assassination

[solar wyvern]

Felscarred

[thorn thorn]

Aldrachi is something like

~20%(?) loss to even talent into

and arcanes funnel is now down to something like 8 or 10% of their overall

[solar wyvern]

I think you may legitimently switch hero talents based on comp and key ngl

[thorn thorn]

Meanwhile assa having 2 cds hit one mob and a big portion of aoe coming from slamming damage into one enemy

[solar wyvern]

There is a thing known as "too much prio"

[thorn thorn]

Imagine having prio damage that nuclear and still being considered undertuned

[solar wyvern]

Well when ur boss dps in keys is like 75k :/

[thorn thorn]

yup

We dont talk about that part tho

[hazy sundial]

how does Assa compare in ST fights to sone other top ST specs?

[solar wyvern]

Badly atm but nothing tuning cant solve

It SHOULD be a top st spec just based on its design but yknow

Numbers op

[balmy condor]

just do golf rules

and compare everything to shadow priest

[ocean shell]

arms ignored even when being shittalked

[balmy condor]

arms is just shit

[solar wyvern]

Arms? Yeah i have a couple.

[balmy condor]

shadow is legit unplayable

[somber badge]

Tell me about it, have to do 100% perfect rotation to get even 50% of what every other class gets

[haughty flicker]

[thorn thorn]

Unplayably undertuned?

[balmy condor]

yes

[thorn thorn]

Somehow I have not heard of this lore

I thought arms was the most down bad

[solar wyvern]

Arms is worse numerically but spriest is like

[balmy condor]

shadow legit ain't pressin shadowform

[solar wyvern]

Ugh

[balmy condor]

or voidform

[thorn thorn]

[solar wyvern]

Thatll get fixed just like not pressing pyro surely

[thorn thorn]

By not pressing shadowform

Do you mean that thing that gives them 10% damage dealt

Or the stuff from void eruption

Or both

[balmy condor]

eruption

[haughty flicker]

We did end up using voidform

They buffed it

[balmy condor]

massive

[haughty flicker]

Still dogshit but usable

[thorn thorn]

Are they still running that talent that makes you multidot swp manually

[haughty flicker]

Shadow word death is at best neutral to press under even perfect circumstances though so thst might just not be talented

[haughty flicker]

Maybe in high keys

And yes in raid

[thorn thorn]

I do not like this version of shadow

Put it back

[haughty flicker]

Its still pretty fun

Just very worrying tuning decisions

[thorn thorn]

I almost alted shadow

And almost alted sin

[haughty flicker]

Rogue op

[thorn thorn]

[ocean shell]

don't worry, they'll rework it next season, just like they've done 3 seasons in a row

[keen spruce]

yeah but you're him

[split grail]

So for keys is it better to do the 65 secondary food or the 50 prime. Assuming you dont want to use a whole ass feast

[balmy condor]

prime

[split grail]

I figured as much, jsut making sure

[hidden robin]

how come sudden demise sometimes works and just sometimes doesn't lol

[balmy condor]

it's a weird thing like that

[hidden robin]

i just want a bleed build i can use for leveling/open-world

idk where i found this but this is where i'm at

[balmy condor]

that's the leveling build

[hidden robin]

how do u know

[fallow canopy]

[balmy condor]

no clue

[hidden robin]

something tells me that i'm lacking critical information

[balmy condor]

I write all the guides

well, I don't write icyveins

but I give seli all the info for icyveins

[solar wyvern]

Whispyr knows the wowhead writer

[balmy condor]

I made that build

[hidden robin]

https://klipy.com/gifs/guy-im-the-guy

that's u

[balmy condor]

pretty much yeah

if it's anything related to assassination

I am kind of impossible to avoid

[hidden robin]

oh wait that's right

u also gave me that build from yesterday

i saved the img but never imported it

but i wouldn't have dragon-tempered blades

[balmy condor]

yah well

if you wanna bleed build

you can't also have all the non-bleed stuff

[hidden robin]

lowkey

i'm thinking the bleed build sucks

LOL

[balmy condor]

correct

[hidden robin]

[balmy condor]

that's what I told you yesterday as well

but you insisted

[hidden robin]

yeah that's true

you even obliged with a build for me to use

that, i appreciate

i am a glutton for punishment

[red spire]

Probably a very common question - how much worse percentage wise is Fatebound over Deathstalker in AOE scenarios? I did a few heroics as Deathstalker and feeling like I want to change specs, if not classes after those 😄

[balmy condor]

depends on the aoe

the more the aoe, the worse fb is

but it's comparable on like 8 targets

and fatebound is more overall damage in dungeons typically

[red spire]

Well on anything over like 6 targets the spec plays awfully anyway so I'll take it 😄

[balmy condor]

it plays the same on 5 as it does on 50 though

[red spire]

More crimson tempest casts though? Or am I playing it wrong and just supposed to cast it like twice max?

[balmy condor]

I mean you just ct -> envenom

instead of ct -> envenom and then fok -> envenom

but like on 5 targets you'd ct twice

on 50 you'd ct more obviously

but it's still ct -> env

your rotation doesn't really change at all

[red spire]

I meant more feeling wise as I feel like I have to afk a couple of seconds energy wise after two CTs, dunno probably doing something wrong

[balmy condor]

oh

yeah

that's the good part though

if we didn't have to afk and proc implacable and shit we'd just be sub rogues

and everyone bitches about sub being boring

[red spire]

imma assume that's sarcasm because there's no way you've been stockholm syndrome'd into thinking going afk for a few seconds in a huge m+ pack is enjoyable 🥸

[solar wyvern]

well in a huge packj

u dont play around apex

dashing becomes your energy

[balmy condor]

I do actually

and I always have said taht

assassination is slow

its been slow for 20 years

[red spire]

Game feel is different now though - I can afk autoattack in classic all day but it still feels awful to do on retail

[balmy condor]

yeah, and it's a damn shame the only thing that exists to manage energy is the first apex point

[red spire]

Same way I feel for SnD before TWW pruning, there's slow and methodical and then there's just going afk while everyone else gets to press impactful buttons

[balmy condor]

cause I wish there was about 6 more of those talents

[red spire]

Yeah might just be that implacable is bad/undertuned - maybe it'd be better if it activated on envenom cast rather than expiry without stacking or something so you felt a bit more control over the regen

[buoyant herald]

I think the concept is that it procs when you need it ie not enough energy for another envenom

[red spire]

But it still feels bad, at least to me - i'm not sure if it's because it's just undertuned or because the gameplay concept doesn't appeal to me as you feel penalised for chaining properly and then your reward is to afk for a long time with your next set of chaining being gimped further by no longer have thistle tea as a crutch

[calm grail]

I did everything I can think to do and am still like 60 veteran crests shy of cap.

Is there anything not obvious I'd be missing? Did all hard prey/0's events etc.

[buoyant herald]

I think you just farm heroics?

[balmy condor]

yeh

[haughty flicker]

can also do random heroic hunts apparently

i havent bothered farming crests though

[buoyant herald]

Yeah they’ll cap out when mplus comes out with all the overflow

[snow kindle]

If you do random prey hunts you get 15 Vet crests

and theres no cap on doing them.

[shadow agate]

Is it still crit>haste for m+ prio, I mean everything is really an upgrade at this point, but thought I saw people talking haste a day or two back

[balmy condor]

yes, crit > haste everywhere

[boreal lichen]

Is there a threshold of %life on mobs in mythic+ were spreading bleeds with crimson tempest is not worth it? If a non prio mob is 20% life and should I get bleeds on it in aoe packs for example.

[static glacier]

This will depend if you’re taking sudden demise or not

[boreal lichen]

Looks like most mythic+ guides don’t use it so I prob won’t

[severe meadow]

SD is kinda ass

[knotty vapor]

has tricks always been a 1hr buff for sub?

oh wrong channel :3

[static glacier]

It’s 1hr for both trickster specs (outlaw / sub)

[static glacier]

Yeah right now it’s not looking great, but it does change the damage per cast of bleeds vs targets that would die before the bleed has finished

Normally we don’t look at mob % hp, instead using TTK (Time to Kill) instead. Back in tww it was 9 secs to spread rupture (we had much better energy refund / sniping though)

[haughty flicker]

i think the worst part of midnight is they stole bonespikes vfx for unholy apex talent

[real pike]

Ye I had visions of maintaining envenom chains for entire fights

[jade abyss]

we can track apex now right?

[woven urchin]

Hello guys,

Is it normal i feel i have no energy every time ?

[balmy condor]

yes, it's intended

[shell plaza]

can i ask 2 Q for clarification:

1. with the m+ talents we use FoK on 2+ targets?
2. on aoe opener - after the 2 garrotes - do we rupture on 4 cp and ct it or use one fok to get to 5+ cp and then rupture and ct it?

thx in advance

[balmy condor]

1. yes
2. no, you never finish on 4cp ever ever ever ever EVER it's really fucking bad, press a fok

[shell plaza]

thank you, good sir, may your fortune be abundant (gloriously)

[real pike]

Holy shit is that Zendaya??

[shell plaza]

in between 2 movies, got some time for wow

[vernal adder]

[late kestrel]

is shiv not needed for kingsbane anymore?

[scarlet orbit]

no it does not amp dmg anymore its pretty much just a soothe now

[late kestrel]

ok tysm

also is vanish still able to amp kingsbane dmg if used during the ending seconds? or just normal priorities during kingsbane

[scarlet orbit]

No, the use for vanish now is to enable improved garrote for dm

[plucky ember]

are we rogues just fucked in pvp atm?

[runic hinge]

#pvp

they have the answers you seek

[blazing kayak]

sub or sin for M0s/mythic +

[latent kernel]

Sub will get infinitely more value right now since everything dies in 0.5 seconds

[tawny geyser]

Sub just slams everything, but theres a small downtime between bursts which is normal ofc.
I am an Assa freak, but first time I am investing time in Sub, as its more simplified and actually feels rewarding.

[red jolt]

Does anyone know of the pitiful energy back on Venomous Wounds (kill) is intentional or not?

I feel like weird if they nerfed it this much, wasn't that overpowered was it? Kinda niche quality of life thing

[brisk forge]

Word, assa feels clumsy sadly...

[naive dragon]

not a fan of the apex talent regen

[royal lantern]

well, it was never supposed to give back so much energy in the first place, it was bugged for ages

[royal lantern]

brother, sorry but thats also just kinda "instant burst spec VS setup spec"

[brisk forge]

idk. its just feels awkward to play, and i´ve mainly played ass thru the years

[red jolt]

Lol the class fantasy of rogue is that it's either broken for good or bad, but always broken

I remember echoing reprimand not working with Deathstalker for months :')

[viscid cloak]

Apologies if this has been asked, are there any sort of Sims for rogues? cant seem to find any for reference

[royal lantern]

it was like

the refund was 2x higher then it was supposed to be

and that got fixed, and at the same time DRASTICALLY reduced

[slate crown]

So I hate the way the CDM looks with the overlayed buff duration, how it's the pale yellow transparent radial swipe

Has anyone found an addon that masks it differently?

Or adds the old "Edge" thing WA used to have?

where the edge of the swipe had a distinct clock-hand

ahh cdm centered has some settings

[earnest remnant]

think arcui and ajie cdm or however his name is spelled

both have those

[pearl dragon]

Pretty sure this is a basic question - but, do you actually play around kingsbane? I know it stacks with letal poisons but I can't tell if I should be adjusting my playstyle in the kingsbane window

[loud galleon]

is assassination super weak feeling rn or is it just me

[severe meadow]

It’s under tuned

[loud galleon]

Im bout to change speccs like.. im hitting my buttons and im just tickling them.

[distant plinth]

Reroll DK

[loud galleon]

I mean, I have an Arcane mage that I can reroll to

or a paladin

[severe meadow]

Sub feels pretty okay rn since a lot of stuff dies really quick in the current content we have

Assa is a ramp class so it's not like we have instant big damage

Personally in what I've done, Assa has felt pretty alright

[loud galleon]

let me finish gearing her a little more.. im.. curious

It could be literally because she isn't in heroic gear yet.

[coral ibex]

max level pre-gearing is about as weak as a wow character can ever feel

bc the world is scaled to max level but you have no stats

[loud galleon]

See, I didn't feel that with my mage.

I was melting shit over and over again

but like, Mage just feels super busted rn

[severe meadow]

For what it's worth, my Rogue is 239

I'm leveling my mage rn and I can say it does feel pretty smooth

[balmy condor]

You can’t do anything to help kingsbane other than maintain envenom (which is basically perma uptime to begin with) and making sure you’re auto attacking

[pearl dragon]

ty - Thought as much, just wanted to make sure I'd not missed anything

[drowsy harbor]

is this UI public ?

[slate crown]

no

it’s just my personal one, i’m not publishing work anymore

also it’s pretty much just luxthos with some thing nudged around (he put out a video about a month ago with all the details)

[slate crown]

i’m leveling as assa and i have to say them moving vw down to its new position is fucking criminal

for leveling purposes

[balmy condor]

Yeah but vw sucks

So it’s kinda okay

[slate crown]

not for the rupture return on enemies dying which is constantly happening while leveling

[balmy condor]

The thing that got nerfed by 90%?

[slate crown]

IM FUCKING STARVING OUT HERE OK

[balmy condor]

1 energy per tick btw

[slate crown]

you don’t get it do you you selfish monster hoarding all the energy for yourself

btw thoughts on punk punch?

it doesn’t help that i have refused to equip a single piece of gear a quest has given me since starting this character so things hurt and don’t die quickly

[distant plinth]

Planning one as well actually

Went for enhance as an alt.. both F tier but soon SSS+ tier

[solar wyvern]

Do you guys think whispyr prefers assa being an energy starved class so he has an excuse to drink more white monster?

[normal mist]

Absolutely

[balmy condor]

Haven’t had it

[fringe spear]

you solved the secret

[balmy condor]

Do you think Whispyr prefers assa being an energy starved class because he’s secretly gooning in his videos all the time and needs the tactical break between each edge sesh to press a single CT in aoe

[fringe spear]

If u can't tabweave or monster-weave during rotation whats the point

[runic hinge]

chomp

[fringe spear]

That spell is so bad it won't even make it into pure single target builds

[runic hinge]

thank god

[solar wyvern]

When u edge so hard the tempest becomes crimson? Yeah. I need a doctor

[real pike]

Should reroll paladin then

[spiral warren]

Gonna respec assa to lvl, rip

[severe meadow]

I mean surely Paladin isn't this bad

[balmy condor]

looks like a leveling dungeon

I don't trust shit from pre 90 dungeons

the level scaling is all sorts of loopy

[stuck lodge]

I played with some rets that were doing fine damage, so yeah

Or they just didnt have cds and spagetti'ed their rotation during the pack

[wooden timber]

does this go crazy for sin

or do i give it to my friends potential non main character

he said i should take if its good for sin (on paper it looks like it) but idk how it is relative to average m0 trinket

sims good for me but it could be bc im in poverty and there is no droptimizer

[balmy condor]

it's fine yeah

[wooden timber]

its like really good for him but he might not play that char for prog

[balmy condor]

a bunch of the pre season stuff doesn't work in sims, but also like

does it matter

[wooden timber]

so i probably give him it

in that case

if it is just fine 4 me

ty

[balmy condor]

np

[solar wyvern]

That trinket isnt on m+ roto anywau

Youre using pbox and you will LIKE IT

[balmy condor]

double passive

my beloved.....

charrend, if I never fix puzzle box cast sequencing in sims

and you just tell everyone its bad

together we can gaslight the community into not using that shit trinket

thoughts?

[shy heron]

[wooden timber]

oh yeah its just to go crazy on heroic week

[sick edge]

So what's the thinking so far, are we thinking there will be any tuning on the 17th in sin rogue favour? I've played it a bit and it seems to be lagging behind somewhat.

[solar wyvern]

Hmm ill go with "i just never looted the feather idk"

Unlucky

[balmy condor]

depends on what the tuning goal is

if 85k ST is the tuning goal, then we're not seeing anything, and like 35 specs are getting nerfed

tanks are doing giga dam

demo lock is doing giga dam

they're getting nerfed for sure

the rest? no clue

[hardy pawn]

am i imagining things that the spec feels SOOOO energy starved its almost stuck at times?

[balmy condor]

there are moments where you have downtime yes

[pliant remnant]

Nerf all ranged specs, buff all melee specs

[subtle tundra]

palas are getting nerfed

[sharp bramble]

did some m0 today and the tank was chain pulling more or less the whole dungeon or rather to all the bosses. even with energy pooling it was nearly impossible to avoid downtimes

damage was fine though so i guess thats how blizz wants it

[balmy condor]

yep

the issue isn't that there's downtime, it's the apex is the only thing to do in order to "manage" energy

[sharp viper]

i wonder how many tuning passes will happen after the 17th

[balmy condor]

with how fucked the tuning is right now

they probably need like 15

they also said they don't intend to tune during the race

which I find impossible

idk how they imagine that happening

[frosty cedar]

did they not say they were going to tune every one of the 4 weeks starting from HC week launch, but after the first two tuning passes, once mythic launches, the changes wont be as heavy handed?

[balmy condor]

something like that

but like

they have to be heavy handed with how shit it is

they have put themselves into a corner

for no reason at all

[pliant remnant]

Fucking yolo, at least the shit show will probably be memorable

[frosty cedar]

I agree, but I am expecting big dick swinging changes for March 17 and 24 at least

[balmy condor]

god I fucking hope

[frosty cedar]

my headcanon is blizz got rid of whoever was doing internal sims, got used to using community sims, the community sims are giga late this tier, so they put off any tuning as long as they could

they need to take demo lock out to the back and guardian druid whilst they are at it

UHDK is giga as well

[red schooner]

Race might be interesting to watch then if balancing is scuffed. I'm intrigued.

[low sundial]

Rwf will be 14 mages of various specs

[spice surge]

Yeah surely theyll just do nuke levels of tuning on 17th and 24th

[frosty cedar]

[spice surge]

"Demonology: Damage reduced by 30%"

[frosty cedar]

bring out the nuke on 17th for hc week, then adjust for some semblance of normalcy on the 24th for mythic launch

with HC data

[drifting cloud]

well considering they have literally never done that dont get your hopes up

[pliant remnant]

Arms Warrior: Damage increased by 60%

jk Arms is probably getting another nerf

[frosty cedar]

then when mythic data comes in and specs that got fucked from HC data (assa season 1 dragonflight my beloved) they adjust for mythic i guess

[pliant remnant]

'cause fuck 'em

[frosty cedar]

well, as far as I am aware, they have never put off tuning for so long up to HC week either

I will say though that part of this is cope because I would love a giga tuning nuke

[balmy condor]

Its going to be a shit show

[drifting cloud]

no balance during that 1 month period of end of beta-early release is pretty common

[frosty cedar]

it does seem plausible

[drifting cloud]

its just the general balance has never been so bad as its right now

not even start of SL

[frosty cedar]

i feel like guardian druid being top dps levels of stupid would probably have been reigned in before even though nothing matters atm

[frosty cedar]

this i defintely agree with

[gloomy steppe]

Guardian Druid is going to get nuked from orbit

That should be fun

[frosty cedar]

so maybe im just seeing the absolute state of balance atm and the only conclusion I can draw is that a nuke is coming cause otherwise just FF it

no one is working at blizzard otherwise

[drifting cloud]

like Eleem said

expect alot of notes on hc week but probably very few nukes

and then the rest will come 3 weeks after

[polar sail]

Is there two more tunning right?

[drifting cloud]

since the "real" race starts on 31st

[frosty cedar]

march 17th patch notes:

demonlogy nerfed (it ends up being 0.7%)
arms buffed (in pvp)
ret pala bug fix (its a nerf)

thats it

[polar sail]

?

[pliant remnant]

guardian druid bug fix (it's a buff)

[frosty cedar]

they said 4 passes, one each week starting from 17th march

then about monthly after that

[polar sail]

So two more

hope the fix assa

[pliant remnant]

[frosty cedar]

[pliant remnant]

[polar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-ahh-cat-gif-18079483674604869316

[runic hinge]

Feral buffed to number 1

[frosty cedar]

might as well give feral an assassination hero talent tree to let them poison their claws

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-gif-5621610198334958462

[sour oasis]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[runic hinge]

Assa hero talents are so bad why would feral want them

[frosty cedar]

nah its a new hero talent just called assassination and they just get our class abilities

[sour oasis]

guys, do you use elvui ?

or Shadow unit frame ? and its possible to chargez a profil ?

[molten harbor]

so after scrolling up a bit, it isnt just me? Sin rogue is in the grave atm

[runic hinge]

Yes after half of the first week of a untuned pre-season Assa is dead for the expansion. Pack it up.

[molten harbor]

so when I put "atm" I was referring to the upcoming balance patches. I apologize if this was not clear

[balmy condor]

I wouldn't say assa is in the grave

there are far worse specs

there's also just far better

[solar wyvern]

Assa just needz st help

And its g2g

Tbh

[molten harbor]

I feel like Aff lock is pretty low in ST and its blowing out my Rogue Sadge

which, most of the raid isnt ST, so

[balmy condor]

buff apex1, apex4, and give 10% envenom buff

ggez

[molten harbor]

imagine implacable just popped at max stacks

[balmy condor]

I'd rather not

[molten harbor]

I think you should still be able to let it expire how it does now, but also I cant count to 5 and over use envenom

[balmy condor]

If it auto procced at max then the only piece of energy management is deleted instantly

Like at that point just delete the energy bar

No need to look at it

[odd bluff]

does subtlety have the same energy issues as assa?

[nimble tartan]

no

[solar wyvern]

May i interest you in a systemic shock +5% and doomblade 3% sir?

[frosty cedar]

issue or part of the spec gameplay? it feels right to me. Maybe they could reduce it further somewhat

[balmy condor]

I'd prefer if they changed like 3 or 4 talents to help promote actually managing energy

made the base spec slower, and then buffed the apex

[solar wyvern]

I wish implacable really made us pool and amped the damage we do each stack but increase energy costs so hitting 5 stacks mattered

[balmy condor]

yeah or that

but like

just make that a talent

[solar wyvern]

Ye

[balmy condor]

put rapid injection higher, and then put that in there

every envenom in chain does 10% more

banger

[solar wyvern]

Would break aoe but i like the idea

Fok envenom to the moon 8)

[mint urchin]

But at what tho? In m0 content? We don't really have anything to truly compare perf. Outside of sims I guess

[mint urchin]

This would be cool if it had a balance between keep chaining going and "I need energy"

[balmy condor]

10% more damage and 5 extra energy cost

[mint urchin]

That would be sick

[hazy sundial]

i have an easy proposal to fix assa. Implacable duration increased from 5s to 12s. It would fix most of our problems

[molten harbor]

sims and training dummy. I guess my main issue is implacable just feels awkward

[hazy sundial]

i would also love removeal of stealth dependancy

[balmy condor]

stealth dependancy of what

[severe meadow]

imp garrote :^)

[balmy condor]

what's stopping you from casting regular garrote

[severe meadow]

But that's not improved.. My dps, or something

[balmy condor]

true mb

no stealth gameplay, no stealth damage, no dead gcds, infinite energy, pressing a generator more than twice is dogshit, combine ct and fok, then combine fok and mut, and also combine rupture and garrote, and also this spec is boring I hate it

[ocean shell]

I thought sub was down bad but I guess all specs got fucked huh

[balmy condor]

assassination is fine

[severe meadow]

I mean, stuff dies pretty quick

[balmy condor]

its good

it's fun

community seems to not know what the hell they want

cause sub is seen as giga boring 2 button gameplay

[ocean shell]

can we turn our energy red and have it give us more when we hit stuff?

[balmy condor]

but then all the suggestions of how to "fix assa" are just turning it into giga boring 2 button gameplay

so like

what the fuck is blizzard supposed to do

[mint urchin]

Look it needs to be simple but complex, easy but deep, slow and methodical but fast, with pooling but also infinite energy

[balmy condor]

I don't mind managing energy, I just want energy to never stop me from using abilities that cost energy

what's so hard to understand about that

but also backstab feels bad cause it doesn't do damage and also ct feels bad cause it does too much

and don't give me any buttons

just give me the same spec

but with everything changed

[mint urchin]

Finally you understand

[whole mason]

just get CT with Fok talent should be a very good start point of optimization for now. There is no reason to wait and see data to do this.

[severe meadow]

[royal lantern]

just make assa do broken dmg and suddenly everyone will tell you how great and methodical its gameplay is

common, you know its true

[balmy condor]

always has been

[royal lantern]

survival hunter going from "its ruined wtf" into "the rework is SO AWESOME" in 3 days cus it is overtuned

and you just know what will happen in 9 days

[whole mason]

for a class that help in almost no aspect other than its own output, it is normal people dont know what they want about it other than bigger numbers.

[royal lantern]

[mint urchin]

Survival is all hate on theme, it's driving me crazy

People are mad it got a gun

[balmy condor]

so outlaw then

[ember condor]

wow i wasn't aware that rogue discord is this based xD trrrrue

[mint urchin]

Bro I have never seen people so thematically driven as the hunter community

[balmy condor]

if survival is following the outlaw lore, get ready for survival hunters to be mad about everything for the next decade

dude it's fucking sunny outside fuck blizzard

[cunning needle]

big dam make neuron activate

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats literally just wow players

everytime people say "its so much fun", its 99% cus it does big dmg

[mint urchin]

Honestly I think surv is just really fun

But also true

[royal lantern]

and "its so clunky and needs fundamental changes"? almost always just when tuning is low lol

[cunning needle]

if wow players could do a 1 button dps rotation and top the meters

they'd enjoy the fuck out of it

and say it's the best rotation ever

[mint urchin]

They did for awhile

[cunning needle]

[ember condor]

yeah but they love to deny it, i've only started playing rogue in midnight and im having a blast xD i just feel bad for you guys because its not like it used to be or whatever im not sure need to dive deeper

[whole mason]

I think that just happened in Beta brewmaster tank in test.

[mint urchin]

It happened with the helikeli one button shenanigans

Got nuked pretty fast tho

[whole mason]

I think they said something like " I just used blizzard one button rotation and topped damage meter"

[balmy condor]

to be fair, brewmaster rotation is just tiger palm

[cunning basin]

Based gameplay

[torn token]

does CT bleed spread prioritize mobs that don't have bleed on them already?

[balmy condor]

yes

[odd bluff]

so i guess even at max level assa runs out of energy? is there no build to make it not run out of energy even if it sucks?

[spice sentinel]

you'll generally have higher energy when it matters during kingsbane and deathmark, with higher levels of haste and crit it will probably feel pretty good energy wise but yeah there will be some downtime

[balmy condor]

the spec is designed to run out of energy

[rough haven]

energy still an issue at max level?

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

I wonder

[whole mason]

you cannot expect ever another 10.0 endless energy patch to arrive to Sin any more.

[molten harbor]

Wish more classes had the Warlock's content creator equivalent. Would probably make things a ton clearer for gen pop players like myself

[severe meadow]

Energy command time?

[fallow canopy]

Mfw the energy class has to manage energy

[mint urchin]

You mean other then Whispyr or Shindig that both provide full guides?

[molten harbor]

I have done a lot of searching and dont recognize either of those names.

Nothing against, will look them up

[mint urchin]

Whispyr literally said something 3 messages up lol

[molten harbor]

I have seen someone named Marc** and dalaran gaming, which were good initially, but not a lot of depth

[molten harbor]

I dont read names in discord bro

[polar sail]

Assa better than sub but energy is hell

[molten harbor]

Nor would I know he does content without seeing him in my personal searches

[polar sail]

is devs show the feedbacks about classes or not?

[mint urchin]

I dunno my guy, both of them show up within 5 videos for Assassination midnight on YouTube. But check them out

They will probably have what you want

Okay shindig was like 8, but Whisp does!

[molten harbor]

I will check them out, but not sure why you come across offended. Incognito tab and 1 of them showed up as the 13th video after 2 rows of shorts. And I clicked and they dont seem to upload often at all. Again, ill check them out, sure there is lots to learn, but my oc stands in my mind.

[mint urchin]

Not offended, just more... Confused that you made it to the rogue disc in Whispyrs moderated channel

Without noticing his name

But it's all g

[hot pasture]

i hope people want a rogue in mithic raid 🙁

[molten harbor]

? I googled Rogue discord and clicked on the Assassination channel. No idea what you are on about. Even when I played before I only ever saw JPC's content as a pvper.

[worn monolith]

Am i supposed to re-cast envenom when my current envenom buff is about to drop off? Or should I be chain-firing envenoms until I'm OOE

[polar sail]

؟

[calm grail]

Content creators are cool, but Wowhead guides are generally a solid go to for learning a new class/spec. Ironically, Whispyr is our writer there too (and a bigger employee overall I think for wowhead). I think he's also a Diablo fiend on the side like me.

[balmy condor]

Fire them off, the buff is like 3 billion percent uptime with zero effort

There’s no headroom to try and maximize the uptime

[calm grail]

Do you want to blow all your energy so you'll naturally let the energy stuff from implacable happen?

[balmy condor]

I’m the manager of all the class guides actually, so true

[calm grail]

Otherwise when I was pooling and got lucky I could be at 80 for a while.

[balmy condor]

Yep

[worn monolith]

i dont understand our apex talent then

[balmy condor]

Well, naturally or just stopping on purpose

[worn monolith]

we want to keep envenom up

[balmy condor]

If you hit max

[worn monolith]

but we're energyt starved

if we let if fall, we'll get more energy regen

but we dont want that?

[balmy condor]

We don’t care about letting it fall

[calm grail]

I felt like when I stopped on purpose I would get precariously close to energy capping sometimes

[balmy condor]

Like aside from being at 80 stacks of implacable and waiting for envenom to drop

There is no reason to look at envenoms buff

[odd bluff]

i cant for the life of me enjoy subtlety cuz the effects are corny so i guess im stuck with ass

[gilded oasis]

@balmy condor can you write all the guides like this from now on?

big stabby knife

[balmy condor]

Do you have any idea how uncomfortable it is to see your writing in an AI response

[gilded oasis]

lol

[balmy condor]

Craft a dagger -> wrist

“Wrists are weaker gear slots, making it a good slot to craft for embellishments” is something I wrote in like season 2

[gilded oasis]

this wasnt for me I know how to read

[balmy condor]

It’s like uncanny sometimes

[gilded oasis]

uncanny vallley

[balmy condor]

AI speak and spell clankers are funny and all but shit gets real when the clanker is doing the speak and spell with your own words

[gilded oasis]

anyway, I hope you are doing good

[balmy condor]

It’s the difference between a childhood doll

And hearing fucking chucky at the end of your bed

[kindred flare]

Is there any easy way to track implacable until they (hopefully) fix it?

[balmy condor]

No

[kindred flare]

fantastic

[mint urchin]

Now just get them to do wow spell tooltips! Hmm

[gilded oasis]

how to make tooltips worse for 500

[mint urchin]

While I'm just joking on it, I do have to ask, would it be worse then tooltips that sometimes are actually just straight lying to you?

[balmy condor]

That’s already a thing

[mint urchin]

I was just being garbage discord user harking back to conversations long gone

[balmy condor]

People have been using AI icons for a long time

[polar sail]

Devs listening to feedbacks?

[balmy condor]

What does that mean

How would I know that

What feedback even

Just any?

It’s kinda crazy how many questions can spawn from an original question

[polar sail]

Hahaha

I mean they listen or seeing the feedbacks from people tried the classes or not to see what problem is to fix it

[balmy condor]

[polar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-15446602901786973981

[balmy condor]

I’m not a dev how would I know

[polar sail]

Magic

https://tenor.com/view/giga-gigacat-cat-mewing-mogging-gif-12429734670640119345

[balmy condor]

Changes happen or they don’t idk man

They added implacable recently

That’s something people asked for

[polar sail]

It is ass

[balmy condor]

So like, I guess

[polar sail]

Energy starve

https://tenor.com/view/horse-running-horse-running-horse-running-to-camera-facing-camera-gif-7960399346183693615

[balmy condor]

That is the point of the spec yes

[polar sail]

hope they seeing the feedbacks no one like it like that

https://tenor.com/view/red-red-emoji-angry-emoji-raised-fist-fist-gif-4695612956741787895

[balmy condor]

Plenty of people like it though

[polar sail]

In tww this problem doesnt exist right?

[balmy condor]

if by "this problem" you mean running out of energy

then yes, it did

[gilded oasis]

ive been energy starved since i started

[balmy condor]

it's been a core feature of assassination since like 2014

I've been playing since the end of mop/start of wod

and assassination has been slow, energy starved, with downtime and dead gcds

since I've started

[plush lion]

does anyone have any youtube links of assassination doin mythic0?

[polar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

Why they back it

[odd bluff]

I feel like way more people get put off by it than the few that stay regardless of it

[gilded oasis]

good

[balmy condor]

my vod should be up on twitch but idk any youtube links

[balmy condor]

that's fine

everyone doesn't need to like every spec

and every spec shouldn't play the same

it's okay for assassination to be capped by resources, it's one of the few to do so

having that gameplay and archetype be available for people is a good thing

[polar sail]

you will play assa or sub

[balmy condor]

I've played basically only assa so far, but I played sub in some of the m0 dungeons I did this week

[polar sail]

so you will main assa this season

[balmy condor]

as with most seasons in the last 8ish years, yes

[autumn frost]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[odd bluff]

I dont disagree but it kinda sucks that the one spec i like aesthetically has such a massive turn off

[autumn frost]

Did they get rid of weakauras?

[balmy condor]

yes

[odd bluff]

I hate subtlety aesthetic why am i naruto

[balmy condor]

pretty traditional rogue aesthetic idk

[gilded oasis]

just close your eyes when you play then they all have the same aesthetic

[polar sail]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-xing-xing-stare-reaction-gif-funny-gif-2307132542949825652

[balmy condor]

regardless of how I feel though, blizzard did say they want assassination to be slow and methodical, managing energy as a core rotational gameplay

they kinda failed miserably in that, not because it's slow, but because there's basically no management

idk

[polar sail]

when they said that

[balmy condor]

it's fun still

[polar sail]

100%

[storm heron]

slaming crit and haste will fix it eventually

[polar sail]

Holy ass

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shaking-cat-shaking-black-cat-gif-10360185503342402570

[balmy condor]

the raid build of assa is literally faster than any version of tww btw

[polar sail]

you will install video? Tryied assa m0

[balmy condor]

I'm not uploading the vod to youtube, no

[polar sail]

where

[balmy condor]

I streamed it on twitch

was on uh

thursday?

[polar sail]

give me youre channel name

In twitch

[balmy condor]

whispyrttv, should be linked to my discord, no?

[odd bluff]

is outlaw any better about energy?

[balmy condor]

idk what you're expecting to see, it's just m0's

outlaw is one of the fastest specs in the game yeh

adrenaline rush reduces their gcd even further than the cap

all energy specs have a 1s gcd, adrenaline rush pushes it as low as 0.8

[frail lantern]

Holy yea... thats really freaking creepy.

[balmy condor]

Welcome to the future, instead of reading a human’s words, you’re gonna read a robot that read a human’s words and will regurgitate it at you with twice as many words, three lists, a handful of emojis, and an overly positive attitude

The worlds economy hinges on this technology btw

We’re definitely not in hell :3

[haughty flicker]

it could be worse

at least governments arent pressuring companies to remove restrictions on using their ai to harm people

that would suck

[waxen oyster]

people not realizing how fast modern assa is

funny

[marble hemlock]

idk buddy, seems to me like youve been doing more management lately than ever before?

[frail lantern]

Well imma go onto a mountaintop and become a hermit then lol

[balmy condor]

[marble hemlock]

[vernal adder]

[lethal arrow]

[runic hinge]

Why do so many people want Assa to be 60 apm mut mut envenom spec

[light quarry]

i want assa to be 200 apm class i want to do 2000 billion damage per second

i also want good aoe

[vernal adder]

make assa just spam fok at 300apm

[light quarry]

and buff its dmg by 2000%

so we can use it in ST

[vernal adder]

legion flashback

[supple ermine]

They wanna be outlaw so bad

[balmy condor]

60apm envenom spam
"why does envenom do no damage assa has no burst, this sucks"

many such cases

[vernal adder]

shit game

[runic hinge]

People come to the spec that has had downtime since I started playing it and complain it has downtime as if that was something blizz was trying to fix

[old thistle]

sin has always been like this

i mean if you want smth fast you roll outlaw , fury even

[fringe spear]

They do this in feral as well

People expect every spec to be abc

And get upset when they find one that isnt

I cringe a little everytime someone says energy starved

[balmy condor]

to be fair, blizzard said they wanted to add more energy management

and their fucking energy management ended up being a single talent

so that's a bit cringe

my copium is that if blizzard would stop being such pussies about resource management

and just fucking commit to something for once in their god damn lives

instead of half-assing class design every 2 years like clockwork

maybe it would actually be appealing and rewarding and people would stfu about "fix energy"

[haughty flicker]

they shouldve given us chomp

[balmy condor]

shut up bel

[fringe spear]

They should've given u guys chomp

[balmy condor]

let the ferals have chomp

no

do not give me that shit

my finisher has a buff attached to it

do something with that

expand on that

[fringe spear]

delete slice and dice

[balmy condor]

oops 100% uptime with zero thought involved and green leveling green

haha

my bad

nvm

[vernal adder]

ass should have a poison you drink,you deal 50% more dmg but you die after 40sec

def didnt copy priest surrender to madness

[fringe spear]

A real assassin wouldn't succumb to their own poisons silly

[balmy condor]

a real assassin would be good enough to assassinate themselves

[fringe spear]

Period of weakness at worst

[vernal adder]

new sin ability, cuts their wrists mid combat

[fringe spear]

Passive Suicidal ideation

Naturally need a spell called rope trick

[vernal adder]

[night delta]

Arcane mage has mana management, and I know at one point they had a spell that dunked on their mana bar, dealing more dmg depending on how much mana was spent

Maybe our energy management could have some similar mechanic, idk

Or a buff that ramps stacks while we hover about ×%, and triggers an effect scaling from stacks when we reach below ×%

[balmy condor]

arcane "mana management" if we're even calling it that

is basically nonexistant

[night delta]

Feels like there's plenty ideas to be had for resource management mechanics other than "just space out your casts"

[balmy condor]

like arcane is often pointed to as "the resource class"

and they just could not give a shit

[night delta]

I am not up with the times so with current design this tracks yeah

[balmy condor]

their 90s cd gives them a stupid amount of regen and they still have evocation

so what ends up happening is if their cds are coming up, they don't care

[night delta]

But if it existed at some point and I am pretty convinced it did, this may be something for inspiration

[balmy condor]

if their cds aren't up or they have 45s, they press evo

and otherwise they don't care

blizzard trying to make resources work and failing miserable

peanut butter and jelly type shit

[night delta]

Everyone knows this goes together but it's shit ?

[balmy condor]

I don't even think they're talenting into evocation on the missle build their playing atm

or orb

whatever flavor of not barrage

[jolly stirrup]

They could take the enery cost from Crimson vial and add something like: Crimson Vial regenerates 30% Energy in addition to the healthy regen. (Maybe there is a reason i am not a dev )

[balmy condor]

yeah maybe

[jolly stirrup]

Maybe the reason I am not a dev or maybe a valid change

[balmy condor]

I say nothing

[jolly stirrup]

Speak up buttercup

[night delta]

Envenom additionally costs ×% of current energy, dealing increased damage based on that + casting Rupture consumes envenom buff, dealing damage based on remaining time and restoring y% of missing energy

Like, i spitballed this in 1 min and this is demonstrably more involved management that we have

Maybe it's a shit idea but come on, they definitely can come up with something inventive if they actually tried

[balmy condor]

yeh, that would require them trying though

which is the problem

[sharp viper]

[ashen wraith]

Hello, I'd like to know if it's possible to set an alert for when we run out of poison on our daggers, because I always forget to reapply it.
Thanks in advance.

[pliant remnant]

Klicker's Poison Reminder is one

[jolly stirrup]

Ok Siri, set a reminder in 55 minutes to reapply poison!

[spiral warren]

Wangbar?

[ashen wraith]

u got me

[ashen wraith]

nice mate thanks

[edgy notch]

Yo guys, first time I play assa rogue. Why is mastery not a prio stat ? It seems to be rly strong ?

[frosty cedar]

its not as strong as crit or haste thats all

[edgy notch]

Ok just this isnt a trash stat right ? we just prio Ilvl ?

[spice surge]

Practically every spec in the game just prioritizes ilvl yes

[spiral warren]

Feels like assa better at lvling, didnt like outlaw

[normal mist]

A bunch of people will tell you a bunch of different opinions on that subject

[pine cliff]

does deathmark poison bonuses only apply to poisons applied during the deathmark window? or if you have garrot/rupture on a target prior to deathmark does the damage modifier apply to those already applied?

[runic hinge]

It’s dynamic so it would apply to everything before/after

[pine cliff]

cool thanks

[royal lantern]

yeha but only 1 opinion matters

Quakes

[velvet pier]

!ui

[prisma monolith]

Assassination UI Imports:
Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.

For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:

• Blizzard HUD
• Blizzard CDM

[pine cliff]

anyone know why implcable seems to be inconsitently tracked on the blizzard cdm? sometimes it shows sometimes it doesnt (eventhough it always appears on my normal buff bar in top right)

[zenith elm]

Hey guys, how is it going? it's been a while, i'm trying fire mage for this season 😄

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/nbgetsme-stan-twitter-girl-fire-fire-angry-gif-3616085898862372497

[zenith elm]

@red schooner hey ! been a while haha

[zenith elm]

exactly xDDD

and i like having a BL and being a ranged dps, not having much mechanics in M+ lol

[severe meadow]

It breaks if you use envenom during the energy regen bit

Resets if you drop combat or let the buffs fall off

[hazy sundial]

guys i figured out a build for assa that makes it feel good. Just have 1500 crit, 1500 haste and 2000 mastery and assa feels great

[normal mist]

https://giphy.com/gifs/meme-netflix-series-kopN26K2ThF9j7RL4K

[distant plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/very-funny-haha-kid-eyebrows-gif-4038652058740087557

[real pike]

lmfao anyone else go to voidstorm and just start dying to things?

[boreal lichen]

is there any reason not to craft the dagger atm ? maby some balnce changes on 17th ? and whats the max item lvl it can be ?

[frigid garnet]

259

[real pike]

this is actually insane, gone from killing elites for fun to dying to a pack of 3 normal mobs

[strange onyx]

Just level as Sub

[real pike]

it's miserable lol

I don't think it's all on sin

it's the terrible scaling

[severe meadow]

Void area just has fairly bad scaling

[severe meadow]

No, craft dagger, 259

[thorn thorn]

@severe meadow

Am 87

[severe meadow]

Almost there gamer

Almost (Painfully) done with splits char

[hazy sundial]

are you saying we should craft it now or wait?

[real pike]

craft

[severe meadow]

?

[subtle tundra]

guys if you want assa to feel great, spec sub it works

[severe meadow]

Thanks for the information, Mr Varas

[subtle tundra]

yw if you want more, come to twitch.tv/crims

[boreal lichen]

how many crests will it cost to upgrade it once s1 starts ? and should we prio that with our crests ?

[viscid spear]

MH dagger is always our top priority

[severe meadow]

I always say sim but it depends on what type of content you plan on pushing. I mean you could get really lucky in raid and get 2 daggers or some shit

[balmy path]

Does anyone know if you still have the option of leveling up alchemy and doubling the flask time?

[haughty flicker]

yes

you can still increase flask duration with alchemy

15 points in the flask tree

[ocean dome]

probably obvious, but i just came back to wow and we dont have garrote and rupture applying to other targets anymore like in TWW?

[balmy condor]

Crimson tempest does that

And it does it better in fact

[ocean dome]

so you basically open, apply bleeds and spam crimson until the pack is all tagged with bleeds?

[balmy condor]

Well you’d weave in envenoms

Crimson tempest is a generator

But yeah

[ocean dome]

ty for quick answer ❤️

[frank trench]

!bugs

Anyone have it were it says deathmark can’t be used in this zone

In every zone :/

[delicate pier]

is there a best simming race for rogue atm?

[frank trench]

Maybe it’s my trinket or something

Undead sims like 2% higher than all the other races cause of heritage armor

[balmy condor]

Racials haven’t been impactful in many years just play what you think looks pretty

[balmy condor]

Deathstalkers mark or deathmark

[frank trench]

Which is undead in heritage armor minus the coffin

Deathmark

[balmy condor]

No clue

[frank trench]

It won’t let me cast it anywhere in the world but keeps saying ability can’t be used in this zone

But kingsbane etc works fine this just started

I was sub for a quest then switched back thought relogging would work but nope

[balmy condor]

Are you trying to use the trinket in a macro

From zul’aman

Like is it /use 13

And the trinket where the on use is going to the loa to change stats

[frank trench]

Yes

That’s exactly the trinket I have

Oh no it’s the one that summons a loa and gives attack power

Is that the same one?

I’ll try a different trinket ty whispyr

[latent kernel]

Why do we take secondary poisoning over the fan of knives talent

[spice surge]

Most of your poisons comes from auto attacks, which means you get a very noticeable amount of extra poisons

Like if you never procced any poison from other sources that talent is practically "50% more poisons"

Now you do proc from other sources, and the more targets the less that number is, but its still fairly high

[obtuse lava]

so i saw the maximum video of all classes and heard from shindigg that assassin rotation feel so awkward atm (15 days ago) so is it still the case?

[distant plinth]

!addons

[thorn fjord]

You look pretty

[steel geyser]

do we have any idea how much %dps increase is new tier set yet ? can't find the info on wowhead

[dry cradle]

How much Haste is recommended over all to not run out so fast on energy?

[storm forum]

16000%

But that's not reasonable so we just live with running out of energy sometimes

[exotic hearth]

I'm thinking about changing my rogues race from human (been lazy changing it after losing the rep buff rip). How we feel about orc (either since both buffs are prob about equal) vs troll?

[haughty flicker]

trolls are fucking ugly

[storm forum]

I think we're firmly in the "whichever makes tmogs look good" camp here

[haughty flicker]

orcs at least have decent model

also maghar tends to end up being quite good later on in expansions if you care about that

[storm forum]

Unless you need a racial for pvp or m+ I guess

[haughty flicker]

nobody pvps

[storm forum]

[balmy condor]

4/4

Well, closer to 3/3

[steel geyser]

thx boss

[strange onyx]

those are some crazy numbers

[real pike]

You shut your whore mouth right now

[spiral warren]

Rogue fits undead only

[strange onyx]

Zamda or stay small

[plush lion]

Night Elf supremacy

[violet island]

the value in holding 160 vet crests is to craft bracers/boots/cloak with 2x embellishments so you can make your first heroic week easier/splits easier. It's a decent gain for no real cost

[balmy condor]

bis for assa is crafting a dagger with embell anyway

worst case scenario you get a myth weapon and the crafted moves to offhand

[violet island]

this is for vet (non-spark) crafts

[balmy condor]

oh oh

yeh true

[violet island]

so for rogues, just hold 80 like you said

craft dagger with sparks with embellishment, then 80 vet bracers for 2nd embellishment

[balmy condor]

do we still get a free hero crest

[plain flower]

crests dont exist

[violet island]

Datamining shows no reward (but it always shows no reward until it goes live)

My yolo guess is it'll give 80 uncapped hero crests

since enchanted crests dont exist anymore

[balmy condor]

yeh

[violet island]

and they've leaned hard into uncapped crest rewards this expansion for some reason

[balmy condor]

guess we'll find out eventually!

love midnight!

[violet island]

lmao, that's how I feel sometimes

im just yolo guessing

[plain flower]

if blizzard really hated whispyr they would lean into subterfuge again XD

s2 dragon flight was peak assa gameplay

[balmy condor]

bro I'm on a list at blizzard for sure with how much I bitch about deathstalker in every fucking post

they see a rogue editorial go up on wowhead and they're like

"ah, here we go again"

[vestal wren]

they call you the deathstalker whysperer

[solar wyvern]

What ilvl do vet crafts go to anywau

259?

[violet island]

246

[solar wyvern]

Ah so similar to just having vet gear but u get embels

I c i c

[violet island]

[solar wyvern]

• filling slots u missed on m0 and also preferable stats

[violet island]

[solar wyvern]

Spamming prey

[sullen bramble]

wowhead guide says berserker's rage on weapon enchant

i assume that's not offhand as well ?

[agile wedge]

does for anyone else sensei resource bar not show hp anymore?

it is gone since todays update for me

[strange python]

tell me about it, im 242+ on 4 chars 😄

[solar wyvern]

Im sitting on a bajillion crests

Juuuust to eek out .3 ilvl from bad rng hehe

[strange python]

i just pushed that achivment for discount crest on one of my rats and that i upgraded everything to 237min

[solar wyvern]

That gets replaced in heroic week anyway XD

Hmmm

[dire smelt]

is it ever worth to press crimson tempest on 5+ combo

[solar wyvern]

If u dont have all bleeds out ye

[strange python]

its little bit better upgrading for 10 than 20 crest

[solar wyvern]

Just a bit ya

[strange python]

i misslciked on that new echant in AH and bough them for over mil

[dire smelt]

what if ur completely capped on combo

[strange python]

now im tryint to sell them 😄

[dire smelt]

its worth wasting the combo points u could generate just to get bleeds out asap?

[strange python]

im done pray farming, now i gotta either wait for next week or do another alt

[dire smelt]

this contradicts what charrend said

[runic hinge]

I think personally and I’m vibing here and trying to predict the future. You’d wanna envenom because blizz will tune on the 17th to make it so overcapping combo points with ct will be bad

Either through buffing envenom or nerfing CT’s direct damage

So today you can ct if you need to spread bleeds and that may be correct depending on target count and some other things but in two weeks I have hope that will be incorrect

(Im hoping they buff envenom a bit for some ST and maybe like 5% to spatter too)

Bleeds doing a lot of damage is cool but spatter feels like it should do a bit more than it does currently with how poison centric the talent setup and apex is

[balmy condor]

might be a dickhead move but I'm literally just going to point you to the extra info in the guide for this

[dire smelt]

nah its ok ty for showing me

[balmy condor]

np

[spiral warren]

Anyone using elvui? Apparently works, does it have glowing spells

[boreal lichen]

How much does assa profit from a monk tank in mythic+ ? I doubt all our dmg gets increased by the 5% physical debuff

[balmy condor]

bit under 2.5%

[earnest narwhal]

Do the things that don't benefit from mystic touch benefit from demon hunter instead?

[balmy condor]

yes

[earnest narwhal]

BRB need to find a demon hunter tank and a monk healer to weld my ass to

[balmy condor]

I mean

should find a shaman

but sure yeah

that fat 2.5% dps

[high dust]

checks pins oh, what a surprise, the dagger is bait, right?

[balmy condor]

what dagger

fishhook?

[high dust]

yeah

[balmy condor]

it's utter dogshit yes

[high dust]

for some reason in my server people are trying to sell it saying its "bis"

and i'm here like...DOUBT.

[balmy condor]

it comes pre-embellished therefore it must be bis surely

[ember hinge]

is there any way to properly track implacable? cooldown manager doesn't always seem to track it for some reason

[arctic tusk]

why do the pre embellished daggers exist, when have they been good

[stable pasture]

I remember hunter having an op pre embelished item not super long ago

Sone point in DF

Dont think weps have been

[storm forum]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[royal lantern]

its in the pins

its bugged rn, will get fixed in the future somewhere

[cunning needle]

I've seen this episode before.

[normal mist]

We've seen this episode since TWW beta

and i don't like it

[odd bluff]

@balmy condor question about implacable r1

should I stop using envenom whenever it implacable caps at 80 or should I should I just mash envenom whenever regardless of it

when 5 points obv

[odd bluff]

okay so its as nuanced as I thought

tracking it in buff tracker is kinda buggy

[balmy condor]

#assassination message

[odd bluff]

must be fun answering the same questions everyday lol

my apologies

so whats the workaround?

[balmy condor]

counting to 5 in your head or looking at your buffs

[severe meadow]

Count to 5

[odd bluff]

my biggest weakness

counting to more than 3

[severe meadow]

Move your entire buff bar to a spot you can look at it better

[odd bluff]

i was thinking of that for a hot millisecond

[severe meadow]

At least you think

[normal mist]

count to 3 and then count to 2

[odd bluff]

oh ur a genius

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-psychostick-i-can-only-count-to-four-i-can-only-count-to4-let-the-bodies-hit-the-floor-gif-27341544

[worn monolith]

is there a fix for the Implacable buff tracker bug where after your first time getting implacable, it stops showing you how many stacks you have?

[balmy condor]

no

[worn monolith]

awesome

[olive whale]

anyone else having issues with Sudden Demise leaving creatures at 1% the last couple days?

[fringe kraken]

Nope

It has been a bit wonky this whole launch though, it wasn't triggering when I was leveling to 90

[molten shore]

It's like my top damage dealer when questing but in dungeons it does barely anything. Not sure if that's a bug or if it's supposed to be like that. Sounds like there's a few bugs with the skill though.

[latent kernel]

is there a reason we take secondary poisoning over the fan of knives buff

just seems like fan would be better

[balmy condor]

fok doesn't do damage, poisons do, and you get extra energy from dashing

flying daggers has honestly just straight up never been good

[latent kernel]

copy roger thank u

@balmy condor it does more damage because the damage meter tracks it as a poison application right, the instant dmg it does is shit?

[balmy condor]

correct

[worn monolith]

are any of you topping the meters in m0s?

im getting smoked by my friend's BM hunter

[balmy condor]

I was beating boomkin+havoc

but yeh, you will get obliterated by some stuff

[severe meadow]

ye

[quaint nimbus]

ye

[worn monolith]

im just having trouble maintaining energy over the course of a pull

[severe meadow]

In big aoe pulls energy isn't really that big of an issue

[quaint nimbus]

Gotta find yourself a tank friend who’s not afraid to pull big

[bronze pike]

this tbh

im pulling huge in m0s

literally nothing does damage rn

[turbid sandal]

Don't we just spam CT on really big pulls? Or is it better to weave in Envenoms?

[stuck lodge]

I think you generally just spam CT to spread, using envenom to dump

then switch to FoK when everything is dot'ed

[balmy condor]

Not really no

[turbid sandal]

I've been Assaing wrong 🙁

[balmy condor]

I mean, spamming ct to spread in big pulls is kinda fine

It’s just cringe padding

But straight up spamming ct is obviously nonsense