#assassination

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quiet oar
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I half ass wow more than my actual job

jaunty sky
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which is basically the same job

quiet oar
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SO TRUE ROYAL

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(idk what you tried to say)

normal mist
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Officer Deez Nutz

humble verge
quiet oar
normal mist
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Guys i got curved on my monk yesterday

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And let me say

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Roll on dimensius is a dangerous ability

quiet oar
normal mist
humble verge
jaunty sky
normal mist
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I rolled on top of my other tank as he got meleed

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Then I got BR, rolled again after taunting and killed him

jaunty sky
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bro tanks in that fight are just terrorists

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esp P3

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is insane

red schooner
jaunty sky
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worst is whenever the ring DoT shit starts

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and u gotta try and not get booped into anything

static glacier
midnight scroll
sharp viper
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transmog

red schooner
sharp viper
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let me be the judge of that

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also, you can have more than one

red schooner
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Can't find it

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Rip

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But its perfect trust me

humble verge
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i was actually right

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red schooner
sharp viper
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Troll OMEGA

red schooner
sharp viper
red schooner
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All of my characters are trolls

spice spire
spice spire
red schooner
red schooner
spice spire
grim jay
spice spire
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No you don’t trust me bbgirl

humble verge
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im some weeks behind, but now ive got it

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warm vortex
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Post a video of the little creatures to show how you feel

humble verge
humble verge
warm vortex
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Omg I nearly played this with max volume

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Just as I was about to click I thought

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“Might check volume”

humble verge
warm vortex
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Happy as I’m mid uni class

tired bloom
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fatebound ST for kyveza? Maybe change a few talents into defensive?

desert crest
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Yes

lusty kraken
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so guys how do you play netherprism + passive trinket as assa rogue

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send it every 1.5m or hold it until fully charged?

scarlet orbit
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i have it macrod to vanish so i use it every 3 min and if the fight is about to end

wooden timber
static glacier
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so if a fight has dmg amp or aoe on a dm that's not aligned with vanish i'd just send prism to benefit from the contextual factors

lusty kraken
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I assume double active trinkets is not a thing for assa?

weary stump
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We do enjoy antenna here

scarlet orbit
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Maybe after turbo boost 🙂

normal mist
sharp trellis
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is it advice to change embelishment if you have 2 dagger 723 ?

desert crest
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Try to sim at see

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normally off hand scaling is not very impressive tho

balmy condor
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you would never use two 723's

desert crest
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Yeah the weapon embelishment is pretty good eh

sharp trellis
tired bloom
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what is the craft priority? first is dagger, after that? The biggest ilvl upgrade?

balmy condor
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wrist/ring/neck

tired bloom
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thanks

zenith elm
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MY EARDRUMS

sharp trellis
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prism is advice on my sim . can i macro it with deathmark ? or should we wait for 18stack ?

red schooner
sharp trellis
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then should you still use vanish after shiv / deathmark / kingbnae?

red schooner
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Or at least before your death mark

tired bloom
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even before your first deathmark?

balmy condor
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yes

tired bloom
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this isn't in the icy veins guide, will need to adapt

balmy condor
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I mean you only have to vanish before dm if you're macroing prism

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the guide is fine

tired bloom
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I see

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ok then, I have it macro'd to DM

balmy condor
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yeah that won't work

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that's like -0.6%

tired bloom
balmy condor
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you cast vanish every 3min, and you cast prism every 3min

lunar pond
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No one asks why just blindly follows. It’s correct info but just amusing

tired bloom
balmy condor
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this is usually the alternative

normal mist
lunar pond
balmy condor
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I ain't doing that

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no one's interested in the why and if they are they're gonna ask that

lunar pond
tired bloom
balmy condor
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can tell you from experience that most people trying to know the reasoning behind it are usually also the ones trying to argue everything because the answer they got doesn't fit into their world view shrugeg not a big deal

lunar pond
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Fair, they treat it as an opportunity for discourse on feelings rather than it just being the math

hollow smelt
weary stump
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I like having a macro version with trinket of dm and then another button that's just dm; rather than having trinket on cast bar garf_sit

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Just alternate which one I press depending on timers

red schooner
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I mean... If it works it works.

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I can't criticise anyone about action bar layouts after the abuse I got when I posted my bars kekdog

static glacier
little current
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yknow waht

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i dont like that theres classes that love chainpulls

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and classes that dont function with chainpulls

static glacier
little current
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?????

static glacier
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what is a chain pull to you?

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describe it, clearly

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I want exact numbers

little current
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taking one, almost dead pack, into a healthy pack

static glacier
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THAT IS NOT CHAINING

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I REPEAT

red schooner
static glacier
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THAT IS DOGSHIT GAMEPLAY

little current
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thats not?

static glacier
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no bro

red schooner
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No lol

static glacier
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chaining means as soon as the bottleneck mobs (casters, unavoidable dmg mobs) are dead or low

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you take the chaff mobs, that just melee the tank

red schooner
static glacier
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normally like 3-5 of them at like 40%hp

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into the next pack

little current
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well still thats not very goodf

static glacier
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and that scenario is great for us

red schooner
little current
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cause we dont get to restealth unless we have vanish

red schooner
static glacier
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what do you need restealths for if you have mobs with bleeds on already

red schooner
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Its quick to get setup again

little current
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more bleeds

red schooner
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Infinite energy

little current
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plus iron wire helps with grouping mobs

static glacier
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are you considering the effect of making the pull 8 mobs for 2 mins vs 3 mobs for 20s then 5 mobs for 1:50?

red schooner
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Its like saying we don't like long pulls because we have to reapply bleeds

red schooner
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And life is okay

little current
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wtf

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iron wire is fire

static glacier
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bro if you're speccing iron wire in bleed build

red schooner
static glacier
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you can't complain about restealths surely

little current
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wait

red schooner
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Like double shiv

little current
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do we not spec iron wire in bleed

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lemme check archon

red schooner
static glacier
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no

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it costs too much dps

red schooner
static glacier
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hybrid had more points spare

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bleed loses more to take iw

red schooner
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!guide

prisma monolithBOT
red schooner
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Wowhead, use that one

little current
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damn

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what a shame

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iron wire is really nice

red schooner
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Yeah but like, double shiv loss, with this tier set?

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God no

static glacier
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either way, the tl;dr of it is group dps goes up with chaining, it's not worth fighting packs til death for just the sin rogue if when you chain with a good number of mobs alive we will not zero out on energy or scent stacks

buoyant jacinth
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do tanks have to pull around outlaw so u dotn use adrenaline rush or smth

static glacier
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the dps gain for others AND us of having more mobs

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is worth chaining

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but if the pack is dead, and theres like 1-2 mobs sub 5% hp they should be killed

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since that's not chaining, you're just griefing your rogue for like 2s

little current
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we dont like chainpulls

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since we get a lot of cdr from opening from stealth

static glacier
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don't get me wrong, the restealth is nice but i'd rather have perma chains on OL than restealths

little current
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i mean its more a lose lose scenario

humble verge
little current
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either you lose the crackshot cdr

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or you lose your RTB buffs

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outlaw always loses

zenith elm
static glacier
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I'd rather not have 6 buffs ticking down

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out of combat

little current
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thats fair

static glacier
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also, any kind of downtime is MUCH MUCH MUCH better

little current
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i mean for me I just love crackshot

static glacier
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for almost all specs in the game

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than OL

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look at the dmg curve of the spec

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and the amount of dmg lost from 10s of downtime

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compared to sub out of cds

little current
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dude i have 3k on outlaw i know the pain

static glacier
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tbf i think the only spec up there with ol

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for hating downtime

little current
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why do you think im trying sin out now

static glacier
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is probably fire

little current
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dude

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fire mage is so bad

static glacier
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yep

little current
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idk how people play it

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dogass spec

static glacier
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its super fun

humble verge
static glacier
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just undertuned

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high effort low-medium reward

little current
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I really wish I liked it

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cause it has the fun cdr I love in outlaw

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but I hate the gamey jank with it

static glacier
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it's a shame, cdr in a spec actively makes it worse

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if you remove sub cdr and standardise dance cd it instantly becomes a lot stronger

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since they never let these cdr effects actually remain powerful, they have all been nerfed

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dance cdr, restless blades

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all of it

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has been nerfed

little current
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its sad

static glacier
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the spec is tuned to par with full uptime, then they make fights with downtime and dmg amps

little current
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cause who doesnt love cdr

static glacier
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and voila ur cdr specs suck

royal lantern
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cdr is literally why outlaw is in such a bad spot in raids all the time dracthyr_kek

desert crest
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cdr is fun tho

main bridge
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I love CDR and think it’s really fun

desert crest
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But it is true it does kinda force 100% uptime

little current
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cdr is fun 🙂

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maybe if they gave back extended melee range

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it wouldnt be such a problerm

red schooner
little current
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like

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melee on dim feels awful

red schooner
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Janky ass hitbox

royal lantern
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what has the dimmi melee range to do with that

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outlaw sucks cus the figh has multiple full downtime phases

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and outlaw is a 100% cdr based spec

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aka it falls down into the trash where it belongs

little current
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wow asshole

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also outlaw is bugged on dimmy

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we get unstealthed when we port in

jaunty sky
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Thats a you issue

desert crest
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Yeah i don't think we get unstealthed

royal lantern
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after week1 that never happend to me again tbh?

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and why would that be a outlaw only thing anyway

main bridge
coral walrus
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Question: Do we sim dungeonslice or patchwerk 1 boss for m+? I simmed both and they are saying different things 😄

little current
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take a guess

main bridge
coral walrus
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If i wanted to take a guess i would ve gone with the guess and not ask on a rogue discord. Try being smarter somewhere else.

coral walrus
zenith elm
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Dang

main bridge
little current
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dude

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supa hot fire has aged so well

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all these years later and its still funny

royal hazel
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i spit

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...

flat pier
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Maybe its time we throw the dagger out the pram and cry like the Ret paladins did. So that blizz can fix the bugs that keep popping up in our spec

red schooner
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Its never that time

flat pier
hearty seal
native vigil
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For fatebound assassin raid cleave, should I be manually spreading bleeds?

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or focus main target and let caustic do aoe

humble verge
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aug is back? HOLY

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vestal granite
native vigil
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or araz

vestal granite
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It it safe to assume that Soul Hunters usually live quite long

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long enough to apply ruptures I mean

golden loom
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well soul hunters you should not play fatebound

native vigil
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okay ty

severe meadow
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Hunters is m+ build

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So yeah, reapply

native vigil
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okay M+ build for hunters\

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what about arraz?

red schooner
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Fatebound, maybe rupture an add for energy

sharp trellis
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would you advice to use prism 704 ilvl over a forge araz 710 in high m+ key ?

marsh fjord
flat pier
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Get out of here Pirate boy

marsh fjord
lusty kraken
humble verge
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so how do we weigh out the pros and cons of going for belt this week instead of later

acoustic roost
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Boe is probably cheaper now than later when the normies find out delve belt is nerfed 🤣

humble verge
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actually

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didnt even consider this

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i have gold to spend on the belt too

marsh fjord
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Why do you have to spend gold

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You don’t have a mythic belt?

pliant remnant
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Nah he's got 3 Mythic belts, he just wants to spend gold for shits and gigs

humble verge
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i have gold to spend

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dont know what to spend it on

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why not just buy a boe for once

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

vast patio
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A Boe you don't need? >.>

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If you wanna waste gold I'll take it

humble verge
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unfort

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vast patio
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F

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What stats

humble verge
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heavy mastery, low crit

karmic viper
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any one else think its 2025, its time to rename the spec. No one needs ass ass in their spec name. Why not rename it chadchadasin

cold palm
vestal granite
west crown
royal lantern
orchid sage
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hi i got a question, can i use shadowmeld to restealth? Like in combat?

gray raven
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yep

sharp viper
orchid sage
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But its not just press meld and get stealth procs right?

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do i need to press meld into stealth?

sharp viper
orchid sage
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is that actually doable in M+?

sharp viper
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yes but its not reliable

orchid sage
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or arent i still in combat after a pull?

sharp viper
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and it does not work on boss fightss

orchid sage
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okok

humble verge
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if u

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remove your target

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stand a bit from the group

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and then try to meld

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you should hit it

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again, not guaranteed

orchid sage
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ok cool

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thanks

sharp viper
humble verge
jolly stirrup
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Bro how many of these do you have saved up

reef shuttle
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Is the Outlaw chat having a bit of a seizure?

main bridge
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That sounds normal for them

analog hornet
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I have a question about the "mystic touch" debuff... which skills benefit from this debuff? For Rogues, it can only be ambush, fan of knives and meleehits??? 🤔 Ore bleeddmg are physical dmg too? 😅

spice surge
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Bleed is physical

analog hornet
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Envenom and kingsbane not? 🤔 So all poisons not?

golden loom
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poisons are nature damage -> magical damage -> buffed by demon hunter raid buff but not monk @analog hornet

analog hornet
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Thank you 🥳

zenith elm
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you get lots of buff from monk with M+ bleed build

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!fuu

prisma monolithBOT
zenith elm
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look here for reference

frozen iris
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!up

prisma monolithBOT
vast patio
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Not taking kb feels so weird to me.

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But I dig stealth being my major cd lol

reef shuttle
fresh kelp
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The drops will be the same but hero track should go to 717 and myth to 729

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And crafting to 726

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Unless they add another jump of 4 to make myth an even 730, but iirc on ptr it was 729

reef shuttle
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Unless Ive missed it somewhere I have not heard anything about infinite farm for crests opening up on wowhead like before. Was this availbe on PTR? Or is to be delayed release?

vast patio
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Pretty sure they posted uncapped crests somewhere

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Seems like a given

fresh kelp
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don’t think they said anything yet. I assume they are going to delay it a bit

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but maybe not

nocturne quail
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Also did not say they would remain capped

vast patio
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Crests being deleted

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Confirmed

nocturne quail
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Tbh tho it would make sense that without crests uncapped it’s not rlly turbo boost

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Just boost

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That you slowly get at the same rate as before

marsh fjord
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Valorstones are so useless this season tho

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They can really get rid of them

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Esp when you could bring them over from last season

vestal granite
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-Join +11 for weekly
-Hell yeah these guys got 715 ilvl and 3k rationg
-BM hunter literally does tank damage and I mean literally literally
kill me

royal lantern
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and that it was just "yeha, it would probs break something if we do it rn, so we let you use the ones from the old seasons" as a thing in the meantime

jaunty sky
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functioning human or small child

royal lantern
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cus thats literally what happend

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tanked a +11

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and the bm was doing my dmg on all bosses

main bridge
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that is impressive considering BM is one button even without the OBR

errant jacinth
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How ridiculous is it that it has been weeks and there is no bugfixes to any of the issues that were outlined by Whispyr in that video

main bridge
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ridiculous but not surprising

royal lantern
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wowhead article just dropped

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no uncapped crests for a couple weeks

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god i hate that entire "tubo boost" system so much

nocturne quail
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So basically turbo boost just starting the 21st

royal lantern
reef shuttle
royal lantern
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until they decide that you need to spam m+

nocturne quail
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I’m already only crest gated on my main, I’m glad blizz cooking tho tbh and at least trying something

royal lantern
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i mean, what are they trying

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its just to make people grind crests for upgrades again

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which happens at the convenient time when people that played since week1 of a patch would be kinda finished with gear

red schooner
golden loom
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well you have your weekly 90

red schooner
golden loom
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so makes it so that you dont have to degen m+ asap when it comes out

analog field
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it is still weird that with my weekly 90 i cant get to 8/8

golden loom
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not horrible

red schooner
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I ain't degenning

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I'm logging in on the 21st and slamming gear

analog field
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they could like 180 for a week or something

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to help things out i guess

royal lantern
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now i have to pump crests into the loom dagger

maiden sierra
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i read the newest pin

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im tilted

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im tired boss

marsh fjord
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Man is talking about bugs like is back in World War Two sitting in the trenches

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calm down big boi

main bridge
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Ya just play something else. That’s what I did

maiden sierra
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yeah ive been playing dk since frost and blood talents and abilities actually do the things they are supposed to garf_sit

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unlike assassination OMEGAKEKW

maiden sierra
marsh fjord
maiden sierra
coral ibex
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go reroll ret and complain there where they care about complaints from randoms

maiden sierra
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i literally wrote:
"i read the newest pin
im tilted
im tired boss"
i dont see any complaints

marsh fjord
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He called me irrelevant

main bridge
maiden sierra
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correct

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gotta be a little overdramatic for a moment before starting my 2nd league match

marsh fjord
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I think you need to get some help mentally bro

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Less tilt: more fun

maiden sierra
marsh fjord
maiden sierra
main bridge
unborn rain
maiden sierra
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s1 was decent

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s2/movie was a bit rapey

oak tangle
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this isn't the kinda off topic i signed up for

royal lantern
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anime is a sin

maiden sierra
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im a sinner

royal lantern
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the Gates will not open for you scum

main bridge
royal lantern
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thats why the Rapture didnt get you scum

unborn rain
coral ibex
normal mist
main bridge
coral ibex
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O SHIT CAP AND VEST

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SLIGHTLY BAD BOY ALERT

maiden sierra
main bridge
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Oh so the gif is accurate

oak tangle
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i feel like anime is like one step away from being arrested

normal mist
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I joined chat at the wrong time smh

main bridge
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Well yeah there are some weird ones for sure

unborn rain
oak tangle
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the gifs

normal mist
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i'm watching a lot of stuff

unborn rain
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yaoi?

normal mist
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nah

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some of these i haven't started

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unborn rain
oak tangle
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no

maiden sierra
oak tangle
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theres a person with a fucking tail

normal mist
main bridge
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I saw that anime title and thought it sounded pretty wild

covert jewel
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legit a mage in classic so

unborn rain
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oh my god the eyes lol

coral ibex
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boost 10/21

normal mist
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literally one of the best animes this season

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oak tangle
coral ibex
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??

oak tangle
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what month is 10/21

coral ibex
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when you say a date

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do you say "october 21st"

unborn rain
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this is murrica

coral ibex
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or do you say

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THE TWENTY FIRST OF OCTOBER

oak tangle
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no i say 21st of october

coral ibex
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yea ok

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euro detected

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get the fuck out

oak tangle
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nope

unborn rain
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get the fufk out

unborn rain
oak tangle
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it's literally the entire owrld that's not NA

brave stump
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Einundzwanzigster Oktober

oak tangle
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lol

cyan epoch
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haloween month twenty twenty five on the twenty first day

unborn rain
oak tangle
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im from australia?

unborn rain
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u cant even prove youre real

oak tangle
unborn rain
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ur an oracle ai chat bot

coral ibex
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here's the easiest way to prove euros are wrong btw

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when you get a yearly calendar

normal mist
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we dont

coral ibex
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how are the months and days arranged

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month, then day

normal mist
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Day, month, year

oak tangle
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by that logic

unborn rain
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well at least on chewsday

oak tangle
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your date should be 25/10/26

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cause the year comes first

coral ibex
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maybe it is

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what if this isn't ragebait

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what if this is my genuine dogshit opinion

unborn rain
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lol

coral ibex
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you didn't account for that

oak tangle
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i'm still stuck on being called a euro

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😦

unborn rain
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ur a potential 51st state

coral ibex
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so don't claim their heritage

golden loom
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you go from smallest up
Hour day month year

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fuck the USA

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amen

oak tangle
unborn rain
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yo

coral ibex
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there's no way they actually expect people to do 2 weeks of turbo boost without uncapped crests right

fleet pagoda
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delaying chips I get... the increased ilvl and uncapped crests being desync I don't

oak tangle
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i mean it works for me, i don't have alot of myth pieces, so i'll have the gilded to send upgrades into my hero bits

unborn rain
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idrc cuz theres few upgrades left and the chances i get rm are miniscule

golden loom
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personally it will keep my alting easier so idm

coral ibex
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the only thing i care about is boostmaxxing my item level and getting a 729 prism

golden loom
main bridge
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Gotta drip feed the content and keep the hamsters on the wheel

golden loom
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idk atleast there something to do

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like if ur done with the season ur already done with the expansion

oak tangle
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that's one benefit of my team beginning mythic prog last week, we kinda got that to do while we wait

golden loom
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and if you are still playing what does it matter

coral ibex
golden loom
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no 🙂

oak tangle
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lowkey, i wish they wouldn't announce things, and just release them

unborn rain
oak tangle
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this is why weebs need to be arrested

unborn rain
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are u autistic or sumn

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lotta jokes going over ur head

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no shade i just wanna provide accommodations

oak tangle
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u good bro?

unborn rain
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yo

main bridge
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Mom ate too much Tylenol smh

coral ibex
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respect your fellow tylenol americans

unborn rain
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hes not an american

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yet

oak tangle
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i mean i'm not sure what the joke is about australia being a 51st state or how i'm meant to know what the fuck that means

unborn rain
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lol

oak tangle
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not a good joke i guess

keen spruce
coral ibex
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"im not european im just settled by them almost exclusively" hmm i wonder why you use european standards

unborn rain
#

australia being settled exclusively by felon europeans

#

omegalul

oak tangle
#

bro, america was settled by the same people

#

lol

coral ibex
#

yea and now we say the date different

golden loom
#

devolved creatures

coral ibex
#

its 65 F at 2:15 pm on 9/26/25

#

🌭

unborn rain
#

usa usa usa

coral ibex
#

i used to have a spinning hotdog emote

#

where did it go

#

🙁

unborn rain
main bridge
royal lantern
#

you play wow and are duck obsessed

keen spruce
royal lantern
keen spruce
#

Also I don’t play wow anymore Cheesin

main bridge
#

Nobody quits. They just take breaks

oak tangle
#

y u do dis shmeeps, we used to log review together 💔

coral ibex
icy shoal
#

Guy is normal rogue assa is so low in dps now in raid

#

?

unborn rain
#

wdym

rotund oak
unborn rain
#

^

rotund oak
#

maybe if u post some logs

#

we can find something

oak tangle
#

yeah if you parse 90+ and you're low that would answer your question, if you're not parsing that, then i guess yeah it's not normal

rotund oak
main bridge
#

Incoming Reddit post featuring an out of context graph

rotund oak
#

happy you've found your freedom

lunar pond
unborn rain
#

dear realz,

lunar pond
#

🍿

keen spruce
keen spruce
keen spruce
main bridge
unborn rain
#

please god no

oak tangle
unborn rain
#

i got off reels to escape the dobby memes

keen spruce
#

Why does your algorithm give you dobby memes

unborn rain
#

cause theyre cursed and i cant look away

keen spruce
#

Mine is just gold memes and ducks

unborn rain
#

like watching a passenger train crash

keen spruce
#

Golf

oak tangle
#

mine is red pandas and hedgehogs

unborn rain
#

mine is

#

just gay smut

keen spruce
#

Is gay smut a pipeline to caked up dobby memes

unborn rain
#

nah

oak tangle
unborn rain
#

cute

coral ibex
midnight scroll
#

only missing hoa and ara kara for resi wish me luck

oak tangle
pliant remnant
#

ok do hoa and ara kara and then you'll be missing all of the dungeons for the next resi

neat rain
#

I want hero antenna and hero boots v.v

image.png
#

Also where go from here?

coral ibex
#

mythic raid

reef shuttle
#

ALTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

neat rain
#

Can you get saladbar's dagger even if you just kill the first few bosses in Mythic?

coral ibex
#

no

neat rain
#

I knew it wouldn't be in the vault v.v

reef shuttle
coral ibex
#

stat weights dont matter

main bridge
#

No stat weights in 2025

coral ibex
#

bad advice

main bridge
#

Only sim top gear

coral ibex
#

just sim droptimizer/top gear

golden loom
#

all that matters is ilvl on dagger

normal mist
#

Mentioning stat weights in #assassination is like asking to get roasted

reef shuttle
reef shuttle
normal mist
#

thats not statweights

#

thats topgear

#

also, OH dagger doesnt fucking matter

golden loom
#

well the secondaries mean less on mainhand

fallow canopy
#

daggers stat budget HOLY

unborn rain
#

if oh dagger doesnt matter why do many subs double craft

normal mist
#

they are dumb

#

and watch streamers

unborn rain
#

thats riht

#

assassin superiority

golden loom
#

cause lets say we have a 720 ilvl "perfect stats" dagger, its still 1% worse than a 723 god awful secondaries stats

coral ibex
#

and what counts as "perfect stats" is entirely dependent on the rest of your gear

#

NK dagger is literally a downgrade for me

#

at 723

reef shuttle
coral ibex
#

the only have an effect in that your desired secondaries are dependent on the rest of your gear

golden loom
#

wow the secondaries between loomithar and NK dagger really matter

image.png
coral ibex
#

there's no reason to specifically want a crit/mastery dagger

#

independent of knowing all your other gear

golden loom
#

also daggers give a piss small amount of secondaries anyways

#

so its never gonna be impactful

#

like you can swap a few gems and woohooo it swings the other way

coral ibex
#

its true, you get more secondaries by upgrading from hero to myth track on your chest vs equipping a dagger at all

keen spruce
runic hinge
#

just change your gems!!!!!

#

your ring enchants

#

change your missives on your 2 crafted slots!

#

CHANGE EVERYTHING FOR 1.2% DPS OR GET BENCHED

golden loom
#

change your cloak gem

reef shuttle
keen spruce
#

Or just don’t worry about optimizing entirely underpowered secondaries for a <1% damage difference

runic hinge
#

NO

golden loom
#

stat weights change the moment you swap ONE PIECE

runic hinge
#

stat weights change every time you swap and piece its useless info

keen spruce
runic hinge
#

there's like 31 warnings when you go to the stat weight page and people really wanna use them still

golden loom
#

you can input 16 million combinations into topgear and the clanker will do its job

keen spruce
#

Top gear does all of the calculation/work of interpreting stat weights for you

reef shuttle
coral ibex
fallow canopy
#

stat weights discussion at the tail end of 2025 garf

keen spruce
#

Looking at stat weights is completely pointless when deciding between a finite number of upgrades given the existence of top gear

coral ibex
#

you are literally just wasting your time looking at stat weights

#

there's no reason to

#

you will still just equip what top gear says

main bridge
#

10 years later stats still being discussed in every class discord every day

keen spruce
#

Or just equip anything that’s an appropriate ilvl and don’t even worry about it because it makes 0 difference in your ability to clear any content

reef shuttle
runic hinge
#

pvp is its own thing

#

they just stack mastery and dont care

reef shuttle
runic hinge
#

yeah and they do weird shit

coral ibex
#

nobody cares about pvp in this channel tho

#

this is about pve

golden loom
#

yeah but its a completely different game

keen spruce
#

Even a completely unoptimized gear set that isn’t intentionally griefing into a single stat for fun will have no noticeable difference on your damage in any pve content given normal variance and rng

normal mist
keen spruce
#

Agility and MH damage only stats that matter

#

The rest is just vers and vers in a trench coat

fallow canopy
#

surely the stat difference matters more than the natty 5% variance from abilities that blizzard has in Pepegrin

normal mist
#

The only stats that matter is the friends i did along the way

reef shuttle
runic hinge
#

pvp'ers will also just copy whoever is rank 1 all the way down the ladder even if they find out they can use different stats and get more damage

keen spruce
#

Tier set bonuses aren’t stats

fallow canopy
golden loom
runic hinge
#

yeah i mean im sure pvp'ers could use some crit or something and do more damage they just refuse

keen spruce
#

PvP isn’t real, it can’t hurt you

runic hinge
#

mastery/vers on every slot

keen spruce
#

PvP also isn’t optimizing for only throughput

golden loom
#

ye the damage reduction from vers is actually a factor in pvp

keen spruce
#

Well they’re not optimizing period

#

But if they were gonna

normal mist
#

@hollow river get over here, they are shitting on pvp stats!

#

(whispyr is such a beautiful man)

keen spruce
#

Keep the backyard ufc discussion out of my assas chat

floral igloo
#

!stats

prisma monolithBOT
#

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

  • Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
  • Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
  • Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
native vigil
#

Should I be trying to keep my energy at half? Like should I just auto attack for a while to build up energy? Sometimes im getting to 0 and can't cast anything

coral ibex
#

no

#

!design

prisma monolithBOT
#

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

normal mist
native vigil
#

Im running out of energy even in M+ 😮

main bridge
#

Doing something very wrong then. Make sure you are applying bleeds to 5 targets as much as possible

#

You should have infinite energy in AOE

coral ibex
#

you aren't running out in aoe

#

its impossible

#

or you aren't spreading any ruptures

idle roost
#

designed to do tank damage in single target in m+

normal mist
#

And still end up at 7+M dps overall

idle roost
#

as if thats good xdd

normal mist
#

Isnt it?

midnight scroll
idle roost
#

no, check hunters

native vigil
#

So I probably misunderstood, but I was only spreading bleeds via vanish/stealth opener, but the packs are living longer than the dots, and I run out of vanishes on some packs :/

midnight scroll
#

or nobody just wants to invite me

normal mist
spice surge
#

Contrary to popular belief you can actually apply bleeds without indescriminate carnage up

native vigil
#

Should I be tab targeting bleeds then?

normal mist
#

yes

midnight scroll
coral ibex
#

you should be keeping up 5 ruptures

#

at all times

spice surge
midnight scroll
#

i love the fact that our carnage doesn't discriminate, you can't tell me that ain't cool

idle roost
analog field
#

it is relevant as in most of the keys we play assa is first

#

and even in bosses no tank surpasses me yet in 14's

midnight scroll
#

also is it something about halls of atonement that makes tanks chain pull extra hard compared to other dungeons holy shit

analog field
#

so yeah we can cry all we want but in reality we are really good and that's all

main bridge
idle roost
#

well some people can live life with their head in the sand and thats fine

#

stating facts is now complaining

main bridge
#

You could be slamming one button right meow

analog field
#

if you compare hunter and dk that are broken and not with the other 30+ specs you are putting your head in the sand

humble verge
coral ibex
#

you aren't stating facts, you're giving a personal opinion by saying the damage isn't good

analog field
#

on the contrary you are misrepresting facts

idle roost
#

in direct comparison to other classes

analog field
#

in mdi hunter and dk are better

midnight scroll
#

our st damage isn't good because our aoe is very very good

main bridge
unborn rain
#

use smaller words big bro

#

lol

analog field
#

like really i don't understand people, does a spec need to be #1 to be ok ?

coral ibex
#

no, this is a wow emplusser we're dealing with

#

if it isn't meta, it isn't good

spice surge
unborn rain
#

m plus lol

idle roost
#

imo a dps spec should never do tank damage single target thats not ok. if you disagree np

unborn rain
#

the mini game

analog field
#

yeah but this is not a fact it is just your feeling and opinion

floral igloo
midnight scroll
#

this is about m+?

coral ibex
#

there aren't many forced pure ST bosses this season tho

unborn rain
#

heroic dps chart lol

coral ibex
#

you can pull trash into many bosses

#

so who tf cares about pure ST

#

it rarely happens

spice surge
main bridge
floral igloo
#

how is fdk not up there lol

analog field
#

what does tank dmg even mean ?

#

prot pala dmg ?

#

or prot war

spice surge
#

Because its old

#

Its a meme

analog field
#

which is the stupidest tank atm

idle roost
onyx pond
analog field
#

top 0.01 players lol

#

and the best damage dealing tank

#

xd

unborn rain
#

cherry picked screenshot

main bridge
#

Out of context screenshot and since I’ve seen that bait before I believe he died

floral igloo
unborn rain
#

ur not beating the slow allegations

analog field
#

ofc he is playing fdk

#

coz the guy lives from the game

#

and needs to win

waxen oyster
#

m+ andy logic is if you arent the literal best spec

#

spec sucks

spice surge
#

Yeah like i posted above

#

Anything that isnt the best is dogshit or if its like not in top 5 its unplayable dogshit

keen spruce
#

You’re the best eleem

#

🩷

waxen oyster
#

most people stress needing the best spec

#

when they arent even close to title range

#

let alone actual best keys

main bridge
#

They need meta to carry them because they are terrible

unborn rain
#

yeah

waxen oyster
#

isnt 600m damage like

#

a super short encounter

#

regardless

main bridge
#

Whoa don’t let logic get in the way of your outrage!!

unborn rain
analog field
#

maybe we can find a screenshot from big momma for example where he is #1

waxen oyster
#

do a clip of 20s sub burst and post on yt shorts

#

with clickbait ass thumbnail

#

engagement hack

analog field
#

it's funny coz casual has as twitch title rogue bugged assa bugged

main bridge
#

This guy would go absolutely bonkers if he saw the Kira short about bugs

analog field
#

so all people are like oh no unplayable

coral ibex
#

thick northern eu accent holy shit dude what is that damage

#

instant 50k views

waxen oyster
#

hasnt casual literally said he does it to bait

analog field
#

yy

sage wagon
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
static glacier
#

my garottes and ruptures are only premium quality sourced straight from IC farms

#

I don't partake in these factory farmed non ic bleeds

thorn thorn
#

Me when a dot spec should spread dots

#

Truly inconceivable discovery

vast patio
#

you WILL throw your dps to reapply garrotes on nearly dead mobs

thorn thorn
#

L bait attempt

static glacier
thorn thorn
spice surge
static glacier
#

I have to engage with the world now I'm lucid

#

we're done with the schizomax arc for now

vast patio
#

Assa is the only thing making me reconsider rolling off of night elf

static glacier
#

bro you could just

#

be a night elf assassination rogue

vast patio
#

night elves are uggo stinko

#

and alliance

#

which is also uggo stinko

static glacier
#

true

#

though ngl, im fairly sure nelf is still pretty goated

#

for sin

vast patio
#

Oh it 100% is

#

Mine was a nelf in s1

static glacier
#

since we really don't want to use our vanishes defensively

vast patio
#

amazing insurance for pug tanks being idiots.

main bridge
#

Alliance is pretty nice if you like cities that aren’t spiked mud huts

vast patio
#

I like to remember the days we were the favorite.

static glacier
#

when was ally the favourite even

vast patio
#

If I went ally it'd be velf though, like a blood elf but with good racials

#

Like the last six years?

severe meadow
#

Night elf is right there

static glacier
#

I started as horde in mop, was only ever ally on specific chars to play with irl friends on ally

severe meadow
#

(I play human)

unborn rain
#

human bis

thorn thorn
fallow canopy
#

Velf just for the xmog discount is bis xla

static glacier
#

was so deus ex levels of criminal

#

in bfa

#

like wtf

severe meadow
thorn thorn
static glacier
#

the bfa sl arc

#

made 0 sense

#

still doesn't tbh

#

the reasons are so dumb

severe meadow
#

SL could’ve been so good

main bobcat
#

Loremaster mo

thorn thorn
#

The act of completely ruining a good character with terrible writing

static glacier
#

OH SHE WAS ALWAYS BEING CONTROLLED, ALL ALONG

#

bruh

severe meadow
#

I liked her random turbo strength

thorn thorn
#

My hottest take

#

SL is not the worst xpac

main bridge
#

what's the worst?

thorn thorn
#

for me its bfa

runic hinge
#

The worst expack is wod and it’s not close

thorn thorn
#

wod is an honorable mention

main bridge
#

that's interesting because i think BFA has some of my fondest memories. that being said, a lot of half baked features were introduced that weren't actually good until later iterations, like azerite gear and corruption

severe meadow
#

BFA is the worst

#

But I also didn’t like legion

#

Or wod

runic hinge
#

They actually abandoned wod to make legion good. You did nothing but sit in your garrison for months

thorn thorn
#

Legion and DF were my favorites

#

BFA is easily the worst

severe meadow
#

Maybe I didn’t like legion because it was the first expac I tried healing

unborn rain
#

bfa after legion

#

was depressing af lol

runic hinge
#

I skipped most of bfa so I don’t have a strong opinion

#

The cinematics are good tho

thorn thorn
#

Legion gets a lot of points taken off for having the worst leggo system to date at launch

#

Got wrong leggo? gg characters bricked

#

Great game

thorn thorn
unborn rain
#

??

#

last patch legion w vendor and antorus and mage tower was goated

runic hinge
#

The problem was the first patch when it was random and the leggos were completely unbalanced and some specs needed specific ones to compete at all

red schooner
thorn thorn
thorn thorn
red schooner
#

Good system

thorn thorn
#

Very good system

#

Character bricked, make a new sub rogue

unborn rain
#

sorry please forgive me

thorn thorn
#

Very good they changed it

#

Xpac would have not survived with how it functioned at launch

#

"sorry guys I cant attend prog I gotta make another rogue cuz I didnt get the good leggo"

little current
#

its crazy that like

#

i started in DFS3

#

and all of wow seemed like

#

this was horrible for the first patches of the expansion

#

but it became tolerable at the end

#

over and over and over

thorn thorn
#

DF was (so far) the turning point so far and is (mostly) free of that kinda thing

#

The notable exception being the DF leggo system being the second worst the game has ever seen

thorn thorn
#

SL covenants admittedly ended up being one of the worst examples of this

barren yarrow
#

Bugs fixed yet blizzard?!

#

continues to cry lol

thorn thorn
#

The general idea was that you had 4 picks and they were should be close enough that you could pick what you wanted

severe meadow
thorn thorn
#

Which was uh

#

A little off from reality

barren yarrow
severe meadow
gusty mirage
little current
#

dude

#

like

#

it says a lot that a lot of SL skills and talents were put into the talent tree

#

it was just implemented in the worst possible way

static glacier
# thorn thorn Got wrong leggo? gg characters bricked

idk bro, just swap chars ez, started uh dk, didn't get bracers > reroll fire mage > got 0dps cast on the move boots > reroll rdruid > get ekowraith (kinda mid but always useful, for all specs) > sephuz (couldn't proc w/e) > amanthul's shoulders (they were meh until they got buffed to be insane) but tbh the secret for me was be on a healer, hard to care about leggos then

gusty mirage
#

If you want a real brain buster, look up conduit energy lmao

thorn thorn
#

The ones for rogue are almost all present in some manner

gusty mirage
#

Literally all of alpha and beta “hey blizzard this system fucking sucks”

little current
#

imma be real

gusty mirage
#

“Nah it’s fine”

thorn thorn
#

Sepsis was the only one that got yeeted

gusty mirage
#

“This really sucks”

static glacier
#

sl was a different breed

little current
#

im not a big fan of how they're doing like

#

borrowed power lite this expansion

#

esp season 2

static glacier
#

accedentally spam through quest convo with this npc, oops my rogue is now locked kyrian for two weeks

little current
#

cause cyrce's circlet was fine

static glacier
gusty mirage
#

9.1.5 (or maybe 9.1.7?) “conduit energy removed, but we still think it was a great idea”

little current
#

but I really disliked the delve belt

gusty mirage
little current
#

and the horrific visions helm enchants were just pointless

bronze pike
#

hi oxi

thorn thorn
#

Borrowed power sucks ass

static glacier
gusty mirage
static glacier
#

it was content

little current
#

i mean yeah