assassination

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[oak tangle]

MOROES

[buoyant jacinth]

wahts th efunnest specd u guys would say

[zealous moth]

thanks muffin

[main bridge]

don't blame Moroes you just got it wrong!

[oak tangle]

It used to work

[waxen oyster]

comes to a spec channel

[oak tangle]

Is the problem

[waxen oyster]

to ask totally not biased responses

[gritty laurel]

most fun spec is ret, you can play with your elbows

[waxen oyster]

you mean bm

[zealous moth]

not ass, go play outlaw

[waxen oyster]

what else can i play watching netflix

fulltime

[oak tangle]

I don’t wanna seem out of place, but sub is more fun imo

[zealous moth]

sub

when out of dmg windows

[oak tangle]

I’m just better at sin

[zealous moth]

sub is fun

i need to take some time to properly learn it one day

[waxen oyster]

sub is fun until you get the 3 mobs at a time tanks

[zealous moth]

and not in a "ranged dps are sleeping, go sub to kill barrels" situation

[waxen oyster]

that chain into next pack of 3 at 5% hp

then you want to send a bomb in his mailbox

ingame ofc

[zealous moth]

[oak tangle]

Eh, sub cares less about it than other specs

[waxen oyster]

its just annoying

like

pull all of them at once

wuss

[zealous moth]

honestly i feel like it's annoying for every spec

[waxen oyster]

ye

[zealous moth]

does sub have funnel or is it just slam aoes?

[oak tangle]

I mean yeah, I often say to my tank, yo pull more I got cd’s

[waxen oyster]

no you're honestly anti funnel

since your st rotation cleaves

[oak tangle]

Sub just absolutely fucking blasts for 16s every 1.5 mins

[waxen oyster]

Yeah anyone who says sub funnel

is stuck in 2018

[oak tangle]

Not that sin doesn’t blast

[waxen oyster]

which tbh i've noticed wow players are very slow

in adapting to changes

that happened legit years ago

[oak tangle]

But sub absofuckknglutely blasts

[waxen oyster]

idk why

[zealous moth]

no but like

outside of SD and major cooldowns

sub just

backstabs every 5 seconds

[oak tangle]

Is worse than a wet noodle

[zealous moth]

until they can evisc

[waxen oyster]

idk if its common in other games but wow players will just

talk about a game mechanic

[zealous moth]

it´s just zzz

[waxen oyster]

that is over 4 years old

as if its still relevant

[zealous moth]

guys remember garrisons

those were the times

[oak tangle]

You can get dances down to 30s ish in keys,

[zealous moth]

(i didn't even know the game existed during wol)

[waxen oyster]

yeah 30s cd dance is probably "average"

[zealous moth]

do you guys think i can do good damage on sub with ass gear?

[oak tangle]

Yes

[viscid spear]

Would this a better option over a S2 Pacemaker for anything? (I'm having shitty Antenna luck )

[zealous moth]

been wanting to try it on keys but don't know if the damage will be good for 13s

[oak tangle]

We basically share the same stats

[coral ibex]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[waxen oyster]

unless you have too much haste

[oak tangle]

Sub wants more vers, sin wants more haste, but crit mastery works good for both

[waxen oyster]

i cant see a s3 hero trinket

losing to s2

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/late-cardi-b-not-on-time-behind-time-delayed-gif-23421294

[oak tangle]

The hard part is learning the piano of presses to prepare for burst

[waxen oyster]

both specs just really like mastery

[oak tangle]

And not missing gcds

[waxen oyster]

and then there's the screeching stepchild

that is outlaw

[zealous moth]

i'd assume more haste than crit qualifies as too much haste

[oak tangle]

That’s about 13000 too much haste for sub

[waxen oyster]

yeah sub really

hates haste

[zealous moth]

yeah lol

tbf, i did get another neck

[waxen oyster]

thats one thing that has remained consistent about sub

throughout the years

[zealous moth]

had the haste/vers cabochon

and got a bloodstained pendant this week

[oak tangle]

The only benefit from haste is slightly faster rupture tick rate, and extremely minor faster sht stacks

[zealous moth]

those are past week logs

[waxen oyster]

idk haste has never been great for rogue

due to our static gcd

etc

in legion haste jewelry in your vault

was basically dead box

go next

[zealous moth]

so i should be around

14k crit 7k haste

[waxen oyster]

uhh ideally sub wants no haste

that isnt from your tier

[oak tangle]

I have less than 1k haste

[main bridge]

why the obsession with stats in 2025

speculation is not useful

[oak tangle]

I think it’s literally 1 tier piece or something g

[waxen oyster]

chest usually

[zealous moth]

yeah

i STILL have jastor for dungeons bc i have shit luck with drops

[waxen oyster]

assa is just a joke to gear since everything is good

[zealous moth]

and logic gate omega

so that's about 3k haste

[oak tangle]

Just cause sin wants ilvl doesn’t mean the other specs follow

[zealous moth]

no obsession, just asking a genuine question

[frozen glacier]

yall ever stop doing your rotations just to hit envenoms to see how high you can get a single coin

[main bridge]

it's not a good question though because you don't need to think about stats at all and just sim top gear

[frozen glacier]

my personal best is 26 tails

[waxen oyster]

the top loom log

has like 60 ish heads

[visual sun]

60 jfc

[frozen glacier]

wtf

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

nvm 56 heads

[zealous moth]

yeah, but we are not talking about optimizations, just wanted to know if my current stats will shit on my damage for sub, wanted to know from other people that play the spec

[frozen glacier]

i have to wonder if at a certain point its just better to send envenoms and nothing else until the streak breaks

[zealous moth]

if i wanted to optimize my vault for sub i'd go sim, just wanted to know how it performs with assa gear

[frozen glacier]

and kingsbane ofc

[waxen oyster]

your vault spec dont matter

assa or sub just leave daggers on it

[main bridge]

that's my point though - asking other people about stats makes no sense. you don't have the same gear. wondering if your gear is good for sub is also solved by running sims

[oak tangle]

i get your point

[main bridge]

asking people for random numbers also makes no sense

[waxen oyster]

Is my gear good for sub

[oak tangle]

but haste is universally dead stat on sub

[waxen oyster]

do you have prism

if answer is no

[frozen glacier]

what if i do have prism but i just suck at sub

[zealous moth]

i mean i get your point but, seeing as we are on a rogue discord i don't see the damage on asking a general rogue question

[zealous moth]

me af

[pliant remnant]

what if I'm the best Sub in the world but I'm playing with an NES controller underwater and it's actually my little brother playing

[main bridge]

the damage is that you form incorrect opinions based on speculation. maybe you don't care about that, but it just perpetuates the endless stats questions in here

[viscid spear]

[oak tangle]

haste being useless on sub is not speculation

[zealous moth]

huh?

[waxen oyster]

i like people's aversion to versa

yet glaze mastery

as sin

when both technically

do the same

[viscid spear]

Hmm, the Dslice sim is saying Prism is better than Araz

[static glacier]

It’s the degree to which they do the thing that makes people glaze mastery

[zealous moth]

i literally just asked if assa gear is good enough for sub, people told me sub doesn't want as much haste as assa and we just went from there

there is no opinions or speculation, just a normal conversation lmao

[strange whale]

Hi, I wanted to ask a question. I'm learning to play rogue assa and there are some things that aren't very clear to me. It's more focused on M+.

If we have a very large pull of more than 15 targets, how many should we put rupture on? Then which ability should we prioritize?

Assuming we already applied rupture on our targets, would vanish give us any extra damage to use in the middle of a pull?

[static glacier]

Generally yes, if you’re interested in multispeccing sin / sub I’d learn more towards sub itemisation and enchants with perhaps a swap or two on jewellery

[static glacier]

Minimum 5 mobs ruptured, spread as many as you need to hit all the longest lived mobs in the pack. I normally will rupture 7 or 9 targets on massive pulls. Mut for spatter. When in IC prioritise garotte as your generator until all mobs are garotted or IC expired. For finishers it’s DN envenom > Ct > envenom

After muting for spatter and assuming you’re out of IC you will use fok on 3 or more targets

[zealous moth]

always try to rupture at least 5 targets, which is done naturally with IC. you can go for more than 5 ruptures if there are adds that will die fast too. after that, keep CS up, spam fok until 5+ combo and dump on CT or envenom

[static glacier]

And vanish can be used as a dps cooldown to allow you to reapply dots in aoe mid pull when your original does expire

Hope that helps.

[zealous moth]

and vanish techincally gives you higher damage because of Master Assasin, but you usually save it for either deathmark, reapplying dots or bad chain pulls if you want to not apply rupture manually

also yes, FoK on 3+ targets for m+

[oak tangle]

for reference, sub has one dot (~5% of total dps), doesn't rely on energy regen, so the only real benefit from haste is to shadow techniques for combo point resets, which is still not much

[static glacier]

Ye, sub just can’t tolerate haste

The other 3 stats are solid

[zealous moth]

makes sense

[waxen oyster]

sub rupture just exists because the combo points spent on a rupture

[zealous moth]

i had the impression that crit was bad on sub, and you wanted mastery and vers

[waxen oyster]

do more over full duration than combo points spent on an out of dance evis

[zealous moth]

yeah, rupture is the highest dmg per combo point

[static glacier]

Nah, thing is people base stat prio off pure st, a lot of your dmg in st is sectec and cb guarantees it crits

[zealous moth]

ohhh that makes sense

[static glacier]

In keys people run tea so crits value goes up again since it benefits sectec

[waxen oyster]

also drs

[exotic shuttle]

Hi, just a question, so i'm currently playing as assa, so with the bleed build who's the "normal" m+ build i feel doing bad damage on bosses, my question is if sub rogue does better on this, if they have a decent aoe and decent st? i feel like assasin lose so much ST to do AOE( but i'm a newb rogue)

[waxen oyster]

season 3 you generally will hit it

[static glacier]

Sub boss dmg is better yes

[waxen oyster]

sub has worse aoe better st

[static glacier]

Sin does more consistent dmg while sub needs cds

For aoe that is

[zealous moth]

overall dmg they are both the same

[waxen oyster]

key dependent

floodgate is a sin key

[zealous moth]

kinda

[strange whale]

Everything you tell me is very helpful. Thank you for everything.

[oak tangle]

i swap between the two, sin is imo a better spec if you dont know what is being pulled, and is just generally a more chill time, tanks can make it nicer by pulling onto bosses

[static glacier]

I’d say sin is ahead in overall but sub does more to time a key if you have bosses that you can’t pull mobs onto for funnel

[zealous moth]

also with sin you can just ask your tank to pull adds with bosses for agi%

[oak tangle]

eco dome just feels like a sub dungeon

[zealous moth]

can i mention mythic stats or am i gonna get hated for using aggregated data again

[oak tangle]

and halls feels like a sin dungeon

[zealous moth]

in absolute overall assa and sub are basically the same, if you want to change between dungeons then yeah, sub does better in some and assa is better on others

[oak tangle]

but that's just my personal preference

[strange whale]

Just one more question. I see that the stats for the assassin are mastery and crit, but is there a minimum amount of haste/versatility that we need? I feel like I often run out of energy.

[silk sundial]

You can pull mobs onto every boss in eco dome and halls. Both feel great as sin

[oak tangle]

haste wont help your energy

[zealous moth]

^

the energy regen from haste is almost unnoticeable

[oak tangle]

haste is a good stat (as much as it's dumb to talk about sin stat weights) because we do alot of melee damage, and our dots tick faster

[zealous moth]

for m+ your energy sustain comes from ruptures

and for bosses just be happy to be there

if you can hit ~3m dps on pure st bosses it's probly enough

unless your party is 3 sin rogues

[waxen oyster]

you can do well over

but yeah

[zealous moth]

yeah, my baseline is

i hit about 3.8m on bosses

[static glacier]

Idk I always seem to do more overall as sin, maybe I pad too much perhaps

[oak tangle]

i'm just still stuck on the halls i did the other day, where tank pulled mobs onto every boss

best key ever

[zealous moth]

depends on the tank tbh

when my tank is not sleeping and pulls correctly

i end up with well over 7m overall dps

[static glacier]

I’d say I do like 5-10% more as sin than sub overall

[zealous moth]

it also depends on how comfy you are with the class

i can play sin with my eyes closed at this point

[static glacier]

Eg 14 fg sin overall on details was like 9.3 and sub with the same group was 8.6 or so

[waxen oyster]

yeah fg is a sin key

[static glacier]

It’s like slightly ahead for me

[zealous moth]

flood is 100% sin dungeon tho

[sullen topaz]

on fractillus mythic with netherprism - do u send the prism with every deathmark? coz i see the guys doing it it the logs. I would think if i do like prism on pull, 2. and 3. one , i can then hold for one deathmark to go for 18 stacks into execute?

[oak tangle]

i can see that, if pulls are too big sub will fall off

[sullen topaz]

or ist hat not worth

[waxen oyster]

big momma dies faster as sin

[zealous moth]

i hit 15m dps during big momma last time i did it

tank pulled adds into boss and i had so much energy and damge

[oak tangle]

fg has a lot of largish pulls

[static glacier]

Ye sin cranks it

[zealous moth]

yeah

[static glacier]

Sub is better at last 2 bosses

[zealous moth]

yeah

[static glacier]

Either way both perform similarly

Pick whichever you enjoy / are best at

[zealous moth]

i mean you can pull adds during swampface

don't know about pulling those big dudes to last boss tho

[static glacier]

The lil crab guys ye

Issue is they don’t live long enough imo

[zealous moth]

and that will help dps and sustain during swamp at least for your opener

[static glacier]

Other classes just cleave ur funnel mobs

[oak tangle]

ret pally pad their overall to fuck up ur funnel

braincells dont activate in those guy's heads

[static glacier]

Frostythe is giga guilty too

And that ele shaman spec xd

[zealous moth]

so

acording to mythic stats, priory and flood gate are the only 2 keys where assa is beating sub in average

but again, spec skill comes in

[oak tangle]

makes sense, priory has alot of mini bosses to funnel into

[waxen oyster]

also if you go left

sin has less chance to onehit itself

on reflect shield

[oak tangle]

lol

[waxen oyster]

[zealous moth]

bro i fucking hate that SO MUCH

if you get reflective

[oak tangle]

healer mechanic

[zealous moth]

during DM and with boss <35% hp

you just insta die

[waxen oyster]

nah you need to precloak

[zealous moth]

yeah i always do

[waxen oyster]

or the secret/coup hit will onetap you

[oak tangle]

i'm the kinda person that would symbols into that coup to see how much overkill i can get

[zealous moth]

20m overkill

rip bozo

[waxen oyster]

minmax shit

supercharge both the secret coldblood

and 150 coup

tbh as soon as i saw the trickster bonus

i knew sub was gonna see play

at the higher end

[oak tangle]

i still need to get better at watching for sht resets and using the storm between coups

[waxen oyster]

yeah until my coup refund is delay

and i storm between and get refunded

looking like a dumbass

[oak tangle]

yeah

[waxen oyster]

[oak tangle]

+1 danse

extra danse stacks is kinda the equivalent of "should i stay above 150 energy" for sin

[little tulip]

so uh has anyone tried cleave?

[lucid silo]

not anyone ever

[little tulip]

is it net neutral with bleed right now or down bad

[main bridge]

if you zone into a key with anything but the bleed build you just instantly die

[little tulip]

lmao

[lucid silo]

its bad if you're pushing but if you're chill vibing 12s or something its probably fine

[coral ibex]

ur gonna have a worse time the lower your key is

[little tulip]

no it felt horrendous week 3 im good

[coral ibex]

bc shit just dies too quick

[lucid silo]

there might be a key level where you need to do something else i dont remember if its the same as season 2

[west crown]

Well they are doing 20s so I don’t think we are there yet

[zealous moth]

afaik it's just bleed all the way

the aoe is too good

[west crown]

Actually now that I think about it. Caustic bug makes cleave down bad. No way to even consider it until that gets fixed

[little tulip]

ye just melting trash packs is fine

had a really good eco dome 13 tank pulling adds into the boss today which was a vibe

[zealous moth]

now that i think of it

eco dome is technically 3 st bosses

it's over

[little tulip]

but also pinging sub rogue on gamba

[silk sundial]

You can pull mobs onto all 3 of the eco dome bosses

[static glacier]

Have you read the current tier set

[little tulip]

also big momma is a harder fight for sub for sure, we always try it with one pad dps and a prio or funnel and it goes sideways toward the end

[static glacier]

Arterial is massive

We’re locked into bleed due to that primarily

[little tulip]

tank has to not grab adds half way through or not send xbox huge packs into that boss

[static glacier]

I find sub can push massive dmg into the intermission, a lot more than sin does

but sin does better with the adds up

[silk sundial]

Imo what sin needs on big momma is to not bring the extra adds in on pull. But on the intermission.
With big momma and the bots you have 5 targets, that's scent and CT. The 2-4 extra don't add much. Bring in the extra adds during the burn phase. Now you have 5 scent and CT again

[zealous moth]

honestly i just ToT and go pull them myself just before intermission

[little tulip]

ye i think its just not seeing sub all that often, or getting adds while cds are already going out

which griefs both specs

[raw mulch]

Got a question about thisstle tea is it fine to let it get auto used or should it allways be used with shiv?

[main bridge]

!shiv

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[main bridge]

macro it like this

[raw mulch]

which i have done 😄

[red schooner]

It auto popping doesn't matter

It'll happen sometimes

and that's fine

[raw mulch]

And if deathmark/KB isnt up but shiv is up should i use shiv or wait untill either one is up?

[zealous moth]

im assuming you're asking if you shiv while DM and or KB are on CD?

ok yeah

[raw mulch]

sorry typed to fast for my own good

[zealous moth]

so, for raid, the only moment where you shiv with both of those down

is if you have Lingering darkness, the first stack of shiv after using DM and KB and your ds mark is on 1 stack to proc darkest night (or during DN if you don't have set)

[solar wyvern]

Shiv is 30 sec, your cds are 2 min or 1:30. As DS you shiv twice in deathmark, once dry with darkest night in lingering darkness. And once again in kingsbane. Repeat.

As fatebound, shiv twice with dm, once with kingsbane. Simple

[zealous moth]

that way, your darkest night gets buffed by shiv, 4set effect and DN

[west crown]

And we don’t really play that build in raid. So you don’t need to worry about it 🙃

[zealous moth]

for fatebound, you shiv ONLY during cds

for m+ you usually shiv during DM and then you have 2 free casts between deathmarks

you can use it for DN + lingering, in execute phases for more damage, in prio adds to try and burst them with ct

it has way more uses and way more freedom

[zealous moth]

i think the only fight where we still run it (excluding DHs bc of the bleed build) is soulbinder

feels good on that one

on forgeweaver it just makes me wanna kms every time i lose my mark to a pylon

[summer cape]

There's any way to make a macro to cast Shadowstep on a target? without focus or losing the focus from the primary target?

[zealous moth]

uh

[raw mulch]

Do you even play DS if the adds die to fast had that issue for me during our prog. or still worth going DS over Fatebound? ( forgeweaver)

[zealous moth]

just cast it?

[main bridge]

/target SomeGuy
/cast shadowstep
/targetlasttarget

but now you're presumably not near the original target so idk how useful this is

[zealous moth]

for forge? just go fatebound

[west crown]

I’m playing fatebound on every boss in heroic if the group is even halfway decent

[summer cape]

targetlasttarget looks perfect, and there's any way to add a key modifier to change target?

[west crown]

Mythic probably only soulbinder/soul hunters

[main bridge]

maybe but i don't know how off the top of my head

[raw mulch]

I think for soulbinder i was DS not sure let me check

[zealous moth]

if you say to swap between those 2 targets

can't you just do a macro for targetlasttarget?

and that one changes target between those 2?

i've never used it, genuine question

[summer cape]

It's a dumb and pretty useless thing i wanted to try, at 4th mythic boss i need go go away from the boss to do the soak and i wanted to shadowstep back and forth from and to the boss to the tank soaking, but in p2 the tank swaps for the soak so i can;t just target one

[zealous moth]

yeah makes sense

[humble verge]

i think im on Plan B rn icl

or maybe Plan C

[summer cape]

Just trying to milk all the possible dps :V

[zealous moth]

you probly need 2 slots, 1 with macrod shadowstep the other with just shadowstep

and use 1 on tank and then the other quickly on boss

that sounds so stupid but

i don't know how to macro lol

[summer cape]

I will need 3 slot, one for each tank and one for the boss in case

[zealous moth]

so for the first one do what muffing did

[summer cape]

pretty fucked up lmao

[zealous moth]

you jus target the boss, use macro to shadowstep and immediately target boss

otherwise, you can just take a mouseover macro for ss

[summer cape]

Chatgpt says something like

/target [mod:shift] AltroTarget; SomeGuy
/cast Shadowstep
/targetlasttarget

[zealous moth]

don't even need to target the tank

[zealous moth]

makes sense

you cast to 1 tank, shift cast to the other

[summer cape]

Yeah

[zealous moth]

but again, you'll need another shadowstep on your bar

i'd just go with a mouseover

no need to swap targets

[summer cape]

i might do ctrl and shift for each tank and base on my actual target

my raid frame it's pretty fucked up

if not invisible at all cuz fuck dead people

[static glacier]

its fine if you autouse

but macro it

and don't think about it much beyond that

[desert crest]

Does darkest night envenom funnel back in or no?

[zealous moth]

wdym by that

with cs + singular focus?

[static glacier]

it should but due to the bugs it doesn't

[summer cape]

@zealous moth

/target [mod:shift] Tank; Tank1
/cast Feint
/cast Shadowstep
/target BOSS_NAME```

This works perfectly in case

[warm vortex]

[zealous moth]

noice

since we are talking macros, is there any way to cast ToT directly to tank for m+?

i'm trying to see if i can free my focus for kicks

[main bridge]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[summer cape]

Yep that works

[zealous moth]

holy that´s so good

thanks

[next dust]

what does the macro do tho

i mean left button 1 and 0

[main bridge]

Just makes it so when you tricks it’s automatically on tank

[zealous moth]

[summer cape]

I'm using this weak aura
https://wago.io/8xGN251mS/2
and

/click TankMDButton1```

[desert crest]

Damm typical

Gg

[humble verge]

LOOKS LIKE IM NOT IMPROVING MY LOG THIS RECLEAR EITHER LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[severe meadow]

Force wipe it

Pay the tanks

[humble verge]

wish i could

honestly

ive used

2 pots

and hs

somehow cant stay alive

[zealous moth]

seeing mutilate on 1 makes me feel weird

[winter willow]

!gear

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1405681489470951594/sin_.webp

[zealous moth]

isn't it kinda uncomfortable being constantly pressing a button?

casino rogue

[main bridge]

Well you don’t press one button constantly

[humble verge]

we actually wiped

[main bridge]

If you are you’re doing it wrong

[zealous moth]

noice

[severe meadow]

I paid the tanks…

[humble verge]

ty

[severe meadow]

no pookie

Np

[vestal wren]

at least you got a cinematic screenshot

[nimble tartan]

chat how is he out there

[quiet oriole]

Tell me you got eye beamed without telling me you got eye beamed

[zealous moth]

swapped to outlaw and grappled out of there

[short sequoia]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[zealous moth]

btw that ui looks clean af

now i'm gonna spend 3 hours mad at mine trying to clean it up

thanks

[iron ivy]

Hi, I know jastor is buggy as hell, but how does the sim approach it? Does it overestimate the power of jastor diamond or does the sim represent the 'actual' damage?

[main bridge]

the sim models jastor's assuming it works correctly

it does not (and cannot) model the bug because it's not consistent

[iron ivy]

So if a ring gives a -0.3% damage, it might actually be an increase compared to jastor

[main bridge]

maybe? like i said it's not consistent so that's hard to say

[iron ivy]

Yea, okay thanks 🙂

[viscid spear]

pack up your things, kids. Daddy didn't roll the right buffs

[humble verge]

we are so goated

[unborn rain]

green parse hero lfg

[humble verge]

we are so ready to wipe for the next 2 hours

[coral ibex]

9 hours just to show up the next day is diabolical

[balmy condor]

20*

[coral ibex]

why are you guys doing so much OT for nk

[balmy condor]

They just love the fight

[coral walrus]

do we wait with lily 30 seconds to line with deathmark always?

[humble verge]

2 years

[coral ibex]

you should get a 2m trinket or netherprism

lily isn't very good as a 2m trinket

a 704 prism is better than my 723 lily for deathstalker

[coral walrus]

i dont have a prism. atm i m looking on wowhead bis trinkets and all the trinkets i have are under lily. i dont have any raid trinkets (tried doing normal/hc raid every week so far been unlucky)

i have prism/ara/seaforium and empowering crystal of anub

[drifting cloud]

go back to assa coward

[coral ibex]

do you or dont you have a prism

you just said you dont

and then say you have prism/ara/seaforium and empowering crystal

[coral walrus]

i dont, it was a mistake

[coral ibex]

ok well in any case

bis lists are not real

the order of items

on a wowhead bis list

is not more important than the result of a sim of your character

[coral ibex]

WIFENLOOOF

[humble verge]

nooj

if you wanna see me struggle

im streaming

[coral walrus]

!log

[prisma monolith]

Wowanalyzer now has good initial support for Assassination. We suggest using it to quickly see any big rotational mistakes and analyze your ability usage

Link: https://wowanalyzer.com/

[coral ibex]

im at work but ill open it up

you better not let me clear before you

[coral walrus]

is there a way to open a log review channel?

[coral ibex]

im raiding later tonight

no

just post a log and ask your questions about it

[coral walrus]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[oak tangle]

i'd review it but i'm literally falling asleep at my desk

i'd probs criticise your DS mark uptime on fatebound again

[humble verge]

its in my disc profile

[coral walrus]

you talking to me?

[waxen oyster]

ctw kinda fucks with tier

on overall contribution

[oak tangle]

i don't mean your logs specifically, but i did it to someone else when i log reviewed whilst tired

[coral walrus]

ah, ok. 😄

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wm8xvPD6jN3dABFQ?fight=last&type=damage-done if anyone wanna give some tips, or look a bit over. I think one of the issues i see is the envenom usage. But i don't really know what/how to improve at this point.

[dense cedar]

where is ur boots enchant

[west crown]

Off rip. Rupture shouldn’t be your highest. It’s good damage but Crimson tempest is usually like 15% of my damage.

Last eco I did was a 12 at like 7.7 or something? Idk but 7 is definitely low.

[balmy condor]

Rupture first is totally fine

Its logs

I’m more concerned about where the ambush is at the start of pulls

[livid dagger]

I thought that at first too but checked some of the top 18 logs and some had rupture as top

[balmy condor]

Or radiant power

Why are we using that

[west crown]

Yeah I should have phrased that better. I remember it being top for some pushers

[livid dagger]

Deff not it low keys cause stuff dies before you need to manually reapply for the most part

Just pew pew with spatter

[balmy condor]

Like what is this

3cp rupture into overcapping 3cp

[balmy condor]

It’s also the top damage on lower keys, at least it should be

[severe meadow]

This shit is frying me dude

[coral walrus]

so, i'm missing deathstalker cause i m not using ambush, and i m overcapping on ruptures.

[runic hinge]

[severe meadow]

Need to garrote rupture rupture

[livid dagger]

lol

[dense cedar]

we ignoring the grief no boot enchant smh

[coral walrus]

ye

[dense cedar]

go enchant ur boots

[balmy condor]

Yeah you’re also just wrecking your cooldowns constantly

Which is part of the reason why your st sucks so much ass

[coral walrus]

could you give a bit of more actual usefull information instead of passive-aggresive responses?

Like, what, and where so i can actually learn? thanks

i dont mind the banter, but follow it with an example so i try to not fuck it up next time

[livid dagger]

How to not make ST suck ass ?

[coral walrus]

like how i m wrecking my cds, to pay attention to not do that in the future.

[balmy condor]

Well like look at your deathmark windows here

There’s no vanish

Your second shiv is 20 seconds later

Your entire st damage is your deathmark window

Missing half your cooldowns on it kinda not ideal

[livid dagger]

Nah I’m asking for myself lol

We get to boss and I hold down the bottom of meters and it makes me sad all the time

[coral walrus]

So i should try to line deathmark'+vanish+x2 shivs for every deathmark cd?

makes sense, definetly wasn't doing that. good.

[balmy condor]

You have to go into a fight with a deathmark so you get a second one later in the fight, and you HAVE TO stack everything into the window

Potions, trinkets, vanish, shivs

Like you throw everything into that window

Or it’s 0 dps

[livid dagger]

Nah I know we’re just not built for boss dmg . I used it all we just kinda fall flat ST in like 14+

My hunter friend carries dmg it’s ok

[coral walrus]

ty

[restive crater]

Do the opener correctly, shiv needs to cover the entirety of every DM

[balmy condor]

Idk about darkest night cause there’s no ambush at the start of openers so it’s kinda kinda fucking with my timings

But just as a reminder, if darkest night is up, and you have caustic up

you slam darkest night

Nothing else matters

[coral walrus]

ok, so prio is darkest+caustic, then other stuff.

[humble verge]

@coral ibex im about to kms

[coral walrus]

i think i m fuckign up my mark yes, i try to pre-apply garrote and ruptures when tanks gather, and i run out of ambush to apply deathstalker, and i m shooting myself in the leg.

[balmy condor]

Get your initial gar/rup for caustic, then slam the dn yes

Yeh

Always ambush first gcd

[coral walrus]

nice. much appreciated

gonna go next to see how it goes. Thanks!

[balmy condor]

Np

[coral ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-chudjak-wojak-soyjak-marcvin5-gif-13903021270190271130

infinite nk wipes AND ur on sub

[balmy condor]

MORE OVERTIME

I still don’t really know why they’re overtiming

[main bridge]

OT police open up

[coral ibex]

they must think hof is closing next week and they can prog dimmy in a week

[dense cedar]

@coral walrus not relevant to ur log but you should really bind KB and CB together on fatebound

[balmy condor]

That’s the sort of delusional thinking we like to see

[dense cedar]

play like hof closes tomorrow

[balmy condor]

I mean I guess you gotta be fucked in the head to do 7 hours of OT

[dense cedar]

go insane

[balmy condor]

So the overlap of doing that and thinking you can get HoF without having nexus dead

Probably high

[sage spruce]

assass bugs still not fixed?

[dense cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

[drifting cloud]

if you kill him next reset you probably still can get hof

[waxen oyster]

This spec probably does do tank damage if you just decide to not apply mark for fun

[humble verge]

no its not overtime

it was planned raid

today is a normal raid time

raid day*

[balmy condor]

That might be even more cringe

[humble verge]

also

its really just 5h of overtime

[balmy condor]

I didn’t realize it’s only 45 guilds so far

[balmy condor]

But why

[coral ibex]

a lot of guilds are on dim

[humble verge]

ill give you the personal information of my gm and u can ask him yourself

[balmy condor]

You did 5h of overtime and you don’t know why?

[humble verge]

"to catch up"

[balmy condor]

Catch up to what

You tryna overtime into wr100 or something

[humble verge]

like

"maybe" HoF

[marsh fjord]

If your guild gets into WR 100 it can attract a lot of good people. Can be an valid arguement

[humble verge]

no we wont

[marsh fjord]

So you’re never replacing people?

[runic hinge]

If your guild is already good enough to be hof why do you need to replace people so bad?

[earnest remnant]

alot of hof raiders are just passenger princess's

[livid dagger]

Radiant power really that troll ?

I saw a mix of people using councils guile and that on logs at least

Is it a sim yourself thing or objectively better

[humble verge]

we have like 25 people in rotation or smth

[marsh fjord]

I feel like having an competitive guild when your HOF is a really good thing, you never want raiders to think there spot can be taken for granted.

But if your good enough for HOF as a guild you can be the same 26 people over years i geuss

[balmy condor]

It’s worse than basically every stat enchant so idk why anyone would use it

[livid dagger]

Fair ty

I just steal what ppl in top 20 are doing /shrug

One of the guys Chainbleed and a couple others that are up there used radiant so wasn’t sure if there was much diff

[humble verge]

35 minutes left

2 P3s so far

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Enjoy your OT

[cedar elm]

!fuu

[prisma monolith]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[crisp zephyr]

Hey all, just got back into wow after 10yrs so still tryna get use to this game been playing over a month now.
Feel like im lacking dps with DS, not sure if its my rotations or gear, got a total ilvl of 698

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/frostmourne/gonerear/

[humble verge]

23 minutes left

still no kill

[vestal wren]

next pull for sure

[humble verge]

well

we got to platforms

with 1 dead

[viscid spear]

Ara key falls apart on last boss because the other two dps just can't do Cosmic Singularity correctly

[humble verge]

its even easier this patch

what lvl was it

12?

[viscid spear]

8, I was on my chicken

[humble verge]

ohok

11 minutes left

still no kill

[viscid spear]

Key ran out on the Overseer adds but we decided to finish

Than the warrior and hunter kept getting murked by the suck in

I was even doing Starfall to hit the adds to drop puddles

[balmy condor]

1T 3T 5T 8T 10T Dslice

Swapping is like 0.7-0.8% in every situation

stealing top 20 silly

murlok.io and archon bad

[humble verge]

P3 wipe

[viscid spear]

Wipe his ass, you got this

[humble verge]

we

had

nobody died on platforms

1 death after

and then we just dont have speed for the run in beam

[viscid spear]

M Dim? (I haven't been paying attention)

[humble verge]

no

nexus

[zealous moth]

Nexus princess kyveza

We back to proggin NP

[viscid spear]

Damn, rip

[zealous moth]

Bro i started mythic with a guild that was progging kyveza

They were like 200 pulls in

I was told to just not dps and avoid shit after dying 5 times

Feelsbad

[unborn rain]

that was me on mug last tier

luckily i got into a car accident nezt night and they killed the boss

[rigid fable]

rogue still buged?

[unborn rain]

no

were fixed

check wowhead they just posted tomorrows hotfixes

[west crown]

Not fixed. We were “fixed” last time

[tiny pollen]

Bleed keep good for keys?

[balmy condor]

it's basically the only playable build, yes

[tiny pollen]

tyty

[humble verge]

alright

[mossy sundial]

Wait where blue post

[humble verge]

no kills

[mossy sundial]

Don't give me hope

[humble verge]

and i dont even know if we are gonna reclear or not

[unborn rain]

im sorry

you were collateral

[mossy sundial]

[red schooner]

sweet, managed to request my own benching on soul hunters, I'm safe

I... do not vibe with that fight.

[mossy sundial]

Wym play bleeds and afk on uptime chillin

[red schooner]

Yeah I just... do not do well on that kind of fight.

Not my kind of thing

[humble verge]

@spice surge how many wipes did you guys have on nexus

[spice surge]

107

[humble verge]

[red schooner]

[humble verge]

we got him next week

[gray hazel]

I cant recall, what happened that made the Hybrid FI build die in keys compared to bleed?

[spice surge]

New tier set is way better for bleed

[balmy condor]

bleed buffs, tier set

[gray hazel]

ahh

tyty

[red schooner]

I have a random guild I'm watching just because they have some... interesting pull counts. Take a guess which boss this is. Mythic difficulty.

[humble verge]

loomithar

[balmy condor]

plexus

[red schooner]

nope

[red schooner]

correct.

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

35 pulls to figure out how to press the extra action button

I have understanding

[red schooner]

I found out about the guild after they bought a gally lockout to try and get CE last tier.

[humble verge]

[red schooner]

wait shit i forgot to remove the guild name

[balmy condor]

90% in 70 pulls is impressive

that basically means they spent all 70 pulls just wiping to first bomb

[quartz path]

interesting

[red schooner]

They have a good mental game so

[quartz path]

I would love to watch a stream of this

[red schooner]

They were streaming and it was wild

The streamer wrote their own hekili rotation

[balmy condor]

bro what

[quartz path]

what does that mean

[red schooner]

they had a custom hekili thing

that did an altered rotation.

Or something like that. Altered version of hekili

[quartz path]

https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396

[balmy condor]

because they're delusional enough to think that they're better than sims I guess

or they're just so insanely confused that they don't understand why hekili sucks

and so they just heard "hekili sucks"

didn't think any further

[red schooner]

But yeah, fun guild to follow.

[royal lantern]

maybe it doesnt suck, and it only sucks because your APL is bad

[balmy condor]

and then decided that they would be the one to fix it

[quartz path]

"Im gonna make it better"

[royal lantern]

ever thoght about that????

[balmy condor]

true yes, assa undersims surely

ugly sandbagging tc

[grim jay]

can you do us the honor and do a custom hekili rotation for the musclebrah opener video?

[lapis fossil]

why does... Hekili suck?

just cause it can't keep up with all the changing condiitons?

[main bridge]

• it trains you to press what lights up without ever understanding why
• it is inferior to actually using your brain and understanding context
• it can never adapt to changing situations, like understanding why it makes no sense to use cooldowns on a dying pack

it will always be worse than just learning the spec and using your brain

although i suppose there are people out there that cannot use their brain like this

[hidden crown]

Fellas

I need help

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ycZYzfWjn4GdT8tp

what can I approve on?

[balmy condor]

hekili sucks cause it operates under the assumption that sims are infallible, can correctly evaluate things in advance, and knows the fight timings

like if you follow hekili on soulbinder, you're never parsing because you simply don't line up cooldowns with the adds that way. If you follow hekili on forgeweaver, you're slamming cds into the collectors during the intermission instead of the damage amp, etc etc ettc

there's so much hekili doesn't know

and there's a lot of context from fights that sims do not account for

so like hekili might seem incredible if you're standing in dornagol slapping a dummy

[lapis fossil]

lol

[balmy condor]

but you get to something that requires actual brainpower

[lapis fossil]

makes sense, ty

[balmy condor]

and it just implodes

[balmy condor]

don't bother dotting the adds on pull, always shiv->deathmark not whatever you did

the vanish here

needs to be with dm/kingsbane

you cast it every 3 min roughly with deathmark

as long as you're getting extra edge case flips, which you're not

dotting adds like this is an utter waste of time, it's a rupture snipe not a rupture shotgun

hit the boss, stop rupturing every nameplate on your screen

[royal lantern]

can we call IC the Rupture Shotgun?

[hidden crown]

That would be funny

[balmy condor]

I think you got the cdr bug here

but this is just shit

you didn't get an additional cast from slamming on cd

you cast it like 40 seconds later

and missed your cold blood

don't do that

[river vapor]

Damn they still haven’t fixed the bugs on SIN?

[hidden crown]

it doesnt happen that often \

[hidden crown]

I sometimes do that to get my enegery back on kill

[hidden crown]

sometimes my CB doesnt apply when I use Kingsbane

[balmy condor]

also if you would've just held you wouldn't have had this giant gaping chasm mid-kingsbane

[royal lantern]

yeha, but you do that to 1 enemy when its about to die, not on 5 enemys

[hidden crown]

cuz its on cd

[balmy condor]

yes

that's the bug

[hidden crown]

Im sure this was during the gravity mechanic

[balmy condor]

you either have to commit to casting kb on 0:30 and then figure it out

[hidden crown]

so I should probably not take orb?

[balmy condor]

or you have to commit to 0:45 with cold blood

you did neither

I mean it's totally fine

you can take orb

you just cast your kingsbane immediately before it, messed up your cold blood, and then also had the downtime

so you legit fucked it like 7 different ways

[hidden crown]

ooooh

lmaoooo

[hidden crown]

I did this cuz kingsbane is like 17sec duration

so I thought MAYBE it does better dmg on the last tick

[balmy condor]

it fully caps out in 3-4

casting shiv where you do doesn't buff the coins, loses uptime during deathmark, doesn't buff the instant hit on kingsbane

like out of all the options, that shiv is the worst

[static glacier]

The bug doesn’t keep your kb cd at 30 right, it’s just for a single use - same for dm?

[hidden crown]

I see I see

[balmy condor]

ideally you shiv->deathmark->kingsbane, but deathmark->shiv is an improvement as well

deathmark->kingsbane->shiv just whiffs everything

[balmy condor]

correct

[hidden crown]

damn ok

I was used to that rotation

[balmy condor]

yah we've never shiv'd there

and then big problem #2 is that you just beat your rupture key like it owes you money

[hidden crown]

lmaooo I just update it everytime when I switch target or doing mechanics and the boss too far to reach

😭

I will improve

Thank you 🙏 Whispyr anything else?

[grim swift]

hello

[balmy condor]

my heroic dimmy from august was like a rank 80 or something, but to put it in perspective

you cast nearly 50% more ruptures than me

[hidden crown]

HAHAHAHAHA

[balmy condor]

rupture for energy is fine

but you gotta do something with the energy man

you can't just sit there rupturing everything constantly and going "I do for energy :)))))" and then never cast an envenom with it

like what's the point of sniping energy for a rupture if you're just going to use that energy to go for another rupture and then another rupture and then another rupture

[grim swift]

i picked up this class only this season and ive been playing assassination, my dmg goes very high sometimes just dont know what gives

[balmy condor]

this one platform you cast 7 ruptures

SEVEN RUPTURES ON ONE PLATFORM

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-you-and-you-all-of-you-gif-16547410925962805989

[grim swift]

on the cleave dummies something like 18m but i have a hard time doing the same on mythic pulls xd

[hidden crown]

Me rupturing

[balmy condor]

I cast 20 in the whole 8 min encounter, and you just slammed 7 on an intermission platform that lasted barely a minute

diabolical work

[hidden crown]

Maybe they need to make rupture the main combo spender

[balmy condor]

would need to see logs or something, but in general you just spread improved garrote from stealth, get your 5 ruptures up, crimson tempest, envenom spam for caustic/deathstalkers mark and you're good to go

so idk where that disconnect is

[balmy condor]

maybe you just need to swap your rupture and envenom keybinds

[main bridge]

probably attacking dummies in permanent execute range

[balmy condor]

trick your brain into using envenom every now and then ya know

it's a good thing you're playing fatebound cause if I had to go check your darkest night uptime with this many ruptures

I think I would faint

[half tartan]

Can we close the rogue discord please

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/tuning-shakeup-bm-and-aug-rise-new-no-1-arrives-in-week-5-raid-logs/

[balmy condor]

as one of the head moderators I can assure you wholeheartedly, you have my word that we will never close a channel or the discord purely because some people on the internet bitch about rogues being slightly undertuned

[main bridge]

can we stop with this tired, tired "joke"? it's not funny, it's just annoying

[hidden crown]

wHYSPYr the goat

[balmy condor]

Rogues are supposed to be edgy, not cringe

the paladins can keep their cringe

[pliant remnant]

nah keep it going

fuck 'em

[hidden crown]

Ret pally in the rogue server

[main bridge]

what

[hidden crown]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/565712661824798721/1044707781510443039/maxwell.gif

[grim swift]

cant look at my most recent log

xd

[hidden crown]

DOFLAMINGO!?!?

[grim swift]

yeah!

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-luffy-run-running-chase-gif-4773340

@balmy condor so when should I vanish?

[balmy condor]

every 3 min with your deathmark window

[hidden crown]

can I have your logs so I borrow?

[verbal granite]

What am I doing wrong when I stack up my netherprism on a turnip, pop the key and run out of dung until it starts and then reenter. My hunter friend dont loose prism stacks but I do? Do I have a wooden pc with too long loading screens so I actually dont get out in time?

[waxen oyster]

you have to be outside the instance when it hits 0

[verbal granite]

It seems I am that, but I might not be. Its quite close so might be my wooden pc thats too slow in the loading time

[grim swift]

id like to see some logs too

also how do i log my every run?

[waxen oyster]

dont zone into until the timer finishes idk

[hidden crown]

You need to first go to settings and find Network

and make sure "Advanced Combat Logging" is on

[grim swift]

ic

/combatlog when i want to use it?

[hidden crown]

you also need WoWlogs app

yes

[balmy condor]

!wcl

[prisma monolith]

Getting Started with Warcraftlogs https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341
Logging your combat is a very powerful tool, and the main way of finding mistakes and improving yourself. Logging your raid, mythic+, or even just when you hit a dummy can be great way to learn!
Here's some common things to look at for rogues:

Checking your resources/overcap: Table -> Resources -> Energy/Combo Points from the dropdown
Buff Uptime and trigger amount such as adr/envenom/symbols: Table -> Buffs
Checking casts: Timeline -> Casts (shows sequencing) or Table -> Casts (for cast overview)

[grim swift]

ah thanks

[hidden crown]

Which one are you?'

[balmy condor]

which one am I what

[balmy condor]

The first

[hidden crown]

I thought I screenshoted it but canceled it

I'll just look at yours and learn it from there

ty whispyr

[waxen oyster]

he has fans

[prime hull]

Our single target is pretty bad especially with deathstalker build in dungeons, I had a prot warrior beat me on bosses where i didnt have deathmark on pull (had it midway instead)

I wish they rebalanced our dmg to keep same overall but not make the ST a joke

[waxen oyster]

why do you care about st on pull

as long as you end fine its chill

[prime hull]

if i get 2 mins on pull i get a 2nd cd set off so my dps is better on the boss

[main bridge]

i think that's probably more of a skill issue on your part than an issue with the class/spec

[prime hull]

if its midway through the fight

[waxen oyster]

ngl if you care what your on pull damage is like

dont ever play sub

if you go into a boss without cds as sub

[hidden crown]

thats sadly a skill issue....unless your tank had mythic gear and you had nothing

[prime hull]

nah i think i can play the ST rotation of assa correctly haha

[hidden crown]

S1 😔

[prime hull]

didnt play it in s2

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[marsh fjord]

S1 doesnt count anymore

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/worldofwar-timeschange-change-garrosh-gif-13230689

[prime hull]

my 701 dk alt is doing more single target in dungeons than my rogue

[waxen oyster]

[main bridge]

impressive but that could be a screenshot of anyone's profile

[waxen oyster]

It's s3

[hidden crown]

its all in the Tier sets bro

DeathStalker is better in AoE at most

still decent ST

[fallow canopy]

Yeah thats me (cap)

[main bridge]

also me

[marsh fjord]

This is totally not me

[prime hull]

im not trying to show off or anything im just saying i know how to do the single target rotation of assa when trying to make a point about our boss dps in keys

[abstract steppe]

What? Pure ST if you can't pull trash onto a boss in M+ build is awful on sin if you're playing the standard bleed build.

[prime hull]

^^

yeah that was more my point

[marsh fjord]

When do you vanish on fatebound?

[prime hull]

if i have cds on pull and execute im still bottom by a significant portion

[prime hull]

right after sending kb during dm

[marsh fjord]

nope

[prime hull]

regardless m+ is deathstalker anyway

[abstract steppe]

If you mean the DS raid build on fights with adds its not as bad for sure. But its a huge pain point for the spec in high keys is the bad boss damage.

[marsh fjord]

You should have netherprism

so you vanish before DM

[prime hull]

i dont have one

[marsh fjord]

thats not you

fake rogue

confirmed

[prime hull]

723 lily

704 netherprism

lily is winning

[marsh fjord]

fake rogue

[hidden crown]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dog-face-gif-15852588031924953792

[prime hull]

yes this is my point

[waxen oyster]

I mean...

[prime hull]

if you dont have funnel on the boss

and some bosses you cant

[waxen oyster]

you do like 3.5

[prime hull]

you are HARD on the bottom

[waxen oyster]

its fine with your aoe

something has to give

[marsh fjord]

I mean ST is just dogshit bro

[abstract steppe]

Well, other classes are doing a lot of AOE and also reasonable ST (BM, FDK, even sub to a point though boss kill times matter quite a bit for them too with CDs)

[prime hull]

if my 701 dk can beat my 713 rogue in boss dps in keys

something is wrong

with a 684 weapon

my rogue has 723

[hidden crown]

Because DKs are busted

and ignoring half of the mechanics with riders

they dont care

[waxen oyster]

We do more aoe than fdk

so like

bad compare

XD

[hidden crown]

fr

[prime hull]

they arent a slouch either

[waxen oyster]

still behind

kill time is a bit of a bad argument since if boss ends shortly after a dm set

assa st is "ok"

[hidden crown]

the difference between a dk and rogue rn with Arakara is HUGE

[prime hull]

yes

but if i dont have dm on pull to do this

prot warr is beating me

xd

[waxen oyster]

you just dm late

in execute

and you do more

if i run into a prot war that can do like 4m ill be impressed

[hidden crown]

prot can at least do over 2mil

[waxen oyster]

every tank can this season

LOL

bad tank if he cant

[hidden crown]

ik so im confused

[waxen oyster]

me last season when i would pug priories for tome on pwar

and beat 90% of rets

on braunpike

demolish go brr

[hidden crown]

me back in S1 spamming Ara kara as DK

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-gif-23415706

*deaths advance

[waxen oyster]

Idk the dk in my guild

wrote essays every other day

complaining about DB

it was funny

[hidden crown]

Wait DB?

[waxen oyster]

bro was complaining about reaper mark resets

yeah

[hidden crown]

I mostly complain about getting stunned while mid sindragosa rotation lol

[waxen oyster]

ibf

[hidden crown]

me not keybinding it

https://tenor.com/view/british-cop-screaming-screaming-sad-gif-1879411192175791821

[waxen oyster]

idk why dk needs that

and ams

and lichborne

[hidden crown]

and antimagic zone

[waxen oyster]

ehh i was more listing avoid mechanics buttons

[hidden crown]

meanwhile warrior

[waxen oyster]

warrior damage is so stupid

[hidden crown]

more dmg

less defences

[waxen oyster]

5.2m on a heroic loomi

at 701

[hidden crown]

kek

good

hope its a fury warrior