assassination

[balmy condor]

I N S A N E

You’ve never seen difficulty this insane

Gar -> rup -> cds

Mut -> mut -> env
Or
Ct x253 -> maybe envenom

I can’t fathom pressing more than 2 buttons

[fresh kelp]

you just wouldnt get it whospar...

[fallow canopy]

I think I need to see who this Petko guy is

For science

[calm grail]

I'm a little late to the conversation. I remember someone asking you the other day is using CT was better than envenom at a certain point. Is this about the Sims you said you'd run to check it?

[balmy condor]

Correct!

[balmy condor]

Yes

[calm grail]

What was the verdict? At what point is using your finisher a dumb move

Whenever something isn't bleeding?

[balmy condor]

If you can bleed things, you bleed things

[calm grail]

Can't wait for a 30 mob pull where I'm just assuming there's not enough bleeds out.

I'll just count my CTs

[balmy condor]

Slam it a couple extra times what’s the harm

Does nearly 70% of an envenom at that target count anyway

Not like you’re losing out on much

[fallow canopy]

Is it still soft capped at 8 despite the tooltip saying 5 btw?

[calm grail]

If I break stealth and I'm at 4cps, I still mutilate again before I can rupture right? Always 5cps? Even in AoE?

[balmy condor]

Ofc

[balmy condor]

Yes

I mean obviously don’t mutilate in aoe

But yes you would generate

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[spice surge]

Does thrown precision always apply non-lethals too?

[fallow canopy]

Apparently a rework is not enough to put accurate shit on tooltip

[spice surge]

Or wait maybe secondary doesnt work with fok

[balmy condor]

Doesn’t work with fok

It’s a very strange talent

I thought it wasn’t doing the instant damage on deadly at first

And then eventually realized it was just proccing from crippling

[spice surge]

Tbf it doesnt specifify that its only lethal, but it obviously should be

[balmy condor]

Yeah I mean in hindsight reading the tooltip after knowing it

It’s like well yeah that’s what it says

But it’s so giga weird

[jolly stirrup]

Excuse me wat

[spice surge]

Pressing envenom at 5+ combo points = Insane difficulty
Tracking your sht stacks to make sure you only strike at 7 cp with 5+ stacks = Easy Mode

[balmy condor]

Imagine that this graph is easiest to hardest, petko’s tier list is the red box and just saying it’s insane difficulty

Because fuck it why not I guess

[jolly stirrup]

Even with the comment, I mean no disrespect, I love my class and spec, but I played wow for like 4 months and was rank 4 on frac. Our spec is piss easy

[orchid moth]

It's hard to play because it's looking trash 😄

[balmy condor]

It’s looking good

[jolly stirrup]

I see

[balmy condor]

is this another prepatch Patrick

Going hurrdurr look logs

No dps in prepatch

[orchid moth]

https://tenor.com/view/suck-it-suck-my-fat-one-blow-me-middle-finger-flip-off-gif-7931305364805268801

[fresh kelp]

you see eleem, most wow players just press buttons without thinking leading to gray parses, petko's list is about playing the spec at a high level (going the entire key without activating ds as sub because you just spammed storm/bp for the entire dungeon)

[balmy condor]

Read like a fucking book

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-derek-stranger-things-stranger-things-5-season-5-derek-gif-17756072945760990812

[spice surge]

Smh my head secondary poisoning doesnt work with poisoned knife

Spec is unplayable fr fr

[balmy condor]

Honestly forgot that ability existed still

[fallow canopy]

Blizzard finding ways to stop us from using the goat 🥀

[balmy condor]

Every expac I swear it got pruned alongside tricks

[onyx scroll]

can we get the best poisoned knife build?

[strange tundra]

im playing ffxiv until midnight and theres fkn 30 min guides theres no tldr

[orchid moth]

I mean you write the guides abarely get past 3k rio

[balmy condor]

TLDR press buttons don’t stand in shit

[strange tundra]

bro its so hard to remember 30 mins of guide

theres 4 end game bosses im at the 2nd

[balmy condor]

damn gottem

[orchid moth]

🙂

[balmy condor]

But yeah prepatch is legit irrelevant

[jolly stirrup]

You doing another guide when live live hits? Or just updating the written one

[balmy condor]

You do 30 min of beta and realize prepatch makes absolutely no god damn sense

But for some reason blizzard was like yeah sure let’s tune beta

[strange tundra]

its rog good for m+ havent played since tww 2nd season

[balmy condor]

And then just copy paste all that tuning onto prepatch

With classes that are -10 levels

[jolly stirrup]

Better than before

Assa at least

For me

[wanton spear]

this entire pre patch made no sense, to last nearly as long as it has

[balmy condor]

Both

[strange tundra]

is rogue meta or nah

[jolly stirrup]

Nah

I dont think so

[strange tundra]

i remember dk was meta but i was pumping same dps

[jolly stirrup]

Whispyr correct me if I am wrong

[balmy condor]

You don’t like sitting on a floating rock and sprinting to a rare every 5 min for 2 months?

What’s wrong with you that’s peak world of warcraft

[onyx scroll]

We need dirt to dig at least

[balmy condor]

Gotta log in to collect twigs in my neighborhood man

[wanton spear]

I don't like it so much i didn't do it, pre patch was so bad, I played league for a month, thats how bad it was to me.

[onyx scroll]

the jump puzzles were kind of legit in the neighborhood at least?

[balmy condor]

Slap a fence a couple times or whatever

[strange tundra]

be carefule they dont steal ur account

[bitter crow]

don't be mean, you can now go collect 1000 of each lumber-shit-thing so you can "DRUMROLL" have flying to collect MORE lumber

win

[balmy condor]

Can proudly say I have never collected lumber, don’t know how to, or why I would want to

[wanton spear]

I messed around with housing but when i found out i had to pay for each individual peice, went nope not wasting my consumable money on some b/s windows

[balmy condor]

Wake me up when the outdoor budget is bigger than 3 rocks and a fence

[stiff fern]

Mounted lumber collecting is pretty sick idk, good for those who enjoy crafting

[onyx scroll]

I don't care if they want you to pay for each placement, but don't make me go back and buy each item from a vendor

make it just cost gold to place or something once I aquire it

[bitter crow]

but lumber is soulbound no?

[strange tundra]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lumberjack-timber-1

[bitter crow]

so after collecting 1000 of each or whatever, why TF would you wanna collect MORE?

[stiff fern]

Lumber is but decor isn't

Lotta gold in them trees

[wanton spear]

oh i like this window design, "thats nice now do this 4 hour quest chain to unlock it, and you only get one per week on a random rotating schedule, Thats definantly what the players want"

[onyx scroll]

That killed it for me

I suck at planning stuff out

[balmy condor]

Remove valorstones, add gold cost in its place

Me blozzard

Me smart

[onyx scroll]

#bringbackvalorstones

god they are so bad

[balmy condor]

Change crests for some reason

Now you can be excited to craft gear because it says 40 crests

Yippie

[red schooner]

I think removing valorstones possibly broke something and the system needs a second currency in there to function. That's my theory anyhow.

[balmy condor]

It definitely didn’t do that

[red schooner]

Or at least some way of figuring out why they put gold in there

[bitter crow]

I'm still trying to figure out how they broke the warbank

[balmy condor]

They put gold in there because they don’t fucking know what to do with gear anymore

[red schooner]

I was just trying to think of some reasonable explanation for it

[balmy condor]

I’m pretty sure they considered finally changing the stupid ass 4 secondary system

But in doing so the game would catch fire and every server would explode instantly

Imagine a world where secondaries aren’t just 4 versions of vers

[spice surge]

Yeah but we cant have stuff like cooldown reduction as stat because then there will be specific breakpoints you want to reach and then not get much more after that.....

Unlike haste which..uh...

[blazing totem]

bring back Multistrike?!

[onyx coyote]

They could always bring back reforging and make us min max secondaries even more

Do not miss that system

[static glacier]

is this that sim based on shindig's question? if so what's the context, is it dslice? x mobs

[wanton spear]

lets bring back rng legendaries that made it so you had to reroll a character if you got the wrong ones while we are at it. lol

[lethal turtle]

Man I loved that xpac

[onyx coyote]

oh you mean when the system was like HERE have the secret ring...it will help your guild (evil laughter as you get benched)

[lethal turtle]

First leggy getting Anger ring on Havoc

[balmy condor]

15

[static glacier]

bro it's so fucking over if envenom doesn't beat 2 ruptures at 15 mobs

jfc

[onyx coyote]

i was lucky and got the shoulders first shot was insane that your entire raid damage profile was who got lucky iwth legendaries

[spice surge]

Lowkey they should bring back some form of grind, people love all the rep shit in BC as an example. And when theres nothing you need to grind for everybody just fotm rerolls, which means blizzard doesnt want to nerf stuff because everybody rerolled already

[wanton spear]

they need to make it so if your grind you get something useful, not bullshit for alts

[ivory latch]

I gave up on building my fence halfway through because of this 😭

[balmy condor]

Ct itself is doing half an envenoms worth of damage

Before any poisons

Or the bleeds

[static glacier]

I do remember it hitting quite hard ye

im predicting them to dial back the spatter changes

[balmy condor]

Blizzard just forgot how numbers work, all good though

[static glacier]

how're poison bomb stocks looking this time round?

[balmy condor]

It’s a talent you take

[static glacier]

and env still loses on aoe kekw

[subtle tundra]

babe wake up, fok spam is back

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s not a good talent

It’s just a talent

It’s fine

[static glacier]

I don't think it's been powerful for a while

last time I remember it actually putting out numbers was raszageth adds

the 2nd intermission

[balmy condor]

Was better with 40% caustic

[spice surge]

Very strange that it worked with caustic to begin with

As it was already aoe

[static glacier]

ngl the venemous wounds change created this issue

[balmy condor]

Would’ve been more strange if a poison didn’t spatter tho ya know

[static glacier]

if you decouple energy from extra targets the aoe damage has to be made up somewhere, and it looks like bleed / ct dmg is where the power showed up

[spice surge]

Ye

[blazing totem]

I remember back then when it still procs on Rupture

[balmy condor]

Really wasn’t, blizzard just pulled the wrong lever for some fucking reason

[solar wyvern]

Thats it 250% to fok

Thatll fix it

[balmy condor]

Energy is basically where it’s always been

[solar wyvern]

🙂

[balmy condor]

But they decided ct needs to hit like a truck for no reason

And then also decided to destroy caustic

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/pull-the-lever-kronk-yzma-kronk-emperor's-new-groove-gif-5609760792608271798

[balmy condor]

Any of those individually is fine

But they actually just tuned themselves into problems

Unprompted

Had they left it and just aura buffed we wouldn’t be here

[solar wyvern]

If they dont intend on returnung caustic to its glory. Is the solution simply reduce energy on CT and reduce damage? It kinda needa decent dam if its so expensive.

[balmy condor]

Clearly it doesn’t need it since we’re just skipping envenom

[subtle tundra]

this isnt really what i meant when i said i want bleed build

[solar wyvern]

Yeah in insane mass aoe, but clearly 5 target is a struggle

[subtle tundra]

meow..

[balmy condor]

The solution should’ve been nerf damage on ct, buff fok and env/rupture simultaneously

[red schooner]

...I've missed things. We just... Not envenoming in AoE now?

[solar wyvern]

Whats the cutoff for this? 8-9 target?

Like where its better to not envenom

[subtle tundra]

i never did. i only do ethical bleed dmg

[balmy condor]

Yeah you can do it on lower but it’s just what you were doing before so it’s not different right

[lethal turtle]

FOK still bootyhole even with the 25% buff and our 4set in Midnight?

[balmy condor]

Fok is good

[spice surge]

Prio loss though, why bother spreading rupture to pissers instead of envenoming the big guy

[static glacier]

maybe it's just noise by the apex not working back when I tested it, idk it's wierd - energy feels notably higher when compared to non IC situations (think stuff like first boss algethar spawning mobs) but other than that we were strictly gcd capped before. st feels better imo. I imagine actual numbers can confirm or deny what i've observed

[solar wyvern]

I mean yeah but my point was moreso, in 5 target its so expensive so the damage was justified. In mass aoe with extra dashing procs and stuff clearly the numbers just get out of wack

But ye, ez fix is lower damage buff fok to compensate ig

[balmy condor]

You’re not pressing it more than twice in 5t why would it need to do damage

[static glacier]

my one guess about this is that barely anything buffs CT so they made it inherently powerful, compared to say FoK and its multiple big modifiers

[balmy condor]

Yeh idk

Maybe

But whoever is doing the napkin math back there ain’t doing their job

[solar wyvern]

Cause youre spending a ton of globals ramping so theyd want those globals to at least do damage is i imagine the design thought process

Not saying i agree with it

[balmy condor]

But… it’s 2 globals

[solar wyvern]

Its 2 globals that eat like half ur energy ye

And dont even guarantee fill your cp

[balmy condor]

But then you’re fine

You fok

[static glacier]

the issue is the bleed spreading makes the damage per energy of CT monsterous

[subtle tundra]

meow!

[solar wyvern]

Idk it just "feels bad" i dont know how else to explain it

Less if u have DM up but ive had pulls where i literally garrote garrote fok rupture ct ct. And then im ooe already

If no tea u cri

[subtle tundra]

yeah but fok is 35 energy you should get that quite quickly right?

and so is envenom, you might be at low energy all the time but its not like you cant use stuff

but idk

i havent played

[runic hinge]

you played me

[subtle tundra]

meow

[solar wyvern]

Its just if u dont crit much on ur first 2 foks, youre kinda starved since you havent envenomed yet so your poison application chance is actually quite low and sometimes deadly isnt even on one of your targets and then youre waiting for energy again. Like its not common but it can happen.

Maybe i just dont like empty globals in aoe makes me feel yucky

Like its fine at the end of the day, the damage will be fine once its tuned correctly

[static glacier]

remember sbs

[solar wyvern]

Imisssbs

[static glacier]

that shit carried opener so hard

[solar wyvern]

Ye i started playing haste just to not have as mant empty globals lmfao

I dont think its very good tho

[static glacier]

I think we're just gonna have to get used to it, idk why but I kinda miss master assassin

[subtle tundra]

stealth effects 🤮

yeah bro i love begging for a restealth

yessssssss

please my team be slower for me ;3;3;3;3;3;3 pleaseeeeeee

[solar wyvern]

Could be worse,they coulda made it so every 5th poisoned knife gives u MA

For funsies

We need poisoned knife gaming ima say it

[fallow canopy]

Last titan new talent leaked

[solar wyvern]

!!!!!🚨

[static glacier]

the stealth aspect was dogshit

but that amount of free crit

[subtle tundra]

"free"

bruh

[ivory latch]

Just open trade with tank before dungeon to bribe for restealths 😏

[frosty cedar]

you know what I'm gonna say it. Spamming CT to spread bleeds being optimal in aoe over envenom spam sounds fine. Am I cooked? Maybe they should add a way for it to eat combo points

[spice spire]

Ty kitten

[runic hinge]

that was mine

[severe meadow]

@balmy condor

I’m getting clowned on

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-discord-discord-mod-gloobaglarb-mods-kill-him-gif-10550583729427564864

[spice spire]

They’re right

[spice surge]

The tempest must crimson

Thats just how it goes

[shy axle]

is it really worth to just ct over fok all the time or is it just a meme ?

can not tell anymore

[spice surge]

To spread bleeds yes

otherwise no

[shy axle]

so just like the guide says until every target living long enough has bleeds up? nothing new?

[spice surge]

That is not what the guide says

[severe meadow]

It’s like 20% better to ct spam

Over 8 targets I believe

[spice surge]

Again, you dont spam

You CT until everything has bleeds on them

Before you envenom

[shy axle]

i thought thats just ct until 5 -> finisher -> not every target has it? ct and so on

[spice surge]

Yes, and that is different than what i just said

[shy axle]

Can not follow you right now, what do you mean

i did not saw your replay above, nvm

finishing at 5 was implied from me

[marsh fjord]

yeah you are cooked

[humble verge]

[real pike]

@spice surge you say this is not what the guide says

[real pike]

But is this not the same thing?

[shy axle]

i guess he understood it that i want to spam ct even if i have full cp, which you will not do

[real pike]

I think that is exactly what you do

[real pike]

At least this seems to imply it

[shy axle]

true, i misread that too

[spice surge]

Guide says CT until 5 combo points > envenom

I said CT until everything has bleeds on them

[humble verge]

is CT still bugged?

[calm grail]

Even if this would take you over CP cap you just do it until you have full coverage?

[spice surge]

yes

[wanton spear]

odd question, is there anywhere like fuu's sim sheet that shows the dps of all classes>? like to compare where we sit?

[spice surge]

No, and if there is i wouldnt trust it

[wanton spear]

all 3 of our specs are pretty close, but i just wanna guage where the other classes are at dps wise currently.

[spice spire]

We’re 2 weeks away from a new xpac it does not matter - even for the xpac as tuning will happen often until 2 weeks after raid likely so nothing matters atm just play whatever

[wanton spear]

idk why i thought the sim sheet was for beta and not pre patch lol

[glass viper]

Well if ur talking prepatch then Rogue is wayyyyy behind

[rough haven]

anyone else having energy regeneration issues?

[severe meadow]

Intended

[rough haven]

im constantly starving for it, ... and if im below 30 energy it drinks tea for me automatically?

[earnest remnant]

it indeed does that

[rough haven]

why would they not allow us to control that?

ffs

[earnest remnant]

doesnt really matter as it only gives energy

[rough haven]

pooling for burst

[earnest remnant]

and during cooldowns you dont run out of energy ever

would say it was more "annoying" when it still gave mastery

but tbf im not entirely up to date with Assa in terms of pooling rules anymore

[spice surge]

You do not need to play around tea in any capacity

[jovial idol]

You can go to all class discords, collect the data and do the sheet yourself. Be part of the solution, not the problem

[lean plover]

do the seet? you mean become part of the problem then

[ashen field]

does anyone play rouge on tbc im new to wow and could do with some tips i just hit 70

[lean plover]

hey, this chat is for retail rogue. You can ask in #classic-discussion

im pretty sure theres a rogue classic discord

[ashen field]

okay thanks m an

[rough haven]

just saying giving us the option to use it when we choose, and to not have it automatically trigger would be better playstyle

[ashen field]

do you know what iy is can you link it to me please

[spice surge]

Yeah but blizzard doesnt think so

[lean plover]

i think its https://discord.gg/6RxQ3SyN

[radiant aspen]

is assa best st rn ?

[shy axle]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[waxen oyster]

You can just watch your energy

Though during cds energy is like not an issue

[little flower]

I'm new to assa, why is energy not an issue during CDs? Does DM give energy somehow?

[waxen oyster]

Pressing an extra mutilate outside of cds really isnt gamebreaking

[spice surge]

It does, check the tooltip of it

[little flower]

Ah shiet, I thought it still duplicates bleeds and stuff. I gotta reread everything

Thank you

[waxen oyster]

that was to compensate losing the full dupe wasnt it

[fallow canopy]

probably

[waxen oyster]

I just hit buttons

[fallow canopy]

same

[frank trench]

My name is button do you hit me

[balmy condor]

Yes

[severe meadow]

[exotic hearth]

Playstyle in Midnight will basically be the same as TWW, right? If so I'll level as sub to start learning it

[normal mist]

Yeah basically

[west gyro]

our time to shine

[humble verge]

is he streaming rn or is thsi a video

[west gyro]

live

[humble verge]

wtf

a friend of mine is named

cosgo or cosgho

but its not him

🤨

[west gyro]

sus

[humble verge]

i mean

hes a shaman player

so i dont think it'd be him

hes offline as well on bnet

[hallow glade]

w zorthas sandbag

[west gyro]

its perfect

just let it happen

[hallow glade]

he put us second last in his thumbnail and now he is getting slapped by brew, next week roingus getting juiced

[solar wyvern]

Mm cant wait to see that log

[hallow glade]

tomato speaks blizzards listens

[spice surge]

The tomato is very wise, must not be mean to him

(just don't look at his house/room tour videos)

[solar wyvern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1cL8FV7JpjzxGtqZ?fight=13&type=damage-done

The holy 3rogue key

[hallow glade]

are we double digit gamers in midnight 💀

what no raid buffs does to a mf

[solar wyvern]

I think

[marsh fjord]

The holy trinity

[solar wyvern]

They may just be not playing optimally in a low overall key

Just a hunch

[spice surge]

You mean the first key tomato does on the spec without reading anything online wasn't played pixel perfect?

Unbelievable

[severe meadow]

Clicking on the other dungeon clears was a crazy whiplash

[hallow glade]

i clicked on

this one

and i thought "man its so stupid that mage and warlock are playing with brew"

but its not brew

[severe meadow]

Hey but this one is

[hallow glade]

they need to inject rogue with some hopium on the next tuning pass ngl

[severe meadow]

[hallow glade]

something man idk

remove skyfury and we are back

delete shaman honestly

and we are back

and death knight

we might get played

[severe meadow]

I mean surely all 3 of the rogues played really bad

[hallow glade]

no its

you lose insane damage without giga buffs its not even funny

on every spec

im sure they didnt play stellar but

[balmy condor]

tomato is very wise

(don't check the math on his defensive video)

[hallow glade]

He didn’t make mention of sub mogging assa and outlaw defensively either

[spice surge]

Wise and smart are not the same

[hallow glade]

Having two extra defensive nodes

[spice surge]

The takeaway from that video is that DK is OP and should get nerfed, everything else is tertiary

[balmy condor]

yeah

if you count will of the necropolis or whatever

as a passive defense

and then also add the numbers up additively sometimes

[spice surge]

I mean you probably should though?

If youre looking at oneshots you would include it, similar to how you would include stamina

[balmy condor]

yeh

I just don't know how

he got to 37%

cause even with 4 riders active, which they aren't

the math maxes out at like

34%

or something

the math just

doesn't make sense

[jade igloo]

My dad said he would be proud of me if I mained assa, should I make him proud?

[hallow glade]

What does your mother want you to main

[jade igloo]

Daddy @balmy condor hasn't remarried yet

[hallow glade]

Should prop main assa so he doesn’t beat you for being naughty

[jade igloo]

[static glacier]

Not seen it yet but Aintnoway people stopped taking the free ams

[haughty flicker]

eat the rich

dks should have their defensives taxed

[violet island]

I live to serve

[fleet whale]

eh, i don't mind dks being really tanky.
I think themetically it makes sense, plus the fact that they are turtles in terms of mobility

[spice surge]

Theyre not really anymore though

[haughty flicker]

rider kinda zooms

im ngl

plus unholy is a ranged spec

[spice surge]

Rider is what, 45s 2 charges sprint thats also knockback+slow immunity

[haughty flicker]

(note that im not actually serious that dk needs defensives nerfed)

[fleet whale]

Well then nerf unholy's ranged capabilities and I guess their mobility
I don't think DK's defensive capabilities should be the thing that gets nerfed though

[spice surge]

Very immobile

[haughty flicker]

but yeah they definitely arent super slow atm

[fleet whale]

ah ok

[haughty flicker]

plus can take wraith walk for another 70%

[waxen oyster]

Tbh i feel even just DA kind of makes bad mobility a non issue

[haughty flicker]

although i dont think you normally do anymore

[waxen oyster]

9/10 situations

what do you even need crazy mobility for

[severe meadow]

To make it into my loving arms faster

[waxen oyster]

[fresh kelp]

me when my theme is just to be op af

[spice surge]

I dont think deathstrike being OP is a problem, just like feint it has opportunity cost

But the enormous passive DR thats bigger than some classes active walls is a bit silly

[haughty flicker]

is rune of the apocalypse actually just 18% passive dr

mfw i play priest and using my gcd to cast flash of light + use fade is barely better than one random passive dk has

[balmy condor]

yeah ofc

it just sucks when you're making a good point

with shit math

cause then like

why should I trust you

can't even multiply numbers together like bruh

[haughty flicker]

[fleet whale]

A little off-topic but does anyone know why one icy veins that utility has a "purple" ranking for sub and outlaw while for assassin it's "blue," when the utility for all three specs are almost the same?

[balmy condor]

petko moment

[severe meadow]

[spice surge]

I think seli assumes the aoe blind is staying

Whereas i was writing with the assumption that it wasnt

[fleet whale]

ah ok
some of them are little funny though when looking at other classes though

[wooden timber]

https://tenor.com/view/exercise-pumped-running-wheel-roingus-gif-19827830

[fleet whale]

Ret paladin one especially is quite funny

[haughty flicker]

they're nerfing airborne irritant in pvp, i wonder if they glanced at it and realized it was aoe

[spice surge]

Who knows

Until then a 24s cd blind with blackjack is solid

[haughty flicker]

yeah its very nice

[severe sparrow]

jfc

im in a guild gally mount run and our bear tank has been doing more dps than me

and ive been like bruh what the fuck

we're in a shit spot but that bad

[haughty flicker]

[severe meadow]

it's just pre patch

who cares

[severe sparrow]

i did not realize blizzard reset talents cuz they didnt tell me

[severe meadow]

xd

[severe sparrow]

yeah i just, oof, i cant go from purple parses to under tank

might as well kms

[severe meadow]

you can still purple parse under the tank btw

[haughty flicker]

you can r1 parse under tank

[severe meadow]

@thorn thorn link it

NOW

[glass viper]

Yep....parse purple and do literally HALF dps of a DH or DK now in prepatch

[haughty flicker]

clown fiesta patch

[fleet whale]

Devo DH's may do great dps but I tried leveling as one it was painful af

[haughty flicker]

yeah i imagine that wouldnt be very fun

[fleet whale]

I died trying to solo a rarespawn... lol

[mint urchin]

The tomatoes brain is 5x that of us normal folk, that's why his head is so big, we cannot understand his ways

[thorn thorn]

?

link what

[severe meadow]

Too late, everyone asleep now

[fallow canopy]

link DN

[hazy helm]

Gotchu

[cursive owl]

hello , been a while, is assa still a burst class ?

sounds like no 😄

[balmy condor]

I mean, what's your definition of burst

[severe meadow]

More of an ooze than a burst

[balmy condor]

is this burst

[nova kelp]

A strong dribble

[cursive owl]

whispyr still alive nice

[balmy condor]

is this burst

or this

[severe meadow]

A single spurt

[balmy condor]

there's levels to it

[cursive owl]

well both seems to me burst

its not constant that is

so yeah :3

[severe meadow]

Cooldowns

[balmy condor]

the three graphs I sent are assa in midnight, assa in s3, sub in s3

in that order

[cursive owl]

hmhm

well

[balmy condor]

what did you play in s3

[cursive owl]

i thought i can play mage in midnight , but it got nerfed hard

[earnest remnant]

they might just nerf w/e you are rerolling too aswell

[cursive owl]

[balmy condor]

unless ironically it's mage, cause mage always wins

[earnest remnant]

mage or lock usually

[haughty flicker]

the frost changes arent actually nerfs btw

[earnest remnant]

always have atleast 1 spec in top 5

[balmy condor]

the last time it wasn't a mage season, dinosaurs roamed the earth and stones weren't invented yet

[haughty flicker]

main character of wow

you can expect them to get nerfed

[cursive owl]

well frost specc is for ppl who also play BM hunter

[lethal turtle]

Whats simc dps tho

[haughty flicker]

thats just midnight in general

[cursive owl]

i want at least a FUN clas not a 1 button rotation

[earnest remnant]

think the last time mage wasent a top contender in raid was like Amirdrassil

[haughty flicker]

fyrakk was a dinosaur

[balmy condor]

yeah amirdrassil was rough

[haughty flicker]

so whispyr is correct

[balmy condor]

but fire was still like

pretty strong

you know what, lets go look

I was slightly incorrect

still top 5 tho

[cursive owl]

yeah

fuck wow

[balmy condor]

sepulcher was a bad mage tier I think no?

[earnest remnant]

iirc 10.2.5 came quite fast so this is the tuning most remember from raid

[balmy condor]

bruh 3 specs in the top 4 ranged specs

ele sham
mage
mage
mage

that's crazy

[haughty flicker]

ok but only 2/3 of them were in top 10 instead of all 3

thats a bad mage tier

[balmy condor]

true actually

[earnest remnant]

sepulcher was def a 1 mage only tier

[cursive owl]

how is this even allowed

[earnest remnant]

it was just warlock playground that tier

[fierce mirage]

after stat squish, whats a good dps target on dummies? im getting about 22k

[balmy condor]

that sounds about right

[cursive owl]

wow is fked anyway

[earnest remnant]

warlock had fun that tier

[cursive owl]

i just wanna look for a burst class to have fun

[coral ibex]

[severe meadow]

Holy destro gap

[balmy condor]

They weren’t even playing the good covenant btw

That was the tier where I stepped in and fixed their venthyr sims

Because their sims deadass just didn’t use the venthyr ability

+80% dps in aoe sims overnight

[severe meadow]

[balmy condor]

Was like 15-20% ahead in dungeons compared to whatever they were playing at the time

And just no one played it cause the sims were giga shit

[severe meadow]

bro saved Warlocks and condemned everyone else

[balmy condor]

I went to warlock discord and was like hey do we know that this just… doesn’t work

And they legit went “oh yeah good fine, we don’t have a destro tc right now”

[haughty flicker]

Damn

Ive lost a lot of respect for whispyr suddenly

[severe meadow]

I was about to ask if they just didn't

have anyone working on that stuff or not

[haughty flicker]

Can't believe he helped warlocks

[fringe spear]

all my homies hate feral anyway

[haughty flicker]

This isn't my president

[fringe spear]

cuz thats totally the point

[balmy condor]

Arguably the strongest destro patch ever btw

No tc

I was floored

[severe meadow]

Yeah that is a little silly

Maybe we get the strongest Rogue tier ever if you take a break for a tier

[haughty flicker]

[fringe spear]

warlock theorycrafters get consumed by their patron every tier. no continuity

[haughty flicker]

Good point

[balmy condor]

I have taken a break for one tier and it was crucible

[fringe spear]

they cant keep anyone to save their lives

[balmy condor]

Where you didn’t even play melee

Let alone rogue

[earnest remnant]

Did you just have an obession with venthyr sims that expansion

As u also did sub in season 2

[balmy condor]

No

It’s just everywhere I looked venthyr sims were broken

Cause I fixed obedience after you and push were like nah this is crazy

Just happy coincidence that venthyr was stupid in multiple specs

[runic hinge]

No we don’t

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-run-running-run-away-gif-11523384820060869343

[hearty reef]

That frostbolt was personal

[odd hazel]

how we feeling about Sin right now boys?

[novel storm]

Guys how important is it to get first caustic up? Do we do it asap or not care about it and get it up with first env/kingsbane not worrying about it just following prios and rotation?

[balmy condor]

looking pretty good in beta

[balmy condor]

it auto-applies when you kingsbane and envenom, which is the majority of your caustic damage

[subtle tundra]

it auto-applies on kb???

damn the spec is for dumbs

[tawdry halo]

certified dumb reporting in

[odd hazel]

Sweet, either way my true love is with sin

[ivory latch]

Dumb question but do you think the s1 tier set will change any gameplay? Or will it just end up being a damage buff?

[balmy condor]

It will not

And that is by design

S1 tier set bonuses are weak and boring

[latent kernel]

crimson tempest is still giga in AOE right? compared to FOK with buff?

i missed the convo above

[balmy condor]

After the buff fok is pretty strong especially on ds

Unsure

[latent kernel]

roger roger copy

[ivory latch]

Hopefully not back to the DS mini game 😭

[balmy condor]

Fatebound will be fine

[latent kernel]

you think they buffed it so much to compete with CT?

[balmy condor]

sweaty bitchless grass allergic minmax in m+ will still be ds probably

[ivory latch]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-leslie-jordan-gif-11334450875675318506

[balmy condor]

Idk what the fuck they’re doing anymore

[severe meadow]

We obviously needed more aoe tuning

[balmy condor]

Everything was making sense until like a month ago

And then they started turning knobs that didn’t need turning

And turned certain knobs way further than they should’ve

[severe meadow]

I hope they buff caustic by another 1% and nothing else

[balmy condor]

It’s like they saw that things were close and said “you know what…. We need to pad our work metrics”

And then just added some bullshit they have to tune around even more

Legit just pointless busy work

Like the CT/fok balance

We already had it

It was exactly what they intended

[latent kernel]

to be completely honest, im surprised they didnt just nuke FOK and CT into one ability

maybe im just in the spirit of pruning, but atp it just seems like that would make the most sense

[ivory latch]

now there isn't much of a point to fok over 7-8 mobs right?

[latent kernel]

for the kind of gameplay they're going for with this pruning

[balmy condor]

And then they obliterated caustic and ct hella good kicked fatebound in the teeth

And it’s just

?????

[minor pendant]

[balmy condor]

That would legit be so fucking boring

[ivory latch]

I bet it was a Mage who did all the rogue tuning.

[minor pendant]

I just rerolled rogue for next season

[balmy condor]

What

[latent kernel]

i dont disagree, but considering how other specs are playing cough sub, i wouldnt be surprised lol

[minor pendant]

Whispyr made me question my choice

[severe meadow]

You just get bleeds on everything and then FoK

[ivory latch]

I thougth I read you saying you just ct spam over 8 mobs?

[balmy condor]

Yeh true

[ivory latch]

I probably misunderstood though.

[balmy condor]

Not really how that works no

Ct is a bleed spreader in the rotation

[ivory latch]

Is it spam till bleeds up then you can switch back to normal fok/envenom?

I thought with the higher mob counts you were saying CT hit within a decent percent of envenom

[balmy condor]

It does

If you’re needing to spread

Ct takes priority over envenom

If you don’t need to spread

It’s a dogshit button

[ivory latch]

Got it!

[balmy condor]

If you’re fok->envenom spamming

And overcapping on energy

Then maybe you hit it once or twice to burn energy off since it’s hitting harder than fok atm

And that’s about it

And apparently blizzard thinks buffing fok is the solution instead of nerfing ct and buffing envenom to compensate

But what do I know

[ivory latch]

Ah ok, I misunderstood the last bit. I appreciate you clearing that up for me.

[solar wyvern]

I hate how this is unfortunately gonna be the case for singular focus alone...

Lemme pad aoe 😠

131k dps garrote isnt it beautiful

This is how god intended us to play, fatebound only roll heads...

[severe meadow]

KB 32k

[latent kernel]

bleed build in full effect

i mean tbf with garrote being so much of our aoe, tier set is gonna go giga with the buff lol

[oblique sorrel]

Sins going to be the go to raid spec?

[severe meadow]

I’ll let you know when we start raiding

[oblique sorrel]

I know it’s pp at the moment my outlaw sims higher than my sin

Sad times

[severe meadow]

Who knows what tuning will do

Just hard to say right now

[oblique sorrel]

Yea

[severe meadow]

Blizzard be turning some random knobs right now lol

[oblique sorrel]

It’s beyond my understanding

[severe meadow]

Yeah I just let them stress @balmy condor out

[runic hinge]

sims without apex talents kinda stinky

[lethal turtle]

Do we have a ballpark for sim profiles with rogue yet or still waiting

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/clone-homer-simpson-mulitply-gif-27179917

[latent kernel]

hot take, give our kick a combo point modifier, and the amount of combo points determines silence duration

make us good in m+ again

[little tulip]

kingsbane apex talent looks ye

even if deathstalker is a lil cursed it works better on sin for what its worth

[latent kernel]

or just give us smoke bomb back in m+

i loved using that

it was so fun

[little tulip]

redirect on deathstalkers mark would be kewl

once a minute let us swap it so we can fish for kicks and cc stuff

[lethal turtle]

redirect dn

[little tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-nuoh-crying-clapping-absolute-cinema-gif-16150532964839344347

[rigid trail]

hi, whats the deal with shiv and tea now in midnight/prepatch, supposedly you dont press shiv, and leave tea auto but ive seen many logs where theyre pressed intentionally both in m+ and ST

[little tulip]

i think it flips a coin but don't really remember

or applies a stack of non lethal poison it's one of those

[rigid trail]

non lethal yes

[sacred oyster]

@balmy condor i was actually meaning to ping you about the CT thing few days before you said it but just never got around to it lol. I finally figured out the custom APL Stuff and this is what I did to test it wanted to make sure same thing you did

actions+=/call_action_list,name=core_dot

#new entry
actions+=/crimson_tempest,if=!variable.single_target&(active_dot.garrote<spell_targets.fan_of_knives|active_dot.rupture<spell_targets.fan_of_knives)

# Build combo points until 5, or max with darkest night
actions+=/call_action_list,name=generate,if=!buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points<5|buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points.deficit>0
actions+=/call_action_list,name=spend,if=!buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points>=5|buff.darkest_night.up&combo_points.deficit=0```

I saw up to 3% extra DPS on large pulls, with no negative on DS or small pulls either.

[solar wyvern]

My current cook is avulsion > apex 4

Do i want 14 stacks of kb or do i want 20% extra damage to 98k dps?

[little tulip]

is that that first big pull in algethar?

[solar wyvern]

Ye

[little tulip]

ded in 1:13

[solar wyvern]

Too bad smallies go kaboom

Mages smh

[lethal turtle]

damn sin simming 98k

[calm grail]

Does the tuning today also have us using CT until everything is bled and only then using finishers

[latent kernel]

yes

[latent kernel]

this has been true since caustic got nerfed

[shy heron]

yeah or they could just do the class a solid and replace the mechanic entirely

[little tulip]

ye storing it on enemies is definitely cursed

and very old wow

[latent kernel]

i mean using it from stealth was only like 50% of the problem

and they fixed that and said ok good enough

[onyx crane]

so are rogues still in a meh spot?

[lethal turtle]

Charrend has the midnight sim

[solar wyvern]

Nah Whispyr is the sim dude

I just log keys and draw conclusions

[onyx crane]

so what is your conclusion so far

[solar wyvern]

If u meab numbers:

Sub was probably in top 7 specs

Assa way undertuned, today may help a lot.

Outlaw is fine, probably needs like 3-4%

Gameplay: sub has optimizations but theyre rather small, i could find it very boring if it remains this way for more than a patch.

Assa is kindof enjoyable, being forced to hard stop envenoms at 80 implacable stacks is xd. The new CT spam tech is also XD. But it plays rather similarly to before.

Outlaw is fun if u didnt enjoy the perma ar crackshot playstyle, maybe still fun even if u enjoyed that style, its just slower now. Capstones need work. Deft being 50 energy feels bad

Thats just my feelings on it rn

Id say not meh, but decent and better than some other specs

[fickle coral]

hi, im looking to make a character that will be least played race/class/spec combo in midnight. would i be right in thinking that alliance earthen assassination rogue would be pretty near, if not at, the bottom of the list of 'popularity' ?

[solar wyvern]

Itd be that or sub probably ye

[lethal turtle]

You won’t see class changes now.

So if you hate sub

[fickle coral]

which is performing worse at the moment? tho obviously i get that may still change with tuning?

[solar wyvern]

Ye tuning dependant

[runic hinge]

i bet outlaw is less played

[glass viper]

In prepatch Assassination is awful

[lean plover]

yeah but thats prepatch

[glass viper]

I thought that's what he meant when he said 'at the moment'

[lean plover]

i didnt catch that mb

[lethal turtle]

It’s either rogue or WW Leveling both waiting for heroic release

[fickle coral]

well I more meant for midnight beta but eh

I dont have beta so cant check

[lean plover]

thing is theres tuning related to beta happening but its going on live rather than beta

and they will merge in release

so theres no way of knowing how things are atm

[fickle coral]

ahh. okay. so no way to know which will be worst? I very much want to play the worst class/race/spec combo

[lean plover]

no way, the recent balance tuning is not on beta

[fickle coral]

well, worst/least played, I assume that'll match

[lean plover]

and prepatch numbers are fake

so who knows

[fresh kelp]

least played and worst isn't the same

[fickle coral]

ok ill just wait

[fickle coral]

yeah I mean least played primarily

[spice surge]

Worst race is probably undead

[lean plover]

you take that back

[fickle coral]

I just assume the worst SPEC will be the least played

[lean plover]

its the worst numericaly

the best in everything else

[fickle coral]

for rogue specs

[fresh kelp]

assa is usually most popular rogue spec by a decent amount

earthen sub/outlaw is prob the move

[fickle coral]

okay ty

[lean plover]

hows the new race btw, the haradiir or whatever

[spice surge]

yeah earthern is bad too, and way less popular than undead

[spice surge]

Not horrible

They have half of dwarf/tauren racial

[fickle coral]

yeah you can never get primary stat from food and their racial damage spell I think would be awful for a rogue. It's great, I can't wait to play it.

[lean plover]

yeah, i assume they will be decent dmg wise

[spice surge]

Panda male is generational aura farming though

[lean plover]

i read someone saying the racial does quite some healing and dps

but i have seen 0 of them

[fickle coral]

yeah but its channeled

so like... Id think itd be a dps loss

unless for some reason you're stuck at range for a mechanic I guess?

[lean plover]

haranir or earthen one?

[fickle coral]

earthen, azerite whatever beam

[lean plover]

ah yeah

i dont like these empowered spells

[fickle coral]

i havent looked at haranir at all, since i was too cheap to pay for beta

[low sundial]

New to rogue and is assassination relatively easy to play?

[lean plover]

yep

[faint crescent]

I think outlaw is the most "complicated" atm. Sub also really easy

Especially if you macro things together

[low sundial]

Thanks for your answers, I’ve always wanted to play rogue but couldn’t be arsed learning it so picking it up now since it seems easier

[buoyant herald]

Assass is probably the most forgiving as well, and plays really nice. Good class fantasy. Good recommended entry point to rogue I think

[faint crescent]

I really like survi hunter playstyle but fucking god that shotgun ability, boomstick, why 😄

[latent kernel]

you could play sub rogue with your toes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/rinnbebe-harrys-toes-cat-toes-toe-beans-good-morning-gif-26355867

[uneven plume]

"assa buffs" live rn?

[lethal turtle]

Should be

Someone needs to check if everything hit tho. A lot of buffs nerfs were not implemented as stated in blue post

[latent kernel]

bleed build p2

[latent kernel]

more a meme, but it did more dmg than i was expecting tbh

[buoyant herald]

How’s the boss dam tho

Bleak?

[humble verge]

guildie confirmed

its finally happening

[lean plover]

wait

we are finaly free????

[solar wyvern]

Ngl with how bleeds.are tuned rn

Every build is a bleed build

[haughty flicker]

yes rogue is delet

we free

[fallow canopy]

finally

[lethal turtle]

i want to be deleted from the game

[flint comet]

bro im reading other discords, and its BAD

MW got nerfs intended for WW

[lethal turtle]

ww fof SP perk was only 50% and not 60

[flint comet]

WW go completly different numbes of what was announced

[lethal turtle]

let me main WW

PLZ

[flint comet]

UH dk pet is not using its main ability

[flint comet]

and xuen damage was NOT nerfed

and it was supposed to

[balmy condor]

Similar idea but I don’t like putting button presses into the base list generally, the base list serves to call other lists, so I just wrote the logic directly into the list call. Curiously I was seeing way more than 3% though

[sacred oyster]

yeah i thought about it should have j ust appended it to core_dots. what settings did you see more than 3% on? Im not 170 though and im not sure if you are doing beta vs prepatch, im just on prepatch, but I did like Hectic Cleave 3 Bosses which I felt was reasonably closer to a large pull

the sims i had default: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p6B6E9Ro9TNEQTuEQxD9CF
ct focus: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cmGbHswVaU4fDjB8vuowPL

shorter fights had bigger gains

i think i saw biggest on the 1min duration which is prob closer anyways

[balmy condor]

Oh Jesus 5 target hectic add cleave

That is… yeah that’s a sim

Makes sense

[thick ember]

any way of having the build ? For a friend :d

[latent kernel]

Abysmal

[sacred oyster]

DS imbalances the question since CT Focus is irrelevant on ST bosses. i dont see a better option for larger pulls besides a patchwork fixed target to also throw in some movement too

[balmy condor]

I can send you the sim I did in a bit

[sacred oyster]

i did some with 3 target too thats just one i found a link for

[balmy condor]

I mean yes, you would want to do patchwerk aoe

[sacred oyster]

i did all kinds of settings to see if any was a net negative and none were

[balmy condor]

Movement isn’t really relevant for 99% of tc work on melee specs

Movement in sims just adds a break where you stop casting and autoing

Doesn’t really do much other than lower your number

[glass viper]

So Ass is abysmal boss damage in both prepatch AND beta? Not looking good boys -_-

[latent kernel]

No I was just messing around with a meme build, our ST in pre-patch is pretty solid rn

[balmy condor]

It’s good in beta

[latent kernel]

Idk about beta

[glass viper]

Solid in prepatch? I'm getting out dps by 30k by both DH/DK on a 99 parse xD

[hazy helm]

If you’re in an m+ build it’s not the best. ST is fine. Good even.

[glass viper]

oh we're talking about strictly m+, mb

[hazy helm]

Pre patch is meme patch

Who cares basically

Pre patch in a nutshell

[buoyant herald]

I’ve been so surprised by how many people are unaware that prepatch has had literally zero tuning

And are trying to draw conclusions

But I guess I’m just chronically in discord so

[latent kernel]

A couple of my guildies have switched mains several times already based on pre-patch lmao

“Unholy DK really resonates with me” as it’s overtuned by 30%

[buoyant herald]

Hahahaha

Love it

[latent kernel]

“Affliction lock is what I always used to play, it feels good!!!”

[hazy helm]

It’s fun to do big numbers. But……at level 90…..I have some bad news for them regarding DKs. Are they sitting down?

[latent kernel]

Simultaneously probably have had a ton of people switch away from devourer not realizing how much their apex talent affects the gameplay lol

[hazy helm]

Opposite tbh. They’re basically #1 in all pre patch content

[balmy condor]

The “I really love the spec” crowd when they can’t admit that they just like big number

[hazy helm]

Also DKs were murdered this morning during patch. DoA, unholy at least.

[buoyant herald]

[sacred oyster]

i feel like im always drawn to the underdog lol

[buoyant herald]

The best place to be is on a spec that’s slightly undertuned but fun as f to play

In prepatch / before heroic week

At least

[hazy helm]

Just have fun during pre patch it’s what it’s for imo. If you’re wanting to get that sweaty you should be on beta not pre patch. Pretty sure it’s open beta at this point no?

[stiff fern]

unholy is still fine, idk where that conclusion is coming from

[buoyant herald]

I think the point is that if it’s more in line with other specs numerically then all of a sudden a bunch of folks might miraculously no longer vibe with it as much

[lethal turtle]

just dont play pre patch

as soon as prepatch hits i tlel my guild im not playing

grind league for 6 weeks

[weary stump]

Prepatch really is just the time to vibe in another game and catch up on single player backlog

[hazy helm]

If you’re talking about pre patch, sure uh is alive and kicking. If you’re talking about beta after today’s nerfs, I’d like to have some of whatever drugs you’re on. They got heartily “balanced” with today’s patch

[spice surge]

Ye just like everybody else

[stiff fern]

can just play magus again, and yeah, everyone else did too

[hazy helm]

K

[mint urchin]

Multiple specs got hit with like 15% ish level nerf not just unholy

[hazy helm]

Context is super irrelevant I heard.

Yes. Multiple classes got hit with balance.

[slim pebble]

Yo I heard we’re tagging @spice surge

[lean plover]

There was no beta changes, the tuning was only deployed on retail

[latent kernel]

As soon as pre-patch dropped they should’ve just made myth gear available at vendors, I mean literally nothing matters, easy to gear alts, fun to mess around with

Or rather just make the event drop myth gear

Would be fun

[lean plover]

Nah, better to go fetch a rare every 5 min and sit in a rock while waiting

Not a good prepatch

I enjoyed tww prepatch a lot more and it wasnt that good either

[gleaming geyser]

yea - D2R ladder reset Friday

[latent kernel]

Overwatch hype

[solid loom]

Hey, everyone. I'm quite the newb when it comes to assassin/energy. Should I be pooling my energy so that I'm not activating thistle tea, or does it not really matter?

I assume thistle tea is good for burst windows so that when I pop kingbane I'm not starving for energy.

[spice surge]

It does not really matter

The absolute vast majority of your KB poison applications come from auto attacks anyway

[solid loom]

Oo okay. Tyvm! Looking to start raiding in Midnight and didn't wanna look foolish in front of my guild lol

[sacred oyster]

i just stop spamming actions if kb is about to come up to let energy get maxed out, but outside of that just let it rip

[coral ibex]

just stay tuned to the pins in this channel as the expansion drops

[solid loom]

I appreciate it 😄

[hoary scroll]

Is it worth to track fatebound coin buffs? It wont change anything in my rotation or?

[balmy condor]

It doesn’t do anything

[royal lantern]

you can get annoyed if you constantly see chains breaking at 2 i gues

making your own mental worse

[humble verge]

thats me on my chinese account, i forgot

[graceful bane]

ya only use shiv with toxic stiletto to get to 7 combo points when at 6 on deathstalker right no benefits for fatebound?

[vestal pike]

Hello - wowhead says to use finishers at 5+ combo points, is it ideal we use Rupture/Envenom at 7 combo points or is using at 5 okay?

[solar wyvern]

5+

If u land on 5 send

If u land on 6 or 7, send

[vestal pike]

Thank you

[lime onyx]

You think rogues are going to get another tuning round before end of heroic week?

[severe meadow]

Blizzard is doing random ass tuning so probably

[fallow canopy]

must resist temptation

[minor finch]

https://tenor.com/view/south-park-67-67-south-park-67-south-park-6-7-gif-13284396363591354590

[lethal turtle]

What is this CT tech

Been playing WW past week

[haughty flicker]

im so sorry

[lethal turtle]

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/symboli-rudolf-67-meme-uma-musume-umamusume-gif-8354787702994742859

[lethal turtle]

Charrend explain

[solar wyvern]

you garrote garrote get 5+ cp rupture

then u deathmark

then u kingsbane

then

ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct ct

!!!

[tight ginkgo]

we built this ct

[solar wyvern]

we built this ct on en-ven-om's-corpse

[hallow glade]

roughly how many times am i supposed to ct

ballpark number?

[solar wyvern]

Till theyre bleeding like its a heavy day

[hallow glade]

like around six times?

[solar wyvern]

maybe seven

anyway

isnt it beautiful

CT 40% of spatter

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[flint tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-pepe-the-frog-sad-crying-gif-16026853

[solar wyvern]

the no apex 4 cook is dead i think

Avulsion gained me 9.4m total damage for 1 talent point

but at the cost of ST dam and probably like 5mil kb damage

but i also played ds instead of fatebound that key so hmmge

[wet river]

is ds looking to be main hero for midnight?

[solar wyvern]

also not sure how to feel about thsi trinkey

maybe its just pbox or feather

[solar wyvern]

ds is probably better for key speed but fatebound is better overall

[waxen oyster]

tldr if you want to pad and post details screenshots like #outlaw players play fatebound

[spice surge]

This trinket gives 535 stats on a 2 min cd. Puzzlebox is 789 at the same ilvl

[lean plover]

if you want to not play ds, u mean

[spice surge]

The 90s haste one gives more than the one you linked too

[waxen oyster]

Isn't DS like

a non issue now

since they divorced it from ambush

[solar wyvern]

Its a bit more since itll be 289 ilvl but ye

[spice surge]

Well no because its impossible to move it now

[haughty flicker]

its a non issue until you need to swap it

or the enemy flies away

or goes immune

[spice surge]

Ofc but puzzlebox is also more

[haughty flicker]

or just bugs again

[spice surge]

Hence the "same ilvl"

[waxen oyster]

bugs?

in my world of warcraft?

no wai

[jade igloo]

[haughty flicker]

true mb

that would never happen

[spice surge]

Before you could vanish and move the mark if you needed to

[jade abyss]

WoW is a bugfree game

[spice surge]

Now you cannot move it without darkest night

[solar wyvern]

Ye that trinkey probs needa a buff i was just tinkering around

[waxen oyster]

what happens if your target flies away now

[solar wyvern]

Channeling pbox is cringe amen

[spice surge]

You get fucked

[waxen oyster]

the target swap thing is kinda cope though

what is this "Target swap" you speak of

[spice surge]

Genuinely just have to wait for the mark to time out on that mob

[jade abyss]

You can watch your mark expire and cry

[twilit python]

is ds even good prio damage

[solar wyvern]

Ye

[twilit python]

bet

[waxen oyster]

actual good

or like

[solar wyvern]

Did 8.65m in that 17 pit

[waxen oyster]

sl sub "prio" damage "good"

[haughty flicker]

i mean our ability to target swap now is not bad at all without mark being considered

you press ct once and dont even have to mut for caustic

[solar wyvern]

Probably would so more if it actually spattered or my tank pulled more than 8 mobs

[haughty flicker]

you're immediately full strength

[waxen oyster]

meh i feel sub/outlaw are still better at it

But yeah anyone who said sub had good prio damage in SL deserves a lobotomy.

[twilit python]

proud black powderer

[haughty flicker]

real

[waxen oyster]

"funnel damage"

[jade abyss]

Missing sub funnel in bfa first season zul