs

[haughty flicker]

its going to be an assa tier

[bright turret]

every season is sub for prog, sin several weeks later

[humble verge]

fake news

you could play assa on prog in Manaforge

[bright turret]

was still weaker than sub at it

[crisp sluice]

sin was fine in MFO though

[humble verge]

tjaaa

idk

[crisp sluice]

I feel like rn were so cooked no?

[bright turret]

sin definately going to get more buffs tho

[humble verge]

yea

i mean i simmed my-now gear on my best geared rogue

simmed 3k less on assa

[crisp sluice]

RIP

Im 243, simming 43k on sin

lol

[bright turret]

sin funnel might be secret sauce since there are so many adds

[plucky mica]

There is another tuning pass in a week or so right?

[bright turret]

who knows what dev is thinking

[humble verge]

how are you higher ilvl but i was still simming higher

[crisp sluice]

probably shite stats 😢

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-run-running-run-away-gif-11523384820060869343

[crisp sluice]

sub sim:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mDEb9YQR4JZjZ3yu182xHN

[humble verge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pXuCz2jsw6MBCC8PRyVanZ

[crisp sluice]

yea ok so makes sense. Bro how the HELL does sin get literally full on ignored for tuning i died at whispyrs video

like WTF are the devs doing

[humble verge]

ah nvm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6yEsJzUfkrgXr1sWiqFenH its like 2,5k under

but still meh

[crisp sluice]

ok nvm I swapped a few pieces and:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5HFKmw1ZmDDA2T8wsj2ieh

2k difference tho

[humble verge]

oomf

[restive falcon]

https://media.giphy.com/media/ShPwcYO0pk99MJCkMZ/giphy.gif

next tuning

[frosty cedar]

it would take 30% to bring us up to the top spec on patchwork (not that they would do that in any event), I think they will increase rupture damage by 10% and call it a day if they don't ignore us entirely again, clearly we are op

[storm forum]

im on the "this tier is gonna have insane execute damage amps" cope train

[jolly stirrup]

Current 240 gear with low level enchants and gems. But I am honestly excited for Raid, also to get some more Champ Gear Wed and Thur before raid at night

[thorn thorn]

Goated gif ty

[halcyon saddle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nBLXbydrQX2VZGw7BY9bFF

[humble verge]

gamer

[halcyon saddle]

Sub is barely stronger

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4iFf5VNSsAuDX44tPBm4ag

[humble verge]

just waiting for wednesday

[halcyon saddle]

Lol indeed https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPsPNNJXBEmF1TLJgSRbUU

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

Who let a ret player in here

[halcyon saddle]

Haha dont do me like that

[humble verge]

says you who invaded the pala discord

[thorn thorn]

I didnt invade anything

[humble verge]

i invaded

your

[earnest remnant]

sub also gains more from tier than assa does

baseline is pretty close between the two

[thorn thorn]

sub tier

[halcyon saddle]

Yeah I'm trying to pick a main before splits and im vexed.

[thorn thorn]

This is certainly a time to pickup rogue as a main

[humble verge]

picking a main before splits

shouldve done that 3 weeks ago

[thorn thorn]

Man uber shut up dont act like you dont got 7 rogues to level

[halcyon saddle]

Haha

[humble verge]

false they are leveld

just missing 2 m0 tours on the lowgeared

[thorn thorn]

I only see 4

[humble verge]

yeah only 4 splits bro

[fallow canopy]

Only 4

[real pike]

yo anyone else's CDM and ui keep switching back to the starter ones for no reason

[thorn thorn]

We know uber has more than 4

[humble verge]

fake news

ive got 24

[real pike]

even better they have deleted

[latent kernel]

Is there a list of class sims like fuu but with all classes

[balmy condor]

God I hope not

[spice surge]

You already know there is

The infamous sheet of 100% truth

[tight ginkgo]

Yeah Urea's sheet

that's the one for sure

[balmy condor]

As if the sim stack wasn’t already enough community brainrot

[latent kernel]

Somebody share the link I’m tryna see something

👀

[rugged basalt]

Does anyone elses combo point tracker just...stop working sometimes? The default one. Sensei's stuff works despite the default one seizing to work

[latent kernel]

When I’m energy starved in my opener for 3 globals mine tends to stop updating weird stuff

[storm forum]

yeah mine sometimes just dies, it sucks

[rugged basalt]

I can't consistently replicate it but it's usually after I wipe

Does it affect the personal resource display as well? Or just the default frame

[storm forum]

usually it's after I die yeah, or after I get in a vehicle for a quest, but sometimes I have no idea what happened.

[latent kernel]

I found it we are B tier right now, need buff

[rugged basalt]

My eyes always drift to the default circles a lot more, I need to build better habits

[tight ginkgo]

https://zombo.com/ this one?

[balmy condor]

That’s gotta be a slur

[latent kernel]

No it’s excel wow sheet with tier list attached

[rugged basalt]

it's close to one

[balmy condor]

“Zombo”

[latent kernel]

Jarvis, open the website

[rugged basalt]

the tier list would probably be just as offensive

[tight ginkgo]

Zombo Com is where all of your dreams can come true

There are no limits at Zombo Com

[soft marsh]

Literally just joined, already found out about Zombo.com

worth

[thorn thorn]

Tier lists are one of mankinds worst inventions

[humble verge]

surely this is truth

[worn nimbus]

where is assass LMAO

[rugged basalt]

can you scroll down

way down

[worn nimbus]

LOL

[humble verge]

nah this is an image i got from my guilds discord

[forest nacelle]

assass sims arn't shown there

xD

[thorn thorn]

uber

wtf

[forest nacelle]

https://www.simulationcraft.org/reports/MID1_Raid.html

its where that image is from

[storm forum]

some day the TCs will unbug the APL so we can get on the list

-# (but I think whispyr might be sandbagging NElf DS for a reason)

[lethal turtle]

Version 8 is out for uleria

Shadow is like 110k and pretty high st

Feral king

[storm forum]

Uleria is the guy that does the PI and tier set sims sheet right?

[lethal turtle]

Ye

[balmy condor]

I refuse to add it

[worn nimbus]

no way its that bad

[balmy condor]

it's not

I just am not going to contribute to the collective brainrot the community has of staring at that website

people can be idiots without my help

[worn nimbus]

fair, i just play assass or outlaw and who cares

[sonic zinc]

what if u not adding it made it so that sin got 0 changes ever think about that huh? checkmate

[worn nimbus]

but my guild is chill some arent

[sonic zinc]

!

[balmy condor]

yeah surely

[sonic zinc]

yep

100% the reason

frfr

[storm forum]

please whispyr i need my brainrotted

[proper cosmos]

there it is sir

[storm forum]

LMAO RET

thats some acting out the vanilla copypasta sandbagging

[haughty flicker]

that just means ulria hasnt found sims to steal

[balmy condor]

yeah

if I post literally any sim

[wanton basalt]

I feel like some should vibe code a fantasy m+/wfr league. Where people can use a combination of simcraft and Warcraft logs to compete against each other.

[balmy condor]

it's getting scraped for that dogass sheet

[sonic zinc]

post a fake sim

sandbag!~

[storm forum]

yeah but pretending they're simming a ret with a hand in their pants for most of the fight is funnier

oh did they just steal the !fuu sheet sim and post it behind a paywall?

[gray dagger]

Can u link this sheet ?

[balmy condor]

likely

idk if it's paywall though

usually he does it for free and then just has people donate

for fucking scraping half baked sims together

fucking insane

[quaint axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[frosty cedar]

its paywalled

[balmy condor]

that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard

[sonic zinc]

why is there no party version of the fuu sheet

wtf

[frosty cedar]

need to be on the patreon I think

[balmy condor]

sub to patreon to see me copy paste links from every class discord

what a business model

I fucking hate the wow community sometimes man

[thorn thorn]

Only sometimes

[balmy condor]

some of the most turbo degenerate idiots on earth play this game

[gray dagger]

Outlaw now over performing other specs ?

[thorn thorn]

It took me all of 5 months to realize 99% of the people in the community are dumb as fuck

[sonic zinc]

5 months?

[haughty flicker]

[proper cosmos]

i can try to find it, just instant print screened it from Asuna_qt stream that doesn't want to leak it

[frosty cedar]

I saw this freaky image in the warrior discord today. not sure if taken from ulrias or some other similar degenerate sim stack

[thorn thorn]

Brand newbie

Im a DF baby

[sonic zinc]

ah

i mean

should take like a day of playing with other people to realize everyone is idiots

[haughty flicker]

hes part of the 99%

as am i

[gray dagger]

Thank u

[haughty flicker]

since i cant type 99

[thorn thorn]

I determined it after a healthy dose of reddit, forums, and class discord takes

[sonic zinc]

oh reddit

[storm forum]

OL always oversims and then underperforms cause they can't take advantage of damage amps and they get fucked by down time.

[sonic zinc]

so shouldve been instant

[lost fable]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GKshVVe_RAXO0I7kFnmg4Nu7kkqbJRV4GItbUHCvLfc/htmlview?gid=1774556142&pru=AAABnRH_jW0*zSEsZoDVGFYSZZxTwcWmxw#gid=1774556142

here link

[spiral ledge]

wow reddit

[frosty cedar]

[gray dagger]

Freaky

Love to see war nowhere

[storm forum]

Love that "please do not share publicly" warning

[thorn thorn]

reddit was instant

class discords took 5 months

[lost fable]

it got linked publicly like 5 mins ago in sub channel 🤷

[balmy condor]

grok, how do I incinerate someone elses spreadsheet

I want it wiped from the internet

[thorn thorn]

God that fucking spreadsheet

Is going to kill me

[sonic zinc]

sims are so funny

[buoyant herald]

Did they delete assassination I don’t understand

I can’t see it on my holy scripture

[weary stump]

get edit access and then add enough function fuckery that it corrupts the sheet file

[spice surge]

grok put the spreedsheet in a bikini

[balmy condor]

I would have to interact with ulria for that

why would I want to do that

[sonic zinc]

for the greater good

[vapid sierra]

when do we fok isntead of evi

[weary stump]

yeah its not worth it, but it is possible

[balmy condor]

he does literally nothing but make class discords a shittier place with his pointless fucking spreadsheet

[vapid sierra]

also where can i find the min maxy rotation

[balmy condor]

we don't have eviscerate, that's sub, and fok is a generator

[vapid sierra]

i mean mutialte

[frosty cedar]

he probably means mut

[balmy condor]

fok on 2

[vapid sierra]

regardless of taletns?

[frosty cedar]

dont we mut on 2 with blindside and the other mut talents?

[balmy condor]

3 with blindside

[spice surge]

Whispyr cant stop me from pressing my nuclear unshakeable mutilate in aoe

[proper cosmos]

#assassination message

[thorn thorn]

Wow players love completely useless data that could be useless in a week

[balmy condor]

WAITER

[sonic zinc]

i dont blame them, people are looking for justification on what spec to play because they derive fun from numbers

[balmy condor]

MORE SIMSLOP PLEASE!

I NEED MORE OUT OF CONTEXT NUMBERS TO SEND TO MY GUILD!

[gilded oasis]

now hes gettin it

[sonic zinc]

whispyr gets it

[balmy condor]

I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN BUT I NEED THEM!

[gilded oasis]

[gray dagger]

Thank u broski

[thorn thorn]

Until heroic week ends and they do another round of tuning and have to fotm reroll again

[sonic zinc]

yep

[runic hinge]

I’m trying very hard to not muscle memory a muti every ten second in aoe

[normal mist]

Just letting you know both me, Andy and my daughter watched your whole video... Midway thru I told her "just you wait until he gets to outlaw" and you didn't disappoint

[main olive]

boys

monk tank deal more dmg than assa

[frosty cedar]

im telling you

[balmy condor]

according to what

[thorn thorn]

We need a zac containment zone

[frosty cedar]

the last boss starts at 35% hp execute

[frosty cedar]

thats why they dont tune us

[balmy condor]

I'm going to fucking lose it

[thorn thorn]

Not the sheet

[frosty cedar]

I think this guys timing is impeccable

ngl

[frosty cedar]

might be a goated ragebait

[waxen oyster]

jokes on you i cant read

[sonic zinc]

wait there was a new video?

fuck

[normal mist]

A good one

[sonic zinc]

imma go watch that

holy banger title

[storm forum]

does enjoying whispyr being mad make me a bad person?

[balmy condor]

@raw gale what patreon tier do I have to subscribe to in order for you to remove assassination from your dogshit simslop sheet

[thorn thorn]

Yes and no

[balmy condor]

give me a number please

[main olive]

I mean blizzard did nothing for assa this tunning waves

nothing more to day

they don't care lmao

[radiant aspen]

https://giphy.com/gifs/spy-mtakhirov-phone-47lXcPnboH14PNUW6u

[thorn thorn]

ayo that gif pretty fire

[raw gale]

sheesh someone's mad sorry fam

[radiant aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1476199316560281713/1476232576866975946/200.gif

[balmy condor]

I am mad

you're making the community actively worse

and fostering this stupid brainrot

[lost fable]

i am sorry for what i have done

[radiant aspen]

okay sorry no more gifs ill stop

[raw gale]

Sorry is this crashout number 13th for this preseason or, I lost track

[balmy condor]

fuck you

[storm forum]

whispyr if you ban him from the server he cant get sim slop from us

[balmy condor]

I'm happy about the state of the game

but you and your sheet attract so many people

that cannot comprehend that comparing classes across sims

is pointless

it's literally a self-imposed issue that you create every tier for no reason

[main olive]

This was a point since sims exists or ?

[balmy condor]

this has been true literally forever

[echo falcon]

Why don't my apples taste like these Bananas!?

[main olive]

And tbh it affect only 10 guilds in the world

[balmy condor]

you think they're using sims for that?

[main olive]

They are doing the most effecient comp per boss

[balmy condor]

those guilds don't use sims to compare for taht

[main olive]

so w/e

[shrewd night]

Most pointless crashout in history, but pop off king

[main olive]

they know when a spec stink or not

[runic hinge]

Feral number one

[frosty briar]

Everyone knows 1t5min sims are the only metric that matters to compare anything

[main olive]

u will not see a stack of feral imo

make no sense

but 3 warlock will be likely if no changes

[balmy condor]

you don't have to deal with people showing up posting his sheet 24/7 what does it matter to you

[main olive]

usual RWF shit

[balmy condor]

sorry that I have a fucking spine

[thorn thorn]

Big warlock must be stopped

[shrewd night]

Dumb people will never critically assess sources, why are you shitting on people making tools for people with critical source assessment

[main olive]

one thing is how can we have a that kind of gap betwenn classes for a 25 years old game with the current tools

[shrewd night]

"i HaVe A sPiNe"

[faint mural]

U mean big mage?

[balmy condor]

because it's not useful for critical source assessment

[thorn thorn]

Big mage and big warlock

[balmy condor]

comparing sims across classes

has never been useful for critical source assessment

[shrewd night]

Its just not a good look to randomly flame people, but again. Pop off king, ride that wave.

[balmy condor]

"randomly"

you think this is random?

have you not paid attention to this for the last 5 years

getting worse

[shrewd night]

[balmy condor]

you play the game just like I do, I'm sure you've seen it

[shrewd night]

Tagging someone to flame them who hasnt been actively in the discord for months is the meaning of random.

[balmy condor]

ulria can't do anything about idiots being idiots, but he can do something about making bad information that they use

[lost fable]

bro that guy made the sheet

[shrewd night]

So?

[uneven plume]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[soft marsh]

Guy makes senseless list -> get called out for senseless list -> "this so random"

[shrewd night]

Say it with your chest alex, why does making a sheet make you free target for flaming?

[frosty briar]

Best case scenario the sheet stops being made and the community stops being gaslit with bad data

[runic hinge]

Hey is assa dead

[lost fable]

because its spreading pointless "information"

its lowkey so funny there's like 1 pure ST fight a tier and everyone uses ST sim as gospel for the whole tier when the ST sim isn't even valid for the ST fight

[uneven plume]

best thing to do now is close discord

[thorn thorn]

Man can we stop with this joke

Wasnt funny when the rets did it and it def isnt funny to keep suggesting

[gilded oasis]

its sort of funny

[storm forum]

tbh i thought it was rly funny when ret did it

[uneven plume]

it hilarious

[balmy condor]

am I to just sit here and let bad information fester or what do you think I should do

[uneven plume]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-12567454887078541885

[thorn thorn]

Its funny in the way of "god that was pathetic" and we laugh at them for being pathetic and move on

I would like to not be like them

[balmy condor]

oh you got that from ulria's sheet! Ah yes lovely sheet

[shrewd night]

We already do it with tierlists, youtubers, streamers and other sheets.

[balmy condor]

no notes

[whole wind]

isnt it just a ST dummy sim. how is it bad information?

[runic hinge]

Because wow isn’t played on st dummies

[whole wind]

so what

[frosty briar]

St dummy sims haven't been relevant for years at this point lol

[gilded oasis]

are you calling me a dummy?

[whole wind]

theres no other way to bench mark stuff

until we see the content

[thorn thorn]

[runic hinge]

So the info is useless to compare specs.

You can sim to compare gear

[whole wind]

its not useless

[thorn thorn]

What benefit does it have then

[storm forum]

because people use the PI sheet to choose who to PI in a damage amp when it gives dragon 0 dps in a damage amp window even though they're top 3

[runic hinge]

To compare specs it is

[whole wind]

there is a strong correlation between higher simming specs and higher performance in raids

although it is not a hard rule

[balmy condor]

"we" don't do anything with tierlists, youtubers, streamers, and other sheets, I have to do that, you're not sticking your neck out on any of that. I have to be the one to sit here and try and curb misinformation, what you get to do is show up and take the moral highground because you aren't actually having to deal with any of it

[thorn thorn]

Ya its not a hard rule cuz wow isnt played on a spead sheet

Fight design does have a pretty big impact on spec performance

[shrewd night]

So, your stance is that you can just start flaming anyone and everyone who you and your audience regard as useless.

Gotcha.

[thorn thorn]

Which is something the sims dont show

So its only half of it

[whole wind]

regardless the sheet stronly correlates to what is strong in the season

so clearly there is some value

[uneven plume]

https://tenor.com/view/tcalkıs1x-alkıstc1x-tcalkış1x-alkıştc1x-tcalkıs1-gif-11936175987345309458

[balmy condor]

my stance is that misinformation should be called out for misinformation. You seem to disagree

[thorn thorn]

If you have done literally anything since midnight released you would find exactly nothing on the sheet surprising

[shrewd night]

Calling out misinformation is one thing, flaming specific individuals is not.

[spice surge]

That is assuming the implementation of all seperate simc profiles are all done perfectly and matches up well to the behaviour it has ingame

[balmy condor]

he's the one making the misinformation hello

[spice surge]

Which is definitely not the case

[frosty briar]

would the supplier of specific misinformation not be relevant

[soft marsh]

dude are you real?!

[shrewd night]

So you cant see the difference between "dont use the sheet, I think its bad" and "fuck you ulria"

[balmy condor]

you want me to complain about a google doc or what

how is anything changing

[thorn thorn]

He did call out the misinformation

The battle against misinformation is an uphill battle nowadays

Its everywhere in the community

[storm forum]

whispyr saying "sheet bad" for years and now calls out the guy who makes it and gets yelled at by other purple name for calling them out is 10/10

[thorn thorn]

Kinda sucks

Tier lists are another prime piece of the puzzle

[balmy condor]

I can see the difference in that, and the fuck you was half in jest

but yes, sure

[thorn thorn]

But not much we can do outside of "hey tierlists are shit dont use them"

[balmy condor]

how else should I combat it then

[pliant remnant]

CURSE UPON THINE BLOODLINE, ULRIA

[uneven plume]

can the purple names ban eachother?

[thorn thorn]

I dont think there is anything that can be done

[gilded oasis]

tbf the fuck you wasnt in the initial call out anyway

[cursive willow]

Can I be purple too ? I wanna join the fight

[thorn thorn]

The roots of misinformation are so rampant in the wow community that its hard to dispell

[hallow glade]

i think their powers nullify each other and they both become greens

[thorn thorn]

Its mostly at the fault of the content consumers

Since they do not have the ability to extract usable data from data sets

[runic hinge]

Yes

[shrewd night]

Dingdingdingding

[thorn thorn]

most people are gonna look at ulrias sheets and be like "oh interesting tanks are higher than some dps" instead of "how will this impact fight design"

But also

[hidden crystal]

https://giphy.com/gifs/watermelon-13n7XeyIXEIrbG

[thorn thorn]

Its partially on the people making it

Because if the information is bad then its 100% on them for spreading it too

Which is causes us to be in our current situation

[runic hinge]

Tanks also usually only do that much dps with builds specific for it and sacrifice defense for it

[thorn thorn]

A big blend of both actual and misinformation and no real way to distinguish between them

[hollow walrus]

Every season yall surprised this spec is ass but its literally in the name

[thorn thorn]

And the people who actually use the data will often just make the data themselves and not use community tools for it

[sonic zinc]

id be surprised if anyone found out ass is ass
its in the name twice

how can u not see it

[thorn thorn]

Mostly on the community

[soft marsh]

twice even

[thorn thorn]

The people making the data that is bad are also at fault

The only thing we have any chance at changing is trying to cull bad data

Cuz trying to tell the wow community as a whole to stop being stupid and learn how to read data/what is good data is just a losing battle

[sonic zinc]

it all comes down to this at the end of the day,
its all blizzards fault for making wow

[thorn thorn]

So true

[gilded oasis]

yeah, delete wow

[sick edge]

does anyone know if this list is accurate?

[gilded oasis]

plz no

[cursive willow]

Yes

[balmy condor]

no

[thorn thorn]

well

yea

it really just writes itself doesnt it

[storm forum]

Also while I think the random sim dps chart is dumb, I think the tier set comparisons and PI charts can be genuinely helpful, but how far that goes is often rly funny. cause there's like one fight each tier that's actually ST and dragons don't actually gain damage in short damage amps from PI

[sick edge]

oh by the reactions you've already had the discussion it seems.

[thorn thorn]

Ya

Its been happening for a while now

[red schooner]

Every patch

[gilded oasis]

scroll up about 10 scrolls

maybe more scrolls by now

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow Why did you let me be the voice of reason

Im supposed to be a gremlin

This isnt fun

[frosty briar]

tldr it's just a very bad representation of info that isn't relevant to the actual game

[thorn thorn]

[haughty flicker]

shouldve known better than to get involved at all

[thorn thorn]

I like to yap

[bitter solar]

just got caught up and i'm like this guy is always a fucking troll why is he being the sane one here lol

[thorn thorn]

gee thanks

[atomic creek]

The main issue I have with sim sheets and tier lists is that people use them to decide who to invite to their groups, and I need to pug M+ every season

[thorn thorn]

M+ is a completely different can of worms to get into

[gilded oasis]

make your own group, take the bull by the horns

[waxen oyster]

you dont need to

you choose to

[thorn thorn]

But im done being the voice of reason now

Im returning to being a gremlin

[atomic creek]

If I want to play M+ and my guild doesn't do groups, I have to pug if I want to play M+

[balmy condor]

we're chillin it's wahtever

it's not ulria's fault really that sims are shit

[waxen oyster]

called making friends

[balmy condor]

I dont' like him compiling shit into a shit sandwich

[high dust]

Let's do like blizz does with assa. Forget about it.

[atomic creek]

I don't mind the state of the class or spec, just makes it harder to get into groups when people look at the sheets and decide to follow the tier lists content creators put out

[balmy condor]

but it is what it is

[waxen oyster]

also first few weeks of m+

[atomic creek]

Those are the people in my guild that don't do groups. Having friends and them wanting to do M+ is a whole different thing

[waxen oyster]

people just invite big ilvl

[frosty briar]

it also doesn't help that those "resources" rarely update or get looked at later on so even after buffs it's already done its' damage

[balmy condor]

or they're like archon and reinforce it

[hidden crystal]

unlike assa which does no damage

jkjk pls

[thorn thorn]

Guys

Can we stop

Making fun of assa

[waxen oyster]

you add people who are good from prior seasons

[high dust]

It's in the name. It's ass.

[thorn thorn]

[hidden crystal]

i am what i would call an assman, so checks out

[slow orbit]

its double ass actually

[high dust]

I'd rather die than go back to sub, tbh.

[lost fable]

have you considered i dont want to make friends in my massive multiplayer online role playing game?

[frosty briar]

yeah exactly, and the wow playerbase having boomer brains and never taking in new info doesn't help either

[balmy condor]

archon's tier list shit just pulls whatever "best" is from logs and then people invite the best, which makes the best better and forces people off of specs, and then that gets pushed to be better

[waxen oyster]

i just make my own groups and invite people with big ilvl

and high prog early on

io dont mean shit tbh

[thorn thorn]

I make a wheel with every spec in the game on it and spin it 3 times

[drifting cloud]

its ok guys we can time a +6 skyreach with 3 assa rogues I promise

[thorn thorn]

Whatever specs it lands on arent invited

I dont want other unlucky people in my keys

[hallow glade]

i wouldnt invite a rogue either, except for the mandatory sub/sin/law key at the start of the season

[waxen oyster]

though only time i got totally bent in a pug

was with some vodka hunter

[hidden crystal]

can we try a 5 first?

[waxen oyster]

with full mythic gear like first month

[atomic creek]

True, Rogues are trash anyway

[storm forum]

im gonna play DS assa this tier cause whispyr told me to ignore the charts, this way we will counter balance this effect.

[vocal basalt]

I was doing a guild event once and the tank wouldnt stop saying "This is why I don't invite rogues"

[hallow glade]

i waited ~1 min to invite someone from a key last season because i wanted poison dispel and they immediately pulled up my raider io and asked "did x person carry you in your y key?"

[waxen oyster]

lets be real

most good m+ tanks are dps mains

[vocal basalt]

It was like...a guild even to help casual people with keys too, made me really sour

[waxen oyster]

no one with a brain signs up to raid tank

tank jail is a phrase for a reason

[hallow glade]

its called retirement

[hidden crystal]

this was fun, love yall

[waxen oyster]

tanking is only fun when the tank spec does high damage

like colo prot war s2

[sonic zinc]

bdk is fun bc ots on a the cusp of death every second

[waxen oyster]

lmao s2 sanlayn

[sonic zinc]

nothing makes u feel more alive than ur hp bar pingponging

[waxen oyster]

bloodbeast go brrrr

[frail wasp]

Bdk is boring atp

[sonic zinc]

i find all the other tanks kinda boring except bdk

[waxen oyster]

prot warrior

[astral ingot]

Are there any long time assassin players making the switch to sub

[frail wasp]

Ppal is fun

Other tanks kinda boring now

They removed all of the fun factor from maxing vdh damage too

[storm forum]

im playing assa until my raid lead yells at me about it, and then I will swap to sub and do such pisspoor damage my raid lead will ask me to swap back

[waxen oyster]

rogue is weird in how many spec onetricks it has

compared to the other pure dps classes

[frosty cedar]

bc the others ones suck

[sonic zinc]

im in tank jail for raid now

blizz needs to give me rog tank spec asap

[waxen oyster]

mage and lock kind of have people play all 3

depending on tuning

[soft marsh]

I'm playing assa - that's all. Nothing more to add

[waxen oyster]

its never even been troll to play sin

in like how many tiers?

maybe cn if you raided in a better guild

[storm forum]

Even when we're bad, we can huff the execute copium

[waxen oyster]

that got ce before the venthyr rework

[frosty cedar]

i think if we dont get touched playing sin might be benchable

[storm forum]

this is a reference when this exact thing happened in CN

[hidden crystal]

ill have you know im bad enough for it not to matter and good enough to pretend like it does

[waxen oyster]

well cn was a bad melee tier

for anyone that wasnt ww or dk

[waxen oyster]

i mean sin was also simming low in undermine

and lmao

[soft marsh]

I'll just tell people that sin is op. They wouldn't know the truth. They most likely think rogue is a complicated class

[waxen oyster]

anyone who trusts patchwerk sims

[polar sail]

Chill guys we have 3 more tunning

[storm forum]

They made me heal in Undermine cause I can't play any dps that isnt assa

[waxen oyster]

i mean assa was good

on every boss

[nocturne solar]

i fucking love you @balmy condor

[waxen oyster]

had weeks on farm i contemplated killing other melee

[frosty cedar]

i swear this bro has this ready to rip at moments notice

[storm forum]

why he so lonely?

[waxen oyster]

to fet the full value of 7:00 dm

[storm forum]

buds this is too fun, can we go back to crashing out?

[sonic zinc]

just post the sheet

again

[storm forum]

ty

[balmy condor]

how large is the folder

[humble verge]

i need to add the other ones i still have in my download to it 2sec

[worn nimbus]

in an m0 we are back baby!

[balmy condor]

[thorn thorn]

Brother what the helly

12.7 tb

Fuck kinda drive you got