Bro rage baited himself
#assassination
severe meadow
coral ibex
m+ bad emplussers worse 
hazy helm
@hallow glade please help me explain why aoe damage doesn’t mean shit beyond a certain point in keys. Because I can’t get it through to them.
lean plover
?
balmy condor
?
severe meadow
?
lean plover
we all know padding doesnt equal good timer
coral ibex
wait wait
lean plover
you can have insane aoe without padding xd
balmy condor
Bro who are you arguing against
hazy helm
CT spam is literally padding
spice surge
Bro is schizoposting
coral ibex
are we in the "only prio damage matters" part of the m+ discourse??
lean plover
or having insane aoe while doing insane prio
balmy condor
CT spam is literally padding
No one said otherwise
coral ibex
"only overall matters"
"only aoe matters"
"only prio matters"
"only boss dam matters"
where are we in the cycle rn
balmy condor
Literally who the fuck are you arguing against
mint urchin
No one said otherwise
I think he's just been arguing with himself this whole time
hazy helm
No one said otherwise
Love you bye
severe meadow
balmy condor
Bro you’re so fucking schizo what is happening
Can you make one coherent point
This is crazy
hazy helm
Everything
mint urchin
where are we in the cycle rn
We are at the "only my trinket at the end of the run" matters
runic hinge
Brother is arguing against no one and losing
balmy condor
This has to be bait
coral ibex
We are at the "only my trinket at the end of the run" matters
AMEN
placid adder
Swinging at air
hazy helm
🪝
hazy helm
And you’re a cuck, I’m not judging though
severe meadow
I’m going to not respond as per usual because I genuinely think you’re mentally unwell
But I do wish well for you
haughty flicker
At least this is good old fashioned shitposting instead of the ai stuff on the forums
hazy helm
^
runic hinge
I wouldnt call it good shitposting
severe meadow
Shit posting has really gone down hill me thinks
hazy helm
You think?
coral ibex
so you would say we're in the "only boss damage matters" part of the cycle?
severe meadow
I think we might be
normal mist
Yo momma
winged quail
That was a fun read
fleet atlas
Ya hopped on towards the end and had to go back. Good stuff
fallow canopy
severe meadow
It’s fine, we get all of the schizo posting out of the way before launch
bronze pike
At least this is good old fashioned shitposting instead of the ai stuff on the f...
ugh i hate that
thorn thorn
Such a low effort bait that people were trying to fall for it and couldnt
Actually pretty commendable accomplishment 
haughty flicker
ur mom is a low effort bait
thorn thorn
This is true
haughty flicker
you have very good genetics
haughty flicker
well sometimes they skip a generation
severe meadow
Glasses gang
jade igloo
waxen oyster
I should do a drinking game when the tier starts.
Anytime someone thinks "prio damage" matters and they aren't doing wf level keys.
Take a shot.
lean plover
well prio dmg is always nice
not fun murdering a huge aoe pack only to see big guy 40% hp
thorn thorn
Take a shot.
You will die of death a week in
waxen oyster
Thing is 90% of people only say prio damage because some streamer said it.
And think repeating it makes them sound smart.
It's the same as people who toss "per capita" into a statement without reading context.
severe meadow
Erm.. Prio damage is really important in my 10 bro..
coral ibex
"guys assa is literally bugged -15% damage bro its literally TROLLING TO PLAY IT" - kira
never forget
waxen oyster
listening to non rogue mains talk about rogue is often as reliable as
asking a lender how much should you pay back
thorn thorn
Thing is 90% of people only say prio damage because some streamer said it.
90% of terrible takes in wow can be attributed to some content creator saying something along those lines at some point
waxen oyster
I mean i dont understand the point of watching wow streams.
It's probably the most boring game to watch someone else play.
It's only fun to watch people like gromnak freak out.
cunning needle
It's the same as people who toss "per capita" into a statement without reading c...
australia is in a recession if you look at gdp per capita
waxen oyster
"HOLY DOGSHIT, TRADECHAT BUYER"
thorn thorn
I like witnessing Whispyr fall for bait every time
waxen oyster
thats not as good as zeross arguing with himself
thorn thorn
nothing will ever top that
waxen oyster
I like witnessing Whispyr fall for bait every time
me if whispyr ever gets dono tts messages
thorn thorn
waxen oyster
australia is in a recession if you look at gdp per capita
🤓
severe meadow
Am I wrong in thinking this looks better than the tier set
hallow glade
Am I wrong in thinking this looks better than the tier set
rogue set looking kinda clean ngl
severe meadow
rogue set looking kinda clean ngl
That's the set from campaign
wooden timber
i like the tier set minus the hat
bronze marsh
I’m personally not a fan of the tier set but transmog exists so it’s w/e
wooden timber
but i am a big fan of jesters and clowns and guys like that
severe meadow
Yeah this is really not hitting anything for me
thorn thorn
Yeah this is really not hitting anything for me
wtf is this 🥀
severe meadow
wtf is this 🥀
Heroic tier
hallow glade
i mean
severe meadow
but the old sets just look so much better
They cooked with the s1 tier in tww
hallow glade
one of these looks like the armor you get from exiles reach or something
waxen oyster
Yeah no idea why it wasnt the MFO SET
waxen oyster
They **cooked** with the s1 tier in tww
then dropped the ball with s2
severe meadow
s2 was hot ass
waxen oyster
i did that at the start of the season
my kyveza from temu fit
it looks better now with kyveza fist+arcane enchant imo
Basically that
waxen oyster
like the delve helm
but fun police now removed the capability to put illusions on ghostblades
haughty flicker
I like pieces of the new tier, my main issue is it doesnt match very much
The colors are kinda faded in a way a lot of things dont match
severe meadow
Fully agree
waxen oyster
i dont think they were planning on making mfo because this set just screams manaforge
severe meadow
idk I still think s2 was awkward
thorn thorn
Where does dracthyr rank on your list of races that are likely to be terrible
waxen oyster
Where does dracthyr rank on your list of races that are likely to be terrible
Depends if male or female
Male very high
thorn thorn
female
waxen oyster
Not that high tbh
urban fern
I loved this set personally
dusty crag
best set for sin so far, glad i can tmog daggers to swords now
urban fern
Same set but I thought the green on here was good for that too
latent kernel
best set for sin so far, glad i can tmog daggers to swords now
What set is this king
dusty crag
stone oracle
What set is this king
that would be tomb of sargeras mythic
dusty crag
with outlaw artifact weapons
latent kernel
Thanks, two 🐐s right here
dusty crag
this would be my outlaw set if it came with some boots
final star
buoyant herald
I quite liked the kareshi themed sets, they match some of the artifact weapons perfectly
dusty crag
who knew this set was going to be a spoiler for season 3
stone oracle
well there was datamining files in beta (or was it alpha) which mentioned goblin raid and etheral raid
bleak star
few questions , just came back to retail after playing classic for a long time, was curious if snap shotting was still a thing or if everything is just dynamic now? also a question about aoe when refreshing garrotes is it worth to just refresh a full CP rupture and spread with CT to avoid re CT'n again in a few seconds?
stone oracle
most snapshotting have been removed, improved garrote still exists
bleak star
ok but such as trinket/weapon procs and such i dont need to worry about then?
spice surge
Practically nothing snapshots your stats anymore no
stone oracle
nah those are dynamic (sorry letting Eleem do the rest, he knows way more than me!)
bleak star
ok sick ty
hallow glade
believe this is assa's only snapshot
bleak star
ok cool and that one is pretty strait foward it seems
im assuming reapplying with 2 secs left doesnt snap the improved right?
hallow glade
no it overwrites it
bleak star
so let the improved actually tick all the way off then?
hallow glade
believe so
nova kelp
this would be my outlaw set if it came with some boots
boots exist for this, they're just separate to the set
hallow glade
the inverse is also true, improved garrote can be used with garrote up
balmy condor
in theory let it tick to 0
haughty flicker
boots exist for this, they're just separate to the set
at least one of the colorations still dont have boots even with the ones added with trial of style and all that
bleak star
ok ty all! also is it worth to refresh rupture to max duration if reapplying garotte for CTs so the timers semi line up? for aoe*
haughty flicker
but idr if its the mythic variation or not
nova kelp
it's not the black one
I don't remember which either, but I often use myth dashing with the boots, so I KNOW it's not that one
haughty flicker
honestly the boots look kinda dumb anyway
balmy condor
ok ty all! also is it worth to refresh rupture to max duration if reapplying gar...
current theorycrafting says no
haughty flicker
waxen oyster
best set for sin so far, glad i can tmog daggers to swords now
red version is better
dusty crag
@waxen oyster the glad set?
nova kelp
alas, I can't use coz going horde is poo poo on oce
bleak star
current theorycrafting says no
so then just do rupture when falling off and start ct spam to get them up again?
balmy condor
Yep
bleak star
ty for your help all
barren yarrow
ready to here how unpopular we are in this tierlist Max is doing lol.
balmy condor
tier list is just for content anyway
it's whatever
tuning is still giga fucked, nothing on that thing is remotely relevant
stone oracle
he should do 1 the night before season starts just to see how much of it is true the day after
barren yarrow
yeah lol, I just like hearing people fighting for the A slots
waxen oyster
who pvps nowadays they should make the elite sets cost marks
"nowadays"
balmy condor
he should do 1 the night before season starts just to see how much of it is true...
tier lists are an infinite content hack, just ask petko
stone oracle
I'm well aware >.<
balmy condor
he could make one every week 
stone oracle
would make liquid have an army of mathematicians!
barren yarrow
tier lists are an infinite content hack, just ask petko
jokes on us, Petko owns the tierlist domain and website
lol
balmy condor
petko is a sentient tier-list AI
severe meadow
I cooked up a tier list real quick
balmy condor
hmmmm
coral ibex
outlaw should be in a lower tier
fickle geode
dont even feel the assa buffs
balmy condor
well they weren't impactful at all, so that makes sense yeah
severe meadow
Just slightly more aoe damage
bronze pike
petko is a sentient tier-list AI
do we interact with shit tea? or just let is auto proc?
balmy condor
auto
lethal turtle
Who banned shindig
lean plover
frfr imagine taking guys spot, the king of the love you bye
severe meadow
Who is Max even talking to about rogue
earnest remnant
shindigg
severe meadow
He's sandbagging us, buffs inc
flint tusk
He slamming "rogue overall was overpruned" imo assa was perfect
fuck shiv amp timing other than that it's a better form
severe meadow
I think he said that about outlaw, no?
earnest remnant
he did say overall which i dont think is untrue
if 2/3 specs
are overpruned
id agree with him
severe meadow
Is he even watching this
lean plover
wtf
severe meadow
Yeah that's why I asked lol
lean plover
yeah but to say assa is the worst dps in the game in m+
severe meadow
tier list slop
lean plover
bit of an overreaction no?
balmy condor
what did I do
balmy condor
oh yeah I couldn't give a shit
magic thorn
Who is talking about Assa there ?
lean plover
he learnt from locks
balmy condor
?????
earnest remnant
yeah but to say assa is the worst dps in the game in m+
well the tierlist isnt necessarily about dps output
balmy condor
wtf is midnight default ui tier
earnest remnant
bottom
severe meadow
Really bad doo doo dog shit
earnest remnant
swamp ass
flint tusk
gigashit tier
balmy condor
ashen wharf
Think he's focusing on design for ass
lean plover
well the tierlist isnt necessarily about dps output
ofc not, but with everything in consideration no way its mega f tier
flint tusk
"bleed spreading is awful"
severe meadow
He basically said worst dps for m+
flint tusk
Yeh ok buddy
plain plaza
Why yall acting like Shindig is a bad rogue?
lethal turtle
I mean I think sin compared to most melee specs is well done
haughty flicker
good players can have questionable opinions
glad snow
I literally played a M+ dungeon with an Assa Rogue and a Mage and they were both competing with each other, and now I see Assa the worst for M+ ?
balmy condor
but putting it bottom of the barrel omega giga shit
barren yarrow
BLIZZARD!
balmy condor
is fucking delusional
gloomy steppe
I think he's talking design and less dmg
Like the CT spam design is rough
Even if numbers are good
lethal turtle
Yeah design I like
balmy condor
yeah I mean that's just cause they obliterated caustic and haven't nerfed CT for god knows what reason
bronze pike
obvi
flint tusk
CT spam is awesome
you want vanish bleed spamming back lol?
lethal turtle
I would put sub there before sin lmao
gloomy steppe
I mean, CT better than Vanish for sure
But it spreads super slow + makes M+ big pulls p annoying
balmy condor
literally they nerf CT damage and problem goes away
glad snow
yeah I mean that's just cause they obliterated caustic and haven't nerfed CT for...
But that seems a tuning issue, he is talking like the design is so bad the spec is doomed it needs a rework
steady prairie
Ct is better than vanish, but energy starvation is big doo doo imo
midnight mist
he never said that tho
earnest remnant
he did say "it can be fixed with tuning"
midnight mist
you guys are legit inventing stuffs
hollow lily
i think deathlord is lying
earnest remnant
lets not talk complete shit
bronze pike
first he said its a tuning thing
gloomy steppe
People just making shit up lmao
balmy condor
okay well you guys figure out what the fuck he said cause I'm not going back and listening to it
midnight mist
im reading 2 guys in here
lethal turtle
Yo I fucking hate shindigg
glad snow
i think deathlord is lying
I said he is acting like not said the exact thing
midnight mist
that are legit
bronze pike
second i do think the dooming that sin is giga shit is also ya know
midnight mist
spouting
glad snow
Reading is hard
radiant fossil
🍿
bronze pike
streamer filler
fiery mauve
haughty flicker
nobody lies on the internet though
midnight mist
maybe assa players brain tho
balmy condor
I mean regardless of the reasoning, omega dogshit tier is pretty insane
bronze pike
like people always either doom on their main spec during maxs thing
digital raft
He clarified that it feels like dogshit to play, not that the damage is dogshit
bronze pike
like only a handful of people tell it as it is
obsidian oracle
we're cooked
balmy condor
He clarified that it feels like dogshit to play, not that the damage is dogshit
does it though
steady prairie
He clarified that it feels like dogshit to play, not that the damage is dogshit
using that logic, how is sub in B?
gloomy steppe
He said:
- Bleed spread is slow and clunky in M+
- Spamming CT even at full combo points due to tuning is bad
- The CS bug makes our prio damage sad
- Energy regen feels a little slower than it should
proper tulip
sin is no where near the worst designed spec this is some salty discussion
digital raft
does it though
I mean I think so but you're more qualified than me lol
bronze pike
i like to say
uneven sable
y'all are putting too much stock into the max tier list lol
drifting cloud
dont forget to follow and subscribe to the yt video of this livestream
glad snow
He said:
- Bleed spread is slow and clunky in M+
- Spamming CT even at full comb...
How is bleed spreading more clunky than before? it doesn't make sense to me
bronze pike
its a meme and always inaccurate every season
amber yoke
That amp poison/avulsion thing is annoying, true enough
balmy condor
He said:
- Bleed spread is slow and clunky in M+
- Spamming CT even at full comb...
- sure
- yes
- not....really?
- I guess? I mean we're literally ignoring the apex talent in aoe because we don't need the energy
midnight mist
i mean regarding energy he was more so saying that there was no point
like nothing to pool for
balmy condor
yes, that is my issue with it too
gloomy steppe
I think the CS + Singular Focus bug / fix / whatever the fuck Blizz did and hasn't fixed sorta blows
balmy condor
I think it's intended at this point tbh but even if they fixed it
it's like
super whatever
gloomy steppe
I know you said you think it's intended now, yeah
bronze pike
optics
like how
bear having its overheal nerfed "killed it" during season 2 df
when it didnt
optics is one hell of a drug so if the cs was fixed. people will probably treat it as the holy grail or something
cause streamer says "its good now"
gloomy steppe
Idk I feel like prio showed up a fair bit in dungeons in TWW, so having that prio with the additional spatter damage back was useful
Is it game breaking? no, definitely not
But it gave us a small niche
balmy condor
like okay, you have a 10 target pull, you're doing giga aoe it's bloodlust you're slamming, caustic is doing like 7%? 8%? damage
singular is doing 5% just from the bleeds and the aoe naturally
lets hypothetically say they fixed the interaction right
fuck it, make caustic 10% for all I care, that's a round number
with a reasonable amount of mastery, singular focus is doing around 7%
so you're getting 7% of 10%
?????????
singular goes from 5% overall to 5.7% overall
holy fucking poggers
drifting cloud
thats like 23% dmg buff
balmy condor
that's what makes us meta?
onyx scroll
0.7% is pretty big guys
elfin flame
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of it in m+ compared to how it was in early TWW
bronze pike
i will say
last skiff
I will still ask the tank to not chain pull
bronze pike
it would be nice if things are fixed
digital raft
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
You good king
midnight mist
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
fuck you !
chilly sluice
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
I think you gave a fair analyasis and explained yourself well
elfin flame
I forgot to bring up that we still need stealth for some reason too
balmy condor
like yes, you had giga caustic + singular, and now you don't, but also the spec fucking changed man, bringing it back solves zero
bronze pike
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
your fine, you were asked a question and gave your view on it
no harm
plucky quail
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
You could have saved New Orleans with the amount of sandbagging you did in there
balmy condor
idk, they literally just nerf CT and buff caustic a bit more and all problems are automatically solved
big nothingburger of an argument
solid hemlock
Guys I know controversial take with assa but I'm rly unhappy with the state of i...
im on ur side king
hollow lily
@elfin flame logging in to prepatch and playing assa is not fun at all, i feel the same
waited 1,5 years for fixes and its still bad
chilly sluice
idk, they literally just nerf CT and buff caustic a bit more and all problems ar...
but who's to say they do that, so ranking it how the spec is now is all he can do
proper tulip
the spec is not the worst in the game tho
balmy condor
yeah I mean putting the spec there and then not putting sub in the same spot for having the same issues
is pretty insane to me
sub is also using generators to overcap
they're just doing it in ST
and sub is legit like 3 buttons
so why would assa be omega dogshit
and sub not be
sturdy adder
realest shit holy
balmy condor
it's 1 to 1 identical problem, except for some reason on assa its world ending
proper tulip
yeah it's also weird half the people rating based on "design" half based on actual performance. it just comes across as super salty to put sin down there
onyx scroll
I mean all of us should expect more from Assa
proper tulip
there are clunkier specs
obsidian oracle
Looks like blizzard took sin out to pasture
earnest remnant
they're just doing it in ST
wonder if that stays now that apex and shadowcraft is fixed
likely to just play it out itself now
guess we will know once eleem the goat plays around with it
spice surge
guess we will know once eleem the goat plays around with it
Mr simcraft needs to know its been fixed first, and im too dumb to tell him
bronze pike
i like to point out
outlaw should be in the shittest tier too
because capstones do nothing
one capstone fights with the core engine
mechanically our "high point" aka bte resets are ignored in all content
killing spree sucks for trickster
ect ect
haughty flicker
outlaws ride horses they dont have engines
wooden timber
spice surge
outlaws ride horses they dont have engines
Theyre not on the SUBway thats for sure
midnight mist
if sin is in dumpster tier for silly things, why not outlaw?
but non outlaw players likes outlaw
earnest remnant
cuz shindigg didn't think they belonged ther, it was afterall his opinions about the specs
midnight mist
cuz shindigg didn't think they belonged ther, it was afterall his opinions about...
his*
noob
bronze pike
cuz shindigg didn't think they belonged ther, it was afterall his opinions about...
i understand that
sturdy adder
Subway fuckin sandwich that spec is, went from a cool rotation to literal crank and spank
bronze pike
i guess my issue is how fundamentally divisve tierlists are
sturdy adder
They done did my boy dirty
bronze pike
not between spec communities
obsidian oracle
@midnight mist will you be hard maining outlaw in raid?
bronze pike
but in between class communities as a whole
sturdy adder
tierlists are for people with ..placeholder insult..
midnight mist
<@352916297262301194> will you be hard maining outlaw in raid?
i will be playing sub on progress cause outlaw is always garbo unplayable in raid
then i will play it in reclears
as always
plucky quail
Zac what are some insults I can use on tanks who refuse to pull exactly 8 mobs so I can shine as Outlaw
bronze pike
Zac what are some insults I can use on tanks who refuse to pull exactly 8 mobs s...
imagine thinking im not gonna pul lthe entire room
midnight mist
Zac what are some insults I can use on tanks who refuse to pull exactly 8 mobs s...
idk but if you do that you will deplete your key
bronze pike
midnight mist
its fine dw about it outlaw will do aoe now
(30% bf)
i kinda wanna eat pastas rn
midnight mist
why is whispyr typing for so long
severe meadow
why is whispyr typing for so long
He gets riled up when tier list talk happens
delicate turret
why is whispyr typing for so long
hes fighting demons rn
midnight mist
stop typing lil bro
orchid spear
why is whispyr typing for so long
Dude I’m waiting for it like 10 mins now
bronze pike
i care
plucky quail
I think he's unhappy
midnight mist
gg stoppped
steady prairie
hes typing a book, let him cook
midnight mist
nvm
severe meadow
We finna get a new pin
glass viper
bottom of Wow
plucky quail
Basically if your class color is yellow you suck and you bring dishonor on your family
uneven plume
I played sin today and the only way I was able to top meters is if dk was floor pov for boss fights
steady prairie
we need to caveman-ify it for you zac?
balmy condor
!mute @midnight mist 30m shut up man
uneven plume
Sin in a good spot rn
earnest remnant
inb4 its just linux standing on his keyboard
bronze pike
Someone tldr me the shindigging of assa
gave his opinion on sin design, puts design on bottom tier, max tierlists once again proven to be silly
flint tusk
im warning you guys im not reading that thing whispyr is typing
You'll be reading it through your fingers like a good boy
solar wyvern
In terms of enjoymwnt or just numbers
severe meadow
In terms of enjoymwnt or just numbers
Both
bronze pike
In terms of enjoymwnt or just numbers
both
reef frigate
@plucky quail Thanks god i'm colorblind
glass viper
Sin is causing his family to fall apart
solar wyvern
Im ngl i had fun in the last 2 keys i did just now but to each their own
uneven plume
Ngl I’m more worried about floor poving in high keys
solar wyvern
Ye
uneven plume
Feint is now a high iq button to press
solar wyvern
Squeesh
sturdy adder
solar wyvern
So expensive zzz
last skiff
Huf?
uneven plume
Sin is not bad if you play a physy comp and they play around you
sturdy adder
Dead currency
uneven plume
ST was actually not too bad
solar wyvern
"A durable fisting ingredient"
sturdy adder
Hungarian forint
steady prairie
"you already have 21.11" bruh, why u got that much crisco?
solar wyvern
ST was actually not too bad
I think its just a pull 4 things onto every boss and become jesus
Ngl
uneven plume
Thing is so many mobs around bosses are like extra shitter mobs
solar wyvern
Fok does so much damage with ftb active
bleak sleet
Bauss i hear ur casting evisceration
solar wyvern
In higher keys they will live a lil
sturdy adder
CT feels better with crisco fr
uneven plume
Prio kinda doodoo on FB but ima try DS though
balmy condor
@elfin flame for the record, didn't watch, but I got a couple snippets at this point and I'm not targeting this AT you specifically but I'm curious to hear about the thoughts
Pooling isn't rewarding
it's like 1.5% to play the apex correctly, and the apex is the only thing rewarding pooling, that sucks. I wish there was more. Rapid injection and the poisoner's drive choice node is just free damage because you couldn't care about it. This is a systemic problem assa has had for a decade at this point, because envenom has insane uptime with zero effort, and that should be addressed. As a devil's advocate, playing around pooling is currently, the strongest it has ever been numerically. There are some dogass talents though like doomblade? systemic failure? That shit's gotta go, put some pooling stuff in there and let rip
The CT dilemma
CT just hits way too hard. That's it. The design intention is CT spread bleed for expensive, Fok do dam for cheap. The issue is that CT also just does giga dam for some reason. Nerf that, and problem solved, no spamming or whatever
Energy
Assa is faster than it was for all of war within, and the apex is already ignored in aoe because you just don't have the time to drop envenom or you'll overcap. That being said, yeah they normalized energy in aoe and single target. Venomous wounds is still bugged and losing a bit of energy, but assa is just.... fast, idk. The only reason it's not giga APM is CT energy cost being high and the current rotation rewarding mongospamming it 35 times in a row, which I get.
Prio damage
Literally just as good as it was in s3? Idk like I get wanting more to everything, put it's legit just not bad I don't really understand it other than from the pov of "me big number prio ooga booga", and the boss damage is way better too, so I just don't know the disconnect. Is it legit just "more pls?"
Misc
Idk if you talked about any of the jank but rapid fire style the big issues for me that I would see are having no cc, no defensives, and no utility, which is trumping everything above imo. But in general like what's not fun about the spec, it's not that pruned, there's some moments to optimize with the apex, you get to pick which button to press 
balmy condor
Bauss i hear ur casting evisceration
I am not eviscerate, I am confusion
flint tusk
uneven plume
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pzwnfNMHq4daQAmx?fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
Was that DS?
balmy condor
and max stream chatters showing up cannot speak english or remember what was said 15 minutes ago
steady prairie
good lord, whispyr typing is gunna be like this in the future:
sturdy adder
pin that shit
bleak sleet
I am not eviscerate, I am confusion
isnt that for the subtley spec
uneven plume
<@641316998424297522> for the record, didn't watch, but I got a couple snippets ...
“As bad as s3”
chilly sluice
https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565
sat on this waiting for his time to shine
flint tusk
sat on this waiting for his time to shine
fast fingers what can i say
lethal turtle
We love comb haired shadarek
balmy condor
isnt that for the subtley spec
yes
solar wyvern
“As bad as s3”
Singular doing 1m dps on ancient on a 17 with shit dying is pretty good
On a 20 suddenly youre prio jesjs
balmy condor
Yeah like it’s not oppressive but it’s pretty okay
solar wyvern
I think assa just feels bad in low keys to me idk, things too short lived
balmy condor
Dot spec POV innit
solar wyvern
Ct spam is actually a blessing in lowkeys cause playing normally has ur bleeds on everything dies
elfin flame
sub is also using generators to overcap
I forgot to mention this ngl
Had it in my notepad but internet outage cooked me
solar wyvern
Ohhh not the spectrum
spice surge
While i agree it is dumb, since theres practically nothing else going on in the spec its less egregious.
Atleast to me
solar wyvern
^
sturdy adder
Queen's english mentioned 🔥
balmy condor
While i agree it is dumb, since theres practically nothing else going on in the ...
Yeah but isn’t that also worse at the same time
spice surge
In some ways ye
solar wyvern
I actually get a surprising enjoyment out of watching my sht stacks and choosing builder or spender
haughty flicker
spice surge
Idk
solar wyvern
Honestly if they made it so sub had 21 combo points and u could only spend 7 at a time itd be effectively the same thing no?
Its just maelstrom
spice surge
Beats having a bind for cancelaura:ing apex
haughty flicker
yeah but then my combo point bar would be massive
spice surge
Which is even worse
balmy condor
Honestly if they made it so sub had 21 combo points and u could only spend 7 at ...
Bro is inventing anticipation
flint tusk
Had it in my notepad but internet outage cooked me
Gotta say you did sound mega panicked when you realized all your notes were on your pc
spice surge
Bro is inventing anticipation
Sht is just complicated anticipation
solar wyvern
Bro is inventing anticipation
Havent played mop but ig so huh
elfin flame
Give me a combo point bar that stretches from one side of my monitor to the other
flint tusk
Just goon to Valeeria
All hail the booba rogue
spice surge
WideComboPointHappy
solar wyvern
Give me a combo point bar that stretches from one side of my monitor to the othe...
Wangbar
Homegrown
wooden timber
build proc spend 5 times has more of a nice flow to it than build 15 times so i get preferring the sub thing even if the sub thing is stupid
thorn thorn
@safe frigate Lets go im main swapping to a spec rated in default midnight UI tier 
Maybe if im lucky I can snag a few oranges
wooden timber
ofc thats extreme and its not 15 cts but
elfin flame
Gotta say you did sound mega panicked when you realized all your notes were on y...
I knew generally what I wanted to talk about but it was more so specific points I thought were important I missed a few of
balmy condor
Shindig hittin that whispyr at the bowling alley shit
solar wyvern
Stuff happens
balmy condor
Called my ass in the middle of work one time
Was not fun
Phone pov in front of thousands of people 
elfin flame
Is the Bowling alley a meme or did u actually get called mid bowling
That's kinda pog
solar wyvern
Omg the dmv call
safe frigate
<@205982851139764225> Lets go im main swapping to a spec rated in default midnig...
We love an underdog!
solar wyvern
I remember that
balmy condor
Is the Bowling alley a meme or did u actually get called mid bowling
No he deadass had a stream and I was working and luckily had like 15 min of time
twilit python
We love an underdog!
only place to go is up
balmy condor
But yeah W shindig good sandbagging didn’t watch but agree with everything except the stuff I don’t agree with
solar wyvern
Employment??? Reeeeee
fair coyote
Agent shindig
solar wyvern
Yeah good job or u suck and i hate you and congratulatoons or sorry tbat happened
balmy condor
Yeah good job or u suck and i hate you and congratulatoons or sorry tbat happene...
True
elfin flame
OK w I must now go do something because my power is still out
onyx scroll
if rogues get a nice aura buff because of that sandbagging I'll have to sub to him
elfin flame
I am sitting in darkness
balmy condor
OK w I must now go do something because my power is still out
Ok grass toucher weird flex
solar wyvern
Im titling my stream SHINDIG RUINED ASSA ROGUE 1 BUTTON GAMING CT for the next few days
safe frigate
if rogues get a nice aura buff because of that sandbagging I'll have to sub to h...
You’ll have to WHAT to him??
This is the assassination channel not the sub channel.
spice surge
You’ll have to WHAT to him??
onyx scroll
rip
spice surge
The cat ears aint putting on themselves
onyx scroll
saying I'll have to ass to him would be weird
balmy condor
Im titling my stream SHINDIG RUINED ASSA ROGUE 1 BUTTON GAMING CT for the next f...
SHINDIG RUINED ASSA | KIRA PROVEN TRUE??? | THE PROPHECY WILL RETURN
lethal turtle
Hey can I have a TLDR recap
onyx scroll
TLDR we Ass
fair coyote
SHINDIG RUINED ASSA | KIRA PROVEN TRUE??? | THE PROPHECY WILL RETURN
Forgot DROPS
balmy condor
Need some of that “Assa nerfed by 30%” copium in there
severe meadow
SHINDIG RUINED ASSA | KIRA PROVEN TRUE??? | THE PROPHECY WILL RETURN
Woah there buddy, Shindig saved Assa. The sandbagging was on purpose
We're getting hella buffs, surely
balmy condor
Channel your inner casualaddict
lethal turtle
Is shindig and whispyr fighting at blizzcon
balmy condor
Yeah fighting with tongue
hollow river
!mute <@352916297262301194> 30m shut up man
Damn yo
safe frigate
Yeah fighting with tongue
Hot.
hollow river
I’ll tongue fight you
safe frigate
I’ll bring the camera.
digital raft
Yeah fighting with tongue
Buying my ticket now
solar wyvern
SHINDIG RUINED ASSA | KIRA PROVEN TRUE??? | THE PROPHECY WILL RETURN
!DROPS CASUALADDICT WASNT SANDBAGGING SUB IS BAD | ASSA IS ONE BUTTON | OUTLAW IS GAY
balmy condor
I’ll tongue fight you
I bet you fucking won’t you hetero
onyx patrol
can we say are raid buff need a buff atleast? or am i wrong?
hollow river
balmy condor
can we say are raid buff need a buff atleast? or am i wrong?
Yeah ofc
Raid buff is issue and always has been
solar wyvern
Interesting
🤔
balmy condor
Charrend kinda spitting?
flint tusk
What would actually be an interest raid buff for us to get that isn't like mega forced
spice surge
Raid buff is issue and always has been
For sub atleast its way worse this expac compared to the previous, or well skyfury is more egregious
Before it was like 5% on ST and like 2% in aoe
thorn thorn
What would actually be an interest raid buff for us to get that isn't like mega ...
A poison that reduces enemy damage dealt
spice surge
Now its almost 8% in both
thorn thorn
spice surge
So playing without a shaman is gonna feel horrendous
onyx scroll
bring back expose armor haha
barren yarrow
Now its almost 8% in both
im gonna cry
lol
if a BUFF gives us that much, then we need serious tuning
thorn thorn
So far my only complaint about midnight assa is that the energy gain in St seems a little too heavily skewed towards just passive regen, especially when there is no real pooling gameplay 
bronze pike
I think it was 3+ before caustic. With caustic it might be pushed to being worth in higher add number situations like 4+ I would imagine.
I am too old to care to track down the exact formulas and math at this point. Just feel it out.
barren yarrow
So far my only complaint about midnight assa is that the energy gain in St seems...
pooling
thorn thorn
I mentioned pooling in that comment
severe meadow
I mentioned pooling in that comment
mention dn
thorn thorn
suggon deez
earnest remnant
Is that like nunya?
nunya fcking business
solar wyvern
severe meadow
suggon deez
Did you see Assa get put in dog shit tier
thorn thorn
No I do not watch tierslop videos
I consume very little wow content as a whole because I think most wow content creators tend to be morons
severe meadow
Pikaboo the goat
balmy condor
I consume very little wow content as a whole because I think most wow content cr...
Wdym, asmo- yeah okay
spice surge
Wdym, asmo- yeah okay
The political commentator?
earnest remnant
Wdym, asmo- yeah okay
arent you techincally a wow content creator?
thorn thorn
I only watch a video if the thumbnail and title is actually interesting to me and not the generic "The BEST guide for (spec) in (expansion) (season) "
haughty flicker
earnest remnant
haughty flicker
yeah whispyr is my favorite wow content creator
thorn thorn
I like some of whispyrs videos
balmy condor
arent you techincally a wow content creator?
Bro I am a moron
earnest remnant
fair
thorn thorn
Wdym, asmo- yeah okay
Man do not bring up assmongoloid 
plush isle
pretty doomer takes from shindigg, nothing a aura buff cant fix - blizzard
thorn thorn
I hate that guy so much
spice surge
Bro I am a moron
Ye why else would we yap in here and get ragebaited by lowtier bait instead of doing something productive
solar wyvern
pretty doomer takes from shindigg, nothing a aura buff cant fix - blizzard
Doomblade 25% -> 27%
Problem solved
thorn thorn
plush isle
how about another 5% to caustic
thorn thorn
Ye why else would we yap in here and get ragebaited by lowtier bait instead of d...
For the love of the game
plush isle
to fix ct, blizzard could just change the range to 100 yards
coral ibex
balmy condor
Ye why else would we yap in here and get ragebaited by lowtier bait instead of d...
We do these thing not because they are easy, but because we are idiots
flint tusk
Blizz should just make CT our default builder
thorn thorn
plush isle
CT Choice Note, 50% less uptime for 5-6 instead of 2 targets, change default to 3
delicate turret
default to 3 would be soooo nice
chrome meadow
Wdym, asmo- yeah okay
u cant deny his storytelling from his classic, tbc and lich king experience was really good lmao
delicate turret
u cant deny his storytelling from his classic, tbc and lich king experience was ...
wtf is this name
spice surge
wtf is this name
Pretty self explanatory i'd think
delicate turret
I mean goated take but like the self report is crazy
signal karma
i'm a bit behind on the new expac stuff, are the apex talents something you can opt not to take for more capstone talents?
spice surge
You can skip em yes
But theyre tuned in a way where that is generally not the ideal thing to do
signal karma
have we seen it be optimal to do that yet on anyone, whispyr was mentioning we ignore our apex currently in aoe at current tuning but i'm not sure if there's nuance i'm missin there
barren yarrow
We do these thing not because they are easy, but because we are idiots
This needs to be on a shirt
cunning needle
wtf is this name
asmodai, he's a hearthstone player
spice surge
have we seen it be optimal to do that yet on anyone, whispyr was mentioning we i...
The 4th point can maybe be skipped sometimes, but 2nd and 3rd is just 10% mastery, which is too good to pass up
signal karma
makes sense
chrome meadow
wtf is this name
u wouldnt understand
balmy condor
have we seen it be optimal to do that yet on anyone, whispyr was mentioning we i...
Right now it’s pretty troll to skip
You could make the argument to skip the last point but math says probably shouldn’t do that
glad snow
Right now it’s pretty troll to skip
How bad is Assa's ST?
I keep seeing them buff It's AoE so surely it has ok ST?
And it's doing above average AoE on keys
balmy condor
Yeah I mean it’s probably fine
Hard to tell what a decent ST should be
Some initial sims from specs are like 115k on the giga high end
And then the low end is like 70
Brewmaster is at like 85k
So
glad snow
You play Ambush stuff on ST right?
spice surge
Some initial sims from specs are like 115k on the giga high end
Unholy was at like 135
buoyant herald
Devoker is in at like 112
glad snow
Idk what's with Assa but Ambush for it feels better than Outlaw, Like Assa is more energy manage so those free ambush procs come in clutch
balmy condor
Unholy was at like 135 <:garf:1320173032743899157>
Pre-nerf yeah?
spice surge
Yeah
buoyant herald
Idk what's with Assa but Ambush for it feels better than Outlaw, Like Assa is mo...
Ambush for outlaw is just orange sinister strike if you play that build, for assa it feels more impactful I think
glad snow
Ambush for outlaw is just orange sinister strike if you play that build, for ass...
Yeah I think it's because Assa has less energy, those free ambushes feel really good
buoyant herald
Exactly. For outlaw it’s a few more combo points but you’re not exactly struggling to build cps so
Doesn’t help that at the moment it’s WAY behind SS builds numerically as well
glad snow
I think they should just get rid of Ambush stuff on Outlaw and bring something new in place, like they claimed that they didn't want Outlaw to use Vanish offensively but if Ambush is actually good, I think that would make you do it anyways
elfin flame
POWER IS BACK NO MORE GRASS HOLDING
solar wyvern
W rizzler
wet river
W
thorn thorn
Wtf is grass
haughty flicker
W fuck grass
balmy condor
not comforting to see
Yah well, I’m not particularly happy getting gapped by brew monk
thorn thorn
Yah well, I’m not particularly happy getting gapped by brew monk
And prot pal in keys 
balmy condor
this was the norm back in my day
Okay boomer
earnest remnant
rude
desert salmon
Assa and sub shares stats in midnight?
desert salmon
Easier to farm both talents then!
earnest remnant
Both like haste and crit
only diff is assa liking mastery more from what i gathered
and sub vers
balmy condor
Yeh
mossy vessel
hi guys im new at rogue, anyone else is energy starving as assa?
ripe edge
is bleed build not good in prepatch or just non existent
buoyant herald
assa is kinda non existant in prepatch tbh
but the "bleed build" is pretty different from what you remember
balmy condor
“Bleed build” in general just like
Doesn’t exist
The talent tree changes streamlined us
To where you don’t really have that much choice anymore
weary matrix
Hey guys i wanna look into assa on beta but never played before, is there a prio list/rotation on wowhead which can be applied for beta with apex?
balmy condor
Hey guys i wanna look into assa on beta but never played before, is there a prio...
The prepatch rotation is the midnight rotation
Only change is you want to drop the envenom buff when you hit max stacks on the apex
So you can get the energy
Identical otherwise
weary matrix
okay thx 🙂
crude helm
@balmy condor can you track the apex buff yet?
balmy condor
Nyet
crude helm
"yet"
balmy condor
Cyka blyat
cunning needle
Я не говорю по-русски
balmy condor
That’s what I’m saying man
tacit hedge
Guys is it Jover?
balmy condor
No
tacit hedge
So theres a chance then
thorn thorn
balmy condor
It’s been being fine
fleet whale
Not that I want to, but are you required to take the apex talents or could you spend those four points on other things?
This is just out of curiosity
fleet whale
honestly just playing around im talent calculator i'm struggling to create a "full bleed" build that makes sense
fleet whale
like in order to get avulsion you need to take amp poison
balmy condor
Yeh, avulsion isn’t particular good regardless, but yeah
lethal turtle
Yeah but like I compare mage sets and then ww just gets 5 sec off wdp
15% shatter btw
haughty flicker
comparing anything to mage is a losing battle unfortunately
fleet whale
maybe ambush will pump if you get a bunch of blindside procs
delicate turret
lul
haughty flicker
never forget the max stream where everyone was able to pick abilities from every class to make the most op class they could
and growl just made mage
fleet whale
I also love how blizz makes a tier set that buffs mut damage
when they removed a talent that buffed mutilate
fleet whale
I wonder if the pre-patch set bonus is actually stronger than the S1 midnight one for assassin
you know the pre-patch bonus that's literally just a flat damage buff lol
balmy condor
It 100% is
S3 tier sets are tuned to what, 6 and 10?
S1 tier sets are usually 4 and 4
lethal turtle
Yeah lol pretty sure most sets are what like 6-9%
balmy condor
Like if you go back, you can see s1 tier sets being 4% per bonus, s2 being 6-8% per bonus and s3 being 8-10% per bonus
So even the generic s3 tier sets
Should obliterate the new s1 sets
novel storm
Wow, assa feels fucking amazing, so many qol changes in midnight. Do you guys like it also?
buoyant herald
I like
balmy condor
But given that shindigg went on Max’s stream earlier and allegedly ripped it to shreds for 10 minutes and then dropped it into dogshit tier
You’ll probably encounter a size-able chunk of fanboys and parrots that will tell you it’s the worst thing imaginable
sonic willow
!bug
balmy condor
What are you looking for
keen spruce
You’ll probably encounter a size-able chunk of fanboys and parrots that will tel...
don't out me like that
haughty flicker
stiff fern
I've been enjoying it quite a bit personally
Still dislike deathstalker, but it's fun
runic hinge
But given that shindigg went on Max’s stream earlier and allegedly ripped it to ...
I don’t understand ripping it to shreds when the QOL we got is so good. I mean maybe tuning is off but that can be fixed and more than likely will be. I guess less fotm Andy’s in here is fine
balmy condor
I don’t understand ripping it to shreds when the QOL we got is so good. I mean m...
Dunno, didn’t watch 
buoyant herald
Bros an arcane main now everything feels trash compared to 25% OP spec
balmy condor
I was told a couple talking points and a screenshot of it being bottom of the barrel poopoodoodoodogshit
And I’m like
???
buoyant herald
I kid. He may be just trying the boomkin approach
runic hinge
I didn’t watch either but someone in guild posted a screenshot of the final lists
runic hinge
Prio damage is such a meme
balmy condor
Prio damage is important, I just think we’re losing the plot
You got people willing to die for a crumb of prio damage
And people who just want big overall dps
And both of them are idiots
stiff fern
Just want good mog tbh
balmy condor
Like with most things, there is truth in “prio damage huge”
stiff fern
Lotta good fits in midnight
balmy condor
But like, it’s not the only thing that exists
marble hemlock
me trying to keep my breakfast down during MDI whenever one of the casters says "funnel damage"
jolly stirrup
You’ll probably encounter a size-able chunk of fanboys and parrots that will tel...
Less people playing rogue, easier time getting good Logs Sounds good to me
rigid sphinx
Less people playing rogue, easier time getting good Logs <:garf:1320173032743899...
hm, if the only players are goated, might be harder tho
untold finch
Can you track the apex talent envenom stacks with the blizz CD manager? Or can a diff addon track it? I don't like the default buff icons
balmy condor
you cannot track it at all atm
untold finch
Seems weird to have these restrictions on talents and trinkets embellishments and all that. Hope they lift those restrictions soon
faint crescent
you cannot track it at all atm
Wondering if blizz thinks that you dont need think about that apex so no need track D: Probably meant to fit into rotation smoothly
balmy condor
I mean
jolly stirrup
hm, if the only players are goated, might be harder tho
Shhhh, dont cone to me with logic
faint crescent
Ah
silk bane
And people who just want big overall dps
what if i want thick thighs to suffocate me.
im the smart one
yep
wicked vector
@balmy condor most of the complaints were that so much of the damage is in bleeds and technically depending on target count it is apparently advantageous to spam builders to spread bleeds instead of using combo points so it's mostly playstyle annoyed that dropped it into dogshit tier, but I am a bit behind on rogue stuff
though prio damage going away was also a big complaint
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> most of the complaints were that so much of the damage is ...
I responded to most of the stuff here
wicked vector
Oh I believe you I just read you didn't watch it so I was saying what it said 😄
balmy condor
yeh
I mean honestly I'm not even that upset about the complaints, the complaints are fine, even if they are insanely doomer to me
but putting sub in like b or c or whatever tier
wicked vector
Glad to go watch and get your opinion though, i've been gone from the game for a LONG time so i'm just returning and playing rogue no matter what
balmy condor
when it has the same issues if not worse
and then assa just being relegated to worst tier gutter spec garbage
that's weird
balmy condor
yeh I mean both specs will be fine
wicked vector
Yup, I just want a strong raid spec for ST and i'm mega happy
doesn't have to top
just an option for the pure ST fights
faint crescent
Hearing/watching some of these ppl complaints gives feel like whole rogue is unplayable class
😄
Bit too much dooming
wicked vector
I hope everyone MEGA dooms and we get buffs
DOOM MORE
but yeah LOl
it's not that bad
bronze pike
what if i want thick thighs to suffocate me.
Me rn
obsidian oracle
Is Shindig the false prophet?
foggy moat
So, being late to the party, how did assa lose the prio dmg?
balmy condor
it really didn't
but early in s3, there was a change to caustic that made it stop interacting with singular focus
and with caustic being like 30% of our aoe at the time, that kinda sucked
but caustic is like 8-10% of our damage now
and the other stuff does work with singular focus
and envenoms hit pretty hard compared to before, where we played a bleed build, which doesn't exist anymore
so boss damage is higher, prio damage is technically "higher" or at least comparable
foggy moat
Aha, i do recall early m+ where like 5 targets on boss made assa like 2x ST of everyone else, thats dead now then?
balmy condor
that's still kind of a thing
not that insane obv
but functionally all the pieces of that puzzle still exist
foggy moat
I see, thanks.
balmy condor
np
real pike
Do we still have funnel on deathstalker and do we still play deathstalker in aoe?
I've not been paying attention to anything wow since we did break until Midnight hehe
balmy condor
yes and yes
balmy condor
no
radiant aspen
okay jk i mean its same as ww we just spread dots with tempest right
balmy condor
idk how ww works but yes
radiant aspen
war within
balmy condor
there are niche situations (first pull algethar) where you can spam CT instead of envenom (losing prio damage) and gaining a sizeable amount of overall damage (entirely pad on the lashers btw)
balmy condor
war within
ah, people usually say tww so I got confused
radiant aspen
MB
balmy condor
all good
radiant aspen
ah, people usually say tww so I got confused
ok fallow me for min
balmy condor
uh huh....
radiant aspen
out of steahtl garote 5cp rupture tempest then fan of knifes as builder and envenom right and mark bane on cd and then 1 ban bettwen mark
i know this is simpplifed and there are some minmaxes
but this is it right ?
balmy condor
if you're in like 4-5+ aoe, cut out the pooling part at the end
but yes
bleeds, cds, spread, envenom
if you need cp, you either CT to spread
or you fok if you don't need to spread
radiant aspen
okay
thanks alot
waiting for ur indept rotation guide on release for special people like
me
❤️
radiant aspen
all good take care
jolly stirrup
yes and yes
Wait we play DS again? Or is FB still okay/a little behind
balmy condor
yes
radiant aspen
honestly hope for buffs on releasae
sharp mango
Is there any situation in which we would be using shiv in ST ?
fickle tiger
Is there any situation in which we would be using shiv in ST ?
y, if your target is enrage or if u need hard snare in 1 target :>
sharp mango
aside from the target being in enrage obviously :D Just thinking that 10 energy for 1/2 cp doesnt sound too bad no ?
hollow dirge
aside from the target being in enrage obviously :D Just thinking that 10 energy ...
if you disregard the dmg difference, yeah 😄
balmy condor
yeah sounds great until you realize that shiv does legit the same damage as an auto attack
but for generating half the combo points of a mutilate and doing a fifth of the damage, it does cost 40 energy less
sharp mango
i was just imagining sitting on 4cp and thinking : Shiv gets me to 5-6 and mut gets me to 5-8 for a fifth of the energy so it didnt seem too bad to me xD
balmy condor
yeh, that is a thing, but is very minor, and it applies to getting from 6cp to 7cp for darkest night
not just willy nilly on every finisher
most people don't bother with it
sharp mango
super minor gain we just ignore then ?
hollow dirge
yeh, that is a thing, but is very minor, and it applies to getting from 6cp to 7...
what's darkest night? 😄
sharp mango
and i also didnt think of DS cause fuck DS :D
balmy condor
super minor gain we just ignore then ?
it's like 0.4% in st
main olive
what's darkest night? 😄
balmy condor
if you're riled up and ready to be a sweaty degenerate
sharp mango
dope ty :D
main olive
what's darkest night? 😄
Or its rage bait dunno kek