mythic fract and you only have 3 people over 30k?
#assassination
mint urchin
Is that a guardian druid at 5?
weak isle
feral no?
hidden crown
balance
hidden crown
details a bit buggy
hidden crown
he's pretty well geared
balmy condor
it's week 900 of the patch with uncapped crests, I would hope so
hidden crown
I wasnt farming in awhile
took a 3month break after getting heroic down
perhaps longer
balmy condor
what ilvl
hidden crown
151
balmy condor
mint urchin
You jumped from heroic to myth frac?
hidden crown
gg
balmy condor
things are adding up
hidden crown
waxen oyster
how slow is this kill jfc
hidden crown
2min and 42 seconds
balmy condor
yah I mean it's sounding like this is just a group of whatever undergeared and stuff
not max ilvl farm
balmy condor
really?
balmy condor
dimmy doesn't even have a p3 anymore
waxen oyster
hey excuse me
balmy condor
have to remember to press cloak on first rings cause you turned monitor off and forgot to move
waxen oyster
4:21 with triple buyer
mint urchin
have to remember to press cloak on first rings cause you turned monitor off and ...
Who really needs a monitor anymore
waxen oyster
no idea
i made the mistake on fract of not instant stepping knock
rofl
since who cares if it doesnt do damage
also nk died before his first set of smashes went out
hidden crown
You jumped from heroic to myth frac?
yea
we cleared almost the whole raid
the tunning made it easier
We're at Salhadar
royal lantern
actually does eating multiple rings even hurt
our biggest brained player, the holy priest
ate 2 rings
and had like 20% hp after that
thorn thorn
Fun fact about the audio assist function
idle radish
@balmy condor thoughts?
thorn thorn
If you enable every single function it will queue up every single trigger event, so after only a few minutes of combat if you disable it, it will keep talking for like 15 minutes
orchid pewter
<@167090536602140682> thoughts?
kinda hot
why are your button borders so dark? what does that
or is it just the dark icon pack?
orchid pewter
i see
idle radish
and now arcui compatability for my arcui gamers
whole snow
actually does eating multiple rings even hurt
You can still die yeah
lucid rune
Man…
I can’t see why any sin rogue mains would ever dabble with sub. They killed the spec
waxen oyster
I mean everyone yaps about how easy specs became
yet dont have logs to back it up
which is always a curious thing
idle radish
I mean everyone yaps about how easy specs became
a spec can become easier and the player can still suck
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> thoughts?
Can’t spell wangbar without W
balmy condor
Huge, can’t wait to update and have everything shatter
idle radish
BOOM
mint urchin
Thankfully you have a hotline to the dev
idle radish
i think ifixed the issue you were having when u first downloaded too
i didnt know u had to inclue libraries for addons, so the menu library probably wasnt on your pc
ace3
balmy condor
Probably not in the last 5 days I assume
waxen oyster
I logged in for an hour collected 250k from sales
logged out
idk who is deranged enough to buy 6/8
but why turn down free mone
balmy condor
Basically how it’s been going for me with mount sales
waxen oyster
Well obvs i was out for a buyer since yk
who needs atro
on week god knows what of farm
now that hunter got a real raid buff we’re back to worst raid buff
lime onyx
I can’t see why any sin rogue mains would ever dabble with sub. They killed the ...
If sub performs significantly better in raid, it’s kinda a must for CE gamers
lucid rune
Tuning yeah
waxen oyster
If sub performs significantly better in raid, it’s kinda a must for CE gamers
which honestly hasnt been the case all of tww
at least for 90% of CE players
humble verge
i mean
i was stubborn to sub
and outlaw
only played it cause "muh meta"
for forge and NK prog
also a bit dimmy then
but next tier i'll have to pivot to whatever performs best
lethal turtle
With these upgrade track changes in midnight feels like you auto send a dagger
balmy condor
you already auto sent a dagger previously
scarlet bay
and now arcui compatability for my arcui gamers
What texture pack is that again? (Specifically the energy bar and unit frame)
bronze pike
sin is bad because i cause things die to fast in world content so i cant spread my bleeds >:(
rework pls blizzard
hardy rapids
is kingsbane feeling really low dmg or not showing high up on details?
hardy rapids
I know its prepatch but im just wondering if its a me issue or just how it perfoms
buoyant herald
is kingsbane feeling really low dmg or not showing high up on details?
assuming ST and everything isn't being dwarfed by caustic spatter
im getting about 120-130k damage out of each use on dummy (not execute)
idle radish
someone update wangbar and lmk if its working for ya
thorn thorn
Snow
severe meadow
Didn’t save you any yellow snow unfortunately
frank trench
once im out of teas it feels giga horrible in AoE chain pulls i was in a priory 14 last night and i felt like i was starving to death. I don't mind the pooling but teas play like they play too big of a role.
its like if I am about to go into a huge pull do i have to play around not proccing teas on accident for the pulls before it....
hardy rapids
assuming ST and everything isn't being dwarfed by caustic spatter
Alright. Similar to mine
Thank you thank you
thorn thorn
Didn’t save you any yellow snow unfortunately
I had a horrible key last night
severe meadow
Surely ret isn’t that bad rn
mint urchin
Bro wtf was your surv doing
keen pecan
!wa
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thorn thorn
i was also doing a dangerous amount of trolling, 30k as a devourer rn is actually pathetic
But I spent the start of every pack and boss running for my life from aggro and either dieing or doing nothing
severe meadow
i was also doing a dangerous amount of trolling, 30k as a devourer rn is actuall...
Get back on your e-girl class NOW
severe meadow
How has this happened
spice sentinel
@balmy condor any thoughts to adding a UI channel to misc given the shakeup?
place for people to post theirs and imports, questions, etc
idle lodge
What are decent ST dps numbers right now?
spice sentinel
raid?
oblique sorrel
Whatever the devour arcane affliction lock unholy dk or fury war are doing
spice sentinel
yeah 60k+
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> any thoughts to adding a UI channel to misc given the shak...
nah, we got #wow-general if super necessary, but rogues are just so underplayed that it's not really something needed
none of our channels move fast enough to warrant like a new channel just for UI
it's not like it's interrupting or disturbing actual convos
haughty flicker
if i ever see a ui post interrupt my shitposting i will be very mad
balmy condor
9k legion won't grind itself bel get back to the mines
haughty flicker
5 more lvls
i bought strawberry farm tickets every week but was too lazy to use them
so now i have to use them all before they expire
buoyant herald
if i ever see a ui post interrupt my shitposting i will be very mad
thats why you shitpost about addons
hardy rapids
im getting about 120-130k damage out of each use on dummy (not execute)
On the raid dummy im only getting 56k. Getting it every single time. getting the max amount very quickly every time in the opener. do you think its my ilvl. Im only 143
balmy condor
ilvl definitely sucks but not to the point of missing over half the damage
but like, as long as you have your 2 lethal poisons, and cast deathmark -> kingsbane
should be good to go
press envenom a couple times
do you not have an on-use trinket?
buoyant herald
On the raid dummy im only getting 56k. Getting it every single time. getting the...
could be, im 167
sharp viper
should have been triple
full siren
where can i find beta talents assassination rotation?
balmy condor
whatever you do in prepatch
but when you envenom, count to 5
and when you hit 5
you don't envenom
full siren
huh
balmy condor
thats the rotation
full siren
im getting more combo points mutilating in aoe than fan of knives.
full siren
what do i do when i dont envenom??
balmy condor
you wait until envenom drops
full siren
this?
balmy condor
yep
full siren
even in ST?
balmy condor
5 envenoms, let the buff drop
repeat
especially in ST
in aoe it's much less important
full siren
you mean this?
balmy condor
yes
full siren
what if BL is up in aoe
balmy condor
then you'd ignore it and just envenom
no point optimizing an energy regen talent if it's going to overcap energy
crude helm
I’m so hyped to shiv in 1-3 targets
full siren
shiv is in our rotation?
full siren
thx whisper
tawny geyser
This thing about Envenom, I cant find it on Wowhead
full siren
its for beta
marsh fjord
This thing about Envenom, I cant find it on Wowhead
rigid tartan
you hit a different dummy and did 2x the damage?
I think the numbers come from the ingame Damage meter and that one does not show correct values and theres 2x factors or more between different otherwise identical fights. Warcraftlogs only seems to display correct damage values
marsh fjord
I dont know if this was the case because i read back a bit. but if you hit the dummies on the ground in dornagol they take some sort of reduced damage. but if you go up the pillar and hit that one you will do way more damage.
rigid tartan
might be case as well. But in our raids the openers with bloodlust sometimes everyone caps out at 25-35k and other fights 100k dps according to ingame dmg meter but in warcraftlogs the values are consistent between encounters
marsh fjord
Yeah i'm not surprised if the damage meter is bugged and does not include everything good thing logs is there to check tho
balmy condor
I think the numbers come from the ingame Damage meter and that one does not show...
yeah plenty of reasons why is might be fucked
subtle tundra
yeah plenty of reasons why is might be fucked
hi
royal hull
What is raid talent for single target boss?
balmy condor
What is raid talent for single target boss?
royal hull
Tnx
BTW I was wondering what do you guys think is the best rouge spec for raiding going into midnight
buoyant herald
whichever one gets tuned the highest in the next couple of weeks that isn't outlaw
balmy condor
with the added note that sub is 1:30 and will be better on fights where 1:30 is better
jolly stirrup
I personally will play Assa, but I will also get gear for Sub to switch if better, but I started as Assa, and I will continue as Assa
royal hull
with the added note that sub is 1:30 and will be better on fights where 1:30 is ...
What's 1:30
buoyant herald
cd timing
balmy condor
90 seconds written out in minutes
subtle tundra
90 seconds written out in minutes
hi
royal hull
I know that I didn't know what you meant XD
royal hull
I see
balmy condor
line up differently for fights
royal hull
I was hoping they would buff assass but I guess sub works too
buoyant herald
sometimes fights just need big damage at 1.30 intervals, sometimes they need big damage at 2min intervals
balmy condor
I mean, they're both good
buoyant herald
that can change whatever is "best"
royal hull
I mean, they're both good
Yea but assass feels really clunky specially with all the nerfs to the energy
buoyant herald
does it?
royal hull
It's so uncomfortable to play it
buoyant herald
man people raging in every channel about energy and im just not feeling it
royal hull
Always being low on energy is really fked
buoyant herald
but you're not
subtle tundra
then assa isnt for you babe
royal hull
Xd
subtle tundra
assa isnt meant to have infinite energy
balmy condor
season 1 midnight is actually already pretty fast for assa
like
well above average
royal hull
Yea but at least before u had Good regen with the venomous wounds but now it's even worse
real pike
50+ apm?
balmy condor
Yea but at least before u had Good regen with the venomous wounds but now it's e...
it's.... not though
it's better
buoyant herald
now you have good regen with apex talents 🤷♂️
balmy condor
the apex doesn't give that much
buoyant herald
but it reads like it should, and thats enough for me
royal hull
Then I guess I'm wrong then maybe it does feel good
But when I compare it to outlaw it just feels rly slow
subtle tundra
the highest apm spec?
buoyant herald
here we go
balmy condor
to one of the fastest
royal hull
Xd
royal hull
Ikr
balmy condor
guess we'll never know!
royal hull
😂
buoyant herald
slow is good, aligns better with my mental
runic hinge
Compare Assa to feral
Better comparison. Both specs pool
At least feral used to pool idk if it still does
scarlet orbit
Did not look to much at it in midnight but what i saw they want to purposely be on low energy to cast chomp which just deals insane dmg and is only usable on low energy
midnight atlas
outlaw gonna be better because its not tied to this 90s - 2 min crap 
vestal wren
I wonder why the feel different
did not feel diffrent to me
i found one trick, all specs feel the same
ill sahre this one trick with everyone
(i am just joking, don't use the obr)
buoyant herald
outlaw gonna be better because its not tied to this 90s - 2 min crap <:Kappa:675...
not sure if joke but that's literally the reason outlaw is usually worse
subtle tundra
ill sahre this one trick with everyone
whats that
vestal wren
the icon for the one button rotation
balmy condor
ill sahre this one trick with everyone
real af
midnight atlas
subtle tundra
its very good when you are sitting on the couch, and doing delves on the tv 👍
blocking you
grim jay
blocking you
It was the "doing delves" part right?
severe meadow
couch gaming? peasantry
One of our dks walks on a treadmill all raid
It’s always funny when he talks and is out of breath
marsh fjord
It’s always funny when he talks and is out of breath
Maybe he should walk more if hes out of breath
severe meadow
Maybe he should walk more if hes out of breath
lucid walrus
Is blind still aoe or nawwww
blazing totem
coral ibex
fallow canopy
humble verge
One of our dks walks on a treadmill all raid
out of breath on desk treadmill 
fallow canopy
Hey man playing dk is exhausting
weak isle
merry raven
(i am just joking, don't use the obr)
what if i bind obr to unlocked mousewheel and just let it rip?
vestal wren
whatever makes you happy
jolly stirrup
sly kettle
Which poisons should I be using for which content?
I currently have Instant / Deadly / Wounding.
gleaming geyser
Always deadly poison, if you run dragon-tempered blades, amplifying second
sly kettle
Is there ever a use-case for the others, like PvP?
severe meadow
PvP probably has different uses for the utility poisons
As for pve Theres not too much variation
weary stump
The answer is truly that pvp isn't real
vestal tapir
can I use plater / platynator to make my nameplates a certain color if they're missing rupture + garrote?
sly kettle
And for good reason IMO
crude helm
Well fwiw
You don’t really need to track when bleeds fall off
Refresh bleeds -> Hit crimson tempest a couple times and your good
lucid walrus
Do we lose AoE blind in midnight?
merry raven
yep 🙁
lucid walrus
Bruhhhh hopefully they don’t realize
royal lantern
adds AoE blind in TWW because everything has AoE cc except Rogue
removes AoE blind in Midnight while not really reducing AoE cc anywhere else
truly a blizzard moment
buoyant herald
Depends how much you pull
Blind is a pure interrupt though, like it’ll get broken instantly and it won’t lock out spells
gray raven
Sure but that's always been the case - if you're hitting some break point where you have to triple pull in order to time that's another thing, but that's going to be at the extreme high end. In terms of us regular mid 3k players my understanding was we would not need to coordiante AOE stops as we did this last season
buoyant herald
Yeah that’s my issue with it as well
There are less casters in general but that just means you pull as many as you can handle still
severe meadow
Now we blind a random caster so tank can pull more
gray raven
maybe, but if we're working on resilent 15s/16s I'd personally rather just time it than have to do some multi caster pulls unless we have to do that to time
buoyant herald
Tbh you’ve never had to do that just to time except at the literal WF key level
Except maybe priory lol
gray raven
i can think of some pulls in Rookery that was required to time
yeah priory too
tbh that is about where i lose interest anyway, past 16/17 it turns into another type of game and i'm not sure i like that one lol
sacred oyster
does blind work on the alarm siren things in ara?
severe meadow
Yes
blazing totem
>adds AoE blind in TWW because everything has AoE cc except Rogue
>removes AoE ...
don't forget that hunters gained AoE stop basically for free
while historically that class had ok utility while also being lust class for m+ purposes
but they remove ours lol
mint urchin
don't forget that hunters gained AoE stop basically for free
What AOE stop? Intim?
blazing totem
yes
blazing totem
3 targets more than waht rogue can do
mint urchin
Sure but most won't even run it
blazing totem
I will take take aoe blind if it's only 4 targets, thank you
mint urchin
It just functions basically as a ST stun if you can't control what else it stops
So you would just take reduced cd
blazing totem
well they did lose bursting so I guess they are not that better off actually
mint urchin
And knock up trap
blazing totem
still doesnt make sense why they rob rogues of the one thing that made them somewhat ok in this department
what does rogue bring now
shroud?
lmao
pliant remnant
The chad 5-target Intim, a better Hunter's Mark and lust versus the virgin Atrophic/Numbing Poison
'cause fuck these piss-coloured dick 'eads
blazing totem
in retrospect, hunter wasnt a good comparison xD
merry raven
make iron wire spread again
frank trench
That’s kinda my hang up with rogue love the class, but I bring nothing. I could be a ret with the same 3% DR and also bubbles, sac and combat Rez, or be a hunter, shaman, evoker, mage with more cc and bloodlust, even warriors have battle shout and better cc, monks get leg sweep and ROP and meele buff. I have a hard time justifying bringing myself.
At least we can stop enrage
static glacier
That’s kinda my hang up with rogue love the class, but I bring nothing. I could ...
you do bring something - self sufficiency
people might not value it from a meta perspective but it is valuable.
mint urchin
Rogue really isn't bad, it's kit lacks "meta" utility, but it does have a bit of everything. Losing AOE blind does hurt tho
I've used stuff like sap and shroud this last season, not like "omg super skip" but it can make a key easier
runic hinge
I’d rather play rogue cause everything else feels like shit to play
buoyant herald
I’d rather play rogue cause everything else feels like shit to play
too real
i was setting up a bunch of prospective alts last night and i hated almost everything else
runic hinge
Idc about utility imma do damage and press my buttons and press cloak and ignore mechanics and be the last one alive for every wipe
zenith tree
Idc about utility imma do damage and press my buttons and press cloak and ignore...
Favorite thing about rogue is being alive at the end of a wipe and trying to vanish to avoid repair bill
spice surge
Not dying is a pretty good characteristic
mint urchin
It is nice
spice surge
As long its coded as AoE we wont die, but alas theres a bunch of stuff in keys that typically arent coded as AoE
(you'd think that if it hits multiple people its an AoE ability and likewise the opposite with ST abilities, but no)
stray ridge
Heya, do we really play now Fatebound but in Midnight again Death Stalker? I am confused and i dont really like Fatebound ^^
spice surge
Theyre still tuning stuff so it could change
weary stump
Our fates are bound to it
mint urchin
As long its coded as AoE we wont die, but alas theres a bunch of stuff in keys t...
I mean a lot of the time we run elusiveness on keys so it feels less bad but still big true
spice surge
Yeah but 20% is not always enough to make sure you never die, whereas 40% is most of the time
mint urchin
No for sure, but at least it is something
It def felt better on outlaw when paired up with high vers stacking
pearl dragon
2 really nooby assa questions - improved garrote - does this also apply the improved version when out of stealth for the duration, or just remove the CD?
also
Crimson tempest, is this just a skill issue or is there like... an addon that lets me know when everyone is dotted lol - I know that sounds dumb but I feel like I'm either over or under spamming it
I fucking suck atm on this spec
subtle tundra
so if theres 3 enemies
you use it once
if theres 5 enemies
you use it
erm
idk...
orchid pewter
mint urchin
2 really nooby assa questions - improved garrote - does this also apply the impr...
So Whispyr did some sims with CT and at certain target count it's actually just a damage gain to just use CT. Even when not at target count it's like a 1-2% dps loss to just CT. You could honestly just spam CT and not worry about it if you wanted
pearl dragon
unironically huge ty
frank trench
In higher keys what are yall doing. Just getting as many bleeds out and not focusing on envenom as much? Im having some issues when I run out of teas. So like do you play around tea?
For a next big pull?
sacred oyster
im only in the 10-12 key range, but i just use fok/env when energy allows once you run out of the burst energy. ive been questioning myself if CT spreading is more dps than env , ie if hit max CP on a siingle CT at start of pull when still needing to spread bleeds, is it more dps to dump envenom vs just CT'ing 2-4 times before envenom dump loop
latent kernel
im only in the 10-12 key range, but i just use fok/env when energy allows once y...
you should never be overcapping combo points just to spread bleeds, most of your damage comes from caustic splatter which is directly tied to envenom
sacred oyster
you should never be overcapping combo points just to spread bleeds, most of your...
thats what i figured, was ultimately the question
latent kernel
and also being geared and only being in the 10-12 key range wont really show you sin rogue full damage profile because mobs have so little hp
like the buff from zoldyck recipe is huge when mobs live longer
especially if you vanish to re-apply an improved garrote and it can fully tick in that window
plus if everyone in your group goes giga-burst on first pull like floodgate for example, most of your dmg doesnt even start ramping until youre able to max the scent of blood stacks up to 20% additionally agil
basically what im saying is that if your group is geared in that key range, frontloaded classes will look absolutely insane compared to sin rogue because of kill times
sacred oyster
that def lines up with what i feel lol. im like ffs whys this frost mage with 15 ilvl behind me pacing me
mint urchin
12 keys literally feel like a +2 with a geared group right now
You won't be able to do much in how short the pulls are
latent kernel
also sin tends to scale a lot better with higher pull counts than other classes do, our caustic is target capped, but the bleeds are not so if youre in a 12 with noob tank pulling nothing, youre gonna get dusted by that arcane mage
sacred oyster
was more lower keys for that frost mage, some people switched to alts so yeah even quicker dieing on 5s
balmy condor
In higher keys what are yall doing. Just getting as many bleeds out and not focu...
I mean, getting bleeds out and envenoming are not mutually exclusive, you do both
But yes, it is most efficient to bleed everything
balmy condor
Heya, do we really play now Fatebound but in Midnight again Death Stalker? I am ...
With whatever tuning exists on beta right now, deathstalker is very slightly ahead in m+ to the point where it’s probably not worth playing
Like the fucking headache of the mark
For 1.5% dps or whatever it is
proven jasper
With whatever tuning exists on beta right now, deathstalker is very slightly ahe...
Yo grats on lead wowhead guidewriter btw
balmy condor
Just isn’t worth it for 99.9% on people
balmy condor
Yo grats on lead wowhead guidewriter btw
Thank you
proven jasper
Huge W for femboys
balmy condor
If you have issues with any of the guides, just make sure not to let me know because I don’t wanna have to deal with some fuckass restoration warlock
shy heron
Huge W for femboys
it's a win for everyone, including femboys
proven jasper
truth…
shy heron
severe meadow
Huge W for femboys
@thorn thorn W for you
balmy condor
put xal’atath toes into the SEO banners
frank trench
you should never be overcapping combo points just to spread bleeds, most of your...
I think this is where my CT being a combo spender raptor brain is coming in. I think I get so focused on spreading the bleeds that I am forgetting to envenom and it might be crushing me
severe meadow
Caustic spatter do be doing a lot of damage
thorn thorn
<@209386846365548545> W for you
win for you playa
frank trench
I’m like hey….i just cast ct 5 times on this giga pull…..wait how long was i at max cp 🤣
lime onyx
New CT feels sooo good compared to IC imo
severe meadow
Biased a bit because I liked bleed build
And I think SD isn’t too far behind, maybe it’ll be good with more tuning
frank trench
I wish bleed out was more impactful 🙂
Or used
Sudden demise had such big dopamine hits.
frank trench
Yeah its bonkers how expensive it is
signal karma
Bit confused with some of the reworked stuff. Does crimson tempest spread to a flat amount of mobs with each cast? Or is it every bleeding enemy spreads it, scaling up with each cast?
spice surge
spread to 2 mobs per cast
signal karma
Gotcha, thanks
amber maple
Whispyr I am watching your episode on the brutally honest podcast
When we get some extra points for going level 90 will it cost a lot to get sudden death?
severe meadow
Whispyr I am watching your episode on the brutally honest podcast
@balmy condor this guy is watching your episode on the brutally honest podcast
amber maple
<@167090536602140682> this guy is watching your episode on the brutally honest p...
Yes its true
balmy condor
When we get some extra points for going level 90 will it cost a lot to get sudde...
The spec points go directly into the apex talent
amber maple
So we dont get any extra points in reality?
I swear blizzard told us we would get some extra points for more utility and cool stuff
severe meadow
Apex is technically optional
balmy condor
That’s the 3 points on the class tree
You get 3 on class, 3 on hero, 4 on spec
The 3 on class can only go to the top 2 gates
amber maple
It was at one of the things where the guys stand on stage and talk about upcoming stuff and they said we would get some extra points
Oic
balmy condor
The spec points can go anywhere, but the apex talents are too strong to ignore
severe meadow
I hope you like Kingsbane, buddy
severe meadow
Nah builds are pretty tight again, not too much variation rn
amber maple
Is there something wrong with it?
severe meadow
It good
amber maple
I like the assassination cooldowns
The red one with thats like 3 minutes with the white scratch marks and the kingsbane
severe meadow
Deathmark
amber maple
Yeah deathmark
balmy condor
I think part of the midnight changes was making specs less flexible build wise
Like for single target you don’t even need a guide for talents
Cause you deadass just get everything
If you blindly pick every non-aoe talent
You’re within like 2%
amber maple
I want to try outlaw but I am 99% sure I will just play assassination. It feels way better than sub. I swear I never have energy with sub and the backstab move sucks. The only power is in the finisher move
severe meadow
Outlaw got punched on the head recently
amber maple
In.. a cool way? Or it sucks now?
severe meadow
Bladefurry got nuked a bit
severe meadow
I don’t personally know how big the impact was but Zac was on demon time
amber maple
If you blindly pick every non-aoe talent
I do kind of like this
severe meadow
Real, that’s why I don’t know if it’s that bad
amber maple
But I often find myself wanting the walking fast when invisible talent
severe meadow
It sounded bad
amber maple
I just like to go fast
balmy condor
Real, that’s why I don’t know if it’s *that* bad
I think it’s fine, like the caustic nerf is basically the same thing
It sounds bad
But like giga aura buff
amber maple
25% more speed when stealthed is so good (to me)
severe meadow
Yeah and honestly caustic was doing a lot of damage xd
I told my friend in voice that it was likely going to be tuned
amber maple
Has assassination gotten the 10% buffs yet? I didnt actually read the rest of the patch notes so idk or other specs got anything
Do the numbers even matter right now?
We dont have like raid bis or 4 piece tier or anything yet
balmy condor
The 10% was beta
amber maple
Oh ok
balmy condor
Prepatch is not tuned
amber maple
That makes sense
balmy condor
Like purposefully avoided tuning
But people still are like “oh assa bad in prepatch so it’s bad in beta”
amber maple
Like purposefully avoided tuning
Yeah honestly no point tbh
balmy condor
When they’re completely different 
amber maple
I dont feel bad in pre patch
This patch made me like rogue again and I find it compelling and fun
balmy condor
I mean prepatch itself is such a joke that it probably obscures it
amber maple
And I feel strong because I can control fights really well and my toolkit feels like I can handle any situation
balmy condor
But assa is objectively dirt tier atm
severe meadow
Assa is realy bad rn yeah
severe meadow
At least in raid, I felt okay in m+
amber maple
I like the feint talent that flat reduces dmg by 20%. I like evasion. I like the cloak of darkness to remove all debuffs. Self heal. Lots of CC. Reset with vanish
I feel strong in pve and pvp
I can interrupt mobs a lot with dirt in their eyes or kick or stun
severe meadow
Hopefully blind doesn’t get fixed :^)
amber maple
Players too lol and if it gets bad just throw some dirt on them and vanish and reset
What's broken about it?
balmy condor
it's aoe and shouldn't be
severe meadow
Most do
amber maple
It seems like a really good talent
In fact rogue seems to have a LOT of really good talents
Which is why I was excited for more points
Lol
severe meadow
You sacrifice a lot to get something like sudden demise
amber maple
Yeah :/
severe meadow
Just not worth unfortunately
amber maple
In the midnight will we get that turbo charge talent?
That makes super charged combo points?
severe meadow
Supercharger?
amber maple
Yeah
severe meadow
I think we put 1 point into it
amber maple
Interesting
I do like recuperator too
Little mini sustain that is always up
And the leech poison
Rogue feels pretty sturdy
severe meadow
It’ll feel a bit better when we get apex for the energy regen
amber maple
Was that like snapshotting rupture? It seems like snapshotting isnt really a thing anymore?
severe meadow
It got turbo nerfed
amber maple
Ah gotcha
Well I read some talents
And I might be making this up
But I think theres some synergy where the more poisons and bleeds you have on target the more energy you get backb
balmy condor
that is how assa has always worked, yes
amber maple
So energy regen actually feels good in massive pulls in mythic+
amber maple
True
The crimson vial is energy hungry to actually spread out the bleeds and poisons
lean plover
used to be an aoe dot finisher
amber maple
Oh like the feral AoE rip one
lean plover
yep, more or less the same
amber maple
I do think its weird we have no aoe finisher
You aoe and then just.. Envenom one guy lol
lean plover
the new version is imo better, makes spreading dots more consistent
i mean why add a 2nd finisher to envenom, the spec
amber maple
Unless envenom has a cleave effect or something?
lean plover
caustic spatter
amber maple
Ah true
lean plover
so kingsbane envenom and your weapon poisons cleave in aoe
amber maple
Well good to know ive been doing it right
I play a maghar orc lol
I dont know if the racial is very good
lean plover
racials are whatever, maghar is a good one for dps tho
amber maple
I just like how he looks because I made him a laughing skull with the mask and everything
lean plover
great, its better to choose them for aesthetics
lean plover
unless you are clearing hardest content and need min max
amber maple
Hard to pick between orc or troll
lean plover
trolls are awesome but they got no feet tmog
severe meadow
Imo orc prob looks better in mogs
amber maple
My rogue started as a troll with two ghoulslicer swords in ICC lol as a combat rogue then he became a goblin in MoP
Since warlords he's been maghar orc
amber maple
The orc mogs are super good. You can get the blade fist to be a shattered hand orc
Or laughing skull mask to be laughing skull
Both are assassin orc clans
I am trying to make a dragonmaw orc mog but somehow leather is the one armor in the game that didnt get any dragon head shoulders or anything dragon themed
severe meadow
Uhh let me see if I can find an image of mine
This was a turbo fucked image I posted in here somewhat recently
It’s supposed to be all white
amber maple
What happened?
amber maple
I noticed my orc rogue has the alliance pvp boots for one set somehow and like idk how he has literally never been alliance
The Warmongering Gladiator's Boots of Cruelty
Theyre the wrong color somehow idk
haughty flicker
yeah since prepatch character select fucks up different variants of armor for fun
idk why it fucks up one shoulder but not the other though
amber maple
Thats so wack lmao
severe meadow
Looking cute bel
frank trench
Can we give assassination rogues an ability called assassinate that hits really hard as long as you have super low energy to use it. Oh wait we gave that to a cat.
balmy condor
yes
lucid rune
...even though I kinda agree with you... outlaw's prettyyyy fun...
even though I've been a sin lifer
frank trench
All rogue specs are pretty fun right now
lucid rune
You know... I agree. I was trashing sub, but it felt fine when I tried it earlier
a bit more zug zug, but not as horrible as I thought it would be
frank trench
So I was giga anti sub how easy rotation was then I ran it in a priory 13 and was like sheeeeeeesh this is fun af
wise creek
guys i'm strongly considering maining assa but it feel so bad to be so energy starved in ST..... does the apex talent fixes that ?
balmy condor
no
frank trench
It’s a feature!
spice surge
Not pressing a button every global is how the spec is intended to play
lucid rune
let those dots burnnnn
haughty flicker
spam detection while you wait
frank trench
I’m actually having a really hard time deciding which rogue spec I want to main :0
Which is rare
wise creek
so the deal is to pool energy once we dropped envenom chain right ?
lucid rune
I'm the token rogue in my guild currently. been a while since I've had luxury of dagger hogging
could be a red flag... because no one else wants to play it lol
knotty vapor
welp, since I can't make weakauras anymore I have learned lua and am just gonna make addons for myself instead. Made a lil combo point counter to start.
lucid rune
slick
knotty vapor
I'm pretty sure this was the exact sort of thing they didn't want people feeling the need to do
yet here we are
coulda been a weakaura
knotty vapor
I spent like 10 hours on this addon, most of it was learning LUA
vale shore
!fuu
prisma monolithBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
knotty vapor
but the rest of my UI is default
frank trench
lisonna for me was the goated goat of goats when it came to UIs for me then I would just customize for myself
A little here and there
It was so nice to press a button and be 98% vs having 13 addons and watching 10 tutorials to do what I could do with one thing
stray ridge
With whatever tuning exists on beta right now, deathstalker is very slightly ahe...
Dunno I have really problems with fatebound :/ Feels so slow and no damage
balmy condor
on beta?
lucid rune
...Deathmark isn't a snapshot ability right?
stray ridge
Retail
frank trench
Retail is basically a clown show right now
balmy condor
...Deathmark isn't a snapshot ability right?
no
frank trench
Just play to learn the new spec a little and get your ui setup
lucid rune
no
the last thing I'm struggling with is vanish and Deathmark desyncing, because I send Deathmark after my opening imp garrote... and don't vanish until it falls off
frank trench
In m+ I just assumed it’s good to desync and use it on next big pull :0
lucid rune
I guess they could line up again running to a pack
frank trench
If I know a huge huge hold all cooldowns pack is coming up I’ll lose a cast to sync
stray ridge
yeah there's your problem lmao
I dont have the beta so i can just play retail xD
balmy condor
I dont have the beta so i can just play retail xD
yeah well retail is not tuned, and beta is
so
you're not playing the same game numerically
energy wise they're similar, that's not changing
but you cannot make a single assumption about damage based on what you're seeing in retail right now
stray ridge
It just feel like random damage with fatebound dunno why
balmy condor
idk why you feel that either
mint urchin
I would 100% give up 1% dmg to never deal with Mark again in keys lol
Granted the garrote change does alleviate some of the pain
latent kernel
you either desync it entirely
Did blizzard mention anything about this pain point, kinda annoying
It just feels extremely clunky
balmy condor
no
spice surge
Considering it's been this way for like 10+ years I wouldn't hold my breath for them to change it
latent kernel
Well that’s dumb and stupid
haughty flicker
mild pulsar
is 17k a terrible dps on sim? I legit don't know what to do. start to think my stat distribution is just bad
wicked valve
I would 100% give up 1% dmg to never deal with Mark again in keys lol
The sacrifice is an even more boring, flavorless RNG hero talent.
I havent tried the beta, does the envenom apex help with energy even a little? I know its meant to be slow, but Im hoping its a bit better.
mild pulsar
in M+, should I spam FoK -> envenom or just keep energy filling, so it's easier to reapply dots if needed? I run into that problem alot where if the pack takes too long to die I'll have energy issues to spam CT all over again.
little tulip
keep ct up if 3-5 mobs drop garrote and live too long it gets weird
little tulip
it's a really good builder but it's not clear how much of a loss it is to spread a 15-10 sec rupture and then refresh and reapply it again etc
to keep the whole pack dotted
lucid rune
still getting used to CT with 1 bleed falling off close-ish to the other pandemic window... do I just spread the new garrote? or refresh that 10-15 sec rupture while I'm at it?
nova kelp
you mean given that all balancing is locked in and not going to change at all for the whole of midnight?
balmy condor
I mean last raid testing we were pretty okay
but bm hunter and windwalker were doing like
deadass 50% more than everyone else
and there's been 2 tuning passes since then
with no additional testing
throw a dart at the board I guess
knotty vapor
ah didn't realize there hadn't been a test in a while
balmy condor
they did the main set of mythic testing before the holidays
and then did a bonus test of 3 bosses 2 weeks ago
knotty vapor
is there a schedule or anything? Or just whenever they feel like it
balmy condor
they post testing schedules at the start of beta
do one round of testing
like thursday/friday heroic, then next thursday/friday mythic
and usually that's it
spice spire
balmy condor
and then took a week off for halloween I guess
knotty vapor
that november halloween
balmy condor
and then mythic testing was december 4/5/6
knotty vapor
halloween 2
knotty vapor
lmaoo
balmy condor
holiday
honest needle
is there a new plater u guys are using the old cev one not working its so small and can barely see it now and its not showing combo points
!plater
prisma monolithBOT
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Currently not available. Sharing UI's is not as standarized as it was with Weakauras.
For now, browse the following Blizzard HUD and Blizzard CDM imports on Wago:
honest needle
or does anyone have a plater i can use
i honestly hate all these changes and i cant get my ui to work correctly
buoyant herald
Uninstall plater, install platynator
Jundies profile is out there to import, it’s pretty good
buoyant herald
Plater hasn’t been updated well since the changes
Platynator is a new nameplate addon that popped up in beta, made by a trusted addon maker
Very very easy to use interface (unlike plater)
Definitely check it out, easy to import profiles but also very easy to adjust yourself
honest needle
@buoyant herald can u send me the cev or jubdies 1 for it its not on wago how do i find the import strings for platynator /
honest needle
i know we dont have weakauras anymore but is there anything to track or help me keep track of duration of my bleeds on the target i really hate how all this is gone
its horrible
golden loom
i know we dont have weakauras anymore but is there anything to track or help me ...
tracking it on nameplate / cooldown manager is pretty much the same as weakauras before
honest needle
ya but i want cooldown manager to track duration of bleeds
its not doing that at all
and the nameplate of dots on targets is so small i can barely see it to track it
@golden loom ?
golden loom
it does though?
honest needle
it does it on the nameplate i want it to do it on the cooldown manager
the nameplate is so small i can barely see it
golden loom
yeah as you can see on my cooldown manager, it does
golden loom
base CD manager, platynator with jundies profile
honest needle
can u send me jundies string for -platynator ?
balmy condor
turn it off and it's instantly an improvement 
honest needle
but also my cd manager isnt doing what his is
golden loom
what does yours look like
honest needle
doesnt track bleeds at all
just shows if i need to apply it or if its rdy to use
golden loom
guess thats an addon?
honest needle
using neph ui cd manager a skin for it
suppose to make it look better
but its not tracking anything correctly
golden loom
yeah idk, would just go default personally but it is what it is
honest needle
u use default ?
how did u make it look like that and make it fit perfectly between unit frames
golden loom
yeah the only addon is Sensei class resource bar for the energy/combo points
the cds you just move with edit mode / its already in the correct position pretty much
honest needle
this is jundies with playnator its still so small i can barely see it https://gyazo.com/c75a93af363ea09551441d618406789a
golden loom
this is jundies with playnator its still so small i can barely see it https://gy...
so go into settings
and then you can click the debuffs to move / change size etc
very easy to change settings with platynator
also it doesnt track useless poisons
honest needle
im trying to find where to make bars n debuffs bigger
do i click add widget setting ?
buoyant herald
The best part of platynator is that if you want to change the look of the bar, text, debuff etc
You literally just go into design mode then click on the thing you want to change
You don’t have decipher the right one of 25 different sub menus and aspects
honest needle
ya i like it just trying to find to make it cleaner so its easier to see the debuffs
buoyant herald
Click on the debuff. Change scale.
For the record I also made mine bigger from his preset
honest needle
and now do we just spam CT to apply bleeds once we put them on 1 target
untill its on all of them ?
honest needle
i got that working now i just gotta get my cd manager working correctly i wish mine does what yours does
buoyant herald
But like. Use your head. Don’t spread bleeds to targets that’ll die in 2s
honest needle
so on aoe once we apply gar and rupture to 1 target we just spam CT or do we still fok and envenom once applied ?
if mobs are still alot of health
buoyant herald
Only fok after everything is bleeding
golden loom
you replace fok with CT while you have tagets that need to bleed
buoyant herald
Again, within reason
golden loom
and then go back to fok cause its cheaper
honest needle
got it is it possible u can send me your string for your cd manager
maybe it will fix mine
golden loom
I can dm you it I guess
honest needle
id appreciate it
all these changes have been driving me insane and my Ui has been shit since
formal shore
!guide
keen quartz
Really sorry if this has already been discussed but Assassination feels to me like it's getting a lot less energy generation than it should? It seems a lot slower than last patch
Feels bugged at times
marsh fjord
Really sorry if this has already been discussed but Assassination feels to me li...
You dont have 10% apex regen, and yes energy regen is slower.
They did it design wise.
They want you in midnight to pool after 5 evenoms and think about your energy.
keen quartz
Cool! That's good to know it's something I can change then. I'm absolutely loving the Crimson Tempest change.
analog field
I don't feel it like ultra slow, ofc it is worse than previous season where you just had infinite energy in AOE
but atm there not many moments where you are ultra starving
marsh fjord
Yeah i dont feel like it's slow either. but it's def slower then before.
But that's what they wanted right.
keen quartz
Deathmark BEFORE Kingsbane right?
marsh fjord
Deathmark BEFORE Kingsbane right?
Yes.
ivory pine
Really stupid question here from someone who never plays dot specs. If i hit my CDs and get the bleeds rolling, if i hit my trinket after application, does the DOT damage go up, or does it only work if i have the trinket buff before i apply the dot?
marsh fjord
Deathmark BEFORE Kingsbane right?
marsh fjord
Really stupid question here from someone who never plays dot specs. If i hit my ...
No there is no snapshotting anymore.
analog field
Really stupid question here from someone who never plays dot specs. If i hit my ...
there is no snapshot mechanic
marsh fjord
there is no snapshot mechanic
😄
analog field
every tick is calculated by your current buffs
ivory pine
Ahhhh ok, so if I mis-time my trinket I can recover slightly
marsh fjord
It's all dynamic, so it doesnt matter if you press trinkets before or after
analog field
i mean the buffs you have at the current second
analog field
Ahhhh ok, so if I mis-time my trinket I can recover slightly
yeah just one lost tick, but you can macro to DM and forget
ivory pine
Dope, thanks yall!
keen quartz
Thanks!
normal mist
No problem
keen quartz
Its interesting seeing Fatebound being preferred over Deathstalker even after the change to marks being applied/w Garrote instead of Ambush.
Is that a tuning thing or does the hero tree just not give enough to be worth it?
normal mist
You can't move the mark around now once applied.
You gotta finish those stacks/kill the mob so you can place a mark again afaik
But idk if that's the whole reason to it
Fatebound received good buffs and it doesn't shoot itself in the foot anymore in AoE
severe meadow
DS is slightly ahead of FB in m+ but FB is way less headache without the mark management
civic trellis
i like switching targets
DS made me not want to do that anymore
i hate DS
also i am a gambling addict and flipping coins is nice
marsh fjord
DS is slightly ahead of FB in m+ but FB is way less headache without the mark ma...
What are the chances on fatebound that you will give me head?
marsh fjord
spice surge
Boggles my mind how they decided the best solution to the mark being annoying to move was to make it even more annoying to move
marsh fjord
Boggles my mind how they decided the best solution to the mark being annoying to...
Yeah it's actually insane
We asked for better management and somehow
it got worse
static glacier
Boggles my mind how they decided the best solution to the mark being annoying to...
it could have been a kingsbane modifier eleem
it could have been temporary
gray raven
After 3 seasons of death marking prio target, using focus for kicks playing FB is so enjoyable. I honestly don’t care what the Dps loss is now I don’t want to go back.
grim jay
I am happy I have atleast something to do
runic hinge
It should have been a self buff
runic hinge
They hate us
marsh fjord
They do
real pike
Its interesting seeing Fatebound being preferred over Deathstalker even after th...
I find it interesting as when the hero talents first came out the prevailing opinion was Deathstalker interesting and fun and Fatebound bland and boring
I guess that was more raid centric tho
I didn't mind FB in m+ because there is a lot more going on and APM
But that's been dialled back
glad snow
Guys how dumb is the concept of using a 1 combo point Envenom to force the stacking energy regen from apex when you need it
real pike
I really do not find the idea of empty GCDs while waiting for energy in m+ enthralling
coral ibex
i need time to tab out and refresh my afk mining in osrs
waxen oyster
I really do not find the idea of empty GCDs while waiting for energy in m+ enthr...
then play another spec
lol
complainining assassination has downtime is probably one of the dumber things
glad snow
Doesn't every Rogue spec have downtime at this point
waxen oyster
sub barely does
marsh fjord
No not at all
glad snow
Isn't it 2-3 buttons rotation?
marsh fjord
You backstab/strike, you need to press dance, you have storm, you have blackpowder, you have shadowblades.
marsh fjord
By Ret I meant builder->finisher
Thats also assa
that's also enchancement
makes no sense what you saying really.
Just because we finish and generate back to back makes it ret?
proven latch
rogue is also literally the original builder spender?
marsh fjord
Every spec has nuances to it.
glad snow
I didn't mean to insult Sub bro,
I enjoy all Rogue specs atm
One more than the other
marsh fjord
Don't get me wrong, i dont mind insults to specs that fine. but i just dont agree with the opinion
trim monolith
Yo, could someone help me understand how pooling energy actually looks when playing. I understand the idea fundamentally i think, but idk.
For example, in M+ after opening on a fresh pack, once we have spammed all our envenoms, and we are spent for energy, are we supposed to literally not click another GCD until we are back up to full-ish energy, even if bleeds will fall off the pack? then kinda reset bleeds, spam envenom, run out of energy and back again? Pls pick this apart so i can understand, I feel like I'm doing it wrong. thanks.
marsh fjord
Yo, could someone help me understand how pooling energy actually looks when play...
This is basically how it works.
You put bleeds up. you CT, you deathmark + kingsbane. you envenom 5 times. let the stack drop. and 5 evenom 5 times again.
when your lettign the stack drop is your downtime.
real pike
then play another spec
This response is one of the dumbest things
marsh fjord
even if you have energy you wouldnt cast anything
real pike
I am allowed to have an opinion about the changing style of the spec I've played and loved for years
severe meadow
I am allowed to have an opinion about the changing style of the spec I've played...
Nuh uh
real pike
Ok sorry
severe meadow
trim monolith
This is basically how it works.
You put bleeds up. you CT, you deathmark + kin...
okay thank for very much. super helpful
severe meadow
(I read nothing for context)
marsh fjord
okay thank for very much. super helpful
This is beta btw, this does not work on pre-patch
Just making sure
trim monolith
Got it. thank you
real pike
(I read nothing for context)
This is the internet, we don't do context here
glad snow
This is basically how it works.
You put bleeds up. you CT, you deathmark + kin...
stacks of apex right ?
marsh fjord
stacks of apex right ?
Yes.
waxen oyster
I am allowed to have an opinion about the changing style of the spec I've played...
assa has always been slow
marsh fjord
tuning wise will also determine if this would be the right cause of action.
wooden basin
probably not worth it damage wise
marsh fjord
Why don't we just use a 1cp envenom to force the stacks to go down ?
No idea haven't looked into that.
severe meadow
Wasting points and globals
real pike
assa has always been slow
Aoe/m+ has been limited by GCDs rather than energy basically since the rework
wooden basin
I also don’t think there is a hard number we pool too unless I’m mistaken
Meaning before we envenom chain again
glad snow
The apex stacks are not on cdm right ? I can't see it
marsh fjord
I also don’t think there is a hard number we pool too unless I’m mistaken
No. you just, wait for the 5 stacks to drop. and you start envenoming again. whispyr might know a certain energy number. but not to sure
marsh fjord
The apex stacks are not on cdm right ? I can't see it
nope.
not trackable at the moment
waxen oyster
Aoe/m+ has been limited by GCDs rather than energy basically since the rework
thats only since df s3
real pike
Ok so the majority of the time since the rework
waxen oyster
well argably you were kind of trolling playing sin in dungeons prior
marsh fjord
@balmy condor is there a number of energy you want to pool to after dropping the 5 stacks.
wooden basin
No. you just, wait for the 5 stacks to drop. and you start envenoming again. whi...
ya that’s the vibe I’m getting from playing on beta and it’s really not that bad. our autos and poisons do good dam
real pike
I wasn't, I was trolling dungeons playing sub/outlaw
waxen oyster
as long as the spec isnt as slow as agonizing poison era
its kind of fine
+playing the same spec with no changes for years is boring
marsh fjord
ya that’s the vibe I’m getting from playing on beta and it’s really not that bad...
It's still beta it will be probaly known when midnight releases to how much energy we need to pool before hitting the 5 envenoms again.
real pike
its kind of fine
I'm glad we have you here as the leading fine authority to tell us how we should feel about something subjective
Whatever would we do without you
wooden basin
let’s take a breather gang we all want the same thing