wait so do i take myth lily?
#assassination
hexed harbor
and then just get hero track tier?
im tempted to just go myth lily and see what tier gloves i can get from raid this week
main bridge
and then just get hero track tier?
you should have a catalyst charge which you could use to catalyze any hero gear from keys
zealous moth
^
main bridge
raid too obv so it would be pretty bad to take heroic tier from vault in that situation
coral ibex
are there some tipps for swampface ? like i could litterly cry
pull in some crabs
outer kernel
with the new renown buff we still use Council's Guile ?
hexed harbor
raid too obv so it would be pretty bad to take heroic tier from vault in that si...
its myth tier, and so is the lily
id just assume that the on use trinket would be better long term over a piece of tier
main bridge
so when you said "hero track tier" you meant "mythic tier" ?
runic basin
with the new renown buff we still use Council's Guile ?
why ?
main bridge
either way you don't have to assume you can just sim
hexed harbor
well i mean like grab the myth trinket from vault, and then if i get some kinda hero track gloves from keys or raid and use the catalyst charge
thats what i meant
hexed harbor
either way you don't have to assume you can just sim
right but the sims are saying grab the myth track tier gloves. because the gloves i have on right now are champion so im not sure its actually simming right if the talent tree is whats doing the work in the first place
hexed harbor
@main bridge here
main bridge
are you starting in DS and then choosing FB as the talent in the sim?
43% is enormous and it seems like a talent difference
main bridge
oh
hexed harbor
i mean yeah in game im specced as DS cause i be doin keys
severe meadow
god I love vault day
zealous moth
i was trying to explain the situation lol. so do i take myth trinket or no?
sim it my dude
unreal tide
The gifts keep on giving in this chat 
zealous moth
set the correct spec and gear and go ham
mint summit
hmmm, if you have lily + idol, which is better to use first in opener
zealous moth
depends a lot on what you play most, if you only do m+ you could end up having better stuff to take
unreal tide
hmmm, if you have lily + idol, which is better to use first in opener
Double on use 
mint summit
it's what i got
severe meadow
depends a lot on what you play most, if you only do m+ you could end up having b...
swap to a passive and don't worry about it
wrong reply
but guy sees it
mint summit
lol
severe meadow
double use is gross
lunar pond
take the trinket become the new Pirate Mod. My vault is the same shit, except a mythic sac and myth splicer dagger. They are all even with the chest being cata'd
hexed harbor
ok so basically, if im not specced right in game and try to sim for the opposite it doesnt sime properly?
zealous moth
if you are specced for m+ and try to sim for st your sim will be atrocious
you can do several sims at the same time so
fervent oak
Raidbots is telling me sigil is bis here which seems mega troll? Current trinkets are champ track lily and heroic araz forge
zealous moth
get a simc with your st spec and gear, run it and repeat for the res tof specs
lunar pond
double on use maybe throwing your sim off?
severe meadow
Raidbots is telling me sigil is bis here which seems mega troll? Current trinket...
passive trinket, better than 2 on use
zealous moth
ok so basically, if im not specced right in game and try to sim for the opposite...
run patchwerk for st and dungeon slice for m+, see what piece comes out on top and decide by yourself based on that
buoyant herald
Raidbots is telling me sigil is bis here which seems mega troll? Current trinket...
use lily+sigil for raid with 4pce, use araz with sigil in keys
2 on use bad for assass generally
lunar pond
i would 100% take the lily though and just farm a pacemaker or hope for an antenna
mint summit
isn't lily better than antenna? or am i mistaken
lunar pond
one is on use and the other is passive
mint summit
gotcha
crimson vector
in deathmark should i press my second shiv the global i have 1s left of shiv or the global shiv falls off
haughty flicker
as it falls off
shiv doesnt pandemic
so pressing it with 1s left just loses you a second of shiv
royal lantern
in deathmark should i press my second shiv the global i have 1s left of shiv or ...
asap when it falls off
crimson vector
ty!
whole snow
@balmy condor do you know the override IDs for radiant power depths etc etc
blazing karma
Does wound poison work on nexus king?
royal lantern
no
and even if, you would not do it
cus like 12 specs apply mortal wounds by default
lunar pond
warrior job lol
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> do you know the override IDs for radiant power depths etc ...
not off-hand, what's the use case for this?
whole snow
To see what the % gain is for the renown buff
balmy condor
hm
waxen oyster
warrior job lol
doesnt hunter pet apply it
waxen oyster
can't you get a hyena
balmy condor
but realistically, buffing enchants by 50% (considering they won't be bugged)
balmy condor
the issue here is that it simply makes the secondary stat ones even more oppressive compared to depths/power
haughty flicker
less ugly than bugs
balmy condor
depths/power sucks ass, and if you buff them all by 50%, it doesn't actually "change" anything
it just simply makes the already good enchants better
royal lantern
hardmode actually paid off, wow
royal lantern
heroic->mythic legs 
royal lantern
doesnt hunter pet apply it
and ww monks with their basic rotation
and iirc dk OR warlock aswell
humble verge
almost managed to fix all my logs
golden loom
and ww monks with their basic rotation
Havoc can also swap a defensive node for it
main bridge
almost managed to fix all my logs
They would be 100 parses if you were locked in 
humble verge
these numbers are a bit low for mythic
true
coral ibex
heroic is balls
humble verge
They would be 100 parses if you were locked in <a:smh:1251635006833688596>
i was doing a boost
main bridge
boost this
humble verge
boost my nuts
main bridge
upper spear
anyone need a BIS trinket? I got a few extra
waxen oyster
thats not a forge
earnest remnant
onyx coyote
what is our soft mastery cap? I have 67% at moment and raidbots is saying to take a high vers ring to drop it to 58%
last skiff
main bridge
what is our soft mastery cap? I have 67% at moment and raidbots is saying to tak...
the whole point of sims is so you don't have to think about stuff like this
you just sim top gear and equip what it says without ever thinking about stats
hearty seal
actually
when did sims start? I feel like it went beyond like, excel sheets somewhere around WoD or Legion?
main bridge
not sure exactly but they've been around a long time
onyx coyote
think i used mr robot in mists
balmy condor
shadowcraft has excited since the before times
modern simulationcraft has been a thing since mop/wod
hearty seal
shadowcraft has excited since the before times
oof that feels like something cobwebbed has just stirred
sly spoke
lads do we swap disc belt for a myth one w good stats or is it still BiS
hearty seal
lads do we swap disc belt for a myth one w good stats or is it still BiS
sim it
but also generally yes (in fact, a 710 hero belt can outdo DISC for assa)
sly spoke
damn
hearty seal
I think I can replace my DISC with a 710 I have had at 704 since week 1
for like
5k gain
unreal tide
lads do we swap disc belt for a myth one w good stats or is it still BiS
Even if its not better now, might be worth holding onto for the .5 patch when nerf hits
shy heron
modern simulationcraft has been a thing since mop/wod
I remember getting my spreadsheets from shadowcraft š“
waxen oyster
i mean that nerf is dumb
onyx coyote
i miss shadowcraft they always simmed better than robot
waxen oyster
by the time it rolls around you should have a myth belt
sly spoke
Even if its not better now, might be worth holding onto for the .5 patch when n...
just simmed new belt at 723 and got .5% we ballin
onyx coyote
that and getting sheets for tbc/wrath from shadowpanther
hearty seal
by the time it rolls around you should have a myth belt
it's for people for whom DISC still does better than myth
waxen oyster
Ya'll talking some ancient tongue
hearty seal
I heard a hunter buddy complaining about something like that
hearty seal
don't fucking remind me, this week I don't have my M+ premade guys with me
so I spent the evening queueing for 12s by myself
literally got to play less than sitting in queue
like I get why Rogue doesn't have either BR or BL
but I've used Shroud a grand total of 2 times this season, and nobody gives a shit about Numbing
meanwhile mage motherfuckers
- BL
- lots of strong on demand CC
- still does excellent damage
tight oracle
i use shroud on CD
royal lantern
TBF, nobody gives a shit about numbing cus nobody knows it exists/what it does
hearty seal
well, yes
numbing is good
but I feel like by now, Rogue utility is so low, only War can compete (no numbing, but Shockwave is pretty strong and Rallying is...ok it mostly just exists, can't really call it a point for War)
waxen oyster
Mage
royal lantern
like, just look at raids 
waxen oyster
finding a mage that doesnt do tank damage
royal lantern
you hit boss because there is nothing else you can do
on one side its chill
but also, cant really help with mechanics and just watch them happen
hearty seal
finding a mage that doesnt do tank damage
one of my pals plays arcane
if he doesn't die, he does great
royal lantern
the only thing rogue really provides in a raidteam is "you kinda dont die"
which IS valuable, but ye
hearty seal
yeah but people never think about it
royal lantern
unless they're pepega
you just said dk?
waxen oyster
i mean dk doesnt really die unless you try to
hearty seal
but basically
kinda wish they'd give Rogue something
like what's the idea even
hearty seal
oh right, I remember, they think Cheap Shot is a real skill people use
(outside of PvP)
hearty seal
it works and it works pretty well
if you don't have anyone else with -healing
(or if you don't trust them to think about it)
latent kernel
Yeah honestly wound poison isnāt that bad in all dungeons tbh
orchid spear
wait doesn't it replace deadly tho
hearty seal
it's bad because deadly is much better
orchid spear
^
hearty seal
but for that single fight you can suck it up because cutting the fucker's healing in half is worth more than the damage you lose
main bridge
holup are we really recommending WOUND POISON as ASSASSINATION ROGUES?
latent kernel
Weird it sims higher for me
main bridge
i don't believe that
hearty seal
ye
golden loom
U dont use it ever
coral ibex
Weird it sims higher for me
literally impossible
hearty seal
(like literally healing a billion potentially in that fight, IIRC)
in which case any personal DPS loss is offset by the sheer fact he doesn't heal a couple hundred mil
crude helm
no netherprisim in vault again, do i end it all?
waxen oyster
just get it in raid
crude helm
needs to drop first
hearty seal
feeling really optimistic about vault tomorrow
which is to say
"M+ slots suck ass, but somehow I'll be saved from socket week by heroic Reshii boots dropping (and then they'll drop from soulhunters ten hours later and there will be literally nobody but me to take them anyway)"
golden loom
I can feel the myth prism or myth soul hunter boots cooking in my vault
waxen oyster
i mean, good also for sub since your best myth rings for sub are that or the dawnbreaker ring
waxen oyster
or logic alpha, unless you got money to dunk on an entropy
hearty seal
Yeah but what about greater heal in priory
kick it
ffs
just kick it
like it's not hard
fallow canopy
at this point the ragebait is kinda obvious no
hearty seal
dunno
royal lantern
like it's not hard
yeha, but i am 
hearty seal
I'm lowkey mad anyway so I'll be baited as fuck
fallow canopy
yeha, but i am <:dracthyr_blush:1002454114967490590>
waxen oyster
chat i only have 15k mast as sin is it joever
latent kernel
Weird bc greater heal heals for a lot
waxen oyster
random stream told me you need to stack infinite mastery
latent kernel
Especially on mini boss
waxen oyster
hearty seal
chat i only have 15k mast as sin is it joever
yes
you must jork it harder
velvet pier
|| not a clickbait title from kiratank ||
waxen oyster
I generally take tank opinions with a grain of salt
hearty seal
assa 30% overall nerfed from bugs
dead specā¢
dead classā¢
dead seasonā¢
dead gameā¢
royal lantern
dead specā¢
dead classā¢
dead seasonā¢
dead gameā¢
damm, dead space games had some weird sequels
hearty seal
they get forced into the role
occasionally you get some real good ones
as if sent by your choice of monotheistic deity to make you think not all tanks are braindead degenerates
waxen oyster
BECAUSE WHY TF IS PARRY IN THE GAME STILL
fallow canopy
its t h e m a t i c
hearty seal
damm, dead space games had some weird sequels
ikr
popular too
waxen oyster
if i see a tank play
double tank trinkets
and the passive ones
i know this shit getting bricked
with the quickness
royal lantern
double tank trinkets
bro its my shity druid alt, i dont even know what trinkets are good 
"hey, it gives a shield, use it i gues"
royal lantern
who says i dont
hearty seal
"hey, it gives a shield, use it i gues"
(it's the healer trinket that gives 5mil shield to the party)
royal lantern
i could be doing a dungeon rn on bear drood
royal lantern
with thrash+iron fur macrod to my mouse wheel
waxen oyster
i think the brand from soulhunters?
ashen totem
soulhunters is pretty strong, some tanks can run stuff like prism
main bridge
warcraftlogs.com does
tepid meadow
yeah but those are so impersonal i want your stats bb
main bridge
weird as fuck
pliant remnant
pure moth
yeah but those are so impersonal i want your stats bb
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
There are no "recommended stat levels" or "breakpoint of X stat" or "required" amount of any stats. This is an outdated way to think about stats and simply is not relevant to the spec. If you're looking for a quick recommendation: Agi >> Crit = Mastery >= Haste > VersatilityIt's always more accurate to simulate your own character, as stat procs from trinkets/enchants can often de-value their stat relative to others. Stats are not a rigid construct, their values change constantly in relation to each other depending on your character.
- Signet of the Priory will require you have Mastery as your highest RATING (the actual number, not the %). Having Crit and Mastery close to one another will cause procs from Flask or Seaforium Pacemaker to cause your Signet to give you Crit. This is generally worse and will cause Signet to sim poorly.
- Compared to each other, Deathstalker wants more Mastery/Haste than Fatebound, and Fatebound wants more Crit than Deathstalker
- Always Always ALWAYS sim yourself through Top Gear and Droptimizer for accurate results
marsh ferry
yo anyone got logs from a 14 they can share
tepid meadow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VnMHymrF1aG6zw7b?fight=16&type=summary
thank u g
main bridge
is this another one of those people that believe if they copy the stats of random people they will be able to do the same damage
tepid meadow
huh
hearty seal
what do the lads think about this trade
absolute rip-off tbh
50k is like
1 day of casual play
humble verge
absolute rip-off tbh
50k is like
1 day of casual play
this was my guildie week 1 in m+ 
but yeah
he didnt mind
like i know its a rip off but
he didnt mind
:33333
hearty seal
aight
tepid meadow
this was my guildie week 1 in m+ <:OMEGAKEKW:829051106361344021>
thats worth it took me 30 gates to get it this season
humble verge
thats worth it took me 30 gates to get it this season
just get antenna first week?
hello
marsh ferry
is this another one of those people that believe if they copy the stats of rando...
Hopefully he wanted a log from here cause he wanted to ask someone questions about their play
pliant remnant
just get antenna first week?
humble verge
https://tenor.com/view/wow-gif-24675586
pliant remnant
hey that's what i said
thorn thorn
That sounds like a skill issue
tepid meadow
Hopefully he wanted a log from here cause he wanted to ask someone questions abo...
we have the same spread i just wanted a sanity check
waxen oyster
spread these
pliant remnant
spread deez
hearty seal
i got myth pace first vault
yeah got mine last season like week 3, this season isn't going as well ngl
pliant remnant
cold tulip
so is caustic splatter not applying for yall too?
ashen anvil
Good afternoon everyone, I would like to know what are the best trinkets for DG and Raid. Please, do you have a command where I can see this?
pliant remnant
so is caustic splatter not applying for yall too?
No, 'cause I apply Deadly Poison and Rupture and then Mutilate the target
thorn thorn
marsh ferry
so is caustic splatter not applying for yall too?
!causticbug
prisma monolithBOT
Caustic is not bugged. The Green Puddle on the ground is Poison Bomb, not Caustic Spatter. You are either:
- Not using Deadly/Amplifying poison (or its not applied to your target)
- Not using Rupture on your target
- Not using Mutilate/Ambush if the above two are applied
waxen oyster
chat is it bugged if i dont read the talent
sinful ice
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater
ashen anvil
!trinkets
lunar pond
and name it after your least favorite raider
Xiani: The Beetle 
lunar pond
Though it probably in reality be the DH, since they are melee terrorists
hearty seal
I have seen zero rogues in keys the last week
nobody is taking my bloody applications, that's why
I can only assume that's the same for most other rogues
thorn thorn
nobody is taking my bloody applications, that's why
I do not consider outlaw players as rogues so basically no sub or sin rogues i have seen recently
ashen anvil
Good afternoon everyone, I would like to know what are the best trinkets for DG and Raid. Please, do you have a command where I can see this?
main bridge
!loot
prisma monolithBOT
thorn thorn
what keys are you doing
10-12s cuz i have a dumbass warrior
Sometimes lower cuz our brew is even dumber
humble verge
10-12s cuz i have a dumbass warrior
well, we have the smallest playerbase
thorn thorn
humble verge
so it makes sense
lunar pond
15-17s are mixed, lots of declines and I run unfiltered, so see rogue groups. I get a lot of declines in that range and see few rogues. Outside of that range it is pretty auto invite, but CR plays a role i'm sure
thorn thorn
Idk im just an rdruid this season cuz im fotm scum
I only decline mages by virtue of class cuz im anti-mage
Fuck em
cyan summit
which is the best enchant for m+ ?
waxen oyster
its literally sim the secondary ones
solid hemlock
the stat ones are really good rn, agility has become turbo trash
west crown
Thatās ST FB. I use it because Iām not running 4 weapons
cyan summit
ohh ok so i guess radiant it is
waxen oyster
balmy condor
you never use radiant
buoyant herald
Sim told me to use one crit one mastery so thatās what I do
balmy condor
you never use depths
you generally never use the vers enchant
and you don't use the haste enchant in m+
main bridge
sim
don't use radiant
ok radiant it is
?????????????????
balmy condor
that narrows your enchants down to either crit/mast, maybe vers, if you raid maybe haste
cyan summit
so what do u use in m+
no i dont raid at all
i just do hc raid once a week and focus on m+ push
buoyant herald
Bro what
cyan summit
xD
cyan summit
lmao
buoyant herald
Itās a bot shilling for big radiant
balmy condor
either that or the monitor isn't on
buoyant herald
No other explanation
buoyant herald
Councillors Guile or Stonebound Artistry
waxen oyster
i recommend frost dk
cyan summit
ok ty
balmy condor
im a bit new just wanted the name of the enchant so i can find it in AH
might I suggest perhaps opening a guide, which will have the enchants listed
fallen charm
seems like sudden demise is working on delves again, at lease on an 11
1 bug gone 20 more to go š
balmy condor
"working" how
cyan summit
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue
balmy condor
cause it has always procced
balmy condor
dim nymph
just learned that reading is super hard btw
waxen oyster
Idk i play sub in delves
assa is meh
not being able to misdirect the whole instance to bran
waxen oyster
i let them all hit him and nuke it
fallen charm
I don't wanna get carpal tunnel playing a non assassination spec
I always hurt my wrist on alts
waxen oyster
Yaāll might need to see a doctor
red schooner
not being able to misdirect the whole instance to bran
Yeah but then Brann decides to run around in circles like a twat and then pull several other packs.
Brann is the most dangerous thing in delves.
blazing tulip
I always hurt my wrist on alts
one button is made for alts
red schooner
We're getting old.
main bridge
some people are built different (poorly)
red schooner
I'm a medical trainwreck BUT THE WRISTS HAVEN'T FAILED ME YET
main bridge
balmy condor
my knees suck
upper spear
its funny and im sad about it
red schooner
They didn't even let me keep it in a jar DESPITE MY REQUESTS.
balmy condor
main bridge
they were just removing the weakest part of you so you could reach your full potential
tight ginkgo
they were just removing the weakest part of you so you could reach your full pot...
me when i lobotomize myself
balmy condor
they were just removing the weakest part of you so you could reach your full pot...
new gender-affirming surgery just dropped
strong heron
aRe ThE bUgS fIxEd YeT?!
upper spear
aRe ThE bUgS fIxEd YeT?!
yep!
strong heron
Yay
coral ibex
just bricked a 12 halls bc tank never taunted for any boss
so every boss started with multiple dps dead
even thru my tricks
waxen oyster
did the tank ever just try
coral ibex
can't make it up
waxen oyster
to get aggro with doing big dam
haughty flicker
real
hearty seal
shit I have to reenchant
I just assumed the only (actual) choice was Depths or Radiant since S1
waxen oyster
ngl i barely taunt pull in keys on bosses
i just swing my massive dong
and hold threat that way
half tartan
Any idea how much value the rank 6 enchantment raid buff is?
desert vault
do 12s drop extra piece of loot or is that 15s?
balmy condor
Any idea how much value the rank 6 enchantment raid buff is?
with our without the bug
nova kelp
bug?
balmy condor
yeah, little critters
they like scurry around on floor and walls
usually an insect
š
look like this
visual sun
Caterpie!?
astral current
Caterpie!?
asmongold
half tartan
With for now
upper spear
balmy condor
slightly more than 3%
oh nvm
they already hotfixed it
based
so actually it's more like 1%
plain wind
my 691 raid finder antennae sims higher than a 714 pacemaker, does it actually make sense?
balmy condor
yeah that sounds reasonable, especially if you're simming with 0% miss
plain wind
definitely do miss sometimes too
haughty flicker
guess they never miss huh
runic hinge
I wouldnāt
haughty flicker
ive just decided to never look at my uptime on logs
so i just assume i never miss
also when i was simming it needed some crazy miss rate to get beaten by pacemaker anyway
that mightve been on sub though idr
plain wind
alright just wanted to make sure i wasnt "missing" something thanks friends ill see myself out now
jaunty sky
Wont be "missing" you
astral current
they fucking broke week 6 buff again
enchantment now gives 4102 instead of almost 6k
gray hazel
How have they not fixed any of the bugs yet
Itās been like 2 weeks since that pin went up lmao
fallen charm
no it only been 2 weeks since you know of the bugs
fallen charm
undead racial has been breaking stealth since WOD and they still haven't touched it 
soft kiln
what embelishment i use when crafting a dagger to rogue assa?
nova kelp
one night, while working in the restaurant, this dude comes in and sits in the corner, he never really orders too much or brings a crowd but still, we want him to have a good time.
anyway, mid way through his meal I notice his side plate has a crack on it. I go over and replace his plate.
unfortunately, while doing this I just like shatter the top of his class and knock the fork off the table.
I run back to the kitchen to replace them, and chef says, you good, they can wait, as I look back in and he's drinking from a broken glass.
Things feel different since we got bought out by blizz
fallen charm
balmy condor
I see
runic hinge
Unlucky the worst racial is also a stealth break
fallen charm
I noticed it on dragonflight when sometimes vanish didn't do shit
always thought I was fat fingering something until I noticed it on a target dummy while trying to make a weakaura
wild pine
can i get a quick tldr about the caustic spatter bug that was fixed a couple weeks ago pls? cant find anything about it online
runic hinge
Thereās a video in the second pin
balmy condor
it was doing mkore than intended, now its intended
umbral sigil
vast patio
so it was bugged all expac? lol
balmy condor
yes but the way it was bugged meant that it never mattered until this season
vast patio
fantastic.
keen mantle
bro bugs fixed , tell me they fixed , surely you guys work at blizzard you know everything
plz tell
plz plz
fallen charm
my uncle Jhon Blizzad told me they not
final star
keen mantle
its uncle mike
desert pasture
bro bugs fixed , tell me they fixed , surely you guys work at blizzard you know ...
caustic spatter still isn't doing singular focus at least
desert pasture
viscid spear
Hard to beat this choice
buoyant herald
Does anyone else feel an unreasonable level of disappointment when you donāt see a weapon or great trinket in your vault even if you do have a solid upgrade like myth track tier
Need to regulate my brain better
vast patio
noob question, but rusty. Does wound poison stack with ms?
fallen charm
just checking to see if they fixed the bug, nope
balmy condor
noob question, but rusty. Does wound poison stack with ms?
no
cinder steppe
is it possible to avoid the bug of the not refunding cds on fractilus?
pretty shit incosistent every try with different cds
balmy condor
not giving any CDR at all?
cinder steppe
yeah
balmy condor
no
cinder steppe
sadge
fallen charm
I just gave up on trying to avoid this bug
balmy condor
doubling cdr is very easy to play around
fallen charm
even waiting sometimes doesn't work
balmy condor
no cdr at all happens maybe 1/130 pulls
snow hamlet
i hate no cdr
open jolt
Name something worse than someone saying "I saw them pull like this on youtube" and then wiping the key over and over trying to do it
buoyant herald
I watched a top 5 tank pull like this and it seemed easy enough
balmy condor
Name something worse than someone saying "I saw them pull like this on youtube" ...
"I saw a youtube short say assa is bugged 15%"
open jolt
I watched a top 5 tank pull like this and it seemed easy enough
That was basically what just happened
Bro proceeded to not hold threat on his massive packs he was pulling
Even if I used tricks on him
š
thorn thorn
Name something worse than someone saying "I saw them pull like this on youtube" ...
āTop player does this so it must be betterā
tawny shell
winged laurel
balmy condor
throw knife + vanish
but it's pretty inconsistent
just make a mage or hunter do it
ivory kernel
its hard to do because our projectile is fast
balmy condor
ye
fallen charm
you have to remove poisons
the poison apply before the knife gets there and messes the reset
balmy condor
it's just a headache
make someone else do it
that doesn't have to get a migraine doing it
fallen charm
just say your class is bugged
leaden bloom
/ducks "any bug fixes?"
balmy condor
I cannot make it any more clear
somber fractal
before i try to sim everything is there a consensus on the best enchant after the raid buff or is it still just crit one?
fallen charm
ain't noone gots time to read pins boss
leaden bloom
I cannot make it any more clear
just truthnuke the dev, im sure itll be fine
balmy condor
before i try to sim everything is there a consensus on the best enchant after th...
it's still just the crit/mast ones
enchant A gives 1.3%
enchant B gives 1%
buff them both by 50%
50% of bigger number still bigger number
fallen charm
I cannot make it any more clear
bigger font every day maybe?
leaden bloom
lol
balmy condor
it's the biggest that discord allows
leaden bloom
they just need to yank realz from the new DH spec and give us some love
fallen charm
add one ! every week
balmy condor
they just need to yank realz from the new DH spec and give us some love
and you know he's working on the new DH spec.... how exactly?
fallen charm
lets see if they fix before you run out of characters
leaden bloom
i dont š
leaden bloom
i dont know many many things
balmy condor
clearly
solar wyvern
Day 13... singular focus is still bugged. The questions are caustic, spattered against thw wall. "is the bug fixed yet?" Whispyr screams in agony from the abyss
leaden bloom
lol
balmy condor
Day 13... singular focus is still bugged. The questions are caustic, spattered a...
you see, the good thing about this is that we can tell when it gets fixed via spell data
so I don't even need to test every day or whatever delusional shit people expect me to do
exotic hearth
I keep messing up my opening by shiv after dm instead of before. Is it a massive dps loss or not really?
solar wyvern
Ill be able to tell when i see singular higher than 5% overall xd
balmy condor
but people don't understand how code works, which is fine
so I make a thing saying "hey, I will let you know when it's fixed, don't worry, let me do this for you, it would be my pleasure"
and then people go "okay but how impactful is it"
so then I make a video and I very clearly list out the impact of every bug
solar wyvern
20% dps loss11111111@
balmy condor
except then people just cherrypick a bunch of random numbers, throw it into a stew, call it a youtube short
and now I need to argue against numbers that aren't even my numbers, but were derived from my numbers incorrectly
and then I wake up every morning, and people go "hey is thing fixed???"
legit 3-5 dm's every morning for the last 2.5 weeks
I live a very fun life
balmy condor
I keep messing up my opening by shiv after dm instead of before. Is it a massive...
what is your definition of massive
my gf keeps telling me 3 inches is massive
allegedly.
livid dagger
3 inches is above average
livid dagger
and now I need to argue against numbers that aren't even my numbers, but were de...
Imagine what theyāre guna do when they inspect your gems
balmy condor
I already have to defend that
livid dagger
lol
balmy condor
[First Time Chattter]
Whispyr I look at your araz kill, why no ballsphemite gem?
many such cases
livid dagger
BuT tHe GuIDE sAys
exotic hearth
what is your definition of massive
Idk. I guess I don't understand why we do it before DM. My thought process was DM duplicates the bleeds, so we'd want to boost the clones as well unless it snapshots? I'm just trying to get better lmao
obsidian harbor
Guys have you the weak aura to track rapture on combat targets?
balmy condor
Idk. I guess I don't understand why we do it before DM. My thought process was D...
none of that snapshots
we shiv before to buff the coins
livid dagger
Just got antenna in my vault , for someone who has it whatās the reality of how many orbs you miss in m+
I feel like itās great on a sim but curious how it plays out in game . Are they easy to notice / grab
livid dagger
Yea but curious what reality of it is
Like are we missing those often or easy to see in big pulls
balmy condor
they're impossible to see
buoyant herald
Empirical data on player skill is gonna be tough my man
balmy condor
but you hit most of them just out of sheer conincidence
obsidian harbor
Guys have you the weak aura to track rapture on combat targets?
@balmy condor have you one?
balmy condor
I can't see them for shit
livid dagger
Thatās fair . Iām just never sitting still feels like so they wonāt randomly wander into me
haughty flicker
but again my solution for miss chance is just never look at logs and pretend i never miss
so not the best source
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> have you one?
no, mine just tracks scent of blood, knowing how many ruptures you have out is entirely useless outside of scent of blood
obsidian harbor
no, mine just tracks scent of blood, knowing how many ruptures you have out is e...
It's possible to have?
balmy condor
it's possible to have what
obsidian harbor
your WA
balmy condor
!wa
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balmy condor
right there
livid dagger
I just added rupture to my plater and use my eyes
errant swallow
How is everyone doing tonight?
livid dagger
Just got off work , its vault day , legs are swinging
balmy condor
my vault sucks
for a 4th week in a row
3rd?
whatever week it is
I haven't had a good vault
grizzled geyser
How bad does it suck
balmy condor
errant swallow
Same, it was a socket vault.
formal pewter
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1415046939153535108/...
get ready for dookie belt
dense cove
as bleed build in m+ is it best to always try to stay above 150 energy on bosses? my dps is always so bad on bosses in particular
formal pewter
any pins or posts for the weapon enchant change?
balmy condor
get ready for dookie belt
it's funny cause sims say to take the belt and then full crest it and the shoulders
rustic zealot
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1415046939153535108/...
Ez trinket for Outlaw swap š
tawdry flume
Did belts get nerf today?
formal pewter
it's funny cause sims say to take the belt and then full crest it and the should...
probably for consistant stats vs ones that arent up all the time
tawdry flume
My sims are showing 100k+ for a myth belt now
balmy condor
any pins or posts for the weapon enchant change?
I give you two options of enchants, one does 1.3%, one does 1%
now I tell you they're both 50% stronger
is 1.3% * 1.5 bigger or smaller than 1% * 1.5
exotic hearth
For the vanished envenom, do we need it 7cp or can we envenom without mut if we have the cp?
balmy condor
Did belts get nerf today?
no, they get nerfed in the .5 patch
errant swallow
it's funny cause sims say to take the belt and then full crest it and the should...
Mine said something like that, but I'm not sp ending crests now on belt. Still need to upgrade chest and gloves.
balmy condor
For the vanished envenom, do we need it 7cp or can we envenom without mut if we ...
all fatebound finishers are 5+
tawdry flume
no, they get nerfed in the .5 patch
Is raidbots messed up possibly?
errant swallow
Did belts get nerf today?
11.2.5
exotic hearth
Gotcha. ty
tawdry flume
this used to be like a ~20k upgrade
balmy condor
Is raidbots messed up possibly?
no?
tawdry flume
being 134k is crazy
tawdry flume
hmm
balmy condor
I would assume user error
balmy condor
Mine said something like that, but I'm not sp ending crests now on belt. Still n...
this makes no sense to me but okay
balmy condor
"I was told it's better to do this, but I'm not going to do that cause I don't like that"
dense cove
@balmy condor is it best as bleed build to stay above 150 energy on bosses at all times? i find that i rarely get a chance to envenom and i'm pressing very few buttons just trying to maintain bleeds if i do this
balmy condor
no
dense cove
just play normal and not worry about sanguine then?
balmy condor
you do not go above 150
livid dagger
Only advice Iām taking this season is Whispyr saying secondary stats donāt matter
dense cove
omg...i thought that was hybrid and bleed was stay above 150. š® jesus
balmy condor
it was technically something you did maybe 10-15% of the time on bleed last season
but it's not better this season and also seeing how many people just braindead played with their energy as if 150 was the floor
it just hurts to see
vital sundial
is there a prio slot to craft after bracers and weap or just whatever offpiece is lowest ilvl?
formal pewter
mine says to craft necklace over bracers with enchant
balmy condor
formal pewter
embellish dookie
livid dagger
Thinkin neck next or a ring if I wiff the crit ring again this week
loud light
but it's not better this season and also seeing how many people just braindead p...
tier making cycling the mark more valuable the reason for it never being worth it now?
balmy condor
this tier set doesn't buff bleeds
tawdry flume
Re-simed, so not 134k like before, but still 100k+ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hcARfBSg8Fu9KzCYLVQhMd
tawdry flume
djasjdkas. lol i didnt change that š
normal mist
tawdry flume
My delves bran reset today as well so maybe just got rng f'ed by something
balmy condor
I mean at least you recognized that charged bolts is bad
livid dagger
Delves 
balmy condor
most of the time, people take it on purpose
tawdry flume
well, yea i mean it wasnt like that last week, and would have 0 reason to change it š¤· . but thanks for the catch
dense cove
!wa
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ornate pond
-be me
-decide to try sub for a key
-do shit tier damage
-finally rewarded with Pacemaker
-back to assa
tawdry flume
looks good now š
balmy condor
yeh, charged bolts is legit horrid
surreal crag
is double on-use as good for fatebound as it is for sub? or would the sim even take that into account?
like some araz/prism action?
I guess I can assume from logs it's not
severe meadow
is double on-use as good for fatebound as it is for sub? or would the sim even t...
double on-use is not great for assa
surreal crag
works for sub because of higher highs/lower lows?
balmy condor
it's not even that great for sub really
haughty flicker
its good on sub for two fights that work perfectly for it
otherwise its like not very good at all
nova kelp
BUT RWF PLAYERS... DOUBLE USE... BUT NOOOOOOOO
haughty flicker
well yeah those were the two fights i just mentioned
balmy condor
its good on sub for two fights that work perfectly for it
it's also only good on dimmy for sub really if you get a blessing of autumn to line up everything
otherwise it's lowkey cooked
nova kelp
it's also only good on dimmy for sub really if you get a blessing of autumn to l...
dude I said this to peeps in the channel a ways back and they just BLASTED me with a bunch of rationalising about "stable dps profile" blah blah
nova kelp
I was legit just like " the RWF guys do a bunch of stuff to optimise certain things, but that doesn't mean it's specifically better on average"
balmy condor
dude I said this to peeps in the channel a ways back and they just BLASTED me wi...
yeh just don't get autumn on dimmy and then watch your shadowblades come up immediately after the amp at the start of p3
huge
nova kelp
I just got blasted in dms for being shit at the game when I mentioned that
i don't know shit I guess
balmy condor
sub players when they're a burst spec but also somehow think double on-use is magical cheat code for giga dps without realizing it needs to actually line up with something in order to mean jack shit
impyr absolute giga chad btw, crafted a ring, a neck, and that's it
funneled to hell
absolute legend
haughty flicker
im still using a champ prism and a warbound antenna i got
guild also decided we arent doing heroic fract anymore so if i want it i have to pug it now
onyx coyote
My delves bran reset today as well so maybe just got rng f'ed by something
mines been reseting whenever i change between toons to do delves
balmy condor
guild also decided we arent doing heroic fract anymore so if i want it i have to...
just get it on first kill?
surely I get myth antenna today (for some reason we funneled the warlocks like a billion items every single week but every item that drops is magically like +400 thousand dps for them)
nova kelp
I legit have just... everything already short of myth fract/shunters
I'm actually just finished asside from upgrades
placid adder
arent you on loot council? call in the coo
nova kelp
might just craft a ring or something for shits and giggles next week or like
idk
an outlaw weapon?
no wait, I have a myth weapon already for ol
idk
balmy condor
arent you on loot council? call in the coo
I am but how do I convince myself to give me a 50k antenna when itās 115k for a warlock
quasi steeple
quasi steeple
Any advice on this? D:
marsh fjord
surely I get myth antenna today (for some reason we funneled the warlocks like a...
No. you ignored me in the chat last time and now your cursed forever
balmy condor
Yeesh, sorry for your loss
quasi steeple
Ty hahahaha
unreal tide
take signat, use it for keys
unreal tide
why you gotta kick a man while his vault is already down bad?
wooden silo
Did assassination get any stealth fixes similar to fury?
haughty flicker
quasi steeple
It got deleted
severe meadow
Did assassination get any stealth fixes similar to fury?
Yeah but only for me (I paid a premium)
quasi steeple
If u log rn, u'll be sub
boreal mist
When we closing the channel In protest for fixes lol
dull gate
My trinkets is Lily mitic , Astral Antenna ilvl 704 (champion) , Improvised Seaforium Pacemaker 710 (Heroic) and my vault have Unyielding Netherprism (Heroic).
What is the best option?
hexed root
/cry
red zealot
There a point where you would want more vers mastery instead of mastery crit gear?
balmy condor
When we closing the channel In protest for fixes lol
Never, weāre not idiots
balmy condor
There a point where you would want more vers mastery instead of mastery crit gea...
Sure, anything is possible if you stack enough crit
restive crater
Meh
balmy condor
Ilvl so nice you had to see it twice
hasty gate
does raid buff work with crit enchant or better to do different
haughty flicker
it works on all weapon enchants
hasty gate
i was reading it was bad with some so just checking or bugged ya know
red zealot
sitting at 44 crit 66 mastery and 1 vers lol
coral ibex
its bugged atm so who knows what its gonna do
viscid spear
This good for Forge? I hate the guy
waxen oyster
1 vers what the helly
waxen oyster
meanwhile 12
red zealot
Ive just got crit mastery just following the Sims so I'll craft a mast vers ring shows 1.8% increase
Least it's good for sub lol
quaint spindle
Myth pacemaker lets gooo
nova kelp
No Antenna from Vault, no Antenna from boss
i got my myth antenna without killing loomithar lol
red zealot
Same but heroic antennas sim better
misty holly
Do the enchant and oil raid buffs change anything for gearing?
oblique flare
Pug myth loom, hope dinars come back 
nova kelp
Pug myth loom, hope dinars come back <:copium:854628182104080414>
don't need to kill loom at all
oblique flare
nova kelp
you can pug binder, and your vault will have access to loom
oblique flare
Well, it dilutes vault loot pool
Instead of 1/7
It's like 1/12 or smth
For that 1 vault slot
nova kelp
I mean sure, but also loom is like a gagillion times harder than binder
unsure how many pugs that rules out
oblique flare
Fair enough
nova kelp
you're right though, it does dilute the slot
viscid spear
i got my myth antenna without killing loomithar lol
zealous cosmos
Hey guys, I just have a question. I was analyzing my logs vs the top sin rogue and it looks like I do double the amount of mutilate. My first thought is they would have more envenom or finisher in general, but no. Second thought was that they were pooling and ressource bar look pretty similar throughout the encounter so I'm a bit lost. I feel like I do very average damage and am trying to figure out. Any help is appreciated š
balmy condor
are you looking at mutilate casts
or are you looking at the combined number of hits
zealous cosmos
cast
zealous cosmos
zealous cosmos
ok I'm seeing this lol
balmy condor
ok I'm seeing this lol
yes, that's logs getting confused with vicious
zealous cosmos
ah ok
balmy condor
that's why you gotta check casts
zealous cosmos
thanks for this. I still need to look at why I do sub dmg. Is there log analysis in here?
nova kelp
lol that's the thing that confuses people with apm in logs
where they see a bunch of effects and stuff and are like "yeah my guardian druid is 311 apm"
nova kelp
thanks for this. I still need to look at why I do sub dmg. Is there log analysis...
a lot of peeps help with this, often big papi whispyr if you ask and upload
stone yacht
how much % of a loss is macro'ing Netherprism to Deathmark vs. Vanish? I'm trying to decide whether i'm too lazy to change my macros
zealous cosmos
I'm in raid atm, so I might post later
balmy condor
how much % of a loss is macro'ing Netherprism to Deathmark vs. Vanish? I'm tryin...
0.6^
nova kelp
how much % of a loss is macro'ing Netherprism to Deathmark vs. Vanish? I'm tryin...
just... don't macro imo
press button, pump, move where required
stone yacht
just... don't macro imo
brother i am out of keyboard space i already have like 24 buttson to press
digital venture
!fuu
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crystal hare
Hey guys, quick question: does assas rogues bleed and poison damage works with buffs snapshots? For example, if I use mark before a trinket or potion and right after use buffs the damage done will rump up either way with the damage buffs?
main bridge
@balmy condor maybe worth a pin
use thewarwithin_opts.attuned_to_the_aether=1if you want to sim the raid buff
sturdy sentinel
any changes on rogue or nothing really ?
latent kernel
do our bleeds count as physical dmg and benefit from monk buff?
crystal hare
do our bleeds count as physical dmg and benefit from monk buff?
Bleed are physical
latent kernel
so picking up monk is good
pulsar elk
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GfnTKgy9LD6H43A8?fight=5
I did a lot worse than my past parse (Justsupa)
tepid meadow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GfnTKgy9LD6H43A8?fight=5
I did a lot worse...
bruh wtf is your bm eating for breakfast
also it looks to me like your caustic did fuck all, maybe add dies too fast to benefit
tepid meadow
i think u eek out another 1.5% or something with internal bleeding
gilded oasis
so what do we do when cds desync?
balmy condor
so what do we do when cds desync?
you play on your cold blood timer
gilded oasis
ok
red zealot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hgBPc5GT8yVPCkSeLWYr63 look about right?
severe meadow
surely dimmussy goes well tonight right chat
devout hazel
yo
guys
jay
u seem goo
good
whats about the envenom thing
when do i wat to send envenom if im out of cds
balmy condor
<@167090536602140682> maybe worth a pin
> use thewarwithin_opts.attuned_to_the_a...
yeah so this would be very cool and epic if it weren't for the fact that this shit straight up doesn't matter
devout hazel
do i try to no get less than certain energy to not pop my tea
versed mica
Hey guys, quick question: does assas rogues bleed and poison damage works with b...
I don't think snapshots are really a thing anymore
devout hazel
to save it for cds
balmy condor
it's like a 1% overall buff that doen't change any recommendations
devout hazel
yeah so this would be very cool and epic if it weren't for the fact that this sh...
answer me discord slave
main bridge
wtf
gilded oasis
runic hinge
Interesting way to get blocked
versed mica
severe meadow
u seem goo
one button rotation carrying me, no worries
humble verge
why am i still awake at 4am
also still no new pin
waiting for devs to stealth fix assa
balmy condor
packing it up
wheat hill
for fatebound anyone know what the best on use trinket is? i've got lily, prism and forge just hearing different things on what to use
gilded oasis
I got gravity on cds, its over
force wipe
balmy condor
prism for anything difficult, lily for like 2:30 speed kills
forge for not fatebound
balmy condor
probably equal or worse at equal ilvl
but only if you're smart about the prism
if you just mongoslam it then prism is like slightly worse
viscid spear
tepid meadow
is vers actually not ass for fatebound st or something
vers/crit neck sims better than every neck for me with rest of my gear being bis
humble verge
you prolly have 0 vers maybe without it
nova kelp
is vers actually not ass for fatebound st or something
all stats are good stats for sin
tbh all stats are good stats for almost everything
pulsar elk
you don't use caustic on loomithar
Just checked, I dont think i was running caustic
tepid meadow
ya i just feel bricked with my gear atm just waiting for vault slots and antenna
nova kelp
often stats weighted against eachother are like fucking the diff betwen
40 dps per point for the best one
and 39.1 dps per point for the worst
and still the entire community will be like OMFG MASTERY SO BAD GIGA TROLL LOLOLOL
tepid meadow
you prolly have 0 vers maybe without it
ya i don't use the tier legs so i am basically zero vers without it
balmy condor
Just checked, I dont think i was running caustic
oh I looked at the wrong rogue 
oak tangle
to be fair for arcane back in the day, haste / mastery did tug each other which way as to manacosts between evocations
but that's mega niche
pulsar elk
oh I looked at the wrong rogue <:KEKL:938540034276065370>
MB (Justsupa) im not sure why I did so poorly there, I did rupture snipe a lot more
tepid meadow
is anyone simming much above 5m for st w/o antenna?
waxen oyster
on patchwerk? its pretty easy
pure moth
i have antenna but im simming 4.9
waxen oyster
tepid meadow
damn that's sick
waxen oyster
thats pacemaker
tepid meadow
myth?
waxen oyster
yep
nova kelp
you know what they say about pacemaker
it's only 1 letter away from a sick streaming series
nova kelp
oak tangle
i should sim, but i cbf
nova kelp
it's just unfortunate that I suck
tepid meadow
i don't run mythic so my gear is a little behind
waxen oyster
technically none of my gear is from raid
versed cove
/shiv
nova kelp
i have no friends so I make up for it with intense sims and an inability to parse well
prisma monolithBOT
With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:
/cast Shiv
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null
Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.
#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane
Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket
tepid meadow
im sure theres not much left to do for min maxing my gear
versed cove
with 4set are you just shivving on CD?
tepid meadow
what if i just played better