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Very true
But paladins scare me
I won by being banned 
yup
At first I thought it was a meme
But its real
And as usual the mods are banning people voicing out about it 
man
Im not gonna encourage you to harass them
Even if that discord is a bit of a clown car
'a bit'
I didn’t feel like skimming the 47 channels
General off topic
fuck i had that channel muted
i have most of that discord muted actually
but i missed drama
Send me the screenshots, I need to see but also don't want to go near the paladin discord.
I just want to chuckle from afar.
ngl its not actually the most interesting stuff
doesnt even come close to the channel closure unfortunately
Damn
theyre just selling out and using the guise of a charity to say its fine
from what I saw from a quick look they lost a moderation team member and now trying to either gather money for their family or donate that money to charity related to the death cause
not really sure about details
also not sure if this should be in off-topic but it's Saturday night for me so not that I care about it
That was the intent yea but they chose a weird avenue for it
To each their own
eh, it's not like i'm gonna hate on pals more than i did before
the bar is too low for anything to go too wrong
Was doing paint room thing with girlfriend so I forgot to go back in 

Late stage capitalism buddy, everything that can will be monetised
Though in this case it seems in good faith
Idk I’m banned from there too, preachy fucks
!wa
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actually based AF
what is happening to the world
yo my dps is capped at 2.2m when doing mythic 2 while im doing correct rotation is the stat priority super important?
i think that may be the issue cuz my mastery is 40% and my crit is 30% while im at ilevel 699
I think the 699 is the issue more than the stats
secondaries are whatever
being 40 ilvl down is quite a big issue
and it's a +2 so like
not really a good indicator for what your damage actually should be
ahh well at this point should i just wait for midnight, no way im gonna catch up 30 levels after starting the season late
ah well in +4s and +6s im doing like average 2.5-2.7m too which i assume is pretty bad considering the other dps players are doing 4m+ lol
I mean it kinda depends
that's still not really a key level that's worth a shit
you're a dot spec
things insta dying, not living long enough to start spattering, etc
spec changes in a week anyway
I wouldn't worry about it
cool thanks dude
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heya coming back after a long break so a bit out of touch and trying to pick up the new builds/rotations. for fatebound. in your opener (ST) you kingsbane, vanish,CB after applying DM. Should you then break stealth with garrote to get it doubled or do you just ambush?
I'd just prolong that break for a week
^ this will change stuff
ah right... welp 😅 yeah true, won't matter all that much for the next week, thanks ^^
Wanna express something irrelevant,i personally enjoy watching you yap.Dont care how big a vod/vid is.Would grab some water,maybe chips and watch you,even on a stream yap with other content creators/rogues in here.People we know and appreciate all these years.
new vid from pookie, boys. Makes me feel okay about ui changes
I disagree that we don't want to be tracking the cd of FoK though, Whispyr. 😆
wait what.. dont tell me FoK has a cooldown now
It’s a joke
Gotta track that mutilate cooldown
LOL i thought they were gonna butcher rogue in midnight, i absolutely have not been keeping track of midnight's changes
We’re making fun of the cooldown tracker
It has fok/mut listed as a cooldown to track
The whole thing is very goofy
genius
GCD exists, so everything has a cooldown
So true
ok im going addonless @balmy condor has inspired me
there are things that dont obey GCD though but still have a cooldown
CDnception
there are also things that obey neither gcd nor cooldowns
truly otherworldly beings
Yo that was my endgame
partypooper
u might be right, i think ill just play without a monitor too
all hearing
Adding new dimensions to the meaning of unhinged
gotta get rid of the things that shackle us
get rid of the mouse and keyboard too
play with your mind
ur a prodigy
astral project yourself into the game
thats what ppl call nelf slutmog in pride inn
slutmog is crazy
Any of you tried a game called the last caretaker? Looks kinda cool
Detect
guys if we get the cd reduction bug how do we play around it?
either ignore it or slam everything at 1:00
You think I should slam it on Dimmy prog?
depends on your guilds timings I guess
you really want to bug and 1:00 on the platforms
but p1 kinda whatever
On beta does assa rogue energy regen on kill not work? the one that gives you remaining time on rupture as energy i mean
#midnight-assassination but yes, it got insanely nerfed
venomous wounds gives less than half its previous energy in single target, it then also gives even less on secondary targets, and the rupture refresh then got nerfed as well
so 3x nerfs
I feel like with like a FULL combo point rupture i get back like dirt
yes
god that feels AWFUL
it went from 10 energy per tick down to 1
you're not really supposed to rupture snipe
I'm probably back to rogue in midnight, how cooked are we?
i get rupture sniping was a bug and im not surprised it got changed
but i will miss it
for a month or two then i'll forget it ever existed outside of random discussions in this discord
my guild killed dimmy, now I need the kill as well 
guys - Retail not midnight (I know its late and will change out)
ST - I seem to be dead to the floor with Energy, Am I ment to be pooling or keep above 50%? (This is in Mplus with bleed build mostly)
I’m curious how m+ is going to feel like on launch
Same as every season? Or why would it feel different
Only thing that is different is how your class plays + less cast on mobs
Amazing as always if u put aside ppl demanding a R1 m+ parse to invite you in order to time their +10 key

link beta logs
Can someone end my suffering and tell me what the heck is refunding my first combo points spent on rupture...
serrated bone spike talent
this talent
Ah! thankyou so much
It looks fun
Yippee
I’ll see you for approximately 2 days before you’re back to priest
Same to you quakemother
No sir
Oh wait you’re playing quakewar to steal kwans tier
Yessir

I made my gm play healing priest this tier, and two former healers are probably playing dps with heal off specs, surely I'm safe from priest jail.
Cope
What I’m hearing is you’re recruiting a rogue
Maybe
True


I am watching other Rogues fighting Dimensius. Some get additional 30s CDR on Deathmark. Is this from being lucky with our T-Set or can i force it somehow?
he has a good writeup about it
thank you very much!
my guilds last reclear is tomorrow
its my last chance to parse FOREVER, I MUST bug abuse!

meh who cares about last boss logs
guilds for sure
some ppl do apparently
7 reclears deep and my best parse was still my first kill on sub 
there's always going to be someone with a better kill time, less mechanics being assigned to, while rolling better coins and highrolling all abilities, as well as getting a PI on every big CD
as long as the parses aren't grey it doesnt matter much
guild gave up on saladbar
it's over
not even getting 7/8 this season
saw this coming from the first 10 pulls but somehow im still disappointed
how many pulls in?
We are still progressing Dimensius, several P3 wipes. Hopefully we get a close Cutting Edge before prepatch.
250
never saw a full platforms phase
idiots just couldn't stop eating beams and missing spirits
half the team does NOT deserve the kill, but the other half does and it fucking sucks
ouch
my guild has two nights to kill dimi (maybe 3 but people are probably not showing up)
so im already prepared for the inevitable
ok but how pretty is your house
i won one of the categories in a blizzard housing contest 👍
real
Gl king 
well, the half that deserves it includes the rl
and i think he's gonna be replacing people
yeah we needed to do that a month ago sadly
too late now
rl acknowleged this openly already
so i see good changes in the future
Is assassination the only spec looking good for rogue in midnight ?
Idk how that happened
R they tho
have their fixed that talent that gives us the regen not working
or do we get to jsut live with that
Idk I haven’t followed much because there’s no reason to until it’s solidified
Afaik it was fixed but giga nerfed

Whispyr is pretty good about keeping pins updated
but also, check in the midnight channel, this is the retail channel
Ahhh ok I thought it’s pretty set
i keep forgetting we have a midnight channel
I feel like they’ll likely do a big tuning patch after a week or two
But we’ll see
Id say for the most part it is but we may see more bug fixes and number adjustments
Cool thanks u both
Is this the last week to get 3k rating and aotc achievements?
yea
For reference, beta reaches its halfway point next week
Cool, at 2800, should be able to finish it off
Oh thought its almost done
i know its like TURBO late to ask but if i get the assa bug do i just send KB and then hold deathmark for KB or do i hold KB for deathmark?
you either pretend the bug didnt happen and do normal timings or hold kingsbane and use it with deathmark at 1m
the second option can get you another use of deathmark depending on how long the fight is
or fights like dimi you can get cds on each platform
Bug is kinda fun to try out actually (are we allowed to say this?) - makes sense now why I'm getting it so frequently on Nexus king as tanks are pulling it to the side and I'm running after boss

We ain't no snitches
get some mercenaries from RLE
ye, you have until monday night to get your CE/AOTC/2k/3k/1800/2100/2400/Glad etc etc
@balmy condor surely complaining about chaos brand or motw or shout would be a better thing to mald over than grip and amz lol
announcement went out already, not happening
team is done for the season
I complained about motw previously and the druids got angry at me for that so I have them on rotation
Well now I as dk am mad
next article complaints will be given to warrior shout
you're safe from my complaints for another 5 articles
:)
Thank god
Rogues and DKs should be fighting the disgusting raid buff havers in solidarity though

idk bout that
y'all had your time with AMZ
grip isn't good in a lot of situations
but when it is, it's fucking disgusting
We should get a poison that stops them from parrying us

Lock in
ive already predicted we kill wednesday and i get the mount
its dead on my screen
im just going to collect
I predicted I would get the mount - I did not
I have nearly 1100, it can wait
thats not your guild
it's not YOUR guild!
so hyped of not using addons next exp - thx, whispyr 🥀🥂
man my guild has been at like 5% dimmy and we got 1 week left
if we dont grab CE
i'll commit crimson tempest
grey one is absolutely gorgeous
all of them*
Ty epsilonee
Tierlist based on how good i think a spec can cook steak
That's fair, idk i know its weird but i think resto could cook some like
Uniquely tasty steak with herbs and whatnot
havoc DH should also be 1 tier higher
havoc DH are totally on the PROTEIN craze and eat meat like 6x a day
That's true but what if there are souls in their steak
Idk, maybe that won't go with me well cause i don't know how to consume souls properly
free healing hello?
I don't want to deal with the moral questioning of consuming someone's soul for health tho
Wait a friend did bring up holy fire for priest
they are too adhd and cant wait for it to be finished or they loose focus so its either raw or burnt
Felflame is probably the last thing you want to cook your steak with
mf never saw me cooking
Don’t you ever slander me again king
didnt you read wowhead post about addons 😄
no, mate, i just saw we wont need addons in his video and i was hyped 
it kinda depends what you're trying to get out of it
are you a sweaty gamer that needs a barrage of info about everything at all times or else you're going to be grey parsing, zero io, bitchless and bald?
yeah, addons still give you some of that
do you want to see all the info you need to clear all the content and perform well? base UI works totally fine
Which of these individual outcomes is the worst
gotta for sure be bitchless
I mean unless you ask in outlaw
they might say zero io is the worst fate that could befall man
@balmy condor
Io? Sorry I don't play Dota

it didn't need to be top 5 and the title is templated idunno man
I wrote the wishlist and yapped and that was my job
his name sounds like lashga and I'm getting PTSD
you should tell him that I'd recommend becoming a girl
i legit thought it was lashga at first lmfao
I also read it like that
the communal trauma
Surely because theres only 4 items we "really" want fixed they actually fix it?

number 5 would be "fix your life" but whispyr is too kind
Whispyr do it and just say your account got hacked again 
Am I the only one who had trouble clearing delves as a rogue?
Stealth-ing around stuff is nice sometimes, but it's way less useful than like, having good sustain and aoe cc and stuff.
rogue was not as bad as mage or priest for me, but maybe i'm just bad as ranged
priest is pretty good in delves
you get dr if you're meleed, have access to stuff like mind control and mind soothe, and worst case scenario you just go healer with brann tank
adn take 10 minutes to kill the boss
although there are some very cursed situations as healer priest since you dont have interrupt

idk I played as shadow and got constantly meelied to shits because brann couldn't hold aggro to save his life OR literally couldn't stay alive as tank
and as healer it took ages
well yeah you dont play tank brann unless you're healer
hes useless
healer brann if dps, tank brann if healer
whatever the fuck you want if you're a tank bc it doesnt matter
You want dps brann because he can 1 shot bosses still with some weird bugs sometimes
as a tank
thats just hatarang
you can have that as any brann
well idk if its just hatarang, maybe something else does it too
but hatarang does it as any brann
i hope valeera randomly one shots stuff
You think we will get a toy to transmog into her like we did on bram.
Holy how much i hated that half my raid used to be bram and hearing his voicelines while wiping the x time on dimi
god i hope so
We get the daggers as a tmog in midnight if im not wrong. Already a huge W
As priest I would just mc something and have it kill everything for me.
And tbh as shadow I ran tank bran for a while and just had vamp embrace heal him for big pulls and it worked
once i had gear i just killed everything before it killed tank brann
he keeps them nice and gathered for shadow crash
but before i had gear definitely healer brann
I still have to farm that toy
Im trying to figure out what I want to play next pac/patch but haven’t had any luck at choosing.
hm i think i may try assassination
What spec will be less gutted for prepatch?
does not having to tab target bleeds count as gutted?
not world last.
gamer
is prepatch on the ptr?
there's midnight beta, ptr (midnight), and ptr (tww 11.2.7)
i assume ptr midnight is prepatch?
yes
Get the earpieces of tranquility toy
Or turn off dialogue in audio
gz 
My last chance tomorrow to actually get a decent log on Dimmy to bring my average to above 90 💀
gl to all those who are going for their CE kills!
tomorrow reclear for my guild i just swapped to, and they take me for dimi kill
hopefully i dont fuck them up
CURSE OF RA 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀮 𓀯 𓀰 𓀱 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁌 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆
CURSE OF RA 𓀀 𓀁 𓀂 𓀃 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆 𓀇 𓀈 𓀉 𓀊 𓀋 𓀌 𓀍 𓀎 𓀏 𓀐 𓀑 𓀒 𓀓 𓀔 𓀕 𓀖 𓀗 𓀘 𓀙 𓀚 𓀛 𓀜 𓀝 𓀞 𓀟 𓀠 𓀡 𓀢 𓀣 𓀤 𓀥 𓀦 𓀧 𓀨 𓀩 𓀪 𓀫 𓀬 𓀭 𓀮 𓀯 𓀰 𓀱 𓀲 𓀳 𓀴 𓀵 𓀶 𓀷 𓀸 𓀹 𓀺 𓀻 𓀼 𓀽 𓀾 𓀿 𓁀 𓁁 𓁂 𓁃 𓁄 𓁅 𓁆 𓁇 𓁈 𓁉 𓁊 𓁋 𓁌 𓁍 𓁎 𓁏 𓁐 𓁑 𓀄 𓀅 𓀆
not quite the 1000 pulls they did on ansurek
but ah well
my guild is not cooking trying to get our 21man raidlead CE+mount 
im not even in cause forgot to sign
Niceee bro
you fucking god man haha
i am mid at beast
is this the optimal rotation on 2nd platform when u have a 18 stack prism and then go on to wipe at 3%
noeysuydasioudoifoew
theres a no and a yes in there somewhere
if my goat midbeast was watching that it would be like him watching tyler1's yone
he is called mid for a reason
it is cringe how hard you have to try and bugabuse on dimmy tho
idk I hate it
glad its gonna be gone
barely played any rogue on dimmy over the 1 gazillion pulls at this point so didnt notice earlier
Sin main worthy in midnight?
No
They should pay you
I'll ask them
fuck me man I had the chance to be a hero tonight
last left alive on Dimmy
0.1% wipe
raid leader literally said his cooldowns are coming up, keep him alive
gnfokjilpdsngiopjkdsgibndsiogbn dsuiojgbdfs
What's FoK's role in midnight? now that CT is a builder too
main aoe builder
CT only used to spread bleeds
and the combo pts is bonus i guess
yes
do we still have benefits from attacking from stealth? like MA?
In midnight or now?
just imp garrote
mid
is there still a midnight channel? or is it combined now
There are
I can't seem to find them dad... 🙁
Channels & Roles (top of server nav) > Browse Channels > Check the midnight channel boxes
mid at beast huh
Assa or sin rogue?
The great debate
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Enjoy. For the next… 6 days. 🙁
Bro
The voices say to say hello

Do you like cat pics
Well too bad I give you one anyway
Put his tongue back
gatita
YOINK

How close

well we still have a night and a half but
My guild decided to stop raiding for this season after wiping to p1 constantly huge drama today
rip CE
its not happening
Quitter mentality
Damn ok
That’s doable in a night and a half
that sounded way more aggressive than i intended it to lmao
Atleast your guild still goes at it 
Tell everyone to put on their big boy pants
classic healer
Too bad healers arent people
because of frustration
So you can safely ignore it

its recorded 😄
Whats the tldr
watched it back and laughed at it 😄
Told him to buff. everyone was frustated, and then he said some bad words
and got kicked of discord
😄
You don’t deserve that pookie bear
Just remove for now 😄
i think they will talk to him
mmm
He said to me
Did bro say the legendary gamer words

Grounds for insta gkick fr fr
yeah lol
Oh

This just in class guide whispyr is big dumbo

I would say galaxy brain tech to just use healer then gkick once prog over
But season was called so
yeah when your 400 pulls in and you havent seen p3 yet
If I was in charge that person woulda just been gkicked along with a healthy dose of roasting
its giga doomed
are yall dropping into p3 with half the raid dead
I understand people frustation. and be upset. but thats def a no go
unfortunately im pretty sure everyone was alive on that best pull
Do you know what % ya'll got it to before amp ended?
i'd have to look but it wasnt very good
but people are also still messing with cds
Yeah I think we got it to around 55%ish
400 pulls in and you’re messing with cds
brother
It might lowkenuinely be over
nobody has any fucking idea
if you just do platforms you don't have to mess with cds
Lowkirkenuinonlogically doomed
We also had a few sandbags
It might be jover
I think we got 3-4 of our benched players CE tonight
I wish there was like a website where i could post my entire 400 pulls of dimmy to see who sandbags the most over 400 pulls
WCL
Warcraft logs is per log bro
you know who
I want everything
@thorn thorn
Ya season is called, you got time to look and chart it out 
wyw
haha yes 😄
100 pulls in nk one of our warlocks asked when they should infernal
Run that back sorry who was benched
Dracmpreg was benched
Based
They created that cursed dracmpreg emote

Lets not get too hasty
Jereico has started his own ms paint drawings
A worthy challenger
We cope and say they did that on a tablet
real
I want to but I know he didnt
will you guys miss 1.5m / 1m vendettas 🙁
i sure as fuck wont miss the bug
90s dm was nice but i think its better 90s stays with sub
I’ll miss it but I agree that it should stay on sub
Especially with sub not being prohibitively dumb to learn I think it’ll be a lot more reasonable to multi-spec if necessary
Like sub isn’t as polarizing anymore
I believe 


Surely he dies. If not, overtime.
was away for a year or so. how is the excitement for assa or rogue in general for midnight? especialy without weakauras and other addons?
Surely it dies
Just 33% to work through
Killed it for the first time last week
reclear this week took some time cause we needed to rekill noodle-king after a single kill a long time ago haha
back to sub 10% on dimmy already so I guess your team just needs to work out the last few soak/pulls @haughty flicker
Same as tww
so like in the lower bottom of the ranking? cause thats how i remember it when i stopped in tww
Well the pre patch / expansion have to drop so people can actually play it and give feedback. Yes some people got beta but we have to look at it in a macro way, and not in a micro way (YouTubers/streamers p.e)
kk. so we don't rly know if ther were any gameplay changes?
Oh there are
Re designed abilities/talents
Apex talents
New gameplay for the specs
Think my old guild have been going for it for 4 nights now and have only just got sub 10 
Okay I checked, reclear is 132 pulls so far
Horrifying
and what are the thoughts of playing assa without weakauras? and and is the new gameplay a strong change from before?
Probably the same as with class WAs, whispyr already did a video about it
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This is probably more than enough for the class WAs
nice. it was my biggest concern returning
Classes overall are also becoming easier to play which helps
AoE spread via the new crimson tempest, which is now a builder
No more stealth focused buffs
Besides improved garrote
And that's probably it? I don't play the game
Oh its worse
in ST sure, in aoe definitely not
so some things got improved and others got worse?
I guess that you know have it applied with garrote instead of ambush out of stealth can be a seen as a improvement.
The not being able to move it while one exist part is a straight downgrade. Especially with how it works rn were you need to wait out the timer sometimes to reapply it. But i hope that will get fixed
does it get better that m+ with a chain pulling tank felt worse cause u couldn't apply empowered garrote from stealth without vanish?
Oh im only talking about mark management btw nothing else.
oh yeah. just that thought came to my mind as well
I personal had no issues with the restealth mechanic in m+ on live. You play keys to time them not to have the highest overall dps in details. And 9/10 times chaining is just faster. And you have ways to make it work.
It is probably better that its now just a numbers gain and not a different gameplay feeling with how they change bleed spreading.
We will still hear complain tho even with just imp gar

How does Whispyr have his energy/CPs under his character? Addon? Or can you do that with base UI?
I think thats the personal ressource display from base ui
and IIRC i saw from the bellular video that addons are slowly coming back except weak aura. so i probably won't have to find a replacement for elvui?=
Elvui is staying yes. Depends on how you used it you maybe have some less functionality
We cleared on pull 660
and within 3 pulls of reclear we are sub-10%
so I expect we reclear today
but yeah the progress really killed me haha
p1 regularity has been an enourmous issue for us
But I just can't do a good parse on this
I thought I'd get a decent one on Noodle-king but I died like a dumbass
I'm not sure what's the best cooldown usage to parse
right now I do two DM in p1 while holding prism cause we kill too fast otherwise
DM on first plat with prism
again on second but a bit later
then I have a kingsbane ready for p3 start
if I don't blow CDs on platform 2 we don't kill Pargoth fast enough
So I don't see a way to go into p3 with a full burst + prism ready
Something along the lines of desync rng
I DM on 2nd platform
But you have to rip it really quick for it to line up properly going into p3
And that’s saying you time the wind well
If you push too quick you won’t have cds
Ideally you just desync and have CDs for every platform :^)
by desync you mean the tier set bug ?
Correct
I recommend getting CE, the mount and retiring until Midnight
Yeah working on the mount
but I'd like to get a non-grey parse today tho haha
I know it's my first real mythic tier but still
old screenshot. but if u remove the weakauras then this sort of stuff
I parsed green but purple for ilvl
Since I’m not capped

Should all be still possible the only thing what comes to mind is elvui unite frames and some functionsthere but no one really used them anyways.
kk. and since it was said that midnight makes classes easier. do we know what changes for assa to make it easier?
Stealth was a big gripe for some people because of chain pulling
If you’re a m+ enjoyer
There's a nice little table on wowhead, would link it but I'm on the train home
tbh that was the reason why i always played either ret or sub for m+
oh good to know i will look if i can find it
@wary lightthis one? https://www.wowhead.com/news/updated-class-survival-guide-for-midnight-beta-changes-you-need-to-know-379800
Yeah unless there's a more recent one
kk gonna take a look^^
oh no shiv and garrote spread anymore. i guess thats what makes stealth less "forced" for aoe?
wait...so you don't ahve to pool anymore for hours?
"Energy regeneration has moved into baseline regen, rather than relying on Venomous Wounds entirely. This is especially true in AoE, where Venomous Wounds provides very little extra energy"
Single target doesn’t really change much, much less energy in AoE
well that sounds good. i usualy had no energy problems in aoe. but in ST
wait this is the best news ive heard all week
thank god
I enjoyed the bleed build, but I'm not too bothered by it being dead
same. so far the changes i saw for assa and sub sound pretty good
but am curious which are the assumption for loser and winner of the "simplications"?
cause the comments i saw were pretty doomposty
The losers when it comes to Rogue? Did any of the specs lose? I really like the Sin changes, Sub seems good, Outlaw I haven't really paid much attention to
Maybe some Sub players don't like it being simplified?
ah no more for all classes
so far all the rogue changes seem pretty good
i at least can't find anything thats "yikes"
Outlaw isn't a real spec regardless so it's okay
the change i wish they did "renamed outlaw and changed its gameplay back to combat"
Yes, or better yet make it a dual gun ranged dps
survival hunter getting a boomstick is so funny
Survival hunter similarly isn't real but I agree
same. SV died the moment it became melee
Pick class with pets but then pick the spec without pets 
but yeah tbh so far probably gonna main assa + sub, and maybe retri as alt + druid for herb/ore farming
i don't ahve the nerves anymore for 5+ alts for farming
removing pets from mm is so dumb
like, pets are literally THE hunter thing lol
and MM having to play around with no pets was always a disadvantage for the spec
so instead of removing shity Lone Wolf, they just force it on players now 
lol
I think the eagle is cool
Thematically
Also this is for pre patch i assume
you know what you could do
use a eagle pet

True that
or i could just not play MM because i don't wanna stand still and cast aimed shot without streamline
(unless they changed that on ptr)
could use a grey parrot pet
hey guys new to this rogue class -- what is this Shadowstep ability - i have it talented where it gives me an extra charge but i dont see the ability anywhere in my spell book
isnt there a search window in your spellbook?
shouuld be in the general class ability tab there
does any1 have a spec for this delv boss mount thingy. the contract killer
or any tips i sohuld know
or preferance of which spec to play for it
Should just play fatebound single target spec
If you can play sub i would go for sub since it's generally more tanky.
But when i did it was in the first week of the new season with absolutely no gear
if you dont get hit by the lines and just do the clones properly it will fall over really quickly no matter what spec you play
does this look right or is this just completely wrong lol, havent pve'd in a bit. i havent played sub pve in so long, id prob have a easier time as sin
This looks fine yes
ok sorry got another question - - what is a good professiosn for rogue ? ? thinking about going Skinning and LW
tyty
Nowadays in retail wow professions arent really tied to your class anymore how it was back in the day. so you can do whatever you feel like.
And dont apologise for qeustions. we are here to provide answers 🙂
ok thanks
alch/engi BiS, have an alt do your gathering
infinite wormholes, teleports and longer flask
(Basically just random QoL and out of combat stuff)
I haven’t felt a need for a wormhole in years with dungeon teleports existing
they're great to use for lumber farming 🪵
Don’t say those words around me
I haven’t started my lumbering yet and I don’t want to
what about engi belt shenanigans on fyrakk???
you dont wanna collect logs?
The best 2 profession in the game for like the last 3 expansions is alchemy and engineering. Alchemy gives longer flasks and engineering gives you another ability (nitro boosts). Imo
engi is fun, i used the wormholes a lot on my rogue
@thorn thorn
@river socket ok thanks i will those in mind
5 pulls to reclear today 😄
and very very shit log again https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/k4TcZg1zaXMxFpPL?fight=last&type=damage-done
played like crap dmg wise
on this one
from 17 to 19 😭
Just because i saw it 3 times in the kill try alone.
If you refresh rupture in the 2 finisher after kb you lose the extra flips.
Undead or Haranir rogue? (female ofc)
I don't want bad posture
Yeah there's likely stuff like that i don't know
I switch to sin recently
Thanks ❤️
well no more kill before prepatch so too late now sadly haha
So you never refresh rupture until kb is done ?
I've never seen this piece of tech tbh
No the 2 finisher after pressing cds need to be envenoms otherwise refresh is fine
Ah okay I see
did other dumb mistkes I know about but this is new
Like I completely forgot to reput Vanish in my KB macro >.>
Oh you didnt use vanish once yea thats not good. But you want to use vanish with dm sets if possibel. So if you macro it to kb you will use it with a raw kb. Thats not ideal
!dj
Vanishing On Fatebound 
- you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
- this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
- because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
- edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
- you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst
Ah yeah cd could not line up well indeed in macro
haranir is op
simultaneously the best troll, orc, and elf
my brother in christ
you play wow
you probably allready do the Shrimp
Midnight coming up, heard alot of good stuff. But one thing i cant figure out. They're talking about not having to use stealth for dot spread anymore, wich is true. But dont we still got Imp Garrotte?
you never needed stealth anyway
was not a big deal
and its even less in midnight
literally only imp garrote
It went form a gameplay feel to a small dps gain.
Well ofc u dont NEED, but if u want to max ur damage literaly nothing changes? Except u cast the new crimson tempest twice instead of garrotte/Rupture after breaking stealth? Or am i missing something.
well last i heard its worth casting ct until all targets have bleeds (assuming they'll live long enough)
but also yes, technically you need a restealth to get full value from imp gar
Exactly, wich is the same thing now but u spread with garrotte/rupture.
but that value is not significant
well except you can spread however you want without worrying
50% seems significant to me.
and dont have a time limit
50% of a single ability, its not a 50% damage increase overall lmao
ct being how you spread bleeds instead of stealth is also just better on any boss fight where adds come in
50% of a single ability which is also a dot is nearly nothing lol
50% on garrotte on 5 targets, is abit of damage.
We straight up lose alot less while gaining alot less. The impact of restealths got minimized.
And the goal is still timing the key no?
do a m+ run
never stealth
check your dmg at the end and how much garrote was
and increase like 30% of that dmg by 50%
thats imp garrote
which will result in like 1-2% more overall dmg at best lol
restealths will still be a small damage increase, but as always good chain pulling is more of a damage increase for the key
the important part is you dont have that feeling going into the next pack where it was "fuck, i dont have ic and spreading bleeds is gonna feel bad"
since actually spreading them isnt tied to stealth anymore
Ye ofc. So ur still wanna play around vanish for big pulls or whatever but times inbetween are gonna feel less hellish.
Thanks for clearing things up 🙂
vanish is probably just gonna be used with deathmark every time now
although im not sure what stuff is looking like on the class tree side
i cant imagine us using the second vanish charge though
ye, vanish is still technically a offensive cd
Is that not the case now aswell?
well atm you can save one charge for dm and have another to use to spread bleeds or whatever you want
if rogue had literally 0 stealth related things, what even is stealth anymore really
or in aoe you did decouple them to spread bleeds
Exactly my point Tryan 🙂
So not much changes except u can spread bleeds easier during downtime.
Thanks again for clearing things up 🙂
true
you know
i must actually applaud them for that
like, i didnt even knew it was possible to make it worse
but they found a way
that deserves respect
How is it worse? Not looking into those talents yet.
well
rn you can forcefully change marks with vanish->ambush
in midnight you cant anymore
you apply it with garrote now, but it cant be moved once its on the target
it can only be moved with darkest night envenom or garrote while you have darkest night
Yes sir
Damn.. i tought having garrotte as the mark spell was the entire idea, making it easier to switch it.. lol
yeah having to cycle the mark fully to swap is not great
imagine if it was a selfbuff
instead of a enemy debuff
🙂
would solve all problems
BUT NO
also can lead to moments where your prio target might not be in the first pack you're pulling
THE FANTASY
THE FRICTION
so you need to either apply mark to a random target, spread bleeds, cycle mark, and swap it to your prio target
or just sit with your thumb in your ass
and wait
thats what @spice spire said yesterday
fatebound gaming though
i cant believe the shitty coin hero tree
is the savior
How about putting it on prio target directly XD but i get ur point.
well thats what i said in the first sentence
if your prio target isnt there at the start of the pull
you either have to wait for it to show up and delay bleeds
Missed that one!
or start spreading and swap later
Ye, missed the mark on that one didn't they.
Did they fix if the target immuned or you died that you need to wait for the timer to be able to apply it again?
Nop
Sometimes waiting the timer doesnt even let you do it again either
Wait what

I will not ask further question as im scared for what i will hear
its ok just play fatebound and have your melee damage go down every time you get lucky coin

Stay handsome, bitch
If you will consult the chart, you are toxic and good at wow
Poggers

So are you toxic and bad at wow
that would ruin the symmetry
Its probably in the bad at wow very far down
they are on the list you guys are just blind xD
How is ret less toxic than all 3 rogue specs, evoker, and bdk, why is assa on there twice, how is it possible for destro lock to be chill
Nothing makes sense
Makes sense
Every ret player I met has been bad at the game and toxic
Including those clowns at HoW
I think my idea is more realistic
the 2nd "assa" is combat
aka
giga boomer list
Yeah but they took that backstab icon from combat, which has since been used for assa 
mate
outlaw is not on the list ^^
the last time they saw rogue stuff is like
WotLK
WHERE THE GAME WAS GOOD AND COMBAT EXISTED OK

Only real specs geton the list sorry 
thats why assassiantion is not on it
thanks for the explenation
subtlety, the only real spec
Sin is up there they just use the wrong icon 
I’ve done my last dimmy kill with current talents, gonna miss this button
The button is still there and there is a good chance rn that you will press it for dmg 🙂
But but isnt that even to low to get tilte? For what would you buy for so much gold keys then?
oh hes prolly buying more
from the same group
i know the tank hes buying it from lulle
Shiv is a dps gain
Hate to break it to you
yeah
you'd likely have to level multiple rogues and stuff
and who would want to do that
Chat who is gonna tell him
on the sheet he goes

when i list my key, like >25% of applicants are buyers
only 25%?
I know a man with this power
Or disability
Is it you playa
I'm not Uber
source?
He has like 7 Rogues
Source that you arent uber








