assassination

[red schooner]

But you just want it every 3 minutes with deathmark

That's the main timing

[marsh ferry]

if you macro trinket into vanish then you want to press it right before DM

[zealous moth]

you can still run the one from base rogue tree

20% dmg reduction

[hexed pumice]

yea i know, but i've seen ppl mostly running the cheat death atleast on wclogs

[zealous moth]

i mean, that's preference

[hexed pumice]

so outside of that, evasion has no use right

[zealous moth]

if you are feinting a lot, cheat death is worseish

bc that's assuming you're gonna die

[solemn laurel]

so this opener is ok

[red schooner]

Looks fine to me!

[hexed pumice]

looks good

[solemn laurel]

whenever mark comes back up i can do this type of rotation again

[hexed pumice]

some people open without ambush and with garrote only

dunno which one is better

[zealous moth]

tempered potion after all cds?

not before?

i mean it's not gonna make a HUGE dif but

[hexed pumice]

oh i'd use the temper with DM too

[zealous moth]

isn't it better?

[marsh ferry]

yeah potion buffs coins

[solemn laurel]

ive gotta macro the potion

[hexed pumice]

y

[zealous moth]

i always just pot > shiv > dm > etc

[solemn laurel]

to cast before my dm and trinket

[zealous moth]

or pot >dm > shiv if ds

if you want to go full psycho you can pot on pull

should still cover your DM and KB

and you get the stats for the rest of your opener

stonks

[solemn laurel]

also, i have the dagg from m loom, do i use over crit mastery crafted

[marsh ferry]

[solemn laurel]

its not 723 yet, til next reset

[zealous moth]

if it's higher ilvl yes

[zealous moth]

bigger garrote dots

[ancient ingot]

hi guys, can someone explain how should i use prism in M+ bleed build? i saw a lot of video, someone use after deathmark, someone before, is it make difference ?

[visual jolt]

Hey quick question, nothing is simming higher than my 671 Jastor's Diamond..Should I just swap it with something else? T_T

[coral ibex]

bind to DM

[solemn laurel]

another quick question, are we still spending at 5 like deathstalker

[zealous moth]

yeah

bc it flips coins

[ancient ingot]

i use only with dm?

[zealous moth]

yes

[ancient ingot]

but with fatebound build i use also with vanish ye?

[zealous moth]

correct

[ancient ingot]

yesterday i kill king hc and have only 50 green logs, after i check top logs and saw i dont need save cs on titan and i can burst it, am i right?

[zealous moth]

you use it every other deathmark, so binding it to vanish just makes it naturally line up

that way you do DM+vanish(prism) > DM > DM+vanish(prism)

[zealous moth]

if it lines up you can, depends on how long your group is taking to kill them

[sleek night]

Why is this a waste of craft?

[zealous moth]

glorified stat stick

don't know the specifics, but you're basically using a craft for about 1400 stats when you can just craft a ring/neck/belt

[ancient ingot]

when i save, after i saw how slowly we kill him, if 5 second more we wipe

i mean should i save on next phase or i can burst titan ?

[red schooner]

Offhand is one of our worst slots

[ancient ingot]

for better value from my dps

[red schooner]

It should be bottom of the priority list

[echo plume]

would anyone mind taking a look at my recent plex/soulbinder kill and point out areas i can improve? Spacedate

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1KxVJqNQHfZhc67k?fight=41&source=481%2C488

[zealous moth]

also see? this guy crafted a neck, that´s 9500 worth of secondary stats vs ~1500 from a dagger

[red schooner]

First glance from plexus - shiv timings are a bit off. You want your shivs to cover the full deathmark window

And your shiv on just the kingsbane should cover the last 8 seconds

[zealous moth]

even 703 wrists have more stats than 720 dagger

[west crown]

2nd shiv with deathmark is last 8 of KB, not completely covering DM. Per the man himself

[red schooner]

No. KB caps in like 4 seconds.

Better to have the shivs covering the DM

[west crown]

I’m pretty sure you should be pressing shiv before your kingsbane (without deathmark) for the flips which you consistently don’t do

[warm vortex]

It's funny how the bugs still aren't fixed
Wonder if they will be fixed before legion remix

[west crown]

No you’re wrong

[zealous moth]

no, he's right

[red schooner]

@balmy condor Sorry for the ping but

[zealous moth]

saw this the other day

[red schooner]

He's citing you

[zealous moth]

during DM KB caps in like 5 seconds

[west crown]

I am citing him

This is not an original thought

[zealous moth]

and shiv should cover deathmark always when it is up

[woven frost]

[west crown]

Logically I’d agree with you. But I don’t doubt sim man

[earnest remnant]

in his originally

[red schooner]

Ryz, find me a screenshot, where he says to not cover deathmark

Please

[earnest remnant]

it was last 8 on kb

as per his video

[west crown]

I’ll look. I’m on my phone so bear with me

[earnest remnant]

but it was changed a week or so alter

to just be covering DM

[red schooner]

Thanks Stealthi.

[woven frost]

So refresh as soon as first shiv expires, yes?

[zealous moth]

yeah

[woven frost]

Dang this was helpful. I was also saving for last ~8 seconds for the second one

A shiv sandwich if you will

[red schooner]

#assassination message 5 days ago

[west crown]

Yeah I guess it changed.

[woven frost]

Now I know it’s supposed to be a shiv pizza

[west crown]

Not trying to argue. Just misinformed

[red schooner]

It's cool dude.

It happens.

[woven frost]

Your question helped me. So I’m appreciative

[analog field]

Also for lone KB I think you shiv last 8 sec

[zealous moth]

A WRONG STATEMENT?? IN MY DISCORD CHANNEL?????

[analog field]

not in the start

[zealous moth]

yeah

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-right-to-jail-right-away-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-gif-16177531

[woven frost]

A shiv crisp then

[sleek night]

I already have neck bracers and main hand crafted. I just crafted another dagger but I only had vers haste champ off hand. All my other gear is pretty strong but Kordrollas-Agg is my character if you had a better idea of what I should’ve crafted instead

[west crown]

So I saw something on we Shiv last 8 of KB for “no DM” KB?

[red schooner]

Correct! The solo KB you go for the last 8

[woven frost]

The shiv crisp

[west crown]

Holy I’ve been griefing

[red schooner]

DM you cover the DM window because kingsbane caps in like 4 seconds with deathmark

[west crown]

Still managing to 99 in heroic and not even playing correctly

[woven frost]

That’s impressive!

I blunder my fatebound fights every time. I know it should be easier but I swear my brain disconnects from my hands as soon as I switch hero talents

[west crown]

That pfp is creepy. The way you type doesn’t help. Can we get some bot detection here?

[zealous moth]

probably a ring or chest

both give way more stats

[oak tangle]

see why whispyr says "it doesn't f'ing matter" to so many questions

[woven frost]

I swear I’m not a bot. Nor a boy. That’s just an AI thing of me. I’ll just swap to my character if it’s creepy lol

[west crown]

Yeah I’m aware. I try not to bother with stupid shit but I’m not active in here everyday to accurately help people either

[zealous moth]

never mind, should have gone for legs

still champ track hurts

[sleek night]

I already have a heroic chest piece I just need a new cats charge next week.

[woven frost]

Real grammar means a bot?

[oak tangle]

press buttons, get ilvl, and have good kill times

[sleek night]

But isnt my rings pretty good stats already?

[west crown]

On discord yeah

[main bridge]

yeah if you start using emojis it's confirmed

[woven frost]

Oh shit. goes to burn English degree

[oak tangle]

I'm glad you said that, In future I will refrain from using Emoji's in my messages.

[zealous moth]

legs was probly the play then, had to update the profile, still showed a champ ring before refresh

craft an alchemy stone and toss the C prism 🤡

[woven frost]

Better?

[zealous moth]

TIL there are stamina gems

[woven frost]

Teaches me to play with the dumb iPhone AI photo shit

[zealous moth]

thanks kord

could probly get a blasphemite on your neck

[woven frost]

Taking notes- No emojis or punctuation and must misspell at least 2 words. Got it m

[main bridge]

stop! you're training the AI

[zealous moth]

censored by moroes

sadge

[oak tangle]

i wanna know waht you said

[woven frost]

If I was a bot could I do this? touches nose eh eh?

[zealous moth]

i was saying that they should call someone the R slur every once in a while

[oak tangle]

o

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[zealous moth]

bc getting mad and calling people that is very human

the solution is very human

[woven frost]

I’m literally in my 30’s. I’m too tired to get mad at people anymore. You want to tell me 2+2=5 and I’m like “totally bro. So true.”

[zealous moth]

based

not caring is the best rage bait

[oak tangle]

yeah, i wouldn't have changed my pfp, people acting suss

[zealous moth]

tbf i did see the pic and thought it was a gooner bait bot

[woven frost]

Eh it was a joke for my guildies anyway that had no context in other channels. When I was raid leading I’d torture them with owl puns if they kept wiping to stupid shit.

[coral ibex]

you just type like you were the training data for ai

that’s all

[woven frost]

Thus the owl

[zealous moth]

too much AI shit going around the internet

[woven frost]

Well I work with AI for a living so they’re probably doing some inception garbage on my brain

[zealous moth]

oh no the AI is training YOU

[woven frost]

Le gasp

[zealous moth]

either that or they are running chatgpt 6.9 on your brain

[oak tangle]

a gooner ai bot asking questions about shiv usage, checks out

[zealous moth]

i mean

rogue discord is full of weird lonely dudes

[woven frost]

If I start using emdashes just pull the plug

[zealous moth]

target audience

[severe meadow]

[sleek night]

Had to log in to see what I have and don’t have. I already have chest tier piece at heroic. I’m waiting on Cata charge for heroic legs next week unless I get a myth track item. I already have a neck crafted and for trinks I am currently using heroic antenna and nether (champ track) for raid I normally swap nether for heroic sacbrood or mythic crystal but need to resim m+ since I got a heavy crit ring in vault. The only thing I could really think of crafting outside of off hand was a different ring instead of ring of the panoply or a waist but I was under the impression that waist should be disc belt till you get mythic track BIS?

[main bridge]

And using delve as a verb

[red schooner]

I'm in this post and I don't like it.

[oak tangle]

i'm alone, not lonely

get it right

[vocal cradle]

HEY! I may be lonely but I'm not weird!

🤣

[zealous moth]

it comes with the class guys

[woven frost]

Damn I’m not lonely or a dude. Time to reroll I guess.

[zealous moth]

deal with it

it's either creepy nerd or edgy doomer

[ionic kiln]

I'm a cat meow

[zealous moth]

or pirate if you play outlaw

yarrrr

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-popsicle-5th-element-solomitus-gif-27617358

[woven frost]

No edgy nerd option?

[oak tangle]

i wanna truly know, what percentage of this channel actually plays that dogshit spec

[royal lantern]

the outlaw channel is filled with mediocre m+ players

[woven frost]

I haven’t touched outlaw since it was combat

[royal lantern]

not people that play and enjoy outlaw

[zealous moth]

zac is gonna show up and start throwing hands

[royal lantern]

[oak tangle]

isnt zac playing sub, or is that just that one clip

[royal lantern]

zac is busy malding over assa for some reason

like he always does

[coral ibex]

he only played sub for prog

he’s back to outlaw

[trim monolith]

This may be a stupid question, but just trying to understand my logs more. Are we dumping envenoms/ruptures into living masses in P1 of dimmy? or just hard focusing boss and cleaving the living masses in some way?

[oak tangle]

oh 😦 he inspired me to roll sub by watching him delete our captains a dragon boss

[zealous moth]

who is demi

demi lovato?

[coral ibex]

oh idk about m+

just talking about raid

m+ doesn’t really matter, you can play any spec

[zealous moth]

oh dimensius IT'S CALLED DIMMY YOU HERETIC

i just make sure rupture and garrote are up on boss and full swap to masses

[oak tangle]

man, nathanos going off the rails since he died and all

[main bridge]

I ignore them most of the time and if they live long enough I’ll rupture mostly they usually die pretty quickly

[zealous moth]

that way i can grab the excess mass and not get lifted

[oak tangle]

i press shadow dance and sectec when they spawn

oh fuck wrong channel

[zealous moth]

i pres blade flurry

[royal lantern]

you mean blade flurry, green blade flurry or hero talent blade flurry?

[zealous moth]

yes

all the flurries

[trim monolith]

Thank you

[trim monolith]

thank you

[sharp trellis]

is it normal that my sim on patchwerk is at 5.150 but i am more at 4.25 in reality ?

[oak tangle]

yes, you are not robot

[sharp trellis]

yes also i checked outside of raid so without BL and buff ...

[zealous moth]

Are you running sim with full raid buffs and comparing it to training dummy dmg?

Also consumables

[royal lantern]

yes, our fellow human is correct there

[sharp trellis]

true i am dumb and tired

[zealous moth]

Nah, happens

[woven frost]

Speak for yourself

[zealous moth]

Man, i destroyed my sim the other day

Beat it by like 200k dps

[oak tangle]

just wait until you dummy parse and it insta goes to 1% and you beat your sim

[zealous moth]

Tail flips ftw

[sleek night]

My ST sims for raid are showing like 3.1M and I’m hitting well over that generally but I’m still parsing really bad on heroics. I need to get better with using vanish cause I don’t use it nearly often enough in my CD windows. But I’m hitting like 1M dps more than what my sims are saying I should often times.

[oak tangle]

what bosses? loomithar you can and should beat your sims

[zealous moth]

You're probly simming without raid buffs

The exact opposite of the other dude

3.1 feels WAY too low for raid

[urban anvil]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[urban anvil]

!macros

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[zealous moth]

specially for 710+ ilvl

which im assuming you are atm

[sleek night]

Loom, fract unless I get lots of pings for mechanics on me, sometimes plexus but I really just need to get better with timing CDs with the pushback.

[oak tangle]

loom has a damage amp below 50%

[sleek night]

I cannot for the life of me do well with araz and soul hunters though.

[oak tangle]

not a fair comparison

[zealous moth]

are you going DS or FB for araz?

[zealous moth]

also this

[sleek night]

For fract, I believe I will do better now, I didn’t know till today that I can step the mechanics

[oak tangle]

if you are beating your sims, you must not be using raid buffs on sims

[zealous moth]

plus, with cloak you can immune the big explosion, so you have no downtime unless you get the webs

[sleek night]

I’ve tried both, similar dps for both.

[jolly stirrup]

Is there a reason why this log doesnt have an ambush out of vanish?

[zealous moth]

at this point, for heroic go FB with spatter

[sleek night]

Wdym by this

[jolly stirrup]

but a mutilate?

[zealous moth]

the big purple circle he does during P1

you can immune it with shadow cloak

more uptime = more dps

[oak tangle]

fatebound, doesnt need to apply mark, vanish is used for double jeopardy

[jolly stirrup]

ok but is there a downside in having ambush out of vanish?

i know that fb doesnt need it

[sleek night]

Oh, I always just left with group. I didn’t even think about that. I always got spam pinged in pugs so I figured I just needed to so I stepped into the allies on the edge and never tried again

[zealous moth]

yeah, people freak out when you don't run out

[oak tangle]

potentially, ambush doesn't apply as many poisons stacks, ans mutilate has a highger chance to hit 5 cp

[zealous moth]

but it's just knowing your class

[zealous moth]

how so?

[jolly stirrup]

oh really

huh interesting

[sleek night]

I was under the impression it’s always better to use ambush as it gives the extra CP

[jolly stirrup]

this tbh

[royal lantern]

i mean, it makes no real difference lol

[oak tangle]

no, and not worth caring about optimising

[jolly stirrup]

ok so I can just keep my ambush out of vanish then ^^

tyty

[jolly stirrup]

and good to know

[marsh ferry]

I think Ambush's expected value for combo points is a little higher than mutilate cause it starts at 3 points

[oak tangle]

it's more that vanish is for double jeopardy, so you can also just be pressing it prior to a finisher

[oak tangle]

yeah i was getting caught up in my head around the opener

garotte into mut, is more likely to get to 5cp than ambush into garrote

[zealous moth]

wait, can you explain how mutilate applies more poisons than ambush?

i got stuck on that

[oak tangle]

hits twice

[zealous moth]

and ambush doesn't???

bruh

[oak tangle]

nope

[zealous moth]

i honestly thought they were the same abilit

except higher dmg

[sleek night]

Even still it wouldn’t matter wouldn’t it? You aren’t using KB till after that point and use muti a few times at least before KB too?

[oak tangle]

there was degen shit before about making sure NOT to ambush back when we got kb back

[marsh ferry]

I think there was a time in DF where we wanted to mutilate even with subterfuge active

yeah

[zealous moth]

makese sense, if mutilate double crits it's 5 combo points with deal fate, right?

while ambush gives 4 on a crit

[oak tangle]

nah you take the 3 cp ambush, they both can hit 5

but it's only one roll for crit on ambush, its 2 on mut

[zealous moth]

true

[zealous moth]

was about to say that

[sleek night]

I’m fairly certain both are somewhat the same with CPs I generated up to 6 with a single ambush

[zealous moth]

yeah

[coral ibex]

you probably got a bugged cp from a crit coin

[sleek night]

May have been 5 but pretty sure it was 6

[coral ibex]

ambush can’t give 6 cp

[sleek night]

Oh bugs how lovely

[zealous moth]

assuming what memez says is correct

you get 3 from ambush and if it crits +1from seal fate +1 from deal fate

so 5 total

but yeah, your deathmark coins give combo points if they crit, so that could have added more

[oak tangle]

ambush is 3 or 5 cp, mut is 2, 4 or 5

[zealous moth]

wouldn't it be 2 4 or 6?

[oak tangle]

deal doesnt proc twice

[zealous moth]

or does deal fate proc once even if seal procs twice?

that sucks

[sleek night]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[oak tangle]

i miss LE

they dont come around here anymore

[sleek night]

Anyone know if Whispyrs plater shows a cast bar for enemies that need to be kicked? Does say that in the description

[spice spire]

She’s a dh and shaman main now

@slate crown miss us

[idle roost]

!restealth

[marsh fjord]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[slate crown]

🥺

[coral ibex]

she lives!

hi le 👋

[slate crown]

hello

[sleek night]

Hiiii

[slate crown]

dog wtf u don't just tell people embarrassing facts like that on main

[spice spire]

Sorry I’d never tell anyone we raid together

If that makes you feel any better

[slate crown]

it does ty king

[spice spire]

[oak tangle]

i mained dh this patch too, i copiumed myself into thinking the new spec was this patch

[slate crown]

I have no desire for the new spec, didn't even know about it when I started the character last season

I just like havoc

[sleek night]

I hate that’s it’s intellect based

[slate crown]

(I've never once joined fel hammer don't @ me it ain't like that)

[oak tangle]

i was also happy to play a significantly less moving orientated version, momentum being the meta for song long kept me away, last time i played dh was BFA

[royal lantern]

too late, im allready disgusted

[coral ibex]

i’m gonna try devourer but i’m not convinced i’ll like it bc i hate red mage

[royal lantern]

its a caster what else should it be

that just means "get 2 different trinkets" anyway, which is kinda normal if you wanna play different specs

[slate crown]

The current "mover" builds being exergy where you vengeful away and then reset felblade to hop back in make it way more managable

[sleek night]

Meh I understand that. Just think it’s a weird take for DH.

[royal lantern]

and lets be real, you wont need a 2nd set of trinkets cus Havoc will be dead in the water for atleast 2 raid tiers

[slate crown]

However I love that the fel scarred "no mover" build is not no mover because you still have to run all over the god damn place trying to pick up the stupid fucking demon soul on the ground from the tier set it's awful

[sleek night]

I get that it should be intellect but like feels weird, and then it makes swapping more difficult which is whatever

[slate crown]

🥺

[feral basin]

For our second DM with fatebound 4pc we dont have vanish as it still has roughly 25-30secs left on cd

I'm assuming we just send DM / KB and dont wait for it

[royal lantern]

with fb tier, you use vanish as a 3min cd basically

[oak tangle]

i find it funny that all the guide say how fel scarred is the easier of the 2 hero talents, but for whatever reason, alrachi to me is the easier one

[sleek night]

Ya consider DM and KB use 3min

[royal lantern]

why is it weird, because your stats say a different stat....?

[slate crown]

Aldrachi is cohesive and isn't constructed around a bug

[feral basin]

And when we go into just KB window, we don't shiv into it like we do on DM, we hold shiv for the second half of KB?

[royal lantern]

yes

[sleek night]

No it’s 100% personal to just feeling weird about it. It’s been agi only for so many years it feels weird to me to say intellect and DH in the same sentence

[oak tangle]

what bug is fel scareed constructed around?

[slate crown]

I think there's some double dipping re burning blades

[oak tangle]

the 5 immo auras?

oh

[royal lantern]

i mean, paladin has intellect aswell if they go holy

and the average ret play has like -60 intellect

[slate crown]

and that's why you just giga slam cs during tier soul and immo

I don't remember tho

fuck ass hero talents

[oak tangle]

oh yeah, the forgo all ds until last min for demonsurge

[sleek night]

I mean that’s a healer spec vs dps though. That’s different to me. I just expect all healers to be intellect. I wouldn’t want a MMA fighter performing surgery on me

[feral basin]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[runic hinge]

so you hate monks?

[oak tangle]

feral / balance

[sleek night]

I do hate feral and balance but that’s just cause I don’t like how they play. I play resto if I play Druid.

[royal lantern]

guardian is strenght aswell btw

[sleek night]

Isn’t it agility?

[oak tangle]

i had no clue, my druid exists purely to go into flight form and herb

[sleek night]

That’s about what I’ve used my Druid for this expansion as well. I got herbalism and mining on it

[oak tangle]

my druis is 300 ilvl

[sleek night]

Oof mine is still like 650.

[oak tangle]

dunno what expansion that is, but meld / prowl doesnt require ilvl

[crimson prairie]

Hello des francais dans le coin ?

[coral ibex]

no

english here

[crimson prairie]

Arf xD

[coral ibex]

our only french guy hates assa rn so he won’t answer questions

[sleek night]

I love the MW monk, brew was fun in DF but prefer the healer. Again healers I feel like are just expected to be intellect based. It doesn’t feel as weird for it to have different main stat classes for them.

[feral basin]

Anyone able to have a look over my logs? I don't feel like I'm getting very big KB like others are, but also I think I need more crit for raid as I'm more favoured to M+ on my gear atm

[sleek night]

I feel like generally if you’re wanting to heal you don’t swap to dps on the same class. Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how I’ve always gone into healing.

[sleek night]

What’s your crit at?

[oak tangle]

i play disc priest, so i can roleplay that im still a dps

[runic hinge]

I was just joking but i mean monks do a lot of punching to heal now

[sleek night]

That’s my secondary main. Got to 10s just last week. I’m loving it

[feral basin]

24% Crit 53%Masty 21% haste

[oak tangle]

either that or fistweaver

[sleek night]

Ya I love the fistweaving aspect. Feels a little weird but it does good numbers and feels nice contributing to dps a bit

[crimson prairie]

How unfortunate for me who is trying to refine my gameplay in Assa, we can try to communicate thanks to the translation, aha, and in 2K25 after all

[sleek night]

My crit is at like 47% rn. Crit will definitely play a huge role because of how SF and DF work. And since assa is very energy starved, the less you need to muti to CP gen, the better.

I do think my crit may be a bit high though

[oak tangle]

before we go much further with stat talk, just keep in mind, it's really not that impactful

get agi

[feral basin]

I'm 712.44 rn, I cant really get much more, other than this weeks upgrades 😄

[oak tangle]

you can sim for sidegrades

[feral basin]

or if I manage to get a Taz deathless and get some loot

[oak tangle]

no point in speculating on numbers here

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[cedar fiber]

!plater

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[neat shell]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-gif-19121692

[storm forum]

#nextexpac

[lean plover]

looking pings every day just to get sadder every day, day 22

[woven frost]

I get excited every time I see a blue post followed by disappointment. My boyfriend has tried to gaslight me into thinking rogue doesn’t have any bugs and this is how they intended it to work the whole time

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[royal lantern]

22?

man

how many days is 27 years again

[lean plover]

9760, rounding up bc of leap years

[marsh fjord]

mythic loom kill

POGGERS

[severe meadow]

He'd be wrong, unfortunately

[severe meadow]

Araz time?

[marsh fjord]

im on the bench for araz

Sub rogue is in

[severe meadow]

rough

[marsh fjord]

i dont play sub

[severe meadow]

I played Sub for our kill, but I play assa for it now

So rusty at sub I should've just played assa to begin with

[woven frost]

Oh I’m aware. He’s plays a silly lizard. He’s just mad that even bugged I’m still neck and neck with him most fights.

[severe meadow]

I mean the bugs aren't like, THAT bad

The desync is just annoying

The one that sucks the most is DS's

[marsh fjord]

i rather they fix fatebound

then DS

DS is whatever

[woven frost]

Honestly if they just fixed the desync I’d be happy. Makes fatebound feel like clunky

[marsh fjord]

yeah this

[severe meadow]

Yeah since we play DS on 2 fights xd

[woven frost]

I do DS in M+ but the impact on bleed build seems minimal

[severe meadow]

We still do really good, consistent AoE damage in m+

[woven frost]

For sure. I mean would I say no to a buff? Absolutely not. But we’re still chilling in M+

[severe meadow]

Tbh they could potentially nerf our AoE damage abit if they fix the bug

[marsh fjord]

The problem with that is the only thing they can nerf is CT really

Because if they touch bleeds

our single target even going more down

[west crown]

What bug fix is going to nerf us

[severe meadow]

I've seen them do some goofy ass changes, you never know

[severe meadow]

Them directly nerfing something after the bug fix

[marsh fjord]

I mean if they bug fix the fatebound its actually an nerf

because tis giving us more DPS Now

[severe meadow]

yur

[west crown]

Oh I read it wrong I see. Yeah no need to nerf us. We aren’t top tier or anything close

[idle roost]

sanguine blades is double dipping. that fix would technically be a nerf

[marsh fjord]

Yeah but if they fix our prio damage thats a gain again

i forgot how its called again

whispyr video explained it

[normal mist]

singular focus

honestly, if they fix sanguine and singular focus, idk if we really gaining any dps back

[tranquil lynx]

slowly progressing

[mint urchin]

I mean fixing singular focus would def be a gain, esp on higher keys when groups pull packs onto a boss it's noticable

[normal mist]

Higher keys maybe, but for the average Joe (me) doing 10s and possibly 12/13 soon for the 3k, i dont think it will be noticeable

but im not a maths guy

[mint urchin]

10s just don't live long enough for me to even have to restealth mid pull

So no prob not

But like 14/15+ yeah, esp on fights like big momma in flood

You would feel it

[royal lantern]

not really

like, ofc its a gain

[mint urchin]

If you are pulling trash onto big momma and you are doing 30+m with lust - it's not a small amount of lost funnel

[marsh fjord]

Yeah singular focus was around 3% if i remember correctly

i dont know how much SB is

[royal lantern]

i can gurantee you 100% that you can never "feel it"

and its such a weird thing to say

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-feel-it-droop-droopy-eyes-gif-8991026

[marsh fjord]

i can make you feel something if you want

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-15677826050545973054

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/destiny-gif-21994457

Me

and a tank doesnt let me restealth

[royal lantern]

[mint urchin]

We play this game starring at a dps meter, you always feel it. It doesn't matter if my class feels good or bad the only thing that matters is I'm beating the boys

[shy creek]

idk i can feel it

u do the same 19 key over and over last season, and u notice when something is off abt ur damage

does it matter, ehhh

[main bridge]

Reminds me of the guy the other day saying they feel all the bugs

[shy creek]

i just refuse to play assa this season

hate bleed build

bring me back my cleave build with big envenom

[waxen oyster]

same build as last season

[shy creek]

didnt play bleed last season

[waxen oyster]

bleed was good until the very top keys

[shy creek]

yea and i didtnt like it so i played cleave

bleed is drooling over ur keyboard simulator

[waxen oyster]

yeah i mean if you wanted to do less damage nothing's stopping you

[runic hinge]

Pretty sure bleed did all 20’s

[west crown]

Glad someone else agrees

[waxen oyster]

cleave is the same shit

[shy creek]

cleave at least felt cool to hit big envenom and go oooh big number

[west crown]

Yeah but my Envenom not mattering as much isn’t fun

[waxen oyster]

people really out here thinking adding kb adds depth

[shy creek]

bleed is just yea im at 15m dps hitting garrote

[runic hinge]

Cleave doesn’t have more buttons or gameplay?

[shy creek]

yipee

[west crown]

Otherwise I’d play feral

[waxen oyster]

ok valid

but saying cleave is more complex than bleed is the most cope shit

[shy creek]

who said cleave was more complex

[mint urchin]

Yeah but KB is fun, have a tracker to see if you beat your high score for biggest KB can be fun as opposed to having no cd

[shy creek]

its just mroe fun

also kb is just more fun to play with bcuz assa is already an afk spec

may as well hit one extra button a minute to go yay i did smthn

[waxen oyster]

kb hasnt done real damage since amirdrassil

[runic hinge]

More fun to play
Look inside
Same exact game play

[prisma carbon]

CT in ST is cringe

[shy creek]

huh, same exact gameplay

did u play cleave lmao

[mint urchin]

No but it's more interactive then just DM

[shy creek]

u do not spread 15 garrotes and 8 ruptures

[mint urchin]

Not much

[shy creek]

u didnt even press garrote mots of the time in cleave

[waxen oyster]

you press one button a minute

and call that more interactive

holy shit the bar of wow players

[marsh fjord]

I think most people enjoy playing bleed.

it just sucks in ST

but i think thats completely fine

cant have everything

[runic hinge]

Exchanging garrotes for Fok’s omg insane

[shy creek]

so it is different gameplay

?

[waxen oyster]

not really...

changing your builder

[shy creek]

wait no if i replace fok with whirlwind

wait im playing warrior

[waxen oyster]

core of the spec is the same

[shy creek]

holy!!!

assa = fury

lmfao

[runic hinge]

You’re exchanging like 4 globals a pack Wowie

[waxen oyster]

assa has never been a complex spec

[runic hinge]

And calling that “so much more fun”

“Better gameplay”

Wild

[shy creek]

god forbid i have an opinion

[waxen oyster]

anyone whos only played assa since IC got introduced

is pretty much playing a drooler

[shy creek]

wait let me go play lbeed, tonynugz said its mroe fun actually

he knows how i feel abt it

trust

[runic hinge]

I didn’t say bleed was more fun

[waxen oyster]

point is they play the same

[runic hinge]

You said cleave was more fun. I’m saying they’re the same

[waxen oyster]

adding kb every minute doesnt add much

[runic hinge]

You’re maining bleeds and pressing envenom

[marsh fjord]

Here is an opinion foryou feel like IC should get removed and your bleeds should always apply to 3 people no matter if you are stealth or not

[prisma carbon]

gameplay is mostly the same, but i personally found it more enjoyable to have more of our damage come from spatter/envenom

[waxen oyster]

if anything maintaining bleeds on big packs for extended periods is probably more complex

than slamming envenom into a main target

[waxen oyster]

basically poison sub rogue at that point

[lunar pond]

I don’t really get how damage distribution makes something fun or not. Same 10 things, whether all even or 1-2 outliers. What does it matter

[main bridge]

It matters because of how fun it is

If you ever visit the affliction channel you’ll see the #1 complaint is having to manually apply Agony to 15 mobs

[wicked carbon]

Did they update the points we get per m+ dungeon ?
I just ran a key that I already had and gained 40 points

[runic hinge]

Did you do it faster?

2 or 3 chest rewards more points

[main bridge]

Probably a new bug. Someone in another server is talking about this too

[wicked carbon]

No

[runic hinge]

Which dungeon was it

[wicked carbon]

Ara Kara

[main bridge]

me and my boys just depleted a 15 priory and all of us got 40 score, even the guy who already timed it before

[runic hinge]

Weird

You know it has been taking more 13’s this season to get 3k so maybe

[wicked carbon]

yeah that's what i thought

[lunar pond]

They stealth nerfed so maybe stealth buffed to comp?

15 > 12

[waxen oyster]

last season you could get 3k without 13s

My guild's mw did it

[lunar pond]

12 > 15

[waxen oyster]

You had to 2 chest every 12

though

[wicked carbon]

Last season it was like full 12 and a couple of 13 gave you 3000

[royal lantern]

is assa poison sub

or is sub assa without poisons

[wicked carbon]

unless you had crazy timers ye

[waxen oyster]

nah

[wicked carbon]

Assa and sub don't play the same at all lol

[waxen oyster]

let me find it

its harder if you pug yeah because most pugs fucking suck at pressing damage buttons

[marsh fjord]

You need 6 13's this season

to get 3k

[waxen oyster]

i was beating people on boss dam as assa

without extra mobs

....

[lunar pond]

They both use daggers, poisons, can throw the dagger at something, throw them in circles around them, and have CDs that they cover with other smaller CDs that empower their CDs (and damage)

[grand trail]

anyone know if you can equipp two different entropy rings?

[wicked carbon]

I mean every rogue spec has poisons

They are on the common tree

Sub poisons don't play a major role in their gameplay at all

And Assa has much more consistent damage in aoe

[lunar pond]

They both bleed things, only the important rogue specs can bleed things

[haughty flicker]

real

sub throws shurikens though not daggers

and fart clouds

[marsh fjord]

Bel

Where have you been broski

[haughty flicker]

[marsh fjord]

Barely see you in here lately

[haughty flicker]

busy week

[marsh fjord]

Busy shaking your ass?

[haughty flicker]

always

[tight ginkgo]

[spice spire]

[surreal flare]

Tier still bugged huh? Blizz needs to fix their stuff

[marsh fjord]

This is speculation but they might do something when 12.5 comes

which is 7 okt

Who knows.

[outer kernel]

did gambit 10 few min ago for weekly and got from 3068 rio to 3107 xD

[unborn rain]

yo same

40 io from a 10 db lol

[cedar fiber]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[zealous moth]

?

???

i fucking despise lfg

[sharp trellis]

Anyone know why am i only doing any good damage on Loom ? like doing the same with first boss or fractilus and it's feel weirdly different

[old obsidian]

i have with 1 toon 2.8k and decline too but im grom ragnaros xD

FROM*

[waxen oyster]

Loom has a ramping damage buff

[old obsidian]

this

[unborn rain]

i got a forge from weekly and its useless in st

sick

[waxen oyster]

also plexus should naturally be lower since you have some downtime

[old obsidian]

i have problem with the 1 boss >_>

the other ones are good but with that boss i cant pass 80+

[main bridge]

Looks like you already did

Nice job

[cunning scaffold]

For loomithar parses, kill time is huge

[main bridge]

Kill time is huge for all parses

[waxen oyster]

loom is particularly weird

[cunning scaffold]

You either want a cooldown naturally on the amp, and another during execute, or two during execute

[waxen oyster]

because some people's ends right after 6min cds

and some right before

Well, you probably should have sub 6min kills going forward

unless people die

[old obsidian]

this week yeah but thx for 3% and some change but is was blue xD

[hidden dust]

does anyone notice the free 40 rio points we were given right now?

[main bridge]

Yes

[hidden dust]

I cannot find offical feedback for that

[main bridge]

It doesn’t exist

Fun right?

[mint urchin]

I think they are balancing scores from last season to this season, last season all 14 was like 3180ish, and now all 14 is like 3140

[wind totem]

Is it just me or is cheat death useless on Salhadaar? It seems like it always procs AFTER you get MCed

[marsh fjord]

if loom dies before 6 minutes you cant parse

[wind totem]

I mean you can get 95+ with a sub 6 min for sure.

Maybe not rank 1

[waxen oyster]

yeah just bug

[marsh fjord]

oh yeah you can. if you get like 100 coins in a row

[waxen oyster]

like i think you can still parse well

but rank 1 will likely be a post 6 min kill with god procs

[cunning scaffold]

I had an opener the other night where I noticed I had 15 coins

[old obsidian]

maybe dont hit the adds in the 1 boss and run direct to the boss will help (?)

[cunning scaffold]

It just kept going

[waxen oyster]

?

You dont hit plexus adds

you rupture them at most

then run

xD

[old obsidian]

yeah but get yell

jajajaja

[waxen oyster]

"team hold up i need 3-4 gcds to ramp to real damage"

[main bridge]

we are rogues we do not hit adds

[waxen oyster]

We do hit adds

we yell at dks to grip them in

for cleave

[zealous moth]

I DO NOT TARGET SWAP, I DO NOT HIT ADDS, I CLEAVE AND IF THE BARRELS ARE OUT OF CAUSTIC RANGE, I KILL MYSELF

[marsh fjord]

i had a 97 today post 6 minutes

[waxen oyster]

music 200%, raidlead muted

pure vibing

[old obsidian]

o shiet

wait a sec

[cunning scaffold]

I usually slam a token rupture on the tangles once my kingsbane is ramped enough

But I doubt it’s a dps increase. It’s just for posturing

[old obsidian]

that day all the fuking crit hit hard and all the add at my feet the whole fight

[cunning scaffold]

To not get yelled at

[waxen oyster]

oh ill mouseover rupture if its close

[marsh fjord]

its a DPS increase because your sniping

[waxen oyster]

when im low energy

for the snipe

[lusty kraken]

It’s free energy

[cunning scaffold]

Yeah, but I do lose a bit of kingsbane from it. The energy is nice for sure

[old obsidian]

is it also a bit of luck?

[waxen oyster]

Rupture snipes are free energy provided you dont spend 2-3 gcds off the boss

to achieve it

[marsh fjord]

This is our tangle damage

Look at mine

XDDDD

[waxen oyster]

i wonder how much of the dh damage

[zealous moth]

unless you're playing DS and you can dump a DN on the tangles

[waxen oyster]

is just demonsurge pooping

when they're near

[zealous moth]

assa rogue is worthless so

[waxen oyster]

honestly assa is good at add dam

just not hardswap style

[zealous moth]

even in that case, the mark will probably bug because half the adds on raid bosses "die" and never proc darkest night

[royal lantern]

^

the problem is

assa can do good add dmg if adds dont die in 4 seconds

but thats kinda what happens in every tier after 3 weeks

[marsh fjord]

ón that log i just use a rupture

and go back to the boss

[zealous moth]

doing a priory for ring so i can get rid of this damn jastor

prayge for me gang

[marsh fjord]

not halls?

or

dawn

[zealous moth]

need both tbh

[cunning scaffold]

You guys ever shadowstep a tangle and rupture on the last global it’s alive? It feels so sketch

[balmy condor]

I don’t hit tangles as a concept

[royal lantern]

same

just internal bleeding and zug zug loom

[wind totem]

Just put a rupture for the energy and pretend they dont exist

[royal lantern]

what are tangles

[zealous moth]

why hit tangles when you can just hit your head against your desktop

it will do more damage

[royal lantern]

found the bm/ret/frost dk player

[scarlet wyvern]

how is it possible that assa doesnt get fixed since 3+ weeks?

fkn insane

[marsh fjord]

because it isnt high prio

[zealous moth]

bc rogue as a whole has like

5 players

why would they care

[wicked carbon]

Are they even aware

[balmy condor]

Yes

[wicked carbon]

ok they just don't care then

or it's hard to fix

[royal lantern]

or, you know

its maybe harder to fix

[marsh fjord]

it might get fixed on oct 7 who knows

[wicked carbon]

For such a fix to create so many bugs, it must be spaghetti code

[royal lantern]

like, in the end its not gamebreaking

and if its not actually gamebreaking and doesnt create a bigger outrage, its kinda low priority

[mossy nest]

tuning

[zealous moth]

i'll say what i've been saying since start of season

[wicked carbon]

It is game breaking

[balmy condor]

What fix creating so many bugs

[zealous moth]

if you design the tier set around hero talent trees

[mossy nest]

when are we to expect a buff ?

[wind totem]

I actually like the bug on forgeweaver. Lets me put some cds while they are adds around

[zealous moth]

you CAN NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE have 2 hero tree talents that straight up dont work

[cunning scaffold]

I want deathstalker to have better ST without requiring 5t funnel

[wicked carbon]

Didn't this whole mess stem from the CS fix ?

[royal lantern]

? what

[wind totem]

Lmao

[balmy condor]

If by whole mess you mean singular focus not working with caustic, then yes

[scarlet orbit]

the tset bug is so much more annoying then the others. Not that its a impactful bug number wise but its just annoying when you didn't pay attention

[royal hazel]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[royal lantern]

i hate when my logs say that

man, im trying ok

[wicked carbon]

You need to lock in bro

[bitter trout]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[wicked carbon]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-score-for-all-keys-12-and-above-due-to-bug-fix-378563?utm_source=discord-webhook

So it was intended

[gilded oasis]

whew glad that bug was fixed ✅

[desert crest]

So every +12 just gave 5 less io than it should?

[wicked carbon]

seems like it

would explain why we were given 40 points

[desert crest]

Cool cool

[buoyant herald]

Oh shit that probably means I get 3k when I log in

Neato

[rotund oasis]

wow analyzer with assa is kinda weird tho as it gives you bad marks for downtime even though you need to pool

[midnight scroll]

you don't really need to pool

[rotund oasis]

i mean it's that or just be energy starved and afk anyway

[main bridge]

so...AFK or AFK?

[desert crest]

Pooling is good.

Not pooling is bad.

[royal lantern]

what

???

pooling has not beeing a thing for a good while now, what are you talking about

[desert crest]

Guessing ur non deathmarked kingsbane stacks slightly slow

??

What

No waaay

how did i know

[royal lantern]

[midnight scroll]

i really hope it stays that way

[royal lantern]

mf that apperantely doesnt even know how KB stacking works telling me about it now

[rotund oasis]

idk unless you have 20% haste ur pooling or afk'ing

[royal lantern]

haste has 0 effect on energy

[desert crest]

Having high uptime on 2x envenom stacks kingsbane faster

In order to have high uptime on 2x envenom in ur kingsbane u need to pool a bit of energy before ur kingsbane

[midnight scroll]

it's a slight optimization and isn't necessary

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[midnight scroll]

yes it feels better to be able to envenom during kb, but incredibly marginal difference in dps

[desert crest]

Still better

[royal lantern]

its like "yeha if you are low on energy, you can chill for 2-3 seconds"

thats not some bigtime pooling

and it doesnt even make a real difference in the end aswell lol, aslong as you have full envenom uptime, you did your part in KB

[desert crest]

full 2x envenom is better than full 1x

but yeah it is small

[zealous moth]

man

[royal lantern]

you know whats even better?

[zealous moth]

warlock got the ring drop

[royal lantern]

not losing envneom casts at all

[zealous moth]

gave it to our tank bc it was named "girlgoop"

i want to kms

[desert crest]

You are not losing casts by pooling

[zealous moth]

i hate m+

[unborn rain]

same

i need an auto block auto ignore dc lagswitch for all quelthalas players in m+

[zealous moth]

i could link it but i doubt the name of the wa will be discord friendly

[unborn rain]

and rag

[royal lantern]

bro, calling that shit pooling is allready a giant stretch lol

[desert crest]

Okay sorry bro

[desert crest]

I should have said don't pool energy just stop casting for a little bit before ur kingsbane. Just didn't really fit the theme...

Wasn't really meant to be a thesis

[zealous moth]

i mean i don't mean to be that guy but

that is literally what is described as pooling in the wowhead guide

so i assume most rogues just refer to that as pooling

[west crown]

It’s pooling. Just not the pooling of the past

[desert crest]

I mean i don't think it would be bad to pool for a long time

[main bridge]

the wowhead guide also talks about Sanguine Blades, which anyone here would tell you to ignore

[royal lantern]

we had that in DF s3 kinda

[desert crest]

Aslong as u are not losing uptime on envenom

[main bridge]

i often wonder why that is there

[runic hinge]

Nah. You want to advance mark as much as possible or flip coins as much as possible

[zealous moth]

yo i just got a H prism from a weekly chest

LMFAO

[runic hinge]

Pooling is dead

[desert crest]

Should we be pooling before exectue aswell?

I feel like it might be worth it

[main bridge]

if you like AFKing that much you should try Subtlety

[zealous moth]

yeah no

[desert crest]

Someone smart has probably already thought about it and checked

Also would be interesting to know at what %dmg amp it is worth it to pool and for how long we should be pooling in that case

[runic hinge]

The robot has already checked and said it’s not worth except if you’re under 50% for 3 seconds before non-dm kb

[royal lantern]

@balmy condor whisp, people are weird about "pooling" again

[runic hinge]

But I’m also pretty sure you’re baiting

[midnight scroll]

100% ragebaiting

[desert crest]

50/50 between memeing and actual curiosity

[unborn rain]

fuck bbg come sit with me lets laugh at people in disc chat talking about pooling

[desert crest]

Wait so it is only worth it if u are under 50% energy and in that case it is only worth it to pool for 3 sec?

[runic hinge]

Yes

[desert crest]

Okay cool did not know that thanks

[runic hinge]

And even then it’s like .4% better than just sending everything

Like not doing it is barely worse

[desert crest]

Very true

[runic hinge]

You want to be advancing mark or flipping coins.

The spec is super loaded into the hero talents rn

[desert crest]

wdym advancing?

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-a-surgeon-dr-han-the-good-doctor-discord-bubble-discord-speech-bubble-gif-1845193550933450334

[runic hinge]

You have 3 stacks you wanna advance to darkest night

[desert crest]

ohh nevermind

Yeah that does make sense

[runic hinge]

You want as many darkest nights as possible

[runic hinge]

Because it does huge damage, energy refund, and guaranteed crit

[desert crest]

Altough pooling should only delay ur darkest night not casue u to get fewer

since we arent gcd locked

But we are close in raid

[runic hinge]

You want mark up asap

And everytime you consume a mark stack it does damage

It is not more damage to pool

And if you pool a little too much and don’t advance suddenly you’ve lost damage

So it’s easier to just spam your buttons and maybe worry about energy before non-dm kb

[unborn rain]

theyre talking about pooooling again i need u soooo baddd

[desert crest]

Yes i get that part

I guess we might be approximately gcd locked in raid then

[runic hinge]

Yes

[royal lantern]

i swear, every time somebody does shit like that, they ofc have the "new member" tag

every single time

[desert crest]

Not really new here ngl

[zealous moth]

speaking of

how long does the new member tag last?

[main bridge]

indefinitely

[zealous moth]

i feel like i've been here a while

[unborn rain]

u need to ping whyspyr 10 times

[red schooner]

I lost mine somehow

[main bridge]

impressive

[red schooner]

I don't know where it went but I miss it

Come back old friend

[winter willow]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[runic hinge]

It last ten thousand messages

[red schooner]

Zacs daily total

[runic hinge]

That’s what happens when you type every sentence in 4 separate lines

[humble verge]

so

apparently

xalatath bug

gave us 40 score

im almost 3,5k

[unborn rain]

tried so hard just for it to be bugged and giving less score all along

whispyr can u tell me ill get over it

[main bridge]

bug fix apparently https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-score-for-all-keys-12-and-above-due-to-bug-fix-378563?utm_source=discord-webhook

[red schooner]

Now if only I did a key above a 12

But why do 12s when 10 gives vault

[buoyant herald]

Gotta get ready for dinars mate

[red schooner]

Nah I'm boycotting gambit

[buoyant herald]

Tell me more

[red schooner]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1124996137359786075/1411372249335861318/image.png?ex=68cd76d6&is=68cc2556&hm=30d589c8ef9ff12bf6787fe0370155278c222fcca0e65f6cbcd9b2ccc1ea7641&

Bad dungeon

[humble verge]

jea

so cutoff

will be like

3555 now

[unborn rain]

cut off for title?

[humble verge]

yea

im thinking

cutoff is gonna prolly reach maybe

4k at the end of the season

maaaaaaaaaaaybe 4,1k

[unborn rain]

its jover lol

[humble verge]

like

[marsh fjord]

its gonna be 4k 100% lol

people are already doing 20s

[humble verge]

so like

if we are looking at

5 months idk

this is not a real line but

[marsh fjord]

you can get other 10 ish item levels also

[waxen oyster]

Why are we even talking title range

[marsh fjord]

so people gonna do 22/23s for sure

[waxen oyster]

When turbo boost isnt out

[marsh fjord]

We are talking with turbo

[humble verge]

why are u poopie

[waxen oyster]

better than peepie

[main bridge]

does the prism stacking before key cheese still work?

[humble verge]

idk

probably

[waxen oyster]

ask a minigame main

[main bridge]

i am a minigame main

that's why i'm asking

[waxen oyster]

try it and report back

[red schooner]

I wonder if they'll change how title works, seems daft that early season feels irrelevant

[waxen oyster]

hasnt it always

also imo title should not be account wide

[red schooner]

Make it like HoF, first X amount of people to hit 4k

Or something I dunno

[waxen oyster]

if you earn title it should only be usable on the class you got it as

[red schooner]

This idea is probably terrible

[waxen oyster]

hof would be alot cooler if they didnt leave the thing open

until reset

which causes like 200 guilds to spam OT the last reset

to fit in

[desert crest]

Worked for me a couple days ago

Not sure how worth it is tho

You need to have quite fast loading screens

[waxen oyster]

non ssd gamers

F

at most its like 20-30s

lost

[desert crest]

Yeah 2x loading screens in under 10 sec is rough

not counting reaction time and movement time

[waxen oyster]

can they not start the key with you outside

[desert crest]

No

[spice surge]

Nop

[waxen oyster]

i always leave at like 2-3

[desert crest]

So before the key is put in?

[waxen oyster]

no

i leave like 3 before the yellow goes away

[desert crest]

I think u should leave as fast as possible

[waxen oyster]

i dont like doing it in pugs

because pug tanks wont wait

[desert crest]

And depding on loading screen speed go in again as fast as possible

[zealous moth]

prism stronk

[desert crest]

I calculated the cutoff where it stops being worth to do it given that the group waits and u are the only one doing it

And it is on the order of: ~5-10 sec

[waxen oyster]

yeah big part of that is if group waits

[spice surge]

Theres no shot its not worth it

Even if they dont wait

[waxen oyster]

db it feels iffy

if they dont

since first pack is right there

[desert crest]

Need to be a high key ofc

Should be very good on sub since the lost time doesn't really matter there

[waxen oyster]

in a high key i pray your tank has 2 braincells to wait

[marsh fjord]

You can go outside of the key while the timer is counting down

[waxen oyster]

or easiest back to the queue

[marsh fjord]

i did it today

[spice surge]

Idk why would they wait

[desert crest]

Very true

Makes the whole thing not worth it if they wait