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you can skip the first envenom if you want, i dont think its much of a gain for the entire phase
envenom
but i still think that im not using all of it on burst
to opening i mean
burst and etc
same, but i think that sometimes i open my burst and have 5-8 seconds left only
of the dmg amp
like im just looking comparably at a somewhat %based wipe that is the same, in terms of dps and my experience i am doing somewhat of a gaming
yea but you also have a lot of damage indexed into execute
by playing assa
gaining 1 envenom in the amp will hardly make or break your parse
it is more important to have 100% uptime for all of p3
you gain more damage by getting crit luck during execute DM than fitting 1 more envenom into the amp

theres a comparable difference in terms of the amp - here you have Neeo's amp, youre doing the usual rupture into envenom
so until i get to 30% of p3 my dmg will be a little bit lower than usual logs?
which i myself feels like is a waste of time
compared to my own, i get my 5cp+garr into rup and then insta CDs for the most value
sure ill get like max 3 seconds more amp probably?
but those 3 seconds are a lot when the boss is taking that damage
you do 30% more damage in execute, so yea
sad, we are in prog so i will not see that in a while i think
im trying to do it aswell
well you should be near the top of details for the whole fight
assa is the best spec on dim
i mean, yes, im really trying to figure out why im not at
im actualy overall the 5° on dps metters
elementals and dk
shouldnt really be possible tbf
if anyone
no, dk and elementals
eles are like
are you all 729/730
hm
some are like
are you potting p1
726/728/727
yes im
i usually save my vanish for the 1m30 cds but idk if thats a gain
since i dont vanish either platform
so thats another question, im not using vanish the entire p2, saving it for p3 and the prism as well
What's the best talent to drop so you can pick up Iron Wire?
there are no good talents to drop for iron wire
they're all significant dps losses
just kick
Alright, thank you.
it used to be drop a shiv but shiv is too important to season 3 tier
you want as much prism stacked for p3 so yea you dont vanish the platforms
so ty u guys for the help, i will keep trying, if i finaly get to execut p3 i will return to ask for your opinions once more
hahaha
if you send dm plat 1 and send vanish still wo prism, you will get it back for burn and have everything
I am a bit confused
oh wait
a okey I see
but the guy you are answering for that is surely not the case if he is progging
so yeah
during prog, more damage is almost never good
on the platforms
you want locked in healer cds
i guess you could vanish without prism
i just have it macro'd
like sure makes sense but the comment I replied to is abit misinformative still but thats also very nitpicking and unneccessary from me. I am in a decent 2 day guild around wr 600 and we usually have decent dps but I can comfortably vanish first plat and still have for burn but yeah its not that deep sorry for the yap
not sub2 min p1
get outta here
yeah I usually have it macrod myself but just put normal vanish on my keybind bars for dim and nexus and press prism manually there
I was a bit curious what kinda blaster guild you where in so I must admit I checked and looking and just skimming through logs and stuff I am pretty sure you would be able to send a naked vanish too tbh
your logs are better than mine and its not like I am comparing virtual d's here but surely only vanishing opener and burn is sort of wrong when you are 8 mins in combat ish even doe alot of downtime so yeah weird garfd emojing me whatever that means
i dont vanish the opener
i vanish at 1:30
with 9 prism stacks
thought you would have figured that out from snooping my logs
so it would not be possible to vanish the platforms
hahahah i didnt go deep but fair
i have to use 9 prism stacks before the amp or i'll overcap
but if you vanish opener then yea sure you can likely vanish artoshion
i would be crashing out if i vanished artoshion and it meant we pushed too fast and then i dont have it for amp
I see I see
in prog i sent 18 stacks and vanish into artoshion and had like 14 stacks for amp
but we weren't 729 yet
I mean its a big diff between a naked vanish and a vanish + full stacked prism. I also progged dimensius before uncapped ilvl . But yeah theres alot of different ways to do stuff and alot of different factors play in. Especially on a fight like dimensius. The point I was trying to make is mostly that vanish and prism isnt a package deal and theres scenarios where you would maybe send vanish wo prism even doe it exists a reccommended prism + vanish macro
vanish is kinda irrelevant to dmg it is just one extra coin flip, it doesn't make or break your dmg
ye so I dont get the whole holding vanish and missing out of vanish charges and tipping it to others but it def doesnt make or break anything as pointed above^
yeah a lot of people (including me) dont have vanish without the prism macro, and just don't bother with it
i drained the niagara falls with this sim, you think it was worth the extra ~13k dps @coral ibex https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ax75XfJ34KcHrYZJSGmjse

about to make a warrior for the fun of it cause of the tw event
Anyone got the beta changes?
Ah nvm ty
!wa
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
Alright I'm stuck on my phone and really don't feel like trying to navigate Warcraft logs. Is there an easy way to see who the problem children are when it comes to early deaths?
The ones who die early
Lol I need to make a case for replacing certain indivudals
Say they die early
We're 100 wipes into p1 and haven't even gotten to gating through the beams
In the first minute lmao
To random shit
We have 5-7 deaths by minute one almost every pull
I mean I can look at the death logs but it’s just general skill issue
Are you guys baiting beams properly
Definitely not
Yeah the strat changed in the last 10 pulls
And we bait the beams to the center now instead of stacking near where the soak point is
Idk if that's correct tho
Yeah you can just run to the circle
The problem then becomes ranged greeding casts
We had a warlock come to raid drunk last night
Needless to say I was really not happy
We had the same issue for approx 200 pulls 😛
We had a guy 6 beers in by an hour
"It's ok im russian it takes 12 to actually hamper me"
hell yeah alcoholism
W alcoholism
ngl i'd probably drink too if i watched people weeks in still die in p1
if my alcohol tolerance was higher
My group is 6 weeks into fucking mythic soul hunters because half the team can't do tethers and I'm so close to crashing out 
@marsh fjord wake up
How'd these mfers do araz but can't walk together to a funny orb
What’s up
you watch the poe 2 stream / content reveal?
I just finished up the content reveal
I think it fucks
He is raiding so he couldn’t watch it so I’m waiting for him
Idc about Druid, but
It seems fatebound is the go to in ST.. for M+ is deathstalker the clear winner overall or does fatebound find its way as viable in anyway?
fatebound is a solid 15-20% behind deathstalker in aoe
Oh, thats massive. Okay say less. Also thanks for your wowhead guide, giving it a good read right now, well put together 😉
is assa buggeD?
thank you
there's plenty of bugs with every spec in the game every patch no matter what
gonna need to be a bit more specific than
"is bug?"
can't really help with that 
The answer would always be yes 😄
my kingsbane was cd infinite
had to reload
and its fine now
S:
coulndt use the 2nd kingsbane for one try but nvm its ok now
Hello its possible playing kingsbane in m+ too? I really loved that in legion
No. you play bleed
yes, there are builds in all the guides
I mean
it is possible
but it's just not recommended
Kinda griefing tho 😄
Depends on the key level
If its a +2
yeah sure
If its a 15+ i wouldnt recommend it
Show me the comp
Because if he is there simply for ST damage. then i would understand it
Yeah
I would also run KB in that comp
In which section i can find it on your guide master ?
there's a +20 streets done on fatebound
Well thats because its streets right.
talent builds are on the talent page :P
sure, but most people still play bleed there
the whole point is that things are totally playable
I mean both builds are fine for sure. but if someone ask me can i play kingsbane generally my answer is gonna be no. because if you gotta ask your not doing high keys imo
and you have no clue the differences between the 2
But you have a good point.
I mean if you can time 20's playing stuff that's objectively dogshit
then I'm sure the person unable to find talent builds on the wowhead guide will do just fine
Yeah i agree, but also KB gets stronger how higher the key goes. because if you play KB in a +2 before you ramped your KB the target is dead.
So some context matter in my opinion
I guess

I am curious, What kinda keys are you doing?
what level of m+
but if you're playing keys where things are getting nuked 5 seconds into your kingsbane then like who cares what you're playing anyway
the key is of no concern
just play for fun
I didnt played really keys, i lvl up with lemix and want now to keys... I just dislike not using kingsbane its just a fun abillity to play
Ah yeah KB is fine ofcourse 🙂
So its the hybrid build right?
I am on his wowhead guide but thanks 🙂
CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMzMzMzwMAAAAAAAzixsNDAAAAAAttMzMYmxYmZWmlxYwMzMzgZmZzyYGgNzyADYJYZYCMsMA
its this code
You can just copy it in-game
I know that i am now useless on aoe but thats fine, assa was long time only good there
Ty
np
wtf
Which e-girl was it
Prob a lot of afk hours in a irl friend Discord
Yeah thats what they all say.
I did date a girl awhile back who played games, but we knew each other in person
Now I have an ex and a dog that I didn't even name
Jay is regular here 😄
Which poison i should use @marsh fjord
She named it but gave it to me
!poison
You should always be using poisons you talent into, which means the following:
Lethals:
- Deadly always + Amplifying if you're talented into it with DTB, Instant only as a final option
Non-Lethals: - Atrophic/Numbing, crippling if you're talented into DTB
Wound poison damage in PvE is atrocious and should never be used
Bro if someone gave me a dog im giving it a new name
I know Muffin, we kiss sometimes

Did you watch the mf content reveal yet
Count that for hybrid too?
what's that?
PoE 2 stuff, I was asking the other goober
yeah i did
It fucks
probaly not gonna play druid and if i do its probaly gonna be the werewolve since i feel like the bear is to slow
Whats DTB?
I'm probaly gonna play lich/crossbow poe2 did a build guide last league on it. and looked intesting but not sure yet
Its, the talent that gives you 2 extra poisons
So you can equip 4
Dragon Tempered Blades
Deadly, Amplifying , Nubing and then?
whatever you talented into on the class tree
oh
numbing
I use yours
I have 6 poisons xD
yeah well the other two you have are instant poison and wound poison, which you can see from the tooltip do absolute dogshit damage
and they're also both lethal poisons
so since you're using deadly and amplifying already
they're not really options :P
you only have two non-lethals available at a given time
so you just use whatever two you have
So its right good ^^
ye
Ty for ur help
My rizz master
daamn
for the record that special message is just the default discord gave
I didn't type that cringe
hahahaha 😄
I would type some shit like "can't wait to suck them toes again" or whatever
like a true king
@balmy condor That boss with the orbs kinda looked tough earlier on stream
the bosses are very overtuned compared to the gear we got scaled to
I think a lot of the difficulty is just testing with 2 dps missing and being in champ track
if those orbs actually died it would be chill
it's just positioning for the most part yeah
puddles on the ground and the orbs keep respawning
so you have to kite around the room constantly
Looked interesting
The e girl in question…
it's me, i'm the e girl
Bearjuicer

You know how to read?
My top server is The Trap House
I do surprisingly
you wouldn't juice a bear.....
I mean maybe you would
I'd juice @spice spire
Is he a.. bear?
I’d milk you king
He’s not a bear
If I were into men ye
He lives on boykisser island do not let him gaslight you
I went to prostate blast city and everyone knew you
I think you have to pay @thorn thorn to use that
You owe me royalties for that one king
Damn nooj's palace, thats the place to be ngl
i wanted to find the one where it has the boykissing simulator game
hey dont worry bro, i went to Thinks You Suck City and nobody there knew you
Damn bro
You gonna get a smooch on the forehead for that shit

wow thats uncomfortable
Did you know the S on Superman’s chest actually stands for Super Freak
@balmy condor Hey boss sorry for another question! I noticed in your guide you mention a CB macro for kingsbane. Would it matter much if I reverse the macro to showtool tip for kingsbane and have it so when I hit kingsbane it will CB everytime? Am I wrong with my thinking there?
Yeh legit doesn’t matter
If you flip it, you’d just have to watch your cold blood timer some other way I guess
The fatebound tier set constantly bugs out and gives you double the cdr on kingsbane
oh damn
makes parsing a huge nightmare 
Talking about parsing i wonder how parsing gonna go next tier since everything is simplified. would that mean getting higher parses are easier or harder
is this you

I actually did a long thing about this in like early shadowlands that has since been lost to time
but interestingly, parsing like 97-100 will be just as difficult as before
same as parsing super low like <10
when things get simplified and gearing is capped, what ends up happening is it's not "harder" to parse
but instead, all the parses tend towards the median
so you basically get this big clump in the middle
where like 40-70% is super compact
and the moment you break out of the back you jump to like 90
So stack crit and hope for the best
just hit
I understand that i'm just wondering because its so simplified what would be the difference between a 70% or a 90% i understand more damage, but im just curious because if things are so simplified people must be doing different things to get more damage out
being able to pad
proc rng
kill time
I fully expect all the top parses to basically just be sales runs
Gotcha gotta find a beter guild
much easier to do giga aoe and pad out of your gourd if there's 4 people dead on the floor not taking the damage away from you
Thats also a thing a noticed as example on loom. i had a giga parse once and that just because execute lasted way longer because of people dead.
and i could get 2 sets of DM
Also does a heroic week negatively impact parses or be positive for them?
You basically get more gear right
What about early parses?
I mean yeh, first couple weeks, the earlier you do heroic/mythic, the better off you'll be
you save crests, have more access to myth track
you're just outgearing the majority of the population
Would you say having a guild at around 500 WR compared to 2k WR would increase the chance of getting better parses?
yes
@thorn thorn 

You go spatter
if there is ever any cleave whatsoever you go spatter
regardless of hero tree
if you'll tickle an adds balls
go spatter
ngl late gally on farm i just told the other melee
"if you dont get off my circle spot im just gonna cloak and asssinate you"
double checking w/ fatebound does it matter if vanish is before / after shiv and kingsbane and stuff? I remember whyspyr saying it doesnt matter just wanna double check
all that matters is you use it before one of your cold blood buffed envenoms
the only exception being if you have prism macroed to vanish
then you want to vanish before deathmark/kb so those coinflips get buffed by prism
oh right yeah ok that sounds good ty
on dimmy when we casting prism in p1? on pull or second deathmark?
Depends on your guild really.
Some people do it 1:30
some people do on pull
i mean we are early on prog, just started last night
P1 or platform?
p1
if you still on p1 i would send on 1:30
i think 1:30 is just good
But if you see most people are sending
on start
but with 1:30 it means your not overcapping your prism
@balmy condor will ravenholdt float?
can you step to dimmy every knockback? like sometimes feels ok, others time not so much
depends on your tanks positioning
if thats not safe step to a dk
or anyone you know will be safe
don't think i have a dk on my side
stepping to anyone will stop your momentum
so just anyone you know isnt right on the edge
I stepped to a Monk. the DH was too spooky they dropped off a few times

true rogues never warn,just do it and let him wonder why
if he comes back at you asking tell him ''its me or you''

Same
Any assa gods out here able to help me log review some dimmy stuff? I can't ever seem to log well on it over multiple kills and want to know if I'm doing something wrong - it's the last fight I need to log decently on to not have a dogwater average 🙃
Bro you good? xD
I'm curious what Whispyr's says given he's a master typer in here
I thought exactly the same when I saw mine
Whispyr had me beat and I had some real degen stats
I thought i was bad. but i'm barely a scratch on you guys
then there some of my friends.......
who
type
like
this
I had 3500 hours in voice or so, he has 4150~ xd
if I didn't run out of money...
is there a reason to not macro vanish to deathmark for fatebound btw
im pretty sure if vanish is up, you always want to press it with deathmark
meow

me when i start gearing my 5th rogue
hooooly sleeping in chat edating
On josh
that would be one of those moments where you should stop for a second and rethink your choices
On Alejandro
i mean u can just farm voice
by making a disc server and just stay there 24/7
I am unironically in a long distance relationship so we do be in call all day
ACTUALLY EDATING 
It's only e-dating until u meet
hey, it was supposed to be a secret

hey, it was supposed to be a secret

Why yes in fact
(I only have 4k
)
But I’ll beat you pookie bear dw
Distance can’t hold us

i love when my partner says distance is no obstacle to beating me
Domestic abuse can be done from great distances through your neo home assistance robot
you need to LOCK in
how is an online writer(unemployed title fr) less on the internet than a random guy
4k is still 11.5 hours per day average tf you mean big dog
i said
you need to LOCK IN
if you aint in the 8 thousands youre a wacko
(i have less than 1,5k)
The best thing to do with housing is to make a prison cell at the spot where people spawn after exiting your house
Make them hearth 
Yeah but still funny 
The rogue would never, surely
Visually whats the greatest tierset ever made for rogues
I'm letting someone make an animated wallpaper of my rogue and i can pick whatever armor set
But i can't decide 😄
The thing is because he works with dressing room i can pick basically anything. i can even pick the old van cleef armour if i wanted to 😄
I was thinking about this one :d
But im really not sure haha 😄
I could even do the new midnight tier set
maybe i will do that
There are stamples for rogue over the years, vancleef being one of them yeah
How long have you been playing // when did you go more hardcore on wow?
Around legion why you ask?
Usually the expansion we start at is where we remember most of the sets, legion was really good for that
I don't remember shit from wod
Ah like that
But i can basically pick every set i want
Just need to add in the dressing room
This is how my DK ended up
But we gotta swap it for a rogue now
and move this to the second screen
hmhm, anyhow, IF you want to check some stuff before you submit what you want, check #1262437829150113855 , even if its kinda dead atm, lots of good sets there
If not, van cleef is amazing, a shame its so low res
Yeah he can remove the ress basically and make it really good looking, thanks for the recommedation i will take a look
any set with smoke effects will probably look really good
ressed up
you cooked 
ofc human is always the superior choice
hands down
period
Thanks, I really enjoyed doing that one but didn't get much attention on that specific one at the time
Tmog was kinda dead
:3
@balmy condor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nbvQvzjMFni8pQezoJafz2 This worth spending the gold on? No luck yet for myth track chest in vault.
i'd personally do it as it shows its an upgrade. So its up to you if you want to optimize. I cant imagine the mats would be that much gold. If you get mats, not like you have to leave a tip. saves some gold.
I think its a few thousand on my server but fairly close to reset.
icl, crafting this late in the tier feels useless, if youre not trying to minmax for 0.1% or going for r1 parses in raid
im just kidding
What
im just talking nonsense
How's the 5th rogue going?
hes not leveled yet

So on fights like Araz and Soulbinder, wouldn't Deathstalker be the play? When I'm looking through logs it looks like Fatebound is taken over it by a mile, but I was under the impression that deathstalker should clear fatebound in AoE generally
Y’all have any secret tech for mitigating kickback on dimmy? I can cloak one but I’d rather use it on antimatter soak. Is ss to a dk viable?
Or will it still knock me
As a DK main swapping to rogue, I would say DK should be viable considering their DA is up for every knockback
On araz the mark is a real pain. And while ds could be more add dmg that doesnt matter they die instantly anyway. Fatebound has good timings and does alot of boss dmg

ty boss
Should work, can have a dh as a backup
but dks generally stay still before knock
Both fights adds die too fast for any aoe value
You only care about boss damage
I have a ss macro to our DK for dimmy and use it every knock and also the first boulder on the second platform to get through the goo
Cocoa jumpscare
wtf am I not allowed to shitpost in peace
No
Gotta shitpost in the dk discord
And doom about unholy
Everyone else handled that for me today
Unholy bad updoots left
I dont understand
vinnie using mass grip twice in a row is crazy
what's the cd on that
legit grouped up 100k mobs with one keystoke
and these fuckers say grip ain't a raid buff
"blizzard just added the 2 dk requirments on dimensius so people dont complain about it"
Our DK, ignoring the 200000000000000000 other raidfights we had in the last 4 expansions that need grips
Real shit
Name 1 other fight in the last 2 expansions that required single grip, not mass grip
does it frking matter if its a single or mass grip lol
you bring a DK for their unique utility, thats the point
fucking DK players crying more then mages and paladins at this point
unbelivable
after 1 1/2 expansions where they where a God Class 
Tuning is irrelevant to the raid buff discussion and it’s not our fault rogue sucks
so they should remove Mystic touch from Brewmaster, because many guilds tend to fill that with a brewmaster
right
No it’s more like if brewmaster mystic touch was 8% instead of 5%
But mistweaver and Windwalker had 5%
where did i say rogue sucks
DKs are just the biggest crybabies in the game for 4 years now
Dimensius copypasta is great
only when its quake
it matters because i tell them it matters
and so i get a free spot

although i probably not rogue next tier
rip spot
I think I am rogue
i think my ranged arc begins
I'm rouge
hello rogue
🔴

no
Spriest still has zero mobility and feral seems to be dooming idk. Hard to tell over there
you're violette
Violent for sure
feral just need some scratches
They got some kinda cool stuff but they all hate the loss of blood talons and snapshotting
@balmy condor about that wowhead post. Naah, it blew up our home.
you cant fool me
🤏
everything reminds me of her
GIWTWM
boom
Sigil of Chains?
Gorefiends Grasp?
I was rejected from a guild application coz in my 10-15 logs from dimmy I don't swap on the adds ( we have seen like the first and the second adds). Is this logical?
no, that's a guild that doesn't have a fucking clue lmao
dodged a bullet with that one
dumbass raid leaders just cannot comprehend add damage beyond "he didn't hard-swap so he must be bad"
sadly very common
My raid lead let's me sit boss and and just spatter cleave the adds, said adds are the ele shamans job 🤣
yeah they said that they want people playing for the kill and not for the parse and I was wondering how true this statement could be

yeah ngl that's just brainrot then
the correct response to that shit is "and I want a guild that understands spec dynamics in the raid group"
That rl does not know class and spec strengths and weaknesses then
Like whispyr said, you dodged a bullet there
The changes to feral made me main swap 
@balmy condor yo, have you seen my shrine?
I have in fact
multiple people have linked that and similar
not really something I can add to a wowhead article though lets be real 
That's true art
Amen
the discussion did happen though
of where we should draw the line
so
rest assured that it was an option for a second there
No, it’s actually good that it was not an option because i have a borderline degenerate idea which i’m working on
hate that
😄
itts even more weird cus like
almost every single spec does dmg trought cleaving now
like, actual hard swapping is not really a big thing
Yeah I don't even know what the diff would be if I actually casted like 2 envenoms on an add. 25m instead of 20 let's say?
Slightly more than nothing vs slightly more than slightly more than nothing
Realistically you’re gonna be fighting with the tanks on add damage
Regardless of what you do
I should pop DM on first set and say see what I did there?
unironically you could to prove a point
he guys look i did 30m dmg to adds and lost 150m on boss
big !
are our apex talents still bugged on midnight beta?
no
"boss damage doesnt matter when i say hit adds everyone needs to hit adds because one time i saw a pin in a discord saying everyone hits adds put there by someone who got tired of answering questions about who should hit adds"
@balmy condor you're making my guild horny bro
Yeah he makes me horny too
I have that effect on people
Also someone would say but we hold dmg for boss so yes 30m add dmg is fine
wanna see what i cooked?
when whispyr posts a new video
(it is very painful to do all of this as i am not a cartoon character; post less please)
YOOO bois i havent played assa at all this tier so i just had a teeny tiny question
do u just spam envenom ? or do u pool for KB or just maintain 2 stacks and refresh instead of spam?
Dm me
Mb
You just full spam
wait like ACTUALLY lobotomy fullspam all the time? even when im energy starved?
Yes
man now im lowkey glad i didnt play it this tier LMAO
the midnight assa looked interesting so i thought I'd get reaquainted now
thanks for the help tho brother
yeaa i guess thats why just want finisher damage
quick question. guides says to overlap shiv during deathmark, but also to have shiv for last 8 seconds of kingsbane. Is the last 8 seconds only for subsequent KB casts for do I also do it for deathmark KBs
during dm, use shiv when the first shiv drops cus you wanna cover the entire dm duration
when its the solo kb, you use shiv for the last 8 seconds
ok thanks
shadow damage sub and nature sub
your spec choices this season
LMAO
there is no physical damage sub huh
poor outlaw
Sub is like 60% physical
eleem i love u man but this is a certified 🤓 moment
Tomorrow MIGHT be the day we kill Saladbar. I doubt it, but we made good progress into P3 last thursday
gang
how do i improve i know theres alot improvment that needs to be done any tips
?
well
you missed an entire deathmark
you pressed it on pull and then not again until 3m
so that certainly doesnt help
ik but heres thing if death mark at begging and i death mark befor end of phase 1 then i have deathmarke late on platform like super late
and i have death mark super late on burn phase
idk how to adjust that so i just dont send 1 death mark at the end of phase 1
you press deathmark literally the global its available every time its off cd
if your platform dies fast then yeah the titan will die mid deathmark, but a bad cast is better than none
and it'll be up partway into the amp
what about burn
coz i need to heave it going into bloodlust
wich i never make
if i press it on cd
it will be up during the amp
if you're pressing it on cd
you also missed a use of kingsbane during the fight but that would be for the same reasons
gotta press it the moment its up too
to keep up with the fight
yeah idk i can miss out on platform thats okay
but i need to have it for burn
so if pressing it on cd makes it to come up for burn
then ill try to do that
if u get lucky coin on first deathmarks
it makes this fight
so good
Because your not using dm at 1.30 with prism you also lose prism stacks because you overcapp them
Yo - im starting to have trouble in keys at the 16-17 level with the bleed build. Like, my boss damage is so pathetic. Is there anything at all we can do? Should we be swapping to the hybrid build for this level of key? Any advice appreciated
Ask your tank to bring adds to the bosses
Adds to boss or pull with cds
or play sub
you're a budget dk no matter which way you do it tbh
I have a question guys, i know i can bind prism with vanish. But its okay to use it earlier? Maybe with second dm? I ask bcs in some heroic raids bosses die so fast i not abler to use second vanish..
The difference is really small IIRC
If the boss is near death and you have stacks you can just send it without vanish, at that point you're just wasting stacks
You don't need a full prism to send
Guys does anyone know to when you can get CE, some people are telling me it's its even after pre-patch and before season 1 hits.
I thought it went away when pre-patch hits
Usually it’s expansion release I think
I could be wrong, but I feel like people got CE after prepatch in Dragonflight with new talent trees
If you want to parse and fight is sub 3min then go with lily
Yeah i was googling and if end of expansion people can get CE in pre-patch
So i was confused
Ty guys
@thorn thorn
If you press it on global CD without bug, DM and KB Window will be around 14 seconds into DMG amp, BL lasts 40 seconds, DM 16 seconds, so you have everything covered 
It felt weird for me as well
Or maybe even if you mess up with Global cd a bit. There is enough room for error
if you think a boss is about to die before your next vanish dm combo it's fair to use it earlier
probably better to ask in the dedicated channel for it https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422984915607359650
can you force the cd reduction bug in any way?
"no"
if I get the cd bug do I just hold my 2nd kb for dm instead of the usual dm/kb>kb>dm/kb?
You play for cb I believe so you send the Kb when cb comes up
so on a fight like frac I see on lorrgs that most of the top 50 are doing that, but there's a bit more variation in the top 10 where only half of people are doing so. 4 people send the kb early w/o the cb and 1 person holds both until dm#2 at 1:07. excluding external buffs the new top 10 still have 4 people sending early but no one else holding for dm#2
I'm guessing rule of thumb is to play it normally so cb lines up unless you can get an extra cast of cd's in for a fight or to line up cd's for a new phase or amp that's coming up
there's nothing about fract other than kill time that would make sending vs cb align vs hold for kb/dm better
I would guess that for fract the best thing is to send an early DM in hopes that you use 4 of them
Goat
Hi
Hello
What if he wants it as a little treat?
Send dm and hope you bug 

Damn so close :(
Real
What percentages are you guy running at for crit and mast during mythic raids and / or mythic dungeons?
#midnight-assassination and no
whatever 729 gear gives you
Lol can be pretty different, but ok.
we got sims for that
raidbots spits out whatever gear you have
that's what you run
Nice winter BRO
Wasn't the question, but yeah, ok.
I mean it kinda was
We don’t have anything we follow
We do what sims tells us
I can tell you I’m at 70% crit but that doesn’t do anything for your stats
too late already copied your stats and now i'm rank 1
Damnit he figured it out
Right.
Okay! Aim for 40% haste, 98% mastery, 32% vers, 4% crit
Good luck or whatever
NOOOO don't reveal the secret
Genius.
do you actually, like genuinely believe there are specific stats you need?
I like genuinely believe I have asked rogues that play assa in mythic raids / dungeons and they genuinely tell me the number I should shoot for, so yeah.
Youre getting snarky responses because comparing your stat values or approximating them into any form of weights is antequated when you can just plug your character into raidbots and get insanely more accurate calculations
ya unfortunately it's not an entirely uncommon misunderstanding of how stats work
The dudes a top ranked rogue, but yeah, ok.
you think being top ranked means you can't be wrong?
Then why did you ask us?
So like even if you were to get a serious response with exactly how much crit they have, theres literally nothing useful to do with that information
Just getting opinions.
I think at this point I'd belive him over your response, so yeah, nvm lol.
fascinating
even when presented with new ideas from multiple people, you refuse to even consider something besides your own opinion
The opinion of some rank 1 rogue
You mean
apparently
Supposedly
No what's fascinating is that you can't even get a simple answer to a simple question here lol
Homie doesn’t realize we rely on jank to even parse
I guess lol.
so now you're pretending you didn't get one
We said sims, is that not simple enough
here is one of many answers you got #assassination message
You want a full stat break down and for what when sims does it for you
Do you want a different stat breakdown from 14 different rogues?
For a spreadsheet?
This is comical.
The question was super straight forward and super simple.
Alright you’re just ragebaiting
what's funny about running a sim?
+1 to the ignore list
Good luck with this nuclear science question thing you got going on
Laterz
As is the answer. It literally doesnt matter, sim your character 
Eleem, you have to be rank 1 for him to take your opinion xd
I was rank 4 Fractillus at one point, does that count?
Can you give me the full stat breakdown?
i'm pretty sure Whispyr has been rank 1 at least once and he was the first person to tell this person to sim
There you go. 727 ilvl pls
YOINK, my rank 4 now
Gotta downgrade for that
Fuk
I was rank 1 lfr dausegne as outlaw can I weigh in here
Yes king
utlaw

(Me who never played anything else than assa rogue)
Cba to learn something else currently
You realistically have barely any flexibility in your gear slots this tier.
4 tier pieces, soulhunter boots, loom/nk dagger in your mh, logic alpha due to access for one ring, reshi cloak, plexus belt high chance
most people's gear variance is going to be 1 neck+1 ring
Doesn’t matter how long the season takes or whatever season is it there is always people coming in here and causing issues over stats
It’s really beautiful
Are we talking raid or m+
Thanks Whispyr. I'll figure it out. Appreciate the response.
Housing
pvp only
whats worse is this guy probably is playing some meme race
and stressing it
buying a racechange likely would be more

I remember when you did the video
I actually know this one I got 1800 yesterday
yearly tradition at this point
make video saying your secondaries ain't shit for fuck
nah wdym whispyr
the fact 5k of my stats are in haste instead of crit
is why i green parse
people with no understanding go NUH UH IF SECONDARY EXIST THEN IT MATTERS OBVIOUSLY YOU CANT SAY THAT
and then we repeat
Look at the blue balls on my shoulders
Reminds me of @spice spire
?
i think the diff in my sub and sin gear is literally
i swap my neck and 1 ring
and ig 2nd trinket because im not mentally ill to play double on use sin
BLUE BALLS ON MY SHOULDERS
Sometimes i wonder why people dont trust sims
yet will trust chatgpt to be their therapist
really makes you think
Nice
Honestly anyone else felt this tier gearing was super easy
Being gear capped for over 1.5 months now feels odd
Pressing control-c in game, control-v in raidbots and clicking every piece in my bags is too hard
i once spent 15minutes setting up a topgear sim
i gained a whopping 2k dps from it
Boiling an ocean for 2k dps is pretty based
Raidbots is not AI it’s fine
the real dps gain is murdering your other cleave melee dps on add spawns
to spatter harder
guys im sorry my friend mort was like that
i was the top rank friend he was talking about
it's so hot when you take accountability omr
i gave him a stern talking to and made him stand in the corner of my punishment room
Lmao.
is there some new bug causing our CDs to not get reduced by tier set or something?
im on dimmy prog and twice now my deathmark CD has just been 2 minutes?
no weve had that one aswell but its alot more rare
Last time i had this i didnt had my tierset on anymore. please check sir
old bug, just way more rare
it wigs me out so much that this guy has slipped into more mainstream gamer lingo so commonly
inside of the FGC we certainly have... a impression of him. Extremely little of which is good at all to put it lightly lol
i've never even watched him, only seen the memes
if you DO watch him, you will probably (unknowingly) come across a fair number of clips of me deliberately mirror matching and dunking on the guy just to have him blow up and make excuses
one of my favourite hobbies
I hope to one day trigger him deliberately into blocking me on every fighting game he plays
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Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:
- Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up: - Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up: - Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization
The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements
I actually believe in dracthyr supremacy
Getting glide on every character is bis + you get to be lil ugly scally if you want to
We could instead make it so !macro pops up a RIP 2000(whatever year WAs started) - 2026 gif with the WA logo
We purge so that we can have a new bugged game command 
for the outside of DM shiv with kingsbane, do we still want to shiv at the last 8s of KB? or shiv-KB+CB
only on the lone KB you shiv for the last 8 sec
when you cast DM you shiv to cover the whole DM
ye
ive just been seeing some different usage on logs
some do shiv-KB and others do KB----8s shiv
havent touched this spec since 11.1 so im trying to catch up xd
you want to buff the stacked KB
ya that makes sense to me
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Hey guys, just wondering i'm applying in a guild that downed DImensius. Now until now i only managed to try Dimensius P1 and mainly use assassination. Is there any reason why Sub would be preferable to assa for P2 ?
If they are lacking add damage
That’s where sub is used
Right, but for miniboss damages, assa is king right ?








