assassination

[balmy condor]

you beat the next guy by over a millioon

so

I guess that's decent yeah

[vale fox]

truee

but i moreso care about comparing myself to other rogues

not mages

bleah

XD

[balmy condor]

you can do like 3.1-3.3 on bleed in ST

but yeh, kinda sucks

[vale fox]

yes. thats what im pulling

and it feels horrible haha

[balmy condor]

in flood usually like 9.5 overall is pretty doable in a pug

especially with a warrior and a shaman

[vale fox]

ok so im missing 1M somewhere in there

thats probably my trinkets ngl

[balmy condor]

I mean maybe you are, or maybe the tank sucked

[vale fox]

we did wipe 1 time

[balmy condor]

that's the issue with just looking at overall or looking at a damage meter

[sleek night]

I average around 3-3.1. ST. But I struggle to hit more than like 15 mil on large aoe pulls.

[balmy condor]

if your tank doesn't giga pull or chains at 0.1% instead of 20% then like

you're fucked no matter how good you play

bad tank, bad route

[vale fox]

makes sense. i agree. we wiped 1 time and that probably screwed my overall too

[balmy condor]

yeh

definitely hurts

[vale fox]

appreciate ya

as per usual

most active rogue coach

[sleek night]

Literally 2:30 am for me and you’re out here giving advice and answering questions

[balmy condor]

2:30 am for me too man

[vale fox]

btw fun little sidequest im on

day 5 of asking Pika for a PvP coaching session.

[balmy condor]

I'm waiting for my gf to get out of the dam shower

[vale fox]

im commenting on all his vids lmao. as soon as they drop.

[sleek night]

😂

Shindig is one of my favs for vids

[vale fox]

mans waiting to kingsbane them cheeks

yes shindig has some great videos

[balmy condor]

we don't live together, can't even pop my cds

[sleek night]

I learned sub rogue from watching his mythic vids lol

[vale fox]

not sure when shin and whisp started making vids but there was a huge vacuum of rogue educational content

[balmy condor]

I live in one of the most expensive places on earth, we live with our parents like fucking losers

[vale fox]

not less so

[vale fox]

LA babyyyy

me too

[balmy condor]

worse, bay area

[vale fox]

LMAO

shit

[sleek night]

Shin is relatively new to retail I think. He did classic for a long while

[balmy condor]

yeh

he only started this expac

[vale fox]

man i wanna get good enough to start helping peeps out. i hated how hard it was for me to get into rogue

it was so intimidating at first

for some reason

i'd rather just sit on Lock or my BDK

but it was worth. im having fun

[sleek night]

I love rogue. It’s the class I resonate with the most by my god is it harder than most of the others. You can’t zug like most classes

[balmy condor]

holy shit it's been SEVEN YEARS?

god I'm fucking old as hell

[vale fox]

holy fuck

[balmy condor]

I uploaded some kill videos in 2019

[vale fox]

bro whispyr somehow i didnt find your videos until this expack

like for lock i had Kala

and he drops every 2 hours

[sleek night]

Didn’t even know you had vids till I asked for rogue help on Reddit tbh

[vale fox]

there's a new sim somewhere he pulls out every 3 hours to talk about lock

[balmy condor]

HOLY I REMEMBER THIS

I WAS LOCKED IN A HEATED BATTLE WITH SOME POLISH GUY

[vale fox]

NOTRE POLSKI CURVA MID OR FEED

i already hear him

[balmy condor]

WE JUST WENT BACK AND FORTH

ON SPEEDRUN RANKINGS

FOR 1v0 PRACTICE TOOL

AHAAHAHAHA

[vale fox]

and here i am getting decent at rogue..

god we're losers

XD

[balmy condor]

AND THEN HE FUCKING BEAT ME A WEEK LATER

AND I GAVE UP

[vale fox]

thats some memories that strike the heart i bet

its like me going back to the timeless isles

[humble verge]

you lost

to the

[vale fox]

or whatever the monk starting area is

[humble verge]

https://tenor.com/view/pudzian-polska-gurom-gif-22944047

[vale fox]

it fcking hits me.

[balmy condor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MQ5s22B2dA&ab_channel=Whíspyr

bro it's a sick speedrun though

lethal tempo full AP volibear

cause you ult nexus towers

[vale fox]

LMAO

[balmy condor]

and then pop a dummy with the correct timing to proc lethal tempo for the nexus

it's so dank

[vale fox]

there was some work that had to go into that

[solid canopy]

Has there been any bugfixes for assa whisp?

[balmy condor]

no

read the pin

taps glass

[solid canopy]

hahah fastest answer in the west

[balmy condor]

we're discussing more important things right now

[solid canopy]

OH

[balmy condor]

like a 1v0 practice tool league of legends speedrun from 4 years ago

you know

REAL CONTENT

none of this fake ass "when singular focus fix" nonsense

[humble verge]

you think

if i preorder midnight

blizzard will finally realize they need to fix assa

[balmy condor]

yeah they're waiting for your battle.net to flag as midnight

[humble verge]

cause their most important customer wants it

[versed mica]

for racials with 2 min cds, when do we use them now that FB sin deathmark is 1.5 min?

[balmy condor]

anyway, it's mostly cause I didn't start to make like "content" until the amirdrassil rework

[vale fox]

ahh i see

[balmy condor]

with deathmark every 3 min just like vanish

this was kinda the start of the content

[vale fox]

ok makes sense

[sleek night]

So you use 2min cds still with FB? I’ve been swapping to passives or nether prism for it instead.

[balmy condor]

well you have to vanish

that's part of the cooldown sequence

and fatebound is a burst spec, so you want an on-use

usually prism/lily

cause 1:30 lines up, 2 min do not

but if you have 2min like vanish/racials/unlucky 2min trinket

then you need to be casting that every 3 min, ye

[sleek night]

Ok. That makes sense.

So currently I use nether snd seaforium for raids would i macro nether to DM and swap seaforium out with araz or signet and macro that to vanish then?

Well that wouldn’t work tho cause of timers on trinket use right?

[balmy condor]

huhwhatthe

you have netherprism and seaforium

[balmy condor]

why are you swapping the seaforium

[sleek night]

I’m not.

That’s what I currently use for raids

[balmy condor]

oh okay good

[sleek night]

I swap to araz or signet for M+

[balmy condor]

oh oh, yes

[sleek night]

And swap the nether prism

[balmy condor]

cause deathmark is 2min

[sleek night]

Cause nether is only champ and my others are heroic

[balmy condor]

I mean you can use the prism as well

that's a sim angle

like I have a myth prism, I use that everywhere forever

well, until the eventual powercreep of the patch + turboboost makes mythic fights like 1:49 long

[sleek night]

I’ll have to sim them all and see where it lands I guess.

[balmy condor]

then I probably do something else

[sleek night]

I wanna get into mythic raiding by EOS. At least get a boss or 2 down to get logs. But still learning

Having a blast though. So much fun just so many bugs

[balmy condor]

yeh most of them aren't really noticeable, the big one is fatebound's tier set

that shit is instantly annoying

but the rest is like "wah the number isn't the correct number"

and if I'm not here to make a stink about it, good chance no one ever notices

[sleek night]

I thought I was just missing it when I had a few times that it didn’t proc or proc twice.

I really thought I was just crazy and overthinking

I wish bliz had a post that kept an updated list of bugs so people don’t have to just guess if it’s a bug or not.

[balmy condor]

I mean if they can make a list they could also just fix most of it

but yeh I guess

[sleek night]

Now you’re just expecting too much

[balmy condor]

like the effort to fix the vast majority of bugs in the game

is just fixing a number or adding a modifier to things

it's just not important enough to actually fix

[sleek night]

Cause who likes rogues huh

[balmy condor]

not even rogue bugs

[sleek night]

It’s not like rets when they cry for not being top dps at all times

[balmy condor]

just in gneral

has nothing to do with the class or spec, it's just simply not worth the dev time in a lot of cases to go and fix a random tooltip typo or do a random number correction on something inconsequential

and the issue is that if it HAPPENS TO BE CONSEQUENTIAL, now you have to have meetings and discussions about like is this something we should fix, if it gets fixed the specs performance changes, is that something we're okay with, do we need to buff/nerf to compensate for the fix

and now it's a whole process

[sleek night]

I get it. Just is frustrating that we’re just forced to deal with it

[balmy condor]

ye

[sleek night]

Well thank you for your help!

[balmy condor]

np

[pliant flame]

Did they at least said by now that theyre aware of at least the nasty FB Bugs and having a look into that? I did not see any feedback abt that at all. 🥲

[red schooner]

They said in one of the patchnotes that they fixed it or something like that

[vale fox]

so would you say Lily Antenna is bis combo trinkets for FB ST?

[balmy condor]

at this point in the patch, no

[vale fox]

explain

plz

[balmy condor]

prism is far and away better for current kill times and damage amps and stuff

[vale fox]

ok so prism antenna

[balmy condor]

but prism you don't have any stacks on pull

[vale fox]

so i got 2 fcking trinkets to get not just one.. i had lily thought i was ok with that

[balmy condor]

so the shorter the fight, the worse prism becomes

lily is good

but prism is just better

[vale fox]

gotcha

so i can use lily and get antenna in vault

and still be competitive

until i get prism

[red schooner]

Just do what I did and have antenna in the vault and not take it.

Antenna is a crutch for the weak

[spring prawn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[warm vortex]

Call me weak cause imma huff that shit all bloody day

[humble verge]

i do hope it was hc atleast

[red schooner]

Nope

[humble verge]

hes callin u stopid

[red schooner]

Nah the choice not to take it made sense

I stand by it

[warm vortex]

Can’t believe you’d pass on a mythic antenna

Funny

[humble verge]

nah

i wanna see

what your choices were

[red schooner]

I already had 723 pacemaker

[warm vortex]

Oh my god it was actually a mythic antenna

The things I would do for that

[humble verge]

[red schooner]

WHAT DO YOU TAKE ME FOR? A LIAR?

[warm vortex]

Never let him use the vault again

I was thinking it was like champ

[red schooner]

Nah lol

[warm vortex]

Because I thought

“There’s no way anyone would ever pass up a mythic antenna”

[dense cedar]

sick in the head

[red schooner]

I went with short term gains, I'll just dinar the mythic antenna when 11.2.5 comes out

[warm vortex]

But think about how long that is without a mythic antenna

[red schooner]

But I already have a 723 pacemaker

Which is also solid

[warm vortex]

Ok

But like

Mythic antenna

[dense cedar]

wonder if they're gonna be as stingy this season with them

[humble verge]

your mums on a pacemaker

[red schooner]

It was a .6% gain, myth tier was 1.2% gain

[warm vortex]

“Hello, that’s pretty decent innit”

[red schooner]

I stand by my choices

[dense cedar]

head is big slot

[warm vortex]

Then there’s me

Regretting I didn’t take tokens

[dense cedar]

wtf

[warm vortex]

Legion toy shop

Or whatever

In remix

[red schooner]

but yeah i dunno i figured short term gain was the play and I'll just dinar it so its whatever.

The guild took my choice well

[warm vortex]

I don’t blame them

[dense cedar]

"This season you can only spend dinars on the myth track items after defeating dimensius"

[humble verge]

man

[warm vortex]

“You can only by heroic items”

[humble verge]

i didnt know vuelta a españa was still going

[dense cedar]

what is that

[normal mist]

Around spain

[dense cedar]

the around spain

[normal mist]

Probably bicycles

[dense cedar]

i assume many people go around it

ah

bike race

[normal mist]

Yeah

[dense cedar]

that makes sense

[normal mist]

"race around spain" basically

[humble verge]

its tempting

i need to buy 7 tho

[humble verge]

damn the stage hasnt even started today, i thought it was ongoing

[last skiff]

https://x.com/vaethryn/status/1964498747091800315?t=sQJKgmthSPwcfhl_It2GmQ&s=19

vae (@vaethryn)

this was fun

X · Sep 7, 2025, 1:19 AM

@hushed prawn nice one

[real pike]

People that do this should genuinely be lootbanned for that item

[red schooner]

I stand by my choices.

[desert crest]

When we getting a st buff?

Or are we just perma stuck gapped by prot war

[balmy condor]

Are you topping overall?

If yes, quit crying bout it

You’ll be aight

[desert crest]

Kinda true is more fun doing aoe anyway

[balmy condor]

We are monstrous aoe demons this season, having bad single target is just the natural downside

[desert crest]

Yeah aoe + funnel is not a bad tradeoff

If only we could get all our funnel back

but now i am just perma complaining

[dense willow]

Maybe we shut the discord down for a buff

[desert crest]

If only that would actually work

[lean plover]

Hey chickens didnt need to

[desert crest]

True shi but they are better complainers then we are

[zenith prairie]

cause theres more than 10 of them

[lusty kraken]

gotta love how every rogue spec must have bladeflurry now and because of that the ST must be dogshit too

[orchid moth]

We had big aoe last season 😛

Aswell as good st

[spice surge]

Wouldnt say we had good ST last season

It was less bad sure, but it was still not good

[lusty kraken]

we talking about raid or m+ ST

[spice surge]

I assumed m+, but yeah raid was fine ST

[orchid moth]

Was talking about raid

[lusty kraken]

now this season we have shit ST in both environments

[orchid moth]

Yeah.

[lusty kraken]

I hope next expansion they straight up remove caustic spatter and nimble flurry

[spice surge]

Yeah nvm we had fairly bad ST last tier too

[orchid moth]

Was defiantly better off last season at least

FB not even that bad ST tbf it's just one or the other

[nocturne quail]

Cleave build ST was goated in M+

[spice surge]

Absolutely wasnt

[lusty kraken]

cleave build was doing decent ST in m+

[ornate gate]

thoughts on wound poison on halls miniboss ive been getting asked to but im not sure

[spice surge]

Sure you could keep up with boomkin and unholy

[lusty kraken]

at the cost of worse aoe

[spice surge]

But you got bodied by any spec with actual St

[lusty kraken]

outlaw was goated last season

too bad it got tuned around raid council fight this season

and now it has terrible ST and terrible AoE 🙂

[royal lantern]

wha

[severe meadow]

based

[royal lantern]

i swear, WoW players will say the most random shit and belive it

all the time

jfc

"outlaw is tuned around a council fight" go outside

[lusty kraken]

noooo you can't have an opinion

noooooooo

go outside

just shut up dude

[royal lantern]

"opinion"

saying random shit, getting called out for it and then crying "its my opinion"

[lusty kraken]

blah blah blah

cry about it

[royal lantern]

a opinion is thinking that green is cool color, not saying "outlaw is tuned around a council fight"

[severe meadow]

can ya'll kiss already

[orchid moth]

https://tenor.com/view/wow4-warcraft-saurfang-gif-20757194

[royal lantern]

@spice spire is still on my lips

[lusty kraken]

tryan is trying to get his good boy points with the devs

[severe meadow]

Lucky

[lusty kraken]

god forbid someone talks badly about them

like it's not a known fact blizzard tunes classes around raid

[royal lantern]

yes, me, notorious for not shitting on blizz and their balance desicions

[royal lantern]

yes they kinda do because m+ is near impossible to tune because how do you tune for a mode that has theoritacaly endless scaling and everything is different based on pulls/dungeon/teamcomp

but if you think they tuned OUTLAW around a "council fight" is just braindead

do you think Outlaw is still seen as the "endless aoe cleave spec" when literally all specs in the game have endless cleave/aoe

[lusty kraken]

I think they are scared of that big yellow bar on pad fights and soul hunters

if they buff outlaw the line will get bigger

[royal lantern]

and outlaw was never something big in council fights anyway, cus ranged specs dominated them anyway

[lusty kraken]

and we cannot have that

they already had the big yellow bar on stix last season

[weary spear]

Outlaw gets dumpied on in soul hunters by spread cleave classes

[royal lantern]

aka every council fight ever

outlaw was never a "council fight" spec lmao

literally never

cus those are always ranged dot kingdom

[weary spear]

But you are right that precise cuts talent is the biggest tunning issue for them atm Rob

[royal lantern]

or stuff like destrolock which can cleave withou caring about the boss position

[orchid moth]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-aint-reading-all-that-im-happy-for-u-tho-or-sorry-that-happened-im-happy-for-you-thought-or-sorry-that-happened-gif-16532884834168127420

[severe meadow]

https://tenor.com/view/albert-wesker-albert-wesker-resident-evil-4-resident-evil-gif-6288452723485402601

[nocturne quail]

What classes had bis ST in M+ last season

[uneven marsh]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[lean drum]

how much dps yall do on st boss fights as assa bleed build ?

[sly spoke]

zero

[desert crest]

Depends on whether or not u have cds on pull or not

But with cds ready on pull more than 3.5 mil

But if u have big trinket stacks or smth then u can do quite a bit more

[static glacier]

highroll mm / highroll stormbringer enh / sv with flanking packleader / arcane / sub with good killtimers

atleast from memory thats what comes to mind

[oblique slate]

when do you hold vanish on araz with ds?

im wondering if its even good to play ds in araz

[main bridge]

only fatebound chads here https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-assassination/forgeweaver-araz

including Whispyr as the current top parse!

[oblique slate]

I finally got my first 99

my god

It nowhere near took this long with feral and balance lol

[warm vortex]

Im gonna lose my marbles

Like deplete 14 for ara kara 14

[storm forum]

o7

[coral walrus]

3.5 mill as pure st with bleed build? i call cap

[desert crest]

Only if u have cds up on pull tho

if u don't have cds on pull then u only get 1 use and do way worse dmg ofc

But yeah maybe 3.5 mil is a bit ambitious i don't play bleed on pure st that much tbh

But it depends on so much, raidbuffs, lust, pot

[humble verge]

almost griefed a gambit 17

last second

boss did his aoe circle around himself

and i ledged something and got stuck in it

[main bridge]

ledged?

[humble verge]

still timed with 5 sec left LULW

like

you know how a ledge is right

sometimes the game just wont let you go on top of them without jumping

so i got ledged

https://puu.sh/KAnUz/b8937ceacf.gif

like this

if the gif works

[real pike]

is it normal for prism to sim below lily of the same ilvl? I thought it was decently better

[zinc vale]

prism sim is weird

[west crown]

Idk if it sims for us holding for 3 mins

[zinc vale]

but its deff better

[main bridge]

needs to be longer than 3m

[spice surge]

It does

[warm vortex]

Deplete 18

I think at this point

finally got a group with a brain

And this was the dps they were showing

[real pike]

cool thanks

what is the max buff we can have for raid this week? from the renown traack

just the first right

[zinc vale]

i think its 5

[real pike]

tyty

[unborn rain]

took em to gapplebees

[static glacier]

Curious how much weaker sending on 1:30 is? (And by extension just sending on every dm when it bugs)

[iron sinew]

Hey! Playing bleed build, I have like 2k haste.. d-slice is now telling me to gem and enchant haste.. assuming people with bis gear have super low haste too, you guys run into this?

[marsh fjord]

Well haste is good for the bleed build so that makes sense

[spice surge]

0.6% or so iirc

In sims

Sending on 90s

[sharp echo]

how do u sim assa for multi target

[main bridge]

dungeon slice

[sharp echo]

should i just go 5min 5targets?

on lock for example dungeon slice is bugged

[jaunty sky]

It isnt for assa

[void pecan]

Everyday I check for the red pin, every day I'm disappointed.

[onyx pond]

I hope this is a joke

[pliant remnant]

Is them closing a completely new and empty channel a "joke"?

I think it might be

[lunar sonnet]

!DESIGN

[prisma monolith]

Running out of energy in single target is completely normal, intended design of Assassination. As a burst spec our damage is mainly loaded into Deathmark/Shiv and massive Envenoms through stacking multiple nature damage buffs such as Lingering Darkness, Shiv, Darkest Night, Amplifying Poison, and more. This comes with the natural downside of our damage suffering outside of these windows, in part due to the designed lack of energy slowing us down.

Because of this, there is only one minor (0.3%) min-max with energy, which is pooling 3-4 seconds into an upcoming Kingsbane. Ideally this would put you at around 50-60% energy before you enter your Kingsbane, which is more than enough energy alongside thistle tea. Outside of that, spam Envenom and just accept that you will run out of energy. There is nothing you can do to not run out of energy. Playing around Envenom uptime also is not relevant anymore, as Twist the knife allows for two stacks at a time, which reduces wasted uptime dramatically. Without twist the knife, wasting uptime is unavoidable.

[jagged niche]

during raids, for the fights with adds, do i need to bother with applying rupture to the adds? or just keep focusing boss and let spatter do the rest?

[real pike]

Rupture sniping good

[normal mist]

rupturing adds good

[real pike]

Is it worth even when rup will expire before they die?

[red schooner]

Yeah

[normal mist]

you gain energy back

[red schooner]

Big energy returns

[normal mist]

every time it ticks

[red schooner]

Which lets you hit more buttons

[rigid swallow]

Hey guys, trying to improve my rotation. What do you do in Fatebound Single target when you're not bursting. Maintening envenom, but how ? when do you cast another envenom ? spaming it ? trying to have 2 charges ? thanks for help

[dense cedar]

just spam them out

[red schooner]

Don't think about it, just hit buttons when you can hit buttons

Not even shitposting, don't over think it

[coral walrus]

shiv before deathmark or after?

[normal mist]

after

[silk sundial]

Before if fatebound

[austere basin]

my Sim is telling me to go full ham on crit and this is my stats without any buffs, no flask & no food,
is this normal?

the sim is patchwerk 1 target 5 min, optimal raid buffs

[storm forum]

Crit + mast good, we like it a lot.

[silk sundial]

I'm sitting around 20k crit for fatebound too. It all depends on your current gear. Trust the robot

[austere basin]

i mean yea im aware but once i have flask or any other crit buffs i have DR and am "losing" stats

[storm forum]

The first dr doesn't matter that much I think

The sims aren't treating it harshly for any spec I play

[main bridge]

do you want to do more damage or have your stats "feel right"

[austere basin]

i obviously want to do as much dps i can

[magic idol]

can somebody help me do macros i just boosted a rogue im a returning player i havnt played in 9 years

[main bridge]

ok then stop thinking about stats and trust the robot

[austere basin]

i was just wondering if its normal to have Dr stats

[storm forum]

My priest needs to get 30k haste to start devaluing it

[coral walrus]

In fatebound ST, i use vanish with everyt deathmark that i can line with?

[austere basin]

[polar bloom]

are groups asking for a particular minimum of dps for H Dimensius nowadays?

[magic idol]

can someone go in call and help me

[austere basin]

honestly best thing you can do if you have time is to watch Whispyr's rogue guide

[magic idol]

ik a bit of roation its just macros

[austere basin]

there are 2 macros that are (imo) important

thistly tea in shiv, and Cold blood in Kingsbane

[coral walrus]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[magic idol]

kk thx

[versed vault]

man the ST in keys makes me wanna cry

what are ppl averaging for overall in ara kara? and on a boss fight

[main bridge]

post some logs. you might be doin something wrong

[acoustic kite]

I got so annoyed with ara Kara as sin that I learned sub yesterday

[main bridge]

why?

[unreal tide]

ppl do high overall, and have weird expectations that they should be top fragging bosses too, the class just don't do it

[acoustic kite]

Playing in 14s the routes don’t let me restealth more than once or twice and it’s annoying

[unreal tide]

why is that a problem?

[royal lantern]

too quote whisp: "if you are #1 overall, you should shut up and not ask about buffs"

[royal lantern]

so you play the spec where it has a bigger negative impact....?

[acoustic kite]

Seems to play better 🤷‍♂️

[royal lantern]

i mean yeha, sub is stronger rn lol

that has nothing to do with stealth

complaining about restealths means you dont really know what you talk about, cus it doesnt matter

like, if you apperantely can "never stealth", it means you chainpull

chainpull means you allready have dots running, why complain lol, thats good

unless you spread dots to everything, which is wrong gameplay in the first place and you should not do that

[acoustic kite]

I didn’t say it hurt, just said it was annoying lol and sub plays better

[coral ibex]

more time in combat good

[royal lantern]

wait

combat = good

another reason why outlaw is a mistake

[hexed harbor]

can someone tell me how to log my own keys?

do i need to download an addon or something?

[unreal tide]

yes, and turn on a setting in game

[hexed harbor]

what addon is it

and what setting lmao

[versed vault]

i dont have any logs i keep track of haha

and ya i did have top overall but ya the chain pulls, dependiing on the timing is rough

i didnt get restealths, vanish was on cd most of time, its a pug its waht you expect

still hurts

and he would chain pull at odd times so my bleeds were falling off

i wanna try out outlaw again, just hopin to get a weapon to drop

[versed vault]

ya mine was also a 14

[main bridge]

well if you want to improve it's worth doing

[versed vault]

what add on do you use

[lean drum]

Should I macro shiv and thistle tea together or is that bad ?

[runic hinge]

You should

[main bridge]

if you mean me, you download the warcraftlogs client

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-warcraft-logs-6341

[weary spear]

Chain pulls absolutely hurt dps. You waste a ton of globals respreading ruptures for scent as they fall off and your garrote damage falls off a cliff

[main bridge]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[weary spear]

Whether or not it’s good for the timer is situational

[latent kernel]

This is just still wrong chainpulling is always good for the timer in all scenarios

When done correctly

[weary spear]

That command is from season 1 is it not

[main bridge]

i don't think anything has changed

[weary spear]

Bleed is more affected by it most certainly

[humble verge]

we love dh prog lads

[fresh kelp]

bleed also plays without a trace by default so its arguably even less vulnerable to bad chains

[weary spear]

If you have vanish charges yeah for sure

[latent kernel]

The other thing is that sure your garrote damage might be lower and your overall damage might be lower, but your total dps in the entire key (in and out of combat) will always be higher with chain pulling which is better for timing

[weary spear]

Depends how much quicker the dungeon is because of the chain pulls ig. Can’t say it will always be higher lol

[latent kernel]

It will always be higher if you consider total damage throughout a key because your uptime is higher and uptime is more important than garrote buff

[versed vault]

i ran a 16 with a god tank yesterday

tracked everyones cd

chain pulled when my vanish was up

was amazing

dps was pumpin

[latent kernel]

Great feeling

[weary spear]

So situational, talking in absolutes destroys the credibility of this but sure

[latent kernel]

It’s just not a situational thing, chain pulling is always more effective because dps have higher uptime, higher uptime means higher total damage in key

[native turret]

I feel like you are wrong, dont want to be wrong, and are grasping. Chain pulling is fine and you do not need to stealth every pack or need vanish charges to do well.

[hexed frost]

When are assa bugs going to be fixed @balmy condor

[weary spear]

Boys

[latent kernel]

I would recommend you look at top m+ rogue logs and you’ll see that they are in stealth approximately every 2 minutes because the entire dungeon is chain pulled

[unreal tide]

season 3 of midnight

[hexed frost]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[weary spear]

Everytime someone asks about chain pulling in here they get dumped on when chain pulling hurts dps lol

[native turret]

It doesnt hurt dps.

Stopping to restealth every pack hurts your damage much more.

[hexed frost]

I pushed to 2900 on my sub, but 25M st burst doesn't hit like a 45M aoe burst on assa

[weary spear]

Lol

[weary spear]

Again, it’s situational lmao

[latent kernel]

You are correct that chain pulling hurts your dps numbers in details which if that’s your goal then yes stop chain pulling

[weary spear]

Saying it’s bad in every scenario to stop for a restealth is just cope

[native turret]

ThAt CoMmAnD iS fRoM sEaSoN 1 iS iT nOt

Who cares about details overall.

[latent kernel]

If you are actually trying to time the key as efficiently as possible then yes it’s bad

[native turret]

Time the key.

[analog field]

Also wclogs overall will be higher when chainpulling. Details will not buy details count it in a wrong way.

[weary spear]

Restealths are more important going into a dangerous pull than just looking at timer btw

[latent kernel]

Which is why you time your vanish for these pulls…

[native turret]

...right

[hexed frost]

Obsessing over details is a very huntard behaviour

[weary spear]

Dumping on rogues asking about chain pulls is cringe when there’s definitely merit to it. Also fair to explain to them how it actually affects the key instead of just regurgitating what u see people write in here

Hence why I’m talking about the situations lmao

[latent kernel]

There is no merit, it’s been simmed, none of the top rogue m+ players do it, it’s worse

[weary spear]

This is incorrect

[latent kernel]

Which part

[weary spear]

Go watch kira explain how he pulls around it it’s simple

[versed vault]

at the end of the day

its the difference between pugging and having a group

[sullen topaz]

on loomithar mythic - how the fuck can we do decent dmg on the add thingis? it feels like im useless on em

[fresh kelp]

the same kira who said assa is down 15% due to bugs

[versed vault]

im pugging so the chain pulls are roug

rough

[analog field]

I don't understand the conversation. Mathematically it is a DPS loss coz you have down time (although in a vacuum for you could or could not be a DPS gain) but you are not losing 3m dmg you are losing 5garrotes and the other specs do much more than 5imp garrotes

[unreal tide]

you don't

[latent kernel]

And we’ve explained several times how it affects uptime lol

[native turret]

So this never happened and when everyone tells you that you're inexplicably wrong, you double down and call us cringe.

[analog field]

I only pug, never had a team and still I am ok with chaining. Ofc sometimes it would be better to not if noone has CDs etc but that is a wrong chainpull.

[calm ibex]

If im at critcap on fatebound. Is it still worth running the delve crit enchant on belt

[weary spear]

??

Brother

[sullen topaz]

what is the "critcap"?

Oo

[calm ibex]

41%

[weary spear]

It’s situational and I’m explaining the situations where it’s good

You guys talking in absolutes is cringe lol

When rogues come in here asking about it it’s good to actually explain how it affects damage breakdown and the key like I said

Not just “chain pulling is good 100% of the time in every situation”

[analog field]

What does in absolute mean? Something can have 1% chance of being correct. Does this make the 99% being absolute wrong?

[latent kernel]

You’re right dude it’s good and you should keep doing it!

[shy axle]

did you end up playing normal deathstalker on araz myth or fatebound for the ease of mark? guide keeps it open with both having its play

[weary spear]

This is what absolute means

It’s bad advice

[analog field]

If you think that absolute means 100% then you have no mathematical structure in your mind

Absolute means something that I would do everytime just because it has like 80%

[stable sinew]

@weary spear never worth arguing in here tbh brother. Waste of time

[latent kernel]

Can we just accept that this dude knows more than everyone in here and the sims and the top players

[coral ibex]

kira doesn't understand rogue

why would i care what he says

he's the reason people think assa is bugged for -15% aoe

[latent kernel]

Gotta be rage bait atp lol

[coral ibex]

guy's an idiot

[native turret]

Absolutely chain pull, because I do more damage when im in combat instead of waiting on a cooldown or stealth between packs when I am not in raid.

[weary spear]

It’s no big deal lol just offer better advice to people when they ask about it is all

[native turret]

You are just wrong. Its fine. Its cringe you keep arguing. Your advice is not better. It is just wrong.

[coral ibex]

no need

chain pulling is good

[weary spear]

LOL

[coral ibex]

you have 2 vanishes for a reason

if you waste them its a skill issue

[weary spear]

Hilarious behaviour

[latent kernel]

Gotta be rage bait I’m telling you

[analog field]

If this comment is directed to you I agree

[native turret]

Dont you think one person would agree with you by now if you had any merit?

Out of the twenty or so far

[coral ibex]

don't you belong in kira's chat

[native turret]

Like just one?

[coral ibex]

why are you here

[stable sinew]

Guys chaining or not chaining in the 12 keys doesn’t matter

[native turret]

I dont think he's even doing 12s dont give him that credit.

[coral ibex]

you should chain the entire dungeon in a 12 to get it over quickly

[red schooner]

Wait what are we yapping about?

[native turret]

Chain pulling is bad and you should constantly restealth according to bozo above.

[weary spear]

This is a dick riding echo chamber in here haha

[spice spire]

It is not

You have a means to chainpull and restealth

If you’re dragging 5% mob to next pull?

Bad

[red schooner]

Waiting on quake to make a comment about dick riding

ANY SECOND NOW

[native turret]

No one is riding dick, we just understand the spec we play.

[red schooner]

HE CAN'T HELP HIMSELF

[spice spire]

If you’re focusing on a Paladin in priory, kill it and move to next pack? Very good

[latent kernel]

Chain pulling is bad interrupts are optional

[spice spire]

More adds to keep scent up on more funnel to be had

[stable sinew]

See I don’t think that’s what he’s saying at all and the reason I told him not to argue is because people like you . Where he probably meant the shit tanks chaining when mobs are literally dying in the next 5 seconds which in fact would be a big dps increase if a restealth got off

[native turret]

Pushing blind is also optional

[spice spire]

Don’t see a downside

[spice spire]

It can be sure but that’s just bad

That’s not what we talk about when chainpulling

[stable sinew]

Yes I know it’s not

[spice spire]

As the “chainpulling is good” bit

[stable sinew]

But that’s probably what he meant

Reading is hard

[spice spire]

Clarifying what someone means

[analog field]

So don't use the term chainpull then

[red schooner]

This is why we have the !chainpull command

[native turret]

Vanish or play with better players if they are constantly doing that. Either way I would still make it work.

[red schooner]

!chainpull

[prisma monolith]

Explanation of why stealth benefits aren't as important as you might think:

• For starters, "Chain pulls" are NOT when the tank pulls a new pack with 1% hp remaining on the previous mobs. That is called "Bad Tanking", and it sucks for everyone in your party.
• Correct Chain pulls usually happen while the previous pack is still alive and not dangerous. This increases uptime on more targets, which is the biggest increase in DPS for the entire party. This is also the biggest reason why you see high key level players doing so much damage.
• Garrote is roughly 7-9% of people's damage in a key, most of which is already empowered/cleaved
• Most energy spreading will come from Rupture to maintain scent of blood, not garrote
• Without a Trace (+1 vanish charge) only grants roughly 2 additional casts across a whole dungeon, but does allow for holding vanish for large chain pulls which improves the quality of each vanish
• You can argue that it "feels bad", but numerically there is very little ground to stand on, the dps simply isn't there.

[spice spire]

Is ideally where you’d want to be then

[red schooner]

Thanks Moroes

What a guy

[spice spire]

Like I get the feels

But

[unreal tide]

yeah but that command is from season 1, didn't you listen to Kaseo

[stable sinew]

I’m sure you would man you sound like the goat rogue

[native turret]

Youre upset.

Hehe

[spice spire]

If it’s bad tanking just call it what it is

[analog field]

So your argument is that a guy uses a term where we use explicitly for something, but he uses it for something else and we tell him it's wrong but we are in the wrong cause this guy meant something else?

[spice spire]

Bad tanking

[native turret]

No profile picture rando is big mad.

[spice spire]

I would know I’m a bad tank

[stable sinew]

No one is mad at all

[pure moth]

Lol

[spice spire]

Restealths are the enemy and I will make sure they never happen

[stable sinew]

You’re just trying to hard to ragebait

[spice spire]

My tanks don’t let me restealth and I’ll repay it in kind

[red schooner]

Continuing the cycle

[native turret]

Yeah i was the one ragebaiting, calling everyone cringe and not clarifying myself.

[spice spire]

(This is a joke because I run with friends all the time, I wouldn’t do this to a pug rogue)

Ladies you’re all beautiful

But it’s football Szn and papa has to watch his men in tight pants grab each other

Also go to work

[stable sinew]

Like I told the guy arguing in here is pointless . A lot of people who yap in here are clueless for the most part. Some actually have some good yap

[spice spire]

Never had a good yap in my life

[stable sinew]

😘

[spice spire]

Anyway yeah In the future before harping on a guy (he never responded so idk the exact bit) clarify chain pulling vs bad tanking it solves a lot of unnecessary conflict

Yes it’s redundant, yes it’s tiring, but creating a good experience for a person makes them more open to faults and seeking help

Love you all bbgirls

[stable sinew]

Wdym why would you do that instead of just being a jackass who sucks at the game anyways

[spice spire]

I can do both

What the heck

[analog field]

100% ragebait, this guy thinks he knows the truth and insists on his opinions. The other guy told him bro you are wrong for reason No1 and reason no2

like really do you read chat?

[spice spire]

Let’s bring it in fr

[stable sinew]

Bro what are you even saying

[spice spire]

It’s fine we can move forward

[native turret]

Yeah, he was just wrong in every context and multiple people told him he was wrong.

[stable sinew]

Lmfao

[analog field]

use at least chatgpt and summarize the discussion so you don't end up being irrelevant

[native turret]

Welly is his alt guaranteed

Two discords

[stable sinew]

No not at all

[spice spire]

[stable sinew]

I’m just confused on this vovi fk is @‘ing me

[native turret]

You did it to me

What's the difference

You got upset your friends feelings got hurt because he is bad at the game

[stable sinew]

Because you were being a jackass about explaining it

Friend? Idek the guy

[native turret]

And now he stopped replying because it's your other account

[analog field]

He didn't seek for explanation bro wake up

you are out of context

This guy wanted to preach

not learn

[quaint nimbus]

Every day this class goes without bugfixes the community collectively loses another braincell

[stable sinew]

Vov I’ve seen what you asked in here please stop typing like you know things

[analog field]

stop being his lawyer and read the f'ing chat

[iron ivy]

What is your average envenom damage per cast on plexus sentinel? I am checking the top sin rogues on Mythic and they deal around 5-5.3m per cast, whereas I only deal about 3-3.5m per cast on average. What causes the difference? I am applying on 5 or more cp, doing same rotation, but still such a large difference. I think my uptime on envenom stacks is also okay-ish. I only have 12k crit, does that matter so much?

[native turret]

He wasn't even asking for help or why he could be doing something wrong he told all of us we were were wrong and cringe

And to go watch kira

[analog field]

I have seen what you have been arguing here so dude stop and go watch a guide

[native turret]

Didn't provide any empirical evidence

[stable sinew]

Lmfao what

[native turret]

Like something has got to give

[stable sinew]

Vov what’s the raiderio I’m curious bby

[analog field]

Lol

[native turret]

Trying to stalk players now

Weirdge

[stable sinew]

@native turret nah the chain argument has its bullshit arguments which I agree with you and him on both sides

[stable sinew]

Nah I’m just curious

[spice spire]

You mfs rn

[analog field]

I am 3.1 k

is it enough so I can talk

[stable sinew]

Oooooo

[analog field]

or I should have 4k?

[stable sinew]

Not really

[red schooner]

Link me a detailed breakdown of your entire warcraftlogs history before you talk to me

[analog field]

ok

[stable sinew]

But go off KING

[red schooner]

You know what, just give me your CV as well

And your social security number

[spice spire]

Please send me your ssn+mothers maiden name + those silly little numbers on the back of your credit card

[native turret]

I think i am ok not giving the bot who joined last month my raider.io actually.

I'll survive.

[analog field]

But no, you have to be 6k to answer a thing which we have a bot command too

[stable sinew]

Yall just make shit up😂

[drifting cloud]

you literally have your char linked in profile, why are we taking the highground

[stable sinew]

I’m just curious

[native turret]

Lmao

[humble verge]

HOOOOOLY LOGS ON DH

IM GONNA KMS

[native turret]

There is no high ground, we are meming

[coral ibex]

why are we engaging with a guy who has literally only ever posted during this dicussion

this welly guy is just someone's alt

[balmy condor]

What the fuck is going on in here

[coral ibex]

check the post history

[red schooner]

I dunno

[stable sinew]

Chain pull

[red schooner]

But there's shit-talking opportunities

And I'M FUCKING HERE FOR IT BOYS

[stable sinew]

I’m not at all. I just read half this chat for entertainment

[drifting cloud]

why does it have to be an alt lol, its just a guy that plays the game and doesnt post alot that happened to open the discord rn

[stable sinew]

Thanks Ryler

[unreal tide]

Scatter!

[stable sinew]

Cause half this place is brain rot

[coral ibex]

if you never post you have no reason to get involved

[stable sinew]

😂

[balmy condor]

Chain pull indeed, why is it that every time a restealth or a chain pull gets brought up this discord melts down

[analog field]

Whispyr link raiderio

you cannot express opinion

are you 4k?

[stable sinew]

Vov go back into hiding bro please

[drifting cloud]

dont post in #assassination before you have atleast 10k posts in #outlaw type vibe

[stable sinew]

I legit asked because I’m curious

[balmy condor]

What’s the question

[red schooner]

Isn't that just zacs daily post count?

[coral ibex]

it’s just strange to have no post history and then be extremely invested in this convo out of nowhere

[balmy condor]

That’s how engagement works man

[stable sinew]

I’ve talked in here before so I’m confused Mr bleed build Andy

[drifting cloud]

not really lol

[stable sinew]

I just don’t live my life in here

[drifting cloud]

especially at the start of a new patch

[spice spire]

Look at ryler

[humble verge]

INSANE LOGS

hooooooooly

[spice spire]

Mf never posts on here

[acoustic kite]

Rank 1 parse, my goat

[humble verge]

real

[native turret]

@humble verge goat

[drifting cloud]

that is false!

but I do very often go days without checking the channel

[balmy condor]

Ryler is too busy hate watching quake

[drifting cloud]

and just scroll past anything m+ related

because 15s can be timed with no keyboard so what the fuck am I optimizing for

[zenith prairie]

do we go wound poison for halls mini boss

[balmy condor]

In higher keys yes

[zenith prairie]

have to be cleave right

[balmy condor]

Like if he’s healing 3x, wounds probably good

[drifting cloud]

the guy takes forever to cast, you can just swap poison after your cds end, dont have to swap before you pull him

[zenith prairie]

spec wise

ah okay

thanks

[balmy condor]

You don’t have to swap builds to take wound

Its baseline

[zenith prairie]

well i meant not having deadly is brutal

so figured cleave had 2 poison slots and you just took out amp for the fight

[balmy condor]

You just lose caustic

[zenith prairie]

yeah okay ty

[unreal tide]

you def don't run wound for the key

[balmy condor]

Well yeah obviously not

[unreal tide]

stay bleed put wound on

[deep breach]

do you think we will ever be loved properly by blizz?

[red schooner]

Not until a blizz dev tucks me in and kisses me on the forehead

[deep breach]

just had a ret pala do 10m overall lol

[drifting cloud]

+5% doing work

[wise fiber]

can assasins compete with dps against paladins ?

[red schooner]

yeah

[deep breach]

i mean ST is depressing in m+ but overall dps is good

i went to learn sub, looked at the rotation once and never looked back

[acoustic kite]

Sub isn’t too bad, shindig has a guide on yt for it

[wise fiber]

struggled like crazy in +10 not sure why

[unreal tide]

have the log?

[wise fiber]

how to obtain it please

[unreal tide]

run the software and upload it to the site

[red schooner]

Could you take a screenshot of the damage breakdown? As in what abilities did how much damage etc

[normal mist]

inb4 garrote/rupture top

ct caustic low af

[novel star]

woah

[normal mist]

wait

[novel star]

where is crimson tempest

fix your talents

[normal mist]

thats even worse

[red schooner]

You're running hybrid

Don't do that. Swap to the bleed build.

[novel star]

incorrect

they’re running a raid build

[red schooner]

OH GOD

[novel star]

there’s no ct in there

[forest nacelle]

raid AoE build

[red schooner]

I just saw kingsbane

And

figured they'd be in hybrid

[wise fiber]

i think i woke everyone up T_T

[novel star]

get the bleed build from wowhead, you cannot run raid talents in keys

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/assassination-rogue

[red schooner]

CMQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYmZMzMmBAAAAAAYWmxsMDAAAAAAttMzMYmBzMzysMYMmZmZmZmZYzyYGgNzyADYJYbYCMsMA

Use that build and you'll see a big improvement

Wait no

Thats the wrong one shit

https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/rogue/assassination/deathstalker/DAOFVVFBRRUVQmJBQCQANVUVVVUIQUFiQUBEEFVVUCFA

But yeah, wowhead guide, import the bleed build

You'll see a performance jump

[normal mist]

if he presses the right keys

[red schooner]

One step at a time

[normal mist]

fair fair

atleast use the right build first

xD

[wise fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/excited-omg-argh-gif-12362964

[wise fiber]

so i dont need kingsbane ?

[old obsidian]

bro

play one bottom rotation

be better of 90% of players

[coral ibex]

i recommend reading the wowhead guide, you will learn a lot about the spec

[normal mist]

TLDR - Rupture/garrote/CT have prio over envenom unless you have DN buff, then you force a 7cp envenom

[coral ibex]

dont play raid builds in m+

[red schooner]

Nope!

[wise fiber]

so i got carried till +10 with my own keys ...

https://tenor.com/view/long-tears-gif-11087877242190144149

[coral ibex]

if you were playing this build in all those keys, then yea

basically

[oblique slate]

what should be the miss chance for astral antenna for simming

realistically speaking

[grim jay]

set it to like 20

[oblique slate]

thank you

[glossy light]

hey can someone help me with logs? We are 2 assa rogues in group and i feel like shit when i see the damage difference in some bosses

[main bridge]

link em

[unborn rain]

lets see paul allens logs

[main bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-american-psycho-business-card-gif-25561759

[west crown]

we can help if we can see the logs

[glossy light]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fQxptA8GDTrvX3Nw

[west crown]

First thing I see is you don't pre-envenom your cds

On pull

Not optimizing spatter damage for 3rd boss is the difference there

[glossy light]

do I envenom before sending DM + KB?

[normal mist]

oof

[golden loom]

what a boss

[glossy light]

it makes sense but i just didnt think about it

[normal mist]

It amazes me that you're asking this question while raiding mythic xD

[golden loom]

I thought getting the fatebound cdr bug was annoying, didnt realize getting the tier set not working at all bug is way worse 🙂 🙂 🙂

[unborn rain]

wat

[thorn thorn]

There are no bugs

[golden loom]

https://www.twitch.tv/imexile/clip/UninterestedSnappyLadiesSoonerLater-pEQ4ZSKcOPSkDtSu?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time me in real life

[thorn thorn]

It is functioning as normal at this point

[shy heron]

am I dumb? I don't get it

[west crown]

Fatebound tierset not working

[shy heron]

oh lol

[golden loom]

very good design

[shy heron]

the design is very human

[fallow canopy]

Worst boss they made in a while ngl

[thorn thorn]

[golden loom]

died in 5 pulls atleast

doesnt help that one pull was tierset bugging out and tilting me for a week

[fallow canopy]

[golden loom]

and then I died on kill pull 🙂

[thorn thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-it's-genuinely-over-trout-trout-dying-trout-it's-over-gif-4267717049801794134

[mental trout]

So how bad are the bugs for m+? Currently been running outlaw, but outside of phys comp doing 15+ keys seems not that pug friendly… between picking up sin or sub as a filler but hate sub rogue. Just haven’t deep dived to see if I’m screwing my self getting back into sin with these bugs, ive seen 10-15% dmg loss

[golden loom]

its like 4% for m+

[weary spear]

^

Its not bad at all

[silk merlin]

ehm on araz how the hell does some rogues get a shitload of caustic spatter damage while i do nothing? xd

[neat flame]

Didn’t whispyr say that caustic not working for funnel was more like 10%?

[thorn thorn]

Combined with the nerf fix for it double dipping it was 10%ish

The bugs alone are only around 4%

[golden loom]

ds in raid is kinda fried but m+ can take follow the blood to play around momentum not working, sanguine blades also double dips aura buffs so its a positive bug

like the sanguine blades stuff is like 2 or 3% positive bug

[red schooner]

Depends on how you're lining up your cooldowns and how long the adds live for in general

[neat flame]

Ah I misunderstood, got it

[silk merlin]

i try to pop mine like 1-2 sec before they spawn and still it does nothing untill later of the fight

[main bridge]

• no potion in opener
• vanish goes after kingsbane but before next finisher
• you should open with ambush to get DSM up
• lots of consecutive mutilates - for FB you need 5+ combo points all the time
• probably don't want to use poisoned knife ever
• when you're using KB with DM you should shiv immediately when the next one is available

[west crown]

Vanish doesn’t matter as long as it’s before first envenom

Shiv when next one is available doesn’t apply to any raid spec we play

[plucky patio]

!rik

[prisma monolith]

Rik Reverb Barrels (and similar spread cleave in raid)

• Not your problem.
• Assassination is the worst target swapping spec in the game, and we have no tools available to deal with the situation of priority spread cleave. Caustic can reach sometimes but similar to fire mage, the boss needs to be on top of the adds, causing caustic to often be out of range.
• If you're truly hellbent on swapping to barrels, hold your nearest darkest night and just slam a darkest night envenom into them and pray. If you're quick enough you can also pool combo points/energy and cast a rupture on a barrel to try and caustic off of them. This still will not do good barrel damage, again, the spec is doomed for it
• Another possible option would be talenting into Crimson Tempest by untalenting Bone Spike and Doomblade. This CAN TECHNICALLY provide a bit of barrel damage, but the spawns need to be immaculate and any difficult spawns will just result in no barrel damage again.
  With all that, the best advice we have for swapping barrels:
• Swap to Subtlety.

[keen spruce]

!richard

[prisma monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923750073499648/1356363029951938700/image.png?ex=67ec4b02&is=67eaf982&hm=0780c2bf8a3eda7b622f455daac5267c32f3074f79ab55d181e8de68faf2a64e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless

[rain coral]

guys i know this sound crazy, but is there a WA that can show when a shadowmelt could work? (meaning that you could stealth after it) the idea is, to use it only in pulls where you know you stealth after it

[west crown]

Don’t be next to mobs, don’t be in a boss fight

[balmy condor]

don't have a debuff on you

don't take damage

don't hit things

• flip a coin, heads it works tails it just magically fizzles for no apparent reason

[vale fox]

question. M+ Bleed Build --> if you have a DN stack coming in from last pack, how do you open on the new pack? do you envenom quick to get it out or do your full bleed rotation and then envenom?

[balmy condor]

you ambush, spread your ruptures, then caustic -> envenom for dn -> crimson tempest

[vale fox]

and garrote after?

or garrote to build CP for CT

ambush > spread your ruptures > then caustic -> envenom for dn > ?Garrote for 7cp? -> crimson tempest

something like that?

[balmy condor]

well your DN is a finisher

garrote is a generator

those doesn't interfere

you would just garrote like normal

[vale fox]

yea but if i envenom with DN then im at 0 cp so i need to garrote to get cp for CT right

[quiet oriole]

Ive been playing different spec and wanna confirm bleed build opener because my brain forgets things. We ambush>garrote>rupture>garrote>rupture--(until charge falls off?) Then CT shiv envenom?

[balmy condor]

that would overcap cp

your first rupture fills your cp

so you would ambush -> garrote, that gets you 6

rupture -> fills your cp
another rupture -> caps your scent of blood

[quiet oriole]

I mean yes main question do I spam garrote rupture until charge falls off or allows have it?

[balmy condor]

gar gar -> gets back to 6

what charge

[quiet oriole]

That spreads your bleeds

[balmy condor]

you get out at minimum 5 ruptures for your scent of blood, at maximum like 8-9

garrotes on everything

[quiet oriole]

Coming out of stealth

[balmy condor]

then ct/envenom

[lean drum]

can i macro thistle tea and shiv together ?

[balmy condor]

!macro

[prisma monolith]

With this you will not accidently use more than 1 charge of tea if youre spamming:

/cast Shiv 
/castsequence reset=5 Thistle Tea, null

Use this to cast cold blood with Kingsbane, which is optimal for Fatebound. The order does not matter, as Cold Blood is only consumed on Envenoms.

#showtooltip Kingsbane
/cast Cold Blood
/cast Kingsbane

Assassination uses no other macros aside from standard Deathmark+Potion+Racial+Trinket

[tawdry halo]

Indiscriminate carnage window? You rupture 5+ mobs that won’t die within 10 seconds for scent of blood stacks (can rupture other high health enemies too but 5 is enough), and you use garrotte as your cp generator until either the IC window is over, or all notable enemies have garrotte because improved garrotte hits like a brick shithouse

[mental trout]

in M+ aoe are we actually pooling for sang blades?

[tawdry halo]

No

You shouldn’t run out of energy with all the ruptures and garrottes up

[lean drum]

u gnna have so much energy u not gnna kno wat to do with it lol

[humble verge]

this feels so good, 6 vault options for wednesday

[mental trout]

hmm good to know, im kinda hype to start sending sin keys... outlaw pissing me off lol

[humble verge]

@balmy condor you guys gonna raid 2nite

oh nvm

[mental trout]

what do you guys think is the hardest thing about sin in M+, or the biggest mistakes you see people making that would boost dmg by a bit

[humble verge]

not pressing CT enough

[coral ibex]

not shivving

[balmy condor]

[mental trout]

as new mobs come in, bc other wise you should pretty much always have it rolling yea

?

[tawdry halo]

Not having caustic spatter up and not pressing shiv

[mental trout]

sin isnt as group dependent for dmg as outlaw is huh.

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Weakauras/Plater profiles:
Whispyr's Afenar Edit
Luxthos's Group
LE's Group
LE's Rogue Collection
Devlin's Group
Ceverion's Plater
Whispyr's Plater

[sand lichen]

how do you not proc tier set with the lucky coin in opener

did it first time this season

and legit no clue how I've managed to do that

[jagged niche]

Curious, new to the spec here, and wondering if I'm understanding chain pulling correct:

Lets say we're finishing up a pack, then tank goes pulling next packs of mobs,

And assuming no Vanish charge left, cannot restealth, meld cd, how do you apply your bleeds in this scenario?

Do you rupture one by one until you get lets say 3-5 ruptured, proceed with caustic?

[sand lichen]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P1JcktWgvBMpQhrC?fight=30&type=casts&source=12&view=timeline

[tawdry halo]

Yes

[jagged niche]

Gotcha, thanks!

[tawdry halo]

5+ mobs ruptures

For full scent of blood stacks

One garrotte up on your main target

Caustic > envenom slam

[jagged niche]

Rupture I have no issue spreading one by one, garrote is the tricky one bec of the cd, is it fine just having main target garroted?

[tawdry halo]

Yes

[jagged niche]

Oh okay haha

[maiden sierra]

oh you killed hunters, gz. my guild wiped at 16% today...

[jagged niche]

Nice

[tawdry halo]

Yeah normal garrotte is kinda whatever but good to have 1 up on main target

[maiden sierra]

god i hate the demonhunter fight

council fights are ass

[jagged niche]

Got it!! Thanks, cheers

[humble verge]

we had a 5% wipe

[mental trout]

so with that in the opener we are actually casting gar 3 times huh

[humble verge]

i was dead for like

a solid 70% damage

but i was expecting us to kill it today

[maiden sierra]

i thought we might have gotten it today

alas

i feel soo cooked on sub on that fight

[tawdry halo]

Minimum yes. You should keep using garotte as your CP generator until either the indiscriminate carnage window ends or all higher health mobs have garotte, whichever comes first

[maiden sierra]

maybe i should just play sin