assassination

[knotty vapor]

too bad you cant earn it by playing the game

[oak tangle]

this the crossfit monk

[waxen oyster]

Honestly cosmetic mogs have been increasing so much last 2 expacs

[thorn thorn]

foundation hall in dornogal

[coral ibex]

if ur not rockin warbear woolies ur not a real gooner ngl

[waxen oyster]

thats a pvper mog if i ever seen one

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-warp-warped-cat-black-cat-gif-20546068

[runic hinge]

I will push PvP if they make this available again

[thorn thorn]

I would push pvp if the rewards were more interesting for the effort

[waxen oyster]

i got it not even tracking dr

i pressed kidney toxic blade and mfd

every 30

on somebody

[vast patio]

I kinda want the daggers but ehhh

[kind flint]

if ur rocking Netherprism macro'ed on vanish is it worth it to run double on use trinkets?

Like Prism/Lily

[spice sentinel]

it probably sims close enough that you can play what your preference is

would probably be a dps loss in most situations but a gain in others

[balmy condor]

double on use sucks ass

[runic hinge]

Yeah but we’re double ass

[bright tartan]

Yeah but what are the downsides

[tawdry falcon]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[drifting cloud]

you have half a trinket in your other slot

even if you used forge or whatever its just worse compared to stat sticks

[pine copper]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[waxen oyster]

Do people just forget on use trinkets have a sizeable amount of the stat budget allocated to the active effect?

[balmy condor]

the downside is you're equipping a trinket where 80% of the value comes from buffing a damage window and if they don't do that, they suck

[waxen oyster]

People casually just forgetting the average mythic trinket has 8k agi passively.

At all times

[rotund oak]

actually cool

a classic

very nice vibes

used this for quite a while

[knotty vapor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/kiljaeden/ipsa

?

[balmy condor]

why are you linking me sub

[knotty vapor]

I wasn't aware this changed based on spec

lol

[balmy condor]

do you expect me to give a shit

I mean yes

sub does nothing outside of cds

we do

[buoyant herald]

the very author of these bis lists expecting context from your average discord punter

im teasing please don't call me monkey

[marsh fjord]

What is this talk about double on use for the last 3/4 days

[oak tangle]

why would it not

[marsh fjord]

Who started this

[oak tangle]

dumb ass dh uses double passive

[rotund oak]

stealthi gaslighting us

[waxen oyster]

yeah one of the more gas sets

besides ig t3 and elite ruthless

[rotund oak]

used the cata elite set as well minus the head coz it was ugly after the CV-nimble tmog which was an OG

[marsh fjord]

I think I rather play Aug then play double on use honestly

[balmy condor]

oo oo a a

[oak tangle]

granted whispyr the guy you called a monkey ended up threatening devs, which is a very monkey thing to do

vindication

[waxen oyster]

CB?

v

[knotty vapor]

because I don't play sub and didn't realize it was useless outside the burst window

I know this now, and now it makes sense

[oak tangle]

idk it's not surprising that specs are different

kinda the whole premise

[knotty vapor]

that one particular aspect of the spec doesn't need to be different for it to feel different to play lol

I simply had not considered it

the end

[rotund oak]

cursed vision of sargeras

illidaddy's headmog

[waxen oyster]

oh

[oak tangle]

it doesn't need to be, but i think you'd deffs be better off assuming it does until you know it doesn't

[knotty vapor]

ok lol

the chicken lmao

[rotund oak]

bro choked on a druid,ate fairies,had a one night stand with a demon and married a fish

[oak tangle]

and competes in ameteur wrestling

[opaque sky]

On big pulls how much do you multi-dot before bursting?

Or just stop the moment everything sstacked

[oak tangle]

how big is big? much more than 5?

[opaque sky]

Much more

[oak tangle]

then just yeet out like 5 rupture

but like, we also dont really burst

at least not in bleed build

also depends on mob hp, if they are all high hp you'd probs put out more

if they all pissants, then probs not

[neat rain]

Why Antenna simming worse >:C

[oak tangle]

than waht

[balmy condor]

697

[neat rain]

Oh true but what about dim trink does that really just flat out fall off once antenna gets maxed out?

[oak tangle]

link your sim, you are leaving out vital context

[balmy condor]

dim trinket is only really good on long ass raid fights

[neat rain]

v.v Amateur simmer lies about sim and feels bad give me the cone of shame thought it was 4.7 mil from my keys

[balmy condor]

link the actual sim

screenshots don't do shit

[neat rain]

Droptimizer or quick sim?

[oak tangle]

wherever you getting your screenshots from

[balmy condor]

brother

the url

[oak tangle]

just copy the url

[balmy condor]

copy the url

you have the page open

please

[neat rain]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/adtNSi6BAmCdC8gHodgCU9

[balmy condor]

okay well yeah duh a 697 antenna loses

that's a 710 pacemaker

13 ilvl is a lot

[oak tangle]

im not sure i understand this? are you saying your overall in keys is 4.7?

[neat rain]

Just poppin off and getting up to 4.7 when I blast with netherprism in ST

[oak tangle]

cause you're simming a 5 min single target fight

keys aint that

dungeon slice is a better sim for keys

[neat rain]

right, right simming now

[waxen oyster]

thats also only burst

[oak tangle]

did we have a guide on simming?

[balmy condor]

yeah I mean

[oak tangle]

!sim

[balmy condor]

!simguide

[prisma monolith]

Guide to Simming yourself: https://www.wowhead.com/how-to-use-raidbots-sims-stat-weights

For more accurate results you should always sim yourself using Top Gear for gear you already have in your bags
or Droptimizer to see which content drops the biggest upgrade for you. Do not use Stat Weights sims to evaluate gear.

[oak tangle]

that is a wild url

lol

[neat rain]

I'll fuckin just uh throw myself into timeout corner for being the 1,001st person to ask the most repeative questions mb

[oak tangle]

at least you're trying to learn

🙂

some peeps just post a random pic, we ask for clarification then they get mad we dont answer

[waxen oyster]

I LOVE THE PHONE VAULT SCREENSHOT SAYING "which"

[neat rain]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kdWDXF26ta3xmunFEbpm9S

Sick so the group I normally run with gots me capping out at 6.3

[oak tangle]

yes and no, eahc dungeon is different, it is more used in combination with top gear, to get an estimate of what gear is best

i find little value in quick sims

[waxen oyster]

i only sim patchwerk

in raid

and go off vibes

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice is also not indicative of what your damage should be in a dungeon

[waxen oyster]

hunter i played with once

[oak tangle]

raid is all that matters, m+ is just a way to get raid damage

[waxen oyster]

real

people overthink this class

so hard

[neat rain]

Bleed, Shiv, Envenom spam

[oak tangle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kVjSGS34eH9tBaK2FuPYd

this is a top gear sim of me comparing my trinkets

[waxen oyster]

idk what my dslice is...

my raid sim is like 5.4

[little tulip]

call the raid police

[neat rain]

Y u put gem slot on belt not better on wrist?

you no need replace wrist

[oak tangle]

belt dropped like that, and there is no difference

[coral ibex]

?

[neat rain]

Oh jealous thought you used coins to put a slot on that bad boy

[waxen oyster]

still using delve belt

[oak tangle]

nah, i'd be using delve belt if it werent socketted

haven't had to take sockets from vault yet 🤞

[waxen oyster]

same

[oak tangle]

but as soon as the belt is even a 0% upgrade i took it for stam bonus

[waxen oyster]

714 belt still doesnt for me

[oak tangle]

yeah socket diff

[waxen oyster]

it has avoidy

still 717 at least

[oak tangle]

this my raid sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7BKdQ1gDMS84N3btzbDfHh

for 4 mins, cause 5 min sim is ass

(it's not) but like not representative of my kills

[waxen oyster]

i havent simmed 4

[oak tangle]

i'd tailor more to mythic if i were properly doing it

but all my sin fights are 3:30 - 4 min

[rotund oak]

[opaque sky]

Is crimson tempest > then sanguine blades supposed to be the majority of my damage overall in a dungeon

Or am I not using caustic sppater

[oak tangle]

12 HoA for me

[opaque sky]

Damn caustic spatter isnt even close for me

Hmm

[waxen oyster]

I mean caustic should always be top 2

[oak tangle]

i see people sometimes have alot higher garrote than me

but i seem to always have higher rupture than garrote

[hazy horizon]

u swap target too much, take the highest health and never swap

[opaque sky]

So pretend im outlaw lol

[balmy condor]

yes

[opaque sky]

Should I ever multi

Or just as I run in

then stop once everythign is stacke

[coral ibex]

what?

do you ever multi?

what does that mean

[opaque sky]

Garrote/rupt spam idk

[coral ibex]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[coral ibex]

read the wowhead guide

[earnest remnant]

garrote as builder during subt/carnage and rupture for scent

[coral ibex]

you're missing some info about the aoe priority

and how to maintain bleeds

[half dawn]

hey guys

are you guys playing bleed build in high keys?

[marsh fjord]

we did a old fashion dry shiv envenom crit again

[opaque sky]

Better that time I guess

Some packs I did like 0 damage though so not sure what that was about

[balmy condor]

yes, it is basically the only viable build we have

[oak tangle]

gameplay is basically this, maintain 5 ruptures, and CT, and cleave envenoms off main target with caustic

use shivs whenever you feel like

kinda but not really

shivs during execute is good

[opaque sky]

Alright, I'll probably need a rupture number WA so I can turn brain off then

[peak pagoda]

just use whispyrs plater lol, super easy to track rupture and garrotes there

[opaque sky]

I just made my own

[half dawn]

how do you play around low ST?

[balmy condor]

you press deathmark

[deep breach]

Low ST is the unfortunate downside of playing assassination

That and the bugs but we don't talk about those

[half dawn]

I did a quick comparison run, two Dawn +10 keys, one as sub one as assa since im doing weeklies

Obv it will differ but the boss damage is omega different idk

I know buffs etc etc

[balmy condor]

yes, assa does low ST

[deep breach]

Yeah sub is doing really well currently

[balmy condor]

so if you're comparing bosses

fucking obviously

sub is giga ST

assa is giga not ST

[half dawn]

Yeah im just curious if the gap should be this big

or if im also giga misplaying assa

[balmy condor]

yes

[half dawn]

aha ok

thanks

[deep breach]

You just gotta try to appreciate your aoe dmg is all haha

Your overalls probably didn't look much different

[half dawn]

i realised i posted first boss twice, 2nd boss was 6.4m or something

[deep breach]

If you can encourage your tank to pull some trash on to a boss. It helps

[half dawn]

Sub was maybe 600m higher on OVR

than assa

but I also don't have ideal assa gear, mainly optimised for sub

[buoyant herald]

All gear is ideal for assa

[deep breach]

If you aren't pugging, get your tank to pull a couple mobs on to the boss and you'll feel much better. Pure ST is just not good unfortunately.

Obviously it's not always possible to pull on to the boss but when it is. It's great.

[half dawn]

yeah i try to do this for my assas when im on my tank but when im on my rogue im in demonic pugs so no chance :p

[deep breach]

That's why i love M.O.M.M.A in FG 😂

[half dawn]

ngl i thought the top assa keys would be playing KB/hybrid build

i was surprised to see all bleeds

ig you get arcane or bm to carry st idk

[balmy condor]

bleeds got buffed and the tier set is better for bleed

[half dawn]

aha

im trying to remember how to play assa for fractilius

probably soul hunters too ig

idk if you guys would recommend playing assa on those 2 bosses

[balmy condor]

definitely on fract

soul hunters is a bit awkward cause you play bleed and you need the bosses stacked up

[marsh fjord]

The other day i was looking over soul hunters logs

and i saw this guild that 3 tanked it

and all bosses were spread

[half dawn]

every dps was a lock / boomkin? kek

[marsh fjord]

nah for the rest it was just normal kinda comp

[half dawn]

my guild isnt there yet so idk

how thats gonna go

[marsh fjord]

Chaos

[half dawn]

im scared of fract

we have like 40% melee comp

[hexed frost]

We ain't getting any big fixes before 12.1.5 right?

[oak tangle]

I would instantly leave that guild lol, that’s crazy work

How does a guild get to mythic soul hunters and have people capable of making that choice

[marsh fjord]

no idea LOL

[earnest remnant]

cuz first 6 are kind of a joke

[oak tangle]

Feeling bad more and more about my 8min plexus kill timer 🙁

[marsh fjord]

For a first boss

plexus is kinda hard

i expected plexus to get some nerfs in the start

but it didnt

[pulsar coral]

is there anything i can swap for improved wound poison for HoA?

[balmy condor]

literally anything that's not in the bottom area

[pulsar coral]

what's the least impactful

stealth speed?

[marsh fjord]

Jurble do you play with a hunter?

[oak tangle]

the pain of me having to pump shields

[balmy condor]

it's all utility shit

doesn't matter

[pulsar coral]

no

[marsh fjord]

what classes do you play with ?

[pulsar coral]

arcane and fdk

[oak tangle]

lust it

and kill it

[analog field]

just swap 10sec before cast and you are ok

[marsh fjord]

what is that other assa doing lol

@balmy condor on plexus if the shield is up in execute do we then get the benefits of execute or does the shield prevent that?

[balmy condor]

yes you do

[oak tangle]

i'm not certain, havent delved into logs, but my last 2 bursts were a bit more than them

ah just looked, they have wrong order of casts and dont vanish with their netherprism

[marsh fjord]

mine

but

[oak tangle]

you wouldn't have held cd's for shields tho

[marsh fjord]

i was 708 also

[marsh fjord]

nah you just hit on CD

[oak tangle]

i'm gonnna send on cd this week, hopefully with healers more familiar or others changing what they do, we wont need the damage as much

i also now have the soul hunter boots

so big ups

[wise fiber]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xTMJm7v4X9qKznYQ?boss=-3&difficulty=0
Can someone help me on what im doing wrong please my DPS is always decked at 3-4 m

[oak tangle]

what is this a log from?

ah eco dome, weird it doesnt state that

kinda bugged log, hard to look at and determine what's going on

you're definitely not using spatter correctly

[marsh fjord]

Yeah for some reason i cant acces the cast timeline window

to see what your pressing

[grim jay]

Your damage distribution doesnt look good, your gear isnt good at all

You are using your higher ilvl weapon in OH instead of MH

If the site isnt fucking it up, which might be because the log looks screwed

[oak tangle]

i would say to use shiv more, some of the pulls you go alomost 2 mins without pressing it

[wise fiber]

makes sense

[wise fiber]

wait what ...

[golden loom]

What I can see from raider io he has double crafted daggers for some reason

[wise fiber]

so im not supposed to have two crafted daggers ?

[golden loom]

Offhand is the worst slot in the game so its the absolute lowest prio place to put gilded crests

So any other craft would've been better

[wise fiber]

[grim jay]

Okay that saves it a little bit

But also isnt great

For some reason on the site it had 1 691 mainhand for me

With a 720 crafted oh

[wise fiber]

so i technically have to obtain a mythic weapon, do more splatter damage, shiv more ...

[wise fiber]

what is the usual damage distribution

splatter , rupture ?

[marsh fjord]

Mythic weapon is one of your lesser concerns honestly

CT + caustic should be top

Everytime you applied your ruptures. you just make sure. CT is on and caustic is on

thats the most important start

after that you shiv

easy peasy

You can always use 2 shiv's before your DM is coming up again

[wise fiber]

i see

thank you

[normal mist]

Your overall should look kinda like this

If CT and spatter ain't up there, something is clearly wrong

[oak tangle]

i wanna know why your garrote is higher than mine, do you vanish for MA? or jsut for reapply

[marsh fjord]

I feel like royals his garrote are quite high

And his rupture a bit low

But depends on the key

[coral ibex]

lower key = higher garrote dam bc more mobs die during improved garrote

[marsh fjord]

But I never garrote after the initial IC window

[oak tangle]

ig yeah would / could be kill time, i guess other's dps being higher pushes ours too

[normal mist]

It's a 10;
I apply garrotes during the whole IC;
I only apply 5 ruptures (sometimes I get spicy and apply 7);
It's a priory, big pulls;
I vanish to reapply dots;

It was a +3 priory10, we demolished that key

[oak tangle]

+3 would do it lol

[normal mist]

Let me get you the overalls

[oak tangle]

yeah i've never seen my overal above 8

[normal mist]

Depends on the key imo

[oak tangle]

priory 12

[heavy glen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/a3tyTAg27GvZbzQp?fight=6&type=damage-done&source=21

Can you help me with the Fatebaund talents? I don't understand them and I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

[oak tangle]

your opener is wrong right off the bat

you send shiv randomly

you hold kinsbane for maybe 30s

you dm without kingsbane

[heavy glen]

the shiv is not used before death mark when opening?

[oak tangle]

that's fine

you send it at 40s

for no reason

[heavy glen]

I saved it and only used it on the death mark and kingsbane damage windows?

[oak tangle]

no you didnt

[heavy glen]

Yes, I know, haha, I ask you if I should save it.

[analog field]

also don't play FB on soulbinder

one of the 2 bosses where you play ds

[oak tangle]

i tihnk you should read the guide

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[heavy glen]

Okay, thanks for your time.

[oak tangle]

like i could tell you waht to do, but it's in the guide, it's important you line up your cd's and that's all in the guides

[heavy glen]

okok thanks man

[marsh fjord]

it also depends how your tank is pulling imo

[oak tangle]

if you have questions about it come and ask, i don't wanna put you off that, but it just seems to me you'd be better off reading it is all 🙂

[heavy glen]

No, don't worry, I'll try to save the Shiv for the damage windows and hopefully it will improve my damage.

ty for all

[oak tangle]

2 during deathmark, 1 at the end of kingsbane

[marsh fjord]

Miller have you ever heard of lorgs?

[zenith elm]

Lorrgs is life

[marsh fjord]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/plexus-sentinel

Here

[zenith elm]

Thats how i know where i can dps, if not i'm fcking clueless

[marsh fjord]

you can see how people are doing there cooldowns.

[oak tangle]

i pulled it up on my arcane mage, told me to wait 10-15s on soulbinder pull, big add damage

[zenith elm]

Ye, wayy better if you have a group who doesnt do lots of adds dmh

Dmg*

[heavy glen]

ok I'll look at it

[oak tangle]

is anyone elses wcl bugged, i've done a normal raid, but it hasn't put the logs onto my character

[zenith elm]

For plexus, send on CD

And for first dry KB, shiv before pressing KB

[oak tangle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n72Y3dmXqVfTrA4z?fight=last&type=damage-done
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/78909291?difficulty=3

like i have a parse, just doesn't add it to mages page

[marsh fjord]

Why are you pressing shiv before KB or do you mean specfially on plexus because of phase?

[analog field]

yeah that's what he is saying

[marsh fjord]

Oh i just shadowstep shiv when he pushes me back

[oak tangle]

real gamer

[analog field]

i do that too but i think shiv first is good

[marsh fjord]

yeah it doesnt matter really at that point

[analog field]

i do it cause i forget to kb shiv instantly

[marsh fjord]

because you cant stay on him

[oak tangle]

i'd just shiv as late as you can on it

[analog field]

0.05 dps gain

[marsh fjord]

Yeah i have TR running to remind me when phase 2 coming in

[analog field]

let's go

[marsh fjord]

Gain is gain

https://tenor.com/view/billy-madison-comedy-chris-farley-adam-sandly-hey-hey-gif-3417704

[oak tangle]

i mean it's not hard to do

press shiv instead of an envenom

probs mut i g but same diff

[marsh fjord]

And my guild is letting me to run to boss straight away instead of doing adds

[analog field]

yeah mostly joking cause this is almost irrelevant for the parse and for dps

[marsh fjord]

Yaah it is

[oak tangle]

same

[analog field]

i pretend to hit adds

cast a rup and run to boss

[marsh fjord]

And i dont use my cloak button

i use my cloak to run to the wall

(Shadow)

because it can quite surprise you if your on the boss

[analog field]

cloak is good for the shield part where fuckery happens

[marsh fjord]

Yeah its at that part. but if you are really early on the boss

the wall comes out suddenly

and you gotta walk back to use your action button

and i want uptime

so i just use cloak of shadows

otherwise yo u end up at the otherside of the wall and you die

[oak tangle]

it's also nice to have cloak running while the healers and ranged get their ass to you

[marsh fjord]

i remember in the start, the ramp of the damage went up to around 1100%

and it starting quite to hurt lol

[urban shale]

hey guys how good is the single target of assa in M+ environment ?

[marsh fjord]

Shit if only boss getting pulled

with adds its good

[ancient ingot]

guys can i ask is it make difference put trinket on spot up or down? like main hand weapon

[marsh fjord]

No makes no difference

Beside for your macro's

Most people use /13 or /14

[ancient ingot]

ty

[marsh fjord]

and if you put a trinket in spot 13 and have use /14 it wont work

[ancient ingot]

oh ty that was also one of my question about 13 and 14

[marsh fjord]

I can read your mind

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-mysterion-the-sentimentalists-canadas-got-talent-telepathy-gif-25584613

[ancient ingot]

and quick question one more) do we use Kidney Shot in fatebound build for dps?

[marsh fjord]

No.

You only use Kidney to stun something

[severe meadow]

Cold blood into kidney

Let him cook

[ancient ingot]

i mean i just ask because this second talent

[raven phoenix]

Internal bleeding triggers of rupture too

[ancient ingot]

what he does in st?

[severe meadow]

For rupture

[analog field]

also kidney doesnt work on bosses so it doesn't even apply internal bleeding i think

[marsh fjord]

Why are using kidney when we can rupture bros

[ancient ingot]

all now can laupghing but i have answer why i ask that

idiots cant translate and on my language It doesn't say anything about rupture

they have bad translate

ig its old translate or something like that because now in wow idk this spell which written on russian

[ancient ingot]

i dont use it just ask because translate give me confuse

[keen spruce]

[strange onyx]

So with the new bug found I guess we don’t want edge case flips as the one coin is useless? 🤔

[golden loom]

its been a bug the entire season

doesnt change anything

(also says that in the pin 😄 )

[analog field]

Buyt also it says that the 2% works

[strange onyx]

I am not sure I agree with that accessment

[analog field]

so still heads is fine

[strange onyx]

Surely you wouldn’t want to keep stacking the coin that does nothing

[analog field]

the pin says the 2%stack works

are you baiting ?

[rotund oak]

trust the pin

[golden loom]

yeah the stacking part is the only part that works

but also yeah idk

trust the pin

[analog field]

no

[strange onyx]

Who wrote the pin? Someone from blizzard?

[analog field]

ok ragebait confirmed

[rotund oak]

[cunning needle]

[rotund oak]

the one that shouldnt be named is watching

lurking in the shadows

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[strange onyx]

Hmm ok, not much help here

[golden loom]

I mean if you dont trust the pin what else can people do

if there wasnt a pin you wouldnt even know it was bugged

and then you still dont trust the info in it?

whatever

[marsh fjord]

Some people are really on edge bro

They are like

What’s your source???

[haughty flicker]

im actually confused by the confusion

the pin straight up says that the stacking part of it works

like yeah the 8% not working sucks, but why would you suddenly just stop playing around edge case for the free damage

[strange onyx]

If all people think like you our wagon would still have square wheel and only sub rogues on salad king

[haughty flicker]

[golden loom]

especially since guess what

EDGE CASE ALSO FLIPS A TAILS COIN

[haughty flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/requirements-gif-4654709

[normal mist]

So we trust whispyrs work overall, we trust his Sims, we trust his data since he always provides proof and Sims.
Why wouldn't we trust him on this too?
Could he be wrong? Maybe, but I trust to believe he did his tests before posting that pin

[golden loom]

Fuck it just cancel aura heads coins

Who cares

Make it up

[sleek spear]

What does vanish do with the assassination hero talents?

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[fallen charm]

You might be onto something, cancelaura the heads buff so the "envenom has more chance to proc the same coin" doesn't roll heads

[visual sun]

any bugs to prevent from flipping heads?

[fallen charm]

Play deathstalker

[visual sun]

vibestalker lmao

[strange onyx]

Finally a free thinker, not a stale stinker

[analog field]

i really hope you are ragebaiting otherwise you really need help

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-laughing-gif-13031147940704744720

[strange onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/waterfall-nature-mother-earth-peaceful-calm-gif-17249047

[marsh fjord]

Do you guys knew that ragebaiting nowadays is meant your flirting

So basically hes flirting with all of us

[strange onyx]

Quell your rage young tadpoles and one day you might escape the pond and roam the forest with us frogs

[normal mist]

https://imgur.com/1nUZrGo

[rotund oak]

mongolian marmots

love these dudes

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/view/кайф-жуткий-смех-gif-14524534299213067676

thats some nasty stuff

if ya know what i mean

[shrewd compass]

I don't

[rotund oak]

[sleek spear]

Guys can someone explain what an edge coin to me.

Like I'm 10 years old?

!dj

[prisma monolith]

Vanishing On Fatebound

• you vanish for double jeopardy, a Fatebound talent
• this causes your next flip to flip an additional coin, and this coin can be an edge-case coin
• because of this, you want to vanish when you know the next flip is an edge-case flip
• edge case flips happen as a result of pressing deathmark, kingsbane, or the two envenoms afterwards which are affected by cold blood. You can vanish before ANY of these flips.
• you should be vanishing every 3 minutes, lining up with every other deathmark, and this will also align with netherprism every 3 minutes for maximum burst

[oak tangle]

i focussed my ass on stealing threat, no time to interrupt

[marsh fjord]

They are so funny

[rotund oak]

yup,cant stop laughing

tiny and chubby but rdy to brawl

[rotund oak]

When u press deathmark

it activates a coinflip

from the fatebound tree

that coin stands ''on the edge'' counting as both head and tails

its self explanatory if u check the tooltip/description of the ability

[oak tangle]

how does a coin stand

[rotund oak]

rare but happens

[oak tangle]

it doesn't have feet

[rotund oak]

its also a statistical probability

doesnt need feet

lmao

[haughty flicker]

seems pretty hard to stand without feet

[rotund oak]

ask a ret pally

pretty sure they stand from that wheelchair

[analog field]

spreading lies

[oak tangle]

what lies?

[analog field]

that rogues are cool and dont care about stealths

[lean plover]

i mean, we dont

[red schooner]

Freedom

Until wednesday

then no longer free

[rotund oak]

if u feel like this game is a burden just dont play it brother

[red schooner]

I enjoy raiding

[rotund oak]

there are other games that can entertain u

[red schooner]

I just don't like the other things I have to do

[rotund oak]

cool

then dont do them

i ditched raiding this xpac,doing pvp and keys

more fun

less time consuming

[red schooner]

I mean yeah but then I'll be behind on crests and probably gear and end up benched probably.

[rotund oak]

im crest capped all the time

im actually much faster capped than raiders

like 99% of the times each reset

[golden loom]

Hes saying he wants to raid but not do keys

[rotund oak]

ik what he says dw

[golden loom]

Ye but ur not gonna be crest capped without doing keys

[rotund oak]

i also know that

its how it is,u need two-three keys

but maybe not

delves are like

[red schooner]

Yeah but also, vault for gear.

[rotund oak]

gear ofc is another thing

and ye u can be crest capped from raids+delves

[red schooner]

Because the vault and me have a tumultuous relationship and I need to give myself every chance I can get.

[rotund oak]

i mean being a raider means being prepared

assuming uve made the choice and like it u know u have to do it

accepting what might not be pleasant

airgo

SUCK IT UP

lul

[rotund oak]

cap is 90 gilded

31 from delves

15 per mythic boss

[golden loom]

Its 10 per mythic boss

[rotund oak]

[golden loom]

Last 2 of heroic are 15 but pretty sure myth bosses are 10

Well I just did 2/8 on my dh and had 20 so I am certain they are 10

[rotund oak]

How many gilded crests per mythic boss?
15 Gilded Ethereal
All bosses in the Manaforge Omega raid on Mythic difficulty drop 15 Gilded Ethereal Crests.4 Αυγ 2025

google is wrong then

[golden loom]

[red schooner]

Yeah, its google AI

It makes shit up

[rotund oak]

stupidass google

[red schooner]

Welcome to AI being unreliable

Predictive text on steroids

[rotund oak]

yup

they got the delves part though

its 7x3+10=31

[golden loom]

ye had 5 crests when I went into raid

and killed 2

[rotund oak]

havent u ascended runed yet?

to craft gilded?

[golden loom]

On main ye but saving on alts for the most part

[red schooner]

Yeah but I'm hoarding them for when turboweek comes out

So I can slam all of it into gilded when the cap is lifted

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/eN85caNnI91.gif

u are trolling

u can get the cap anytime u want

[sleek spear]

oh right... cant they just word it as "the coins count as both heads and tails" lol

[red schooner]

October 21st, the cap gets removed.

[sleek spear]

ty though

[rotund oak]

you are welcome

[red schooner]

So when the cap is gone, I can convert all of my lower crests into gilded and have like, 400 gilded instantly.

[golden loom]

Freaky

[rotund oak]

october 21st ild get my 3month bloodscan

irrelevant information

[red schooner]

Have you been eating glue?

[rotund oak]

[red schooner]

Or something

[rotund oak]

no ive turned 40,need to watch out for my health my dude

no parents around to dectate what i do

[cunning needle]

!up

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[rotund oak]

forgot how's to be raiding

[cunning needle]

Also last 2 on heroic drop 15 gilded

[rotund oak]

cant say im missing it

ye so,the troll is real

u can cap from raid and delves

[cunning needle]

My favourite part of playing wow is not having to play wow

It gives me an artificial sense of freedom

Like you kinda gotta put yourself in jail

To truly appreciate the outside world

[rotund oak]

i mean thats called marriage

😂

[cunning needle]

Ecks dee

[thorn slate]

when this happens. Do i have to proc darkness in order for the deathstalker procs to work again?

[gilded sigil]

Im curious for the m+ crowd, is there a way to get shadowmeld to "work" more often? have a stop attack macro and look away from packs while shadowmelding but keeps not putting me in stealth (even when spamming the stealth button).

[golden loom]

yes

[thorn slate]

rip

[golden loom]

but in aoe for example

you would prio getting ruptures out and then spattering the darkest night

cause you have the mark out, which is the important part

which is usually the situation this happens in, where you go into a pack with DN up -> ambush a mob

then you can just ambush -> rupture (assuming you have left over combo points + the ambush) -> rupture (with the combo points from bonespike) -> garrote -> garrote (builds 6 combo points) -> mutilate (spatter on marked target and 7 combo points) -> envenom (boom darkest night) -> garrote -> garrote -> CT

[amber brook]

oo, didnt think about clearing darknest night like that

[golden loom]

skipping the ambush at the start of that makes it super bad though, cause then you are spending infinite globals without having a target marked

[minor jetty]

Hello, with Assa the rotation should I do 2 bleedings on it, all on one opponent? Thx

[normal mist]

we need more info

we need to actually understand that question

[minor jetty]

Ok, if I do the multi target, it says 2 times Scent of Blood, can I do that on one mob or do I have to do it on 2 different mobs, thanks

[static glacier]

different mobs

[west crown]

Can’t do it during bosses. Need to be away from mobs to do it

[gilded sigil]

knew about bosses, is there still a chance that mobs can resist shadowmeld so big pull = less chance it works? tried running away (even a good 20yd away) and still nada. My other rogue guildie gets it to work like 90% of the time while it barely works 10% of the times for me

[sleek atlas]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[west crown]

not really. sometimes its weird but 95% of the time I can get it off. You shouldn't expect to be able to meld -> stealth mid pull. I usually utilize it for chain pulls where I will stay behind away from the mobs for a sec or just to dodge a bolt.

[gilded sigil]

fair enough, well thanks for the answers

[normal mist]

When a tank knows how to properly chainpull

Eco10

[ebon steppe]

Fuck blz

[normal mist]

?

[runic hinge]

[hollow smelt]

[haughty flicker]

[normal mist]

[celest ruin]

[quaint nimbus]

[royal lantern]

[ocean quiver]

When playing sin on forgeweaver araz, do we just rip cds on pull and then whenever they are up?

or do we save for ads, I know we lost damage the more as there is or something

[royal lantern]

do you play for raw boss dmg?

[ocean quiver]

Whichever will be better to parse

this is just rekills atm

[royal lantern]

if yes, you use cds on pull, then whenever they are avaible

[royal lantern]

lol

lmao

[ocean quiver]

:(

[royal lantern]

gl having a raidteam that lets you padd

[ocean quiver]

ah well i'll just rip on cd then

we have 2 other subs

and I was the third one but went ass agot bored

[haughty flicker]

theoretically you can hold cds for a bit to line them up with adds

but uh

good luck doing anything to them anyway if there are two sub rogues lmfao

[ocean quiver]

Yeah

2 subs, 2 fury warriors, 2 eleshams, ww monk, enhanced

When I was playing sub ads died so fast I only got 1 secret tech off

[jaunty sky]

my parse for boss dmg on araz is about 25% higher than the overall parse on both my DK and my rogue

heroic obv but still

similar on soulbinder

[rigid fable]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[spring briar]

first time +16 ecodome. i need more practice:D

[glass root]

Guys i have a tank who says assassination restealth does not make up for the damage loss of people , hence im not letting him stealth and continue chainpulling mobs do you agree?

[golden loom]

good chainpulling is good for assa

bad chain pulling is bad for most classes

[glass root]

define ?

i define bad chainpull when i have no meld vanish

[golden loom]

lets say you have a pack of a couple casters and a bunch of melee mobs

[glass root]

i define good chainpull when i have a big target and vanish / meld

[golden loom]

if you kill the casters -> then chain the 40%ish mobs to another thats good

cause you already have bleeds running on the mobs that are like half hp

[glass root]

yes agreed

[golden loom]

but if you drag 1 low hp mob into a new pack thats bad, but you can also play around it as rogue

if you just stay back a bit, let that mob die

you will drop combat and be able to re-stealth

[glass root]

yes i know that

but 10s are different

sometimes you're kept in combat cause of the affix

anyways i just wanted to have a talk with my tank

ty

[golden loom]

yeah I mean it can feel annoying at times

but the biggest time saver in keys is too keep goin

[glass root]

brother it feels like im playing Ovinax with him

like i should play ovinax just spec into CE and no carnage or demise

[strange surge]

im that tank.

This i agree with, ill gladly get better at chainpulling well.
But i play NO different, if i have an assass in the group or not. Maybe letting combat drop in those "single mob dead in 5 seconds" situations.
But i've been told this twice now in this discord.

3rd time with how you're implying it

[golden loom]

yeah I mean the rogue also has ways to play around it

the best tip for rogues I can give is just to not care about restealths

[strange surge]

he was malding last night, so i started intentionally chaining 1 second before last mob died

[glass root]

;/

[golden loom]

saves mental + it also isnt impactful in the big picture

[glass root]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

i disagree

[golden loom]

some affixes (like the current one) do impact it a bit weirdly I agree

so my biggest tip is, do 12s 😎

[west crown]

Must be a rag player

[normal mist]

#assassination message

This tank only allowed me to restealth like ... 3 times?

maybe 4

[severe meadow]

You don’t need to restealth really, you just need to play around it

[normal mist]

And in the end of the run i thanked the guy for the amazing key

that was proper chainpulling

[severe meadow]

proper chain pulling is more or less the important part

Cant always flame the tank

[normal mist]

Never he aggroed a new pack with me thinking "damn i really wanted to stealth"

[analog field]

i would add though that doing 10's you can play around people's habits

[normal mist]

my vanish charges were used so damn well

[analog field]

so losing 10 sec for a restealth if i can play better with it

wins over saving 10 sec

[severe meadow]

10 seconds in a 10 is a little funny

You +3ing that bitch?

[analog field]

yeah because the convo was about affixes fucking restealth

[coral ibex]

gotta love when tanks come in here and say stuff like "i was chaining like an idiot and a rogue complained so i played WORSE XD GOTTEM"

well done

you got him good

[severe meadow]

Nooj..

Go back to RuneScape

Cut some trees

[strange surge]

noone said that

[coral ibex]

here's a fun fact

spending lots of time running to the next pack with 1 guy straggling

is still losing damage

[analog field]

i mean play in a way that all people have fun especially since you dont do mdi or 20's

[coral ibex]

chain properly or drop combat

[analog field]

yes chaining is better in a vacuum

but enjoy game

[analog field]

@strange surge if you scroll like 3-4 hours ago i posted screenshot of a chat i had with a tank on a 14

[golden loom]

kidney shot dance cheapshot blind the healer blades strike sec tech boom bam the guy is dead restealth

[coral ibex]

[pliant remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-i-am-going-insane-insane-gif-25031823

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-gif-338783462287106063

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/olliesblog-ooft-olliesblog-oof-oof-olliesblog-oof-ollie-gif-7856127624386432749

[runic hinge]

Is this that pikaboo clip?

[severe meadow]

Pika do be narrating everything

Kinda crazy

[golden loom]

ye it really makes me wanna try pvp

but alas, I will not

[strange surge]

yea read

[normal mist]

Pika narrates his own game

[strange surge]

not what you said

[severe meadow]

Isn’t arena the most dead content?

[normal mist]

Its niche

[golden loom]

I like watching pvp but I dont feel like playing it myself

[severe meadow]

I’m friends with a glad and all he does is complain about ques

[normal mist]

same

[visual sun]

Are there even new arenas in tww

[normal mist]

is yours a ret too?

[golden loom]

ye there was atleast a undermine arena

[severe meadow]

If I did pvp I think I’d rather do RBGs

I did them way back in cata

Was fun, but I was also like 17

Maybe younger

[runic hinge]

Bgb can be fun but it’s way more team reliant

Rogue wasn’t too bad cause you can really do stuff but I got to 2300 on sp and it felt like I was coin flipping

[severe meadow]

I just don’t know how to pvp is my problem

I’d have to learn and I can’t be fucked

[runic hinge]

Do your pve rotation and sometimes stun

I got to 2100 in solo shuffle

Opening with cheap shot into garrote

[waxen oyster]

I like how sub pvp

has like 4-5 different openers

based on orc or not

etc

[severe meadow]

Maybe in midnight

Once we get CE I’m prob taking a break

And even then I think im class changing anyway

[desert crest]

When are we getting this pinned comment saying we are fixed and got a 10% aura buff?

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-cant-stop-laughing-gif-14341553

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[desert cove]

yeah singular focus is still broken

it ain't getting fixed

🙂

[marsh fjord]

Funny thing when everything would be fixed ironically we need a nerf 🤷‍♂️

[desert cove]

like it's been what

7 weeks since the tier started

and we've gotten exactly 1 round of balance changes

6 weeks, mb

[thorn thorn]

This is false because I say this very frequently

Im also just a bad tank player but it counts

[thorn thorn]

Traitor

[severe meadow]

Sorry pookie

[royal lantern]

what class

[severe meadow]

I actually don't know yet

[royal lantern]

need to know if you are OK or should be muted

[unborn rain]

real

[severe meadow]

I might not even swap, want to see what else they announce

[thorn thorn]

If its blue, pink, or red then you are perma banned

[marsh fjord]

he told me in DM's he going aug

[thorn thorn]

So choose wisely

[severe meadow]

Would never be pink or red

[marsh fjord]

Good boy

[severe meadow]

Blue but I'd be resto

(I healed like once on Shaman in Legion)

[unborn rain]

idk

[marsh fjord]

Jay

[severe meadow]

numbers

[marsh fjord]

Are you gonna swap because of the bugs

[thorn thorn]

[marsh fjord]

Or whats the reason for it

[severe meadow]

Nah I usually swap every expac

[marsh fjord]

Ahhh oke

[severe meadow]

Every class is buggy tbf

Blizzard just hates Rogue players

a little more

[marsh fjord]

I feel like unholy is a nice spec to play. i swapped from unholy to assa

[severe meadow]

why would you do that

[thorn thorn]

Why does this not surprise me

[marsh fjord]

But that has been a while back tho

[severe meadow]

I've never had any interest in playing DK tbh

@thorn thorn Do you hate monk players

[thorn thorn]

Only MW players

[marsh fjord]

Season 1 SL goated

[thorn thorn]

We get it bro you parsed in LFR

[marsh fjord]

Actually true

[thorn thorn]

Do we have any MW players in chat

[unborn rain]

why do u not like mw players

vape weaving is sick

[thorn thorn]

Are you a MW player

[severe meadow]

Tbh I was thinking Warrior

[thorn thorn]

[severe meadow]

Go full monkey mode

[thorn thorn]

Amirdrassil mostly

[severe meadow]

[thorn thorn]

Eleem hitting that crimson vial real good

[unborn rain]

i played mw in dragonflight

it was fun

[humble verge]

so i get this in a boost

[unborn rain]

i was gonna play it this expax but im lazy

[humble verge]

nobody needs it xd

[thorn thorn]

Keep it in bank to flex

[thorn thorn]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/831697407335071804/1181914464841375754/flabbergasted_dragonriding.gif

[humble verge]

fitting chat blocker image

[thorn thorn]

it really ties the clip perfectly

[radiant aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/pipotam-baby-baby-hipo-baby-hippo-hippo-gif-15391489209739685332

[radiant aspen]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1139249040677154827/1169673254437388308/attachment-2-1.gif

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-funny-dogs-dog-animals-gif-10482280670642958334

https://tenor.com/view/cat-warp-warped-cat-black-cat-gif-20546068

[thorn thorn]

Real

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/dinner-dinner-going-crazy-tonight-matts-attack-matts-attack13-gif-22799181

[severe meadow]

should lower your credit

[thorn thorn]

You dont want Hawaiian pizza with chocolate waffles???

[severe meadow]

Am I.. supposed to?

[thorn thorn]

clearly

[severe meadow]

I don't even like Hawaiian pizza

[jovial idol]

Why is there so many assa rogues if it's the bottom damage of the rogues?

[balmy condor]

cause it's a fun spec and also not "the bottom damage of the rogues" by any metric

[jovial idol]

Ah, I saw that somewhere. But you know how data is in this game

Which spec is the bottom in M+?

[thorn thorn]

Probably aug

[balmy condor]

all 3 rogue specs are good in m+

[drifting cloud]

all 3 rogue specs have timed a 20 in m+

[balmy condor]

they have different strengths and weaknesses

assa does bad boss damage when there's no adds to cleave

sub has really high burst but timing cooldowns is really difficult and it doesn't really do any damage in any situation outside of those 10-15ish second windows

[thorn thorn]

Outlaw is outlaw

[balmy condor]

outlaw is really tanky and consistent, but suffers in really big packs

[little current]

yeah our survivability is awesome but uh

we do tank damage on big pulls

super demotivating

[balmy condor]

but yes, if you look by score, there's representation of all 3 specs in the top 10

[thorn thorn]

Dont play outlaw

[little current]

how about i turn you inside out

[balmy condor]

and the same is true if you look at each dungeon run

[little current]

not a lotta sin

prob would be more if we took iron wire

i miss iron wire

[thorn thorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1050452382691106918/1327396756106903582/reaction_gif.gif

[little current]

https://imgur.com/OTndNJr

[balmy condor]

18/100 top rogue halls of atonement are assa

that's not a bad ratio tbh

especially considering all of china is apparently on strike against assa or fucking whatever they're melting down about

[little current]

i feel like there's context im missing with outlaw though

[thorn thorn]

China does its own thing

[little current]

is there a specific comp the top players are running outlaw with

[balmy condor]

does it matter

[little current]

i mean

yeah

pulling style and buffs and class interplay makes a difference at the high end

• im curious

• the agenda

[thorn thorn]

Zac appears to be playing a full melee comp

[little current]

yeah exactly

[balmy condor]

there's some variance

[thorn thorn]

Idk if this is his group specifically

[little current]

i see

[thorn thorn]

But most of the keys I found him running it was with fury and feral

[balmy condor]

but like again, does it matter?

there's going to be meta comps

[little current]

the agenda whispyr

[balmy condor]

what agenda

[little current]

that outlaw is dogass and needs buffs

[balmy condor]

yeah true

idk just link raid logs

[little current]

(like 95% of what i say is a goof)

(im not being serious)

[balmy condor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1115271001664663552/1407338290821992538/image.png?ex=68d927eb&is=68d7d66b&hm=8e976412e23465d2d88099d845777a31220d1bddc1a19ee04e3b7f72ce22dc84&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1032&height=559

[little current]

i almost didnt notice that's on heroic

ome20

https://tenor.com/view/ome20-gif-9226759380346778850

[balmy condor]

it's also from like 4 seasons ago

[little current]

wait what

LMAO

[balmy condor]

it's a meme

that gets recycled

[little current]

i thought you just made that now

[balmy condor]

hell nah

you think assa was in 4?

bm hunter bottom of the totem pole

there's a lot wrong

[little current]

oh yeah

wtf is the deal with bm hunter

why is it so strong rn

[balmy condor]

they got buffed + bug fix and went to the moon because they have a casino hero talent

and just highroll to shit

[little current]

classes?

[balmy condor]

like if you look at 60% all boss, it looks kinda reasonable

[little current]

getting their bugs fixed?

[thorn thorn]

Arms still doing terrible

[balmy condor]

like "above average" bm parses

look fine

you go 99%

and it's like

wait a minute

where did the hunters come from

[little current]

well isnt MM hunter usually really strong

[thorn thorn]

Oh hey look at that Aug is finally above Dev on one of these charts

[balmy condor]

it's literally just RNG

this is rank 1 marksmanship on loomithar

black arrow is their hero talent

it replaces kill command and it's just procs

if you proc, you damage

if you don't proc, you don't black arrow, you don't damage

[little current]

oh great

i know its the name of the game

[thorn thorn]

[little current]

but procs being so much of the damage variance is annoying

[fresh kelp]

a lower quartile BM hunter sim is still above 80% of the specs in the game

[fresh kelp]

they don't have to highroll to be strong