These 5 envenoms have to be used with 5-8cps?
#assassination
glad snow
marsh fjord
These 5 envenoms have to be used with 5-8cps?
Not to sure actually, didn't test. let me check
trim monolith
Do you, or numbers, know how this is supposed to feel/play on prepatch rn without the apex talents? Like if im going into packs, running out of energy 15 seconds in, am i just hard stopping and GCD until i get enough energy back to go back to chaining envenoms and reapplying bleeds? I feel like at some point right now in prepatch, it is litterally impossible to keep all bleeds on 100% throughout anything longer then a 30 second fight.
waxen oyster
but yeah assa slamming globals without pooling feels beyond wrong
wooden basin
Do you, or numbers, know how this is supposed to feel/play on prepatch rn withou...
maybe numbers does I have not played at all in pre patch. Sorry I can’t help
waxen oyster
Do you, or numbers, know how this is supposed to feel/play on prepatch rn withou...
you just dont bleed some things then
real pike
I disagree in aoe, I think it was a nice balance. In ST/raid 100% agree
glad snow
Hasn't Assa been pulling energy since Envenom got introduced till SL ?
glad snow
I said SL
marsh fjord
Do you, or numbers, know how this is supposed to feel/play on prepatch rn withou...
Yeah you are missing 10% energy so you will run out of energy faster but, the opener should look like. garrote/garrote/rupture CT CT. DM/KB a target. and then into env spam. i did not to high keys did like 15's and didn't really had a problem with keeping up my bleeds. even without the apex.
glad snow
Basically what I meant is Isn't pooling energy historically Assa's thing ?
real pike
Basically what I meant is Isn't pooling energy historically Assa's thing ?
Some people will probably get pernickety with you about pooling vs waiting for energy
But essentially yes
waxen oyster
bleeds always manage to get powercrept by poisons
glad snow
I think the only thing I dislike about Assa rn is Bleeds are kinda meh rn
wooden basin
I honestly don’t know if it’s even correct but I was just CT like twice maybe three times and then just slamming envenoms and FOK
real pike
Not just assa, I spend most of my time waiting for energy playing combat on wrath pserver
glad snow
SD was fun in M+
marsh fjord
Do you, or numbers, know how this is supposed to feel/play on prepatch rn withou...
Also i do notice some people like spamming 3x CT and then be out of energy, CT is very costly on your energy so just be aware how you spend your energy. thats pretty important
marsh fjord
Yeah you dont want to dot everything anymore really.
if there was 20 mobs
you still just CT twice
real pike
Scent of blood is still a thing or nah? I have barely played prepatch
glad snow
Yeah you are missing 10% energy so you will run out of energy faster but, the op...
What is the reason behind double garrote ?
waxen oyster
it feels fine on beta
glad snow
Oh right
waxen oyster
prepatc is like who cares
trim monolith
Yeah you are missing 10% energy so you will run out of energy faster but, the op...
okay this makes sense and is what im doing rn. I guess i just gotta get used to, aleast right now, when packs are still alive, and im outta energy that im just sitting on my hands till i get it back up.
real pike
to extend it
Surely pressing it 2 globals in a row just extends by 1 sec? Am i missing something
glad snow
Nah
marsh fjord
Surely pressing it 2 globals in a row just extends by 1 sec? Am i missing someth...
30% pandemic gets added to the new garrote
glad snow
It's like 6s
waxen oyster
keys on live feel giga useless
real pike
30% pandemic gets added to the new garrote
Even without being in pandemic window?
Holy learning day
marsh fjord
okay this makes sense and is what im doing rn. I guess i just gotta get used t...
yeah. just dont spam to CT to much, and do the bleed accordinly and you will be fine.
trim monolith
thanks guys
waxen oyster
hasnt pandemic always been like that
glad snow
Man Blindside procs on ST feel so good, I wish we could've take it on M+
marsh fjord
Even without being in pandemic window?
waxen oyster
call me crazy but i felt double garrote in opener has always existed in tunings where garrote did relevant damage
celest ruin
also double rupturing to make that exsang hurt
waxen oyster
exsang had 2 relevant periods
both propped up by going super fast
nyalotha haste corruption+s3 sl venthyr
marsh fjord
call me crazy but i felt double garrote in opener has always existed in tunings ...
Yeah. now you do it to just get a longer improved garrote. but yeah damage wise its also nice.
celest ruin
using exsang after deathmark and your 2 min cds get griefed peak gameplay
grim jay
waxen oyster
Yeah. now you do it to just get a longer improved garrote. but yeah damage wise ...
you could have last season
i just dont think the damage was worth
marsh fjord
you could have last season
yah last season we double garroted with IC
real pike
It was our builder for all of IC iirc
waxen oyster
yah last season we double garroted with IC
thats just in keys though
marsh fjord
thats just in keys though
yeah
balmy condor
When you proc the apex you just immediately go
There’s no reason to hold for anything
marsh fjord
When you proc the apex you just immediately go
I was more under the impression that if you drop the 5 stacks and you don't have enough energy to chain 5 envenoms you pool a bit.
balmy condor
Nah
amber maple
Test
severe meadow
Test
wooden basin
Test
wooden basin
GarfTest
🎙️
sharp viper
Mic check 1 2
coral ibex
test
wooden basin
runic hinge
Test
night cipher
is this the paladin discord ?
balmy condor
Yeah except all the shit that makes the Paladin discord insufferably cringe
We’re double cringe
UBER CRINGE
severe meadow
Yeah we got all the femboys here
runic hinge
And furrys
balmy condor
Paladin discord might shut down random fuckass channels and decide to donate to charity in the name of the deceased without contacting the estate
But we have deathstalker
And that’s worse
runic hinge
latent kernel
anything important happening during this maintenance today?
subtle kiln
But we have deathstalker
Ez. Shut down the discord.
pure tide
takin a huge dab
mint urchin
Ez. Shut down the discord.
That only works when people play the class lol
subtle kiln
That only works when people play the class lol
Perfect. Rogue deleted.
balmy condor
True, but they’re really bad at their job cause rogue is the best it’s been
wooden basin
But we have deathstalker
If paladin had as big of a dog shit hero spec as DS they would storm Irvine
balmy condor
It’s like double negative
wooden basin
Feelsbadman
normal mist
True, but they’re really bad at their job cause rogue is the best it’s been
Have you enjoyed all 3 specs with the beta testing?
subtle kiln
thats what the rogue dev has been trying to do
all three rogue specs are likely the best place they’ve been in as a whole going into a new expansion. sheesh sub even got bug fixes and all of their talents with more than a couple weeks to spare.
balmy condor
Have you enjoyed all 3 specs with the beta testing?
Yes
wooden basin
It is certainly a time for rogues, what time it is tbd
subtle kiln
they all have room for improving, but we’re eating good so far
wooden basin
If they fix DS mark ill go full hopium
pure tide
they should nerf paladins more and ill be happy
wooden basin
they should kill boomkins
subtle kiln
If they fix DS mark ill go full hopium
what are you expecting them to fix when it was intentional
wooden basin
what are you expecting them to fix when it was intentional
well, if they make it not stupid!
subtle kiln
it's design friction 
and gives you something to track during the downtime of 40 apm gameplay
sharp viper
Ez. Shut down the discord.
Shut down ret discord until we get rogue fixed
normal mist
That would definitely work, right?
subtle kiln
shut down hunter discord
mint urchin
Leave my surv channel alone, just kill off BM and MM
marsh fjord
wooden basin
fallow canopy
eliminate boomkins
latent kernel
anyone have the issue where you cant enter a name for the cdm import
worldly sail
where plater
right here
humble verge
right here
worldly sail
pliant remnant
haughty flicker
damn he cool af
celest drift
surreal flare
Yeah but is that enough to make up for the lack of energy still?
subtle tundra
????????????????????????
lethal turtle
Is the apex still bugged?
subtle tundra
@balmy condor are you still sane from all the energy complaints
flint tusk
where is pin Whispyr?
lean plover
Yeah but is that enough to make up for the lack of energy still?
lack of energy is he design of the spec
flint tusk
strange onyx
@balmy condor drinks energy juice so he is never out energy
surreal flare
lack of energy is he design of the spec
I mean sure but it just feels awful. Sub feels great and outlaw feels great. The downtime assa has compared to both others is crazy.
lean plover
well some people like it
severe meadow
I mean sure but it just feels awful. Sub feels great and outlaw feels great. The...
Is this a pre patch or beta complaint
lean plover
assa is supposed to be slow
surreal flare
Plus I also hate CT for how much energy it uses for the lack of spread you get also wild.
flint tusk
Sounds like you should just play another faster paced spec 
surreal flare
Is this a pre patch or beta complaint
That’s why I’m playing outlaw/sub lol
severe meadow
That doesn’t answer my mf question
vestal wren
I mean sure but it just feels awful. Sub feels great and outlaw feels great. The...
you mean in pre patch or beta?
surreal flare
And you think I care? Cause mine didn’t get answered either
surreal flare
Was the tuning enough to make up for the lack of energy and make it a bit more competitive to outlaw/sub?
severe meadow
Your question did get answered btw
surreal flare
I played assa all last xpac loved it
severe meadow
It’s a slow spec
They’re not tuning it because “it lacks energy”
That’s the loop
lean plover
we dont know about tuning, its not finished
severe meadow
Pooling
lean plover
keep in mind tuning will keep happening until the raid launches
then after it launches
then more tuning
so who knows
severe meadow
It’s also different for pre patch vs beta
Which they didn’t answer two questions about
Pre patch we’re just not good rn
surreal flare
@severe meadow who hurt you brother? So angry … want a snickers?
severe meadow
<@93553108243714048> who hurt you brother? So angry … want a snickers?
No one, people like you are just annoying
surreal flare
lol for asking a question? And having an opinion that you don’t necessarily agree with?
That checks out.
severe meadow
I don’t care about your opinion, I asked a question you ignored that would’ve helped your question
It’s called a conversation man
Complain more or don’t
twilit lagoon
What does melee damage mean in this case? Is it just auto-attack with a different name?
twilit lagoon
I just wanted to make sure since they called out specifically auto-attack damage for other specs/classes
surreal flare
A conversation? Brother you are the one who started with the “insults”. My “complaint” is both beta and retail. Btw
severe meadow
They play different between the two
surreal flare
You keyboard warriors are something else. If that’s having a conversation to you then I feel bad for you.
near valley
ez solution: you don't like slow and pooling? -----> play the other 2 specs -------> profit
surreal flare
ez solution: you don't like slow and pooling? -----> play the other 2 specs ----...
Basically
severe meadow
Yeah that’s what we’re telling you to do man
runic hinge
Assa always been slow. It doesn’t even feel slower than it’s been. Idk what we’re doing here unless you started rogue yesterday
severe meadow
Yeah but do the changes make up for the lack of energy?
You’re not answering the question buddy
fallow canopy
runic hinge
Well the changes don’t effect energy at all
severe meadow
Lock the fuck in
runic hinge
So idk yeah we do more damage
severe meadow
Holy shit we got a winner
severe meadow
Goodnight king
runic hinge
Gn bby
halcyon flame
Just auto atack if u want energy
wooden timber
whats the state of pooling on beta? is it still slam envenom go crazy like ttk never left
surreal flare
I mean in theory it does affect energy. If you’re doing more dmg for the amount of energy you’re spending then yeah it’s worth it. Like any builder spender you want it to feel meaningful when spending.
wooden timber
or do you have to use brain
runic hinge
5 envenoms then pool for apex talent
wooden timber
oh ok
runic hinge
Something like that
wooden timber
Ttk is dead
on prepatch u play like ttk never left though
which is why i ask
i wanna pool
runic hinge
On prepatch you just slam cause no reason not too.
severe meadow
We don’t pool in pre patch
wooden timber
severe meadow
We don’t have apex
runic hinge
There’s charts somewhere
wooden timber
i was hitting a dummy and playing around apex on beta but i didnt know if i was like inventing gameplay in my head for no gain
or if it was doing something
surreal flare
Again I love the spec. @severe meadow sorry to have offended you so bad by saying it felt slower than before prepatch.
runic hinge
Idk I’m not scrolling. Maybe search whispyrs image posts
wooden timber
ok
runic hinge
There’s pie charts of energy impact
I don’t even think it’s that slow comparatively to before but idk I’ve mostly been playing sub for brain off 2 button spec
wooden timber
There’s pie charts of energy impact
ok i found them thats grim id hope pooling mattered more but at least its a gain
runic hinge
Better than slam to zero and keep going anyways
wooden timber
agree
also u just vanish right next to dm with improved garrote w current sin right
u dont care about old garrote duration ?
runic hinge
I’m not sure if we’re slamming on dm cd or if you’re saving to keep imp garrote for as long as possible atm but I’m not sure there’s a huge difference either way
I should keep up but prepatch is kinda whatever for me
I’ll care more in march
wooden timber
surreal flare
Yeah I tried it and compared not having the apex to having it on beta and just felt like tww sub instead super slow. Admittingly yeah I like faster paced things for sure. But atleast before prepatch I was always pressing something and I personally don’t feel that currently.
So was just trying to get a general consensus but uhh got scolded instead. Such is life. lol 😂
lethal turtle
Think you slam now at end of garrote bc bosses die in 1.5 mins
wooden timber
no i mean on beta
wooden timber
balmy condor
im curious how much apex impacts gameplay in an optimal setting
Envenom 5x then let it drop
wooden timber
oh ok
runic hinge
Yeah I tried it and compared not having the apex to having it on beta and just f...
I think coming in the assa channel and saying OL/sub are fast why is assa so slow when assa has just generally been slower than the other two is a weird complaint. Currently on pre-patch and prior to it you had zero reason to pool so you just spammed to zero all the time. On beta/in midnight, you’ll need to pool for your apex talent to kick in so you’ll just need to not press buttons every so often. Theoretically this results in more energy back from the apex. So maybe more buttons idk.
I’m tired
Gn
visual valley
is there a way to track envenom stacks now on b eta?
balmy condor
No
fallow canopy
Envenom 5x then let it drop
Is that a strict rule no matter what?
balmy condor
I mean if dropping envenom is going to overcap you on energy then you would just ignore it and envenom again
The entire point is that you get energy out of it
So if you’re overcapping, you’re not getting anything
fallow canopy
Right, ty.
night delta
Yeah, in exec especially you might get ambush procs in chain that lets your energy creep up
Also by "let envenom drop" this means you should ideally let the buff barely run out then immediately reapply as to not lose much uptime
chilly marsh
good buffs for sim on beta
fallow canopy
Kinda weird talent, tho havent checked what others have got. You kinda dont need/use it some of the time
surreal flare
I knew I liked rogues man… seems like all rogue mains regardless of spec are just assholes. It’s a fun time. My kinda people. Love you all.
chilly marsh
I knew I liked rogues man… seems like all rogue mains regardless of spec are jus...
you're... not wrong... rogues do rogue things in pvp xD
balmy condor
Beta tuning
Number go up idk none of this is worth talking about it’s like 5% or whatever in single target
spice surge
POG MASSIVE BUFF TO MY FAVOURITE TALENT DOOMBLADE
hasty viper
It always is because doomblade is the Best talent
balmy condor
Yeah when I think good talents I think Doomblade and Systemic Failure
night delta
Kinda weird talent, tho havent checked what others have got. You kinda dont need...
Yeah maybe adding a damage component to it would make its use case clearer
Though it would also make its rotational implementation more rigid
hasty viper
Systematic failure is what I call my raid team during progress
balmy condor
Yeah maybe adding a damage component to it would make its use case clearer
It has 10% envenom damage
spice surge
Yeah when I think good talents I think Doomblade and Systemic Failure
Ye we in #subtlety are very jealous of such cool designs
night delta
It has 10% envenom damage
I mean a damage component to letting env buff drop
surreal flare
I mean personally I feel like they should give it an energy regen component. 🙄
night delta
Like it would deal instant dmg or something
night delta
Idk, don't even think it would be fundamentally a good idea
severe meadow
How do you even begin to tune that
Shit some numbers out, nerf caustic and call it a day
balmy condor
Damage on envenom dropping would have to be strong enough to be worth dropping envenom for but also not strong enough to make it worth constantly letting it lapse 
What a balancing act
night delta
Would probably scale up to 5 times like the other part of the apex
Likely making the "get to 5 > drop" even clearer but also more rigid
So, meh
balmy condor
I don’t see the point in doing that
night delta
To remove brain from considering not droping if energy is high
balmy condor
But that’s what they want you to think about 
That’s literally the point
Can’t make a spec with a core design to manage a resource and then have them not manage the resource
fallow canopy
Why energy exist if energy doesn't matter 
whole sand
are we still spamming envenom
night delta
Hey, I was originally answering to a comment saying it's wierd and could be kinda unintuitive
balmy condor
are we still spamming envenom
In prepatch yes
whole sand
thanks boss
night delta
Again, really not saying it's a good idea, just that they would do that if they wanted us to not think about it
solar wyvern
# Beta tuning
Number go up idk none of this is worth talking about it’s like 5% ...
Erm excuse me mr assass but actually it is a 3% aoe buff not just St 🥸
balmy condor
Erm excuse me mr assass but actually it is a 3% aoe buff not just St 🥸
Humongous
night delta
I see the Systemic + Doomblade buffs as some kind of attempt to move Mut dmg up a bit in ST
lucid rune
rejoiceeeee
night delta
For... some reason. It's not like these talents were barely competitive in ST
Are they disputed for hybrid cleave/st specs ?
crude helm
Odds they accidentally buffed caustic by 3% again?
night delta
Haven't they fixed caustic double dipping aura buffs ?
spice surge
They did yes
night delta
Odds they accidentally buffed caustic by 3% again?
Then i'd say odds low
Like, 5cp env breaking coin chain low
ancient copper
hey, sry to bother u, cant find talents for beta, can someone link it pls?
haughty flicker
i was undecided but knowing the forums hate it i love it
severe meadow
whpisyr do we like midnight sin?
Yes
bronze pike
i was undecided but knowing the forums hate it i love it
something something crimson tempest should be a finisher again
cant dot more than 3 targets
Hopefully the devs are appreciating how fully–albeit, kaleidoscopically–this topic is being talked about here. Risking overexplaining how I feel about it (too late…), I’ll just go with my refrain of:
**
If anyone can offer a compelling argument for why, even in the context of the spec’s changes, Indiscriminate Carnage (and a reminder: it was a capstone, people) had to be pruned away for the sake of “simplicity”, man, I’ll give you a bajillion bucks.**
haughty flicker
spice surge
Hopefully the devs are appreciating how fully–albeit, kaleidoscopically–this top...
Because people didnt like the spec feeling like it was not working in aoe if you didnt get to stealth
bronze pike
its a forum copy pasta btw
steel parrot
guys, whats the best race for sin?
coral ibex
belf
quaint nimbus
belf cuz fashion
spice surge
Panda male because fashion
quaint nimbus
Panda male because fashion
Fair point
steel parrot
isnt nelf racial so good for rogues?
versed mica
isnt nelf racial so good for rogues?
It was great for M+, but now that stealth isn't a huge damage increase for some specs anymore, it's mid
steel parrot
i see, belf it is then lol
haughty flicker
versed mica
i see, belf it is then lol
Real m+ Chads play dwarf for stoneform
wooden timber
i like dwarf
haughty flicker
versed mica
i like dwarf
Hell yeah brother ROCK AND STONE
wooden timber
severe meadow
Human until the new race is out
crude helm
Vendetta tuning in the big 2026
spice surge
For some reason theyve tied some of those old azerite powers to the aura buff
So everytime they change the aura buff they appear in datamining
crude helm
I figured it’s shrapnel from old stuff, just funny
tawny shell
good day for envenom users
dusky halo
Just came back from a short break for the pre-patch. Is the assassination damage kinda low, or am I just washed?
severe meadow
Just came back from a short break for the pre-patch. Is the assassination damage...
Assa not doing great in pre patch, looks better in beta
jade abyss
Panda male because fashion
Female kultiran with bald head
tight ginkgo
✌️🏄♂️🏄♀️
wooden timber
wooden timber
✌️🏄♂️🏄♀️
how is that guy doing btw does he love new rogue
is he pleased as punch
unique nymph
How do these buffs look, any good?
tight ginkgo
how is that guy doing btw does he love new rogue
https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/u/Mafic-emerald-dream/activity he is still posting that's for sure
24.5k posts created
is insane
wooden timber
hes going crazy
tight ginkgo
I dont think I've even sent a total of 24.5k discord messages
balmy condor
Who is this
tight ginkgo
Mafic the peace surf surf person
tight ginkgo
<a:Thinkge:857927331967926272>
A good introduction to Mafic post: https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dark-times-ahead-for-rogues/1890235
Just a character who is very active on the forums :]
merry raven
same join date as Kelliste 🤔
balmy condor
What’s impacted strikes?
The last apex point
magic summit
50% more phys damage
lol thanks mate
magic summit
The last apex point
ah okey cool
lean plover
so it doesnt spatter
balmy condor
Correct
lean plover
🙁
solar wyvern
Whispyr is it correct to stop envenoming at 80 stack
I assume ye
In aoe probably not tho?
maiden burrow
hey folks do I use deadly/ amp poison or instant and amp for my lethals
night delta
deadly + amp
maiden burrow
ty
spice surge
If you look at the tooltips youll see that both deadly and amp do the exact same thing instant does
But also have extra effects ontop
lethal turtle
Blizzard should have pruned instant
night delta
uh, dunno
other rogue specs still poisoning their weapons with the lesser grade stuff feels like home
spice spire
A good introduction to Mafic post: <https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dark...
My goat librarian with the forbidden knowledge
Bless up
tight ginkgo
bronze pike
m ypersonal favorite rn is this one
royal lantern
BOOM OR DOOM? TELL ME NOW WHISPYR
NUMBER GO UP
coral ibex
NUMBER GO UP
tall jay
Anyone having issues upgrading gear ???
shy heron
Believe it or not it's just you
-# alright alright, it's literally everyone
autumn rover
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
tall jay
Hmm I tried this afternoon and still nothing
fallow canopy
BOOM OR DOOM? TELL ME NOW WHISPYR
CONFIRMED 5 BIG BOOMS 
!
wooden timber
is there a way to see implacable stacks on the cdm
or do i have to count to 5 in my head
marble hemlock
use your toes to count
pliant remnant
tight ginkgo
bliZzard ✌️ 🏄♂️ 🏄♀️
wooden timber
thorn thorn
@severe meadow What did they do to my precious kingsbane
sharp viper
What happened, is it NA dooming hours?
fleet whale
it's like 12:49 EST East coast NA people are sleeping
haughty flicker
jovial idol
Why would they be sleeping if it's noon?
What kind of weird lives do they have in NA?
junior yoke
Silly question. All the new changes are in beta rigth? I mesn, not gonna be on the prepatch
balmy condor
Whispyr is it correct to stop envenoming at 80 stack
As long as you won’t overcap
balmy condor
Silly question. All the new changes are in beta rigth? I mesn, not gonna be on t...
Yes
junior yoke
Aight, tyvm, we confirm I can understand what I read xD
balmy condor
Can basically ignore prepatch
magic summit
Yeye, I'm playing sub for the moment, assa feels like negative dmg
On pre patch sub is doing the most damage
magic summit
Yep, just for that I'm playing it
Yesh I had outlaw gear/Stats and wow I poped off lol I’m 150 and did 45k overall
If I moved gear to Hast/ver/mastery think I’ll blast
golden loom
singular feels so weak rn kinda weirdge
spatter still doesnt work for it right? or was that fixed
solar wyvern
no it doesnt afaik
marsh fjord
singular feels so weak rn kinda weirdge
Did you just spam envenom in this key char?
or did you wait
lavish wing
is assa in that bad state that 5% means nothing?
marsh fjord
after 5
runic hinge
is assa in that bad state that 5% means nothing?
If 5% were to mean something what would that mean to you?
I’m just curious
lavish wing
If 5% were to mean something what would that mean to you?
i meant more like do we need more or... i know its too early for real numbers discussion but in the past 5% was usually in the ok-ish range
runic hinge
i meant more like do we need more or... i know its too early for real numbers di...
I think 5% says that we’re close to where we need to be. If it was more I would be more worried they’re not near the tuning they want yet
Especially cause the aura was 3% and just some fine tuning on specific talents that work for ST is good.
magic summit
singular feels so weak rn kinda weirdge
I kinda like bleeds doing damage
solar wyvern
Did you just spam envenom in this key char?
depended on if i had enough targets for dashing fok + evnenom to infinite energy me
marsh fjord
depended on if i had enough targets for dashing fok + evnenom to infinite energy...
But what did you do in aoe
Did you just kept spamming env for caustic
or did you also drop in aoe
solar wyvern
Ye what else would i spend on
marsh fjord
Yeah obv but i was just wondering if you were dropping the stacks on purpose
or kept going
solar wyvern
i'd drop stacks if i had to reup dots
marsh fjord
Cool cool
marsh fjord
What was the overall
solar wyvern
149k
aoe is so weak but priority damage and damage within deathmark is very very good
marsh fjord
So kinda like a arcane mage vibe again
solar wyvern
yeah but arcane mage does damage outside of deathmark XD
marsh fjord
XD
solar wyvern
honestly i may have been cooking with sudden demise
that key was surprisingly good overall
marsh fjord
Did you try fatebound
solar wyvern
ye
solar wyvern
its numerically worse than DS unforunately
cause it certainly feels better
this was my bleed build key
W sudden demise
(its very bad)
marsh fjord
this was my bleed build key
What key was this
marsh fjord
Thats fine. who cares. i just like to do some investigation
solar wyvern
yeee
solar wyvern
this was a 17 magi
Ive noticed that if u dont have deathmark on pull, or only get 1 in a fight
its acutally just joever for u
marsh fjord
I haven't logging in the beta but why are the damage numbers so different?
marsh fjord
Wait the stat squish wasnt in that key?
solar wyvern
no it was
marsh fjord
Yeah but on the terrace its so high
look
54 mill
3 mill
Was confusing me for a second
solar wyvern
the pit log
marsh fjord
LOL
solar wyvern
hope that makes more sense LOL
marsh fjord
if i'm looking at caustic and just analzying the log it seems like caustic is doing way more on FB right?
Pit of saron is less of a aoe key then terrace i assume
solar wyvern
pits the biggest aoe dungoen in the rotation
marsh fjord
But yeah 44 and 48 mill on rupture is really nice. i like that bleeds do something
marsh fjord
pits the biggest aoe dungoen in the rotation
Really? i thought pit had def less aoe mobs then terrace.
solar wyvern
Sections of terrace are heavy aoe
but the first area is all 8 targets
or more like 6-10
and some smallies like the wyrms
marsh fjord
hmmm oke. did you had problems moving mark around in the dungeons?
solar wyvern
If i had no idea what my tank was doing ye
but terrace is pretty straightforward, find prio mob, garrote prio mob
in windrunner i didnt know when my tank was gonna stop or move
so sometimes i had to envenom a mob for 5 seconds
very annoying
sharp viper
Yeah fuck mark.
Oh hi mark
rigid sphinx
hi, does someone know how I can hide those poisons procs ? Tried in the plater buff/debuff, but it doesn't work :/
sharp viper
hi, does someone know how I can hide those poisons procs ? Tried in the plater b...
Check important buffs only
rigid sphinx
It maybe is tbh
balmy condor
for the entire prepatch so far it just completely ignored the natural blizzard blacklisting
the base game only shows gar/rup
but plater just doesn't care
shit addon tbh
use platynator
marsh fjord
for the entire prepatch so far it just completely ignored the natural blizzard b...
How you doing bro
balmy condor
awful
marsh fjord
How come.
marsh fjord
Damn, hope you get better soon
balmy condor
I hope so too man
rigid sphinx
use platynator
working better, ty
balmy condor
np
buoyant herald
life as a cat, the dream has come true
balmy condor
life as a cat, the dream has come true
if my cat has to suffer with covid I would cry
buoyant herald
Is catvid a thing
junior yoke
Yesh I had outlaw gear/Stats and wow I poped off lol I’m 150 and did 45k overall
I did not try outlas yet, I don't like the gameplay at all, but I may try it later this week
magic summit
I did not try outlas yet, I don't like the gameplay at all, but I may try it la...
I was in outlaw gear playing sub
subtle tundra
I've slept around 20 hours a day, for the last 3 days
fuck yeah
i wish i slept 24hrs a day for the next of all my days
junior yoke
I was in outlaw gear playing sub
Ow okay hahaha i gotcha
static glacier
sick as hell
Yoo sick together
Tbh you sound a lot sicker than me, thankfully since it’s bday today
nimble willow
Had a question from playing in pre-patch. Been reading all the guides and stuff, which make sense.
One issue I found when actually playing was that I seem to just burn through energy, and consequently auto-using thistle tea.
Guides and comments online mention assassination being slower. Am I playing wrong by basically constantly using abilities and should I be relying on auto-attacks a little more?
Coming from classes like warlock and DK where you basically just constantly use abilities, and don't really run out of resources.
balmy condor
you just spam and run out
static glacier
Had a question from playing in pre-patch. Been reading all the guides and stuff,...
!energy
!design
!haste
Damn Yall really did take the bot out back and did him dirty
For now we just run out, it is what it is bro
narrow cypress
Blizz keeps randomly making big changes and it’s too much work to update the bot 6x a day as they do things and everyone plays around
static glacier
A ton of commands got purged eh
runic hinge
Bot is dead rn fwiw
broken chasm
hi, does someone know how I can hide those poisons procs ? Tried in the plater b...
I have a similar problem as well were you able to solve it?
rigid sphinx
I have a similar problem as well were you able to solve it?
unistall & switch to platynator haha
snow hamlet
use platynator
can platynator hide poisons ?
balmy condor
it does by default like the default plates do
plater is bugged to shit and shows them when it shouldn't
hiding poisons is the default
snow hamlet
got it
onyx rock
it does by default like the default plates do
Are you still using platy ? 
onyx rock
Nice ! Hang in there hehehe
balmy condor
I just kinda gotta see how it is on launch with dungeons honestly and then pick from there
onyx rock
Yeah sounds good
marsh fjord
marsh fjord
do we need to blizzard timeline thing enabled so bigwigs works at all?
No you dont have to. mine is disabled
foggy mirage
xd this gif 
marsh fjord
xd this gif <:Joy_Stroke:1023438006067134534>
coral agate
I didn't know Symbiosis was still in the game and give to Rogues no less.
(I was solo when this appeared for me, so should not have been able to proc them)
gray hazel
Is details fixed? or is it still bad
spice surge
Idk what you mean by fixed
Literally all details does is reskin the default dps meter
It cant do anything else
marsh fjord
He means the damage meter didnt pick up all the damage
He just used to the word details i geuss
strange python
just came back after a while off, is assassination looking like a more deliberate melee spec in midnight? seems like a lot of others are super spammy now
runic hinge
@balmy condor hope you feel better pookie xoxo
little tulip
so uh after they fixed caustic double dipping why didn't they adjust it to 70% back in season 2
we literally got hit for 35% of our aoe damage ._.
balmy condor
we literally got hit for 35% of our aoe damage ._.
what?
balmy condor
just came back after a while off, is assassination looking like a more deliberat...
it is slow by design, yes
little tulip
what?
that wasn't a great statement when caustic got bug fixed it hit assa damage for about 20% from google
balmy condor
it.... didnt though?
mortal drum
AI google summary inbound
little tulip
so what did the double dip on caustic actually do for us
cause the damage in season 2 felt great outside of cds
balmy condor
our spec aura was 20%, so all ability damage was 20% more
caustic was doubling that
strange python
cool thanks. Actually not pushing buttons for a bit sounds refreshing lol
balmy condor
so caustic specifically was 40% stronger
little tulip
yeah it was neat bleed and that cleave build were both viable
royal lantern
what are you even talking about rn
little tulip
just well this season assassin felt a little noodley compared to season 2 so im just wondering with bad math why they didn't try to adjust caustic
mortal drum
they adjusted caustic in the inverse direction instead 🙂
little tulip
so to be a little more specific to the actual math they could have increased caustic by that 40% lost to the bug fix
balmy condor
20%
shy heron
balmy condor
where are you getting 35 from
balmy condor
bro is fighting numbers but the numbers are winning
little tulip
caustic does 35% of your nature damage? right?
balmy condor
yeah but that's irrelevant to this
little tulip
so the bug was doubling ability damage?
balmy condor
there is a spec aura
it increases the ability of everything
caustic in this case is a residual effect
residual effects do a percent of damage of something else
so if the spec aura buffs envenom, and then also buffs caustic
it's 2x
the envenom itself is doing more, which then naturally spatters more
and then the caustic itself is getting increased by the % of the spec aura on top of it
which is a double dip
so upon noticing that, they removed caustic from the spec aura list
caustic itself didn't change in any way, but because it no longer got affected by the spec aura
it essentially went from 42% to 35%
little tulip
yeah okay that makes sense
vestal wren
It cant do anything else
it had a lot of bugs, e.g. you could not resize windows, a lot of functionality simply broke, etc.
it can still do certain things, but only out of combat
rotund oak
It cant do anything else
storage? 
latent kernel
so upon noticing that, they removed caustic from the spec aura list
this was what caused the singular focus bug right
and still confused on if that interaction with caustic and singular was a bug and they fixed it by removing it, or if it was intended and they bugged it
remote badger
I’m sure this has been discussed but my mobile searching didn’t get what I was looking for. If Kingsbane and Deathmark get unsynced, Do I purposefully hold one for the other? Or just keep sending on CD until they eventually get lined back up?
balmy condor
this was what caused the singular focus bug right
yes
balmy condor
and still confused on if that interaction with caustic and singular was a bug an...
blizzard doesn't say
severe sedge
is pooling still a thing? just got back to wow , played alot in BFA
severe sedge
so deathmark kingsbane can be pressed low energy but 5cp?
no gain in pooling for it?
balmy condor
you don't pool for cooldowns at all
balmy condor
aside from the apex, no
severe sedge
thanks
do we refresh bleeds to not run out lets sy garr is 8 sec left
do i hold or refresh before pewpew+
balmy condor
you just refresh in pandemic
severe sedge
aight
knotty vapor
if anyone wants this btw https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/combo-point-counter
naive scroll
How's ST looking in midnight?
balmy condor
fine
coral ibex
if anyone wants this btw https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/combo-point-count...
sorry i use WANGBAR #WANGBAR #WANG
marsh fjord
bro is fighting numbers but the numbers are winning
Am i winning?
knotty vapor
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/wangbar-resource-bars
das a whole bar tho
i just puttin a number on da screen
for us VANILLA UI individuals
coral ibex
#WANG
knotty vapor
#penisaddon
gleaming geyser
i just puttin a number on da screen
number gang
knotty vapor
wtf
TIL you can giant bold letters by adding a number sign
and also that it is not allowed
wooden basin
balmy condor
Am i winning?
yes
balmy condor
and also that it is not allowed
that's cause you're a
Loser
Loser
Loser
Loser
-# Loser
slim copper
Sup boys
knotty vapor
that's cause you're a
# Loser
## Loser
**Loser**
Loser
-# Loser
ur lucky i went to moonguard, lettin u have your Best Rogue On KJ title back
thank me later
balmy condor
I'm not better than ipsa
severe meadow
alright im lettin u be second best again then
Just beat Ipsa guppo
knotty vapor
lmao
strange python
how annoying is poison order with dtb? do you want deadly on first? and does it keep the order when you refresh them
balmy condor
order doesn't matter
coral ibex
i dont think that matters
wooden basin
lather that shit up big dog
strange python
lower application chance on the second one?
coral ibex
also idk if ive ever seen that question
severe meadow
Nooj creeping in chat..
coral ibex
very interesting
balmy condor
lower application chance on the second one?
lower application chance on all
it's a global reduction
knotty vapor
holy shit if application order mattered that would be insane lmao
wooden basin
I wish I could rp putting my poisons on
knotty vapor
"they" means all, it would say "it has 30% less" if it were just the one you applied
strange python
i read that as the second ones having lower chance
severe meadow
Mochie probably knows how to
knotty vapor
yeah im a moonguard rp expert now
wooden basin
well ya they’re on moon guard isn’t that what they do there
severe meadow
Yeah
wooden basin
professional at the craft
knotty vapor
yup
strange python
well it can't say "it has 30% less" because it's talking about two things, so "they have 30% less" is gramatically correct since you are talking about the new lethal and the new non-lethal
brb larping my poisons
severe meadow
I know what he’s got going on in there
knotty vapor
well it can't say "it has 30% less" because it's talking about two things, so "t...
oh u right i didnt read it fully
strange python
yeah here i am like clicking off my poisons to make sure i reapply in the right order
knotty vapor
that is indeed awkward wording
strange python
lmao
knotty vapor
but u also gotta consider that blizzard wouldn't be that stupid about it
strange python
you sure?
knotty vapor
not intentionally lol
severe meadow
Yeh say that to mark change
strange python
didnt offhand shaman weapon imbues or w/e have the same issue
knotty vapor
re: mark change - yeah but that's gameplay, this is applying poisons to your weapon
that doesnt need mechanics lmao
severe meadow
I’d like to do a little minigame for my poisons
strange python
yeah anyway weird wording, thanks for clarifying lol
knotty vapor
make me win a round of tic tac toe to instantly apply all poisons i want
whole raid waiting as I fail miserably at beating the level 1 ai
vocal cedar
Hey. I was trying out Sudden Demise on live and it seems to be doing much less damage than it did before the pre-patch. Was it nerfed?
jaunty bluff
So for envenom windows, try to refresh it at 1 second left?
frank hollow
Hows assa doing on beta after buffs?
latent kernel
Hey. I was trying out Sudden Demise on live and it seems to be doing much less d...
crimson tempest isnt a dot anymore
thorn thorn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923750073499648/1292477218462634115/vl...
Bro they made ability kill
runic hinge
Hey. I was trying out Sudden Demise on live and it seems to be doing much less d...
Probably just weird scaling stuff
thorn thorn
https://klipy.com/gifs/ryan-howard-confused-wtf
KB died of ligma bro
Its so unfortunate
severe meadow
KB died of ligma bro
Holy moly I didn’t hear about this
Hey, don’t mind me asking, but what’s ligma?
severe meadow
latent gazelle
thorn thorn
Say what
normal mist
SAY THE THING
blazing totem
normal mist
haughty flicker
lmao
thorn thorn
<:xla:1283127722180087808>
thorn thorn
SAY THE THING
static glacier
https://imgur.com/mftGPmI
This reminds me of when my troll raid-mates told me I could glide over the holes as evoker (you can’t)
Had me all like
thorn thorn
CHANGED MY NAME TO BLUE SEE YA NERDS!
Bro
Sub isnt any better
Bro really said wow I wish this cake was a hot steeming pile of shit
royal lantern
we all can be misserable togheter
royal lantern
thorn thorn
What emotion do you think Whispyr gets from us posting that gif constantly
marsh fjord
He probaly loves it
marsh fjord
Makes his dick grow a little bit
thorn thorn
marsh fjord
if he wanst sick i would ping him to annoy him but now i feel bad for him
glacial thistle
Guys small question regarding the opener in aoe für fatebound
Step 7 saays build crimson tempest to 5 or if all targets have bleeds
that means I would have an almost full combo point bar, do I fan the knives regardless
balmy condor
if he wanst sick i would ping him to annoy him but now i feel bad for him
fever has gone down significantly
balmy condor
that means I would have an almost full combo point bar, do I fan the knives rega...
if you're at 5cp you would finish regardless
you're just choosing whether to build those combo points with crimson tempest or fan of knives
glacial thistle
Thank youu
balmy condor
What emotion do you think Whispyr gets from us posting that gif constantly
I'm pretty indifferent, sometimes it's funny, other times it feels like a forced bit to some extent
balmy condor
so we need to spam the gif more
39.4C fever yesterday, and today it's down to like 37.5
royal lantern
well, it is getting better atleast
but damm, 39,4 is close to the "you should be inside a hospital" range 
thorn thorn
I'm pretty indifferent, sometimes it's funny, other times it feels like a forced...
It fits in a lot of places
That gif projects a very wide array of emotions
severe meadow
That gif projects a very wide array of emotions
What’s the plan for the 14th twin?
severe meadow
I wanna do a DnD campaign so bad
I remember I played for the first time awhile back, I nearly died after my first turn ever
royal lantern
I wanna do a DnD campaign so bad
you suddenly realise how hard it is to get 5 people togheter every 14 days
severe meadow
On Valentine’s Day no less
balmy condor
but damm, 39,4 is close to the "you should be inside a hospital" range <:kekman:...
nothing that sudafed, a pint of ice cream, and 16 hours of sleep can't fix
marsh fjord
fever has gone down significantly
balmy condor
waking up at 1am and catching up on work cause I've been glued to my bed since monday basically
fucking 5:30am today
royal lantern
On Valentine’s Day no less
honestly, is that more of a NA thing? never really saw somebody caring THAT much about valentines day here
royal lantern
OUI
severe meadow
Depends maybe
marble hemlock
i dont speak italian, someone translate 🤌
severe meadow
If I didn’t ask gf to be my Valentine I’d probably get stabbed
marsh fjord
i dont speak italian, someone translate 🤌
Is spanish
severe meadow
Outside of that no
royal lantern
i dont speak italian, someone translate 🤌
lets ping zac
marsh fjord
how would i know if i dont speak the language
me neither 😄
marble hemlock
youd think latinas would speak latin, not spanish
marsh fjord
Damnn
balmy condor
then how do you know its spanish
OJALA QUE LOS MIOS NUNCA SE MUUUUUUUUDEN
marsh fjord
!rik
marble hemlock
sir this is a wendys
severe meadow
Can we not speak a little Spanish at Wendy’s?
balmy condor
we out here cryin in the clurb
pliant remnant
severe meadow
playing wow probably
I'll be your Discord e-kitten
fallow canopy
OJALA QUE LOS MIOS NUNCA SE MUUUUUUUUDEN
que le pasaba al whisperino
thorn thorn
I'll be your Discord e-kitten
thorn thorn
urban fern
Is there an audio bug where sometimes Envenom makes the sound for Between The Eyes? I swear I'm hearing gunshots and I'm the only Rogue in the group
static glacier
Bros traumatised
haughty flicker
urban fern
I'm like 99% I'm not crazy lol
cunning needle
Is there an audio bug where sometimes Envenom makes the sound for Between The Ey...
theyre in stealth
thorn thorn
https://klipy.com/gifs/cataaaaaaaa
sudden grotto
I'm like 99% I'm not crazy lol
could be an addon? I know there was a WA that did that before lol
balmy condor
I'm like 99% I'm not crazy lol
so you're saying there's a chance.....
urban fern
I'm gonna go to a dummy and see if I can make it happen
I'm not lying lmao
or maybe it's just VERY similar
balmy condor
I'm the wrong person to ask, I don't play with game audio 
idk, I see how it might sound like it
urban fern
or maybe it's Pistol Shot not BTE, either way it sounds like a gun to me lol
urban fern
I'm the wrong person to ask, I don't play with game audio <:KEKL:938540034276065...
I don't a lot of times either lol helps me focus
iron vapor
Is it just me, or is assassination quite shit in the prepatch?
In terms of raw DPS output for a class that in raid only does DPS
iron vapor
Ok, I'm glad I'm not going crazy
Sitting at the bottom of the meters thinking "I did everything right... What the fuck!?"
iron vapor
I have some self respect, I'm not going sub.
Oh, just looked at the apex talents, they'll make a difference!
latent kernel
In terms of raw DPS output for a class that in raid only does DPS
i parsed an 89 and was lower than gray parsing dks and mages, dont feel bad
thorn thorn
Nice parse broski
digital venture
seems right 
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
pog
balmy condor
Is it “pretty, not bad”
Or “pretty not bad”
Could go both ways with you in the guild
coral ibex
balmy condor
https://tenor.com/view/peepeepoopoo-mr-wonderful-kevin-o-leary-shark-tank-pee-pe...
Peepee, but! To a lesser extent, poopoo
coral ibex
signal karma
Does anybody have footage of assaas pov in a m+ key since the pre patch changes, I straight up cannot find any videos online over the last week for it which is strange
balmy condor
Does anybody have footage of assaas pov in a m+ key since the pre patch changes,...
Most of the high end pusher people are playing beta, and pretty much every theorycrafter and guide writer doesn’t care about prepatch
Would try to look up beta keys
Probably have more luck
balmy condor
I don’t think I’ve done anything on m+ tbf
So gameplay wise probably would need something else
tight ginkgo
hi whispyr :3
balmy condor
Helloing
astral current
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
lethal turtle
Prepatch clown patch
lament bolt
It's a month plus of nothing matters, but all the mythic raids are faceroll so filthy casuals like me can get mounts
haughty flicker
real
valid iron
why use crimson tempest after Deathmark + kingsbane and not before?
balmy condor
Cd more important
desert salmon
It feels managing energy while aoe bit difficult.
balmy condor
In what way
valid iron
Cd more important
just to press dm + kb quicker?
balmy condor
just to press dm + kb quicker?
Yeh
lament bolt
And not using expensive CT before KB ramp since energy is more of a concern than before?
harsh kiln
its just me or we're getting energy starved on st encounters?:
balmy condor
And not using expensive CT before KB ramp since energy is more of a concern than...
That doesn’t matter
spice surge
its just me or we're getting energy starved on st encounters?:
Youre not starved, you are playing assassination
balmy condor
It’s just literally press cds earlier cause it’s the most efficient button
lament bolt
Understood, no point trying to further optimize what's already optimal
balmy condor
It’s the same energy used regardless
desert salmon
Especially reaching 50 stacks when KB bit harder for me. Hmm...
balmy condor
If it happens it happens
If it doesn’t it doesn’t
90-95% of your applied poisons during kingsbane are auto attacks
Pray to your poison proc chance
whole sand
whats the addon people are using for the combo points? the alternative to sensei
whole sand
luckily so am i
balmy condor
Then it’s a banger
whole sand
hopefully it gets hp bar support and i don't need to frankenstein sensei in with it but its great as is
wild birch
Is CBk still bugged? (in pre-patch)
balmy condor
No they fixed it
naive scroll
What hero talents are ppl going on beta? See a lot of doomer posting about how deathstalker plays with darkest night so wondering if best to just play fatebound for M+ in the future?
balmy condor
deathstalker is like 2% ahead in m+ and fatebound is ahead in single target
so
most will be playing fatebound regardless
balmy condor
m+ players get rock fucking hard at the idea of boss damage
can just tell them it's big cocka ST very optimal
best of all worlds
lean plover
Did you say boss dmg?
hybrid jolt
i would play Fatebound 100% if trying to manage mark is only worth 2%
jolly stirrup
Since I don't really care about M+ and usually run in full guild groups where damage is not really an issue, i just turn brain off and go FB
little ginkgo
anyone with beta access give it to me straight is assa as energy starved as some doomers make it out to be, as a long time assa main im getting rlly mixed signals, also ct rework is goated
balmy condor
energy on beta is like energy on live but 10% more
so if you're dooming about live, beta is also doom
if you're not dooming about live, beta is not doom either
little ginkgo
so manageable
naive scroll
I tab into runescape mid pulls while energy regens
hybrid jolt
Since I don't really care about M+ and usually run in full guild groups where da...
oh in a guild group spec basically doesnt matter 😄 im probably eyeing up Sub for raid then sub statted Outlaw for m+