assassination

[tepid meadow]

i pool for kb but idk it just feels nicer

[versed cove]

so it's normal to just be at 0 spamming lol

feel like my dmg output just dies

[nova kelp]

it's like

[balmy condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/coRCsWUwPRtDyZarY5aFd8

[nova kelp]

non zero

[versed cove]

later in a fight

[balmy condor]

granted that's after crests this week

but ya know

[nova kelp]

like, bash if you vibe it, you can pool a tiny bit if you vibe it, there's no actual dif

[versed cove]

got it i just wasn't sure if theres a num im supposed to be poolign to energy wise

after burst it feels extremely weak

[nova kelp]

I'm just too adhd to watch my energy bar without getting hypnotised and dying to a mechanic

[oak tangle]

150 prior to non dm kb's

i believe

[versed cove]

yeah thats what i was doing for non DM kbs

so its normal to just be bashing mutil at 0 nrg

[oak tangle]

i don't know if it's worth it, but i feel nicer about myself not bashing it at low energy and yeeting tea charges

[nova kelp]

it's just feels

to me personally it FEELS fucking terrible to stop bashing, so i don't

[tepid meadow]

i am very jealous of the myth logic gate

[balmy condor]

but not the myth prism

okay then

[tepid meadow]

i got distracted by the highlights

i also like your myth prism

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-awkward-smile-gif-5307535

[nova kelp]

OOH I got a myth dagger in vault - we pumpin now

those 3 ilvls brother

I'm op now

ima craft a ring next week, coz like fuck it, I'm gona be like priorty no. 12231231322315645774 for the logic gates

[waxen oyster]

omega isnt that crazy

its more alpha

[visual sun]

sigma

[versed cove]

so never shiv without using it with KB in ST?

[nova kelp]

depends

context is good here

[versed cove]

running fatebound*

[scarlet wyvern]

which time vaults open

[nova kelp]

fb, ds, m+, raid

[versed cove]

fb in raid

[nova kelp]

fb in raid, cover your dm with shiv
when you do your kb and no dm, cover the last 8 seconds of kb

[versed cove]

if you're in DS in raid, you wanna be sending shiv off CD?

[marsh fjord]

Nope.

You just shiv like you do normally

only

thing that is different is that you use 1 shiv for a dry shiv

if you dont know what a dry shiv is i would recommend reading it on wowhead

[versed cove]

thats the 30sec after dm window?

[marsh fjord]

yup when you have darkest night + lingering up

you dry shiv

and then you use that 1 shiv for the last 11 seconds for your solo KB

[versed cove]

got it thank you

thats diff for fb tho right

fb just with kbs

[marsh fjord]

FB you shiv 8i seconds after your second one

and the last 8 seconds of your kingsbane

[fluid hull]

Hi, im struggling to play rogue i dont know what im doing wrong in raid and key wise could someone help me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/tichondrius/unfaireon
https://raider.io/characters/us/tichondrius/Unfaireon

[marsh fjord]

@fluid hull

• for starters i would go to the wowhead guide and start memerizing your opener because on your plexus kill, you didn't pressed your major ability ( deathmark)
• your not using vanish to buff your coins
• then when the shield on plexus came. you garrote + ruptured + double shived straight after the other one.

I woujld really suggest you just go to the wowhead channel and watch some videos guides, basically all the basics of assa you are missing ( sorry no flame)

Can take more kills if you want

But getting the basics down is needed.

[pulsar elk]

on logs (Justsupa) this is from our prog tonight, looking to improve and would love input as this other rogue tends to whoop my ass in dmg

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GfnTKgy9LD6H43A8

[pure moth]

you're also missing your 2nd embellishment

[sharp viper]

great report name

[fluid hull]

this is more for my friend im a healer main but im trying to help him learn

[marsh fjord]

Well start giving him the wowhead link

and tell him that he needs to practice the opener.

[fluid hull]

already did that and had him watch videos

[marsh fjord]

Well i dont mean this in a wrong way

but was it the right videos?

[coral ibex]

needs more practice

tbh

[fluid hull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHI4tRcugME&t=350s

[marsh fjord]

Yeah that is fine. but a bit outdated.

[storm zinc]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[fluid hull]

thats what i think is just more repations but he hard struggling it seems

[sharp viper]

my friend needs practice and learn stuff about sub rogue (it's me)

[marsh fjord]

yeah if you dont press your major ability that duplicates all your bleeds and poisons

if he wants i can come in a voice call and show him pointers on his logs

i dont mind

[fluid hull]

what abilty is that btw 😛 i only really knwo defensives for rogue but thats because im a resto druid

he just went to bed but i sure he would love that

[marsh fjord]

(deathmark)

[tepid meadow]

i know a guy with a 3 hour rogue manifesto

[sharp viper]

maybe he knows a thing or two about assa rogue

[glad ferry]

IM IN THE KITCHEN TONIGHT

[earnest flume]

could anyone take a look at the Soulbinder kill here and let me know whats so horribly wrong outside of maybe gear. To preface theres definitely a spot were i dont really hit the boss much after a knockback + mechanics and stuff.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cGTRMfXvDknB31wq?fight=last&type=damage-done

is sending on cd not the move? hold for intermissions?

[astral current]

beat this

[glad ferry]

sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[tepid meadow]

jesus

[glad ferry]

Brother how

[astral current]

only god knows...

[glad ferry]

aug and pi

[astral current]

nah

[tepid meadow]

bro doing 3m more than me

[astral current]

no pi and shit

and that's even without 3% druid cuz we aint got one in our guild xd

[tepid meadow]

im shit at kb timing the adds

i get impatient and hit my buttons

[rotund oak]

dont be

[red zealot]

Anyone have a high ranking pov on Soulbinder?

[zealous cosmos]

Done with raid, here is the log for tonight if anybody wants to help. I know what I did wrong on the myth fight with cd so just overall help is appreciated https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YxaBc7FjLAZ91W3N there is only 1 rogue so easy to spot lol

[red zealot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vBJKVG7dArWpX9CN?fight=55&type=damage-done what can I do better here??

[glad ferry]

The skill diff between a 95 and 99 parse is kind of impressive ngl

[tepid meadow]

im okay not being a 99 player

[glad ferry]

I mean same

[tepid meadow]

but i agree

[glad ferry]

it's just insane that this dude did 2 mil over me

and i have a 98

on that fight

[pastel roost]

Not sure what i need to take , please guys help me /s

[glad ferry]

`Grats bro

[slim pasture]

For fate bound single target with 4 pc do you hold deathmark for vanish to come back after opener ?

[tepid meadow]

no just vanish every other

[glad ferry]

no

[slim pasture]

Ty

[glad ferry]

thats why you bind prism to vanish too

[slim pasture]

Who said I have prism 😂

[glad ferry]

when you'll have one, you'll know

[tepid meadow]

ya just dont forget to change it when you run keys (not that i have done that)

[slim pasture]

Maybe next xpac

But ty for tip

[nova kelp]

just like

don't bind

just like

have a button that's your trinket

and press it

[slim pasture]

Don’t wry I don’t have any trinkets to press so it’s null

[tepid meadow]

i came from dh bro i cant handle that many buttons

[slim pasture]

Haha

[nova kelp]

I swear there's peeps that have like 2 different vanish binds, and they use one for keys/ds and another for fb as if they're saving themselves button realestate or brain power

[slim pasture]

It’ll be ok

[oak tangle]

don't @ me please

[slim pasture]

I just use the one button rotation thing

It rips

[nova kelp]

I do this thing, with a trinket bind, and like I just use the same bind for... now get this, it's a HOT ONE
I use this for every build

it's crazy the way it works for all of them

[oak tangle]

actually i just checked, im not bad on sin spec binds atm

[nova kelp]

the best bit is, it even works when I use double on use trinkets!

yo I'm goated asf

[balmy path]

Guys, I've never played night elf. Does shadowmeld work for getting out of combat and using stealth?

[oak tangle]

this is all my sin binds

N6 is where CT goes

when it exists

[nova kelp]

does this actually SAY the "poisons" etc etc?

[oak tangle]

and my sub binds, we don't have to talk about the seperate blades icons

[astral current]

m+ only except bosses

[oak tangle]

only if not applied yeah

[nova kelp]

that's cool

I often think "I should custom my shit"

and then like

I get lazy and go play dark souls

[balmy path]

I'm playing as an orc maghar and I have a race change charge, should I?

[oak tangle]

my 5 key is blades + symbols + sectec, and my N1 is trinket and the rest

N1 is the sneaky netherprism button big boom

[nova kelp]

oh no you do the blades/symbols bind?
don't they all poo poo that in the sub channel even though it's perfectly fine

[oak tangle]

sooo, they like to talk what's optimal, but they dont realise that what is optimal is not having to think about buttons and mistiming shit

[nova kelp]

WOAH

DON'T SPEAK SUCH HUMAN NONCLANKER TALK

[oak tangle]

about the only thing i miss out on by having symbols bound instead of it's own key, is the ability to pull a sectec with coup when it lines up

[nova kelp]

yeah sub and ol always end up with those tiny little niche oddities

sin is like "press shiv now instead of then"
"ok"

[oak tangle]

and to be fair, i technically dont even miss out on it, cause blades + sectec + symbols, when you tryna pull a sectec, the only one of those binds available is symbols

[nova kelp]

I personally don't have them bound, but I remember at one point getting ignored by one of the sub guys because I was trying to defend someone using the bind and getting hounded

[oak tangle]

so in which case the mega niche is where you are going into a dance with full cp and coup ready

and sectec ready

can't symbols the ffirst coup

[nova kelp]

but the idea of "you can still use x skill when it's swifty bound if it's the only one available what?"

it's anathema to some people

I was never sure if its because they just refuse to imagine the situation, or if they're chromosomially gifted

[oak tangle]

if someone is learning the spec, i can understand not accepting binds, cause they'll be able to learn the spec more naturally, but i've always used limited keybinds, so i find extra ways to simplify

and i still get oranges

so can't be doing something too wrong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/spH55JLMpZHGcU5stuEJB5

yooooo

DISC GTFO MY BUILD

[nova kelp]

BRO this fucking disc belt

I have the myth plexus belt but I can't afford the crests yet to upgrade/socket it

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

can't wait for the nerf

[astral current]

nah maghar is literally bis horde race imo

im running orcs cuz i was too lazy to complete maghar line

[oak tangle]

what causes us to beat sims on loomithar

do they take extra damage in p2

[astral current]

yes

33% more on p2

[oak tangle]

ahh, ok yeah that explains why sin slaps

[nova kelp]

man screw orcs, invasive species

[astral current]

so keep bl+pot for 2nd phasew

[balmy path]

what should i put in raidbots patchwerk or dungeon slice?

[astral current]

also keep prism for p2

[oak tangle]

probs gonna kill dimensius tonight, still dont know the raid fights

[astral current]

and keep in mind that 33% more dmg starts when loom lands on ground and not when she starts rp

[nova kelp]

the chad method

turn up, watch someone get a mechanic, learn it from them fucking it up
if you get it, immediately say "fuck lag"

[oak tangle]

i'm playing 3 specs, i dont have time to read raid mechanics, i just do the stuff that lets me live

[astral current]

my parses on dimensius suck af cuz im greedy fucker and i wasnt using prism on platforms

[nova kelp]

what?

how is not using prism on the platformt he greedy one?

[oak tangle]

surely you send prism on first platform

[astral current]

so median avg is 92

climbing my way back to 95 at least

[astral current]

yeah but i was too greedy willing to keep 18 stacks for dmg on last phase

cuz first 12% are like +50% dmg or something like that

[oak tangle]

but 3rd phase is 3 mins after first platform no?

[astral current]

depends on clear speed

[nova kelp]

sending prism with the pack is giga, just gap the raid and chill

you still have an execute phase to go

it's aaaaaaaaalllll g

[oak tangle]

what is the damage amp anyway

zoldick + 18 stack probs beats it

only as 50%

piss weak

what do we have to do this week to unlock more raid dps btw

anything or is it just applied

[nova kelp]

get the rep, maybe talk to the guy outside?

[oak tangle]

that's just lfr or normal right?

[nova kelp]

???

[oak tangle]

you get the rep for killing bosses

[nova kelp]

the dps amp?

oh

yeah you can get the rep in anything

[oak tangle]

i wanna get the buff before heroic tonight

[nova kelp]

omnomnom

new dagger is haste mastery, I can feel my sub spec moaning
I care little smol friend, just dance

[frozen iris]

Anybody got any tips on mythic plex

[astral current]

how tf u sim that high

that's 5 min sim?

712 ilvl and i literally feel like ass

[cyan summit]

hey , this means i should prio crit / mastery ?

[astral current]

wtf are these numbers xd

[rotund oak]

do you really press 6 to stealth

[cyan summit]

for m+

[rotund oak]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[nova kelp]

6

human dif

superior race

[rotund oak]

truth has been spoken

[cyan summit]

is this a good way to sim for m+ ?

[rotund oak]

no

[astral current]

default orcs were #1 in s1 🙁

[rotund oak]

regular dungeonslice

[nova kelp]

"were"

[rotund oak]

rogue doesnt sim combustion

[astral current]

[knotty vapor]

is fatebound with caustic the way to go on saladbar?

[astral current]

i think mechanognomes or humans gonna prevail in midnight cuz stats are gonna be lowered

[astral current]

nah

[knotty vapor]

damn really?

[astral current]

it nerfes itself in aoe

[nova kelp]

orc pride died when you all turned on hellscream and pushed him towards the taint

[astral current]

well

[balmy condor]

okay but consider

[astral current]

blizzard really want me to spend shekels

[balmy condor]

1. money
2. ugly

[frozen iris]

Is there a way to ignore the pushback on plexus sentinel?

[balmy condor]

nop

[astral current]

shadowstep couple times and then cape

then just sprint + pass wall with cloak

[oak tangle]

i click it

but yes

[knotty vapor]

lol

[balmy condor]

that's so cooked

you're just cloaking througth and using the cape as a dash?

god damn

I need to be more degenerate

[haughty flicker]

insanely based

[nova kelp]

wait

what the fuck

[astral current]

xddddddd

[nova kelp]

hahahaa

that's sick

[knotty vapor]

I gotta save cloak for shield phase cuz our healers suck and I die if I don't

:3

[astral current]

well

[balmy condor]

the thought of using the cape as a dash like a fucking fiend did not even cross my mind

was not a consideration I had

[nova kelp]

bro if I don't save cloak for the last half of the shield burn I'm so dead

[knotty vapor]

real

[astral current]

im using cape to prevent myself from being pushed away from sentinel on intermission

[rotund oak]

my ex had ''8'' for tranquility and ''7'' for skin,needless to say she wasnt wife material

[nova kelp]

I'm so trying this later lol

holy shit

I hadn't even remotely considered it

[astral current]

like step -> step -> cape -> sprint -> step to boss if wall already passed him

[balmy condor]

I don't really care bout my shit anymore luckily

but good gravy

that's so degenerate

[astral current]

well when RL says "you're mid im gonna replace you" you have to figure out something

[nova kelp]

nah that binder log is cracked man

I have these 2 fucking ww's in my raid

the tubes pop

and they instantly gap the raid, and the 2 adds just legit evaporate

I don't get to aoe until that 2 minute whatever mark

[balmy condor]

we had our monk on tank duty

[astral current]

xd poor fella

[frozen iris]

Wow no ele shamans?

I have two of the shitheads in mine on top of a monk

[knotty vapor]

i woulda parsed an 8m on binder tonight but our fucking shaman didn't link and I died right as I popped cd's on the big add phase

im so mad about that

[oak tangle]

bigoof

[nova kelp]

I fucked my last loomy parse too, got to the last vanish just prior to the death and just like misclicked EVERY bind

[knotty vapor]

oh yeah my loom parse also got fucked for the same reason

[nova kelp]

absolute custard

[golden loom]

I parsed a 1 first week cause I died and then caustic bug happend and now I havent played sin on soulbinder since week 1

[knotty vapor]

I just got cucked tonight man

[golden loom]

Might be the play today

[nova kelp]

I actually can't play sub on binder

[astral current]

literally cant play sub anywhere except m+ for unknown reason

[nova kelp]

like the ww's kill those tube adds thoroughout the fight so fast, my sectech just never hits them

at all

[knotty vapor]

i've still never played sub in my life. at least not since I was a 29 twink in 2008

[astral current]

trying to consider timings and shit but i just eat ass

[golden loom]

We played double sub, double ele, fdk and ret just all competing for add dam

Lmao

[balmy condor]

can't wait for everyone to come crawling back to assa in like 3-5 weeks when all the AoE in the raid is nonexistant

[astral current]

i hope our shit will be fixed soon

[nova kelp]

I do this whole, prep for the tube pop, boost my dance, hit sec tech, waiting for that little gap where the clones come in
the windwalkers go full stonks mode and the clones just hit pure boss

lol

[knotty vapor]

i played assass through mythic tomb in legion

[astral current]

that's funny how blizz instanerfed overpowered weekly buff and they just dont give a single damn about classes being bugged

[knotty vapor]

im a real trooper

[nova kelp]

you played sin in ToS?

[knotty vapor]

yeah lmfao

i bottomed meters so bad

[nova kelp]

THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE sub raid

[knotty vapor]

it was hilarious

[nova kelp]

the one we STILL talk about?

[knotty vapor]

it was the one time I tried to play when assass was bad

and I still regret it

[nova kelp]

were you allergic to feeling like an anime protagonist?

[knotty vapor]

I literally just don't play the game when this spec isn't competitive

thankfully it's been fine for a couple xpac now

[oak tangle]

one is a number change, anotehr is searching spaghetti code

makes sense

[knotty vapor]

rip blasting off again, most fun guild I've ever been in

i wonder if whispyr remembers them

[nova kelp]

my tos days, I was legit the guy in the social nights with the "omae wa mou shindeiru" sound board attached to my death from above bind

[knotty vapor]

fellow kjer

[lusty kraken]

3 weeks since they fucked deathstalker with bugs they themselves introduced

[balmy condor]

also the people nerfing the reputation

are not the people fixing the bugs on rogue

those are separate teams obviously

[nova kelp]

what do you mean? YOU said we lost 80% of our aoe

lol

[balmy condor]

different teams, entirely different devs, with entirely different priorities

[astral current]

aint u dare ruining my illusive world

[nova kelp]

one of my guildies linked the kira thing where he was retelling your video points

it was quite funny

[balmy condor]

not being able to repeat numbers

is so based

[tawdry halo]

Whispyr is just playing the long game of deleting FOTM assa rogues from the discord

Pretty based

[knotty vapor]

im safe

[bleak sun]

🙁

[knotty vapor]

holy

yummers

[nova kelp]

I just dont get why peeps take casual conversation points so hard core as purist gospel sometimes from a stream

[knotty vapor]

i got a fucking antenna from normal mode today and it sims higher than my 723 pacemaker

like

bro

come on

[somber sparrow]

well it drops a lot of crit on the ground

[knotty vapor]

i refuse to use it, not taking the ilvl hit

number not allowed to go down

[somber sparrow]

number go down, but numbers go up

[knotty vapor]

REFUSE

[nova kelp]

serious question

has anyone else leveled their brann to 100?

[knotty vapor]

mine hit 51 today

delves are stoopid

[somber sparrow]

i do delves for gilded crests but not much else

[nova kelp]

I don't know, what happens to this dude between 99 to 100 but he gains ALL the aggro

he needs serious counselling

like

he suddenly got so angry at everything that moves it's insane

he's like asura or some shit

[somber sparrow]

do you use him as dps or heals

[nova kelp]

heals

[knotty vapor]

everyone should come to kil'jaeden cuz we got shit like this

thank u gracesaved

[nova kelp]

this mother fucker is stealthing with me, I hit one thing, and he SPRINTS DOWN THE HALL WAY SHOOTING EVERYHTING

bois like "I'm a fuckign action hero baby"

https://tenor.com/view/started-blasting-gun-eyeglasses-so-anyway-i-started-blasting-gif-16955226

[somber sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/leeroy-gif-348771154449152640

brann is leeroy reincarnated

[nova kelp]

it's not like isolated either

ever since he hit 100

he's been at peak super saiyan 3 for weeks

[runic hinge]

One bug fix and they’ll come seagulling back

[tawdry halo]

Got my and reacts ready to go

[oak tangle]

inb4 bugs are actuall gaslight

[nova kelp]

he even leans on a wall... FORWARDS
like a fucking psychopath

[runic hinge]

I don’t care about singular focus being bugged with caustic cause I’m not playing deathstalker in raid

Hehe

Except bleed build on soul hunters but I mean whatever

[knotty vapor]

u dont run deathstalker on binder?

[runic hinge]

Nah

[knotty vapor]

bro u hit 1 fat envenom on the first 2 adds and your damage explodes

[runic hinge]

I’m raiding heroic and the adds evaporate

[knotty vapor]

its so satisfying

same lmao

but half my guild quit when they announced 1button so we got pugs and our dps sucks now

😄

[runic hinge]

Ahh. Yeah idk I don’t think the adds last more than 4 globals for me

[knotty vapor]

its mostly for the big add phase in the middle

if you save cds for it you get at least a few big splashes

[runic hinge]

I just play fatebound and let everyone else kill adds.

[knotty vapor]

thats not very parsemaxxer damagechad of u

[runic hinge]

Maybe next tier

[rotund oak]

https://tenor.com/blfue.gif

lul

[frozen iris]

Right before first intermission on plexus our cold blood kingsbane is up. Do we hold or send it?

[nova kelp]

when you say right before, how far away is the shield??

[normal prairie]

guys i have a question, shiv normally lasts 8 seconds. With the 2-piece Deathstalker set it still lasts 8 seconds, and with the 4-piece set it lasts 11 seconds. how?

[waxen oyster]

m logic gate alpha acquired

if we get m prism this week not sending though

[golden loom]

Well try to read the 4 set haha

[normal prairie]

in german its all the same 2set and 4 set

[golden loom]

Oh

[coral ibex]

german translation problem

[normal prairie]

haha ok

[coral ibex]

the 4p effect is that shiv is longer duration

[waxen oyster]

Put that shit in chatgpt

[nova kelp]

that sounds very inneficient for german

[waxen oyster]

to translate

[coral ibex]

i did hear about this

[normal prairie]

this is german all the same

[coral ibex]

lol

ye

[oak tangle]

NEIN GUT

[waxen oyster]

billion dollar company btw

[normal prairie]

ahh shiat thanks hahah

[waxen oyster]

cant hire a proper localization

[nova kelp]

nine gut? as opposed to a five pack? six pack?

[waxen oyster]

Reminds me of funny shit like yugioh cards

getting more op in english

because the translation is alot more open

to interpretation

[normal prairie]

thanks

[nova kelp]

five pack
sick pack
8 pack
NEIN GUT

[coral ibex]

debated taking chest vs legs in vault, decided it was more likely i get chest drop and then i got the chest drop in raid

im so big

[nova kelp]

sweet mog ngl

[coral ibex]

thanks

it goes hard as male pandaren too

[nova kelp]

ew

[waxen oyster]

nooj racechange

[nova kelp]

I used to use tmorph PURELY to remove pandaren from the game

I turned them all in to 1 option everything human males

[coral ibex]

im a damage whore now

[runic hinge]

Double on use kinda stinky

[coral ibex]

yea i was on sub for nk prog

swapped to assa to screenshot the tier

[runic hinge]

Yuck

[coral ibex]

the only yuck is how bad i am at sub

[nova kelp]

human sims higher than mag'har for me

[golden loom]

Human stays winning

[runic hinge]

Real

[runic hinge]

What about the sanguine blades double benefit bug they haven’t touched

[balmy condor]

or fatebound coins giving cp

[waxen oyster]

for fb yeah

[nova kelp]

one night, while working in the restaurant, this dude comes in and sits in the corner, he never really orders too much or brings a crowd but still, we want him to have a good time.
anyway, mid way through his meal I notice his side plate has a crack on it. I go over and replace his plate.
unfortunately, while doing this I just like shatter the top of his class and knock the fork off the table.
I run back to the kitchen to replace them, and chef says, you good, they can wait, as I look back in and he's drinking from a broken glass.

Things feel different since we got bought out by blizz

[waxen oyster]

sub surprisingly maghar is the best

even though it doesnt align with every set

[coral ibex]

yea also i would have to go alliance

wtf

loktar mf

[nova kelp]

alliance bis

you ever seen some alliance overzealous loon try to take over the world?

based side

[coral ibex]

no because they have no fucking ambition

[waxen oyster]

I think usually human or dwarf sims highest

[coral ibex]

only ambitious alliance guy ever turned into LK tho

so you do have that

[waxen oyster]

most classes near an end tier

[onyx pond]

do we go for other enchants now? Or still council's guile?

[coral ibex]

human and maghar sim within margin of error for me on assa but mag is way better for sub

and im playing both

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fKzrzu3VapidiuAEhozcVP

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vxsL1SSvdqq2GbDiAefkD6

[waxen oyster]

Yeah being a prism gamer might afgect it

wtf 5.3

[coral ibex]

ye im rather large atm

3x723 in the big slots

[nova kelp]

human sims better for my sub too...

huh

uh not that it matters, I'm on oce, everyones aliliance anyway

[waxen oyster]

i have no pants

[coral ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iF8DvpgWcT1jTdofZJSwMQ

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tX5AroWKfdwY7m28KwHAv4

[marsh fjord]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/e7wiB2qwdYCaSWmJBzFK6n

My mythic lily sims that i just got from the vault is better then my 710 netherprism

lets goooooooo

[nova kelp]

5 min fight

[marsh fjord]

yeah most bosses are 5 minutes

[nova kelp]

sorry

that was MEANT to have a ? on the end

[marsh fjord]

Yes

5 minut fight

[nova kelp]

you answered that version anyway

[marsh fjord]

😄

[nova kelp]

no I was just explaining myself

[marsh fjord]

deja

[nova kelp]

coz it sounded like I was giving you shit

[marsh fjord]

you are confusing me

😄

love you tho

[nova kelp]

"5 MIN FIGHT BRO, FUCK YOU"

[marsh fjord]

but confusing the heck out of me

[oak tangle]

holy shit

lfr dimensius

kekw

[nova kelp]

is it better now?

[oak tangle]

no

[nova kelp]

or still the hardest fight in wow history

[oak tangle]

FUCKING PROT PALLY #3 DPS

[coral ibex]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1277307493470568510/1411770180010512384/1411743575783510026remix-1756662635890.png?ex=68c1ba70&is=68c068f0&hm=74174d0e85472aecae58326fb4a58afe3c3518ef764a580ee715ecd2ae9d4950&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=972&height=1224

[hearty seal]

speak of the devil
myth pacemaker
and myth gloves
well, that's not terrible, I can work with that...

[oak tangle]

all this for a 50% buff on mana oil

[knotty vapor]

yay finally cleared 5m

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nxTYsYmzLYB9DMJAxAArQ5

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-cute-go-cheering-rage-gif-16641949

[knotty vapor]

sim went crazy and made me stack crit, I got 44% rn

[marsh fjord]

Kinda crazy

that you are same item level as me

[nova kelp]

it's so dumb how such an insanely unimportant number can feel so good

[marsh fjord]

but im 100k higher

[lyric vale]

where is the healer?

[knotty vapor]

probs just better stats

I'm not bis

[marsh fjord]

eah im not bis either bro

XD

[oak tangle]

raid fight not m+

[lyric vale]

oh sry

[knotty vapor]

i have a feeling 44% crit isn't optimal but i does as the thingy says

[marsh fjord]

i have 42%

[lyric vale]

btw no prism this week too

[marsh fjord]

💀

[lyric vale]

peak life

[waxen oyster]

currently 711

ig maghar is 20k?

[knotty vapor]

i guess i just got bad stats lmao

[waxen oyster]

no

its probably the lack of mythic helm

[cyan summit]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.

• Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
• Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
• Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results

[waxen oyster]

high ilvl on slots like bracers

[nova kelp]

just say what I say to my guildies
it's probably a lack of mythic NUTS

[waxen oyster]

is not as signficant as high on helm

[knotty vapor]

yeah that makes sense i guess

[waxen oyster]

neck is not a bad slot but likely still smaller

[knotty vapor]

legs are only 707 too, just got them

[waxen oyster]

no way a 704 belt outsims disc

[knotty vapor]

no joke it does

by like 0.5%

[waxen oyster]

weird

[knotty vapor]

i was surprised too

[buoyant herald]

Aight which one of you just posted that thesis to reddit

[waxen oyster]

723 of that belt only wins by 8k

[main monolith]

assa st is poor? or am i the bad one?

[nova kelp]

???

[knotty vapor]

idk man I just put on the gear it told me to

[tawdry halo]

In m+ or raid?

[main monolith]

m+

[tawdry halo]

It’s not going to top but you should be doing ok

[rotund oak]

pretty averagein m+ yeah

[tawdry halo]

Better if tank pulls ads for funnel in boss fights

[buoyant herald]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/2STdpivbyU

[nova kelp]

WHAT THE FUCK

[main monolith]

in the last bos of dawnbreaker , i hit almost the same as the tank

[buoyant herald]

🍿

[main monolith]

[nova kelp]

That is an actual fucking novel

[knotty vapor]

holy fucking wall

i aint readin all dat

[nova kelp]

holy shit I'm getting chat gpt to summarise that

sec

[knotty vapor]

dude

i was aboutta say that

lmao

The player addresses Realz, the Rogue class designer, expressing frustration at the current state of Rogues since patch 10.2.7. Across all content—raids, Mythic+, and PvP—the class is underperforming, with all three specs suffering from weak single-target damage, clunky mechanics, and lack of group desirability.

Assassination: Lost AoE strength after nerfs and bug fixes; extremely poor single-target damage; requires stealth resets that waste time.

Subtlety: High complexity with punishing mechanics; completely overshadowed by Fury Warrior, which offers more damage and utility.

Outlaw: Exhausting to play, limited by an eight-target cap, bugged Blade Flurry, and weak single-target.

The writer, a Chinese server player, highlights that Rogues face both gameplay disadvantages and widespread discrimination in group content. Even when outperforming others in AoE, their single-target weakness causes group failures, leading to exclusion from raids and Mythic+ groups.

They stress that Rogue players are now one of the smallest populations in the game and plead with Realz to stop ignoring the issue and urgently rework or buff the class.

Would you like me to make this summary shorter and punchier (like a TL;DR for forums), or keep it at this structured breakdown level?```

thank u mr gippity

[buoyant herald]

Hold on I need ChatGPT to summarise that too

[bronze pike]

mafic?

[waxen oyster]

if you're competing with the tank thats a skill issue

also that guy really called rally

damage reduction

?????

[nova kelp]

dude that fucking thread

no wait

[bronze pike]

im not making a reddit account for this

this is

fucking

[nova kelp]

I need to actually take a day off work and read it

[bronze pike]

stupid

[nova kelp]

I wonder if he's cooking

[tawdry halo]

This guy is so chronically online

[buoyant herald]

Cooking meth maybe

[nova kelp]

did you read it?

[buoyant herald]

Absolutely not

[buoyant herald]

I read like half the first paragraph

[bronze pike]

tossic

tossic whispy strikes again'

[knotty vapor]

LMAO WAS BOUTTA POST THAT

HAHAHA

[oak tangle]

WE KNOW WHO IT IS ROFL

[tawdry halo]

Can’t believe whispyr called the Chinese guy a monkey smh

[oak tangle]

I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HIM

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[knotty vapor]

@balmy condor cmon bro kinda rude

[balmy condor]

oh it's this fucking idiot again

[waxen oyster]

who is it

[knotty vapor]

lmaoooo

[waxen oyster]

lmao

[balmy condor]

complaining about m+ ST

[nova kelp]

I mean... like
so here's the thing
I'm not remotely approaching that full read coz fuck that
but the summarised notes that gpt gave me aren't TERRIBLE

[bronze pike]

why you toxic whispur

[bronze pike]

dude needs to invest in the tab button

cause this shit is irreadable

[knotty vapor]

i got a reply, how exciting

[knotty vapor]

puttin this on the fridge

[balmy condor]

cause he pinged me at 2am in response to a conversation from hours prior about raid single target, made me go and get raid numbers showing that assa was fine

and then he went "M+ ST"

[nova kelp]

omg

it's the same dude?

[balmy condor]

yes

[bronze pike]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

it's that guy

[nova kelp]

HAHAHAHAHA

FUCK

[red schooner]

Gotta be

[oak tangle]

first line of the first actual paragraph

"In this season’s raid content, all three Rogue specializations have performed poorly."

just fucking straight up lies

[red schooner]

Dude was saying sin in m+ was embarrassing

And its like

[balmy condor]

yeh just deadass wrong

[red schooner]

We're pretty good rn

[tawdry halo]

A one man clown fiesta Jesus

[knotty vapor]

this was defs written by chatgpt

[balmy condor]

I tried to convince him of that

but he did not like that

[nova kelp]

yeah like I say, the summarised notes aren't TERRIBLE but when you start plugging in context things get... shadey

[red schooner]

OH GOD THE GUY FROM YESTERDAY IS THE OP OF THE THREAD

I thought it was just a commenter

[knotty vapor]

"whispyr call me MONKEY" gotta be an all time classic tho fr

[red schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-scared-afraid-dead-fan-gif-23609857

[buoyant herald]

More upvotes for that comment imo

[nova kelp]

WHAT

hahahhaa

I'm dying

[haughty flicker]

can this be a sticker

[buoyant herald]

I need that as my flair

[oak tangle]

in my country calling people monkeys is lowkey racist

[buoyant herald]

In my country it’s kinda high key racist

[knotty vapor]

yeah nah its defs just racist asf depending on the context lol

but not in this context

[balmy condor]

what kinda countries y'all living in

[nova kelp]

I think in a lot of asian countries it's a shade on the "da fuq you say bruv?" side

[oak tangle]

i love that there is an upside down version of that

[balmy condor]

for my kangaroo fuckers out there

[waxen oyster]

#assassination message

[knotty vapor]

its not usually racist when using it against asians

[balmy condor]

love the homies where the toilet bowl swirls the other way around

[haughty flicker]

whispyr not beating the allegations

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-kangaroo-fight-gif-18196851

[waxen oyster]

im surprised someone from chinese servers

has pronouns in bio

ima bfr

[buoyant herald]

Whispyr call me KANGAROO FUCKER 😞

[waxen oyster]

they dont do that shit over there

[knotty vapor]

okay but do u?

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-kangaroo-kick-box-australia-wasted-gif-11729999

more liek this

[buoyant herald]

Not anymore

[nova kelp]

dude, no shit that would fucking ruin your day

[knotty vapor]

im canadian, nobody asked but i like saying it sometimes

:3

[waxen oyster]

idk if that guy is from chinese servers

[nova kelp]

those things are solid as shit

[waxen oyster]

lowkey sounds like a troll

[oak tangle]

roos jump infront of cars for fun

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-get-lost-get-outta-here-go-fly-a-kite-skedaddle-gif-27390955

[tawdry halo]

Didn’t realise it was that guy from yesterday

[knotty vapor]

not a chance, he's doing fake engrish so badly in the comments

[oak tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/so-close-accident-kangaroo-gif-7909338

[knotty vapor]

but its funny as fuck so w/e

[high dust]

If only I had a guild to push mythic raid...damn that trinket choice.

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-monkeys-hello-monkeys-frieza-dragon-ball-gif-20095908

whispyr

[knotty vapor]

pacemaker is ass balls now sadly

[oak tangle]

man i hate english, puerta logica just sounds so much cooler

[high dust]

is it? damn

[knotty vapor]

sort of

a lot of stuff out-sims it even at lower ilvl

i have a 723 rn and 704 antenna beats it

[waxen oyster]

just look at the discord profile

looks like a troll

[high dust]

fml then lmao

[waxen oyster]

its less pacemaker is ass

more that antenna is overtuned

[knotty vapor]

yeah it is

[high dust]

that makes sense too

tbf im tempted to pick those pants

cause i still have champion track ones

[knotty vapor]

myth track tier

that's what i did today lol

i had garbage vault aside from that

[high dust]

even without tier, already have 4 pc but shit tier-less pants

[unborn rain]

lol did u guys see the reddit post

[high dust]

lmao...the sims tell me to go araz's

[haughty flicker]

araz is a pretty good trinket

for deathstalker

[spring needle]

Would you take boots or shoulders? Already got HC boots and HC shoulders. Sims equal in ST with FB, 0,4% higher for boots in M+ hmm 🤔 Already did Soul Hunters, and no loot, again

[waxen oyster]

hc what boots

[high dust]

It feels bad chosing an hc trinket instead of myth stuff tho

[nova kelp]

forget the track, think of the dam

[oak tangle]

40% cloak effect is pretty good

[waxen oyster]

yeah if you dont have reshii

you get reshii

[spring needle]

Yeah I dont

Sadge

[nova kelp]

if you don't have reshii, you get reshii

for sure

[boreal mist]

bleed build still our go to?

[oak tangle]

why sadge

[high dust]

on M+ yeah

[nova kelp]

more damage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> track feelycraft

[waxen oyster]

@haughty flicker rate the name

[unborn rain]

lol

[haughty flicker]

mine is better but i respect the hustle

[high dust]

but it's not like it's gonna be making wonders

[balmy condor]

🐒 📱

[high dust]

pants and peacemaker are myth track, the rest hero track...

[nova kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-monkeys-hello-monkeys-frieza-dragon-ball-gif-20095908

[unborn rain]

im amazed esl homie wrote an entire essay on rogue ngl

[balmy condor]

the craziest thing here

is that all 3 rogue specs

are represented

on the first page of r.io

like the top 40 keys in the world

you can find all 3 rogue specs right now

[unborn rain]

class discrimination

[balmy condor]

and he's losing his marbles about how unplayable rogue is

[unborn rain]

brother go outside lmfaoo

[oak tangle]

100% this guy has deepseeked the post

[nova kelp]

ok ok ok, to put a different spin on his unhinged ramblings though

our THROUGHPUT atm is actually good, great even really

but our issues do exist within the realms of his extremely filtered points

especially the monkey one

[oak tangle]

"The root cause lies in the Mythic+ environment, where talents like Precision Shot, Crimson Tempest, Serial Slaughter, and Sanguine Scent consume five specialization talent points but contribute minimally to single-target scenarios."

I have never heard of these

[onyx pond]

is this what he wrote on the post?

[oak tangle]

"he" i dont think so, the ai bot he got to write it yes

[unborn rain]

he got benched and he cried lmfaooo

[onyx pond]

do we have his parses? maybe they are shiet themselves thats why they benched him

[hollow void]

Is that actually the guy from yesterday omfg lol

[nova kelp]

I wonder what the break down of real life events was for him here

like

he got sat

stewed on it

[unborn rain]

he got benched for a second fury warrior and he complains about warriors

[nova kelp]

he got rejected from a handful of keys

stewed on it

tried to come and ttalk in the disc

[oak tangle]

this all started with him thinking the singular focus bug was costing him 10mil dps on the MOMMA boss

[onyx pond]

fury on paper should do more st than us

[nova kelp]

got berrated and called a monkey despite being completely innocent of any wrongdoing

and then took his explosion to reddit

[unborn rain]

dear realz lmfaoo

[onyx pond]

but he is designed to do that. Fury is already gimped spec. If fury couldnt even do good st they would close their dc too

[frozen iris]

Is realz even our dev anymore?

[nova kelp]

I don't think we have a DEV dev specifically

[oak tangle]

"Subtlety’s Deceiver and Danse Macabre talents introduce an absurd level of operational difficulty" BAHAHAHA TIL MACABRE IS OBSCENE DIFFICULTY

[unborn rain]

haha

[frozen iris]

I havent seen his name around in quite sometime

[oak tangle]

that talent where you dont think about it and just press buttons in a set order, absurdly difficult

[high dust]

wait what happened on reddit? who lost its marbles?

[hollow void]

On the other hand i do hope we get some sort of rework in midnight

Or update even

[onyx pond]

i hope for bugs to get fixed. Nothing more

[unborn rain]

"Let’s break down each specialization and analyze why."

[hollow void]

We can always hope lol

[nova kelp]

there are class changes I'd like to see, in a wishlist sorta lens

but all I WANT right now are bug fixes

[onyx pond]

he didnt even bother to make it not look complete chatgpt prompted

[unborn rain]

"sublety is at yhe bottom of the pack"

[frozen iris]

Agreed. I like the current spec outside of bugs and would love a Change to Deathstalkers mark.

[hollow void]

And more m+ single target dmg

[oak tangle]

it makes me sad that people are aggreeing in the comments of the post

[unborn rain]

yeah

[oak tangle]

the world is just rejecting truthful data and going on feels

[unborn rain]

"whispyr called me monkey and the rogue discord sucks"

"Assassination: This spec was briefly a top contender in Season 1, favored by a small group of elite players for its complex rotation yielding high AoE potential. "

[frozen iris]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-donkey-idiot-bitch-gif-4653529

[nova kelp]

imagine getting harrassed by the catboi channel in the disc...

[frozen iris]

Just replace donkey with monkey

[high dust]

[onyx pond]

yeah instead of a mark i would like a buff on us. Once the target dies or i need to change targets its not nice for us

[oak tangle]

season 1 we all loved DS, the main issue was fatebound being utterly useless, i think it is fairly balanced in that fb is now the go to ST build,

i think theyve done well

[nova kelp]

I mean...

I didn't like ds s1

moving the mark was still dog

[frozen iris]

I just wish we could apply it without vanish

[nova kelp]

but I also sit in a different category whenever I'm talking class stuff, I'm almost exclusively NEVER talking about throughput

[oak tangle]

they are so close, just slap it on shiv

make the tier set remove 1 stack like it does now, or apply it if it isnt there

they want it to be homogenous to sub, but sub has dance

[onyx pond]

sub doesnt even use it though cause trickster is better for them

[nova kelp]

imo dance in the class tree was better

but also not coz it did homogenise things more

but gameplay wise it just felt more flowy

[tawdry halo]

DS was absolutely dogshit on silken court in S1

[oak tangle]

dont we get double vanish for it though?

[tawdry halo]

Losing my mark to intermission

[oak tangle]

wasn't that the swap?

dance out WaT in

[unborn rain]

As a player and consumer, I demand immediate action to address this situation.

[high dust]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cHGTpbHomj3FjNM6JK9tNC

...ok i simmed on patchwerk before, on dungeon slice it sims me better to pick pants lmao.

[desert crest]

Damm jaster diamond is crazy

[high dust]

still sims higher even tho it was 665 yeah...

[balmy condor]

aight I'm gonna cook this fool

[high dust]

i should spam halls to get the one there

[high dust]

damn pls

[haughty flicker]

you already did

monkey

[runic hinge]

hi monkies xoxo

[shrewd night]

Ima be honest

As funny as the meme is, get it out of your system now and don't let it become a thing.

[haughty flicker]

well that didnt take long

[frozen iris]

How’s whispyr gonna cook. He gonna hit the Reddit comments with a Hiya?

[balmy wing]

Does sub become better than assa at a certain key? Seing lots of sub in top charts and not sure why

[tepid meadow]

getting the double proc from 4pc is so stacked

[oak tangle]

if you compress the pulls into subs cd's it probs helps a bunch

[tepid meadow]

its just crazy that its still a thing

[cunning needle]

OOK OOOOK OOOK

ook oook ooook oooooook

[nova kelp]

most tend to think of it more like sub good for streets and dawn, otherwise bleed
it's not a key level thing, it's a profile thing

but really

just be a chad and go full bleed

all the time

it won't hurt you

[balmy wing]

Haha I c 😂

[tepid meadow]

deathmark btw

[soft robin]

What do people like better, Netherprism or Araz for M+? Looks like more are running Netherprism, but Nether is better for Raid Single I think?

(My point being they are more likely to have nether so it might not neccesarily be better for M+)

[tepid meadow]

prism is definitely better for keys imo

[bronze pike]

its not worth it

all the good replies are being downvoted to oblivion

[balmy condor]

yah well, welcome to reddit

[bronze pike]

so you can post multiple logs showing how good sin is, it gets downvoted like that one guy

i know

thats why i dont have a plebbit account

[runic hinge]

It can’t be that I’m bad at rogue! It must be rogue is a bad class!

[radiant snow]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[runic hinge]

Close all discord

And Reddit

And Facebook

MySpace can stay

[visual sun]

all ass rogues resource gonna be ported to mirc faqs

[buoyant herald]

oh shit he really did hit him with the hiya

[wide flare]

friends, one question. Did something happen with raidbots? I have simed -150k dps less than a few days ago even though the parameters had been the same. Maybe the bugs have been fixed?

[balmy condor]

sounds like you simmed with different buffs or messed up your belt

[spare lodge]

@balmy condor someone told me we need to shut down the class discord for Blizzard to bug fix us. Is this true? If so, when can I expect a shutdown?

[balmy condor]

W bait

[analog field]

where is this Reddit post? I found one 2 months ago is that it?

[buoyant herald]

its not really that exciting, just a forum post in reddit form, honestly aside from a few incorrect things his overall point isn't bad, it's just attracting a bit of ridicule because he addressed it to "the rogue dev" which just is not really a thing

but it'll probably spawn some decent memes

[wide flare]

belt is fine and I have simmed the same way like before but I'll continue to search for the mistake I did, thx^^

[balmy condor]

link the sim

before/after if possible

I can take al ook

had someone say something similar earlier today

[red schooner]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/2STdpivbyU

[balmy condor]

that's the last time we're going to mention that post

[buoyant herald]

🤔

[balmy condor]

we don't need to dwell on it

[buoyant herald]

aight aight last one i promise

[balmy condor]

there's enough slop on reddit if you're interested in the discourse

[oak tangle]

trying to work out if typo or intentional

[balmy condor]

ook

[sick scarab]

guys the delve betl is already nerfed ?

[red schooner]

Hell yeah, got the final say about that post

[red schooner]

Not yet

[balmy condor]

no

[red schooner]

11.2.5

[sick scarab]

ah.. so.. mm dunno what to do wiht gilded..

was thinkling to craft belt and gg

[autumn prism]

Just read notes, when will blizzard fix assa bugs

i beg

[sick scarab]

m8 did you recovered your hope btw ?

[balmy condor]

my hope?

[sick scarab]

y on rogue fix etc 🙂

[balmy condor]

[runic hinge]

Whispyr only hopes I send him toe pics

[balmy condor]

it'll happen when it happens

there's nothing to hope or doom about

we do a little less in m+ and a little more in raid

[red schooner]

I just want the fatebound tier bug to be fixed. Anything else is meh.

[balmy condor]

when they fix it we'll do a little more in m+ and a little less in raid

[red schooner]

But randomly not having cooldown reduction isn't fun

[knotty forge]

Tbf if we dont get buffs and/or rework

Midnighr without prism

Yikes for sub

Perfect dopamine trinket

[balmy condor]

I mean, tuning

new spec talents

new hero talents

it'll be fine, like always

[knotty forge]

I think guy from reddit

[boreal arrow]

hi, when you sim antenna, you sim it at 100% or 15% ?

[balmy condor]

we're not discussing the reddit post

[balmy condor]

15% miss is fine

[knotty forge]

Has pov of rogues parsing 40-85

And u guys dont agree cuz u 95+

[boreal arrow]

ty

[red schooner]

Things are fine as they are now I just die inside whenever I don't get the tier set to work

[balmy condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/44?metric=bossdps&dataset=40

[knotty forge]

Exactly sub outlaw on st

Bit low no?

[balmy condor]

they are below average yes

[knotty forge]

On mythix plex sub outlaw lowest

Of all

So u either play assa to be average+

Or rip

[balmy condor]

and yet, every race to world first comp played sub

so it's clearly viable

like idk

there's so many things you can complain about regarding rogue

[knotty forge]

But race has different rules and want different things, lower overall ilvl, bit of no info on bis talents. And they want to Just kill boss.

[bronze pike]

yall focus to much on damage

[knotty forge]

While normalny people wonna Zug big dmg

[balmy condor]

"muh damage" is so low on the totem pole

[bronze pike]

yes sub and outlaw is bellow average

but

it means nothing

cause tuning happens

and tuning will happen

not to mention rogue sees play still in highkeys and wfr raid

[balmy condor]

also are you implying that they don't know what the best talents are during the race?

[knotty forge]

I Just wish more people would get to enjoy highs of rogue

[bronze pike]

like instead of focusing on damage, maybe we can redirect that energy to something productive like fatebound and deathstalker being ass in its own ways

[knotty forge]

Cuz its awesome clas

[runic hinge]

They should put some effort in

[analog field]

I mean someone has to be in these spots. It is a Ranking and someone has to be last etc

[red schooner]

Fill that spot with mages

[analog field]

So everytime a spec is last someone has to close a discord or write 10 paragraphs of Reddit?

[bronze pike]

accurate

[balmy condor]

welcome to 2025, yes

[knotty forge]

People who put that effort into outlaw [no wa midnight] feel scammed a bit,

[balmy condor]

sadly the precedent has been set that way

[bronze pike]

thats another thing, you can hit 90%+ percentile of outlaw without much weakauras

[knotty forge]

Also, i wish easy specs low dps hard specs big dps

[bronze pike]

so idk why people think its weakaura dependent

[knotty forge]

Doesnt have to be rogue

[analog field]

The thing I hear the most as an argument is about the class fantasy in some way or some visuals etc. I 'd like that

[red schooner]

Sin in raid would be low as fuck DPS then

[knotty forge]

But destro fury marskmanship

Feel bad

[bronze pike]

like we shouldnt lobby for specs to become like ret and bm

we lost frost

and once the hype wears off, it'll be noticed hard how sucky it is to be a spec without a proper skill ceiling

[high dust]

for me class fantasy is fine, only crimson tempest seems..."off"

[oak tangle]

i personally don't see how deathstalker / trickster / fatebound are sustainable

unless we get new class fantasy hero talents regularly, they lose any form of fantasy / interest

[knotty forge]

People who start wow get overwhelmed by combo points

Now explaon them why they need backstab in 8s Window

Os Shadow dance

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