assassination

[frank trench]

It’s…..something either trick the tank or trick a non tank for a short dmg boost

[blazing totem]

dont think this was worth it tho

[wooden basin]

Old tricks

[blazing totem]

back in the old ways, it was meant to increase the threat generated by the target so more dmg

obviously it is kinda counterproductive to drop on fellow DPS cuz you push his threat xD

but they could tweak it

or yk

just give us the damn smoke bomb back

that was at least one raid cooldown we had going for us

but they took it and gave it to DH basically lol

[weary spear]

They have a hard time giving rogue a bigger kit due to PvP I think. Lust, brez, or raid buff would work tho

[royal lantern]

but....rogue has not really a special kit for pvp....?

im pretty sure warrior and paladin have more PvP based things for like a decade now

[weary spear]

Agreed

Idk

Damage balancing is one thing but kit balancing rogue feels behind

[wooden basin]

I do feel for pvp players when I say this but I really believe it should be true

They should stop developing for PvP

[weary spear]

Dk and lock kind of in the same boat but at least they have brez

[wooden basin]

making any decision with pvp in mind when it is such a marginal population is stupid

[royal lantern]

DK and warlock have absoluely insane toolkits, wdym lol

[weary spear]

Raid buff I mean

[royal lantern]

i mean, same really

Warlock is 1 of the God Classes in Raids anyway, iirc Warlock is literally the #1 Class for Raiding since the Game exists, and there is always 1-2 fights that need gateways

and DK is basically always tuned very high, is unkillable, ignores half the mechanics by default and there is always 1-2 fighs where atleast 1 DK is a hard requirment

[weary spear]

Damn true

[royal lantern]

like, they literally had to change how AMZ works because stacking DK's was so stupid effective

[blazing totem]

PvP has always been a crippling point for Rogue design, honestly. As far as I can remember

whatever they introduce they have to think "what does this do in PvP" - they mentioned this a few times

which I never understood and I think it is stupid because they literally have a system in place where PvE/PvP damage/spell duration is different

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee that they dont think "what does this do in PvP" for anything really for the last 15 years now

the only group that ignores PvP more then WoW players themself, is blizzard lol

[blazing totem]

They did mention that so clearly they do

or they just use it as an excuse

[wooden basin]

They shoot them selves in the foot

[royal lantern]

• again, what does rogue even have that would "not allow stuff because of PvP"

the class has no special PvP things lol

[blazing totem]

beats me

[hexed frost]

At this point, I'm pretty sure blizzard will just remove caustic spatter before 12.0.5

[royal lantern]

like

back in 2006 where Kidney and cheapshot where a insane thing? yeha sure i gues

[hexed frost]

From 40-35-15

[royal lantern]

but its 2026

lol

[weary spear]

Tryan do you think class kits could use some balancing in PvE

[wooden basin]

Atrophic gets memed and usually rightfully so

But it does something

I wish we had more of a raid buff though

[blazing totem]

cuz it depends on boss coding whether it does something or not

in some cases it's just DR for your tank when he is getting smacked by AAs, which is for prog but then kek

well in general the dmg reduction is good for prog

but then people just want dmg

and dont rly care

[wooden basin]

Yeah

We are already the least played class by a pretty big margin

I really am surprised that we haven’t gotten a second look at our toolkits

Ah maybe evoker is less played

But it’s between the two

lol

Forgot about monk!

[wanton spear]

is that just counting windwalker monks? i thought brew & mw was pretty popular

[spice surge]

If you look at max level characters only then rogue is quite a bit behind monks

[wooden basin]

Looks like IV just sourced it from WCL and Raider.io

[wanton spear]

feel like it would be pretty difficult to get an actual count, i mean doesn't everyone have a random rogue alt. at least everyone i know does, none of the play it but they just have them.

should have like an io score minimum to actually get a count

[hexed frost]

At this point, blizzard has killed almost any class fantasy around rogues except for lockpicking and pickpocketing (more or else useless in end game PvE). Ferals and hunters also get stealth/invis so nothing unique. Only saving grace is damage output, even that is gg i guess. Until unless someone is hardcore sadomasochist , idk why would they pick rogue.

[wooden basin]

I think rogue is looking better than it has in a while, class fantasy well that’s subjective but yeah

[honest sand]

@wanton spear mw is the least played healing class in mfo behind even pres

[wanton spear]

honestly tho, can we have our wotlk unique stuff back, like bring back pickpocket being a real thing, guys remember when we had shady dealer

[wanton spear]

pres is only ahead because rescue for no mobility classes lol i think thats what its called

[honest sand]

Yeah they make mfo a lot easier

[weary stump]

New update, rogues can now lockpick other guilds banks to steal potions

[tender surge]

Evoker would be more popular if it 1 it had a transmog and 2 didn't look like a furry fetish class.

Dracthyr look astoundingly bad

Stop making races and classes that are immune to transmog

[frank trench]

Like fighting through 11 bubbles and full heals and cleanses?

[royal lantern]

as the server furry

man

why do people say that

when like, Draknoids exists and literally are Bara Bait

[frank trench]

100% just allow me to do a little more customization it’s like a worse Druid cosmetics wise

Evoker is VERY satisfying to play

[royal lantern]

Dracthyr are just the typical blizzard "cool concept that then gets dropped after a single patch"

which they LOVE to do

[tender surge]

Normies reaction to that is "this is just a furry" more so than vulpera

[royal lantern]

remember when they said "tiersets will be displayed and you will unlock more barbershop stuff later"?

[umbral rock]

Honestly if they made it so Evoker functioned like other Dracthyr casters, where you could be in Visage and cast all spells (the animations already exist on the Visage model). It would be far more popular

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha

but also

fuck that

[tender surge]

I mean it's fine, go fuck a girl in a fursuit this is America, but similar to pandaren it doesn't look "warcraft" that's why Chen was a joke character lol

[royal lantern]

dont need MORE elves and humans running around

the game is allready World of Elfcraft enough

[umbral rock]

I feel like Visage form looks unique enough but it does have the same animation base as Human so I feel ya

[royal lantern]

(the only thing Sylvanas did wrong was not finishing the Job with the nightelves)

[frank trench]

This is why I have five mechagnomes

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-gif-24943874

[tender surge]

How about tieflings

We already have manari tbf

[royal lantern]

mate, you know that probably the majority of people in this server are not American right

[frank trench]

My mechagnome mogs are my favorite mogs :0

[tender surge]

This is Europe go fuck a girl in a fursuit with free Healthcare

[tender surge]

I always have problems hiding the literal actual diaper

[royal lantern]

mechagnomes have like 2 good mogs

and they look really good

but thats kinda it

[frank trench]

lol can I pm you my mog 😄

I don’t wanna post it to channel lol

[tender surge]

Is it cuz the baby diaper?

[frank trench]

No I feel like someone will slap me or something

[tender surge]

Oh is it baby diaper + slut mog+

[royal lantern]

this is #assassination

whatever it is, we had it worse

[frank trench]

Ok ignore the talking by two people in discord

[marsh fjord]

WTF IS THAT

[frank trench]

My rogue

Alt my main is undead

[marsh fjord]

[frank trench]

He puffs out alot of smoke in combat

[wintry vapor]

My rogue's a mechagnome, as well

Just less overgeared

[royal lantern]

i mean, thats one of those moments where mechagnome works

[wintry vapor]

It looks very cool, yeah

[frank trench]

It looks really funny with killing spree

[minor pendant]

yo do we keep snd up ?

[marsh fjord]

Iit happens auto

[minor pendant]

thanks

<3

[frank trench]

So question.🙋 what do you guys do in situations where there are two mobs. Like in a m+ do you crimson tempest to only move one bleed?

I feel like trying to keep bleeds up on just one additional Mob is too energy starving

With ct

Or just let spatter spatter or manually apply the bleeds?

[balmy condor]

You CT

[night delta]

Is there a verdict on if FoK > Mut in 2 target scenarios ?

Or roughly equivalent

[limber yoke]

is it only me or is assassination really bad in prepatch?? In raids I am always at the bottom. It was not like that before!

[gritty laurel]

prepatch tuning is a meme, check back when season 1 starts

[placid snow]

I basically stopped playing the pre-patch. Hopefully we perform better in S1

[buoyant herald]

It cannot be stressed enough that there is zero tuning for pre patch. It’s not meant to be balanced. You’ve also got a pruning and a stat squish and a bunch of spec redesigns

[coral ibex]

i paused my sub for feb bc the next few weeks are 100% fake

[fleet whale]

Is there anytime where secondary poison may be used or is it just a bad talent?

[balmy condor]

It’s utter shit

[fleet whale]

Shame, I actually sort of like the concept behind it

But limiting it to just ST is a bit ehh

[weary stump]

We need someone to take the mantle and run m+ and raid with the worst talent choices statistically possible

[severe meadow]

Thanks for volunteering

[weary stump]

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-usagi-cry-gif-4084831564383065843

[spice spire]

@severe meadow ty for volunteering

[severe meadow]

Quake pls not like this

[spice spire]

It’s too late my monarch

It’s been decided

[runic hinge]

Don’t worry I’ll do it. I already did fatebound hybrid keys this expack

[severe meadow]

My hero for real

[runic hinge]

Xoxo

[frank trench]

I have been still good to get a feel

[runic hinge]

nice i got a full 24 hours

[spice spire]

[severe meadow]

24 hours of testing

[frank trench]

I been doing 12/15s and that’s been a little brutal.

Def need that energy boost from the apex I think. Once I burn through teas I feel like I am on a deserted island searching for energy to drink.

Can keep all bleeds up and spread but getting out envenoms is brutal

Like I want to see once beta is pushed to live if we will have to play around teas. If you know you have a massive couple of pulls coming up like in priory where you back to back some huge groups if you have to conserve energy and teas before those pulls so you aren’t bone dry for the second big pack.

[buoyant herald]

Stack haste, good for the bleed damage as well, might help

Fatebound also gets a bit more energy at cap

[lean plover]

haste doesnt solver energy issue

not even an issue

its the spec design

[balmy condor]

You won’t be playing around teas

[frank trench]

Overall spec feels great though ❤️

Very engaging def my top rogue spec pick

[magic summit]

Fell like atm its my top choose it have just enough to keep me engaged

[barren yarrow]

env chaining?

[wooden basin]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAKxQ4LWkAE9Lt4.gif

[balmy condor]

Env chaining….

Can I buy a vowel

Is there more context

[burnt venture]

Bruh I'm so used to pressing CT at full CP's out of muscle memory this new thing is ROUGH

need moar dummy time

[humble verge]

not even 10k hours as rogue

im a disgrace

[balmy condor]

I'm a giga altoholic tbh

[humble verge]

gamer

[fallow canopy]

what addon is that?

[magic summit]

Sort by spec really get down to what you play

[balmy condor]

can't do that I'm afraid

but it would be like 50/40/10 assa/sub/outlaw

[magic summit]

Yesh I know sad

[magic summit]

Hahah yesh fair Ass seems to always be “good” sub hit and miss and outlaw never meta in raid

[balmy condor]

I didn't play assa at all until legion

played mostly outlaw

well, combat

then it was outlaw and I didn't play it much

played slightly more sub than assa until like dragonflight?

then I was assa main

and I hardly played any sub in TWW

[magic summit]

oh yeah, fair enough. That’s fair. I was a Mw main for 12 years then moved to augmentation and now I’m playing road

Rogue

[tall jay]

Man, I miss the old combat rogue…I didn’t like it when it changed to outlaw…glad I finally settled on SIN lol

But then again, I didn’t play for legion or bfa so…idk

[drifting cloud]

im proud of you pookie

mine isnt that bad for 20 years most of the alts are just mount farming hours

warr/monk were split alts in legion and bfa

[tall jay]

I think I will try this addon tonight

[balmy condor]

yeah this is chill

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/853474124303171605/1469448783438938163/image.png?ex=6987b253&is=698660d3&hm=fd60d54cff23df31e45f8e950983573297b9ab0943a38e5f198615c338f195cc&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1032&height=615

one of my guildies

is just

[drifting cloud]

healer main surely?

[balmy condor]

yes

[drifting cloud]

makes sense

[scarlet orbit]

Linking the Wowhead article instead of the addon to make more clicks

[balmy condor]

4.5 years /played is wild

[balmy condor]

[haughty flicker]

lmao

[fallow canopy]

W plug

[runic hinge]

All that time and still noob

[drifting cloud]

[runic hinge]

I will check mine tomorrow. I bet it’s not that much

[drifting cloud]

I havent played that much wow last 3-4 years

atleast compared to before

[runic hinge]

My Druid is like 300 days but nothing else is close. I took a lot of time off randomly

[drifting cloud]

my tww playtime might honestly be under 50 days

[fallow canopy]

I think I was better off not knowing

[balmy condor]

hunter located

obliterate this twink

[fallow canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-booty-gif-10111486565593044883

[earnest remnant]

@drifting cloud nerd

[drifting cloud]

buddy we all know you have a banned license

[earnest remnant]

also not my original rogue on even this account

this is from mid BFA

[drifting cloud]

when did you start wow even

[earnest remnant]

cata

[balmy condor]

unc lmao

[earnest remnant]

or like very end of TBC

[earnest remnant]

im only 27 years young

[balmy condor]

closer to 50 than to 0

[fallow canopy]

basically an old man

[balmy condor]

holy shit

retirement age soon

[lethal turtle]

Actually the only loyal man left. You would make a partner in life proud

[nimble tartan]

finally some metrics, i can calculate your hours played and parses I will be compiling data for you all in my folder

[balmy condor]

should be part of the application process

it took you how long to 99 average?

denied

[earnest remnant]

i only raid log in wow so my playtime is fairly low

never just have the game open

[balmy condor]

realest shit you've ever said

[lethal turtle]

Your cpu thanks you

[earnest remnant]

most of my play time is from DF

when i still pushed keys

[lethal turtle]

DF s1 outlaw man

[balmy condor]

yuck btw

[earnest remnant]

just checked btw that rogue is from SL season 2 LOL

[drifting cloud]

[earnest remnant]

i was to petty to buy a race change

so i leveled a new rogue

[lethal turtle]

Sub rogue SL S2 was a dream in m+

[drifting cloud]

and now you have 100mil gold

for race changes

[earnest remnant]

i do not!

72m

[drifting cloud]

dm stealthi for free gold

[earnest remnant]

never know when i might need it (i will never need it)

[drifting cloud]

for lvling boosts for your 25 split chars when you join method/echo

[earnest remnant]

im too old for that

ship has sailed

[nimble tartan]

72m wow

i have 100k

no bitches

no mogs

no mounts

[drifting cloud]

should have gone hard this season omr

[earnest remnant]

made most of it in SL

[drifting cloud]

ive seen people with 15 maxxed out chars boosting

[earnest remnant]

from doing key boosts

[drifting cloud]

they probably making 10mil+ a week

well were before prepatch

[nimble tartan]

im a brokie

[bleak sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/artichoke-vegan-shk-simple-happy-kitchen-green-gif-15026084

[balmy condor]

nah that's crazy

[barren yarrow]

i read that the apex talents so far with inspiring strike might be more advantageous if we chained envenoms.

[balmy condor]

we do

[barren yarrow]

ok so im not an idiot

ty king ❤️

[balmy condor]

I just don't know what that has to do with tea

[barren yarrow]

has their been a time that classes have been this simple?

[balmy condor]

pre-cata

[barren yarrow]

oh word

lol, RWF just got more interesting. No one can sweat now.... what will happen!

[balmy condor]

vanilla mage was deadass like 2 buttons and one of them was a cooldown

they can still giga sweat

[barren yarrow]

true.

rupture is gone with sub btw, learned that today.

Flag is gone

[balmy condor]

correct

[barren yarrow]

at this point one button rotation feels 10/10 lol

[balmy condor]

it still sucks pretty hard

[barren yarrow]

oh facts

[balmy condor]

basically unplayable on sub as far as I understand

[bleak sleet]

my favourite activity as a TC is going into other discords where i know the TCs and fucking with them

[barren yarrow]

yeah its gross

[bleak sleet]

so ty

[balmy condor]

[bleak sleet]

[barren yarrow]

lol

[balmy condor]

I'm going to overhaul your rotation page so you have to rewrite it

watch it bugboy

[bleak sleet]

sounds like more hourly

[balmy condor]

flat rate

[barren yarrow]

do you think blizz will come with more clarity of what theyre going todo with us?

[bleak sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/doakes-im-watching-you-gif-16773151899168519026

[balmy condor]

what clarity would you need

[balmy condor]

10 hours? yeah go ahead and invoice for 2 lil gup

[barren yarrow]

watching your vid theres some energy concerns

[balmy condor]

I mean my energy concerns are that the apex gives too little and the spec is too fast baseline

but it's not inherently "wrong"

[barren yarrow]

i see

misunderstood

[bleak sleet]

crimes

[balmy condor]

I just think it would've been better had they targetted the tuning differently

[bleak sleet]

🌉

[balmy condor]

like without the apex talent there's no point in chaining or pooling or managing energy at all

and that's their core stated concept for assassination

and playing the apex talent correctly is like 1.5% dps at most

which to me is like

okay

core rotational concept for 1.5% dps

[barren yarrow]

ehhh, doesnt scream end game "apex talent"

[balmy condor]

bit limp dick

the apex talent is worth like 8%

it's not the talent value

[bleak sleet]

y'all take your apex?

[balmy condor]

it's the value of playing it correctly

[bleak sleet]

crazy

[balmy condor]

go cry about cstar

[bleak sleet]

Jaydaa is doing it for me dw

[barren yarrow]

right, but 1.5% isnt something insane but its a bonus?

[balmy condor]

my devourer doesn't have enough haste to even press that button if I wanted to

[barren yarrow]

idk ill have to get on the PTR lol

[bleak sleet]

rip lil gup

[balmy condor]

I mean yeah, cause if you don't forcibly drop envenom

envenoms uptime is so stupid high

that you just don't get half the value

like full brain off slamming envenom you'd be at like 85-90% uptime in season 1 gear

that would be playing it "incorrectly"

[barren yarrow]

ok ill read up on it. Pre patch we have like 5 seconds?

[balmy condor]

nothing changes

[barren yarrow]

ok

[balmy condor]

it's 1s per cp I think

but it's stupid high

and there's no twist the knife anymore

so it doesn't stack either

[barren yarrow]

oh wow ok thats why its "easy"

[balmy condor]

2.5 years of moving towards fixing envenom's fucking problems

and they just deleted everything

[barren yarrow]

hahaha

[balmy condor]

immediately back to infinity uptime buff with zero effort

and you just stop casting envenom for the apex talent

core rotational concept my ass

[barren yarrow]

that doesnt make sense at all

but ill have to read what apex talents do lol i didnt do that yet

[balmy condor]

in big enough aoe you just have too much energy even with all the nerfs

so you just ignore the apex talent

[barren yarrow]

wow

[balmy condor]

cause you'd end up overcapping anyway

and there's no point in optimizing an energy talent if you're overcapping it

[barren yarrow]

right

[balmy condor]

now, granted you need like

really big aoe

but it definitely can happen in like plant pull on algethar and stuff

like it's not just a theoretical thing

I think the worst part of all of the energy/pooling/whatever gameplay stuff

is that the cracks now only get worse with more gear

[barren yarrow]

yeah ive noticed and i might be talking about something separate but in pre patch pulling more mobs > bleeds = way more energy then less but if CT caps after like 5-6 targets what do we benefit from>

[balmy condor]

by season 3 we're either stacking haste until some breakpoint and then ignoring talents

or we're untalenting energy talents to try and slow down

or we're just forcibly avoiding haste to try and keep it down

[barren yarrow]

omg math gymnastics lol

[balmy condor]

fuck ass game

[barren yarrow]

runescape here i come

[balmy condor]

im not sure what the question is

if you have more targets you just keep pressing ct

and keep spreading

why would it cap at 5-6

[barren yarrow]

because after the first 2 mobs does it goto 2 more indefinitely? or does it eventually go 1 by 1?

[balmy condor]

it spreads to 2 targets every time you press it, and it prioritizes targets without bleeds

[barren yarrow]

ah ok

[balmy condor]

if you have 21 targets, you apply to main target, 20 left

and you can just CT 10 times in a row

and get it to the other 20

(obviously you'd dump combo points, but like, ya know)

[barren yarrow]

and the application goes off the timer set on the mob your currently targeted?

timer being bleed

[balmy condor]

it copies the longest duration

[barren yarrow]

ohhh ok just w/e the longest is

[balmy condor]

so if you apply to your main target, and let it tick to like idk, 23 seconds

and then press ct

it would apply 23 seconds

[barren yarrow]

no wonder I do no damage in M+ right now lol

[balmy condor]

so all the bleeds are synced

[barren yarrow]

ive been stopping CT after 1-2 mobs because In my head there wasnt a point in doing it more

[balmy condor]

yeah that's troll as shit

[barren yarrow]

but then im brain dead like where is my energy

yeah i suck

[balmy condor]

okay well it won't fix your energy really

[barren yarrow]

and i paid for coaching

[balmy condor]

but yeh

[barren yarrow]

heh

[balmy condor]

1 energy per tick

you'd need uh

a lot

of mobs

[barren yarrow]

yeah

i liked last season, felt alot better

infinite

[balmy condor]

yeah they're trying to make energy matter in aoe

but it didn't quite work out

it's the thought that counts I guess

[barren yarrow]

yeah i feel like a starving energy crackhead

[balmy condor]

and that's technically where the apex would come in

but the apex also isn't really strong enough to "fix" that

[barren yarrow]

yay us

[balmy condor]

and at the same time is entirely pointless in big aoe

so it's a failure both ways

[barren yarrow]

omg

lmao, so ive been playing rogue since DF season 3 and after the combat = outlaw change so i didnt know about rogue earlier in these years but why in the hell do we have the most issues when theres so little we ACTUALLY do in terms of damage lol

the earliest i played rogue is when indescriminate carnage was a button

[balmy condor]

prepatch tuning is just nonexistant

[barren yarrow]

so blizz just slaps stuff together, calls it "pre patch" and lets everything go wild? lol then enough ppl get tired of it and they do something?

[balmy condor]

correct

blizzard loads all the midnight changes meant for level 90

onto the level 80 characters

and then walks away

[barren yarrow]

multi dollar company

[balmy condor]

and then on tuesday, all the tuning meant for the level 90 characters at endgame

just gets dropped onto the level 80 characters

[desert crest]

They bid of more they can chew for sure

[balmy condor]

but we're missing talent points in the class tree, hero talent tree, and the apex talents

so the tuning doesn't really make much sense

[barren yarrow]

yeah no idea why they would do that. Isnt midnight released like in march?

[balmy condor]

the other really fun part is that the 3 points we're getting on the class tree right

[desert crest]

yub

[balmy condor]

you can't use them in the bottom third of the tree

they're purely for the top 2 sections

[desert crest]

You would think someone would catch that

and fix it

[balmy condor]

no, that's by design

on purpose

but that means the point requirements to open the gates has to change

[barren yarrow]

they use people like whispyr to spot it and get free help

[balmy condor]

or else the gates would open at the same point requirement, and you'd have those 3 extra points

with the patch on tuesday, the gate requirement changes

[desert crest]

True true

[balmy condor]

so we're essentially just losing 3 points in the bottom part of the class tree

so you get here

[desert crest]

It really seems like housing + changing all specs + addons was a bit much for a single expac

[balmy condor]

and then you're out of points

[desert crest]

But i guess who knows maybe they pull trough at the finish line

[balmy condor]

so get ready for tuesday's patch, you kinda lose class tree points

and we're getting like all sorts of fuckass tuning

unholy is getting basically a rework

new talents and stuff

prepatch part 2

this time with double the jank

[mint urchin]

It's okay the only thing that happens in prepatch is a bunch of people making alts based on beta tier lists that will get nerfed and then dropped on raid week

[fleet whale]

imagine not running Kingsbane in Midnight

how bad would that be?

[mint urchin]

What would you even drop KB for?

[grave osprey]

uhdk getting another rework after the rework!?

[fleet whale]

i remember back in MOP, windwalker got a new mastery like every patch

[stiff fern]

Yeah I appreciate the frustration about prepatch being weird and this is probably a bit long for a prepatch

But there's nothing going on atm, if there's a time for things to be weird, it's now

[fleet whale]

I think part of the reason is why this pre-patch is weird is that they launched some class changes that didn't match the up to date beta build

[stiff fern]

Yeah the dev branch split is also weird

But in the end midnight launch is what matters

[balmy condor]

blizzard and shit version control

a tale as old as time

I don't understand why they have beta, ptr1, ptr2, a dev ptr, and an internal build

like

what a fucking nightmare

[wooden basin]

Midnight lunch..

[lethal turtle]

What did I miss. UHDK dying next week?

[balmy condor]

Uhdk got new talents and like infinity tuning so it’s just entirely different

[neon burrow]

was looking through some of the FAQ and saw that we don't really play around the envenom buff uptime. Question though, would that be an energy pooling opportunity to try and maximize the uptime of the buff and envenom when its at like 1 sec left? or do we just always send envenom with 5+ CP?

[balmy condor]

Maximizing the uptime of the buff from 99.8% to 99.81% is just not impactful enough

Envenoms buff might as well be a passive

[neon burrow]

hm, that's unfortunate. It'd be a cool mechanic to play around

[royal lantern]

well, they try to push it sometimes

but to push that the buff would need a lower duration overall

[balmy condor]

Envenoms buff uptime is something blizzard has been incapable or unwilling to fix for over a decade at this point

[royal lantern]

and at the same time it kinda clashes with the "midnight specs are supposed to be playable and optimized for the average forum user" thing they do

so we have this weird middle ground that does neither

[balmy condor]

Ye

Envenom is just a billion% uptime and when they try to make it not a billion% uptime they rip it back out later

Like twist the knife

Twist the knife wasn’t perfect but it at least was an attempt

And now we’re just back to infinity uptime for some fuckass reason

[royal lantern]

and a big problem is also always

having to play around envenom uptime would mean you having GCD's where you do nothing

and like

99% of the playerbase HATES that

and is very very vocal about hating that

[balmy condor]

So… the thing we have anyway?

[royal lantern]

reminder that the #1 complaint about assa and sub rogue in midnight you read everywhere is "energy starvation"

and has been since basically always

blizz is somewhat trying to push it, and most just....dont want it really, which ones again creates this weird middle ground where both sides are kinda unhappy

[balmy condor]

Yeah well

Eat rocks

Idk

Forum idiots

[neon burrow]

so instead of playing around the uptime of a buff and wait for GCDs, we wait for GCDs while our energy comes back?

[balmy condor]

Yeah right now you just don’t care about any of it

And then with the apex you envenom 5x and wait for the buff to drop

Except sometimes when you don’t cause you have too much energy to do that

[royal lantern]

how much difference is doing that vs just spamming envenom like always btw

[balmy condor]

1.5%

[royal lantern]

ngl, thats 1,3% more then i expected

[balmy condor]

To be fair, it’s like a bit more energy than dashing scoundrel

It’s not nothing

[oblique sorrel]

I see all these rogue experts posting on the forums and none of them play rogue

Half of them are under 3k

[balmy condor]

Forum posters are the biggest experts in the community

[royal lantern]

"i hate outlaw because i have to use CP for RtB rerolls all the time, give us back COMBAT"

-the average forum/reddi poster about Rogue

[balmy condor]

They’re actually such expert geniuses that they think class discord theorycrafters are just far less knowledgeable

[oblique sorrel]

You write the guides lol

[balmy condor]

I remember I wrote an editorial about the bleed build in m+

And someone went into the comments and was like

[royal lantern]

yeha but they didnt play the class since WotLK, so who actually has more knowledge kiddo?

[balmy condor]

Whispyr is completely wrong, assa is about THE POISONS

[bronze marsh]

I purely exist on the forums to ragebait and I've gotten pretty good

[balmy condor]

I think about that guy a lot

I hope he’s doing good

[oblique sorrel]

I got to 3300 of your bleed build so yeah reading those guys comments is mind blowing

[bronze marsh]

that's Mafic and Saifu's territory I'm just there to stir pots

[oblique sorrel]

Your all up in there

lol

[bronze marsh]

that bm hunter guy was having a blast

[balmy condor]

I haven’t gotten a Tomrus comment yet

[bronze marsh]

he pops up on some of the general posts

[royal lantern]

isnt tomrus only in news posts

[bronze marsh]

always an event lol

[balmy condor]

That would complete my wowhead EGOT

[drowsy hollow]

I honestly would love if Deathstalker was one day a pure poison hero tree haha, but Sin's not bad right now

[royal lantern]

class based stuff is way too much MADE FOR THE TOP 1% for tomrus

[oblique sorrel]

That pally Arahgon is the biggest troll of all case closed

[bronze marsh]

nah

but he can get under Mafic's skin real nice

[oblique sorrel]

I wanna see his rogue

[bronze marsh]

he lurks, might see him pop up now and again

[oblique sorrel]

His raider io is hidden on his pally 2.7k phenom

[nova kelp]

I don't like this account played addon

I need to quit the game a while

my god

[drowsy hollow]

haha

[oblique sorrel]

Is it over 365 days

[drowsy hollow]

I was actually shocked rogue wasn't my least played class somehow

[nova kelp]

mate...

[bronze marsh]

I didn't realize my paladin was that far ahead of the others but it was the literal only toon I played from like late bc until maybe late wrath

didn't even make my rogue until maybe dragon soul patch?

[nova kelp]

that's just 1 server

[bronze marsh]

also I thought I played a fair bit but a lot of yall blow me out of the water lol

[oblique sorrel]

Dang

[drowsy hollow]

I struggle so hard to play the pure dps classes. Maybe they'll add the rogue tank one day.

[nova kelp]

the crazy thing is, this fucking addon doesn't account for characters that have been deleted

I feel sick

[drowsy hollow]

I rarely ever delete mains

[bronze marsh]

yeah if it did my playtime would be like 2.5-3 years probs

[oblique sorrel]

That’s because the get smashed by hybrid classes for some reason. Or any new class of spec

[bronze marsh]

instead of 1.8

[nova kelp]

my hunter bar should be twice as long, the dh and shaman bars are DEFINITELY longer

[bronze marsh]

I'd have like triple+ the druid playtime bc of resto

[drowsy hollow]

Nah, mages for example are the Main Characters of WoW. I just hate pugging as dps

[bronze marsh]

and probs double shaman

[nova kelp]

pure dps has it's benefits, mostly the avoidance of "do you have tank/heal set?"

I'm dps, I do dps, making me do other roles is kinda... invalid
even if I was a good tank or healer, losing out on me in a dps role is a loss

[oblique sorrel]

Tanking is fun

[nova kelp]

so I like just avoiding the issue entirely

[oblique sorrel]

You play the game more

[nova kelp]

you mean you play the game more as a tank?

[oblique sorrel]

Like instead of waiting for invited

Invites*

[nova kelp]

yeah, just clarifying, I think that's a fair statement, even philosophically

[oblique sorrel]

I main my rogue and alt a war and dk

[nova kelp]

I switched to rogue in legion because they delted hunter traps for a minute there

but I'm not gona lie... I'm pretty fucking close to being a DH main atm

[drowsy hollow]

Regardless I'm still down for rogue tank, lock tank, hunter healer, and mage tank/healer from the survey

More specs the better

[nova kelp]

mage should get tank imo, battle mage style

shields

[drowsy hollow]

that was one of the specs on the survey, elemental shields and all

[nova kelp]

rogue could get bard

[bronze marsh]

as long as their defensives are relegated to the tank spec tree so they aren't crazy livelords again across the board lol

[haughty flicker]

barrier mage spec

to tank

ez

[bronze marsh]

that would be kinda dope

[drowsy hollow]

I mean it's not like the tank hybrids right now have stupidly tanky dps specs

[nova kelp]

also further the main character dealio

[bronze marsh]

true bury them out back

can't feed the ego

[nova kelp]

I've never been a fan of the rogue tank deal, but rogue could get a ranged spec or a support spec

[drowsy hollow]

This was the mage tank description

[nova kelp]

alchemist, bard etc

[drowsy hollow]

The only reason rogue tank is there is because it was decently popular in SOD and an Evasion tank has been a long time request

[bronze marsh]

I always saw rogue slotting more into the gunslinger 25 yard range niche they're adding to

[oblique sorrel]

What’s the difference in keys right now? Like was a 15 comparable with in this prepatch

[nova kelp]

I DO NOT understand the idea of a short range gun spec lol

[bronze marsh]

mayyyybe like a sawbones healer like in swtor

[drowsy hollow]

Keys are easily like 3-5 levels easier right now

[nova kelp]

I already have issues with the fact that FUCKING pistol shot is 25 while THROW KNIFE is 40

it makes NO FUCKING SENSE

it's a FUCKING

GUN

[drowsy hollow]

some guns have really bad accuracy at range

[bronze marsh]

yeah but if you have two its harder to aim at a distance

[nova kelp]

my god

[bronze marsh]

and with a throwing knife you just kinda send

[nova kelp]

try throwing a dagger

[bronze marsh]

you've seen the CoD killcams

[oblique sorrel]

Blunder buss 10 yards

[bronze marsh]

knives can do crazy shit

360 throwing knife headshot across the map

[nova kelp]

I promise you, accuracy be damned, you're more likely to hit shit at 40 yards with a bad gun than a dagger

[bronze marsh]

bouncing off the ground into a ballsack

[drowsy hollow]

for a long time throwing and archery was way more accurate than guns

[bronze marsh]

knives are ballistically mischievous

[nova kelp]

even early muskets shat on any thrown option and the vast majority of bolt/arrow weapons without extreme training

give man gun, pull trigger, instant benefit

[drowsy hollow]

ooo, how much energy does the apex talent give? That must speed up the spec a ton

[nova kelp]

imo if we get a short range option, just go with big shuriken spec, or throw vials via alchemy

[balmy condor]

10%ish

It’s like dashing or tea

[bronze marsh]

I'm hoping since sub is slowly Naruto-ing we get ShadowRasenShuriken

[drowsy hollow]

I don't totally hate the downtime right now on sin because it's to be expected, but I do feel like I'm pooling energy a lot for Kingsbane windows.

[balmy condor]

don't need to do that

[royal lantern]

you realise that those "surveys" are not "we will add these"

its just a extremeley general "is there any interest in new specs as a concept at all"

[bronze marsh]

tbh I thought that whole thing was AI bait lol

[royal lantern]

the stuff they wrote there is just random things thrown at a wall

[drowsy hollow]

I know it's not a we will add.

[bronze marsh]

we still need artificer/tinkerer/bard/etc

[drowsy hollow]

I'm expecting Tank Shaman and maybe the Ranged DK for 14.0

[bronze marsh]

and playable ogres and naga

[royal lantern]

ok mr forum

[royal lantern]

dont forget HIGH ELVES mixed in there aswell

[bronze marsh]

SoonTM

we possess Xalatath's dead body

[royal lantern]

which totally is not just belf with blue eyes or velf with blue eyes, which are both allready avaible

[drowsy hollow]

Hell, some of them could be Classic+ ideas even more than retail.

[royal lantern]

its totally different

[bronze marsh]

right

bc immersion reasons

[drowsy hollow]

Helf fans literally want different racials and some green tattoos that's it

[knotty vapor]

post em

[drowsy hollow]

TRP3 can already make your race display as High Elf to anyone who'll actually care

so it's just the blue racial and customizations

[sonic zinc]

wtf is this

[bronze marsh]

I would like aoe silence racial please

[drowsy hollow]

account played addon

[knotty vapor]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/account-played

[drowsy hollow]

it's just adding up everything, altaholic already does something similar

you just have to log into every character you have or ever had

[bronze marsh]

also a racial that makes it so my transmogs don't look like the wrong pieces in my warband screen

[sonic zinc]

rip the characters i deleted

[drowsy hollow]

I rarely if ever delete chars haha

[knotty vapor]

you can recover every character you've ever deleted from the support site

[drowsy hollow]

unless they're somehow at cap

[sonic zinc]

well prob cant recover all my giga old characters

that i deleted a long time ago

[nova kelp]

it doesn't nah

just the ones you can log into

[royal lantern]

its avaible for a loooooooooong time tbh

[drowsy hollow]

Regardless I'm expecting a new class for TLT and the new specs if any to show up in the expansion after TLT, and I'm hyped, new stuff is always fun

[sonic zinc]

im talking decade old

[drowsy hollow]

I've heard stories of people recovering Vanilla accounts and characters they deleted before quitting in Wrath and stuff

[nova kelp]

that's mine from the server I've been on since legion

[royal lantern]

im pretty sure the characters still exists in their database

[nova kelp]

it just tracks the /played on characters you log into

[sonic zinc]

probably, idk if ill bother recoering the 10 different level 29 hunters i made in bc

[drowsy hollow]

yeah, stuff like that likely doesn't matter

though my shaman playtime is inflated a ton by the fact I levelled two different shamans in Vanilla/TBC

[burnt venture]

one of my guildies... :concerned:

[balmy condor]

probably that classic bm hunter dementia kicking in

[burnt venture]

certainly

literal insanity

[drowsy hollow]

7 years is by far the most I've seen

That's 8-9 hours every day since 2004

[vivid elm]

no way

[burnt venture]

swear lol

[drowsy hollow]

Full time job without a single day off or vacation 😄

for 21 years

[vivid elm]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

[burnt venture]

despairge

[drowsy hollow]

I applaud the dedication

they get the money out of WoW

[magic summit]

Mine

[magic summit]

See how much I can no life rouge this Xpack lol

[hallow glade]

you gotta pump those numbers up

[buoyant herald]

The fact you’ve never even loaded into what 5 other classes is the most impressive thing to me

[hallow glade]

i mean ive boosted a dk but ive probably only spent like 3 minutes logged in on it so i didnt bother

bro the one tier in priest prison 😭

i couldve been in the 90% club

[magic summit]

lol never played it till a few daysa go

picked it up in pre patch

[fresh kelp]

so many purists...

[barren yarrow]

im dog water :/

[balmy condor]

no, that's just prepatch tuning

[pliant remnant]

Instructions unclear, rerolling to magus

[haughty flicker]

wizard op

[stone forge]

are sims trustworthy atm? whenever i sim it seems to push me statwise and trinketwise in a completely opposite direction of what the BiS lists say and people's equipped armor on the wow armory

[balmy condor]

not really, no

they're probably good enough

but this patch in general is absolute clown shit

no theorycrafting is being done for prepatch

by basically any classes

[stone forge]

well it's just it seems to prefer this stat prio Crit > haste > mastery

[balmy condor]

sure

that's fine

[stone forge]

these would be my stats with the suggested gear 40% crit / 35-37% haste 52% mastery

[balmy condor]

I'm gonna be honest

I have no clue if that's good or not

[haughty flicker]

wtf

[balmy condor]

secondaries are pretty meaningless

[stone forge]

while when i check murlok.io/archon most people have 15-20 haste / 70+ mastery 40-50% crit

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-nose-poke-capy-coconut-gif-1974646734566907144

[balmy condor]

they probably didn't change any gear from season 3

[pliant remnant]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[balmy condor]

real shit

[pliant remnant]

Midnight is making the ilevel fit again too

[winged gust]

is the rotation for assassin way easier now? i heard they removed shiv but idk what else

[stone forge]

totally non contributing reply

[pliant remnant]

Sorry pookie

[balmy condor]

he's kinda right though

[winged gust]

he contributed to my laughter

[stone forge]

You are forgiven my son

[coral ibex]

there's nothing to contribute, secondaries dont matter

you're worried about lines in the sand

[stone forge]

But whispyr's guide told me there's a stat priority !1!!11!!

[coral ibex]

!cancelrant

[balmy condor]

my prepatch guide is also secretly just a season 3 guide that replaced the words "season 3" to "midnight prepatch"

[jolly stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vlc_2024-10-06_08-22-07.gif

Whispyr changing the guide

[stone forge]

https://klipy.com/gifs/tgif-nico

[jolly stirrup]

Cancel him. We trusted him

[balmy condor]

I ain't theorycrafting a fucking 3 week patch

just for them to do 12.0.1 and fuck it all up

and none of it matters

and all the content is old

[winged gust]

he'll poison and bleed you before u can cancel him

[balmy condor]

and all the tuning is for level 90

on a level 80

[jolly stirrup]

Real shit

[fleet whale]

CT got a new icon
might be the biggest change tbh

[winged gust]

does it look good?

[jolly stirrup]

I like it

[fleet whale]

yeah i think it's nice

the old icon was just a weapon model icon from cata

[jolly stirrup]

Honestly, I like how new CT works, M+ feels so much more smooth now

[winged gust]

lmao yea i remember even having it in my inventory

got it from timewalking

[fleet whale]

I'm glad we don't have to use shiv for dps anymore

[jolly stirrup]

I am not, I miss my shiv in the rotation

[winged gust]

wait sorry im very un updated on what happened to assassination lol i switched to subtlety before the prepatch, what did they do to CT?

[fleet whale]

I've personally never been a fan of having utility abilities being repurposed for dps

[jolly stirrup]

CT is now a CP builder and spreads the 2 longest bleeds to 2 more enemies

So basically you use CT as a CP builder until all enemies have bleeds

Then switch to FoK

[fleet whale]

I love how the new CT works, I just have to kick my tab rupture habit

[winged gust]

oh whatt thats cool

[jolly stirrup]

And since you main target will (almost) always have the longest bleed times, you dont need to switch anymore

[winged gust]

lmfao is it like a 60 second bleed or something

[jolly stirrup]

No

Garr and Rup timer stays the same

CT is not a debuff anymore

[winged gust]

oh damn

[barren yarrow]

i did a bit better but legit half of the time i was pressing CT lol

[jolly stirrup]

Ye and since we can play FB now with minimal loss in Aoe, but gains in ST, i enjoy M+ now

[magic summit]

CT spamming is kinda hard to get out of lol

[magic summit]

Dose posion bomb come under Envenom?

[balmy condor]

not on the blizzard meter

CT spamming is kinda fine though

not great in cleave obviously

but like big aoe, go for it

[magic summit]

Yesh okey cool I use details atill

[balmy condor]

okay well that doesn't actually change anything

it's just a visual skin

[magic summit]

Yesh okey Hahahah so poison bomb is just in the meters as its own thing

[magic summit]

Kinda fells bad doing no damage atm lol 😆 want the phat numbers

[urban minnow]

can anyone throw me together a good beta m+ build to try

[buoyant herald]

I think all rogue specs are suffering from prepatch-itis right now but sub doing okish

[balmy condor]

the prepatch m+ build, but with apex talents selected

literally the builds don't change lmao

3 points on the class tree are utility only

you fill out your hero talent

and you take apex

and that's all your points

[winged gust]

trust in the apex talents

[winged gust]

why are rogues doing like not much now tho

[frank trench]

finally after like 25 hours

[sharp viper]

looking good

[frank trench]

i have rupture and garotte to glow on pandemic

i have a tiny improved rupture lol

so i know the timer

[buoyant herald]

Because everything got changed for midnight but nothing got balanced

[magic summit]

Subs doing good

[winged gust]

amazing blizz

[magic summit]

Really no point it's pre patch its meaningless

[winged gust]

i guess so yea

[magic summit]

When you can kill dimmy in 3-4 mins then it's meaning less

[sharp viper]

you can't if your raid is full of rogues!

[magic summit]

Sub actually dose very good damage

Just not Ass lol it's the worst outa the e atm

But also how manny rouges you have?!? We've never had one in our guild

[balmy condor]

just poach all the rogues

[sharp viper]

https://klipy.com/gifs/addition-to-mycollection-more-collection-1

[jolly stirrup]

We used to have 2, now its just me since the other rogue is in exam phase

[magic summit]

Rip we have 5 hunters 🥲

[haughty flicker]

[foggy moat]

is screams any good for assa? wowheadpage dont even have it listed xd

[grand atlas]

how is the energy reg in midnight beta for assa?

[marsh fjord]

Use the robot if you wanna know if it’s good

[marsh fjord]

It’s 10% more then on pre patch

[foggy moat]

well, im in a hodgepodge of garbanzo gear and dont even have daggers yet, so it's easier to just ask

[marsh fjord]

Well if you don’t have any gear just take whatever you want but no it’s not a great trinket for Assa

[barren yarrow]

green and red shoulders? what is happening

[normal mist]

You can Tmog different shoulders

[barren yarrow]

when i log in tho im heroic set fully tmog lol

interesting though

[normal mist]

Oh then it's literally a visual bug

[royal lantern]

login screen is buggy and sometimes changes the tmog colors

and when the characters are on different servers, it often doesnt show any tmog at all

[sharp viper]

warband screen rarely displays correct transmogs for me, takes forever to update

[tawdry wedge]

Good morning, new to the discord. I have been searching online, to no avail, for a poison macro. The one I have isn't working. Basically I want to click the same button 4 times (castsequence??) to apply all four poisons. Any help would be super appreciated!
Edit now i'm confused...can I only apply 3 poisons?

[humble verge]

i dont think there exist one like that

but it should never be a problem to click the different poison, since you can sequence them

[solar harbor]

so as someone who only barely dipping into assassination during TWW, how is it now? Is it worth picking over the others?

[humble verge]

but tuning will happen

but comparably to last patch

assa just died

[solar harbor]

damn why subtlty so high????

[humble verge]

because its just pure damage

[solar harbor]

ah

[humble verge]

better damage

i mean

most bosses survive like

max 4 minutes that being dimensius

assa in my opinion isn't terrible

but wouldnt be my first option as of rn

[solar harbor]

i remember alot of people being really unhappy with the changes to their kit so thats wild. But im more asking for feel of play really. No sense worring about numbers during pre

[humble verge]

ah well

the new playstyle is mostly not that much different

the big change is crimson tempest

youre not shivving, and youre just still pouring 5cp+ into envenoms

[solar harbor]

interesting. I heard it struggles with energy is that true or just doomers?

[humble verge]

since youre just spamming

you might just be out

but mostly should be fine

[solar harbor]

alright thanks! Ive been loving the outlaw changes so i wanted to see how assa was doing

[tall jay]

Question: if we have 5cps should we send envenom or hit mut/ambush to get a 7cp enevenom

[humble verge]

no

just hit envenom

[tall jay]

Ok

[vestal wren]

fights are 2 minutes long

subtelty has 1 min 30 cooldowns

also, its pre patch, you just have a group of geared people and anything dies in the blink of an eye

[royal lantern]

even on sub most bosses die before i get a 2nd CD window

[vestal wren]

ye

[royal lantern]

assa with 2min just doesnt get any CDs done at all

[vestal wren]

i was about to say^^

i mean, its fun

just enjoy your time

and for once, have the chance to play whatever

and not care as much

midnight is soon enough and people will get way more sweaty about what spec you use or gear you have

[jolly stirrup]

its german, but:

I use this, works

[tawdry wedge]

Thanks!

now to fire up the google translator!!

[jolly stirrup]

Deadly, Athropic, Amplifying and dont know the last in english ^^

[shy heron]

Thankfully I can read German. #showtooltip is #showtooltip in english

[royal lantern]

crippling

[jolly stirrup]

^

[jolly stirrup]

[royal lantern]

wait until you find out what castsequence means!

[shy heron]

:0

[jolly stirrup]

[tawdry wedge]

Thanks so much...totally worked. Was nice tapping into the 2% of my german heritage! Appreciate you!

[humble verge]

so you can macro sequences

[tall jay]

lol

[keen kite]

hello there, what u think about new assa buff ? is it gonna be meta in m+? since sub nerfed and outlaw as well

[proven jasper]

🔮

[somber sparrow]

is there a way to disable the cold blooded killer talent sound effect? It's neither useful nor necessary, as it doesn't help give any choice to using a finisher or not. It doesn't affect gameplay at all. So why does it have to make a sound when it activates?

it's almost constantly going off

[proven jasper]

There is a way but i cant remember where the command was saved in here

[royal lantern]

god i hope they would disable it

its really fucking annoying to have glowing hands 24/7 and hearing that WHEEEE sound every 2 seconds

[static ether]

Which addon is this?

[proven jasper]

account played

[thorn thorn]

We gotta see whisprs

I bet its like 99% rogue

[onyx coyote]

got you beat

Been maining same rogue since tbc feels like cheating on this 😄

[static glacier]

Damn 1k days played bruh

You’re formally above 2x the hrs requirement to become world class at something

[onyx coyote]

i'm not even a hard core raider i'm sure theres are much higher

been seeing some 6 yr plus times on reddit

[radiant raven]

[pliant remnant]

AFKing isn't accepted into playtime

[radiant raven]

No playtime rules!

[pliant remnant]

[thorn thorn]

@humble verge

[wide ferry]

is ct supposed to spread your gaerrote rupture to all enemies you hit it with? Is it bugged right now? There are always mobs in a big pack without bleeds and im sure im hitting them

[humble verge]

what was it rox

[balmy condor]

2 additional

[wide ferry]

so for large packs, garrote rupture then 2 ct's?

[balmy condor]

no

you spread until everything has it

[wide ferry]

gotchya ty

[thorn thorn]

boo

[west crown]

Is there a envenom when 5+ part of this? Or just don’t envenom until all bleed

[balmy condor]

well yeah ofc spend your cp

bro uber can you shut the fuck up with your videos man

[humble verge]

[thorn thorn]

We in 2026 gotta use them gifs

[balmy condor]

you're literally the only guy here that says fucking nothing, shows up, floods my screen with the same shit

and then leaves

I'm so fucking sick of it

[humble verge]

i have helped

2 people today

my monthly quota is done

[thorn thorn]

Monthly

[thorn thorn]

Whispyr has hijacked my central nerve system

I have a strong desire to play sin now

[humble verge]

idk about that

when i ONLY saw him play sub or outlaw for the first beta test

[subtle tundra]

TOUCh my tralalah

[thorn thorn]

Daddy whispyr gonna give you the mute

[humble verge]

did they not just remove pooling for midnight now tho

@balmy condor on that aram grind, respect

[bronze pike]

something happened here

[humble verge]

LMAO

[bronze pike]

ill copy pasta another time

[humble verge]

HAHAHAHAHAH

like unironically

pooling is pretty much gone

i was told atleast you just keep spamming no matter what

but you obv pool before like

kingsbane

but nothing else

[bronze pike]

man idk, it just forum rogues being dumb

nothing else of value

[humble verge]

from rogues

forum *

where

[wide ferry]

ST are we focusing on just chaining envenoms at the last second while bleeds stay up, this shit feels bad.

[bronze pike]

because they somehow run out of energy and can press anythign and think its the specs fault

[humble verge]

no just keep spamming

[bronze pike]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/assassination-is-useless-right-now/2243683/147

[humble verge]

yeah i dont care with blizz forums

they have never been good

they are worse than reddit

[bronze pike]

real and true

[thorn thorn]

What the hell happened here

[humble verge]

he removed a pasta