assassination

[balmy condor]

You wanna cleave like a crazy lunatic? Okay but now you lose damage in big aoe

[thorn thorn]

Primal council was dominated by mm and boomie when it was current

[balmy condor]

That’s a lot more interesting

[oak tangle]

i agree, and i think it was handled poorly by bliz, I thought DF talent tree sin where we had to completely pick between ST and AOE was good (we kinda have that now with bleed build vs fb) the issue was classes like warrior / dh / ret that didnt need to swap talents and could kinda like how we use spatter now, do both at once

[royal lantern]

did a key today with our mage and asked him what even is letting them do so much ST dmg in keys

the answer? "yeha we bascially just play a full ST build and its a bit less aoe dmg, but doesnt matter really"

[balmy condor]

Opens routing in m+

[thorn thorn]

But during fated fdk and ret

[thorn thorn]

Shadow pilled asf

[royal lantern]

the fact that specs exists where the difference bettwen "raid talents" and "m+ talents" is none or 1-2 talent points is just insanely stupid

[balmy condor]

Like if every decision about your damage profile came with “if I want X I need to give up Y”, all of a sudden it’s “okay well in X dungeon it’s more aoe, but if we route differently then it’s a lot more prio”

[thorn thorn]

I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink I hate plink

[balmy condor]

And gg you made m+ more interesting than just running the same 5 specs into a gear check

But the moment you allow something to exist that just does everything all the time for free

It shatters

[royal lantern]

ye, and thats kinda what happend

[cunning needle]

Okay man you dont need to call out sub rogues

[balmy condor]

Blizzard does it constantly cause they don’t have a vision for what spec design is supposed to entail

They just kinda throw shit at a wall and if it works they copy it onto 15 other specs

[royal lantern]

im calling sub rogues out for pulling their 24/7 OMG SUB WILL BE SO BAD THIS TIER OMG OMG bullshit every single time like the giant drama queens they are

[oak tangle]

i think it's a case of they fucked up one or 2 classes already, (or that the baseline abilities are already too cooked for it) and now they know the community will not accept such drastic nerfs to them, they have to unfortunately bring the other classes to that level

[cunning needle]

Points to the fractilus chart (while ignoring the last two bosses)

[royal lantern]

i mean ye, wow class/spec and encounter desing is very often a big case of them reacting to recent stuff

instead of proper planning

[thorn thorn]

Fury getting nerfed cuz they deleted adds on ovinax and ansurek will never not be funny

[static glacier]

issue is this has always been in the game, fire and outlaw are the OGs though they have dialled back ignite aoe a lot now

can't forget the 3x OL meta in bfa

[feral mason]

I don’t even mean this in a negative way against lizzard but I genuinely want to know what the structure of the class team is for it to be such a mess

[royal lantern]

sometimes its kinda funny to watch how little stuff is planned ahead tbh

like when they "revamped vissuals for covenant abilitys" and Echoing was one of them, Echoing was even Mentioned by blizz during the patchnotes itself as an example, and then the entire ability got removed like 1month later

[static glacier]

shoutout the evoker dev, looks like an evoker too

[feral mason]

There’s no way these people arent either assigned to a bunch of other stuff or insanely spread thin

[balmy condor]

I honestly think it’s just not enough people to do things properly

[royal lantern]

not enough people, not enough resources + not enough time

[balmy condor]

When you have to push a patch every 8 weeks like clockwork it’s just push things over the finish line

[static glacier]

Its just that new expacs and general content takes a lot of work hours

ye

[feral mason]

I mean I guess class team only does stuff every 5-6 months now

They definitely turned down class update pace

[balmy condor]

Class team also does the weekly balancing

Like they’re not just sitting there making new talents 24/7

[static glacier]

I just wonder how long it takes em to fix bugs

[feral mason]

no of course

[royal lantern]

increased content release schedule does that

it IS kinda obvious by looking at it that its not really healthy for the game in some ways

but they see a positive player reaction from the smaller content drops every 8 weeks, so they will keep doing it until it actually gets a negative reaction

[static glacier]

once they're like this bug needs sorting

[feral mason]

But its not like balance changes are well researched, deliberately chosen changes that dont either break raid or m+ balancing

[static glacier]

tbh if they can just improve balancing a bit and fix bugs the game is genuinely golden

[feral mason]

idk they get paid for it, im sure they are at least good at their jobs, just sorry for the situation blizzard has seemingly created

[oak tangle]

i think there is far more people that are interested in the regular content drops, we're just generally part of a community that appreciates the raid / dungeon content more

[royal lantern]

sadly, its not even a blizz only problem, its a problem across the entire industry

[balmy condor]

I mean it’s corporate, god only knows how many syncs and meetings and data they have to present to get a buff or nerf through

[royal lantern]

push out stuff fast, no time for testing, need content NOW

[static glacier]

tbh overshooting balancing gets a horrible reaction so it makes sense there's beaureacracy

[feral mason]

Balance changes will just just AI output from WCL overall 95th percentile statistics in a year

layoffs pogchamp

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats also a big thing

people love to say that they want the game balanced, but if THEIR spec gets nerfed? Heaven is falling and Hell is open and they WILL be loud about it

it doesnt matter if it was a good choice or not

[balmy condor]

Like meeting comes up, someone suggests aura buffing X spec, “can’t do that, they’re already too strong on Y boss fight, should be a more direct ability tuning to help the pitfall in Z situation” so then it’s back to the drawing board about how much they need to buff something by and if that affects some other aspect and will that fuck m+

[feral mason]

honestly I wonder if they just sneaky nerf stuff sometimes

[balmy condor]

Like you can very easily just meeting-hell yourself into a loop

[feral mason]

Like who the fuck would notice if they just aura nerfed a spec by 1% without telling anyone

[royal lantern]

nah, cus thats easy to find out and will create extremely negative reactions

[feral mason]

outside of api probably catching it

[royal lantern]

source: i saw games that do that

and its never a secret

[thorn thorn]

The TC would catch it within hours

[oak tangle]

this. does my head in how we can be a good spec, and people rage because we aren't top, we were in DF and on balance there is 40 specs or something now, we've got 40 tiers till we deserve to be top again

[feral mason]

If the game data wasnt directly accessible I wonder how long it’d take

Not possible in WoW of course but idk

[thorn thorn]

Datamining would still unveal aura changes

[royal lantern]

"omg assa is unplayable i do low boss dmg"->proceeds to show a screenshot with them being #1 overall dmg or like 3% behind a frost dk

[thorn thorn]

Plus, people will go to extreme lengths

[feral mason]

assa unplayable because my brain requires absurd amounts of dopamine

[thorn thorn]

If a bunch of details and logs start randomly showing a 1% diffy someone is gonna notice

[feral mason]

[royal lantern]

not long, source: i saw games that do that aswell

if you do hidden changes, your players will just hate you

[balmy condor]

Everyone

[royal lantern]

cus they will just figure it out anyway

[feral mason]

outlaw took 2 years to figure out where crazy amounts of bf damage was goin

[royal lantern]

play destiny (dont, game is dead now) and you would know it

bungie LOVES doing hidden nerfs, and it always takes like 2hours before somebody will make a big post on social media with number comparisons

[feral mason]

But ye i agree on the players hating it thing

not good at all

[royal lantern]

and it just shatters all trust

[balmy condor]

That was also insanely hard to test tbf

[feral mason]

loved it during df s3 though

[marsh fjord]

if anyone thinks blizzard has any idea what they doing i always point them to how many times pyshic link is nerfed and buffed on shadow priest

fucking kek

[feral mason]

People looked at you like you belonged in a padded room when you talked about why you did less damage in everbloom first pull

[oak tangle]

dev team got told to rework a spec each tier to keep the game from becoming stale.... they found a loophole and just kept reworking spriest

[feral mason]

anyway sorry for crashing assa channel again with my rants, hope we get some cool stuff on alpha in coming weeks

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[royal lantern]

but hey, now we get a DH ranged spec with a CD burst window that can be extended

never saw that before right

:3

:3333333333333333333333333333

[feral mason]

That dh spec is going to be the craziest playrate spike and ensuing drop of all time

[marsh fjord]

How much does someone wanna bet with me that the apex talents that are coming are gonna be dog for some spec's and they just gonna ignore it and put 4 points somewhere else. and then they need to GIGA buff it. which will happen

[feral mason]

they are going to accidentally make the high movement hybrid range build that they were talking about meta and everyone will hate it

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, its gonna be giga busted for atleast 2 seasons and then they will make the burst cd a static timer instead of letting you extend it because they realise ONCE AGAIN that extending cd windows is a giant mistake

[oak tangle]

i'd be interested in it, from what i've seen it's kinda warlock esque

[marsh fjord]

you're interested in it because its something new

[feral mason]

The way i read it was there would be a mid range build and a hybrid range build with a lot of movement

[oak tangle]

yeah but i do like the build up to big hit stuff

[feral mason]

and they would try to make both playable?

which never happens sadly

[marsh fjord]

like kingsbane? oh wait

[oak tangle]

hopefully it isn't gonna be about moving to pick up the souls, i'm out if it's that

[feral mason]

No clue

just some blurb from an interview during gamescom

Alpha pretty likely to be this week aint it?

following weeks after gamescom is what they said

[marsh fjord]

Weeks in blizzard mind can be 10 weeks from now

I would not bet on something for the upcoming weeks

[feral mason]

Seems early regardless

[marsh fjord]

Game coming around feb/march right. everything seems so pushed to our throats at the moment it wouldnt surprised me

[feral mason]

Expansion being slated for february ye

[oak tangle]

depends, are they angling for a december release on midnight?

[feral mason]

no definitely not

[marsh fjord]

No. q1 2026

[feral mason]

They said housing before the end of the year

So midnight definitely isnt in 2025

[marsh fjord]

Yeah housing is in 12,07

[feral mason]

Beyond that not much confirmed

[balmy condor]

midnight is like q2 I assume

[marsh fjord]

I doubt it

Everything is so fucking pushed bro

[coral ibex]

midnight has to be delivered by 6/30/26 but i would bet money on a march release

[feral mason]

naww we aint getting 8 month season

[marsh fjord]

look at this fucking patch

[feral mason]

this patch was a midnight patch pushed forward

[royal lantern]

there is always prepatch stuff + remix is comming

[feral mason]

cant tell me otherwise

[marsh fjord]

can you tell im fed up about blizzard at the moment

its like an trigger

[feral mason]

remix ends in january, might honestly be the exact prepatch date

[coral ibex]

yes

february prepatch, march release

maybe earlier

[feral mason]

All i can say

These tier set appearances seemed real rushed on almost every class

The next ones better be the delayed ones from harranir patch with more polish

[marsh fjord]

everything is rushed thats why there are over 100 bugs on classes together all alone

[oak tangle]

tier sets from DF looked like shadowlands content

[royal lantern]

what

[marsh fjord]

Why is nobody asking like those developers on like an gamescon about how buggy the patch is.

[royal lantern]

tf do you think would happen?

[feral mason]

What good would that do lmao

[oak tangle]

i just remember seeing alot of the mog options that came out in DF patches, and they had the maw / skull / helm of domination kinda look to them

[royal lantern]

you would look like an idiot and get no answer

[feral mason]

“Sorry your bosses give you bullshit deadlines but why dont you work harder?”

[marsh fjord]

Because i fucking wanna know why its so fucking rushed?????

[royal lantern]

what

its dragon themed

aka dragon skulls and stuff lol

and the first tier was literally all raid themed

and 2nd tier had a loose Vanilla Blackwing Lair inspiration

[feral mason]

Honestly every set up till this one has had hits and missed

Not super themed but its been okay

Just this tier is a full miss on every front

maybe an okay one somewhere but

[marsh fjord]

Last tier was also an miss

Lets put everyone an gamble tierset and be done with it

gg

5 minutes work boys

pack it up

[feral mason]

im talking about every single class

[marsh fjord]

yeah me to

because the tiersets were all the same

[feral mason]

This conversation is about appearances

[marsh fjord]

now its not anymore

[feral mason]

Go hit a bag in the gym or smth you’re just angry at everythin

[marsh fjord]

I mean if we talking appreance wise, last tier was also an miss imo

nah im good 😄

is just blizzard

For its not for every class i agree

Warlocks has always have good sets

Been a while that rogue had a good one

shadowlands everything was the same tho

wasnt it like

mail/plate/cloth/leather

[oak tangle]

maybe it's cause i never played the older content, but it was this set in particular that reminded me of SL

[marsh fjord]

The daggers from the first raid in DF are cool tho

[oak tangle]

war within has been great for daggers

imo

[marsh fjord]

yeah hasnt been to bad

[oak tangle]

you're talking the terros shards?

[marsh fjord]

yeah

i dont have them but when midnight comes

im gonna farm them

[oak tangle]

on the hunt for all my gear to be glowing

the dh tier gloves and boots probs go well with them

[marsh fjord]

I think that's also kinda dumb. why is the last expansion not legacy yet?

is that because of mount farms?

[oak tangle]

people want their prestige i guess? idk i'd have thought anyone that got the mount didn't care, and those that want them care to do it

[marsh fjord]

i geuss y

[oak tangle]

like in legion remix, i dont think anyone woulda cared if the unlocked mage tower gear

i woulda played it if they did

i started playing wow in the BFA prepatch, so was only able to get the dh glaives

[feral mason]

Legacy is always 2 xpacs behind

just how it works idk

[oak tangle]

it could be a finance thing

make the previous content unsoloable to get people to buy new content

[cyan lily]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[coral ibex]

hmm, maybe not the log to look at for lorrgs

[static glacier]

yoooooo

[keen spruce]

just build more haste

https://tenor.com/view/guy-unfunny-dent-head-gif-20625569

[marsh fjord]

bro is that a real log?

[coral ibex]

rank 1 heroic plexus log

[keen spruce]

i mean it's not a real log as in it didn't happen in game no

[coral ibex]

i was like uhhh what

[keen spruce]

but it's real as in it was uploaded

[coral ibex]

wild how they dont get rid of it immediately

[runic hinge]

Slow

[marsh fjord]

so that guy didnt actually had 3 kingsbane in 10 seconds?

[keen spruce]

ofc not

[marsh fjord]

im confused what the helly

[keen spruce]

[marsh fjord]

bro you never know with how buggy everything is

[keen spruce]

it's just a modified log

[marsh fjord]

lol

[coral ibex]

no he did not cast 47 envenoms in 7 seconds

[static glacier]

how tf does he not have a r1

or did it get removed already

[neat rain]

Quick any tips on soul hunters aside from maintain bleeds on bosses at all times? Best places to DM should be before intermissions right?

[knotty vapor]

been trying to kill saladbar for 2 weeks, finally did it

IT AINT MUCH BUT ITS MINE

that boss is a nightmare to pug i tells ya

[astral current]

DM on opener then DM somewhere around 2:35-2:40

[astral current]

[astral current]

would like to see your log to be fair

[knotty vapor]

I'd only seen p4 like 4 times i think

so I defs whiffed a bit in that phase

[knotty vapor]

unsure of how to link a specific log, so ima just try this and u tell me if it works https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tqw3WpjyGZJhn1mL?fight=7&type=damage-done&source=4

it also isn't mine so idk how accurate it is

dude who uploaded was on the other platform

he said that might have affected accuracy

but idk how that shit works

I think I missed a kingsbane after platform before burn phase too

[unborn rain]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[astral current]

yeah that works

[astral current]

nah logs are correct even despite being on dif platforms, only details is bugged sometimes

[knotty vapor]

ah okay good to know

i was a shaky mess by the end so I probably messed up quite a bit

[astral current]

sent you lil explanation in dm

[knotty vapor]

oh cool ty

[quiet oriole]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8eALMTSFzsU9Doc8jNGno

i feel like sim for delv belt is wrong idk

[main bridge]

why do you feel that way?

[trail dust]

How did they not fix assa yet, zzz

[main bridge]

welcome to WoW it has many bugs

[severe silo]

!mistakes

[astral current]

check the "always use" for blasphemite

[runic hinge]

My whole life

[fierce sinew]

On mythic loomithar, our sin rogue says he can't swap to the webs. Is this legit?

[runic hinge]

Yeah I mean it’s pretty bad target swapping spec

He could do almost 0 damage in 5 seconds if you want

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[runic hinge]

This was for rik reverb but kinda the same idea

[indigo totem]

Are coin flips just triggering seal fate? I'm not mad at it, the sudden demise thing bugs me more, it works in L1 delves, yet not at all in open world

[runic hinge]

But tbh half of that doesn’t apply either cause like swapping takes time and you just don’t have it really

[fierce sinew]

Cool ty for the info

[runic hinge]

Yeah positive but with fb rn coin flips critting giving combo points

[waxen oyster]

melee doing webs in general

is kind of poop

ele out here practically soloing

[indigo totem]

It's a feature 🤣

[rotund oak]

[quiet oriole]

The fact that bis mythic belt isn't simming better then delv belt even fully upgraded

[coral ibex]

correct

assa will do tank damage to unstacked adds

regardless of swapping

swapping just means less boss damage

[quiet oriole]

Very much so. If you really need damage to it cause your casters are shit he can try going sub for it. But you have other issues if you need a rogue to spec swap

[amber brook]

Sims higher for me

[slim pebble]

I think RL’s asking if things hurt their rogues dps is against the rules

[balmy condor]

well in this case it's cause you don't have any crit

the disc belt is full crit

and you got a ton of mast, but no crit

so your comparing to a higher ilvl, but it's a mast heavy belt

so it's just worse

[jolly stirrup]

Do we really use Crit Jewel everywhere? I thought due to Blasphemit we need every Colour, or does the Crit outweigh it

[waxen oyster]

follow your sim

[jolly stirrup]

I know that sims can be a bit tricky and misleading

[main bridge]

you can always ask questions if you're confused

[waxen oyster]

What

I just equip what robot says

i dont think

[jolly stirrup]

Well that's what I did

[jolly stirrup]

The printers will love you when they fight back

[main bridge]

then you have your answer

sims tell you what is best for your character

[waxen oyster]

i havent even simmed since wednesday

i literally only sim for vault

maybe i break 5.2 on reset

[jolly stirrup]

Our guild played every raid so far, we had 0 Antenna drops, this Trinket is a myth

[main bridge]

same for mine

[jolly stirrup]

It's insane

[main bridge]

we've also only seen leather boots once

[waxen oyster]

im low on prio for it

[jolly stirrup]

Same, always chain after

[waxen oyster]

think we saw one myth antenna

[main bridge]

we got plate boots multiple times and only two plate users

[jolly stirrup]

First week leather, then never to be seen again

[waxen oyster]

no way im using heroic antenna

[jolly stirrup]

I got my boots in NHC from a random group

[jolly stirrup]

At this point I'll take a chanpion antenna

Its a 150k dps increase

[jolly stirrup]

Ok nvm

We also never had Netherprism drop

[waxen oyster]

i've gotten 3/4 of the guilds drops

from lootcouncil

bit weird

[jolly stirrup]

Have you cleared Myth raid fully?

[coral ibex]

hey fuck you

wish i had a hero+ prism

704 gang

[jolly stirrup]

How do we use Prism btw? With DM only? Or sometimes in between as well?

Idk how it works exactly

[coral ibex]

macro to vanish for fatebound, macro to dm for deathstalker

[keen spruce]

[jolly stirrup]

Got it thanks

[waxen oyster]

no

[jolly stirrup]

Getting mixes signals here

[waxen oyster]

idk our lootcouncil just gave me the heroic one our last hc as a guild

then i got first mythic one to drop too

[coral ibex]

he wasnt saying no to my macro message

he was saying no to have you cleared the myth raid fully

[waxen oyster]

i send mine manual

[jolly stirrup]

Ahhh

People not using the reply function

[waxen oyster]

i need aforge

[coral ibex]

sure, but you'd still only ever send during DM or vanish

[waxen oyster]

realll

[jolly stirrup]

Have that in Champ 8/8 no luck as well

[waxen oyster]

i dont have shit macroed as sub yet i dont miss a global

so yes im playing piano

[coral ibex]

i have a 704 forge but 704 prism beats it for a 2m

[waxen oyster]

hitting pot trinket

etc

well i have maghar macroed to shb

[jolly stirrup]

How good is Pacemaker?

[rotund oak]

very

[waxen oyster]

its myth so still good

[coral ibex]

best passive trinket that isnt antenna tbh

[jolly stirrup]

I have HC dawnbreaker Trinket

[rotund oak]

pacemaker prolly better

even on heroic

[jolly stirrup]

Damn I traded one away for 75k gold

[runic hinge]

I have a myth soleah's was the only thing useable from first vault

[rotund oak]

but u need to sim

[jolly stirrup]

Will sim tonight

Time to run Floodgate if better

[waxen oyster]

i have done

2 floodgates

[rotund oak]

im not aware of your gear in general but pacemaker should be better yes

[jolly stirrup]

Tbf floodgate was my least favorite dungeon when I started playing, its slowly growing to be one of my fav idk

[waxen oyster]

i just play for vault

[jolly stirrup]

But fuck the 3rd boss fr

[rotund oak]

floodgate has some cringe pulls that give pugs nightmares

[waxen oyster]

and db/gambit are sub 20 min keys

[rotund oak]

like the double/triple shreddation packs

its cringe af

[waxen oyster]

yeah

i insta sends cds

[jolly stirrup]

I died so many times there

[waxen oyster]

when they gather

to not get clapped

[rotund oak]

and the packs afte rthat u need to mass stop

i vanish to stop them

and press blind

and stun and kick

coz ppl dont have interrupts on their bars

sitll doing tank dmg

[jolly stirrup]

Pretty much this, weapon enchant changed

[rotund oak]

depths for m+ sounds sus

radiant power should win

[jolly stirrup]

Nono I have

Whats it called

Councils Guile now for raid, but I don't change enchants, I am not rich

[rotund oak]

yeah that would explain much

if u raid u ant minmax for m+ without a 2nd pair of wpns

u also need to craft a belt

waist*

[jolly stirrup]

Do people really do this

[rotund oak]

[jolly stirrup]

Had that before, just changed recently to Council

Idk why that sim says Depths

[rotund oak]

obviously

[rotund oak]

thats what i was wondering in the first place

[jolly stirrup]

Also why Blizzard, only 0.4% drop chance for dagger in db

Also also, question: for hard Mode, do only the loot table from gambit and streets apply?

[rotund oak]

this sim is labeled for plexus+lumi HC u sure uve simmed dslice?

[jolly stirrup]

Noo this sim is for raid

Idk its a bit off, also wasn't done by me

[rotund oak]

[jolly stirrup]

Not the facepalm

[balmy condor]

correct

[jolly stirrup]

I see. So ideally, I would need to pray for neck

[balmy condor]

I mean they're all myth items

they're all good

[golden loom]

I am still yet to complete a hardmode

[balmy condor]

same

[golden loom]

last week I tried to pug it and I kid you not, our havoc dh died to the first pack before we even killed 1 mob

[jolly stirrup]

Tbf a friend of mine had the same, but the hitbox was bugged, he was outside the shown aoe, but still died due to higher/lower ground

[golden loom]

well the dh said he lagged

[jolly stirrup]

The replay was hilarious

[jolly stirrup]

[golden loom]

then the mage in the group was like "yo do you guys wanna do it for hero track items"

like bro we didnt even kill 1 mob the fuck you mean

[jade abyss]

The delve belt is still bis? Or its a sim thing?

[runic hinge]

sim thing

[jolly stirrup]

Delve belt will be nerfed tho right?

[runic hinge]

yeah

[vale fox]

does anyone know what addon gives this style of unit frames

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-cigarettes-the-orville-bortus-500-cigarettes-gif-12658448946227274013

probably elvui + masque

[vale fox]

he does slam cigs while doing 18s

its crazy lmao

[spare kayak]

Try easy frames

[runic hinge]

Neeed that

[vale fox]

it's this one

thanks

[merry sonnet]

Hello, new to assa, i have lots of trinkets and dont know what is best, all hero track so 710. I'm doing mainly m+ but lack single traget dps. I have netherprim, araz, lily, ara kara, which combo is best?

[jolly stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

No but I also need to learn to sim more. Sim will always tell you what's best

[balmy condor]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simulate-gif-8199108223823847654

[jolly stirrup]

Our class in M+ always lacks ST damage

[red sonnet]

realz thinks it's ok

nobody plays rogue = no problems of rogue exists

[balmy condor]

realz said that?

[red sonnet]

everyone in CN rogue forum points that realz is the first one to take this responsibility

for example

[waxen oyster]

class?

[balmy condor]

so CN rogue forum knows that he's working on rogue?

[past marten]

What does it matter what people say?

[waxen oyster]

meanwhile sub

[normal mist]

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[past marten]

If realz didn't say it, it's all conjecture

[balmy condor]

cause like

we don't even know what he does these days

we got zero clue who's doin rogue stuff

so if the CN rogue forum knows

that would be interesting

[waxen oyster]

no one probably

[balmy condor]

how do they know

[past marten]

The mage dev during his lunch break once a month

Between his 19th rework

[normal mist]

Whispyr I need you to tell me you're proud of me, I cleared dimensius finally

[balmy condor]

grats!

[balmy condor]

big mount

[normal mist]

Server ranks

[balmy condor]

hell yeh

[normal mist]

[red sonnet]

that's not who is currently; CN rogues points that ALL the failure adjustment and design were IN REALZ ERA and countinues today

ROME FINISHED IN ONE DAY AND ROGUES FAILURE ARE THE SAME

[balmy condor]

okay well idk what that means, but realz did the amirdrassil rework and we had a bunch of single target that season

and then we don't know who did rogue stuff

[waxen oyster]

i mean crackshot outlaw was positively received

[balmy condor]

so

[waxen oyster]

and probably the best rework that spec got

[balmy condor]

amirdrassil rework was very good yes

[waxen oyster]

class hasnt really gotten changed since hasnt it

besides number tuning

and outlaw having a haste tax now

[balmy condor]

ER got reworked

twist the knife got reworked

[waxen oyster]

yeah im on the fence about ER

but ttk rework net positive

[balmy condor]

they also changed all the stealth stuff to 6 seconds

and made it work with subterfuge

MA used to be 3

[waxen oyster]

yeah pretty sure sin

got no negative changes

[balmy condor]

amirdrassil to now has been an incredible time for assa yeah

[jolly stirrup]

-# Who is realz

[balmy condor]

blizzard dev that did the 10.2 rework for rogues

[normal mist]

Arch enemy of fakez

[waxen oyster]

amirdrassil made sin a relevant m+ spec

[balmy condor]

and then people were super weird

[waxen oyster]

if you were playing sin in keys prior

kind of troll

[balmy condor]

and blamed him for everything bad that has ever happened

[jolly stirrup]

Do we love or hate him

[balmy condor]

and so he stopped coming around

[normal mist]

Love

[balmy condor]

I mean depends who you ask I guess

[normal mist]

Definitely

[jolly stirrup]

Well

Do YOU love or hate him

[past marten]

For real though, I stubbed my toe earlier and can only blame realz for it

[balmy condor]

his work was very well received and he's a very sweet guy

[waxen oyster]

i mean 90% of sin m+ andys

wouldnt be able to play this spec

without the amir rework

[past marten]

And the economic situation rn is probably also his making

[waxen oyster]

IC carries so many bad players

who cant multidot

[jolly stirrup]

I see

[balmy condor]

if you ask people who have no clue how a game development team works, they probably hate the guy

[waxen oyster]

also spatter

[balmy condor]

because everything bad that has ever happened is also his fault

[waxen oyster]

caustic spatter is like

[balmy condor]

including the tier set, which the class team doesn't do

[waxen oyster]

the strongest single point talent sin has had

[golden loom]

not 1 combat dfrop start of gambit pog

[waxen oyster]

in possibly forever?

idk name one more influential talent

[balmy condor]

poison bomb legion

but yeh

[waxen oyster]

ok

dont speak the devils name

[balmy condor]

I guess you can count agonizing poison

[waxen oyster]

[balmy condor]

YOU ASKED

[waxen oyster]

i should have specified

good

anytime who thinks agonizing poison was a good talent

deserves their head examined

[jolly stirrup]

Anytime

[waxen oyster]

i meant you aint wrong but holy shit

ptsd ass talents

[balmy condor]

I blame realz for agonizing poison for sure (pretty sure he was a hearthstone dev during legion)

[runic hinge]

We need more poisons

[waxen oyster]

wasnt sephuz the rogue dev

of legion

[runic hinge]

Even more and more

[waxen oyster]

he made greenskin's iirc

[balmy condor]

sephuz is a systems dev

he made a lot of legendaries

[waxen oyster]

yeah i remmeber reading

[balmy condor]

he's back btw, came back to the diablo team where he started his journey at blizzard

[red sonnet]

i just wonder: if REALZ ERA did all good, why rogue's population drops so fast and just higher than the evokers

[waxen oyster]

greenskins wickers was his brainchild

and it became outlaw's identity

forever

[balmy condor]

rogue's population has always been shit

[runic hinge]

Rogue population seems better than it used to be to me. I feel like I see more than I used to

[waxen oyster]

gonna be honest

the only time rogue population is high

is low level pvp

[red sonnet]

sometime before it more than priest and monk

[waxen oyster]

where you can kill someone

in 1 stun

with little skill

[red sonnet]

but today just behind

[balmy condor]

I mean we can go check, hold on

[waxen oyster]

it has never been ahead of priest

monk maybe

[red sonnet]

CN retail data today

all lvl 80 characters number

[waxen oyster]

monk isnt ahead of priest

it never has

[runic hinge]

Probably looks the same all the way to wrath tbh

Legion might have taken some rogues to dh

[waxen oyster]

monk population is pretty terrible

for a 3 role class

either way

most players in this game dont even engage in group content

they quest maybe do lfr sometime

[runic hinge]

he’s typing forever

[waxen oyster]

Only time i heard rogue pop semi ok

[jolly stirrup]

BRACE

[waxen oyster]

is class vanilla

when people just go to overtuned dps specs

and classic is a solved game

so you know whats good already

[runic hinge]

I can’t wait to raid tomorrow

[golden loom]

problem in vanilla is you are a budget warrior

[waxen oyster]

yeah exactly

[runic hinge]

Warrior just too op in vanilla

[waxen oyster]

Idk classic andies talk about how easy retail is

[runic hinge]

They shoulda balanced it

[golden loom]

its both op and fun cause its a lvl 80 spec in a lvl 60 game

[waxen oyster]

and proceed to be a grey gunther on logs

[balmy condor]

during season 2 of dragonflight, rogue added up to 3.9% of the keys in +10's

during s3 that went up to 4.2%

during s4 it dropped to 2.5% (yikes)

during s1 TWW it was 3.8%

during s2 TWW it was 3.1%

during s3 so far it's back to 3.8%

I mean idk

even with rogue hero talents being legit the worst in the game

[waxen oyster]

peak population was probably bfa

[balmy condor]

seems pretty fine

[waxen oyster]

when shroud became "meta"

[golden loom]

I assume rogue is pretty popular in mop atm cause its op in raid and fun in pvp

[waxen oyster]

well bfa s1 and 2

s4 was an abomination where your fire mage cried if you didnt give him a sloppy between packs

and a manicure

[waxen oyster]

depends if mop classic starts in s12 or 14

[golden loom]

openend a random assa log on mop and lmao the cast timeline looks hilarious

[waxen oyster]

iirc mop pvp was wizard meta

[golden loom]

current raid rankings

[waxen oyster]

yeah

[balmy condor]

5% in DF season 1, s4 of sl, 4.1% in s3 SL, 4.7% in s2, 4.5% in s1

6.1% in BFA s4, 7.8% in s3, 8.7% in s2 during triple rogue meta

[waxen oyster]

so not siege balance ig

[balmy condor]

[golden loom]

they also nerfed sub rogue

[waxen oyster]

cuz mop lock

8.7 is low imo

for outlaw's most disgusting season

[waxen oyster]

wake me up when tot release

[balmy condor]

even during peak of rogue meta with the triple rogue keys, there was more druids, demon hunters, priests, paladins, roughly equal to monks

[ancient ingot]

hi guys, can i ask, i change belt but i cant make socket on him, why? i have only 6 gems now

[waxen oyster]

t14 isnt a real tier

yeah reaping season was triple outlaw

or double outlaw and monk

[golden loom]

I was planning on playing mop but also theres just so much retail to be played

[waxen oyster]

or everyone's most complained about rogue tier

tos

[golden loom]

and I am having a blast this season just playing rogue dh warrior so idk

[waxen oyster]

where arms was still more dps

[merry sonnet]

Is dungeon slice accurate on assa?

[waxen oyster]

yeah problem is if i play with classic mains

i want to do inappropriate things

like say funny stuff

[cunning needle]

yes

[waxen oyster]

alot of classic mains are the reason

warning labels exist

[golden loom]

depends on personal experience probably

cause I've only played hc and that shit was sweaty

[waxen oyster]

yeah its chill with friends

dont get me wrong

[subtle tundra]

only number ever matters

[waxen oyster]

but the average player

[subtle tundra]

look at current bm

[waxen oyster]

my favorite part is when people say they like the design of a spec

when its op

anyone who thinks tww s2 unholy

was good design

needs to get

[cunning needle]

what about when people say they like the design of the spec when its not OP

[waxen oyster]

taken out back

[pastel grotto]

Hey everyone, been playing assa for a while. I’ve noticed that most of the time my DPS is subpar in m+ dungeons. Yeah my gear is not great but I just want to make sure that I’m playing more or less optimally. Here’s the log: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XT7thrK3pMvkmRfy

Not all but many deaths were avoidable, but still what do you think? Is it normal that arcane mage outdamaged me that severely? I’ll appreciate any input

[waxen oyster]

very rare

[golden loom]

theres not even a roguein either of these runs

[cunning needle]

brother where is the rogue

[pastel grotto]

Whoops

[cunning needle]

also also its a low key and you have low gear

things kinda

[pastel grotto]

Gimme a sec

[cunning needle]

dont matter

and its hard to judge

because its a low key

[red schooner]

Waiting on the follower dungeon logs

[pastel grotto]

Yeah but I feel that I’m to blame for not making the key on take due to low DPS

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BnYKQzLHXDVw1fpM?fight=last does it work now?

[cunning needle]

okay

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[cunning needle]

go read opener

you didnt have DM

wait maybe you did on the last moment

[waxen oyster]

you need to read an entire guide

1% dsm damage....

[pastel grotto]

I read it multiple times I swear

[cunning needle]

why are you opening with FoK

[pastel grotto]

Gotta read it again then I guess. What is dsm tho?

[cunning needle]

deathstalkers mark

[pastel grotto]

It’s weird that it’s so low. I remember keeping track of it and spamming envenom after dots

[pastel grotto]

I’m using it for combo points on a large pack, is this wrong?

[cunning needle]

yeah i dunno, i dont play sin enough to be able to properly review

but like

you're doing a lot of the basics wrong

[pure moth]

yes, you need to start with ambush to get your mark up.

[cunning needle]

yeah you're playing without an entire hero talent tree

if you dotn have it up

[pure moth]

just getting mark up, will increase your damage

[pastel grotto]

Yeah I usually press ambush first. I see where it’s in the log, I guess I brainfarted as it doesn’t make sense to FoK first

[pure moth]

You mutilate too much. Spatter lasts 10 seconds. you mutilate to refresh spatter

which explains your low spatter damage

[pastel grotto]

Yes, that’s a bad habit of mine that I try to avoid

[cunning needle]

im just looking at random bits

and yeah that looks cursed

the famed 10 combo point envenom

[pastel grotto]

You mean I grossly overcapped?

[cunning needle]

youre probably also missing rupture uptime on stuff

yes

very much so

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[cunning needle]

get a WA and track your combo points better

[pure moth]

yeah just seems like your hitting whatever buttons to do damage but not the right ones to optimize.

[pastel grotto]

I have WA very similar to whispyr’s

[pastel grotto]

Yeah but at the same time my logic is better to press something than to stop and think which contributes to throwing random buttons here and there

Like mutilate spam

[cunning needle]

yes and no

honestly

go hit dummies

and build up muscle memory

on when to press what

aka keeping up uptime on rupture

pressing enenom

caustic splatter

etc

[pastel grotto]

U mean I’m dropping it frequently?

[cunning needle]

duno

hard to tell

but im gonna assume

you dont have 5 up

[pastel grotto]

I see, thanks guys for the input. Back to the lab I guess

Thanks for the reality check

[cunning needle]

np

end of the day

just get your basics down

read the guide

read the opener

[young reef]

brought a rogue to my +12 key...

[deep breach]

That caustic spatter dmg 🙁

[young reef]

yea i helped him out after lol

[red sonnet]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=45056095
if you guys have a tranlator tool

this is CN forum NGA most popular post of rogue

[burnt timber]

really?

[red sonnet]

probably

in main fraction

[pure moth]

the other thing i noticed is that you only had 9 Deathmark casts. Make sure once your bleeds are rolling you use deathmark. missing major cd will significantly hurt you.

[red sonnet]

Throughout patch 11, I’ve encountered several times at the low M+ levels where rogues would taunt the tank, pull a train of mobs, and then vanish. Why don’t other classes do this? With PUG tanks, you just follow their pace, and other classes seem to manage fine by default—except rogues. You might say it’s because of the rogue’s class design or whatever, but as a keyholder, I don’t care about the excuses. All I know is that grouping with rogues often leads to drama. Better to avoid the hassle altogether—can’t deal with it, so I’ll just steer clear.High-end rogues can keep doing their thing, but low-end ones? Forget it. Unless I’m pushing high keys, I won’t group with rogues, no matter their score or gear level.

grok translated

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=44977985
there's another one

[sharp viper]

[young reef]

damn ai translation is actually pretty good for this lol

google translate is like i was playing the branch bird in the quagmire and the tank runs a train

[red sonnet]

the CN forum NGA currently

most M+ maniac user are in an anti-assassination rouge movement

even this movement spreads to all specs of rouge - not the same playstyle, but forget it

and lots of KoL players of other classes are leading this movement

[cerulean nest]

why?

[red sonnet]

especially havoc player 止戈流

it trends to be organized cyberbully there

but i wanna say, rogue KoL yeluo also did a lot before: his quick temper also pissed a lot of elite players of CN

that makes most CN-retail community have an anti-yeluo emotion in the dark side

at this time, the anti-yeluo emotion becomes anti-rogue

[young reef]

bro was begging for a restealth i bet

[sharp viper]

how dare he

it's interesting to hear about some chinese drama, I almost never hear anything from that big region

[red sonnet]

yep

if there was class discrimination in worldwide - it must be overdose in CN

[cunning needle]

probably aren't enough rogues playing on NA/EU servers for any hatred to gain traction

[golden loom]

atleast I havent seen anti rogue weakauras

like the anti ret weakauras

[red sonnet]

my rogue colleagues are sad of LFG approval rates

especially 15+

[golden loom]

I mean thats just dps life

[young reef]

job application simulator

idk if i was that serious about pushing id be looking into a long term group

[red sonnet]

my longest refusal streak speads from 1pm to 9pm

[golden loom]

why not just push your own key at that point

[cunning needle]

brother at that point, surely you use your own key

[red sonnet]

i always push my key here

but the applies becames jokes at the end

[golden loom]

well yeah I would never spend 8 hours in lfg i can tell you that for free

[red sonnet]

Too many people follow the meta, leading to many players having ratings that don’t match their actual skill, while rogues themselves lack enough opportunities, whether applying to others’ groups or listing their own keys.

[royal hazel]

i wish there was a new pin

[red sonnet]

the organized cyberbully keeps spreading and in CN-retail rogues are in a very dangerous position now.

[golden loom]

well idk find a group to play with at that point

[red sonnet]

let me translate some words from 止戈流

[sharp viper]

didnt know such a thing exists, what does it do?

[red sonnet]

Layer 19 AKA Subtlety is capped, huh? crying-laughing emoji Before the servers went live, everyone was hyping up Assassination like crazy. Then when it came to running dungeons, people started figuring out how to deal with Assassination rogues not being able to reset combat and pull trains of mobs. In the end, they realized the best solution was just to optimize for Subtlety instead.

[golden loom]

[sharp viper]

[feral mason]

its not real

i looked

[golden loom]

kek

[static glacier]

Idk, I find them interchangeable for all the keys I’ve done (up to 15, I’m not a pusher)

Sin does higher overall, sub has better boss dmg and better cds

Maybe I’m just better at sin than sub though, but I’m fairly sure I’m playing key sub well, it’s still winning overall convincingly

[red sonnet]

few players of rogue - less justice for rogue

that's real shit

[static glacier]

Easier explanation is all of the dev time is focused on getting midnight ready for release

So live takes a bit of a backseat

[red sonnet]

maybe

but the situation of me and cn rogues are terribly bad

lvl

[worldly bridge]

hey is there any easy way to copy pasta MRT reminders from someone else ? (aka Whispyr vid from araz MM)

[cunning needle]

just go to lorgs

and copy from there

[worldly bridge]

wait a min there is an export function on lorgs?

[cunning needle]

yes

[worldly bridge]

omg thx ❤️

[cunning needle]

no wokkas

gl

[prime hull]

!fok

[prisma monolith]

Fok Conditions Post-Buff
Fan of Knives as a generator to replace ambush/mutilate:

• Baseline 3+ targets, -1 if talented into momentum of despair and thrown precision, +1 if talented into vicious venoms, +1 if talented into blindside. (Generally 5 with raid build, 3 with Bleed m+, 2 with Hybrid m+)
  Fan of Knives with Clear the Witnesses Up:
• Baseline 2+ targets, -1 if lingering darkness is up or you aren't talented into vicious venoms. With Vicious Venoms casting during lingering darkness is dps neutral.
  Fan of Knives with Darkest Night Up:
• Only on 2+ targets, or without Vicious Venoms talented. This is also a very very minor optimization

The most important to remember is the generator rules, clear the witnesses and darkest night optimizations can be effectively ignored as they are not meaningful DPS improvements

[dense cedar]

what's this for?

[cunning needle]

read up 4 messages

[dense cedar]

I didn't even know this was a thing

til

[peak pagoda]

Same

[white tide]

hey guys, i got a question about the Jastor Diamond. It seems like no matter which rings i get, the sims are telling me to always take the jastor diamond. When do i replace it?

got these rings here

[scarlet orbit]

There is a pin about it. The ring sometimes just doesnt work so you play with a random 684 ring. So its a bit of a personal choice if you replaces it sooner but for me also 2 max rings just simmed better

[jolly stirrup]

#assassination message

[oak tangle]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[white tide]

yeah ive seen that, and i looked through all our logs, and i didnt see any pull where the ring didnt work. hmm.

[scarlet orbit]

Did you look at the right buff

[white tide]

isnt it "I did that" ?

[scarlet orbit]

yes

[orchid pewter]

!tott

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[radiant aspen]

!tricks

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[radiant aspen]

!trics macro

!tricks macro

[prisma monolith]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[normal mist]

You'll eventually understand

That what you need is right there

[cunning needle]

brother

are you okay

[ebon steppe]

Assa is a joke rn

And in m+, sub is just another fdk but weaker

Man this game is tough

To enjoy right now

[red schooner]

I'm chilling on assa, its pretty alright

[normal mist]

Yeah assa pretty chill

[sly spoke]

it really is

mass reroll sub shut down the discord

[midnight scroll]

i heard going on a strike works for some classes

[solar wyvern]

Fret not young ones

Sub has been in the spotlight for far too long (<2 days)

4% buff and 70% to mutilate and ambush is on the way

And for funsies, dsm and all related effects damage increased by 60% (sub got this and were all about equality or somethjng)

[radiant aspen]

nice

[indigo mulch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[gray raven]

Is that a real thing?

[marsh fjord]

No

Who knows what happens

[gray raven]

Feels like nothing lol. It’s been 3 weeks.

[red sonnet]

will never join a squad on LFG now T^T

[lost nexus]

Guys... Why did they remove Tevin's Ultimate Concoction? I found it was a useful talent when going for certain poisons

[amber brook]

What does that mean

[shy heron]

Never heard of it in my entire life

[acoustic roost]

AI

[pure moth]

Pretty sure this is just in hearthstone.

[lost nexus]

It would be great if Blizzard returned to an older patch with Merlow's Disgusting Ooze Knives

As a final row talent, I found it was very satisfying

I always enjoyed how it changed the rotation completely, worked well in single target and AoE

[shy heron]

This guy just comes in here and talks nonsense. Chatgpt looking ass

It's one thing to try and poison generative AI as a community but one person doing it just comes off as mental illness

[solar wyvern]

Shitpost, its what they did for assa last patch

[ebon steppe]

I just hate those ai shit

[unborn rain]

is the dear realz poster back?

[ebon steppe]

is the dear realz poster back?

[red sonnet]

bois, tonight LFG, i send 272 registers and 0 approval

LOL

[royal lantern]

m+ mfs will do literally everything except trying to find other people to play with so they dont need to pug

[severe meadow]

Wanna play together? 👉👈

[red sonnet]

cyberbully rogues are costless

in cn-retail

[royal lantern]

no, because im not doing more then the 8 weekly vault keys

got better shit to do with my time

[severe meadow]

I haven’t even finished vault this week yet

Borderlands 4 gaming

[royal lantern]

based, i hope you have fun

[severe meadow]

It’s been good so far tbh

[red schooner]

So, hypothetically, if a character only ever did a single mythic + dungeon and just ran that dungeon over and over again, would that character only be able to get loot from that dungeon in the vault?

[severe meadow]

I didn’t even buy it so I can’t complain

[red schooner]

I have no clue if it works similar to raid or not.

[royal lantern]

no

m+ vault rewards are just all dungeons by default

[red schooner]

Neat, I'm not missing gambit loot in vault then

Cheers.

[royal lantern]

funny that you skip gambit tbh, when its 1 of the more chill dungeons

[red schooner]

Its just how it ended up when I was doing initial key spam and I dunno, having one dungeon not touched amused me for some reason.

[golden loom]

gambit is probably my favorite dungeon this season

either that or ecodome

[midnight scroll]

i'm loving eco dome

[main bridge]

yeah EDA is a vibe

[midnight scroll]

very bright towards the end, eyes hurt like hell

but very fun

[midnight scroll]

and i would do only gambit for the rest of my life if it meant that i don't have to do streets ever again

[main bridge]

gotta rip the inky black in there especially at the end

with the purple on purple ground effects

[late ravine]

In HoA top keys, people swap to sub for last boss when playing assa, when do we think the right time to swap is? After mini boss // Before // or at low hp on the mob

[main bridge]

when the fight is exclusively ST and you can't bring in adds, and your other dps also isn't doing enough ST to kill the boss fast enough

[royal lantern]

dont play in a fully dark room you dweler

[main bridge]

before the mini boss might also be a good idea because you could use wound poison without tanking your damage as sub

[royal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-light-computer-gif-21223179

[midnight scroll]

it also doesn't help that my monitor is always at peak brightness

[late ravine]

Yeah cant really seem to figure out when its best, It does only take like 10-15 secs and that time ur saving on boss by sub damage anyway compared to assa

[main bridge]

try it in a weekly key and see what works for you

[lost nexus]

Looking forward to the addition of Petrov's Sharp Blade next patch

In the upcoming encounter with Anduin the reshadowed, I think it will become critical

[normal mist]

?

[unborn rain]

dear realz,

[red sonnet]

dear realz,

[unborn rain]

rage baiting pugs is fun in keys lol

[quiet oriole]

so for sims you always want these enabled?

[royal lantern]

ngl, i never did that

why should i force the sim to take them

[main bridge]

that's only if you want to try to maximize the blasphemite effect

[late whale]

So.. ive got a tiny question. I'm using naowh's profile for plater and i was wondering if there is any easy change i can do or add something to emphasize which target has my deathstalker's mark?

[royal lantern]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[late whale]

i dont wanna change the whole profile to someone else's since i already changed a few things that fit my view better

[royal lantern]

oh sorry, that was not related too you

[late whale]

ohh

[royal lantern]

just wanted to update my wa packs

bad timing

[late whale]

ye kinda xd

[midnight scroll]

there's a weakaura for that

[midnight scroll]

as far as plater settings i have no clue

[late whale]

any chance for a link?

[midnight scroll]

sure, 1 sec

[late whale]

it's just hella annoying in m+ if you by accident tab through a target and cant find the one with the mark

[midnight scroll]

https://wago.io/5FWtjYFgC

you can also fuck around with the animation speed and stuff, this one was a game changer for me

[late whale]

im gonna give it a shot ty

[midnight scroll]

np

[bitter compass]

SINGLE TGT: If we already have an Envenom up on the tgt, should we wait to apply it again until it's about to fall off, to help with energy conservation and uptime? Or just send it ASAP?

[royal lantern]

send

there is no waiting for envenom

• we literally have a talent that makes envenom stronger if you use it during envenom

[bitter compass]

I am getting about 80-85% uptime on Envenom on Fractillus, but feel energy starved...

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yL6JA8rtRjgcqFap?fight=25&type=damage-done&source=71

Any tips?

I know my Mastery is kinda low

Comparing it to other Rogue's, they're doing like 400k-500k more DPS on just Envenom

[royal lantern]

85% is normal

running out of energy is normal

[bitter compass]

Maybe just a Mastery issue then?

[waxen oyster]

no

unless sim gives a big gain for more mastery

[bitter compass]

Not that I can tell. I feel like I am just missing something rotationally; just don't know what it is

[waxen oyster]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yL6JA8rtRjgcqFap?fight=25&type=casts&source=71&ability=360194&view=events

[red sonnet]

ara kara is so hard to find damage 🙁

[bitter compass]

DM off CD for like 50ish secs between 2nd and 3rd cast.

I think I was doing it to line it up with Kingsbane

[eternal sandal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[half tartan]

Is BM arguably better then DK, Lock, Ele, Rogue, DH for keys?

[runic hinge]

I can make an arguement about anything

[half tartan]

I know they are a bit rng, how rng are they for an alt

[waxen oyster]

"im gonna say better but without any metrics to base it on"

[runic hinge]

I find bm to be a bit snoozer but I pretty much only play assa/feral

[vestal wren]

you should try subtlety, its a lot of fun

[runic hinge]

I have !

[sly spoke]

boys do any of you have a wa that adds some sort of a border to non ruptured enemy platers?

[fickle latch]

Been trying but finding it dificult tbh

[onyx coyote]

With the bleed build in mplus am i making sure CT is up on single target as well?

[vestal wren]

thats normal, goes away with practice

[cyan lily]

no fix

ggs

[red sonnet]

confirmed?

[midnight scroll]

yes

[west crown]

Yes pooling a little bit is good. Completely energy starving yourself will cause you to end up dropping bleeds and envenom all together more often

Just only pool when you have 2 stacks of envenom and all bleeds up OUTSIDE of cds

[coral ibex]

no

thats not necessary

and doesn't result in any meaningful gain

the only relevant pooling context is directly before a kingsbane

and even that is extremely marginal

unless you are talking about ST in m+, and even then you dont play for sanguine

you will be spending all of your time generating cp to upkeep rupture and CT

or consuming DN

[onyx coyote]

are you not as reliant on envenom in that spec? I was used to hybrid and jusut changed to bleed last night.

[coral ibex]

casting envenom is the lowest priority action for bleed build in st

[onyx coyote]

I was unsure if we still used rupture even if debuff was up as a finding move. so only use envenom to refresh death stalker's mark then?

[coral ibex]

if you have 5+ cp and neither rupture nor CT need to be refreshed, then you can press envenom

but if you would drop either rupture or CT because you cast too many envenoms and they drop while you rebuild for a DN, that is a misplay

but really you should just be begging your tank to pull mobs onto bosses because our ST is just ass regardless of how you play it

[onyx coyote]

I was having a lot of issues with the boss in eco dome with the warp stalker lasers not sure how we are supposed to keep up single target on that with how much down time it has