assassination

[knotty vapor]

you'll probably lose dps by stopping to run around and pick stuff up

[royal lantern]

mate, having 3% higher uptime on a trinket by hyperfocusing on it will not improve your dps

[waxen oyster]

i just stand still

and pretend theres no orbs

they aint real they cant hurt you

[main bridge]

you will probably lose dps by chasing orbs instead of hitting things

[royal lantern]

^

the #1 rule of wow is really "dont overcomplicate things for no reason"

[waxen oyster]

this is literally

the dps bellcurve meme

[knotty vapor]

lol

[royal lantern]

have 100% uptime on your enemy, use cd's so you dont waste a cast of your cds

[main bridge]

NOOOOOOOO you have to get ALL the orbs and do your rotation perfectly or you will be doing HEALER DPS!!! 😡

[royal lantern]

and thats kinda it

[ancient ingot]

I'm so worried because someone told me dont take antena from vault because its uncomfortable trinket and u cant pick up ur orbs

[knotty vapor]

they're dumb as hell

ignore anything they tell you for the rest of eternity

[waxen oyster]

dont they just float to you

[knotty vapor]

yeah lol

[royal lantern]

yeha, thats a dumb thing to say lol

[main bridge]

it works the same way as the core trinket from s2 right?

[ancient ingot]

im confused ingame im thinking community wow so toxic and something

in this ds chill

[severe meadow]

You can nearly not even worry about it, orbs float to you

[ancient ingot]

2 worlds

[royal lantern]

the toxic part is the same in all games: the SLIGHTLY above casual guys that think they are a big deal

[knotty vapor]

you know what trinket sucked ass to have?

i fuckin hated this thing

[ancient ingot]

mostly toxic ppls i saw in keys

every key "russian vodka gg"

[main bridge]

haha

[fallow canopy]

do you have the link by any chance? I wanna have a laugh

[royal lantern]

like, literally EVERYTHING in gaming is the bellcurve meme

no matter what and no matter what game

[main bridge]

post was removed already

[fallow canopy]

no laughs for me

[knotty vapor]

i posted a chatgpt summary of the main post

but that's all we got

it was just a big dumbass wall of text

[ancient ingot]

what it means bellcurve

[fallow canopy]

this meme

[knotty vapor]

more specifically this one

[ancient ingot]

first time see this

[royal lantern]

lmao we all at the same time

[knotty vapor]

haha

[astral current]

they tend to stay like 1 meter away from you and then they just run away when you trying to get them

[ancient ingot]

but meme make sense

[royal lantern]

like as an example, my RL was sending me a log of whisp on the 4th mythic boss where he had the #1 boss dps log and asked me to ask whisp about it

what was it

"idk, i just hit the boss and used cds"

the end

[waxen oyster]

this thing was fine

[royal lantern]

no complicated stuff, just hit boss and actually use your stuuff

[knotty vapor]

i definitely got shit in vod review for not picking them up often enough

so maybe I just have ptsd

[waxen oyster]

I used it a fair bit before getting real trinkets

[knotty vapor]

that thing was bis wasn't it?

[waxen oyster]

Oh lmao i used a fucking mastery stick

for awhile

[royal lantern]

why did you show me DfA

now im sad again

[waxen oyster]

best sub era

[royal lantern]

the time where sub was a real spec

[waxen oyster]

[royal lantern]

[covert jewel]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[knotty vapor]

got me lookin at tomb parses again

crazy how the dps numbers are so fucked now

[humble verge]

has anyone made a WA for double 4p proc on FB yet?

if its possible

[knotty vapor]

maiden killed our guild

[waxen oyster]

Oh

I found an engine mythic log

harj from earliest to latest

[knotty vapor]

i was assas so xdddddd

I think it was bis for me

[scarlet orbit]

i had my healer make a quick one which is not perfekt yet

[knotty vapor]

even though I bottomed the fuck out of every meter

[waxen oyster]

yeah sub played a relinquished vendor stat stick

or anything really

[knotty vapor]

lol

[waxen oyster]

specter was juice though

[knotty vapor]

bro lmfao

fucking NOBODY was playing assass

hahahaa

[royal lantern]

ye

[knotty vapor]

at least not in mythic

[waxen oyster]

because sub was

infinitely better

[knotty vapor]

i know

i was just too stubborn

[royal lantern]

assa gameplay was kinda bs

sub was fun

[knotty vapor]

i was so positive i could make it work

[royal lantern]

and sub was strong af during tomb

[waxen oyster]

well i played sin

first 2 kills of avatar

then sub rest of farm

alchemist stone what the fuck

[knotty vapor]

i also never actually got my bis leggo

i quit the xpac over it

[waxen oyster]

lowkey i dont know if i ran trinket sims that tier

[knotty vapor]

i was so mad

[waxen oyster]

or i just vibe experimented

[balmy condor]

Mantle + zoldyck

[waxen oyster]

every week

[royal lantern]

permanent rune unlocked

[balmy condor]

Simpler times

[knotty vapor]

I NEVER GOT MANTLE

TO THIS DAY I DO NOT HAVE IT

[royal lantern]

opener strong and then execute strong

[knotty vapor]

I have literally every other leggo

but no mantle

[royal lantern]

comfy af

[waxen oyster]

i got mantle

on our augur kill

[balmy condor]

The way god intended

[royal lantern]

mantle was my last legendary 🙂

[waxen oyster]

same week i got zoldyck off the world boss

[knotty vapor]

my first leggo was the fucking pants which made me invincible

week 1

[waxen oyster]

pretty sure there was a point with sin

[knotty vapor]

I was 3v1 people in wpvp

holy shit I miss that

[waxen oyster]

where zoldyck+duskwalker

was stronger

[knotty vapor]

I ran that for a bit

apparently

[waxen oyster]

it was bis pre mantle release

then it came back

[knotty vapor]

I think duskwalker was crazy with the nighthold trinket

had vendetta on like a 45s cooldown

yeah that's what I was doin

[royal lantern]

ah yes

[knotty vapor]

I miss that interaction, that shit was fun

[royal lantern]

the trinket that broke fury

[waxen oyster]

Who wants to guess whats the difference between the 99 assa vari

and 95

[knotty vapor]

lmao

[waxen oyster]

la bomba

[royal lantern]

a couple million because of PB rng

[waxen oyster]

i got like 5 pb procs

in my vendetta execute

ye

[knotty vapor]

I remember my top parse on desolate host was like 2.7m or something and it was 70% procs

during add phase

[royal lantern]

mate, i remember that 1 pull on the head hunter guy on the bridge

where i proced 7 PB in a row on pull

we wiped like 30sec later, and i did more dmg then like 6 other players combined

legion PB

[waxen oyster]

guldan prog

eyes spawn

[royal lantern]

hows your parse? idk, proc PB during execute bozo

[waxen oyster]

"did you proc"

[royal lantern]

[waxen oyster]

mfw 99 sub was only 2.4

[knotty vapor]

wasnt actually a parse

we wiped on that pull

but it woulda been insane

[waxen oyster]

oh

[knotty vapor]

100 for sure

[waxen oyster]

the special

[knotty vapor]

i remember saying in vc "SEE I TOLD U ASSASS IS GOOD"

lmfaoooooo

[waxen oyster]

tomb was also

my 2nd mythic prog tier

ever

what a time

[knotty vapor]

just dont look at details where it showed 90% of my damage being big procs

[knotty vapor]

yo same lol

started with emerald dream

err nightmare

w/e

then i quit during nighthold

too busy'

[waxen oyster]

tbh i dont recall why i still did heroic so long

might have been sales

[sterile swallow]

Saw a pin and got excited. Good info but was thinking a undocumented bug fix happened.

[knotty vapor]

im back into heroic now, mythic burned me out so badly in legion i never returned lol

[crude helm]

Stat squish gonna go crazy when 20k dps is a 100

[knotty vapor]

it burned me out so badly I quit for 2 expansions

[waxen oyster]

which is funny since 20k was high in like

sofo

[royal lantern]

gonna be real man, i never look at the numbers themself

[knotty vapor]

what site did we use for parsing in mop?

[waxen oyster]

idk i played healer

and griefed our warrior on bladestorm

on cd

[arctic tusk]

saw a new pin

no bug fix..

[knotty vapor]

i remember my guild master saying I had a 95 on the big bug guy who you bonked legs

but i never saw it myself

and logs on wcl don't go back that far

so idk where the fuck it was

[velvet cairn]

glad it helped!

[tranquil lynx]

How much do u guys do on opener at 5

[knotty vapor]

the fuck is that ui

bro u got like 6 layers of shit overlapping

[waxen oyster]

i think sanctum i did the most heroic

due to having to level up those dumb domination gems

[knotty vapor]

i exclusively played raidfinder in sanctum

i even logged it

[vestal geyser]

do we still want to use whetstones in m+ when we're in bleed?

or still just use the mana oil

[waxen oyster]

well i played outlaw in voti

[knotty vapor]

i had this lil challenge since I wasn't in a guild where I'd parse as high as I could using only raidfinder gear in raidfinder

[waxen oyster]

except my guild putting me in sub jail for rasz

[knotty vapor]

lmfao

sometimes u just gotta make ur own fun

[tight ginkgo]

100 sylv LFR parse

[knotty vapor]

ya so basically im epic

i figured out my bis list at raidfinder ilvl

and started logging once I had a bunch of it

honestly I miss those days

stupid as fuck

[waxen oyster]

legion also gave the most rogue set

[pliant remnant]

I also like how you can barely see the nameplates 'cause DAMAGE NUMBERS

[waxen oyster]

that i still use

[strange onyx]

@balmy condor u started cooking the assa angle on Saladking yet?

[pliant remnant]

wtf

I saw there was a new pin

[solar wyvern]

Fatebound with spatter, accept youre not a platform fucker

[pliant remnant]

but bugs still not fixed

MADGE

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you want to be a platform fucker

play sub

[fallow canopy]

Get baited bozo

[modern harbor]

what is the new pin about?

[knotty vapor]

its how u play the game

good info to pin

[solar wyvern]

Finishing at 5cp cause its a common question

[waxen oyster]

i swear people dont read

how deathstalker works

[modern harbor]

ah ok i just couldnt figure it out

thx

[balmy condor]

You just play fatebound

[raven wave]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[modern harbor]

nah bro i am no native english person, just had to figure out he is talking about combo points and spending them the right way.. thx guys

[balmy condor]

Who did a new pin wtf

Getting rid of it that’s just basics

[worldly dock]

Can some1 explain me something please?
When do we use DM? after or before applying bleeds?

[oblique flume]

is it possible to keep 2 stack of envenim buff without starving ?

[vivid mulch]

@balmy condor What is that new mutilate tracker you added to the WA?

[gusty mirage]

someone did a new pin?

[indigo mulch]

What exactly do i play on soulhunters? D:

[humble verge]

missed out on sub green log

[balmy condor]

Idk I guess, but it’s all good

Was good info

But just random

[humble verge]

also didnt even get to fix my dh

[gusty mirage]

looks like someone unpinned it

[balmy condor]

Yes

I did

[balmy condor]

Semi-rare min-max where you wouldn’t want to shiv if you have the mark buff up, so you force a mutilate

[granite sentinel]

rank 1 on soul hunters

[worldly dock]

Can some explain a perfect aoe opener bleed build?
Idk when the Dm and cds should be popped

[waxen oyster]

There is none

it varies

[humble verge]

ye from last week

too goated

[indigo mulch]

What do i even play on soul hunters? D:

[humble verge]

bleed

but you use

[tight oracle]

wowhead has rotation openers

[humble verge]

athropic

and cheat death

[indigo mulch]

I feel like i need to use to much brainpower to play that fight 😢

[humble verge]

not really

just keep up atleast rupture and CT

on all the targets

[waxen oyster]

it doesnt look that much more involved for melee

[humble verge]

garrote is just an extra

[waxen oyster]

from the povs i've seen

[fallow canopy]

It isn't tbh most of the responsibility iis on the ranged that are mopping the goop

[vital haven]

melee in that fight is

dodge stuff

pick up souls

do dam

dont die

thats it

[waxen oyster]

get mogged by the warlocks

on the meter

yeah

[fresh kelp]

hey now you might walk out to immune soak sometimes

[vital haven]

drag the wizards when you are linked to them to the mark

[fallow canopy]

[waxen oyster]

i think we're only playing 3 melee

so high chance linked to a wizard?

[fallow canopy]

Don't know exactly how it works with the assignments but 90% of the time I was linked to either another melee, tanks or our mw monk

We had 3 melees as well

[knotty vapor]

thoughts on my pretty buff/debuff tracking bars? :3333

[real pike]

ok guys I am really struggling this tier I suck and I especially suck at fatebound

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/anMHNQ8D1AtLZw2h?fight=34&type=damage-done

please help I beg

why do I suck

[fresh kelp]

It links you to people close to you during the cast almost 100%

I never got linked with a wizard all of prog

was always melee gamers

[thorn thorn]

[pliant remnant]

Bro you're not even using Expressway

Get outta 'ere

[halcyon falcon]

dragon rogue..cute

[wild pine]

A quick question ,what dps upg those 4 set give to rogue? like in around %

[midnight scroll]

that was alright

improved on all bosses at least

the fact that we can play bleed build on soul hunters is so peak

[humble verge]

well its more so intended but yes

[midnight scroll]

i usually dislike council fights heavily but bleed build makes it 10 times more fun

all my hate went to araz

which doesn't make sense because if i hate him so much i should be bonking him harder

[ornate pond]

This looks really good, release it as a WA

[velvet vault]

what weapon enchants should we get the rep buff from raid ? 50% weapon enchant effect increase

[golden loom]

the same as you had before

[hearty seal]

somehow my damage got worse than a couple weeks ago
weird

[balmy condor]

doesn't change anything. Think about the enchants you have right now. They're 0.2% better than the alternatives right? So if something is 1.2%, and the alternative is 1%, and you buff both of them by 50%

it doesn't change which is better

it just makes the gap slightly farther apart

[velvet vault]

that's why people dont think before they ask something 🫠

[spice spire]

Before they ask something unnecessary

[main bridge]

why do i need to think

i just ask chat

[real pike]

in fact happy for any of my logs to be torn apart

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormrage/fabbawabba

the more sexually violent the language, the better

[gritty laurel]

if you're just comparing kill logs, remember that the spec has >10% variance

in other words, roll better skill issue

[pliant remnant]

Just be glad you're not an MM hunter

[hearty seal]

not exactly, it's also relative to other raid members (who have not gotten any further into gearing than me)

like I legit struggled to be in top-5 on Soul Hunters this week

and did kinda poorly on Naz, too

maybe the kill time being reduced affected this, couldn't even DM Naz a third time (died like 10 seconds before DM would be up again)

[fallow canopy]

Interesting, about to terrorize our mages in farm when shit gets easier

[hearty seal]

well, shit
guess I should be happy I wasn't too far behind arcane and destrolock

nvm checked fresh WCL stats
assa is just falling behind everywhere

[real pike]

I feel like I'm hitting bosses with wet fish icl

I miss big deathstalker crits

but I also suck because parses bad

[gritty laurel]

yeah, kill time and how much aoe pad you get to do are the biggest factors in parsing at a certain point

[iron carbon]

And in ST, the amount of tier set bugs is another factor

[gritty laurel]

but really, everything being within like 12% of everything else is pretty good for balance across the specs

[real pike]

is it

thought it was better to hold anyway

or can you abuse DM coming up early

[gritty laurel]

for fatebound, yeah you can get giga dicked by the cooldowns desyncing

[real pike]

but you just hold and use on 45sec with cold blood?

[iron carbon]

If your both cd get the bug, you don't care

[real pike]

how do you get dicked

[gritty laurel]

maybe it's just a me thing, but i macro things together and then take the excess off the bar. i don't track cold blood cooldown whatsoever

because there would be no point in doing so if there were no bug

[coral ibex]

why would you want to send cds before 90s when your trinket comes up again

unless you are a prism gamer

[real pike]

?

that's what I'm asking brother

[buoyant herald]

This is 100% it, I’ve got like 95+ parses on the more single targety fights but as soon as adds appear I do zero damage because some dickhead MM hunter high rolls 10 black arrow procs and deletes them in 2 seconds while I might be lucky to spatter a single envenom

[real pike]

so how do you get dicked

you just wait for everything to be up and send

[coral ibex]

yea if you just send your dm+kb when you see they're up

but they both got double cdr

you just sent DM with no trinket

[real pike]

my dude you are agreeeing with me

[gritty laurel]

i just typed out why

[coral ibex]

you asked how you get dicked and i explained, im confused

you have to track your trinket

not your actual abilities

[real pike]

the others are saying logs depend on tier set bugs but I don't see why when the optimal play is to hold even if things come up early

yes I track cold blood

[coral ibex]

well yea if you have prism you dont have a 90s trinket to align to

you can just send whenever

[real pike]

but you only get dicked if you send early

that's not getting dicked that's user error

[iron carbon]

Top 3 logs for exemple

[real pike]

but I still don't see how it affects parses

[iron carbon]

Cuz u send cd's more

[gritty laurel]

having the bug where you get no cdr instead of double cdr isn't fixed by tracking trinket

double cdr, sure you can just wait

[real pike]

and this really confuses me because the message I've seen constantly has been that it's better dps to hold KB/DM to align with cold blood and trinkets instead of sending early when you get the bug

[coral ibex]

yea there's also that side of the bug

[real pike]

so when I see logs like that

[gritty laurel]

the bug isn't in one direction

[real pike]

it contradicts this

and I don't get it

[gritty laurel]

it just randomly fucks with you

[iron carbon]

What's the point having KB and CB in the same time?

[real pike]

I think it's the edge case

[waxen oyster]

tbh i forget if you're supposed to just send

[iron carbon]

You press CB 15 later

[waxen oyster]

if you get the bug

[iron carbon]

Bro

[coral ibex]

you can send the no-dm kb whenever

it doesn't matter

if it comes up early thats fine

[iron carbon]

CB with KB matter just inb the opener

[waxen oyster]

usually its kb comes up 15 before cb is ready

[real pike]

I'm pretty sure whispyr has said it's better to wait and use them together

[gritty laurel]

point being, bug doesn't always work the same way so "just track trinket bro skill issue" is shit advice when the bug could go the other way too and holding isn't the answer

[real pike]

but I guess I could be wrong

[iron carbon]

Whyspir also say to shiv dm kb

[real pike]

what do you mean the bug can go the other way? it's not going to make the cooldown longer than intended

[iron carbon]

And top 1 log use dm kb shiv

[coral ibex]

you need cb with kb in the opener to get more edge case flips to proc lucky

[gritty laurel]

no, it leaves it at 2m sometimes (or 1m for kb, but that's less of a problem)

[real pike]

I've not had that

at least I haven't noticed it lawl

[coral ibex]

there's a clip of imexile crashing out over it in rwf on fract

[coral ibex]

"its 1 minute, why does my DM say 1 minute"

[real pike]

either I've just been giga lucky or I haven't noticed I'm being fucked hahah

[waxen oyster]

crazy part is

[balmy condor]

incorrect btw

[waxen oyster]

that clip is almost a month old

now

[coral ibex]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/UninterestedSnappyLadiesSoonerLater-pEQ4ZSKcOPSkDtSu?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[real pike]

ye I believe it happens

[iron carbon]

I'm listening sir

[real pike]

just saying I haven't noticed it happen to me

[waxen oyster]

i had it happen like every pull

on frac

[balmy condor]

wdym I'm listening, you said CB only matters on KB in the opener

[real pike]

shit maybe that's why my frac log was trash

[balmy condor]

do you not like edge case?

flipping extra coins?

[waxen oyster]

whispyr are you supposed to just hold

[iron carbon]

No, I mean, using in the same time as KB

[coral ibex]

i dont like coins period bro this shit sucks

[waxen oyster]

real

[balmy condor]

if you can get an extra cast out of it then send it whatever who gives a shit

[coral ibex]

wtb new hero talent

[real pike]

that I agree with

[coral ibex]

please

[iron carbon]

To have your proc in order for hero talent

[cinder mountain]

do I use unyielding netherprism on max stacks only or mid stacks should be aimed

[iron carbon]

But after that, just press on cd

[balmy condor]

so with kingsbane then

[gritty laurel]

macro to vanish for FB, deathmark for DS

[iron carbon]

And if kb is cd reduced?

[balmy condor]

you match them back up

[iron carbon]

So you hold kb to use cb with?

[real pike]

by holding KB for CB or by holding CB for the next available KB?

[iron carbon]

How is it a dps gain?

[red schooner]

And if KB is sat at its normal cooldown you just alt-f4

[balmy condor]

how isn't it? You're matching edge case coins

[gritty laurel]

you should read the fatebound talents

[balmy condor]

if I gave you the option of getting 2 more edge case coins

or just flipping 2 regular ass normie coins

which are you taking

[gritty laurel]

all my homies gonna edge

[red schooner]

You always choose edging

At all times

[waxen oyster]

fatebound is such a trash tree

[red schooner]

What was the context?

[real pike]

I fucking hate fatebound

hatebound

[waxen oyster]

i got an 18 coin opener

once

18 tails

[real pike]

this for me is 10% of the dopamine from hitting a fat lingering DN dry shiv

[iron carbon]

CB allow 2 next envenom to throw a matching coins from the last one, y

[balmy condor]

yeah

so you cast it with Kingbane

you match edge case flips

[waxen oyster]

I'd care about dry shivs more if i had combat numbers showing that much

[balmy condor]

you don't cast it with kingsbane, you don't

[real pike]

so whispyr if KB comes back up early after your opener do you hold it for CB or send it and hold CB when it comes back for the next KB?

[iron carbon]

I got this

[versed mica]

So when do you guys think Balance druid is going to get more buffs?

[versed mica]

Hold it for CB iirc

[red schooner]

Yup, hold it

[waxen oyster]

tbh i feel the bug is mainly beneficial if it nets you

extra cds at the very end

[red schooner]

Don't send it before CB is back up. Unless you're in a case where it bugged out and you can squeeze in an extra cast before boss dies

Then, treat yourself, send it

[real pike]

thank god

[iron carbon]

But what does the math say? Better send kb on cd and keep cb for next kb, or hold kb?

[real pike]

I've been trying to say this loool until the boys showed up

and been getting shot down

[versed mica]

Hold kb for cb

[red schooner]

Math says to hold for CB, I forget the exact numbers.

[real pike]

but then the question remains, why do the top logs send their KB when it comes back early, if it's more damage to hold it for CB?

no one has answered that yet

[balmy condor]

they get an extra cast

but also like

[real pike]

so it's to d owith kill timings

[balmy condor]

there's so much RNG

it's hard to tell

[real pike]

yeah fair

[versed mica]

Yeah obvs send kn without CB if boss is dying very soon

[balmy condor]

like if you get an extra 1% from casting a bonus kingsbane, but the RNG on the spec is 14%

are you REALLY sure that it's better?

[iron carbon]

They do it at second kb

[real pike]

yeah but these logs are sending 30s after opener

agree doing it at the end

[humble verge]

im gonna

kms

[real pike]

but yeah must be they get lucky/skilled with kill timers and get one extra cast in at the end

[red schooner]

my reaction when i do a 10 key

[balmy condor]

just cast them together and rank 1

(yes I will milk this until I die)

it's really not that big of a deal

[waxen oyster]

was your dm a 30s cd

[real pike]

is there a separate thread for log review or something here btw?

[balmy condor]

no

[red schooner]

Nah, just post it and one of the mods/quake will make a thread.

Can we get the !log command here for the auto-thread thing?

[balmy condor]

sometimes

no

[red schooner]

Okay I tried

[balmy condor]

we specifically don't have it

[real pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/stormrage/fabbawabba any of these except maybe the pad fights

[balmy condor]

that's by design

[charred plover]

anyone have a gambit log I can take a look at?

[real pike]

all criticism welcome, constructive or otherwise

[red schooner]

Out of curiosity, how come?

[versed mica]

Ur noob u suck

Jk jk

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/45?boss=112442&leaderboards=1&class=Rogue&spec=Assassination

[real pike]

I've gone from consistent purple/orange parses in tier 1 and 2 to blues and greens

[balmy condor]

we simply don't have the manpower to review 90 thousand logs

[real pike]

no no I need to hear it, it's good for me

[red schooner]

Understandable

[balmy condor]

so would you rather have a !logs command that does nothing

or would you have a !logs command that makes a thread

and then have the thread rot

just an endless graveyard of unanswered log review threads

festering in the channel

[red schooner]

I'd review logs but any advice I give should be taken with a huge pinch of salt so like, I don't review as much as I should.

[balmy condor]

doing jack shit

[iron carbon]

I was there for another question

[red schooner]

I'm an idiot but I'm a self aware idiot

[iron carbon]

Why this fuckr do shiv in wrong order?

And rank 1

[balmy condor]

you can just look at sub

they have a similar problem

every fucker on earth wants a log review

[red schooner]

That makes sense, I was just curious!

[balmy condor]

and there's like maybe 5 people that can do it

[real pike]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/anMHNQ8D1AtLZw2h?fight=34&type=damage-done

this is particularly bad

[waxen oyster]

fotm is one hell of a drug

[lament pawn]

transmog is - 25% dmg

[balmy condor]

turns out you don't need to play 100% optimally to rank 1

lord knows I fucking don't

[real pike]

tf you mean it's the only thing stopping me grey parsing

[crude helm]

According to whispyr I played perfect and only parsed an 88

💅

[balmy condor]

turns out parsing involves more than just pressing buttons correctly

usually pressing buttons correctly is actually one of the less important things

[spice spire]

Like I just don’t have time to sit and look at logs for 20 minutes just to spit out “yo it’s fine you made two small mistakes for your 90 do better ig”

For every single person that asks

[coral ibex]

big dog

[spice spire]

I’ve been less active about it this tier because I’ve been actively busier

[fresh kelp]

I enjoyed the guy asking why he had less envenom casts just to see he procced blindside twice in 101 casts

not that he didnt make any other mistakes, but it was funny

[waxen oyster]

just get luckier bozo

[red schooner]

I'd help with logs more but yeah, I am not the best person to do this.

[waxen oyster]

smh

[real pike]

I hit my second shiv late during my last deathmark but is that enough to make it a 28?

[iron carbon]

I was log reviewing my kills on this boss, and try to understand I got fucking low parses. I realizedI missed the double edge case with the cb, I thanks you for the explanation btw

[balmy condor]

bro I've done log reviews on stream for the last week, and I've optimized soulbinder log reviews down to a SCIENCE.

open log, check casts timeline, go to 2:05. Are the cooldowns delayed? Go to 4:25. Did they hold for the add set?

Review done

it's deadass a 30 second check

and every fucking time

it's like

yep

you had 8 target aoe

[real pike]

yeah I've stopped asking for purple and above but this tier I'm a green Gary and it's awful

[spice spire]

My GOAT dropping fucking sauce

[balmy condor]

and didn't press kb until adds are at 15% hp

[spice spire]

Fine

[balmy condor]

that sucks

scroll scroll

yep

you had 8 target aoe

[pastel onyx]

[balmy condor]

but you pressed kb 20 seconds prior

that sucks

soulbinder log reviews might be the most brain-meltingly boring thing I've done this expansion

[red schooner]

Note to self: Don't link my soulbinder log

I peaked week 1 and then never got that level of pad again

[crude helm]

No like him one in hybrid build

[balmy condor]

I mean it's fine, but legit soulbinder parsing is

[crude helm]

Ez rage bait

[balmy condor]

pad at 2:00, pad at 4:30

that's it

that's the entire fight

[humble verge]

this is a first

[balmy condor]

I have like a rank 5 or something on soulbinder and I do over half my overall damage in those 15 second windows on those two add sets

[waxen oyster]

nah whisypr

delay your cds by 15s

[real pike]

why would you need to delay at 2.05? is soulbinder not a deathstalker fight?

[waxen oyster]

for the funny

ask why parse bad

[balmy condor]

half my damage from 30-40 seconds in a nearly 7 min fight

[balmy condor]

no, the cooldowns at 2:00 need to be literally on the gcd they come up

you delay the 2 mins by like 5 seconds you do 1 mil dps less

[real pike]

oh so asking did they delay means yes = bad

got it

[coral ibex]

you can't drift for the 2m and you have to hold 4:00 -> 4:30

[humble verge]

happy you dont have like 5 warlocks destroying the adds when they spawn

[iron carbon]

Speaking of holding for adds spawn

How many second is worth to delay cds on loomithar before p2?

[balmy condor]

what

"Speaking of holding for adds spawn"
-> loomithar

excuse me

HUH

[iron carbon]

It was about he "holding cd"

[red schooner]

Might be meaning holding cds for p2

[iron carbon]

Not the adds part

xD

[balmy condor]

for what are you holding

[coral ibex]

maybe you hold if p2 is literally seconds away, but if you would lose a use in p2 then prob not

[real pike]

the amp he means

[balmy condor]

isn't the amp like deadass 4 seconds

[iron carbon]

All p2

[real pike]

no it's the entire second phase

[coral ibex]

its all of p2

[balmy condor]

I see

[coral ibex]

he takes 30% more damage

[real pike]

whispyr about to get a r1 loom parse lmao

[balmy condor]

30%

yeah you don't hold for that shit just slam it

[knotty vapor]

10 priory overall, is this guy bad or is outlaw?

[mossy sundial]

You don't hold

[iron carbon]

I see people holding

Lik 30 sec

[balmy condor]

then hold man Idk what to tell you

[mossy sundial]

You slam on cd because you'll get another 6 minute set in execute fully stacked

If you hold you won't get that

[real pike]

these people are probably well aware of their kill timers

[iron carbon]

Prolly yes

[balmy condor]

you keep asking questions, getting answers and then going "NO! I SEE OTHER PEOPLE!!! NO! THEY DO IT!"

why ask

[real pike]

when you know your kill timers down to a few seconds you can hold if it doesn't mean you lose another cast at the end

[balmy condor]

you already look at logs

[iron carbon]

I don't understand why, that's it

[waxen oyster]

Tbh loom is gonna be under 6mins

unless your other dps are bad or dead

[iron carbon]

I try to know until how many sec it's worth

[mossy sundial]

Next week or after yes for general people

[real pike]

depends if it loses you a cast at the end

[waxen oyster]

we had 5:54 last week

[mossy sundial]

Right now, do not hold

[real pike]

that's the answer

always

[coral ibex]

33% actually

[waxen oyster]

and yeah 3% buff next week

rn yeah if you delay at all you'll prob miss the last 6min set

of cds

and rip parse

[real pike]

so on fractillus my mana oils ran out during the fight and I hit shiv late in my last DM window but those two things alone are surely not enough to take me down to a green parse right? there must be something I'm doing fundamentally wrong?

[iron carbon]

2 times in a row my fight ends when cd's are coming back, I think I should hold a bit then

[balmy condor]

insane!

[knotty vapor]

I can't bring myself to be responsible for maintaining more software on the internet than I already am

[waxen oyster]

a proper 6min set is a stacked prism and pot too

[mossy sundial]

The only time your gonna hold is if you aren't getting that 6minute burst

[spice spire]

There’s nothing wrong with your log except GIGA minor things you’re also rocking a 720 mh going into the penultimate boss of the tier when only a handful of guilds are that far along

[mossy sundial]

And you're lusting the dmg amp

Most likely

[spice spire]

I spent ten minutes looking at your logs to say that

[balmy condor]

I'll send you a kiss

[real pike]

fract is 4th to last boss and thought quite a few guilds had done it

but ok thanks

the dagger would be nice

[spice spire]

Like you also have more vers than mastery and a few other minor things but literally none of that makes a huge difference

[runic hinge]

Send it USPS so I have a chance to intercept it

[real pike]

fuck me we're almost out the top 1k actually washed

[real pike]

yeah it's weird I stat how the sim tells me to

but it does seem off

[spice spire]

Dhs are before so I just count them as the 4th to last

[real pike]

fair

think most guilds are killing fract first cause it's so free

[coral ibex]

yes

[balmy condor]

ye

[coral ibex]

my guild only alloted 3 reclear attempts for soul hunters this week

[balmy condor]

it's like soulbinder/loom

[coral ibex]

and then we just went back to NK prog

[balmy condor]

soulbinder is a pushover, loom less so
fract is a pushover, hunters less so

[real pike]

we're almost out the top 1k with our fract kill fuck my life

we were aiming for top 500 this tier

washed

hunters seems like one of thoe chaotic as fuck but over quickly type fights

but I'm benched for it Sunday which I'm not too upset about

[red schooner]

I'm asking to be benched for it

[real pike]

except for not getting the boots vault chance

[red schooner]

You get the boots vault chance from frac

[real pike]

I was in today and I did not enjoy my experience

[red schooner]

Its like soulbinder and loomithar loot

[real pike]

yoooooooooooo

forgot about that

but you can't buy with dinar right? have to kill the specific boss for that?

[red schooner]

No clue on that front

[real pike]

fair

[waxen oyster]

we're a raid buff so usually we're in

[balmy condor]

[waxen oyster]

i dont like how the boss looks

[balmy condor]

ugly ass rock

[waxen oyster]

i meant hunters

not the dumbass rock

[real sinew]

how much dmg was the caustic double dip fix

[dawn seal]

hello

does anyone know if we can sim the wep ench buffs

or does the buff change anything

about the choices of wep enchs raid buff

[spice surge]

Buff doesnt change anything

[severe meadow]

It just made your current enchants stronger

[severe meadow]

Sup pookie, heard you got posted on Reddit

[balmy condor]

[winged sun]

Did the…fuck

[agile locust]

Anybody know the script in plater to change the colour of the cast bar on a mob that doesn’t have rupture applied?

[winged sun]

fucking bugs

[thorn thorn]

[craggy dune]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[thorn thorn]

When is this from

[waxen oyster]

He got put on a reddit thread

[winged sun]

Did someone get mad cuz he got called a monkey or

Whats this about

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/s/jzzC4gCS3t
The convo in discord, and the post

[buoyant herald]

Removed by mod now??

[flint escarp]

I feel like reaching 3k with rogue pugging this season is way harder than it was for me last season on enhancement shammy, mostly because I had BL to get into to groups lol

[winged sun]

i dont think the guy knows what hes talking about

Besides the reddit convo is gone

No idea whats the H2o+14 thing he typed sounds like yap to me

[spice surge]

He said fury is strictly better than sub in every single way in raid

[winged sun]

In every single way

What

Sub is like one of the best raid specs

Idk the guy sounds cooked surprised whispyr didnt ban him yet

[gritty laurel]

he doesn't need to at this point, funnier to let him watch

[buoyant herald]

He’s cooked for sure, hinges removed, but he’s not entirely wrong that there are core issues I guess

[runic hinge]

There’s core issues for sure but he only complains about damage

[winged sun]

Opening a reddit post complaining on a tc that outs effort into the community is quite odd

[runic hinge]

Sounds like a skill issue tbh

[buoyant herald]

But also naming and blaming Realz is a move for sure

[winged sun]

That sadly is quite common

[reef finch]

guys, quick question, doing fatebound singletarget rotation, wowhead guide says to cover all MD duration with shiv, but with that order (image) i dont have shiv for last damage from kingsbane. should i wait 2sec to use shiv to cover last damage of kingsbane?

[buoyant herald]

People still ping the poor guy in here from time to time

[winged sun]

Realz deserves better

[buoyant herald]

Gets removed asap but like…the gall to do that right

No wonder interaction goes down when you open yourself up

Give these monkeys a finger and they take your arm

[winged sun]

I couldn’t get myself to ping him even when he was around

[tawdry halo]

No, use this order and just cover all of DM

[winged sun]

True

[runic hinge]

Fatebound you use shiv to cover dm

[reef finch]

thank you

[charred plover]

probably a dumb question but, does details properly track caustic splatter damage on target dummies? Mine is showing an absolutely tiny amount of damage (like 1.7% of my damage) which is way diff from my sim, and my damage is like 2mil less than my sim so I'm trying to figure out what is going on lol. Very well could be playing turbo wrong

[thorn thorn]

Can we name and shame the person

In here

Just for funsies

[earnest remnant]

no?

[thorn thorn]

No fun

[manic quartz]

wait what, i was in the impression you cover last 8seconds of KB during CD's

[thorn thorn]

The entitlement in the wow community is nothing short of bizarre

[runic hinge]

Dm is more important for fb because kb lasts so long so it’s better to cover the double poisons and coin flips than to cover the end kb which will be maxed out in like 5 seconds

I hope that makes sense

[manic quartz]

ye ye it does, i can swear i heard that from somewhere 😄 not 100% sure

[balmy condor]

he's already left, there's no point in continuing this

[thorn thorn]

Big sad

[manic quartz]

Hmm just checked, whispyrs guide video says to hold 2nd shiv to end of KB but i guess the difference isnt huge

[tranquil lynx]

Whispyr how are u so goated

[thorn thorn]

Cuz he is based

[tranquil lynx]

Quickone guys how to improve my burst

[thorn thorn]

I have a lot of questions

But for the sake of the question

[fading elbow]

Do more damage, hope this helps

[thorn thorn]

I will say there is nothing useful here

[runic hinge]

For this season or last season

[balmy condor]

things change

I can't go back and update old videos

that's the downside of youtube

[manic quartz]

Ye ye, just havent known it has changed 🙂

[tranquil lynx]

Second shiv at 8second of kb

[tranquil lynx]

Shoot

[balmy condor]

no

[thorn thorn]

Why?

[tranquil lynx]

Glitch

Its usually bottom right

[tranquil lynx]

Since when 🤔

[thorn thorn]

Ok second question

[balmy condor]

In general, wowhead will update the fastest

[thorn thorn]

Why are your bars so spaced out randomly

This has no relevance to your question

[balmy condor]

like a month ago idk

[thorn thorn]

I am just curious

[tranquil lynx]

I dont even watch them had to bring them up cuz i learn sub and i forget which where i put

Usually they are invis

[lunar pond]

Idk if that is directed at me. I made the comment in that thread “it’s Realz”. It was tongue cheek because he is always blamed for rogue issues and that is idiotic. Thread was deleted either way so it is irrelevant. I guess I should have included /s …

[tranquil lynx]

Im just curious if 40m is doable on 5 targets

[winged sun]

No idea dude i didnt read the thread

[lunar pond]

Ah I just saw all the comments post the Reddit shit being posted

[winged sun]

Its just that he got famous for being interactive with the community and people acted weird when he was around

[buoyant herald]

The worst is the classic situation where people are railing on him and saying the devs fucking suck etc etc then one shows up then suddenly they change and start glazing them “omg I’m just so passionate about the class I appreciate you”

Absolutely no shame

[runic hinge]

I thought he was funny

[lunar pond]

I’ve never really paid attention to dev or class designers names. But someone who primarily was a healer that multiclassed for one(?) tourney on rogue and was not great compared to others being linked to rogue is funny…idk

[real pike]

Ooh I love drama, was the post just a screenshot of this disc or?

[buoyant herald]

No it was a LENGTHY rant

[balmy condor]

we don't need to talk about it

the guy is gone, the post was stupid and got deleted

doesn't matter anymore

[humble verge]

wait

hes actually dead

i thought i read somewhere he had a pulse

D:

[thorn thorn]

Uber fashionably late

[thorn thorn]

Uber

Are you gonna gear all 8 of your rogues

[humble verge]

i have only geared 2 rogues

my 3rd rogue i just do 1 weekly on

[dim nymph]

try putting shiv somewhere random on your bar thats how i fixed it

[tepid meadow]

yo whos got the fattest parse for m sentinel and how did you convince your priest to give you pi

[nova kelp]

the fuck you ever asking for pi for?

[marsh fjord]

if your parse isnt higher then mine

with the PI

im gonna be dissapointed

[tepid meadow]

i didnt get pi

i just want it

[nova kelp]

oath

[marsh fjord]

Sure bro

Ygg

whats your character name

[nova kelp]

imagine getting a bunch of pi's and you parse like 1k dps ahead of someone

like

[marsh fjord]

let me check real quick

[nova kelp]

bruv

we all know who won that race

[tepid meadow]

lol real

[marsh fjord]

send character name

you puss

[tepid meadow]

never ever

[marsh fjord]

we dont care if your grey logging bro

[tepid meadow]

im in a pug, my guild only does heroic, im also not logging

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[tepid meadow]

its tru bro dont @ me

[pliant remnant]

he also doesn't even have a keyboard

and his monitor is turned off

[jaunty sky]

His weakauras dont eork

[marsh fjord]

true

[vapid gorge]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[viscid spear]

Miss timing that AK because we had some % to gain after last boss, so we kill a pack, and then for whatever reason the other two dps ran one way and the tank ran the other, so I followed the tank. We all die and brick the key because they pulled adds way away from tank. Ridiculous.'

Missed it by a minute.

[hollow fulcrum]

whats the best way to sim m+

is it just patch work like 7 at 40 seconds

[severe meadow]

Mythic gamers, are ya'll pushing Araz adds into puddle or dropping behind it?

[balmy condor]

dungeonslice

[balmy condor]

pushing is the default

[hollow fulcrum]

is that for most classes as well

[balmy condor]

no, different classes have different recommendations and optimize their AoE sims in different ways

[hollow fulcrum]

are those things generally on wowhead guides or is that a class discord question

[balmy condor]

with rogues having stealth effects, dungeonslice is the only fight style that will account for varying restealths/chainpulls, so we generally focus our efforts on that over optimizing for random x target patchwerks

generally a class discord thing

[split veldt]

this 13 floodgate was fun

https://tenor.com/view/damage-is-cool-beavis-mike-judge-beavis-and-butt-head-do-the-universe-i-like-damage-gif-14904001462812972703

[thorn thorn]

[viscid spear]

idk what they were doing, tank went one way so I followed. If they had done the same we would've timed

[thorn thorn]

Pugs

gg go next

[steel orchid]

Sub seems to be putting up some numbers, but my Sin sim far outstrips my sub sim. Does it require a specific setup to get proper numbers or does it scale really well with the fights this tier? Is it worth switching over?

[real pike]

Don't compare sim figures of different specs, the sim isn't designed to work that way

Sub is pumping but sin is still viable

Unless you're pushing HoF or some shit, play what you enjoy

[balmy condor]

I mean, sin single target sims are slightly ahead of sub

And the reality in logs is similar

Seems fairly accurate

[pliant bridge]

does anyone know if 5 point envenoms are better to send if you crit your ambush or better to build to 7 then envenom?

[balmy condor]

You always finish on 5 with all finishers

The one exception is darkest night, which requires you envenom with max combo points

[steel orchid]

I enjoy lots of things, thats why I asked. How else should I compare them

So there's no distinctive advantage to sub for fight timings?

[real pike]

Well no because afaik sub is a 90 second spec and so is sin with fatebound tier bonus

I would say you can compare them by looking at logs, or hitting a target dummy for a few minutes with each, but Whispyr seems to be implying above you can now compare sims across specs so

[balmy condor]

You can compare single target kinda

It still doesn’t account for adds or amps or anything obviously

But fractilus this tier is around 5 min and completely patchwerk

So just comparing fract logs and sims is actually pretty reasonable

[thorn thorn]

"black"

Is that supposed to be black coffee

[pliant bridge]

cool thanks!

[balmy condor]

Yeah

[thorn thorn]

My second guess was black tea

[steel orchid]

So, as it stands, Sin will catch up to sub on the logs. As historically it seems too

[humble verge]

[balmy condor]

Bean

[balmy condor]

What does any of that mean

[balmy condor]

Turns out one log does not make a statistic

[viscid spear]

Hate that I can't see what Kareshi Voidstone does
I look at the armor but don't notice anything

[thorn thorn]

Bean

[runic hinge]

What happened to sin being the worst simming dps and Whispyr is a sandbagger

[viscid spear]

[humble verge]

we are pooping in 95th percentile

on all bosses

[hollow fulcrum]

is blood mallet worth looking at

[humble verge]

yes

but you can also just sim

[hollow fulcrum]

cuz bloodmallet says 710 lily sims better than 710 prism

[humble verge]

no it shouldnt

[pliant remnant]

no

[buoyant herald]

This tier we flip it, we sim ok but performance is icky

[humble verge]

did they stealth buff lily..?

what

or stealth nerf prism

[hollow fulcrum]

idk man thats why it through me off

[real comet]

how large is the difference between whetstone and algari mana oil? like tenths of a percent?

[hollow fulcrum]

im simming my great vault to see if i should take myth track chest or 710 prism

considering i dont think ill get mythic prism

[reef aspen]

Prism is superior cuz half the bosses have dmg amp phases

[hollow fulcrum]

for some reason ive been using forge in st over prism

as fatebound

[humble verge]

well, we dont really need the haste

[real comet]

the guide recommends algari mana oil this patch, which is why i was curious, i stocked up on whetstone from last patch

[humble verge]

what since when

i didnt even know

had to check myself

[visual sun]

Mana oil is mostly for the crit rather than the haste since fb loves them critties

[hollow fulcrum]

wtf the sim is telling me that a fulling upgraded prism is 6% worse than lilly

[real comet]

yeah it changed in 11.2 i think. i simmed it and it came out to .3% difference lol

[humble verge]

itll prolly make an even bigger difference now

[real comet]

but i also dont know waht im doing

[humble verge]

with renown 6

[real comet]

so im not sure if its accurate

[hollow fulcrum]

ig prism is just shit idk man

this is confusing

[humble verge]

its not

i guess

[hollow fulcrum]

im aware thats why its confusing

its simming 6% less than lilly

[humble verge]

i was looking at subs bloodmallet

cause this makes sense

[hollow fulcrum]

no yea thast sub

but assa is weird

[humble verge]

i do use lily

for FB

[hollow fulcrum]

instead of prism?

[humble verge]

i swap to prism for DS

yeah

well

i might go prism now

[hollow fulcrum]

ahhhh

[humble verge]

i got myth prism today

from reclear

[hollow fulcrum]

well that would probably be better LMAO

[humble verge]

the thing is

im pretty sure it is simming at 3minutes tho

and not at random points

[hollow fulcrum]

i wish there was a way to change it

iug you could use a plugin or something but

[humble verge]

wdym

to change it

[hollow fulcrum]

like stacks for prism

i wish you could sim for like 9 stacks

[humble verge]

oh

im pretty sure you can with uh

advanced sim

[thorn thorn]

[hollow fulcrum]

i am not smark enough to do that

idk man guess im just not taking prism

hopefully i get it in raid buty

[viscid spear]

[lyric vale]

waist is nerfed?

[hot pasture]

im sad

we have no dmg

🙁

[thorn thorn]

[fallow canopy]