#assassination

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ocean ore
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do you guys can give me tips to how optimize burst in dmg amp of p3?

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i try to get ther with full cbpoints

humble verge
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no

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5cp

coral ibex
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you can skip the first envenom if you want, i dont think its much of a gain for the entire phase

humble verge
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envenom

ocean ore
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but i still think that im not using all of it on burst

humble verge
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5cp

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envenom

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my go to p3 start is

ocean ore
humble verge
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garrote mut rupture

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then i open my cds

ocean ore
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burst and etc

ocean ore
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of the dmg amp

humble verge
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like im just looking comparably at a somewhat %based wipe that is the same, in terms of dps and my experience i am doing somewhat of a gaming

coral ibex
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yea but you also have a lot of damage indexed into execute

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by playing assa

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gaining 1 envenom in the amp will hardly make or break your parse

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it is more important to have 100% uptime for all of p3

humble verge
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i mean for me it is

coral ibex
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you gain more damage by getting crit luck during execute DM than fitting 1 more envenom into the amp

humble verge
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theres a comparable difference in terms of the amp - here you have Neeo's amp, youre doing the usual rupture into envenom

ocean ore
humble verge
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which i myself feels like is a waste of time

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compared to my own, i get my 5cp+garr into rup and then insta CDs for the most value

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sure ill get like max 3 seconds more amp probably?

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but those 3 seconds are a lot when the boss is taking that damage

coral ibex
humble verge
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most value from amp

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is just get youre garrote and rup up

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then insta CDs

ocean ore
ocean ore
coral ibex
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well you should be near the top of details for the whole fight

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assa is the best spec on dim

ocean ore
ocean ore
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im actualy overall the 5° on dps metters

humble verge
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whos beating you in p1

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is my question

ocean ore
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elementals and dk

coral ibex
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could be a PI'd dev

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thats who usually is above me in p1

humble verge
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shouldnt really be possible tbf

coral ibex
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if anyone

humble verge
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like

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well

ocean ore
humble verge
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eles are like

coral ibex
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are you all 729/730

humble verge
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50/50

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yes they are

coral ibex
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hm

humble verge
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some are like

coral ibex
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are you potting p1

humble verge
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726/728/727

ocean ore
coral ibex
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i usually save my vanish for the 1m30 cds but idk if thats a gain

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since i dont vanish either platform

ocean ore
placid snow
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What's the best talent to drop so you can pick up Iron Wire?

coral ibex
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there are no good talents to drop for iron wire

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they're all significant dps losses

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just kick

placid snow
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Alright, thank you.

coral ibex
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it used to be drop a shiv but shiv is too important to season 3 tier

coral ibex
ocean ore
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so ty u guys for the help, i will keep trying, if i finaly get to execut p3 i will return to ask for your opinions once more

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hahaha

safe patrol
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I am a bit confused

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oh wait

coral ibex
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bro's never gotten thru both platforms in less than 2m

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can't relate

safe patrol
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a okey I see

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but the guy you are answering for that is surely not the case if he is progging

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so yeah

coral ibex
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during prog, more damage is almost never good

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on the platforms

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you want locked in healer cds

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i guess you could vanish without prism

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i just have it macro'd

safe patrol
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like sure makes sense but the comment I replied to is abit misinformative still but thats also very nitpicking and unneccessary from me. I am in a decent 2 day guild around wr 600 and we usually have decent dps but I can comfortably vanish first plat and still have for burn but yeah its not that deep sorry for the yap

humble verge
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get outta here

safe patrol
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yeah I usually have it macrod myself but just put normal vanish on my keybind bars for dim and nexus and press prism manually there

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I was a bit curious what kinda blaster guild you where in so I must admit I checked and looking and just skimming through logs and stuff I am pretty sure you would be able to send a naked vanish too tbh

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your logs are better than mine and its not like I am comparing virtual d's here but surely only vanishing opener and burn is sort of wrong when you are 8 mins in combat ish even doe alot of downtime so yeah weird garfd emojing me whatever that meansbased

coral ibex
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i dont vanish the opener

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i vanish at 1:30

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with 9 prism stacks

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thought you would have figured that out from snooping my logs

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so it would not be possible to vanish the platforms

safe patrol
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hahahah i didnt go deep but fair

coral ibex
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i have to use 9 prism stacks before the amp or i'll overcap

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but if you vanish opener then yea sure you can likely vanish artoshion

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i would be crashing out if i vanished artoshion and it meant we pushed too fast and then i dont have it for amp

safe patrol
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I see I see

coral ibex
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in prog i sent 18 stacks and vanish into artoshion and had like 14 stacks for amp

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but we weren't 729 yet

safe patrol
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I mean its a big diff between a naked vanish and a vanish + full stacked prism. I also progged dimensius before uncapped ilvl . But yeah theres alot of different ways to do stuff and alot of different factors play in. Especially on a fight like dimensius. The point I was trying to make is mostly that vanish and prism isnt a package deal and theres scenarios where you would maybe send vanish wo prism even doe it exists a reccommended prism + vanish macro

analog field
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vanish is kinda irrelevant to dmg it is just one extra coin flip, it doesn't make or break your dmg

safe patrol
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ye so I dont get the whole holding vanish and missing out of vanish charges and tipping it to others but it def doesnt make or break anything as pointed above^

analog field
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yeah a lot of people (including me) dont have vanish without the prism macro, and just don't bother with it

humble verge
coral ibex
humble verge
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about to make a warrior for the fun of it cause of the tw event

split python
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Anyone got the beta changes?

spice surge
split python
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Ah nvm ty

jolly stirrup
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
knotty vapor
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Alright I'm stuck on my phone and really don't feel like trying to navigate Warcraft logs. Is there an easy way to see who the problem children are when it comes to early deaths?

knotty vapor
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Lol I need to make a case for replacing certain indivudals

severe meadow
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Say they die early

knotty vapor
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We're 100 wipes into p1 and haven't even gotten to gating through the beams

severe meadow
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When are people dying

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To beats?

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Beams

knotty vapor
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In the first minute lmao

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To random shit

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We have 5-7 deaths by minute one almost every pull

severe meadow
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So you’re trying to replace half the team

knotty vapor
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It's like 4 of the same people and then a couple random ones every time

severe meadow
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I mean I can look at the death logs but it’s just general skill issue

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Are you guys baiting beams properly

knotty vapor
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Definitely not

severe meadow
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That would maybe be step one

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Get baits down

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And that helps movement a lot

knotty vapor
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Yeah the strat changed in the last 10 pulls

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And we bait the beams to the center now instead of stacking near where the soak point is

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Idk if that's correct tho

severe meadow
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Yeah you can just run to the circle

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The problem then becomes ranged greeding casts

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We had a warlock come to raid drunk last night

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Needless to say I was really not happy

keen spruce
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Raiding sober is for the birds

analog field
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We had the same issue for approx 200 pulls 😛

waxen oyster
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"It's ok im russian it takes 12 to actually hamper me"

sharp viper
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hell yeah alcoholism

spice surge
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W alcoholism

waxen oyster
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if my alcohol tolerance was higher

keen spruce
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They only call you an addict until you’re the best at it

weary stump
severe meadow
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@marsh fjord wake up

weary stump
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How'd these mfers do araz but can't walk together to a funny orb

waxen oyster
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Well araz most people do the braindead strat

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of put adds behind right

marsh fjord
severe meadow
marsh fjord
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I’m waiting

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For my friend

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Then we rewatch it

severe meadow
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I just finished up the content reveal

marsh fjord
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Don’t spoil anything

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I will report back

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When we are done

severe meadow
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I think it fucks

marsh fjord
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He is raiding so he couldn’t watch it so I’m waiting for him

severe meadow
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Idc about Druid, but

ripe edge
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It seems fatebound is the go to in ST.. for M+ is deathstalker the clear winner overall or does fatebound find its way as viable in anyway?

analog field
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no the difference is too much

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you can run a dungeon slice and check the difference

balmy condor
ripe edge
crisp ibex
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is assa buggeD?

balmy condor
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gonna need to be a bit more specific than

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"is bug?"

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can't really help with that KEKL

marsh fjord
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The answer would always be yes 😄

crisp ibex
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my kingsbane was cd infinite

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had to reload

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and its fine now

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S:

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coulndt use the 2nd kingsbane for one try but nvm its ok now

stray ridge
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Hello its possible playing kingsbane in m+ too? I really loved that in legion

balmy condor
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yes, there are builds in all the guides

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I mean

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it is possible

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but it's just not recommended

marsh fjord
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Kinda griefing tho 😄

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Depends on the key level

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If its a +2

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yeah sure

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If its a 15+ i wouldnt recommend it

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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Show me the comp

balmy condor
marsh fjord
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Because if he is there simply for ST damage. then i would understand it

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Yeah

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I would also run KB in that comp

stray ridge
balmy condor
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there's a +20 streets done on fatebound

marsh fjord
balmy condor
balmy condor
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the whole point is that things are totally playable

marsh fjord
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and you have no clue the differences between the 2

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But you have a good point.

balmy condor
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I mean if you can time 20's playing stuff that's objectively dogshit

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then I'm sure the person unable to find talent builds on the wowhead guide will do just fine

marsh fjord
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Yeah i agree, but also KB gets stronger how higher the key goes. because if you play KB in a +2 before you ramped your KB the target is dead.

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So some context matter in my opinion

balmy condor
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I guess

thorn thorn
marsh fjord
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what level of m+

balmy condor
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but if you're playing keys where things are getting nuked 5 seconds into your kingsbane then like who cares what you're playing anyway

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the key is of no concern

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just play for fun

marsh fjord
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hahaha yeah thts also true

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it does not matter at all 😄

stray ridge
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I didnt played really keys, i lvl up with lemix and want now to keys... I just dislike not using kingsbane its just a fun abillity to play

marsh fjord
stray ridge
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So its the hybrid build right?

marsh fjord
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Yeah

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Want a link?

stray ridge
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I am on his wowhead guide but thanks 🙂

marsh fjord
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CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttMzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzMzgZmZzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA

its this code

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You can just copy it in-game

stray ridge
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I know that i am now useless on aoe but thats fine, assa was long time only good there

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Ty

marsh fjord
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np

severe meadow
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am I cooked chat

main bridge
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wtf

severe meadow
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People really out here beating 146 days in voice

marsh fjord
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Which e-girl was it

severe meadow
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Prob a lot of afk hours in a irl friend Discord

marsh fjord
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Yeah thats what they all say.

severe meadow
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I did date a girl awhile back who played games, but we knew each other in person

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Now I have an ex and a dog that I didn't even name

marsh fjord
main bridge
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man what

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how do you not name the dog

stray ridge
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Which poison i should use @marsh fjord

severe meadow
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She named it but gave it to me

marsh fjord
prisma monolithBOT
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You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:

Lethals:

  • Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
    Non-Lethals:
  • Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB

Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used

marsh fjord
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Bro if someone gave me a dog im giving it a new name

severe meadow
main bridge
severe meadow
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Did you watch the mf content reveal yet

stray ridge
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Count that for hybrid too?

main bridge
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what's that?

severe meadow
main bridge
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ohh i saw the druid video earlier

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looks cool

marsh fjord
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It fucks

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probaly not gonna play druid and if i do its probaly gonna be the werewolve since i feel like the bear is to slow

severe meadow
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I wanna dabble with the echoing warcry stuff

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but not on Druid

stray ridge
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Whats DTB?

marsh fjord
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I'm probaly gonna play lich/crossbow poe2 did a build guide last league on it. and looked intesting but not sure yet

marsh fjord
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So you can equip 4

main bridge
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Dragon Tempered Blades

stray ridge
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Deadly, Amplifying , Nubing and then?

balmy condor
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you're a casual jay

balmy condor
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oh

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numbing

stray ridge
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I use yours

balmy condor
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then crippling

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it's the only one left

stray ridge
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I have 6 poisons xD

balmy condor
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yeah well the other two you have are instant poison and wound poison, which you can see from the tooltip do absolute dogshit damage

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and they're also both lethal poisons

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so since you're using deadly and amplifying already

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they're not really options :P

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you only have two non-lethals available at a given time

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so you just use whatever two you have

stray ridge
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So its right good ^^

balmy condor
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ye

stray ridge
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Ty for ur help

marsh fjord
main bridge
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daamn

balmy condor
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for the record that special message is just the default discord gave

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I didn't type that cringe

marsh fjord
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hahahaha 😄

balmy condor
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I would type some shit like "can't wait to suck them toes again" or whatever

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like a true king

marsh fjord
marsh fjord
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@balmy condor That boss with the orbs kinda looked tough earlier on stream

balmy condor
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the bosses are very overtuned compared to the gear we got scaled to

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I think a lot of the difficulty is just testing with 2 dps missing and being in champ track

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if those orbs actually died it would be chill

marsh fjord
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I dont know if you know but that boss is kinda tank boss right?

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A lot of kiting

balmy condor
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it's just positioning for the most part yeah

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puddles on the ground and the orbs keep respawning

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so you have to kite around the room constantly

marsh fjord
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Looked interesting

severe meadow
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The e girl in question…

main bridge
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it's me, i'm the e girl

thorn thorn
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Bearjuicer

garf

severe meadow
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You know how to read?

coral ibex
thorn thorn
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My top server is The Trap House

thorn thorn
balmy condor
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I mean maybe you would

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I'd juice @spice spire

severe meadow
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Is he a.. bear?

spice spire
runic hinge
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He’s not a bear

spice spire
runic hinge
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He lives on boykisser island do not let him gaslight you

balmy condor
severe meadow
spice spire
marsh fjord
main bridge
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i wanted to find the one where it has the boykissing simulator game

coral ibex
balmy condor
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You gonna get a smooch on the forehead for that shit

runic hinge
haughty flicker
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wow thats uncomfortable

balmy condor
main bridge
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i had my suspicions

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that's the best Superman movie btw

ripe edge
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@balmy condor Hey boss sorry for another question! I noticed in your guide you mention a CB macro for kingsbane. Would it matter much if I reverse the macro to showtool tip for kingsbane and have it so when I hit kingsbane it will CB everytime? Am I wrong with my thinking there?

balmy condor
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Yeh legit doesn’t matter

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If you flip it, you’d just have to watch your cold blood timer some other way I guess

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The fatebound tier set constantly bugs out and gives you double the cdr on kingsbane

balmy condor
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makes parsing a huge nightmare garf

marsh fjord
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Talking about parsing i wonder how parsing gonna go next tier since everything is simplified. would that mean getting higher parses are easier or harder

marsh fjord
balmy condor
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but interestingly, parsing like 97-100 will be just as difficult as before

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same as parsing super low like <10

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when things get simplified and gearing is capped, what ends up happening is it's not "harder" to parse

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but instead, all the parses tend towards the median

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so you basically get this big clump in the middle

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where like 40-70% is super compact

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and the moment you break out of the back you jump to like 90

runic hinge
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So stack crit and hope for the best

haughty flicker
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just hit

severe meadow
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stacking haste so I attack faster

marsh fjord
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I understand that i'm just wondering because its so simplified what would be the difference between a 70% or a 90% i understand more damage, but im just curious because if things are so simplified people must be doing different things to get more damage out

balmy condor
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being able to pad

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proc rng

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kill time

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I fully expect all the top parses to basically just be sales runs

marsh fjord
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Gotcha gotta find a beter guild

balmy condor
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much easier to do giga aoe and pad out of your gourd if there's 4 people dead on the floor not taking the damage away from you

marsh fjord
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Thats also a thing a noticed as example on loom. i had a giga parse once and that just because execute lasted way longer because of people dead.

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and i could get 2 sets of DM

coral ibex
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that's why carry runs often end up with great parses

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more damage for you

marsh fjord
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Also does a heroic week negatively impact parses or be positive for them?

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You basically get more gear right

balmy condor
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it doesn't really impact parses

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at least by end of the tier

marsh fjord
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What about early parses?

balmy condor
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I mean yeh, first couple weeks, the earlier you do heroic/mythic, the better off you'll be

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you save crests, have more access to myth track

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you're just outgearing the majority of the population

marsh fjord
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Would you say having a guild at around 500 WR compared to 2k WR would increase the chance of getting better parses?

balmy condor
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yes

fallow canopy
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@thorn thorn xla

thorn thorn
slim copper
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guys for dimmy, do i want fb with cs? or ib?

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assuming ib

marsh fjord
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You go spatter

haughty flicker
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if there is ever any cleave whatsoever you go spatter

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regardless of hero tree

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if you'll tickle an adds balls

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go spatter

slim copper
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lol ok

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thanks guys

waxen oyster
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"if you dont get off my circle spot im just gonna cloak and asssinate you"

unborn wharf
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double checking w/ fatebound does it matter if vanish is before / after shiv and kingsbane and stuff? I remember whyspyr saying it doesnt matter just wanna double check

haughty flicker
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all that matters is you use it before one of your cold blood buffed envenoms

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the only exception being if you have prism macroed to vanish

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then you want to vanish before deathmark/kb so those coinflips get buffed by prism

unborn wharf
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oh right yeah ok that sounds good ty

desert vault
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on dimmy when we casting prism in p1? on pull or second deathmark?

marsh fjord
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Some people do it 1:30

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some people do on pull

desert vault
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i mean we are early on prog, just started last night

marsh fjord
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P1 or platform?

desert vault
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p1

marsh fjord
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if you still on p1 i would send on 1:30

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i think 1:30 is just good

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But if you see most people are sending

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on start

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but with 1:30 it means your not overcapping your prism

coral ibex
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@balmy condor will ravenholdt float?

desert vault
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can you step to dimmy every knockback? like sometimes feels ok, others time not so much

haughty flicker
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depends on your tanks positioning

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if thats not safe step to a dk

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or anyone you know will be safe

desert vault
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don't think i have a dk on my side

haughty flicker
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stepping to anyone will stop your momentum

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so just anyone you know isnt right on the edge

gilded oasis
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I stepped to a Monk. the DH was too spooky they dropped off a few times

nova kelp
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I feel like this is legit 90% trolling in here

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#roguediscthings

sharp viper
rotund oak
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if he comes back at you asking tell him ''its me or you''

wary light
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Any assa gods out here able to help me log review some dimmy stuff? I can't ever seem to log well on it over multiple kills and want to know if I'm doing something wrong - it's the last fight I need to log decently on to not have a dogwater average 🙃

flint tusk
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I'm curious what Whispyr's says given he's a master typer in here

normal mist
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I thought exactly the same when I saw mine

severe meadow
flint tusk
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I thought i was bad. but i'm barely a scratch on you guys

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then there some of my friends.......

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who

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type

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like

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this

severe meadow
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I had 3500 hours in voice or so, he has 4150~ xd

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if I didn't run out of money...

prime hull
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is there a reason to not macro vanish to deathmark for fatebound btw

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im pretty sure if vanish is up, you always want to press it with deathmark

severe meadow
main bobcat
spice spire
main bobcat
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same thing actually

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my bad king

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have this

humble verge
knotty vapor
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Anyone got me beat?

humble verge
knotty vapor
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On josh

royal lantern
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that would be one of those moments where you should stop for a second and rethink your choices

humble verge
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On Alejandro

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i mean u can just farm voice

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by making a disc server and just stay there 24/7

knotty vapor
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I am unironically in a long distance relationship so we do be in call all day

humble verge
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ACTUALLY EDATING sobbos

knotty vapor
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It's only e-dating until u meet

royal lantern
knotty vapor
severe meadow
knotty vapor
balmy condor
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(I only have 4k Sadge)

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But I’ll beat you pookie bear dw

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Distance can’t hold us

knotty vapor
haughty flicker
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i love when my partner says distance is no obstacle to beating me

weary stump
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Domestic abuse can be done from great distances through your neo home assistance robot

humble verge
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how is an online writer(unemployed title fr) less on the internet than a random guy

balmy condor
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4k is still 11.5 hours per day average tf you mean big dog

humble verge
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i said

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you need to LOCK IN

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if you aint in the 8 thousands youre a wacko

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(i have less than 1,5k)

weary stump
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The best thing to do with housing is to make a prison cell at the spot where people spawn after exiting your house

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Make them hearth garf

humble verge
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cant they just tp to their own tho

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instead of hearthing

weary stump
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Yeah but still funny OHMYGOSH

humble verge
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its always the one you least expect to be malicious

weary stump
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The rogue would never, surely

thorn thorn
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@royal lantern

marsh fjord
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Visually whats the greatest tierset ever made for rogues

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I'm letting someone make an animated wallpaper of my rogue and i can pick whatever armor set

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But i can't decide 😄

normal mist
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what are your options

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pick 3 to narrow it down

marsh fjord
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I was thinking about this one :d

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But im really not sure haha 😄

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I could even do the new midnight tier set

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maybe i will do that

normal mist
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There are stamples for rogue over the years, vancleef being one of them yeah

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How long have you been playing // when did you go more hardcore on wow?

marsh fjord
normal mist
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Usually the expansion we start at is where we remember most of the sets, legion was really good for that

balmy condor
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I don't remember shit from wod

normal mist
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example being these 2 elite sets

marsh fjord
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But i can basically pick every set i want

#

Just need to add in the dressing room

#

This is how my DK ended up

#

But we gotta swap it for a rogue now

#

and move this to the second screen

normal mist
#

hmhm, anyhow, IF you want to check some stuff before you submit what you want, check #1262437829150113855 , even if its kinda dead atm, lots of good sets there

#

If not, van cleef is amazing, a shame its so low res

marsh fjord
#

Yeah he can remove the ress basically and make it really good looking, thanks for the recommedation i will take a look

waxen oyster
#

ressed up

rotund oak
#

ofc human is always the superior choice

#

hands down

#

period

normal mist
#

Thanks, I really enjoyed doing that one but didn't get much attention on that specific one at the time

#

Tmog was kinda dead

royal lantern
humble verge
proven cliff
pure moth
#

i'd personally do it as it shows its an upgrade. So its up to you if you want to optimize. I cant imagine the mats would be that much gold. If you get mats, not like you have to leave a tip. saves some gold.

proven cliff
humble verge
#

icl, crafting this late in the tier feels useless, if youre not trying to minmax for 0.1% or going for r1 parses in raid

#

im just kidding

humble verge
fallow canopy
#

How's the 5th rogue going?

humble verge
#

hes not leveled yet

fallow canopy
ripe edge
#

So on fights like Araz and Soulbinder, wouldn't Deathstalker be the play? When I'm looking through logs it looks like Fatebound is taken over it by a mile, but I was under the impression that deathstalker should clear fatebound in AoE generally

slim copper
#

Y’all have any secret tech for mitigating kickback on dimmy? I can cloak one but I’d rather use it on antimatter soak. Is ss to a dk viable?

#

Or will it still knock me

ripe edge
scarlet orbit
waxen oyster
#

but dks generally stay still before knock

severe meadow
#

You only care about boss damage

real pike
whole snow
#

wtf am I not allowed to shitpost in peace

royal lantern
#

shitposting gets you banned

#

only serious talks

thorn thorn
#

Gotta shitpost in the dk discord

#

And doom about unholy

whole snow
thorn thorn
#

Could do so much more

#

Like make taez go insane with copege terri_gato

whole snow
#

Unholy bad updoots left

thorn thorn
#

I dont understand

balmy condor
#

what's the cd on that

#

legit grouped up 100k mobs with one keystoke

#

and these fuckers say grip ain't a raid buff

royal lantern
whole snow
waxen oyster
#

not a buff

#

shut down the discord

whole snow
royal lantern
#

does it frking matter if its a single or mass grip lol

whole snow
#

Yes

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Only 1 spec has mass grip

royal lantern
#

you bring a DK for their unique utility, thats the point

#

fucking DK players crying more then mages and paladins at this point

#

unbelivable

#

after 1 1/2 expansions where they where a God Class OMEGAKEKW

whole snow
#

Tuning is irrelevant to the raid buff discussion and it’s not our fault rogue sucks

royal lantern
# whole snow Yes

so they should remove Mystic touch from Brewmaster, because many guilds tend to fill that with a brewmaster

#

right

whole snow
#

But mistweaver and Windwalker had 5%

royal lantern
#

DKs are just the biggest crybabies in the game for 4 years now

spice surge
#

Dimensius copypasta is great

balmy condor
#

ladies you both suck equally hard

#

quit fighting about it

royal lantern
waxen oyster
#

tbh rogue buff doesnt matter

#

for 90% of guilds

haughty flicker
#

it matters because i tell them it matters

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and so i get a free spot

#

although i probably not rogue next tier

#

rip spot

runic hinge
#

I think I am rogue

haughty flicker
#

i think my ranged arc begins

balmy condor
#

I'm rouge

royal lantern
balmy condor
#

🔴

thorn thorn
pliant remnant
runic hinge
#

Spriest still has zero mobility and feral seems to be dooming idk. Hard to tell over there

pliant remnant
#

you're violette

runic hinge
#

Violent for sure

pliant remnant
#

or

#

pourpre actually

runic hinge
#

They got some kinda cool stuff but they all hate the loss of blood talons and snapshotting

nova oxide
#

@balmy condor about that wowhead post. Naah, it blew up our home.

whole snow
hallow glade
#

i hope they do this to your class

balmy condor
whole snow
hallow glade
coral ibex
#

boom

slow helm
analog field
#

I was rejected from a guild application coz in my 10-15 logs from dimmy I don't swap on the adds ( we have seen like the first and the second adds). Is this logical?

balmy condor
#

no, that's a guild that doesn't have a fucking clue lmao

#

dodged a bullet with that one

#

dumbass raid leaders just cannot comprehend add damage beyond "he didn't hard-swap so he must be bad"

#

sadly very common

rare moss
#

My raid lead let's me sit boss and and just spatter cleave the adds, said adds are the ele shamans job 🤣

analog field
#

yeah they said that they want people playing for the kill and not for the parse and I was wondering how true this statement could be

balmy condor
#

yeah ngl that's just brainrot then

#

the correct response to that shit is "and I want a guild that understands spec dynamics in the raid group"

rare moss
#

That rl does not know class and spec strengths and weaknesses then

#

Like whispyr said, you dodged a bullet there

rare moss
supple spindle
#

@balmy condor yo, have you seen my shrine?

balmy condor
#

I have in fact

#

multiple people have linked that and similar

#

not really something I can add to a wowhead article though lets be real OmegaLUL

rare moss
#

That's true art

balmy condor
#

the discussion did happen though

#

of where we should draw the line

#

so

#

rest assured that it was an option for a second there

supple spindle
#

No, it’s actually good that it was not an option because i have a borderline degenerate idea which i’m working on

balmy condor
#

hate that

supple spindle
#

😄

royal lantern
#

almost every single spec does dmg trought cleaving now

#

like, actual hard swapping is not really a big thing

analog field
#

Yeah I don't even know what the diff would be if I actually casted like 2 envenoms on an add. 25m instead of 20 let's say?

balmy condor
#

Slightly more than nothing vs slightly more than slightly more than nothing

#

Realistically you’re gonna be fighting with the tanks on add damage

#

Regardless of what you do

analog field
#

I should pop DM on first set and say see what I did there?

shy creek
#

unironically you could to prove a point

#

he guys look i did 30m dmg to adds and lost 150m on boss

#

big !

lunar geyser
#

are our apex talents still bugged on midnight beta?

royal lantern
#

no

haughty flicker
severe meadow
#

@balmy condor you're making my guild horny bro

spice spire
balmy condor
analog field
supple spindle
tight ginkgo
#

when whispyr posts a new video

#

(it is very painful to do all of this as i am not a cartoon character; post less please)

glad vessel
#

YOOO bois i havent played assa at all this tier so i just had a teeny tiny question
do u just spam envenom ? or do u pool for KB or just maintain 2 stacks and refresh instead of spam?

balmy condor
glad vessel
balmy condor
#

Yes

glad vessel
#

man now im lowkey glad i didnt play it this tier LMAO

#

the midnight assa looked interesting so i thought I'd get reaquainted now

glad vessel
balmy condor
#

Np

#

Is what it is kinda

#

Poisons just ain’t shit

glad vessel
#

yeaa i guess thats why just want finisher damage

subtle imp
#

quick question. guides says to overlap shiv during deathmark, but also to have shiv for last 8 seconds of kingsbane. Is the last 8 seconds only for subsequent KB casts for do I also do it for deathmark KBs

royal lantern
#

during dm, use shiv when the first shiv drops cus you wanna cover the entire dm duration

#

when its the solo kb, you use shiv for the last 8 seconds

subtle imp
#

ok thanksSurebud

waxen oyster
#

your spec choices this season

glad vessel
#

there is no physical damage sub huh

#

poor outlaw

spice surge
#

Sub is like 60% physical

glad vessel
#

eleem i love u man but this is a certified 🤓 moment

jolly stirrup
#

Tomorrow MIGHT be the day we kill Saladbar. I doubt it, but we made good progress into P3 last thursday

radiant aspen
#

gang

#

how do i improve i know theres alot improvment that needs to be done any tips

#

?

haughty flicker
#

well

#

you missed an entire deathmark

#

you pressed it on pull and then not again until 3m

#

so that certainly doesnt help

radiant aspen
#

ik but heres thing if death mark at begging and i death mark befor end of phase 1 then i have deathmarke late on platform like super late

#

and i have death mark super late on burn phase

#

idk how to adjust that so i just dont send 1 death mark at the end of phase 1

haughty flicker
#

you press deathmark literally the global its available every time its off cd

#

if your platform dies fast then yeah the titan will die mid deathmark, but a bad cast is better than none

#

and it'll be up partway into the amp

radiant aspen
#

what about burn

#

coz i need to heave it going into bloodlust

#

wich i never make

#

if i press it on cd

haughty flicker
#

if you're pressing it on cd

radiant aspen
#

hmm

#

okay

#

ill look into that more

#

thanks

haughty flicker
#

you also missed a use of kingsbane during the fight but that would be for the same reasons

#

gotta press it the moment its up too

#

to keep up with the fight

radiant aspen
#

yeah idk i can miss out on platform thats okay

#

but i need to have it for burn

#

so if pressing it on cd makes it to come up for burn

#

then ill try to do that

#

if u get lucky coin on first deathmarks

#

it makes this fight

#

so good

scarlet orbit
#

Because your not using dm at 1.30 with prism you also lose prism stacks because you overcapp them

crisp sluice
#

Yo - im starting to have trouble in keys at the 16-17 level with the bleed build. Like, my boss damage is so pathetic. Is there anything at all we can do? Should we be swapping to the hybrid build for this level of key? Any advice appreciated

normal mist
#

Ask your tank to bring adds to the bosses

waxen oyster
#

or play sub

#

you're a budget dk no matter which way you do it tbh

jade abyss
#

I have a question guys, i know i can bind prism with vanish. But its okay to use it earlier? Maybe with second dm? I ask bcs in some heroic raids bosses die so fast i not abler to use second vanish..

pliant remnant
#

The difference is really small IIRC

severe meadow
#

You don't need a full prism to send

marsh fjord
#

Guys does anyone know to when you can get CE, some people are telling me it's its even after pre-patch and before season 1 hits.

#

I thought it went away when pre-patch hits

balmy condor
#

Usually it’s expansion release I think

#

I could be wrong, but I feel like people got CE after prepatch in Dragonflight with new talent trees

analog field
marsh fjord
#

So i was confused

dawn seal
#

elo

#

am i allowed to ask midnight questons here

main bridge
jade abyss
#

Ty guys

severe meadow
#

@thorn thorn

jolly stirrup
#

It felt weird for me as well

jolly stirrup
sharp viper
sharp viper
shy axle
#

can you force the cd reduction bug in any way?

coral ibex
#

"no"

buoyant mauve
#

if I get the cd bug do I just hold my 2nd kb for dm instead of the usual dm/kb>kb>dm/kb?

errant heath
#

You play for cb I believe so you send the Kb when cb comes up

buoyant mauve
# errant heath You play for cb I believe so you send the Kb when cb comes up

so on a fight like frac I see on lorrgs that most of the top 50 are doing that, but there's a bit more variation in the top 10 where only half of people are doing so. 4 people send the kb early w/o the cb and 1 person holds both until dm#2 at 1:07. excluding external buffs the new top 10 still have 4 people sending early but no one else holding for dm#2

buoyant mauve
#

I'm guessing rule of thumb is to play it normally so cb lines up unless you can get an extra cast of cd's in for a fight or to line up cd's for a new phase or amp that's coming up

coral ibex
#

there's nothing about fract other than kill time that would make sending vs cb align vs hold for kb/dm better

analog field
#

I would guess that for fract the best thing is to send an early DM in hopes that you use 4 of them

humble verge
#

we are finally done boosting garf_sit

spice spire
#

Goat

red schooner
#

Hi

spice spire
#

Hello

severe meadow
uneven plume
#

We still send DM/KB on platform phase on nexus king?

#

or is it only KB now

balmy condor
#

Send dm and hope you bug garf_sit

haughty flicker
jolly stirrup
#

Damn so close :(

dapper parcel
#

What percentages are you guy running at for crit and mast during mythic raids and / or mythic dungeons?

radiant aspen
#

gang is assa coocked in new beta update

#

?

balmy condor
dapper parcel
#

Lol can be pretty different, but ok.

balmy condor
#

we got sims for that

#

raidbots spits out whatever gear you have

#

that's what you run

jolly stirrup
#

Nice winter BRO

dapper parcel
balmy condor
#

I mean it kinda was

severe meadow
#

We do what sims tells us

#

I can tell you I’m at 70% crit but that doesn’t do anything for your stats

main bridge
#

too late already copied your stats and now i'm rank 1

severe meadow
#

Damnit he figured it out

dapper parcel
severe meadow
#

Good luck or whatever

main bridge
#

NOOOO don't reveal the secret

dapper parcel
main bridge
dapper parcel
spice surge
#

Youre getting snarky responses because comparing your stat values or approximating them into any form of weights is antequated when you can just plug your character into raidbots and get insanely more accurate calculations

main bridge
dapper parcel
main bridge
#

you think being top ranked means you can't be wrong?

severe meadow
spice surge
#

So like even if you were to get a serious response with exactly how much crit they have, theres literally nothing useful to do with that information

dapper parcel
severe meadow
#

Top ranked would send you to sims man

#

I hate to tell you

dapper parcel
main bridge
#

fascinating

#

even when presented with new ideas from multiple people, you refuse to even consider something besides your own opinion

severe meadow
#

You mean

main bridge
#

apparently

severe meadow
#

Supposedly

dapper parcel
main bridge
#

well you did get an answer, multiple times

#

you just didn't like it

severe meadow
#

Homie doesn’t realize we rely on jank to even parse

dapper parcel
main bridge
#

so now you're pretending you didn't get one

severe meadow
main bridge
severe meadow
#

You want a full stat break down and for what when sims does it for you

#

Do you want a different stat breakdown from 14 different rogues?

#

For a spreadsheet?

dapper parcel
dapper parcel
severe meadow
#

Alright you’re just ragebaiting

main bridge
#

what's funny about running a sim?

severe meadow
#

+1 to the ignore list

#

Good luck with this nuclear science question thing you got going on

dapper parcel
spice surge
severe meadow
jolly stirrup
#

I was rank 4 Fractillus at one point, does that count?

severe meadow
#

Can you give me the full stat breakdown?

main bridge
#

i'm pretty sure Whispyr has been rank 1 at least once and he was the first person to tell this person to sim

severe meadow
#

I would also like to push for rank 4 but need your stats for this

#

Or something

jolly stirrup
severe meadow
jolly stirrup
#

Gotta downgrade for that

jolly stirrup
haughty flicker
#

I was rank 1 lfr dausegne as outlaw can I weigh in here

haughty flicker
jolly stirrup
#

(Me who never played anything else than assa rogue)

#

Cba to learn something else currently

waxen oyster
#

4 tier pieces, soulhunter boots, loom/nk dagger in your mh, logic alpha due to access for one ring, reshi cloak, plexus belt high chance

#

most people's gear variance is going to be 1 neck+1 ring

marsh fjord
#

Doesn’t matter how long the season takes or whatever season is it there is always people coming in here and causing issues over stats

#

It’s really beautiful

runic hinge
#

Are we talking raid or m+

dapper parcel
marsh fjord
balmy condor
waxen oyster
#

whats worse is this guy probably is playing some meme race

#

and stressing it

#

buying a racechange likely would be more

marsh fjord
runic hinge
marsh fjord
#

About the side stats

#

And it made me laugh so hard

#

lol

runic hinge
balmy condor
#

yearly tradition at this point

#

make video saying your secondaries ain't shit for fuck

waxen oyster
#

nah wdym whispyr

#

the fact 5k of my stats are in haste instead of crit

#

is why i green parse

balmy condor
#

people with no understanding go NUH UH IF SECONDARY EXIST THEN IT MATTERS OBVIOUSLY YOU CANT SAY THAT

#

and then we repeat

runic hinge
#

Look at the blue balls on my shoulders

waxen oyster
#

If your equipped ilvl doesnt say 729.63

#

lower yo tone

#

ngl

runic hinge
#

Reminds me of @spice spire

spice spire
#

?

waxen oyster
#

i think the diff in my sub and sin gear is literally

#

i swap my neck and 1 ring

#

and ig 2nd trinket because im not mentally ill to play double on use sin

runic hinge
waxen oyster
#

yet will trust chatgpt to be their therapist

#

really makes you think

spice spire
waxen oyster
#

Honestly anyone else felt this tier gearing was super easy

#

Being gear capped for over 1.5 months now feels odd

runic hinge
waxen oyster
#

i gained a whopping 2k dps from it

runic hinge
#

Gains

severe meadow
#

Boiling an ocean for 2k dps is pretty based

waxen oyster
#

yeah im the reason gpu prices are cooked

runic hinge
#

Raidbots is not AI it’s fine

waxen oyster
#

i like how chatgpt thinks a female orc character

#

is male

#

sorry "body 2"

waxen oyster
#

to spatter harder

nimble tartan
#

guys im sorry my friend mort was like that

#

i was the top rank friend he was talking about

balmy condor
#

it's so hot when you take accountability omr

nimble tartan
#

i gave him a stern talking to and made him stand in the corner of my punishment room

rain mortar
#

is there some new bug causing our CDs to not get reduced by tier set or something?

#

im on dimmy prog and twice now my deathmark CD has just been 2 minutes?

drifting cloud
#

no weve had that one aswell but its alot more rare

marsh fjord
balmy condor
#

old bug, just way more rare

nova kelp
main bridge
#

i've never even watched him, only seen the memes

nova kelp
#

if you DO watch him, you will probably (unknowingly) come across a fair number of clips of me deliberately mirror matching and dunking on the guy just to have him blow up and make excuses

one of my favourite hobbies

#

I hope to one day trigger him deliberately into blocking me on every fighting game he plays

nimble tartan
scarlet orbit
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
scarlet orbit
#

!fok

prisma monolithBOT
#

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

  • Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
    Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
  • Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
    Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
  • Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

marsh fjord
#

@balmy condor we actually have to remove the WA command when midnight hits

balmy condor
#

Yuh

#

Have to delete like 80% of commands

#

Every expac has the great purge

supple spindle
#

Getting glide on every character is bis + you get to be lil ugly scally if you want to

normal mist
#

We could instead make it so !macro pops up a RIP 2000(whatever year WAs started) - 2026 gif with the WA logo

weary stump
#

We purge so that we can have a new bugged game command antennaglorp

ashen scroll
#

for the outside of DM shiv with kingsbane, do we still want to shiv at the last 8s of KB? or shiv-KB+CB

analog field
#

only on the lone KB you shiv for the last 8 sec

#

when you cast DM you shiv to cover the whole DM

ashen scroll
#

ye

#

ive just been seeing some different usage on logs

#

some do shiv-KB and others do KB----8s shiv

#

havent touched this spec since 11.1 so im trying to catch up xd

analog field
#

you want to buff the stacked KB

ashen scroll
#

ya that makes sense to me

left pine
#

!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
pastel roost
#

Hey guys, just wondering i'm applying in a guild that downed DImensius. Now until now i only managed to try Dimensius P1 and mainly use assassination. Is there any reason why Sub would be preferable to assa for P2 ?

marsh fjord
#

That’s where sub is used

pastel roost
#

Right, but for miniboss damages, assa is king right ?

waxen oyster
#

you wont have cds for 2nd mini

#

unless you hold dps